The giant panda is no longer endangered. This, of course, is good news. But the model of conservation that worked to protect these iconic bears has failed to help the countless other threatened species on Earth, most of which are far less charismatic. Guest host Benji Jones talks with Jason Gilchrist, a wildlife ecologist. They discuss if there is another way we should approach conservation, what exactly we should be trying to save, and why.Host: Benji Jones (@BenjiSJones), Senior Environmental Reporter, VoxGuest: Jason Gilchrist (@jgilchrist13), ecologist and lecturer at Edinburgh Napier UniversityReferences: “We pulled pandas back from the brink of extinction. Meanwhile, the rest of nature collapsed.” by Benji Jones (Vox, 2023)

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