0:03

Jonah , welcome to the having report podcast

0:05

. Thanks for doing this tonight . Man , what's going

0:08

on ? Oh

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, man , so you and I met a couple nights

0:12

ago up here at the restaurant man , this

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is a Bitcoin hub , as we've

0:16

discussed .

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Bitcoin breaker . The beach breaker hotel

0:19

best Bitcoin hotel in

0:21

El Salvador . It is not even close . This

0:24

is the dominant spot . If you're going to come to El Salvador

0:26

, highly encourage the beach

0:28

breaker hotel . They take care of you . The

0:31

owner , carlos , is absolutely the man

0:33

. Took us out on a volcano tour . Today

0:35

. Have the best time of our whole lives . Come

0:37

here . You're going to be taking care of incredible prices

0:39

, incredible service , 10

0:41

out of 10 .

0:42

Carlos and Anida have taken care

0:45

of Chris and I all week . They're

0:47

great hosts and so

0:49

, yeah , thanks , thank you for that showed up .

0:51

Yeah .

0:52

And yeah , we're going to

0:54

, we're going to keep you , keep you stimulated

0:56

throughout this podcast .

0:57

Let's get it .

0:58

So what I love about you , jonah , is that

1:00

you're all in .

1:02

You're all in , I'm all in , except

1:04

that I keep buying these $3 packs of smokes .

1:06

Yeah , Keep it in keeping

1:08

them in business down the road there . So

1:11

you're all in and you just moved here . Maybe

1:13

you could tell us a little bit about

1:16

your journey and like how long you've

1:18

been here and what's been your experience so far .

1:20

Man . Okay , so my my

1:22

journey is a little bit weird , a little bit of a weirdo . I

1:26

moved to El Salvador on Wednesday

1:28

, sold all my possessions

1:30

and I decided that I've got to come

1:32

here . I've got some Bitcoin , I've got a . I've

1:34

got some mini months of runway because

1:36

of Bitcoin . I highly encourage

1:38

everyone to get some Bitcoin so that they can have

1:40

mini months of runway to go and pursue their dreams

1:42

as well . But I saw

1:44

what was going on in El Salvador and I realized

1:47

that this was a dead country , the most

1:49

dangerous country in the world historically

1:52

, more dangerous than Baghdad , more dangerous than

1:54

Iraq , more dangerous than Ukraine

1:56

. There was so many murders here , all

1:59

of the locals . They couldn't start businesses

2:01

, they couldn't project into the future and start to

2:04

look for a better life

2:06

. They had no hope because they were trying

2:08

to survive an imminent danger

2:10

. And a year ago , this

2:13

new president , aybu Kele , garnered

2:15

enough support from the locals to perform

2:18

something that no other country

2:20

has ever performed , which is locking

2:22

up all of the 66,000

2:25

terrorists terrorizing this country

2:27

. And in the span

2:30

of a week , this

2:32

went from a dead country six

2:34

feet deep in the ground to

2:36

a living , vibrant country where the

2:38

people are no longer in fear for their lives and

2:41

they can now see into the future a life that

2:43

is completely different to the one

2:45

that they had before , and they will never go

2:47

back . They can start to look

2:49

forward , invest in the future and

2:51

start to build a savings and a life for themselves

2:54

in a way they've never been able to before . And

2:56

when you experience the feeling of the local

2:58

Salvadorans that

3:00

are going through that , it is

3:02

a polar opposite from

3:05

America , I'm sure , canada

3:07

and all of these Western civilizations that are

3:09

on the decline . It is

3:11

polar opposite and it even almost brings

3:13

a tear to my eye when you talk to these people , because you

3:16

sense this hope , rather than in America

3:18

, where you get this apathy and you get this

3:20

sense of it doesn't even matter , it's

3:22

hopeless . Here

3:24

it's the opposite . All

3:26

we have is hope and we are on the same team .

3:29

Let's make Al Salvador great , for once

3:31

and I think you've had some great

3:33

success and awesome , awesome introduction

3:36

there . But you've had some great success

3:38

since you've been here . You know you're connecting with all

3:41

sorts of people in the community . Already You're

3:43

looking at places to stay , you

3:46

know , possibly bumping up with other bit coiners

3:48

100% , so that's really

3:50

cool . But you've particularly had some success

3:52

with your drone . So

3:54

I'm gonna I want to give you an opportunity to tell

3:56

that story .

3:57

Man . So this is what's so incredible . So

3:59

one thing that I really like to share with people is

4:02

the concept of soft skills are overrated

4:05

, and those soft skills being sales or

4:07

marketing and being a convincing person or being

4:09

like a cool guy . What

4:12

people don't look at is the physical

4:14

tools to get the job done . Anyone

4:16

who's ever been successful at anything have the right tools to

4:18

get the job done . Yes , they had the

4:21

other side , the soft skills as well , but

4:23

as soon as they got those tools , that's what allowed them to increase

4:26

the velocity at which they could achieve their goals . So

4:28

, whether it's the best military , they have the best tools . Whether

4:30

it's the best tech company , they have the best tools . Or , if

4:32

you just look throughout history , hunters

4:34

and gatherers the best hunters who were

4:36

the chiefs of their tribes they had the best

4:38

tools , they went and made them , they found the , they

4:41

found the flint , created their spears and they took down a

4:43

mammoth and they're the man now because they had

4:45

the tools . So my thinking was

4:47

okay , I'm going to move to El Salvador

4:49

and I don't have a falling right now

4:51

, but I know that El Salvador is going

4:53

in the direction that I want to go . So I'm going to go there

4:55

and invest in El Salvador

4:57

, and so I need tools to do that , because

4:59

I can go down there and I can go here and

5:02

talk to people

5:04

and that's great and I can make an impact . But

5:06

if I bring the tools to be able to share

5:08

this to a scale that wouldn't

5:10

be possible on a one on one , that's where

5:12

the difference can really be made . So I invested

5:14

in a $3,000 DJI Mavic

5:16

drone pretty cool but

5:19

basically I was able to take my first shot

5:21

on this drone . I don't know how to drive this thing . I'm

5:23

almost crashing into walls and

5:25

what's going on is I

5:28

randomly , accidentally get this incredible

5:30

, beautiful video of El Sante

5:32

Bitcoin Beach , the heart of the

5:34

Bitcoin culture , where it

5:36

started here in El Salvador

5:39

, long before it was safe , long

5:41

before it was legal tender . This movement

5:43

started here and so I got this footage

5:45

and I posted it out one

5:48

time on Twitter . Now , max Kaiser

5:50

300 , 600,000 followers

5:52

on Twitter , advisor to

5:54

President Bukele of El Salvador , the guy

5:56

who got the Bitcoin movement started officially

5:59

in the government here saw my

6:01

video and

6:03

what he does is he says this is a

6:05

beautiful piece showing the

6:07

beauty of our country here , and he

6:09

takes any pin this to his profile . I

6:11

have no following . I have , no , no

6:13

people that are watching my stuff

6:15

and shouting me out , but just

6:18

because of the simple tool that I invested in

6:20

, I was able to garnish all that traction

6:22

. And just a simple fact of having Max Kaiser

6:25

retweet me and then pin me to

6:27

his account , which you actually showed me I didn't even know

6:29

. Yeah , being

6:31

able just to show that to people adds a

6:33

level of credibility that I couldn't have possibly had

6:35

before , and it opens all these doors to

6:37

the owner of this fine

6:40

establishment here , opens the door with you

6:42

, all these people , the Germans , and

6:46

so the

6:48

tool is what actually allowed me to get

6:50

that . So , again , what I need to encourage everybody

6:52

to do is , yeah , you want to develop your soft skills

6:54

, you want to be a better communicator , dot dot dot , but you

6:56

need tools . You need to invest in tools and you spend money

6:58

to get tools so you can get the job done at

7:01

a velocity at which you'll actually get

7:03

a return on your investment . So get some

7:05

tools 100% .

7:06

Yeah , no , I love that explanation about

7:08

tools and making that investment

7:10

. What do we got right here ? Yeah , we got mini

7:12

mics . This is the good for traveling .

7:14

We've got music playing and wind blowing , and if we didn't have

7:16

these , there ain't no podcasts . Yeah , exactly

7:18

, but you did you did the right thing , you made an investment

7:20

. And now here we are .

7:21

Exactly , and you ran three podcasts today . Yeah

7:24

, man , it's been a busy day . We did the Volcano

7:26

Santa Ana Volcano , which is the most ?

7:28

7am , to what time ? Now 9am , and

7:30

we had the time .

7:31

Yeah , it's getting late here . Yeah

7:34

, we're trying to pump it out , make use of our time here . Like

7:37

you said , you've been here since last

7:39

Wednesday , so

7:44

what's your plan then ? Like you're

7:46

here , you've checked out Bitcoin

7:49

Beach . You're hearing about Berlin

7:51

, other opportunities

7:54

in Bitcoin centric areas

7:57

. You're fresh here . Where's

7:59

your mindset ?

8:00

So my mindset here was to come to Elzonte

8:03

first for a week just to experience this culture

8:05

and then move to San Salvador , the big city

8:07

, so that I could be connected to people here

8:09

. But I got here , I met

8:11

you and you introduced me to Ronnie , chris

8:14

, the Germans , carlos

8:18

here , and I got so connected I

8:20

sort of realized the Bitcoin movement

8:22

is in Elzonte . If you want

8:24

to be a part of the Bitcoin movement , if you really want to be

8:27

a part of New York in

8:30

the 1920s , you want to be a part

8:32

of history and like something that is going

8:34

to 1000X over the next

8:36

20 years , you need to get your ass to

8:38

Bitcoin Beach , elzonte . You

8:41

don't need to move here , but you need to get here . You need

8:43

to meet some people . You need to make some connections , because

8:45

that's another thing that's completely undervalued

8:47

with people is yeah , we

8:49

talk about tools and we talk about buying Bitcoin

8:51

, but what about connections ? If

8:53

you're not sitting here connecting with people , you're

8:56

screwed . You can have all the money in the whole wide world

8:58

If there's no people around to enjoy it with , you're

9:00

just going to kill yourself . That's

9:03

how it works . Yeah , connection

9:05

is everything , and so that was

9:07

my mindset here . It's like I've got Bitcoin . Bitcoin

9:10

is going to 10 million and it

9:12

is such

9:14

a I've got 90 months of runway

9:16

, as is if Bitcoin doesn't move

9:18

. So I'm like , okay , I've got money

9:20

, but what I am severely lacking

9:23

in my whole life is connections . Why

9:25

? Well , here's why In

9:27

America , I'm always been

9:29

a complete outsider . Okay

9:32

, and what that

9:35

means is I grew up in a way where I was looking

9:37

around the world and I was seeing things that

9:39

didn't add up much like

9:41

our good German friend here that you also interviewed . And

9:45

because of these things , I'm asking questions that are

9:47

frustrating for people . I'm asking too many questions

9:50

, too many questions that people are pushing

9:52

me to the back and they're kind

9:54

of suppressing my

9:57

curiosity , and

10:00

so with that , I started to kind of

10:02

pull back right , not

10:04

on what mattered to me and what I was

10:06

interested in in researching , but

10:09

in my connecting with people

10:11

, and so I kind of I wasn't fully

10:13

isolated . I've got some really , really close , tight-knit

10:16

friends , but the rest of them were fairly

10:18

shallow because I couldn't actually connect on a core

10:20

level , because our ways

10:22

of thinking are just too different

10:24

. Then I got here and

10:27

started talking to you and Chris and

10:30

Jacob and Ronnie and

10:32

Carlos and the

10:34

other , chris and Marlon , and

10:36

I realized these people are like me

10:39

and

10:41

where I had like almost a social anxiety

10:43

, I had like a fear of shyness or like an

10:45

inadequacy feeling . I come

10:47

here and that is gone . And

10:50

when I say it's gone , there's no

10:52

trace . I'm able to communicate

10:54

with people on a core level

10:56

, as if we're brothers , as if we've

10:58

known each other for the past 10 years

11:00

, and there's

11:03

nothing like it . And again , that comes down

11:05

to being here at the core level of

11:07

something that was just brought to life . This

11:09

is spring , you come out of winter

11:11

and you enter spring and everything blooms and

11:13

it comes to life . That's here right now

11:15

. I just got to convince everybody

11:17

. You've got to come and visit and connect

11:20

with some people , because that will change

11:22

the trajectory of your entire life

11:24

or at the very least , it could take

11:26

some risks .

11:28

I think people feel other

11:30

bit corners here , feel , really feel that sentiment

11:32

like back home . It's a black sheep

11:34

, a bit pointer , not too many people interested

11:37

in . Yet , exactly , come here , you're meeting like

11:39

minded people and feels like we know each other for

11:41

such a long time because we both been interested

11:43

in the same thing for

11:46

a very long time . But

11:48

you did mention $10 million , so we're

11:50

going to go into everybody's favorite question

11:52

, which is price predictions , and

11:54

I just want to go . I don't want to go like

11:56

way down to the future , but I want to talk about because

11:59

we're like I think , 17 weeks from the next

12:01

Bitcoin having . There's a having party here

12:03

early April .

12:04

Come to the having party , come to the Bitcoin , come

12:07

to the beach breaker hotel , the best

12:09

Bitcoin hotel here . I'm telling

12:11

you you'll walk in . It's got Elzante . It's the only

12:13

new build here . It's by far the nicest

12:16

, by far . The chief is by far the best , and this is

12:18

where the having party is , and you've got to get your , your

12:20

booty , down here .

12:21

Yeah , Well , if I could just interject

12:23

, there's a official the

12:25

having Bitcoin . I forget the website , but it's havingpartycom

12:29

, or right .

12:29

Right , there's the official event .

12:30

Yes , yeah , yes , but there will be . That's

12:32

only two days long . It's like an all inclusive , just

12:35

meet and greet . Not a true conference

12:37

, but I think there's a conference afterwards . Yeah , come

12:39

for a week . This is a great place for folks to

12:41

stay too . I think that other place is a little pricey , so if

12:43

you're a traveler on a budget , this

12:45

is the place to be , absolutely .

12:47

And also , like I'm telling you

12:49

this , there's like I don't want to get

12:51

all weird and woo woo , but it's almost

12:54

on a spiritual level here , like in a the way

12:56

that you feel I don't know if it's the environment

12:58

or the people or the way that they take care of you , but

13:00

just being here I'm saying it , not this hotel full

13:03

regret , full regret . I mean

13:05

, I just spent all my time here because it's this

13:07

is the place to be and , of

13:09

course , the event you go to , the event you got

13:11

to be at the event . Just spend some

13:13

time here and connect to those people , meet Carlos

13:16

, and make those come meet me . I'll

13:18

be here and we'll make it happen .

13:20

So , between 2024 , 2028 , what's

13:23

your high prediction ? What's your low prediction ?

13:26

24 . Okay , so the next four years

13:28

. So here's

13:30

where I'm at , bro . I'm at 500,000

13:32

to like 10 million . All

13:36

right , so low in 500,000 , high

13:39

in 10 million , high in being a VTF

13:41

, sir . Approved , fair standards of accounting

13:43

are put into place . Apple

13:46

and these companies are able to put their treasuries

13:48

into Bitcoin so that they're low , no

13:50

longer holding 500 billion in cash . It's

13:52

appreciating a 10% per year

13:55

in purchasing power . Now they can

13:57

hold Bitcoin and actually receive

13:59

10 to 20% compounding

14:02

annually , and those are bearish numbers on

14:05

their capital . And then , as soon as , because

14:07

of security , they can actually take out loans

14:09

on those securities , meaning

14:11

they can use their liquidity at 1%

14:13

without having to sell their Bitcoin . They

14:16

never have to sell again

14:18

, which is why it's

14:20

going up forever .

14:22

So this is hyper-Bitcoinization

14:24

phase . You think this this ?

14:26

I , I , I'm . I've got a 80% probability

14:29

on hyper-Bitcoinization this this cycle

14:31

. Wow , that's where my money's

14:33

at . Just look at the cycle . Look at the political

14:36

geography . Look at everything

14:38

going along worldwide . China's falling

14:40

apart . China inflation is is

14:42

falling apart . They've got apartments that are for sale

14:45

45% off . You wait another three months , it'll be

14:47

75% off . This is China

14:49

, a really strong economic force in the world

14:51

. America it's the same thing . Candidates the

14:53

same thing . And the Netherlands I've talked to

14:55

people there . It's the same thing . In Germany

14:57

, prices are falling as well . And

14:59

this is this is what we're seeing . China

15:02

is absolutely the currencies

15:04

being devalued . Devalued

15:06

is absolutely destroying people's entire

15:09

incentive structure for their life . This is

15:11

the source of all the crime . This is the source of all of the

15:13

division . This is the source of all things . You fix the

15:15

money . You fix the world . It's like a cliche , but this is

15:17

a . This is where we're at , and if

15:20

you look at the climate , you can just

15:22

sense that we're on this precipice . Everyone's like , yeah

15:24

, but I felt it in 2022 . Okay , that's

15:26

great , but the logistics weren't in place

15:28

. There was no security . These

15:31

companies can't buy commodities . They

15:33

can buy securities . These companies can't take

15:35

out loans on commodities they can . On securities

15:37

I mean , they don't have to sell , they can

15:39

put it in their treasury very

15:41

easily , rapidly , and then , with the accounting

15:44

standards being fixed , now , when their Bitcoin's in

15:46

a drawdown , it goes back up . They don't have to say

15:48

forever it's in a drawdown like they

15:50

do right now . Next year

15:52

, as soon as it goes up now

15:54

, they can actually market as that appreciation again

15:56

. And so , when you see

15:58

all those things , there's no way for Apple

16:01

to move the needle to increase their revenue

16:03

more . There's not . They've done it , They've tried

16:05

it , they're doing everything , and so their

16:07

next step is going to be to buy Bitcoin . That

16:09

is going to increase their treasury dramatically

16:11

and it becomes this arms race . It

16:13

becomes this giant gamification

16:17

of hyperbitkonization

16:19

and I

16:21

really don't think that they're even going to have a chance

16:24

to roll out CBDCs

16:26

and all these things , because they

16:28

they shot their low too early and

16:30

Bitcoin is coming

16:33

in at just that moment where

16:36

they kind of like drew their

16:38

sword and their arm is up here and

16:40

it's like sorry , Bitcoin's right here with the

16:42

jab and just take them out .

16:44

So yeah , man

16:46

, I love your passion and in your again

16:48

, your sentiment is mimicking a lot

16:50

of the sentiment I'm hearing here around

16:53

this area . So you know

16:55

it's you're probably in the ballpark , it

16:57

sounds like , and you

16:59

know I pray that it goes . That does what

17:01

it does and this is the cycle to to onboard

17:04

everybody .

17:05

If it doesn't , we're going to see a very violent next four

17:07

years , incredibly violent

17:09

. We're going to see worldwide riots

17:11

, famines , governments

17:14

just absolutely looting their

17:16

own countries through inflation . We're

17:19

going to see absolute horrors . So

17:21

, yeah , I also pray that that does happen . And

17:24

also , you know everyone's like , oh , it's

17:26

a guess . Well , the reality is , if you take data

17:28

and you analyze it , you can make projections

17:31

with probabilities , and that's not a guess

17:33

, that's called a projection and what you're

17:35

doing is your . When you have enough data

17:37

, you get a superpower . That's

17:40

called foresight . Okay , if

17:42

you have have done enough repetitions

17:44

of one thing and you've seen how

17:46

, all the different ways that it could occur , you start

17:49

to be able to calculate and say , okay , I predict

17:51

this is going to happen . That's science and

17:54

it really is exactly the same with

17:57

Bitcoin .

17:58

You got a neat new hat today . Where's

18:00

my hat ? Where's your hat ?

18:02

I think it's over there .

18:03

Oh , it's there , Naive .

18:03

Bucket , la 2024 . If somebody wants to grab it

18:05

over there , I'll be happy to yeah .

18:06

Yeah , no , that was awesome and I

18:09

wanted one , but I think you got the last one . I think

18:11

they were sold out .

18:12

Yeah , they got sold out quick after I bought

18:14

that last one . Yeah , man , something happened , they got popular

18:16

real quick .

18:17

Yeah , I know you're a fan .

18:18

And they got sold out . I think they had two left

18:20

and they got sold out .

18:21

My , that's a sick hat , so I wanted to make

18:23

sure we got a shot at this . There we go , naive

18:26

Bucket , la with .

18:26

Bitcoin logo down .

18:28

Yeah .

18:29

Naive Bucket , la , with the Bitcoin logo , and

18:31

then we've got 2024 . That's when these get his

18:33

reelection . We've got DOS

18:35

, that's God , union , which is Unity , and Libertad

18:38

, which is freedom . And that's his three

18:40

, three points that he runs on , and

18:42

if you don't like that , then you're

18:44

a fucking loser .

18:48

Ben , I love your approach . You're , you're a very

18:50

like a candid speaker and you're not

18:52

afraid of being yourself and you're I

18:54

really feel like you're being yourself here . But

18:57

like , what's your like , what's your strategy

18:59

when you're talking to a normie , as they

19:01

say , a no-pointer , somebody coming

19:04

into this space with no background

19:06

knowledge ?

19:08

What is my like ? What's ?

19:09

my eyes for them , your strategy , or like

19:11

how do you ?

19:11

Oh , that's a great question . That's

19:14

a phenomenal question . So this is

19:16

lovely . Here's what I don't recommend

19:18

doing . If you want to orange pill somebody

19:21

, here's what you don't do Blah , blah

19:23

, blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah

19:25

, blah , blah . That's what they hear when

19:27

you start telling them stuff . Stop

19:29

telling people stuff . You need to stop now

19:32

. Okay , here's what you do . Instead

19:34

, you're going to ask Socratic questions

19:37

. Now , if you don't know what that is , I highly suggest

19:39

Googling it , because we're not going to get into it here , but

19:41

essentially it's just going to be questions that lead

19:43

to an answer that you already know . So

19:46

what you're going to do is you're going to try to get them to

19:48

identify a problem . So

19:50

here in El Salvador , we talked to a young gentleman . Boots

19:53

on the ground Maybe we can clip the footage in . We

19:56

were at the rave here in the

19:58

jungle and there was a young Salvadoran , 20

20:00

year old , super cool , speaks good English , smart

20:02

guy , and he kind of understood Bitcoin , but he's

20:04

still on the fence about it . And

20:06

I thought to myself was like , okay

20:09

, I've got to have the right approach with this guy . I can't just

20:11

tell him things . So I asked him . So

20:14

quick context El Salvador had to switch

20:16

from their cologne which is like their peso

20:19

, their money to

20:21

the US dollar , because the cologne was

20:23

completely devalued and it would cost tens of thousands

20:25

to even buy , like a loaf of bread type thing . So

20:29

they had that going on

20:31

and they had to actually switch to the US dollar

20:33

because that's infinitely more stable , right

20:35

? So that's the context . Now I

20:37

ask him why did you have to switch from the cologne to the US

20:39

dollar ? And he thinks he thinks he's like well

20:41

, because the economy broke . He

20:44

said , ah , that's not good . Why the economy

20:46

break ? He said , well , they were printing

20:48

and printing and then the prices were going

20:50

up and the economy broke . I said , oh , no , that's

20:52

a problem , isn't it ? He says , yeah , that's a problem

20:54

. Boom , okay , we've just identified a problem

20:57

. What that does is it subconsciously activates

20:59

his paying attention in his brain . There's

21:02

no way to get around it . It's like you're amygdala If

21:05

you identify a problem , you have to

21:07

look at it , and so as soon as you do that , it's

21:09

a subconscious deal . They're going to be receptive

21:11

. Okay , now we've got the problem established

21:13

, let's take it a step further

21:15

. Okay , so it broke the economy , so

21:18

you had to switch to the US dollar because they were printing so

21:20

much and it was inflating . What

21:22

if I told you that the US dollar

21:25

and the government and the central

21:27

banks are doing the exact

21:29

same thing

21:31

? And

21:34

he goes oh shit . And

21:37

then the whole deal is that's why

21:39

Bitcoin . And I said

21:41

because if they do print all the money

21:44

, what's going to happen to the US dollar

21:46

, like the Cologne ? And he says it's going

21:48

to go down . I said exactly . And

21:50

he goes that's why Bitcoin . And

21:53

he says Bitcoin is the new order . It's

21:55

more than just the money . It's a new way

21:58

. It's a new way of thinking , it's a new way

22:00

of being and man , for that 20 year

22:02

old kid to get it is absolutely

22:04

beautiful . But to circle

22:06

back to the question , you need to identify

22:08

a problem and introduce a solution . That's

22:10

the only way . Identify a problem , label

22:12

the problem , get off of the solution

22:15

. It's really sales , one on one . I've been in sales my

22:17

whole life and that's what you have to do . Stop

22:20

telling people stuff . Stop doing it . People

22:22

hate it . They tune you out . You're

22:24

actually going to do the opposite of grow Bitcoin . You're going to make people

22:26

fucking hate Bitcoin . Excuse my language , but it's

22:28

like it really destroys

22:31

people's care about Bitcoin . They're

22:33

like please shut up , bro , I don't get it

22:35

, I don't care , it's because it's

22:37

not a problem to them . When you get them to admit it's a problem

22:39

, they're like okay , I've got a fucking

22:41

problem , I got to deal with this . And

22:43

that has to be the mindset

22:46

and the system you take , or you're going to fail .

22:47

Right , right , yeah , and

22:51

I'm glad you referenced that conversation we have with those young Salvadorians because that

22:53

was really good , and I'm so grateful that you pulled

22:55

out your camera for that , because that's

22:57

something I'd like to review , because that was such a good

22:59

ground level conversation for

23:02

young people and

23:05

they were very critical thinking and open

23:07

towards it , and I

23:09

think we'll have to put that one out there . It

23:11

was such a good conversation . I want to put that one out there

23:13

separate and we'll link it .

23:15

We'll put the link in , and I was just worried . When we talked

23:17

to them I was worried they were really going to be tied asses , but

23:20

they weren't .

23:22

Yeah , yeah , no , I see what you're saying and you

23:24

know what , and I love your sales

23:26

experience and you're bringing it to the space

23:29

. That actually happened

23:31

earlier today when you

23:33

went out I don't know I think you were in Bagnos

23:35

or whatever and you

23:38

used that pitch when someone

23:40

with a no-coiner was asking about Bitcoin

23:43

and you identified a problem for them

23:45

. When you went out

23:47

to the washroom there , all of a sudden , she was

23:49

curious . She started asking questions

23:51

.

23:51

And she started asking me questions .

23:53

She was kind of annoyed with us talking about Bitcoin before , and

23:55

then she kind of got into an isolated manner where she

23:57

can speak one on one with somebody and

24:00

she probably asked 20 questions and

24:02

I was so happy to have been there

24:04

.

24:05

And what was the catalyst for her wanting to ask those

24:07

questions ?

24:09

Well , I'm saying it , was you planning that seed and

24:11

getting her to think about ? I want to be clear

24:13

though it wasn't about me .

24:15

It was purely about the fact that she

24:18

felt that she had identified a problem . Whether

24:20

I was the one who had introduced that to her is completely

24:23

irrelevant , because everyone can introduce like you

24:25

just have to make them realize . Because

24:27

when you make them realize with questions , they

24:30

are the ones realizing . When you're just

24:32

telling them the problem , they don't freaking

24:34

care . You got to get them to recognize

24:36

it themselves .

24:37

Yeah , yeah , I love that and

24:39

I'm definitely . That's probably the biggest thing I'm going to take

24:42

away from you in our experience

24:44

in El Salvador here . Now you

24:46

already mentioned Max Geyser . You know you're pinned on

24:48

his profile right now , which is super

24:50

cool You've been here for a couple of fucking days and

24:52

you're already pinned on Max Geyser . I

24:55

feel like everybody who's coming here , all Bitcoiners that

24:57

are coming here , good things are just happening to them .

24:59

No , no , it's a magical moment .

25:01

Yeah , so just on that , besides

25:03

him , you know , is there any other resources

25:06

or people you like to follow in this space ?

25:09

So no , there's not

25:12

. What there is is there's

25:14

people and connecting with them

25:16

, and there's nothing , absolutely

25:19

nothing , that's going to build my conviction more

25:21

in Bitcoin . And there's no

25:23

more pure signal than sitting here

25:25

at the Beachbreaker Hotel and

25:27

talking to you , and talking to Chris , and

25:30

talking to . Jacob

25:32

and realizing

25:35

all of the stuff that we're bringing

25:37

to the table . It clarifies it so

25:39

much . All of the bullshit falls aside . I

25:41

haven't thought about the price the whole time I've been

25:43

here . I don't care , because I just know where we're going

25:46

. But , like

25:48

I don't care at all , I know where

25:50

we're headed , and it's because I'm talking to you guys . I've

25:53

barely spent any time on Twitter . The

25:55

only thing I did is post that thing and then I got

25:57

the retweet from Max and the pin , because

26:00

I've just been so here with you guys

26:02

and that is what I like

26:04

to follow . And it really comes down to those core

26:07

principles . The core principles are you

26:09

need to get off zero . You need to get Bitcoin , and

26:11

really I don't like get off zero , I

26:13

like get on one . You need to get to

26:16

a Bitcoin . You got to hurry your ass up because

26:18

you're going to get priced out . You're not

26:20

going to be able to even sell your house to get a whole Bitcoin

26:22

in 18 months . You're

26:24

going to be screwed . So

26:27

you've got to be quick . You've got to have an

26:29

extreme level of urgency . You've got to get some Bitcoin

26:31

and then , once you've got that taken care

26:33

of , you need to start taking massive risks . Now getting

26:36

the Bitcoin . That is a massive risk , I'll give that to you . But

26:38

, like a massive risk for me is moving to El Salvador

26:41

okay , on a whim , and

26:43

I said I'm going and I'm going to make this

26:45

thing work . And when you start to take those risks

26:47

, when you take , it's like

26:49

you're blind and there's a fog of war and

26:51

you can't see the path in front of you . And you stand

26:53

up and you take a step and all of

26:55

a sudden , the path clears and you start

26:57

to realize this isn't dangerous . But

26:59

there's actually this , this beautiful

27:02

, almost magical

27:05

, miraculous path that

27:07

just unveils in front of you and it almost

27:09

feels as if the universe bends

27:11

itself to you when you take these massive

27:13

risks and it's a

27:15

really crazy concept

27:17

, but you've got to take massive risks

27:20

and then , once you've gotten some Bitcoin and you've taken

27:22

those massive risks , the next thing you've

27:24

really got to focus on is getting

27:26

some tools , and you've got to get whatever

27:28

tools is going to take for you to accomplish the goals

27:30

that you've got to get , depending

27:32

on if it's AI or in Bitcoin , or in technology

27:35

, or in fitness or in personal relationships

27:37

and all that kind of stuff . Those tools , whether

27:39

it's my drone or my six pack or my

27:41

cigarettes or whatever . They're all having

27:44

an effect . Ok

27:46

, cigarettes make you smarter , yeah

27:51

, now they take a little bit off the end of your life

27:53

, but you get that little buff right here and now

27:55

. You know what I mean . So Tool

28:00

and you know what else is tools these microphones

28:03

, your camera , my drone , you know

28:05

like all

28:07

of your connections are tools . You've

28:09

got to start to realize and quantify and analyze

28:12

exactly what your

28:14

tools are that are going to get you where you've got to be . You

28:16

know your tool might be a fucking gym membership

28:18

if you're a 300 pound swab , right

28:21

, you know what I mean . And you got to get that tool . And

28:23

you know what Better tools going to be a personal trainer and

28:25

maybe some OZempic gets your . You know

28:27

, get it done .

28:28

Yeah .

28:29

So Well , you got

28:31

to get the tools , yeah . And then the

28:33

last thing once you've got your Bitcoin

28:35

, you've taken massive risks . You've got

28:37

your tools all lined up . Is you need to ? You

28:40

need to with all your might and all your momentum

28:42

and all your force and all your vigor and all your heart

28:44

. You need to connect with people . You

28:47

need to do everything in your power to get

28:49

your , curate your environment , curate

28:52

your social media , so

28:54

that you are in a space where you can

28:56

free flow and free think , not be

28:58

nervous , and actually

29:00

connect with people on this core level

29:02

, because when all of the like

29:04

, all of the facades slip away

29:07

and you're just pure

29:09

, like we are right here , it's just

29:11

this heart to heart connection and it

29:13

opens all the doors . And when you hit those

29:15

four things , man , life becomes

29:17

magical , life becomes a miracle and life

29:19

becomes this journey that

29:22

you can't not enjoy

29:24

.

29:25

I love the connecting with people message and

29:28

I really resonate with that because coming

29:30

to El Salvador you know , creating content

29:33

in this space was a big goal of mine

29:35

and it's been so challenging because that's

29:37

all I've been doing is connecting with guys

29:39

like you and , you

29:41

know , exploring and there's

29:43

always another guy to connect with and they're

29:45

never ending . They just keep coming and

29:47

more staying , and the support that I've gotten

29:50

here has been has been overwhelming . But

29:52

, jonah , I'm going to open it up for you

29:54

If you have any last comments

29:57

or words of wisdom . If not , just

30:00

let us know where we can follow you and learn

30:02

more .

30:02

So here's the words of wisdom . The

30:06

reality is is that there

30:08

is nothing like Bitcoin . Every

30:10

other monetary system there is

30:12

period is sold

30:15

or enforced by a party . Now

30:18

Bitcoin is the only opt-in one that was given to

30:20

us in this immaculate conception method . What

30:23

is that ? So the story of the

30:25

Bible and Jesus . Doesn't matter whether or not you believe

30:27

it literally or not . In those ancient texts there

30:29

is wisdom . Now , the story of

30:31

Jesus is like a resurrection story

30:33

. And all of this right Now

30:36

. What you have to realize

30:38

is that with Bitcoin

30:40

, there's

30:44

the exact same concept of Jesus

30:46

not having a father . He was

30:48

born of a virgin . He

30:50

came out of nowhere

30:52

and changed the course of history

30:54

forever , probably more than any other man

30:56

in the world , whether or not you believe in the Christianity

30:59

and all this . So I

31:01

mean they changed the fricking date it's ADB

31:04

, you know , after death , before death and then

31:06

they tried to change it to BCE , right ? But so

31:09

this immaculate conception

31:12

of Bitcoin makes it very special , because Ethereum

31:14

was 70 percent pre-mind and

31:16

sold for Bitcoin . Hex , same

31:19

story . Solana , same

31:21

story . Vc investors charismatic

31:25

figure behind it , trying to get you

31:27

to believe that in some

31:29

way it is superior in some form , by

31:31

my shit . That's what they're saying . You

31:35

don't want to do that because that is

31:37

a system that's being sold to you . Now

31:40

. The fiat is not being sold to

31:42

you , it's being , it's

31:44

being forced upon you , so

31:47

saying if you're not going to involve in the fiat system

31:49

, you're going to end up in jail . If you're not going to pay your taxes

31:51

, it's going to be a problem . Bitcoin

31:54

is the only one that has that immaculate conception

31:56

and clearly you could probably tell I'm a little

31:58

bit of a spiritual type of person . I believe

32:00

in a lot of like really beautiful concepts

32:03

I've seen them play out in life and synchronicities

32:05

, and Bitcoin

32:08

is that synchronicity . Bitcoin

32:10

is that unique factor . Bitcoin

32:13

is that magic thing . I was listening to this

32:15

court case as I'm a nerd

32:17

, and the court case was about foreclosure

32:20

. He's getting foreclosed on his mortgage this was in the night

32:22

, I think the 1900s , okay and

32:25

he's suing the bank foreclosing on

32:27

his home because he says , no , you

32:29

can't foreclose and take my house because the

32:32

contract is not valid . Why is the

32:34

contract not valid ? In a contract

32:36

, there's something called consideration , and consideration is

32:38

an exchange of value between two parties

32:40

and without a consideration , there is no contract

32:43

. It's null and void . That's why I can't make you

32:45

sign a contract that says you're gonna be my slave

32:47

forever , no matter what , and you sign it and you're

32:49

fucked . No , there's no consideration . It's not a valid

32:51

contract . Okay , so

32:53

he says the reason that there is no consideration

32:55

, the reason this is not about a contact , is because I gave

32:57

you my $20,000 down payment and

33:00

then what you do and so a lot of people don't know this

33:02

what you did is you then

33:04

printed the rest of the money for my

33:06

house out of thin air . Now

33:09

, is that value ? Because the last time I checked

33:11

and this is what he says verbatim the

33:14

only one who can create something of value out

33:16

of nothing is God

33:18

, and I just thought to myself

33:20

this is way before Bitcoin . I thought , huh

33:22

, where the fuck did Bitcoin come from

33:24

? I

33:27

don't know who's Satoshi Right

33:30

, I don't know , but

33:32

I know that he came and he left us a gift

33:34

and he didn't try to force it on

33:37

us and he didn't try to sell it to us and

33:39

he didn't try to I

33:42

don't want to use this word , but I can't think of a . I

33:45

can't think of a better word . He didn't want , he didn't try to molest it

33:47

or like make it Dirty

33:51

or like change it , you know . So

33:54

there , there really is nothing out there like Bitcoin

33:56

. So , for all the people that have been brainwashed by

33:59

hex or XRP or all

34:01

of the different data and the sales pitches

34:03

they have , there are teams with

34:06

hundreds of millions of dollars Trying

34:08

to convince you of these things , so you buy

34:10

their coins with your Bitcoin

34:13

. What did they sell you the Ethereum

34:15

for ? It was for Bitcoin .

34:20

Everything is denominated in Bitcoin in the crypto

34:22

world . I agree , when I when I learned

34:24

that lesson , I was like wow , you know they're

34:26

. They're all just trying to get Bitcoin . At the end of the day , I

34:28

just need to start getting as much Bitcoin as I have

34:30

and stop stop shitcoining and and

34:32

I'm I'm very guilty of you know Shitcoining

34:35

when I first got into the space . I think a lot of people are

34:37

in the same boat as me .

34:38

That's the natural progression . Yeah , yeah , yeah

34:41

. If you're not a maxi , you're gonna end up driving a taxi

34:43

.

34:44

I love that , so don't do

34:46

it . Awesome man , cool man

34:49

, working , working folks follow you . Ledger

34:51

Jedi .

34:52

LED gr . Ge

34:54

. Sorry L E , I

34:57

got ran over by truck Going

35:04

on YouTube . They're fairly graphic , yeah

35:07

, but yeah so no

35:10

, yeah , I ledger . Jedi . It's like ledger , like a

35:12

Bitcoin ledger . Jedi like Star

35:14

Wars ledger .

35:14

Jedi Twitter , instagram .

35:16

Twitter and Instagram . I'm gonna

35:18

be working on a YouTube getting that up as well

35:20

. So , yeah , find me ledger

35:22

Jedi everyone . Yeah , and and for everybody out there

35:25

, you know you're very willing to connect with people

35:27

and absolutely , if you come , come down , hey

35:29

, come find me , I'm gonna be here , I'm gonna be living here , I'm

35:32

renting a spot . I'm so happy

35:34

to just connect you with all the people that I've been connected

35:36

with . The way that I looked at it Is when I moved here

35:38

, I was so confused . I didn't know how to get my visa

35:40

, I didn't know how to move and get the import stuff

35:42

, and it was so confusing . And I got here

35:44

, it was 9 pm and I'm lost and

35:46

I can't find the Airbnb and you know what

35:48

? Just Bitcoin is . Coming find me and they just like hey

35:50

, I had the same experience . I was so confused

35:52

, let me show you what's up . And in a matter of

35:55

48 hours , I'm like oh , I just know what's going on

35:57

. So you come here , you find me . I'm so

35:59

happy to show you the people

36:01

connect you , help you , get involved , meet

36:04

some people and just have a great time as well

36:06

. So , yeah , come , come , say what's up in Elzonte

36:09

, el Salvador , and

36:11

you will not regret it .

36:12

Awesome and pleasure Jedi everybody

36:14

. Do you remember the ? Do you remember the Salvadoran

36:17

? I do . Boom

36:19

, boom Good to

36:21

be back in El Salvador .