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you know i think it's either for this picture

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of myself holding and i was like

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oh never see it again it was so beautiful

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and i only took about swine to that was

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the design of thing and i go and cheap of the by

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in law and then it disappeared like magic

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that's incredible that does i find

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in the handbags and the best the couch yeah

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yeahs and fiber network vibrant a coat

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pocket this this this is so much

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better a a

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family

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hotline have any female comedian

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posted this he was unlucky feet

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i felt professionally venice of her

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sure you know what you feet I am

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I Google that.

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I'm so sorry to tell you this Alison, but

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it might be that there's

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a least two I've done. I've done a weird

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phone. where am

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i

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the didn't like my shoes and had no other a

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says so i just didn't wear shoes

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you'd think there would be a know

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like it was the year on wiki the let

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me have a look now allison spittle

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the and see what comes out because it

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may just be you need to get those up the ranks

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six oh really

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you want to hear the first thing that comes up is you

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sitting on like a pink chair in a blast

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to us that polka dot jumpsuit

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you see i can't yeah there's also been

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here view in the ocean and feet around

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if a few here so i feel

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like if some guilty feminists to the

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like the same wanted to make out of his dreams

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come true could make

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an hour since spittle wiki see host

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she'd be it happy alison we

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shouldn't

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aim to be on what you see but i

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can optionally the see why if it's

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there i don't want to be on it

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my word for point of pedicures is is

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not going to be recognized and of asylum

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ah i lived there for my bike

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racing of would keep the what's your a

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and where i live in a spot or

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thrilled when i have some i identify i've ever

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talked about this on the podcast before maybe i did but

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i don't remember yeah

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i'd you know i was so thrilled because

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my racing was overall

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four stars nice fees nine

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five people said people said beautiful seats

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one person said i had nice feet this

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has happened actually works only one passes it i had

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nice but that's my overall racing maybe

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they're very high standard

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for people said i only have a safe

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seats oh no one that i had

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bought seeds but people

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said have ugly seats i don't think they were

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there before that's neat know what's that i

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had ugly seat last summer

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democrats in a separate sahrawis see

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his cigarettes a day or see how those

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people have a personal vendetta against

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you

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ramsey taken it to lucky say they

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can't hurt you assess my ah

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the defined by said you really think

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it's an enemy of here is that really micky

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the i i've genuinely and i've

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genuinely just come up with but i'm a feminist

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feminists book

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i use as a foot skin remover

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it's it's quite like head

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the and electrical sander except for see

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us alive i bought i bought

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the one for men instead of the women's

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once i thought it would do a better job

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it probably would

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true bias a star in woodside

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like

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they've gone and thought or will men will have

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proper boy by the and slight mind

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boggling

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that family but the affairs of

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other in seconds what about

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an hour

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out to be like italy think it'll

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like take off like a little bit of like or

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whether we would imply you've actually got

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loose skin on your feet he says the

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early eighties us so you will

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have been right to do that

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it would have waited to see like that parmesan

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saver over state just know lovely

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flakes okay yeah that's exactly

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it people who would like to preferences like

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feet would also like least a certain feet at

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says also and see

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has

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These filthy writing

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five. She's 622

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beautiful's 174. Nice's

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125vac, has 3 full bags of

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19 of Grey's that she is the

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scoring. So I'm

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a a feminist spot. Why

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you don't make the elephant supposed to profile.

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Could

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you just stop over to differ from this point? I'd

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give me say

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this, but give me five stops cuz

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I think he do. You think

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God telling you to give it five It

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was a joke at the beginning of the text.

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But

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now for this weekend, I'm going to go to school.

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out ago said if his father lucky that because it

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it added i need to put it to myself

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with my bare feet away

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scrub clearly because police said it's got

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some yeah it does have a feat already got two pictures

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so that people might think well as i really

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no common sci fi well the

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out of it i will do some purposive of

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our feet on instagram display

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i want move around

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i'm happy with us or five honestly about

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fast okay i was a fight or that what i

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paid because that's it was that bad luckily

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almost by area

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in any different si se is a very

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bad on us that but i don't want my

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feet are ugly saw like anyway

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we'll get we'll get a ring like ill be beautiful

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deborah will make a whole foot solicit

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the have a specific masuda ugly to stuff

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the on honestly to set it on if you are

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already me of my i'll i don't think i've got enemies

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but other subjects i have a

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say in don't go on but if you

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are from what he thinks steps find

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she's nice we like has she does her best

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she tries hard we should give

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her a high for his sake there

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are no no so

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i think the

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incredible of be offended by me tell you what

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you see in order to post with defeat started

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a put you off site that katachi this has been

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for would you feel

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are you sure he say you have the like

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unsubscribed isis i was

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upset

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i've ever made but either saboteurs but i might

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have your right myself i

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fired what about five me

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the have you read

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any one are you know the announcer

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no well cause as the it's

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a that's the

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feminist but i

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was delighted to read our

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guests book today and i guess

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it's a wonderful allies a raid

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that her response to her husband running

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for president of iceland one

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now i need to wash

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my hair every day look presentable the

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no that the thing about being

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like at a nanny hint of public life if

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i remember once i did

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an interview and a person had

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i think there are certain time and certain really respect

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them out of them great and of like that like the person

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is best for they mention i was aware

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makes up during the interview another

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site no sense of

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sense didn't think could come up you know the way

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that's how often i have you always

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would make upfront fee

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now i feel better it

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out going to be like no strike palaces

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missiles side say let's say

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you're healthy right they have to will make us into

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these

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to do not take not a word count that the have

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taken sir i do i hope you

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don't have the the same places are you

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see that about only the pacific load

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my sounded so much i think

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yeah i went on

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the television in a pajama top the didn't

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really look like a pajama top a

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, telly didn't look like

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a rat look like a shot saw

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that only way i would i

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honestly would never have thought going on

10:04

tv without full they covered everything but

10:06

there were times when i tested it but if i love her i wear

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my glasses cause that i think they're like a say

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sealed if i saw them

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they're beautiful as i say siri they see

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for the lowest healthy they if asses so

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yes i fancy feel that is one

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good thing to them out the something is our standards

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are low effort you know how

10:24

hot mess it said that the lower i

10:26

think that's think that's thing you're

10:28

lucky i'm here i'm a feminist

10:31

the of existence it is amazing

10:33

feminist an audio books

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that got me some cases and so

10:37

that and fooling pay and

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of

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with them and everything that is too

10:42

much for me and i went straight into an ice cream september

10:44

and i paid for that could handle the

10:47

truth like i

10:49

love feminism i love learning about

10:51

feminism but sometimes it's very

10:53

hard and i just want to stop and

10:55

and ian ice cream associate

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about it about am absolutely

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sure feminists sometimes

11:03

they'd ice cream because the patriarchy

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have both

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genuinely genuinely i can't

11:10

i can't hear about i

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he did pick that's just reaching for abetted

11:14

sorry i really like this is that it's

11:16

us or do i feel like it would be better if the ice

11:19

cream was by two women

11:22

one of the about beneficiaries i

11:24

don't think he should be reaching for two men a lot

11:26

of has a better jerry's a very nice man as i get

11:28

aboard the the causes of they didn't

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think they do some soul the time like they said in

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australia he couldn't

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have to skip said the same ice cream

11:36

until they was equal marriage

11:39

man i'm not anti

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gay marriage

11:42

benji australians were furious

11:44

with benji furious because they'd go have two skips a chocolate

11:47

you can't you can only have scuba

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chocolate scuba

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it says fatal strawberry or one

11:52

of the ben and jerry's flavors like in

11:54

it's so for wax

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or whatever they're called so but what happens

11:59

now that my the paper every time i remember

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called the

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the thing and the a data

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base what they were like no

12:06

you can't have that and a

12:08

homophobic people got very angry

12:10

as of we're not supporting manager is anymore they

12:12

please don't ah , i

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think pleasure is a great i think if you are going to support

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to mail ice cream makers ben and jerry's

12:19

of the one sport you are

12:21

nazis you are find a bench

12:23

amina and jerry's with a g what

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about cn and jerry's but cherries with a

12:27

j like jerry from success and janitors

12:31

very we need to get sorry hello and

12:33

then let's see him as the say who is it said

12:35

sorry that we are and jennifer anniston

12:38

to team up on an ice cream the order

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to promote nine

12:42

jennifer lopez and thirty nine eleven the

12:45

beautiful you know on ben and jerry's

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so progressive if we went

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to that with these a we said you

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need a flavor cool jenna jerry the dead so

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for us and we wanted what he's done it in oversight

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it's an excellent let's put in a what

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what ingredients to do have like a

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then fears that , earth

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legit legit kid

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ice skating that's the surface of

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yeah

13:10

the the brass free flow could represent

13:12

the blood of the patriarchy that kind of thing

13:15

oh deborah talking about the bloody to patriarch in

13:17

eaton and i i went to

13:19

do a wonderful gig for bloody good period

13:21

a charity a and they had

13:24

some waffles there were available

13:27

that the waffles were shaped like penises

13:29

some designers the without covert

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a bad rap racer i

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won't i i hate the penis i didn't

13:36

care much for the vagina they are

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fed sprinkles that of the data analysis

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site to sensitive us we are

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not gonna do better than knots and

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the best part of

13:46

kansas

13:52

we're premiering a bit since my as the

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the bottom shelf for this process

13:58

like the telephone still love him

14:00

eliza reed talking

14:03

, about on the

14:05

job guilty

14:08

feminist the broadcast which reed

14:10

no because his twenty first century feminists an epoxy

14:12

didn't securities which undermine them under

14:14

slept with me that us as fiddling with hook about getting up

14:17

at the jobless a day

14:18

allison in our guests yes he

14:20

to introduce has had

14:22

to get over the job of being says study of iceland

14:25

because her husband became president but iceland

14:27

is the best country in the world by

14:29

all the metrics that they do to

14:32

live as a woman says host

14:34

a yellow of is hard the

14:36

job where you live

14:38

somebody was that of course you could do something

14:40

with that opportunity because you have a platform

14:42

you have access to funds and he can direct

14:45

things so i have various

14:47

to see has she's got no but

14:49

that job because you just written an excellent books

14:51

that i have had the privilege to pre read

14:54

up about iceland about

14:56

she has of was raised been amazing stadium

15:00

she added here

15:02

all right to canada i wanna say she was

15:04

canadian and that i saw identify

15:06

she has advised the she might say obama

15:09

slavic now so i was gonna say

15:11

canadian and then eyes when border

15:13

basic canadian and i realize what i said and i

15:15

was like like

15:18

that south will just push on

15:21

i know me know my to see them as mispronounced

15:24

and stuff that i i

15:26

i i thought will blame

15:28

canadians blame to the to

15:30

get it out anyway see

15:33

came from good idea as head when you

15:35

set up excellent ah

15:39

and ah suggests i

15:41

various to to hear how she's got no

15:43

but that job because that's a job that such as in

15:45

some ways is she a summer job as well she's an incredible

15:48

rises and that job with

15:50

that have imposed upon hypotheticals it's

15:52

hypotheticals great opportunity so i'm interested i'm interested

15:54

about that and iceland i also

15:56

examine his of the job we just gotta get on

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a

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yeah it is sometimes it can be it's

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i'm sensitive the labor intensive a citizen

16:04

i'm are other jobs yes

16:07

, it's quite tiring i'm

16:09

tired tephra i would like

16:12

like say devices other than unhappily

16:14

so was some said the i would have

16:16

sent her life so as a civil

16:18

the like yeah first

16:20

lady right

16:22

ladies night i don't know that's a

16:24

terrible person will

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, let's see what you mean i do see what you mean

16:29

where the job is imposed upon you don't necessarily

16:32

want this ah

16:34

absolutely get that that matter your gender

16:36

if your spouse becomes something and then

16:38

that hi police imposed upon you it's very

16:41

yeah you could love that you could hate to even make something

16:43

of that you could not want it you could be like not and

16:45

get our lives stuff you can't be that if

16:48

i could either the you i guess i'm that

16:50

but i don't want that so i'm very

16:52

interested to see how eliza

16:54

has taken roll i know

16:56

some of it because she's written a book

16:59

yeah but because like because

17:01

like the hide know see you know

17:04

i the other week i was trying to get and

17:06

email of someone an knew i met them

17:08

with their boyfriend and i know their boyfriend

17:10

better so i remembered his i but couldn't quite

17:12

remember her name the certain

17:14

similar that movie that lady we met

17:17

and i didn't wanna say he's this person's

17:19

boyfriend for the she

17:21

smoke find they said was the

17:23

only other thing i could like fatal

17:26

for the lately you know that events

17:28

he said oh you mean differences but girlfriend

17:30

know that's that's that's a lie the

17:32

i knew it makes you feel they pay check

17:34

really silly yes and when i say

17:37

oh his wife

17:39

the person i'm super human

17:41

being and her own rights

17:44

ah yeah exactly

17:46

but she's

17:47

the that person's death threats and i'm sorry

17:49

have answered yes is a

17:51

good know about it that's how you know

17:53

how that's how you can identify her i said exhibiting

17:56

with that but i see why you want

17:58

to avoid it that

18:01

happy the ever been

18:03

in a position

18:05

when you've had a job to do that you just have to get

18:07

on with few

18:09

oh i was to say the waitress

18:12

in a wedding company and the

18:14

one day i was bringing over champagne

18:17

glasses to a bride and groom and

18:19

i smash out of the crystal champagne glasses

18:21

in the middle of the the dad source

18:23

and then to say cry an affair

18:26

and they did a whip around to make sure that i didn't get

18:28

sacked but i still that sector thirty work

18:30

that day than a try things can hang

18:33

with the jazz you , they say

18:35

like mortally wounded than a minute

18:37

this with internet waiting for wanna think

18:39

about she was really cool about

18:41

answers really makes you think if your bride

18:44

a fan of on a economy so the

18:46

private

18:47

you know and that you know things

18:49

happen

18:51

then i gave her a great opportunity

18:53

to data and he was gray think when she

18:55

sees you on television she knows who you are

18:57

to seek out of that's the weights as

18:59

that my my my

19:02

my , take an island

19:04

doses illnesses such i would

19:06

open also open i

19:09

remember i spent and because they sewed

19:11

love actually on dvd in the toilet

19:14

at the route or toilets but the want to make

19:16

it past that had a mini dvd player

19:18

of love actually loves the side midair

19:21

cry and look that marcin the puts the

19:24

bride his put a lot of thought into our wedding what's

19:26

brilliant guns the paucity like what

19:28

if we made it may not say what we have love actually

19:30

plan will cook but of the

19:32

after her wedding says she imagined her wedding

19:35

two thousand times that's all i could tell you and at no

19:37

point did she matter

19:39

nothing the champagne i know

19:41

focus so i reckon see remember

19:43

seeing a record you know when she sees

19:45

you but now even

19:47

our profile of to very well she

19:49

the replay it's given her next story

19:51

it's like and alison spittle was a waitress

19:54

at our wedding and funny read

19:56

some story mash some

19:58

kind of the same you didn't me come on there

20:01

that then that would see the love actually story

20:03

it would have been i would have been hired an appointed a

20:05

excess mostly where i hid on

20:08

that he had of macedon meet you as you as

20:11

or bus and his instance if richard curtis

20:13

is listening the bridge should we love yeah

20:16

the for fisher would love to be in one of your movies

20:18

if you do we get our them wrong comedy time said

20:20

she would like her me to be in a poor

20:23

slaves these just suggestions

20:25

yeah thoughts in the portaloo

20:28

now boxy could be playing automated dvd

20:30

player and so

20:32

what you could do is reference one a few movies at another

20:34

movie you already did that

20:35

not actually because you've

20:37

had the i love is all around

20:39

song that son

20:42

as christmas is all around us so you

20:44

right into the idea is what the say

20:46

oh yeah this isn't a portfolio center love

20:48

this all around us as a the smell of raw

20:51

sewage is all around yes it's a consistent

20:54

the sun consistent easier to flow more

20:56

and more us so we don't quit his job for him he

20:58

this he this the oppressive i

21:01

can i'm can i'm i'm

21:03

not love but we are we

21:05

doing you've doing you've griffey with a lot of activism

21:07

and the incredible what the it and he your

21:10

name

21:10

you need us to just fill in those gaps

21:13

a have us a had first

21:15

lady position

21:16

lock your boyfriend have had

21:18

a job will be that guy and

21:21

then you feel a bit plus one is she feel

21:23

a bit like oh now i gotta make an impression

21:25

and i'm i'm the plus one

21:28

maybe the nearest to that would be going

21:30

to zero with him and of with

21:32

his family to family or maison

21:35

but like yeah i've definitely

21:37

because your the plus one you're not

21:39

the main more narrow didn't how the person that

21:41

side of main point now

21:46

want a , nirvana

21:48

or whatever you know that i

21:50

love of caesar's i'm of heroes

21:52

as much as and of weddings and

21:54

they don't know yeah it's there's a

21:57

yeah springer on funerals the fair because

21:59

you have to wait what the irish concept

22:01

of the could pick up afterwards

22:05

yeah well i think

22:08

i ireland's attitudes towards this

22:10

is really quite healthy and

22:12

and i'm the guy i

22:14

remember so i summon

22:16

the closely to died and he had so many

22:18

family members that you know the way that

22:20

you get out the sake someone fan

22:23

no i mean i could sit the front row with

22:26

the main members of the family were so fast

22:28

that it actually went out into the car packed the second

22:30

off your hands shaking into power pack and and

22:32

moved your way and to death actual value

22:34

it senses at a funeral

22:38

when i can and does this is our

22:40

on short irish thing

22:42

yeah it's the removal as carbs aside the

22:44

day before to see a nerve cells and huge

22:46

effect the hand of the you

22:48

never do that you sick the hand of their family members

22:51

we did often the removal i've never heard of it

22:53

anyway

22:54

may and is the thing where you have to stay the

22:56

night with the saw the body is kept in

22:58

the house today before and

23:01

if you're really close to that that person he

23:03

is you have a sleepover with the coffin

23:05

now this is like you know when he would i

23:07

do

23:08

the together to make history dublin which we

23:10

are doing say

23:12

that you prefer not to think he cites

23:14

we'll say to the holidays as lol physicists

23:16

i'm mystified and i never know with us

23:19

you and they have one tbr and

23:21

you'll have a kid is all out of that

23:23

though or whether it's

23:25

just funny because i don't know the irish

23:27

way but this also not like

23:29

that to sleep over we

23:31

put with the

23:33

that body the night before with the go to

23:35

the year

23:37

if it's gonna keep it up to the episode

23:39

you had a couple

23:41

he he went on what am i

23:44

seeing all the they send him to hit his

23:46

family i do the washing up

23:48

i i i rooted go in and

23:50

, really volunteer myself rather menial

23:53

jobs and i love it i once once

23:55

actually my , and

23:57

suddenly they're so supportive of me and my thread

24:00

so lovely and that

24:02

they would do to sing in donegal

24:05

different traditions in different parts of ireland

24:08

but there was this time where they had like

24:10

all the such a talent so is my my

24:12

boyfriends grants and ever on a cell

24:14

musical in their family that someone was

24:16

due to some someone else clinics are

24:18

you rolled out of hand and so

24:21

right i i have ever

24:24

heard oh they asked

24:26

me to do with his old

24:28

sense so i have to do

24:30

a snag some ,

24:32

of of adolescence

24:35

and as is a really lovely really

24:38

lovely good for you for most

24:40

of my eyes instead of think is themselves

24:42

to didn't involve themselves are so the i didn't

24:45

want it is desperately

24:47

go for materials yeah because you grow and

24:50

jobs at a funeral that's not some know

24:52

i pray it material no

24:54

irish to this is that is you know

24:58

what are you have you ever felt like a plus one

25:01

well i always worry that thomas says gentleman

25:04

and that when we do the guilt feminists other

25:06

people go oh and thompson the ski

25:09

so i don't know

25:11

that i have seen

25:13

that i might some of the

25:15

things i read the book i'm not be interested because

25:19

i think that the first lady old

25:21

of us gentlemen

25:22

the person that a spouse i

25:24

guess i'll probably

25:27

the have a lot of free rein people

25:30

kind of grateful for what they do that not elected

25:32

to the not beholden i think it might be

25:34

secretly a great job though i'm

25:36

very excited to be our guest today

25:47

i guess today is a journalist editor

25:49

and cofounder of the annual iceland

25:51

writers' retreat into it's sixteen

25:54

she became first lady of iceland to the not

25:56

capacity she has been actively promoting the

25:59

under a quarter the entrepreneurship

26:02

the innovation tourism and sustainability

26:04

and the country's writers and which

26:06

literary heritage her

26:09

upcoming book the cold

26:11

the secrets of the sprecher iceland

26:14

of extraordinary women

26:16

how they changed the world please

26:18

welcome to the guilty favorite podcast alive

26:25

so allies i was so

26:27

happy to have you on the show iceland

26:30

is

26:31

thought to be by all of the metrics

26:34

the best place the world for women to live is that true

26:37

that's what people say we've talked

26:39

the world economic forum's global gender gap index

26:41

for the past dozen years

26:44

now but i don't think you need a single person

26:46

in iceland she says that that means that

26:48

we have achieved gender equality or

26:50

are there were just the closest

26:52

but we're still a ways away i mean

26:54

that makes sense if , some

26:57

kind of nevada mountains

27:00

still

27:01

there is still good you're still

27:03

a model for us allison

27:05

and allison are from administration

27:07

office from all to be considered united kingdom

27:10

soon so we're probably looking

27:12

to iceland or some kind of icon

27:15

or iconic the place for women is

27:17

that right allison an isolated that

27:19

and the stars and so are like it's are nicer

27:21

place to live for women if he's never hot bath

27:25

like it annually i

27:27

live in london and i have no bass and

27:29

i it's the biggest thing that biggest miss in

27:31

life and miss feel the my life of the a lot better if

27:33

i access to lay in and some hot water

27:37

well i said , might

27:39

as well okay

27:42

the other people pushing the boundaries

27:45

of a friendship that that not like

27:47

that

27:48

in fact i'd said that he was a rumble

27:50

also i put a candle other

27:52

put some nice bubble bath in there for you

27:55

then i love rounds of get a set

27:57

it up with a robot every six hours

28:00

eliza is a busy

28:02

woman she's not here to fantasize

28:04

about our both times ah

28:06

assistant so what so what

28:08

realize that and say i'm

28:10

fascinated by the time of the book i've

28:13

had the privilege and pleasure of

28:15

having a sneak peek because it's not out yet

28:18

and so i've been since one of those dunno

28:20

double one so i've i've looked through

28:22

it sense and

28:23

read some of it is so interesting i

28:25

could see each other listeners what the

28:27

secrets of the sprecher me

28:30

absolutely so struck out

28:32

is a very nice old

28:34

and obscure the are

28:42

oh how i wanted to pay for

28:44

they evoke like that danish

28:46

were hit care that we kind of introduce that nice

28:48

coziness i wanted to introduce english readers

28:50

to an icelandic word that

28:52

we didn't have english and and found this word

28:54

sprecher any women and

28:56

it was pointed out to me afterwards which i think

28:58

is a good thing that's if you think in english

29:01

and that either this is an eye for that now to

29:03

describe only women and if you think

29:05

of the english language and are trying to think

29:08

of words and have an english to describe

29:10

only within there are too many

29:12

that are positives i

29:14

, can't think of any and

29:16

i just the fact that this where does this and does saw

29:18

the us i think so that gender politics

29:22

that is so i've never never

29:24

crossed my mind

29:25

i think in english we tend to do

29:27

we tend to add a little twist to the end of

29:29

a word to make it somehow to minutes us so

29:32

we have what comedian you in august medians

29:35

but then some people say your it's bdnf

29:38

out at for the likes of your lawyer

29:43

it's like it's little it's a cute

29:45

sea ending word to

29:47

say comedian but

29:50

no it's going to take you that seriously so let's make

29:52

it sound cute adorable and

29:54

so i really like the

29:56

fact that fact there

29:59

is this what in

30:01

clam dig that it's like remarkable

30:03

women is there an equivalent for remarkable

30:06

man alive so that's what i need to no no

30:08

not that i'm aware of i confess i'm

30:10

born and raised in

30:11

that so icelandic is not my first

30:13

language so it's possible

30:15

but not but not i'm aware of not

30:19

saying the settee way they're not famous

30:21

know this word struck i wasn't famous

30:24

either an icelandic it's an old word that i'm

30:26

tina fey to be you to bring back

30:28

against the vocabulary for anything you know

30:30

in english to be like to absorb a lot of work so

30:33

iceland again english word

30:35

guys her and and

30:37

preserve so i feel if we should also give

30:39

english speaker

30:41

that night and rocker award

30:43

for remarkable women i love this yeah

30:45

better than let this like loading was

30:48

a word that exists he will try to make happen

30:51

the ninety of them thank god still

30:53

it's not a the likes of have no matter

30:55

i had a lot i had

30:57

forgotten about that it which means our

30:59

allies or if you what rounded britain in the nineties

31:02

i don't if you know this web but as but as for

31:05

a woman who run command under the table

31:08

then when she's down there she

31:10

might as well that was that yes

31:12

the ib that's the sort the official definition of

31:14

just made that up but it's face it the is it

31:17

was very true the word that resonates

31:19

a trigger it might lead s yes but again it's

31:21

a bit like lawyer it's it's like she's alive but

31:23

him out of the sudoku the mini skirts

31:26

and see how the league well like you know

31:28

the type of lawyer right

31:29

the me would be like maybe a longer

31:32

wait as the sad that yes exactly

31:35

and it's seen as it's said those words as you said

31:37

like lawyer and rider that the main normal

31:39

words what about and as about female versions

31:41

of the abnormal about

31:44

added i'm usually words

31:46

there's very few of those was the other way

31:48

browns

31:49

the only one i can think of his widow and widow

31:51

or said the widow is the

31:53

the female and the the were and

31:55

that's because a woman being

31:58

widows what's that

32:00

much bigger problem because

32:02

women were not allowed to earn their money and my

32:04

owned by men so it's

32:06

not it's not the great one of

32:08

the have the the sets ridership balls

32:11

i'm loving have passed her cell phone just gonna make

32:13

them faces totally got wow i

32:16

didn't

32:18

and what were your impressions of our celebrity got

32:20

that was it the end up there with gender equality

32:22

and these other sorts for policies were on the agenda

32:26

well i moved as in two thousand

32:28

and three and between

32:30

living and growing up in canada end

32:34

living in iceland i spent several years in the

32:36

uk actually in in the

32:38

prime ladette ah our

32:42

lives wasn't lives wasn't live you

32:45

went to oxford didn't you why

32:47

did he i hope and nice money

32:49

to two thousand and three we were together

32:54

how will it will have to take it offline and

32:57

habit of fish got

32:59

a

32:59

what are your it's that's nice but i didn't know we were

33:01

there together i was a house manchester and

33:04

not hancock was there with us

33:06

down pay allies that's enough

33:08

about had put his

33:10

you've heard of and know okay so

33:12

he's not famous outside the uk for because

33:15

affairs or he said he would be far

33:17

has he was out how

33:19

secretary

33:21

how about the peak lock down

33:23

and covert and he

33:25

had an affair he had the affair

33:28

with somebody who

33:30

he was at oxford with

33:33

who now was working as

33:35

a special advisory for their nobody

33:36

the why she was a deposition our

33:38

could really figured out and they

33:40

got caught on caught camera that somebody

33:43

set up at the back of ellie and whites get rid of

33:45

him and the reason he

33:47

went down was not because he had an affair but because

33:50

the camera that caught them kissing showed that they

33:52

will breaking the locked down rule

33:54

by getting too close i mean say

33:56

really what's your clothes for type of the tanks for

33:58

each other's mouths i think you can cause it that

34:00

way

34:01

the as easy to cheaters bums

34:03

you know that it's break companies have do not

34:05

pass to me is that it makes the

34:07

news that they'd make the

34:09

are you going about my name's these are develop

34:11

if you did the we were there

34:14

with him and

34:14

for i don't remember hit me with he was involved in

34:17

it a student radio say

34:18

that that have this massive scandal because

34:21

since they did some very touchy things the cause

34:23

of think it's our government does i don't know that

34:25

might have cooked it any of them to be fair spots

34:27

in him far as a bat the cops to

34:30

shut down by the radio so receipts

34:32

anyway at least

34:35

my college with behind the test though that's

34:39

a , nice

34:42

well you know so i was on the roster for

34:44

one year because i see a master's degree and

34:46

i feel little bit because i've seen as

34:48

nice which was which ,

34:50

and and it was very international that

34:52

i i said moved to you the

34:55

after i graduated from oxford and

34:57

then i was working for company i lived in

34:59

the in fact the in portsmouth for awhile

35:01

and then i lived in

35:03

david koch wow by himself

35:05

and he you've been everywhere

35:08

this is as i have read about adventure

35:10

i ice

35:12

good offensive from for basingstoke going

35:15

going from oxford basingstoke no

35:17

just like to basingstoke which i'm sure isn't

35:19

that wonderful place it

35:21

it did you for keeping event roth ira you

35:24

know

35:25

okay what about him no different

35:27

parts of the uk and from when i was at

35:29

oxford but it was the timing of when it's

35:31

heat magazine was launched side

35:33

is to turn it into the seats and have

35:35

recently and ah big

35:37

brother was launched for the first

35:40

time and then either and the office

35:42

so you know use and basics of also

35:44

have a little round about in the way that's

35:47

fun the officers in

35:49

flower flower flower

35:51

throwing so throwing felt like it was

35:53

quite similar in some sense as i would

35:55

watch the office and then i would the out

35:57

and of like i'd been working also in

35:59

city the and the i'm amanda effects

36:01

and then i remember binge

36:04

watching east enders one weekends

36:06

why because i thought you know everybody would talk about

36:08

and i had no idea you know who mel

36:10

was and who fill was and all these so i

36:13

kind of just made myself into

36:15

it's i could have a have a conversation i

36:17

feel that you're in britain during the pinnacle

36:20

written a culturally and

36:22

that either nothing it's the

36:24

i think if you know the psyche of

36:26

this country does that i see and nothing

36:28

credible he has he has his teeth magazine

36:31

by the way if you're young and you don't know what was

36:33

it was a poisonous magazine where they

36:35

would find celebrities like on the beach

36:37

take a pats picture of them and then put

36:40

a red ring around the satellites are

36:42

like guys look this celebrity

36:45

who you think his go

36:48

beyond his

36:48

the human actually has this

36:51

tiny patches cellulite and they would say

36:53

would pillory when i would you would never

36:55

felt so good he

36:56

how would get pie everyone's

36:58

eyes just absolutely awful

37:00

and i i'm gonna go out on a limb

37:02

and say even some of the biggest the such the

37:04

city you can

37:05

would go would if you go somebody sure heat would go

37:07

that's a bit far

37:08

even appraisers right or left this weather

37:10

lady and her audacity to sweat

37:12

for her clothes a lot of the he

37:15

, and they have a of a thing that

37:19

that dare see

37:21

how that we are thousands of

37:23

are legit politics said like

37:25

as you know as well like either about

37:27

about either that this is the they sit

37:29

at they sit as well the you do at least we got

37:32

our to it because you asked me you know if it was different

37:34

but when it isn't about what the for about go ahead

37:36

this the go period of uk

37:39

which ah i love living

37:41

in the uk and there's lots of wonderful things

37:43

about it but i also am at

37:45

navy when it comes to gender hardy i saw

37:48

things even more starkly i think them what i'm used

37:50

to and if i

37:52

went last often in okay the to the secretary

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39:06

how is it can i ask

39:08

be the first lady because that whole

39:11

idea of that feels

39:13

like problematic for feminist and feminist

39:16

and read the all schools that you wrote

39:18

to the york times where you said i'm

39:20

not my husband's handbag though

39:22

i'm not this

39:23

last one and i think the role of first

39:26

lady is like oh you're

39:28

the first lady sat around to be a lady

39:30

makes him look like ah

39:33

a loving man who is human

39:35

like it's it's human eyes the leader for

39:38

us oh problems limit it

39:40

has agreed to live with him he

39:42

must be a real person and

39:45

it is good because the not elected

39:47

so

39:48

henry considered family and different initiatives

39:51

to take that i probably won't elected why you take

39:53

a less then obviously

39:55

not a fan

39:56

the of the last saturday

39:58

less it's writer or

40:00

her husband but she got pilloried

40:02

not taken off or are you worried about that

40:04

to exhaust changing lives that role

40:06

i think is laden with okay

40:09

was i think a lot of the prime minister's

40:12

the wives or husbands

40:15

in the united kingdom let us sort of expected

40:17

to get up with a job i could ever see that

40:19

you never hear from them like

40:22

you know i've heard the most famous one of recent

40:25

times was cherie blair but she was

40:27

a fake a law the reporting what

40:29

high profile but she wasn't both

40:31

standing near her husband can you

40:33

tell us about the birds and of that

40:35

role as the advantages that role if any

40:37

i mean absolutely is he said there's there's a lot

40:40

of expectations but because

40:42

there is no handbook or rulebook

40:44

you can also kind of mold at the way that you wanted

40:46

to be and give

40:48

you a very quick live a

40:51

lesson in in know the

40:53

governance and case listeners are completely

40:55

familiar with ah iceland

40:57

does have a president but it's a

40:59

it's a fair the non political role for the president

41:02

of open doesn't belong to a political party of

41:04

though the positions will often so there is

41:06

a prime minister here who's the head of government who

41:09

has most of the political power

41:11

represents a political party so

41:14

our prime minister hear her husband minister

41:16

get it isn't as visible

41:18

the when my husband who is an academic

41:21

background became elected president at

41:23

it was all very sudden

41:25

it really happened in a period of about

41:27

six weeks to be honest so

41:30

the events and of fun having

41:32

a that in their everyday lives to him being elected

41:34

the head of state and

41:37

it was very strange all of sudden to be moved

41:39

from being the like to read who worked

41:41

for freedom struggle as the brunt of reading retreat

41:43

for all of a sudden five guineas

41:46

wife and and for on the kind

41:48

of losing my own name and my own

41:50

identity and you became

41:52

well known because of who you are married to

41:54

a rather than who you were the person and

41:57

oh obama also for

42:00

that to have this opportunity to

42:02

be able to serve to the other speak up and i

42:04

knew that i would have a thing apart from the in

42:06

a hard thing to say if a half

42:08

of to say that people would listen the

42:11

a media of follow

42:13

i think by nature and so when it first

42:15

can if this role i thought well what am i like

42:17

to do am i am i allowed to talk about sent mls

42:20

of her gender equality because they knew how to perform

42:22

because of in may have been achieved and is

42:24

too much irony and that as it's

42:30

i wonder if if there's no handbook and there's

42:32

no rule book that it should be on the seat this

42:34

the with a box and is a way

42:36

that i want to really is to kind of despite

42:39

any expectations for stereotypes

42:41

about what the females

42:43

status of a male head of state

42:46

should be doing and as as

42:48

i mentioned in this author in new york times

42:50

she can i the first i'm a larger

42:52

operating the new york times and you know and i just

42:55

thought i would tell anybody i'll just write it

42:57

and then they'll find out with published and we'll see what happens

43:00

and , wrote this line about one not my

43:02

husband's handbag to be you

43:04

know grab as he rented the there are displayed

43:06

have the better side of public appearances

43:09

and when i wrote that first draft as sensitive

43:11

few friends and all

43:14

of the women said so funny that's the best line

43:16

there and all other men said nothing

43:18

you to cut it or tighten the cease to take us that

43:20

handbag line it's not very interesting

43:23

and it's somehow it's somehow it's

43:26

is a clunky metaphor but somehow it resonated

43:28

with people because of the maybe

43:30

aren't that many people

43:32

were married he notes at marriage had a faith

43:34

in a lot of women who are

43:37

somehow better known a

43:39

man's wife and and

43:41

somehow this even though they're proud of been

43:43

married to that person somehow besides as

43:45

he's a little bit so obviously

43:48

in the grand scheme of things these are particularly

43:50

huge changes but i've really tried to

43:53

as just change a little bit the expectations

43:55

of what i should be doing so if my husband gets

43:57

an invitation to attend events and it's

43:59

and

44:00

the kitchen for the prisoner i phones send out

44:02

of attend the event you know unless his limitations

44:04

of the two of us and would be redecorated

44:07

a presidential residence i thought that

44:09

you know i don't have a personal interest in desperation and

44:11

and that such as or stereotypical

44:13

social thing to do decide to have any of that

44:15

see you have to do the christmas decorations are

44:18

that's a huge thing in america like

44:20

our allies or the process of races of the first

44:22

ready to come on out right fire i mean

44:24

to be fair below the a trump's were bizarre they

44:26

were like let's not that bad thoughts

44:29

ah it is a bit like who cares

44:33

listen to the

44:33

hey hey pathetic wouldn't

44:36

lady typically be expected to do that have

44:39

, without my husband is the sixth

44:41

president and i'm really

44:44

it there was it there of more

44:47

and additional put

44:49

up a first lady is up and some anyway we're

44:52

the world's first female head state was a single

44:54

single mother

44:56

i'm married and and then as

44:58

a there haven't been quite as many examples

45:00

for this but i look at this role you know

45:03

because there is no kinda have to

45:05

do anything for a vote or so

45:07

if i loved christmas decorations than

45:09

i would probably do the prison secretions because i enjoy

45:12

it but i look at everything i'm

45:14

as a choice that i get to make

45:16

myself as to whether or not i want

45:18

to take part in it see i'm

45:20

a feminist parts if i were first

45:22

lady of anything

45:24

they gave me a decorating budget i

45:26

would be like love the boring

45:31

my credit them i love is

45:33

the flair there was be bob

45:35

i've been so i bade shoes

45:37

off either i shouldn't be in this position

45:40

the other out of units i would redecorate

45:42

every six months i be that boris johnson

45:45

a wallpaper scandal look we've had

45:47

if you don't have a lies i don't worry yeah

45:49

no by a searing oh that

45:52

that the least if anyone's problems i would

45:54

be so much worse the that's it

45:57

the idea of ice and avatar blood bath

45:59

bombs and every game

46:00

the stuff i that destroy the

46:02

environment for have the think it's too especially

46:05

for thought that every day that is not the

46:07

way to win the election is not to say ah

46:09

to shouldn't be a made slogan let's get

46:11

into the nitty gritty of i

46:14

slammed and it's gender equality ah

46:16

isn't can you tell us a little bit about

46:18

what iceland does the

46:20

parental leave a minute

46:22

for anything and everything

46:24

look at it from my own experience

46:27

so my husband my husband i

46:29

have been other day and how he said adult dollars

46:32

on his first marriage and we

46:34

have four children together who were born

46:36

at pretty much access to year

46:38

intervals this is not a

46:41

ambition of moment has grown up we're

46:44

happy for children in just

46:47

as just under the year and

46:49

at the time of has them to was

46:51

working as a lecture at the university

46:53

and i was working as a freelance copy

46:56

editor and copywriter and

46:59

as you can imagine neither those is hugely

47:02

lucrative careers that

47:04

he had this large family

47:06

and we both worked full time and we were able

47:08

to do that because of

47:10

the obsolete the

47:12

port of the and prepared hear that encourages

47:15

both parents to be in the workforce

47:17

so i'm a both parents

47:19

at when i had the children nine

47:22

months of state paid parental leave

47:24

which is sort of and i used for lose it basis so

47:27

one parent would get three months

47:29

the second parents would get three months and

47:31

the the third or three months to

47:33

be split between the parents with they wanted

47:35

them to the idea being that is encouraged

47:38

both parents to take the lead

47:40

to which they were entitled about that

47:42

he has since been expanded to twelve years and that

47:45

for having a job and twenty years could

47:49

you have a summer

47:50

i'm going to try them on the

47:52

server twelve years as years kids' lives yeah oh

47:55

don't worry that

47:56

this has i'm all for about

47:58

four at twenty this is what are they article

48:01

i was like wow that is impressive the

48:03

ah yes i i

48:05

, i would rather go back to work maybe the vietnamese

48:07

forces that almost all the twelve twelve

48:10

years of for children it's too much for anybody see

48:12

i have been on an unusually

48:14

said with as chance as well so

48:17

you know the some my fourth child was

48:19

born i had born was at home

48:21

the baby are taking my maternity leave

48:23

and then i had to who were in full time preschool

48:26

and then i had one who isn't the first year of

48:28

of schools on the enough the

48:35

the even if somebody is already at

48:37

home on their maternity paternity

48:39

leave say would still have the other children be

48:41

paying for them to the going to preschool

48:44

and were after school program simply because

48:46

of the cost and that's that's a big

48:48

advantage that hurt people to go back to work and also

48:50

to encourage father's to take

48:53

an active role in the upbringing of their children

48:55

will be like trying it

49:01

like with thirty seven countries

49:03

the deal the stuff in different ways and ireland

49:05

we have a referendum to get

49:07

like an abortion nights it

49:09

was quite a long process and quite a very public

49:11

process but in iceland

49:14

how is it places handle like

49:16

how to discuss as a country

49:19

he be looking at the time right now

49:21

i think of anything have moved off

49:23

the tipping point of debating whether something like

49:25

gender equality is is important to

49:27

try to achieve and just the beating

49:30

the beach that so i don't think the within

49:32

the political means you you would prefer to the party

49:34

saying i was a cut back on this wall

49:36

should we be using passion

49:45

the moment fit in and go to

49:47

the recent i thought of history to play tonight and seventy

49:50

five when the women of i find took

49:52

a is called the women's that off but with effectively

49:54

a strike that we've organized obviously

49:57

a p social media day it but people just

49:59

is so the each other and they

50:01

wanted to highlight the differences in terms of

50:03

pay inequality between women and men

50:06

the next day or a you know

50:08

we're just not where today and that means that i'm

50:10

not showing up to be a flight attendant it means

50:12

i'm not going to be teaching at the school of these are not

50:14

going to be a bank teller and if i'm not going to cook for

50:16

my family and look after my children and

50:18

ninety percent of the countries

50:20

where then took the day off and

50:23

the country shutdown predictably so

50:26

are you know the couldn't run the airplanes the banks of

50:28

the close the schools are closed all these men

50:30

were were doing work brought their kids to school

50:34

i think not only sure that the country shut down

50:36

without minutes involvement but it also

50:38

kind of inspired been in his other people to say

50:41

you know we can really make a

50:43

difference if we have our voices heard

50:45

and if we speak up and that kind of steamroller

50:48

incidentally how did the world's first democratically

50:50

elected president into developing a women's

50:52

list party in parliament

50:55

so we're headed this system so

50:57

that just increase the number of women who were sitting

50:59

impediments and they obviously spoke

51:01

up for issues that were affected women

51:04

but you know and the gradually introduced

51:06

the he he not a virgin

51:08

records

51:16

the more successful companies there

51:18

were you know when the more gender equal that

51:20

countries are over all the long for living there

51:22

the happy population are so i

51:25

think people start to see the benefits for

51:27

everybody on and that encourages

51:29

everybody to be involved some one

51:32

of the country's haven't done this way of the women

51:34

of other countries not taken the day off because like is

51:36

one day an audience of the five and look at everything you've

51:38

got and

51:40

he will have an advantage because we're very small country

51:43

so even now with only three hundred and fifty

51:45

thousand people so it's much easier

51:47

to miss haynes

51:53

an individual

51:56

sometimes it can seem overwhelming you know

51:58

it can seem like a

52:02

if i recycle that's right now that believe

52:04

that matter but i think that hopefully

52:06

what i'm trying to do a little bit the book

52:08

that i wrote because speak to about

52:10

forty different women to out icelandic society

52:13

and the book is to show that

52:15

we shouldn't be leaving this up to

52:18

our elected officials we should be trying to

52:20

make changes in our daily lives

52:22

and while things like that the legal

52:24

system while things like that the childcare

52:26

are important really are cheating

52:29

gender equality has to do with a lot more it

52:31

has to do with supporting ours

52:33

women's football team as much as we support

52:35

him and football team and listening to music

52:37

and and as much as we listened and either by men

52:39

and thinking about how we're representing

52:42

women in the me yeah i'm

52:44

not too bad slut

52:46

shaming within and you know all

52:49

kinds of other things so there's a whole lot of

52:51

to mention to this that

52:53

aren't just well if you introduce

52:55

excellence parental leave then thing

52:58

the be pretty bad i ,

53:00

as a former read or of heat

53:02

that's quite hypocritical from you the out

53:04

the last thing about said said let's look at a say

53:07

that about believe that on the table eliza

53:09

really see the three kids same

53:11

as well i didn't say i love seeing

53:13

we're

53:14

you can't help but his exile way

53:16

i would hypothetically peek at he's i'm

53:19

not i'm not saying i'm not saying i never looked

53:21

to the ah just jokes

53:24

like people have to ice and unoccupied our

53:26

country

53:27

and to iceland and it feels

53:29

like it's the future how do you

53:31

get more rights now that you have you have

53:33

of right like compared to other countries

53:36

is the conversation different

53:38

that is that one actually yeah

53:40

if you're the best the men not say

53:42

you were the best place i was in shock

53:46

yeah i don't think so i mean you know and

53:48

as the things that are the as universe know i thought

53:50

if women whose like yes it's pretty good i'm

53:52

i'm i'm happy to have it is as and i think

53:54

that's the way that leaning forward is by

53:57

being vigilant of the hiring

54:00

worse than a business yeah i

54:02

haven't decided it doesn't you

54:05

know it's not like the path in the bath perfect

54:07

so it kind of always wearing that

54:09

the gender equality bosses and i'm

54:11

remembering remember

54:14

to leave know great behind

54:16

and so a you know in

54:18

in iceland for example that i would

54:20

say three areas that were going to need to

54:22

focus on our to do women in

54:25

the boardroom we when i wrote this book

54:27

there is no women leading any

54:29

the company that retrieving the earth and the stock exchange

54:31

their stone woman called ernie who

54:34

are running companies on the ice and since

54:36

then there are women the food is

54:38

to be remedied the

54:41

a wifi need to work

54:44

on better in finding the right of

54:46

mom hunter individuals and trans women

54:48

into on trans people and we have

54:50

any changes there as well as

54:52

you can for instance in iceland as him names

54:55

nice sister traditionally patronymic or

54:57

names were you take a first name as

54:59

son or daughter and now if you have a

55:01

gender neutral registrations you can actually

55:03

happy ending booze which means

55:05

descendents so he can use

55:07

the sort of iceland a traditional way into gender

55:09

neutral way and a third area

55:12

which is really care to my heart is the are

55:14

women a foreign origin because there

55:16

are an increasing them that of immigrants

55:18

in iceland including myself people a foreign origin

55:21

then he the women of for

55:23

an urgency face additional challenges

55:26

hear that people who are born and raised in raised country

55:28

that face and is you know i sound like

55:30

you're than or countries also assistance of what we

55:32

call this nordic paradox which is this idea

55:34

that they're actually higher of reported

55:37

cases of gender based violence cases

55:39

domestic violence than the ark and many

55:41

other countries and if

55:43

that isn't exactly that sounds very limited

55:45

your this you're doing wrong gender but he

55:47

had a hi keep it in

55:49

part of the reason we don't know enough for that

55:51

could be because there is

55:53

less stigma attached with talking about

55:56

situations like this it could be because

55:58

is greater trust with the police more

56:00

it this is reporting it could be that

56:02

this you know because the definition of what constitutes

56:05

gender based violence and sexual assault mighty

56:07

broader but we don't know for sure and obviously

56:09

any situations are too many situations

56:12

and you know iceland is

56:14

it can see the to be rocked by me

56:16

the scandal all the time so

56:19

there's definitely a lot of a lot more to be done

56:23

one yeah

56:25

that is no no i mean i haven't

56:29

done

56:29

not all i i'm i'm really i'm really

56:31

interested in what your there and i think we forget

56:34

about that we suggest that

56:36

the communities where there is more face

56:38

of the place where there is less

56:40

stigma against the survivor and

56:42

more stigma again

56:44

the perpetrator you will see more

56:46

reports say somewhere that have no reports

56:48

might be the worst place for

56:51

gender based violence and sexual assault but

56:54

as you say you don't want you don't want

56:56

any of the fact that it it seems

56:58

high by any metric is something that you want

57:00

to combat how to you

57:02

and your role the first

57:05

lady

57:06

the old with that i try to

57:08

pick up about it about lot again lot again because

57:11

i'm i'm lisa careful not to be

57:14

political about it you know i have my husband

57:16

isn't in a political party it's

57:19

not as his place it's not my

57:21

place a sort of implicated with

57:23

the office of the president to say we

57:25

need to invest more millionaire or we need to pass

57:28

x law or while legislation

57:30

but just the fact that i am trying to

57:33

speak up about gender equality as a whole

57:35

i think so

57:37

something about it the fact that i'm an immigrant

57:40

and immigrant speak of blended with an accent

57:42

i think it's very important it's think it's important

57:45

working on the country to see that just because i

57:47

make grammatical errors and at them as

57:49

big an accent at that doesn't need to have something

57:51

ready to say and our and

57:54

it just keep these issues on on

57:56

the table i hope you mentioned

57:58

before about

58:00

queer and trans can be the seas i

58:02

said is known to have

58:04

the progressive view on

58:07

these things what

58:10

right that do you think of what

58:13

are you proud of in terms of

58:15

the way that iceland

58:16

the made , footwear

58:19

people and particularly

58:21

those who agenda fluids think

58:23

that he will again the fact that small

58:25

society in an advantage

58:28

so i knew for instance in

58:30

this book that i wanted to interview at

58:32

least one non binary an

58:34

individual or transforming for the birth are

58:38

you

58:38

immediately to think of several people that i

58:40

knew her father always

58:42

just to the the in the country

58:45

the tell the person i spoke to

58:47

a car theft and yeah they were mentioned

58:50

to me that you know nice and when you kind

58:52

of know people is it removes

58:54

any sort of fear of the a know of the see how much

58:57

more similar the all we all are to

58:59

each other and again

59:02

you know that that smaller has hold

59:06

me it yet it took

59:08

me that we don't have time to have of these hang

59:10

ups about different things it's all hands on

59:12

deck to have some seeing the site

59:15

to be able to you achieve what we want to see

59:17

i pop a lot about against either cause you

59:19

open attitude toward sexuality in general

59:22

in iceland and that might also be because it's not

59:24

a we're not a terribly from the just society

59:27

would automatically villages in that sense

59:29

then again i think about a year the i'm

59:31

i'm i'm no expert this is just the on

59:33

anecdotal sensor that is just that

59:36

you know again people have the

59:39

have been that oh society has shut

59:41

down when most people who have children

59:43

together aren't married first and

59:45

and

59:47

you know i'm okay with you have your

59:49

highest rate of committee as action so

59:51

there are maybe a couple of of downsized

59:53

into swings and roundabouts

59:55

i'm living on factoids

1:00:00

i discovered this when i was researching the bus have used

1:00:03

to go the risk is a handshake

1:00:05

on urban dictionary of has to be interesting

1:00:09

the wow you

1:00:11

are true ambassador you're going to

1:00:16

affect , hossa for the full interview

1:00:19

yeah let's see the can set the

1:00:21

record

1:00:21

really i was i i really want go an

1:00:23

island now i want go more now

1:00:25

you're just really selling it to be friend

1:00:28

, comedia infection yeah irish

1:00:31

goodbye ricky the think

1:00:34

probably is the

1:00:37

up

1:00:39

can i ask how to icelandic feminists

1:00:42

he

1:00:44

the attitude towards trans people

1:00:46

in britain that the moment

1:00:51

it makes sense

1:00:53

that i don't speak for all feminists

1:00:55

in iceland but actually other the

1:00:57

trans activists with be my book is the stephanie

1:00:59

as lives in the uk and

1:01:01

is very active and to the monaco

1:01:04

our fisher in in london uk

1:01:06

and as and she's and said you know out when i go into

1:01:08

an interview in the uk i have

1:01:10

to kind of felt myself up for

1:01:12

a battle and it's tiring and

1:01:16

when i'm in iceland hi

1:01:18

you know get as tough questions and that's fair

1:01:21

but it's never an aggressive and

1:01:23

tag on a stick approach and i feel

1:01:25

like i can just breathe here

1:01:28

now a you know that that made

1:01:30

me proud

1:01:32

to be an icelander and have a as an

1:01:34

incredible amount of admiration

1:01:37

for a a a people getting

1:01:39

it will be key you know

1:01:50

the and i i ok i'm an immigrant but

1:01:52

i am ah or has waged

1:01:54

educated says hundred and immigrant

1:01:57

who a has english as a first language

1:01:59

and the feet of the country it

1:02:02

you know for me to say that i'm speaking up

1:02:04

about this you know out on to so many points

1:02:06

for that that the it for people who

1:02:08

really put a lot of a line of the people

1:02:10

who has to be representing

1:02:13

this battle twenty four seven

1:02:16

the to be exhausting and i and i bear a

1:02:18

tremendous amount of admiration

1:02:20

for people who garbage

1:02:22

one about it because it is so important and

1:02:25

who are doing so in such

1:02:27

as such as optimistic way

1:02:29

you know not doing it because they think

1:02:32

this will never change of i've had of have to do a

1:02:34

bit actually thinking that if

1:02:37

you know a having a positive change

1:02:39

in a positive effect and i and i i

1:02:41

think that that is true and and that's the case

1:02:45

a big said at all of the people their

1:02:47

wish i knew that you have a lot of them on

1:02:49

the the podcast a lot which is great because that's

1:02:51

what we need to be doing is is listening to all

1:02:54

kinds of ways

1:02:55

i just yeah i just sometimes wonder how

1:02:57

the uk a seat

1:02:59

in that way because there's such a

1:03:01

or are there are many many trump allies

1:03:03

here but i also worry that we're getting

1:03:05

a reputation me

1:03:08

very hostile trans people at it i

1:03:10

think it very useful for

1:03:12

feminist britain to here and to that they

1:03:15

can all come to visit iceland we would love to

1:03:18

love to you around hear what what

1:03:20

are the kinds of restrictions of the vibe at all the huge

1:03:22

anybody welcoming tourists of the by

1:03:24

why i mean a if it

1:03:26

it seems to change or fine but if you're fully vaccinated

1:03:29

then man who should come

1:03:31

and got up here the bars

1:03:33

and have been so late now is the have restrictions of as the

1:03:35

once you're here that

1:03:38

low the more that a little bit tom said

1:03:41

the

1:03:44

either the new toy slogan deborah

1:03:46

online often

1:03:48

earlier said more time to get yourself

1:03:51

erect because say are amazing

1:03:53

i think severe the thing about busily speak

1:03:55

about ice and hundred makes me

1:03:57

it reminds me of podcasts and away

1:04:00

when your podcast the money talk to people

1:04:02

they don't really know i never met before

1:04:05

or whatever you can hear their

1:04:07

point of view and it's no longer scary or you're

1:04:09

no longer curious about and it just

1:04:11

opens up and says your country

1:04:13

some so beautiful and i'm so

1:04:15

excited for this book and for yeah

1:04:17

however i wanna know going to look you up on

1:04:19

everything no esta el as

1:04:22

, advantage of the validated eliza

1:04:26

finally the people who have them to

1:04:28

buy the book i would like you took a little

1:04:30

bit better salt is within to see talk about

1:04:32

your experiences about talk about iceland or

1:04:34

you experience and the position that but

1:04:36

for the saga is saga so interesting

1:04:39

cause you to speak you to bit about absolutely

1:04:42

and so as i guess the also are comprised

1:04:45

of my own kind of

1:04:45

founded in the story but the icelandic saga

1:04:48

is that a lot of people might know are these old

1:04:50

tales i felt traditional contribution

1:04:52

to literature that inspired a like tolkien

1:04:55

and bognor regis and they are

1:04:57

old story that were written hundreds

1:04:59

of years ago about a time of the sentiment of the

1:05:01

country and around it be nice

1:05:03

the century they're very dramatic

1:05:06

hailed as warfare and love

1:05:08

and conflict and family drama seventy

1:05:10

five as if you well and to see

1:05:12

it you know yes there are more male characters in

1:05:15

x and yes and then have more speaking time but

1:05:17

there are nevertheless them strong female

1:05:19

characters in if it has been an influence

1:05:21

on women today and in my book

1:05:24

on i try i have a few little

1:05:26

vignettes a strong women from

1:05:28

iceland it's history just to showcase the

1:05:30

types of role models that women here are grown

1:05:33

up with at the you know a lot

1:05:35

of the book is taken up with

1:05:37

interviews the murdered

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people around the country you know our a comedian

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a football player and near as

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a counselor and and regular

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people of different ages from around the country

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and hopefully they can also provides

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an inspiration because the atheists is they're just

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like you and me and the people that

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was no there are now and hedgeable people

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who have had then things that are

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reachable to the best of up

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and the hopefully hearing some of that the modern

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side as and a modern story about

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women in the country who were just living their lives

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really there they don't necessarily consider themselves

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activists or fantasy them either

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just living your life and and hopefully back and

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still provides some inspiration

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people as to to what we

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can be too and wherever we live in the world to

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further his cause allies that could you

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read as a little bit of one of

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the some book ages from your book your

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sure this is from the first when they called the

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saga aerospace the a that the

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singular france who defies

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convention i

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very demanding when it comes to men committed

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have to get is it the has been selfish

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the theater do not have a see

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that and it

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yeah for her hand in marriage on

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the very day they met

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he did not apply for it and strong

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willed and vengeful how to get this

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was married three times good

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he couldn't be intense feud

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with felt far as going to waste of goodness

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best friend

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her the directly responsible

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for his demise who

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with no and by the nickname long

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like that it isn't a call for

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hate on her hair which with

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soft as silk and grew down

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to her they

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well i'm not good in the late have

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century

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are you today from love florida and

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longer and arguably greatest

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at the many of on the said an

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honorable she was not shy about

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expressing her displeasure with her husband's

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behavior or with any indignities

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she felt she suffered

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when famine ravaged land hath

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instructed servant malcolm to

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rob a neighboring farm for food

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no today he's one of the worst

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thing one contender in the fat

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it

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the realized

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the former that have good it's inception

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had brought upon the household laughter

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across the face

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are they prefer she would remember the

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and justice and

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the retire the

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return for opportunity the you

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want the ending in one minute so the basically

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you know he's laughter one yeah

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in years later these ambushed in his home

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and he rushes in the house and he says

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has given i need a lot of your

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hair to use in my bow and arrow because

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michael there are a threat he

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said basically minutes hands off

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me

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no way forget about it and she

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won't lend given her hair and those as we get

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no there are even

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example other and early the

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battle nowadays

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the perfect it's a think a song about it

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you don't have a life it's going to have his

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way to have the old that recessions of

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see the like catholic family that likes that

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likes got classical have like beowulf

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or something like that but less stuff in

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there that you

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read about how women felt

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steep

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leader injustices and how

1:09:21

they use the power that they had and

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was his at the beach against should hearts

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of islands' and it's desire for gender

1:09:29

equality so i found them really

1:09:31

fascinating to read listeners

1:09:34

that is book it's is currently on

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free order and

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it is cold secrets of the sprecher

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by like to read this

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i fully recommend you go on holiday the iceland

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and that buy this book and read on the plane

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on the way six seven about it and

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it's a is published in the uk on

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international women's day so these

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people will remember the occasional that comes

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out of that earlier in north america right

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you certainly can i say

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are sprache yourself eliza am i

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saying that can you tell me to me how to pronounce it yeah

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the singular sprache sprache are

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yeah but together i i feel

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proper , yeah obviously

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we three spray aka yeah spray

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is we a yeah

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but are we are very we are

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have you here today as a sprache

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i you certainly you came to say that you didn't

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get to say eliza oh

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gosh i should have a

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what make that the first no not really it's just

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i'm really excited to see on

1:10:37

this program is an honor for me

1:10:39

to have been asked as well and keep doing

1:10:41

keep up all the good work it's great

1:10:44

to hear everything it in thank you very much what

1:10:46

i should ask is do you have an i'm a feminist spots

1:10:49

how do you feel if either what about

1:10:52

you have a hobby for to that

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this is the first interview of

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other martha see you parker

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because i couldn't figure out the path behind it before

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now

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ah of we we're delighted over the rail

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cars yeah

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allison that beagle struggles day i

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didn't because tom the see a make it it'll happen honestly

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he they face off at home

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i do i'm

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also an also an

1:11:22

feminist fat

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every a picnic philosophy christmases

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i paid seventy two cities

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here over the holiday because

1:11:32

i loved it

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come on a sort of dared me once

1:11:35

and such traditional oh

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look women used to have to and make many

1:11:40

many the cookies during advantage so

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i took it upon us off a challenge to me

1:11:44

made the movie to least favorite cookie

1:11:46

the never a in

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the ones that are kind of a palazzo

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to make you know a little late there's

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extra declaration of and a thing yeah

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yeah the it and then you remember what some

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as delicious one are

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the most delicious on five fire is

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canadian none imo bars and

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any comedian the since you have one know exactly

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what i'm talking about and

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google after the google can

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should should google the

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and i'm not sure you are

1:12:17

you up you'll be sorry canada they like

1:12:19

well done you've gone abroad and represented

1:12:22

for canada

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well i think one of the similar it's intended

1:12:25

i some people have this path is quicker small

1:12:27

nation complex so i said opposite because we

1:12:29

are small nation of hair because we have this mess

1:12:32

that nation right next

1:12:34

to it so when manhattan was

1:12:36

first elected it with on the news a lot

1:12:38

and now i think i don't think that i'm a

1:12:40

broadly know but i think it's kind of a quirky

1:12:43

fact in of all the median know

1:12:46

canadian when they come on t shirts or something my kids

1:12:48

are receiving about and if you see someone to of

1:12:50

she's canadian of he's canadian they were

1:12:52

stockman start measuring s so

1:12:55

navy you're a circle could like other

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for the islands' their their efforts lady is

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canadian centre of excellence

1:13:02

, excellent analysis be so

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do you have anything to plug oh

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i got rid of the third

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herbert hoover of trouble there are related

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to silverdale

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how good he said that to that's going on deaf

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ears ah there we don't get

1:13:20

close and really excited about that with i

1:13:22

say that in two minutes and

1:13:25

may and who else alarm patton

1:13:27

said on deaths as poppy

1:13:29

hill said and i'm really really excited

1:13:31

by the us census a covenant ah

1:13:34

there's my own purpose the as as

1:13:36

though so still happen and i am

1:13:38

going to be doing cambridge and

1:13:40

comedy festival on that

1:13:43

mclaren as i say

1:13:45

edinburgh as well as i'm sitting

1:13:47

two minds about what's called a so deborah a

1:13:50

meter going to call at last or

1:13:52

and cited like that

1:13:54

my two names addresses get seven

1:13:56

us what to ask the tell the with the scarlet

1:13:58

i'm very very ill the find out a further

1:14:01

the on social media apps

1:14:04

still on instagram an unfair

1:14:06

ago and try to stay off the

1:14:09

the to five it and well if people

1:14:11

could all that way one and and votes

1:14:14

what they think that these are taught to be and then you could

1:14:16

have that months week of

1:14:17

and see what everyone's voted for

1:14:20

you could do a poll

1:14:22

i'm gonna do a whole so hide their press

1:14:25

the to uphold so hard and

1:14:27

see submissive me and i wasn't at

1:14:29

because street in dublin on the fourteenth of march

1:14:32

do not miss it maybe we'll find

1:14:34

some more irish a funeral

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or a

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the wedding after that you could tell me about their

1:14:38

because i felt a day pass that they say

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thanks i know a

1:14:47

larger it's been absolutely wonderful to have

1:14:49

you on sexy so much for coming up

1:14:52

from from missouri maybe

1:14:55

single day of the earth

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you have elicited

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the line of rain has

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, lot less than

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half

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you have named are really discount

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supermarket awesome the whole country

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and no it comes up google

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alert all the time think that's the only

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everybody has and iceland google alerts and

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woman in barnsley stop

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because of ice angelica that's not

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i said

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