Recorded live at Wythe Hotel on December 5, 2017 as part of The Great Discontent Live series. Host Tina Essmaker talks to creative director Isabel Urbina Peña and illustrator Ping Zhu about their very different paths, working by hand, and following intuition into opportunity. And Comedian Matt Ruby performs!

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