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sip of water. There we go.

2:16

Pardon me. So a

2:18

lot to talk about today, THERE'S

2:20

A LOT GOING ON. KIRES

2:22

AND ROCADI IS GOING TO JOIN US FOR THE

2:24

HOURS. WE'LL BE WITH HIM AND TO TAKE YOUR CALLS

2:27

if you wanna get in line and get

2:29

on the queue as it were. Also,

2:31

it looks like the REPUBLICAN party is facing kind

2:33

of their own Sophie's choice here. Trump

2:35

either runs as a REPUBLICAN

2:38

or as an independent, what will that

2:40

do to the Republican party? And Gikhi

2:42

Science Can the average person only trust

2:44

five people? This is fascinating. Just

2:46

a little footnote, and I caught this from

2:48

the writing this morning, the newsletter that

2:50

you know, summarizes what's going on on the

2:52

right wing in the blogosphere and

2:54

whatnot. And the latest

2:57

hysteria here ABOUT

2:59

JACK SNATH, THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR

3:01

WHO IS GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO DONALD TRUMP

3:03

AND FRIENDS. AND I HAVEN'T BEEN

3:05

ABLE TO CONFIRM THIS, BUT IT IS source

3:07

here is Newsweek. So I'm, you know, which is,

3:09

you know, under private ownership now,

3:12

but I believe is still fairly credible.

3:15

IS THAT JACSMATH IS MARYED TO A

3:17

WOMAN named KATIE CHAVIDJINY, CHE

3:20

VI GNY, HOWEVER YOU PRENOUNCE

3:22

THAT. and that she worked as

3:24

a producer on the movie becoming, which

3:26

was about Michelle Obama. And

3:28

she also donated to Joe Biden's twenty

3:31

twenty campaign. So, oh

3:33

my he's married to a Democrat. You

3:35

can tell right now, the meltdown is gonna

3:37

begin. They're gonna be investigating him in congress.

3:40

It's gonna go nuts. But, you know,

3:42

the larger question and one that I

3:44

think the Republican party is really struggling

3:46

with right now is, you know, the

3:48

only to CLARED REPUBLICAN FOR THE PRESIDENTENCY

3:50

IN twenty twenty four HAS NOT BEEN

3:52

A MEMBER OF CONGRESS IS DONALD TRUMP.

3:55

IN you and I both know he did this in

3:57

order to get around the department, which

3:59

frankly I think blew up in his face.

4:02

I don't think Jack Smith is gonna let him off the

4:04

hook at all. Plus, Jack Smith's

4:06

tenure may well outlast the Biden

4:08

presidency. But

4:10

in any case, HERE'S

4:12

DONALD TRUMP. AND

4:14

WHAT HAPPENS IF HE BECOMES THE REPUBLICAN

4:17

NOMINY I think it's

4:19

a virtual certainty that he loses

4:21

the White House. I mean, the Democrats would have

4:23

to run a really terrible candidate. but

4:27

it looks like, you know, Trump is a real

4:29

drag on the party right now. People are just

4:31

tired of him. And on the other

4:33

hand, if their AUGO PARTY DOESN'T EBRACE

4:35

HIM. HE MIGHT JUST WALK AWAY AND

4:37

SAY THAT HE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO

4:39

BE RUNNING AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDACY. which

4:42

would be kind of a cool thing, actually,

4:44

because it would take a lot of votes away from the

4:46

Republicans and guarantee a Democratic presidency.

4:49

So here you got, you know, Mike Pence and

4:51

Rhonda Santos and Nikki Haley and all

4:53

these others who wanna be president, presumably

4:56

Rick Scott and others. What are

4:58

they gonna do? I

5:00

mean, I I it looks to me like this

5:02

party is in a real crisis. We hear you

5:04

know, we read all this stuff about it. Democrats

5:06

in disarray. No. I think

5:08

it's the REPUBLICAN party that's in a panic

5:10

right now. So how do you

5:12

think this is gonna play out? This

5:14

is like kind of a Sophie's choice.

5:17

Also a quick geeky science for you on the

5:19

other side of the break. The average

5:21

person has five people in their lives

5:23

they trust. FAST NAME. Reporter:

5:28

THIS STUDY SAYS OR

5:30

Study FINDs. OR IS a

5:32

fascinating website every now and then they pop up

5:34

some of the most curious geeky

5:37

science stuff. In our geeky science for

5:39

today, The average American has

5:41

five people in their life

5:44

with whom they have a strong enough relationship

5:46

that they feel that they can basically lean on that

5:48

person or call on that person for anything.

5:51

It really got me thinking about this. I I

5:53

can think of maybe three people

5:57

in my life. And I

5:59

can extend that probably to another

6:01

three, but that's it. I mean,

6:03

really, there's probably only

6:06

six people that I'm really close to.

6:09

And they go out and out outside of their closed

6:11

circle, people have some of the best partnerships with

6:13

their neighbors and their VOTERS AND

6:16

NEARLY A THIRD OF EMPLOYED RESPONENTS

6:18

SAID THAT ONE OF THEIR STRONGEST PARTNER

6:20

SHIPS IS WITH A CO WORKER. thirty one

6:22

percent HALF OF THOSE

6:24

SURVADE TO USE TECHNOLOGY MORE DURING THE

6:26

HOLIDAY SEASON TO KEEP IN TOUCH THE LOVED ONES AND

6:28

OTHER TIMES A YEAR fifty one percent EVEN ATTRIBATE

6:31

THE CLOSEST of their relationships to

6:33

technology. I know two of my

6:35

best friends, one lives in Australia, one lives in

6:37

Israel. And every month

6:39

since the pandemic, we've gotten together

6:41

on Zoom. my other best friend

6:43

lives in New York, which just talk on the phone constantly.

6:46

And then I have some very close friends

6:48

here that I with whom I work with whom I've

6:50

worked for over a decade, particularly

6:52

Sean has been with me over fifteen years,

6:54

I think, and Nate over a decade, and

6:56

and we all love Joyce. But

6:59

it's It's, you know, it's

7:01

fascinating. They also said that some

7:03

people have relationships with

7:05

businesses eighty three percent of

7:07

Americans said that they they formed strong

7:09

relationships with small businesses, something

7:11

that doesn't happen with larger medium

7:14

sized businesses. Fast Canadian stuff.

7:16

Anyhow, so much for

7:18

geeky science. We've got a lot to talk about today.

7:21

Congressman Raucona is with us, he represents

7:23

a seventeenth District of California in the US House

7:25

of Representatives. He's Vice Chair of the

7:27

Congressional progressive caucus. He's the

7:29

author of a New Book Dignity in the Digital

7:31

Age. His

7:33

website is Khanah, KHANNA

7:36

dot house dot gov. You can tweet him at rep

7:38

row Khanah, r o Khanah.

7:40

and Congressman Conner, welcome back to the program.

7:42

It's been a while since we've talked you know,

7:44

what's what's on your mind today? Tom,

7:47

great to to Chad. I don't think

7:49

we've talked since the election. It was

7:51

a much better result than

7:54

we all expected. We're

7:56

now focused on the lame duck as soon as we

7:58

get back from Thanksgiving to make sure we increase

8:00

the debt ceiling so the has

8:02

done trying to sabotage the economy,

8:04

make sure we actually fund the National Labor

8:07

Relations board so we can

8:09

enforce the violations against

8:12

all these wonderful organizing

8:14

efforts at Starbucks, Amazon, Chipotle,

8:17

And then we should need to fund the Ukraine

8:19

eight because the Republicans have threatened in

8:21

the house not to do that. Do you think

8:22

you think it's gonna work? You think it's

8:24

gonna happen? You can get get stuff done?

8:27

I do. I I do think we'll succeed

8:29

on the debt ceiling. I think we will succeed

8:31

on the Ukraine. Thom NLRB

8:35

is a a bigger challenge. it

8:37

really matters. It's consequential, but it

8:39

hasn't gotten the attention that it it

8:41

needs. And it it requires about a hundred

8:43

million dollars of funding so that they can actually

8:45

protect workers who want to organize.

8:47

Is there any possibility

8:50

that the

8:52

the the twin legislation, the John

8:54

Lewis Rights Act, and the, you

8:56

know, the old HR one

8:59

America. What was it?

9:02

not forgetting the title of it. The of the

9:04

act. The democracy reform packet.

9:06

Yeah. The that those two pieces of

9:08

legislation, they are they passed

9:10

the house in the Senate. They were

9:12

defeated. But did Chuck Schumer

9:14

vote know so that he could bring them back up? Or is

9:16

there some way that they could be brought up. Is

9:18

there any possibility of some arm

9:20

twisting? Maybe offering Kirsten

9:22

Cinema a a an

9:24

ambassadorship someplace if she'll

9:26

just resign and let let the

9:28

next Colorado Democratic

9:30

governor appoint somebody to replace her.

9:32

And and well, I don't know if

9:34

that's the thing to do, but whatever. I mean,

9:36

is there anyway to make this happen.

9:38

Yeah. While the four of the people act in the

9:40

voting rights act -- Yeah. -- of the you know,

9:42

we the the challenge is, as

9:44

you know, into Arizona cinema and

9:46

and and and mansion have

9:49

remained opposed to any former

9:51

former on the filibuster. And so

9:53

I I think they should make it a another

9:55

go at it. They try every possible

9:58

thing. But it is it's

10:00

been difficult because you've got two

10:02

holdouts. And in this case, it's not that they're

10:04

other holdings. I would literally think there are

10:06

Thom those two individuals are holding

10:08

up these bills.

10:10

Yeah.

10:10

It just seems like it's so important. I mean, deal Thom

10:14

particularly for the People Act, which deals with,

10:16

you know, money and

10:18

politics. It it deals with a gerrymandering

10:20

you know, I'm I my understanding is

10:23

that more or less on the

10:25

on the neighborhood of ten, maybe as many as

10:27

fifteen seats in the house right now are occupied

10:29

by Republicans that would have been occupied by

10:31

Democrats if states had simply

10:34

not as radically

10:36

gerrymandered as they had. Three states did it in

10:38

defiance of court and and the

10:40

governors of the just Thom states just said, hey, screw you

10:42

to the courts, try and enforce it. And

10:44

and when I head with Jerry mandatory districts

10:46

anyway, I mean, it seems

10:49

so important to deal with that. Howard Bauchner:

10:51

Absolutely. But

10:52

Thom the the the Jeremy and we would have

10:54

a majority if it weren't for Jerry

10:56

Madrig. I mean, a district like Tom Thom. We

10:58

would have won in New Jersey. We wouldn't have

11:00

the the same consequences in

11:03

Florida. I mean, people forget that

11:05

Florida was consequence of desantis

11:07

basically doing the most part isn't

11:09

redistricting. It wasn't just winning

11:12

elections. And then the money I mean, the

11:14

dark money, millions of

11:16

dollars of dark money coming into these

11:19

seats is also incredibly

11:22

distorted of the process. You

11:24

know, the chair REPUBLICAN complaining that

11:26

they were outspent in some of these seats. They should

11:28

join us in just saying,

11:30

prohibit corporate money into elections

11:32

and have restrictions

11:34

on private money coming in, but,

11:36

of course, not a single Republican

11:39

supports any of the campaign

11:41

finance reforms. Yeah. It's truly

11:43

tragic. let's pick up some phone calls here.

11:45

Congressman Cona is with us for the

11:47

hour taking your calls in our National Town

11:49

Hall meeting. David, in Columbus,

11:51

Ohio, you are on the air with Congressman

11:53

Cona. Hello,

11:53

congressman. I gave

11:55

to a lot of Democratic candidates

11:58

across the country. Do

11:59

you see and most of them said

12:02

they do not take corporate money.

12:04

Do you see a trend away from

12:06

taking corporate money toward more

12:08

progressive candidates? And I

12:10

think the Democrat's strength is their

12:13

volunteers. They can get thousands

12:15

and thousands of volunteers not corporate

12:17

money. So what do you think?

12:19

I do. I mean, when I I

12:21

am not taking a dollar in my whole career, not

12:24

just a corporate money. It's any back money. I

12:26

for one or seven members, it does doesn't take

12:28

back money. But I'd

12:30

see an increased move of

12:32

not taking corporate money. I don't think,

12:34

unfortunately, that's the solution. And the

12:36

reason that is on solution is that let's say you

12:38

get even a hundred, a hundred fifty

12:40

members of economists who take

12:42

that pledge. You what you have is

12:44

big oil and pharma in these

12:46

insurance companies, targeting

12:48

the one or two members on the

12:50

relevant committees to stop

12:52

the progressive popular

12:54

legislation. So even if you

12:56

have a hundred, a hundred and fifty

12:58

members who have taken this pledge is better

13:00

than nothing, but

13:02

it's not solving the

13:04

systematic problem of why we can't get

13:06

Medicare for all, why we can't get

13:09

windfall Cox on big oil.

13:11

We really need comprehensive

13:14

campaign finance reform. Howard Bauchner:

13:16

Katie,

13:16

in Seattle, you're on the air with the the congressman,

13:19

Connor.

13:19

Good morning.

13:20

My question regards seats

13:23

on airplanes. I'm a small

13:25

woman. I just flew a couple

13:27

weeks ago.

13:28

and I cannot even

13:30

reach to get something

13:32

underneath the seat because my

13:34

arms aren't long and up in flight.

13:36

my concern is that in the

13:38

event of an emergency, I don't think we're all going

13:40

to be able to get out of there with the seat

13:43

packed in as tightly as they can.

13:45

Are you doing something about this in Congress right

13:47

now? Thank you. Well,

13:49

Katie,

13:49

let me raise

13:51

your concern, but generalize and that is

13:53

that I'm hearing from many people

13:55

that they don't feel their rights are being

13:58

respected as passengers. And I do think that

14:00

they we should be looking at

14:02

a passenger bill of rights. in the

14:04

next congress. Both what do we need to

14:06

do to make sure people are safe, their gonna

14:08

lives of their size, what do we need to do

14:10

to make sure that you don't have

14:12

cancellations of flights without just

14:15

compensation. What do we do to make

14:17

sure that people aren't treated

14:19

respectfully and comfortable? And I

14:21

do think some kind of passenger bill

14:23

of rights would be a good initiative in

14:25

the next Congress. Congressman

14:28

Roe Congress with this for the

14:30

hour taking your calls in a national progressive

14:32

town hall meeting, congressman Conner, the

14:34

Vice Chair of the Congressional Progressive

14:36

caucus, representing the

14:38

the the seventeenth district of the State

14:40

of California and the US House of Representatives.

14:42

We'll be right back with more of your calls

14:44

for congressman comment in just

14:45

a moment. You

14:51

can find

14:51

congressman Conner's website Cona KHANNA

14:55

dot house dot gov. You can tweet him at rep

14:57

pro Cona.

15:01

This

15:04

is the Tom Hartman program.

15:06

Our book today in the Tom Hartman Club

15:08

is seek and hide the tangled

15:10

history of the right to privacy by

15:12

Amy Gajda. I hope

15:14

I'm pronouncing that right. This is from

15:16

the introduction. It was seen

15:18

that a pair of Tights and a snap camera

15:20

started at all. That's because the scandal

15:22

is leg gear and the troubling new

15:24

technology. Gotta mention the fourth paragraph

15:26

of an eighteen ninety law

15:28

review article by the attorney's

15:30

Lewis Brandeis and Sam

15:32

Warren, one that many say marked the

15:34

start of the legal right to privacy in

15:36

the United States. The law partners wrote that

15:38

a theatrical performance that same year had

15:40

sparked a somewhat notorious

15:43

case. The story goes

15:45

that Marion Manola Singer

15:47

actress and star of Broadway's castles in

15:49

the air wore gray silk

15:51

tights as a provocative part of

15:53

her art. Tights back then

15:55

set tongues wagging. They had a

15:57

sensual clang at a time when

15:59

women wore thick dresses that plunge to

16:01

the ground and sacheted around

16:03

there so that no one much knew what

16:06

shoes looked like either. Tights on

16:08

a stage actress allowed men to see the

16:10

curves from her hips to her toes.

16:12

Such distraction was not universal

16:14

however, and Manola's silken

16:16

legs failed to move the day's theater

16:18

critics. Castles in the air

16:20

is a, quote, perfect abyss of

16:23

weariness was the evening

16:25

world's assessment. The New York Times called

16:27

it an apparent failure But

16:29

Manola's trim and attractive figure

16:31

kept audiences coming nonetheless. The

16:33

theater manager recognizing even

16:35

media marketing potential WISH TO

16:37

CAPTURE AN IMAGES MONOLA IN

16:39

HER UNSOMBLE. SHE IS MY CHIEF'S

16:41

SUPPORTERNEAU WAS HIS PUBLIC EXPLONATION.

16:44

Newspaper headlines from Friday, June

16:46

thirteenth eighteen ninety made

16:48

clear that Manola absolutely positively

16:51

refused. New York,

16:53

colon. She won't be taken in

16:55

Tights. Chicago will not be

16:57

photographed in Tights. In

16:59

Boston, The Globe put a patronizingly.

17:01

Miss Manola in distress will

17:03

resign rather than be photographed in

17:05

her tights. Live performance

17:07

was one thing, but STILL PHOTOGRAPHY

17:09

SEEMED AN ENVATION ENTIRELY

17:12

DIFFERENT. THEN

17:12

CAME TROUBLE, JUST AS ANY CAREFUL

17:15

READER WOULD HAVE EXPECTED. Quite literally the next

17:17

evening as Manola ran toward the

17:19

open arms of a co star in the second

17:21

act, a flash of light and a puff of

17:23

smoke erupted from the Broadway Theatre's

17:25

balcony. Thom manager had placed a snap

17:27

camera in an upper box.

17:29

A photographer had captured Manola

17:31

and the not slender, not

17:33

too plump, the Grace and shapely

17:36

contents of the darker gray tights.

17:38

News coverage of the outrage appeared

17:40

at about the speed of the snap

17:42

flash. quote, the million and a half people

17:44

in New York are not bothering themselves about the

17:46

silver bill, the federal election law, or the other

17:48

issues which interest the country at large, Atlanta

17:50

Constitution reported. New Yorkers have nothing

17:53

in view, but miss Manola's tights.

17:55

And just at present, they are discussing

17:58

nothing else. WOMEN RALLIED TO

17:59

MONOLA'S CAUSE Crediting HER FOR STANDING

18:02

FIRM AGAINST A CLEAR MAIL

18:04

DESIR TO EXPLOYD A

18:06

WOMAN'S CHOICE. The entire sympathy of

18:08

all of her sex and the best of the community

18:10

stood with the actress. Some

18:12

men, on the

18:12

other hand, struggled to understand why this

18:14

particular photo was such a big deal.

18:17

THEY'D SEEN MANOLA'S SILKEY LAGS BEFORE, NOT

18:19

ONLY ON BROADWAY, BUT ON CABINET

18:21

CARDS PUBLISHED WHEN SHE START IN

18:23

THE RISCE BOKOXIIO. Her

18:27

tunic back then supported a

18:29

tantalizing fringe that covered her pelvic

18:31

region just so with tight light

18:33

tights doing the

18:34

rest of the work.

18:35

We'll never know what Manila's legs look

18:38

like during her castles in the air performance,

18:40

however. A judge immediately

18:42

sided with the actress HER SEX AND THE

18:44

COMMUNITY'S BEST AND ORDERED THAT THE

18:46

MANAGER NEVER EVER DEVELOPED THE PHOTOS

18:48

LET ALONE PUBLISH IT. and

18:50

the story might have ended there. But the idea of

18:52

that personal invasion fit perfectly

18:54

into a narrative building in the mind of

18:56

the attorney Sam Warren in

19:00

Boston. Warren saw a different

19:02

sort of marketing potential in

19:04

Manola's legs. The viral tale could

19:06

help support his call for what

19:08

he called a newfangled right

19:10

to privacy. This was solid proof that

19:12

cameras could and people would

19:14

capture embarrassing images from

19:16

real life far beyond the

19:18

woodblock portraits that already tormented

19:20

the rich and powerful back

19:21

then. Heck,

19:22

the so called snap or detective

19:24

Camber was even marketed in such a

19:26

privacy invading way. Ads promised

19:28

that it could record the countenance impose

19:30

of an unsuspecting victim who

19:32

would be

19:32

unaware until it was too

19:35

late. Missus Grover Cleveland,

19:37

a friend of Warren's, had

19:39

it particularly bad. She was,

19:41

quote, haunted by amateurs, end

19:43

quote, headlines read, the dozens of hopeful

19:46

photographers who waited for a glimpse of the

19:48

first lady. Some of

19:49

their cameras were shaped like purses.

19:51

Others look so much like handguns that people could have shot to

19:54

kill a paparazzo nobody would

19:56

have questioned it even for a

19:58

second. The autograph the seeking

20:00

fans who similarly

20:02

frenzied around the French actress Sarah

20:04

Bernhardt to invade her privacy during

20:06

her US tour in the eighteen

20:08

eighties, THEY NOW HAD A WEAPEN MUCH MIGHTIER

20:10

THAN THE PIN. TODAY

20:12

eighteen ninety PLEA FOR THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY

20:14

WRITTEN BY WARREN AND HIS LAW PARTNER,

20:16

THE FUTURE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE

20:18

BRANDISE is

20:19

used to support legal protection, not only

20:21

for the haunted and the haunted, but

20:23

also

20:23

to justify protection for everything from

20:25

sexual intimacies and private scandals,

20:28

to police eavesdropping and computer

20:30

data. Judges

20:31

routinely law ed the reasoning and quote

20:33

the language of the right to privacy

20:36

IN

20:36

PUBLICATION CASES AS WELL

20:39

AS IN CASES INVOLVING PRESIDENTIAL

20:41

PRIVILEGE, CIVIL RIGHTS, DRUG

20:43

TESTING, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION and

20:45

many others. The

20:47

book is seek and hide

20:49

by Amy Geister, the

20:51

tangled history of the right Thom privacy.

20:54

And welcome back, Jim in Long Beach, California. You

20:56

are on the Earth, representative, Connor.

20:59

Good morning,

20:59

gentlemen. Hey. Hey, I

21:02

have

21:03

question, will the house

21:06

bring

21:06

up the

21:08

house resolution eighty seven

21:10

to stop funding Saudi's in

21:13

Yemen? Great

21:13

question. Let's see what he has to

21:16

say. Well,

21:16

Jim, as you know, Bernie Sanders and I

21:18

led the war powers resolution that

21:21

passed against refueling Saudi planes. This is something

21:23

I've been passionate about for six

21:25

years by whole time in Thom. I'm now

21:27

leading with Bluemithal resolution

21:29

to stop arm cells to Saudi Arabia.

21:31

I support any

21:34

restrictions on giving them more weapons. And I was

21:36

disappointed that the administration

21:38

gave immunity to

21:40

MBS for the crimes

21:42

that he has committed against

21:44

Khashoggi and in Yemen. So

21:46

we will continue to build support

21:48

to hold Saudi Arabia accountable.

21:50

Mark in

21:51

Long Beach, you're on the Earth, Congress, and a lot of

21:53

calls from Long Beach, you're on the Earth, Congress,

21:55

and Canada. Yes, mister Conner.

21:57

Two quick questions for you. The

21:59

first one is twelve

22:02

Republicans in the Senate broke the filibuster.

22:05

to protect the gay marriage. And

22:08

Chuck Schumer said that

22:11

they're going to do it. before

22:14

the Republican state control of the

22:16

house. Do you know when the vote is

22:18

gonna be taken for the Senate and the

22:20

House? That's my first question. I

22:23

imagine the first week or second week

22:25

that we're back, but I'm very confident that

22:27

this will pass. Howard Bauchner: Alrighty. We

22:29

get one question a John and

22:31

Kashmir Washington. Hey, John. You're on the Earth with

22:34

Garishmentcona. Good morning. I

22:36

called in to Tom Thom and

22:38

spoke with either of the congressman

22:40

McCanno or Congressman

22:43

McCann over a year

22:45

ago. And I asked basic

22:47

question of what is being

22:49

done to Trump prove the presidency. Now

22:52

remember, okay, it was

22:54

given. I

22:57

think you've I don't believe that

22:59

anything has been done in Congress. I

23:01

think all emphasis has been toward the

23:03

DOJ acting, which they

23:05

haven't moved very fast. there's

23:07

one basic thing that could have been done is

23:10

require all federal candidates

23:13

to disclose their

23:15

tax returns. visible to others. I've

23:17

never done that. Well, John,

23:19

I

23:19

obviously support that. challenge

23:21

is that you wouldn't get the

23:23

Republican support for that in the filibuster,

23:25

approved Senate, and that's the unfortunate

23:27

thing about not eliminating

23:29

the filibuster. Well, we will get

23:31

done. I'm pretty hopeful in the

23:33

lined up as the electoral counties reform

23:36

to make sure that the states actually

23:38

have to honor when GOP popular

23:40

vote in that state. Congressman

23:42

wrote Cona is with us for the hour taking your

23:45

calls. We'll be back with more of your calls for

23:47

Cona in just a moment. You can check out his

23:49

website at cona dot house dot

23:51

com.

24:00

Welcome back,

24:01

I just

24:04

remember, O'Connor. We're O'Connor

24:05

taking your calls for the hour David and Woodland

24:07

Hills. You're on the air with representative,

24:09

Connor. Thank you.

24:10

I have a question about that

24:13

program where the doctors can

24:15

change you to Medicare Advantage

24:17

without your knowledge. First

24:20

of all, what's the name of that program? And

24:22

that's not my question. It's

24:23

a restriction. I

24:26

mean, it's a don't know

24:28

but what they're doing is a

24:30

pilot program where they're basically

24:32

forcing people I think it's

24:34

called ACO Reach. Yeah. There

24:36

you go. Okay. So

24:37

here's my question. If my doctor

24:39

does that and I continue to

24:41

pay my Medigap premiums,

24:45

aren't I then in both programs

24:47

kind of like having two life insurance

24:50

policies? That's a

24:51

great question. I mean, the

24:54

challenge is, what

24:56

happens if you then try to go back to Medicare?

24:58

because one of the challenges of going back

25:00

and forth between Medicare is that

25:02

Medigap Thom can discriminate against you, then I'll

25:04

have to give you the insurance. So my

25:06

guess is that you're paying the Medigap

25:08

insurance to keep

25:10

it at an extra cost to

25:12

what you're already doing. It's why this

25:14

shouldn't be happening without consent and all

25:16

VOTERS have opposed many of the

25:19

progressive them oppose the ACL reach

25:21

program.

25:21

Johnny in New York City are on the air with

25:24

representative Connor. How are

25:26

you doing today? Hi,

25:28

Johnny. Hey, here's

25:30

my question. Is the

25:32

Democratic party as a

25:34

white male Uning Guy,

25:36

how do you expect me to support

25:38

your party anymore when you

25:41

vilify the white male? every

25:43

time you turn on the

25:45

the TV, the Democrats are

25:47

on TV, you're talking about

25:50

white supremacy this,

25:52

racism that, white

25:54

male this, white male that, how

25:56

do you expect me to to even

25:59

vote for anybody.

25:59

And you have Democratic school

26:03

boards run by Democrats

26:06

who force transitioning to

26:10

children. And if you speak

26:12

out about it, you're vilified.

26:14

How Sorry, I

26:15

thought Johnny was done. I think you got

26:17

his point. Well,

26:18

Johnny, I well, first of all, I'm I

26:21

I suggest you look at my speech

26:23

or op ed on economic patriotism.

26:25

It's all about bringing back manufacturing jobs.

26:28

It's all about this view that we made

26:30

a huge mistake in this country

26:32

by all touring all our production, hollowing

26:34

out communities. We don't make

26:36

steel here. We don't make aluminum here. I

26:38

wanna bring those jobs back and I have a

26:40

plan for how we do that. gonna

26:42

help back because that's gonna help the white

26:44

working class. It's gonna help the black working class.

26:46

Latino working class. It's gonna make it

26:49

a stronger and economically more more

26:51

prosperous. So I would argue that our

26:53

policies are good for working

26:55

class people regardless of

26:57

price On your point about trans kids, I mean,

26:59

I believe that trans children deserve

27:02

basic rights to be able to

27:04

do whatever their parents think is

27:06

necessary and that their doctors think

27:08

they're necessary. And no one

27:10

that I know in a school board

27:12

is trying to make that decision. What

27:14

they're trying to say is, let

27:16

people decide with their families

27:18

and doctors. What's right for them?

27:20

I remember when Republicans used a

27:22

campaign on parental rights. It's

27:25

apparently not anymore. David, in

27:27

Canterbury, Connecticut, David, you're on the other

27:29

representative, Donna.

27:30

Rivertown and Collaric, it's great he

27:32

got reelected and we got four more progressives in

27:34

the house and that's great. We GOP to

27:36

keep going. My question is, with the

27:38

January sixth committee coming to an end, I

27:41

know there were quite a few congresspeople. Congress

27:44

creditors involved in the in the

27:46

insurrection itself. Do you have

27:48

any knowledge about what's going on

27:50

-- may go on with the

27:52

prosecutor, Jack Smith, and if there's

27:54

any rumblings anything going to be

27:56

done about these folks in Congress and

27:58

I'll wait for your answer. Thank you

27:59

very much much. You know, I

28:01

don't have knowledge and that's a good thing because

28:04

I chose the Justice Department really is

28:06

keeping this independent. They don't consult us.

28:08

They don't tell us anything in Congress. And

28:10

I have said to my colleagues, I think the less

28:12

we say, the better. they're Thom bit

28:14

professional, then they need to show that this is

28:16

an independent investigation, and they're

28:18

following the law and the facts. And

28:20

I I think they will. Mary in

28:21

Elk Grove village, you're on the air with

28:23

representative, Connor. Oh,

28:25

thank you. Thank you both for what you do.

28:27

A couple of weeks ago, maybe a

28:29

week or so, OCO. I was watching television.

28:32

And I saw the advertisement for

28:34

WellCare.

28:37

and it sounded eerily familiar.

28:39

It sounded almost verbatim

28:41

what the Medicare

28:44

Advantage commercials our advertising.

28:46

And I know that you guys have a bill

28:48

on saying that Medicare

28:50

Advantage cannot use

28:52

word Medicare, but

28:54

it's this new program,

28:57

and this is very smart of them.

28:59

Are they trying

29:01

to backdoor little programs

29:03

by just switching up the names. Are they

29:04

rebranding?

29:06

Yeah. Well, I thank you for

29:08

raising that, and I'll look into it.

29:11

But At the very least, we can agree that they shouldn't be calling Medicare

29:13

Advantage or Medicare. It's just two

29:15

different programs. I mean Medicare

29:18

Advantage You can't go see any In

29:21

Medicare Advantage, you don't have the

29:23

same guarantee on

29:25

your catastrophic coverage.

29:27

taking place, and you have to seek prior authorization.

29:29

You get a lot of claims denied, but that's

29:31

not the case with Medicare. So call

29:33

it private insurance, call it what it

29:36

is. and that's what Mark quote can and my bill

29:38

does. How's that bill doing, by the

29:40

way? You know, we we're trying to first

29:42

get support among progressives, which I think

29:44

we will. And then next congress

29:46

build broader support. But I'm I'm hoping this

29:48

is not just a progressive issue. This

29:50

should I mean, progressive is

29:52

a view that we need Medicare expanded.

29:54

let's certainly call something honestly

29:57

what it is. That could be old old

29:59

democrats or

29:59

basically consumer protection. Yeah. Yeah. The New

30:02

York Times actually has done a good job of

30:04

calling this out. We'll be right back

30:06

with with more of your calls for Congress and

30:08

Roe Connor in just a moment. You're

30:10

listening to the Tom Hartman program.

30:13

Representative Connor's vice chairman of the congressional

30:15

progressive caucus. He represents California's

30:17

seventeenth district, Connor dot house dot gov,

30:19

and rep pro Connor

30:21

on Twitter.

30:36

back to our progressive national

30:39

progressive town hall meeting with congressman Roe Kanav,

30:41

Vice Chair of the Congressional progressive

30:43

caucus of Charles in Gold Hill. You're on the air Gold

30:45

Hill Oregon. You're on the air with congressman

30:48

Connor. Hello, gentlemen.

30:49

I have one statement and two

30:52

questions. My statement is to

30:54

medicare dot gov. It

30:56

steers people to Medicare

30:58

Advantage. I was on the website yesterday.

31:00

And my question for Roque Cona is

31:02

why is not the fourteenth

31:05

amendment, section three, and section four

31:07

being enforced? Section

31:09

three dealing with the insurrectionists that are

31:11

in office and running for

31:13

office and section four being the debt

31:15

filling that cannot be questioned why

31:17

do we just not ignore the debt feeling and

31:22

adhere to the constitution? I

31:24

agree with

31:25

you on section three of the fourteenth

31:27

amendment. I've been calling for that. People like

31:29

Jamie Braskin has been calling for that.

31:31

It would basically bar insurrectionists

31:33

from running for office. it was used after the civil

31:35

war, and we should be more aggressive, but

31:37

it still would take majorities at

31:40

least in the House and Senate to

31:42

be able to do On the debt ceiling, I

31:44

do think I'm open to looking at

31:46

any avenue that's constitutional Thom wouldn't

31:50

require us continually to raise

31:52

it because it just become a political

31:54

football. Howard Bauchner: Dan, in

31:55

Miami, you are on the air with

31:58

congressman Conner.

31:59

Hi, thank you very much. I have a

32:02

follow-up to the question about the

32:04

insurrectionists among you

32:06

in Congress. Why is it

32:08

that, well, first of all, you have

32:11

a committee that's supposed to be

32:13

looking into whether there are

32:15

any insurrections within the

32:17

House rules. Article

32:20

one, section five of the constitution,

32:23

establishes that the CHOOSE can set rules

32:25

on who the members might be. And

32:28

second of all, even

32:31

if they haven't

32:33

really finished investigating

32:36

whether there are members

32:38

who are insurctionists Why don't you just

32:40

offer a resolution to the

32:43

effect that everyone

32:45

who is a member of Congress should not be

32:47

an insurrectionist and see who votes for

32:49

it. That's

32:51

a great idea. I mean, I I do think

32:53

I think that kind of resolution would

32:56

be a good thing. But, you know, you'll have

32:58

a number of the extremes of the Republicans

33:00

REPUBLICAN it and Thom it out

33:03

there saying that they're being

33:05

victimized. I mean, that is the grievance politics

33:07

that they've been running in. I think what's

33:09

more important is that the justice

33:11

department does work and press

33:13

forward with people who actually

33:15

aided and abetted

33:17

CHOOSE who stormed the capital and rioted

33:19

at the capital. Janet

33:21

and Strongsville, Ohio, you're on the

33:23

air with the representative Connor.

33:25

Tom, thank you for taking my call and

33:28

also thank you, representative Connor.

33:30

I Just real quick, I want to just say you

33:32

have no idea the tsunami

33:34

of ads every day, all

33:36

day into the evening

33:39

Thom Medicare Advantage. So please, please

33:41

keep you and representative poke in.

33:43

Keep after that bill, please.

33:46

It's as if we're having something again taken away

33:48

from us. But my question for you I

33:50

have to do with Nancy Pelosi

33:53

for retirement, well, not retirement,

33:55

but her giving up leadership. And

33:57

all I ever hear about is

33:59

someone named Joaquin Jeffries.

34:01

I'm wondering why you aren't running for

34:04

leadership. I mean, I look at what you stand

34:06

for and there's so many other fine

34:08

progressives. Why does

34:10

it have to be sort of crammed on us, Rojo King Jeffries

34:12

from the State of New York. And

34:14

I'll take my answer off here and have a great

34:16

thanksgiving by

34:18

the way. Yeah.

34:18

Well, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Thank you for bringing

34:21

it up the Medicare Advantage. I

34:23

mean, more info can and I I

34:25

think he would share this part

34:27

of the reason we did this bill is all of

34:29

the listeners on Tom Thom that we're hearing

34:31

from around the country where this is a

34:33

major issue. And both he and I are absolutely

34:36

committed to pushing this, trying to

34:38

get it to pass. And if it doesn't

34:40

pass, bringing this up with

34:42

HHS secretary to Thom crack

34:45

down on Medicare Advantage misrepresenting

34:48

it. You know, I would love to have

34:50

progressives in leadership for

34:52

Melodopa almost person we were

34:54

getting behind. I I

34:56

candidly think it's unfortunate that there

34:58

is not a strong progressive

35:00

in leadership But I like the

35:02

king Jeffries. I wanna give the new leadership team a a chance

35:04

to succeed, to build

35:06

bridges, and my hope

35:08

is in that we continue

35:10

to work to get progressives elected. We've

35:12

done we've done a great job getting progressives

35:14

in Congress with Bernie Sanders

35:16

and Elizabeth Warren. We've done a great

35:18

job sort of shaping the agenda. Now we just

35:20

need to win in some of these leadership

35:23

positions so that progressives are

35:25

in decision making roles. Elynor

35:27

in Staten Island, New York? Yes. Thank you. I wanna know if

35:29

we can ever get rid of

35:31

the undemocratic electoral college.

35:35

Elegor, I

35:35

agree with you. It is

35:38

undemocratic. My sentence is the best way to

35:40

get rid of it instead of a

35:42

constitutional amendment, which is

35:44

what it'll take is this informal compact where if enough

35:46

states can agree that they'll

35:48

vote for the popular vote

35:50

winner no matter what happens

35:52

in their

35:54

state and you get to two seventy, that will be

35:56

the way to do

35:59

this. And I forget

36:01

what count they're at, but eventually,

36:03

I do think we'll get to two hundred

36:05

and seventy. Cindy

36:06

and Bayview, Idaho, you're on the

36:08

air with Representative Connor. Oh, I

36:11

really appreciate this show. I'm up here

36:13

where equals abortion is illegal now. And

36:15

I was just wondering

36:17

if the Indian reservations couldn't

36:20

somehow finagle Thom way to make it

36:22

legal because they have -- in Idaho, we

36:24

do have gambling at

36:26

the reservations. City,

36:28

I

36:28

don't know the legality of that. I know that we've looked

36:31

at putting clinics on federal land.

36:33

I don't know what the rules

36:36

are with the tribes and what could be done, but

36:38

it's certainly worth looking into. Norm

36:40

in Tampa, Florida, you're on the

36:41

air with representative,

36:44

Connor. Yes, representative, Connor.

36:45

I I wanted my question is is

36:47

I wanna know when is Congress gonna

36:49

do something to reign

36:51

in the abuses of

36:53

the United States Drug Enforcement Agency.

36:56

And as we speak right now,

36:58

I have a case before

37:00

the that has been docketed

37:02

and as in discussion before the United States Supreme Court,

37:04

case 226 thousand, you can

37:06

look at this, that talks about

37:09

this very same issue where

37:11

they have gone on and targeted doctors

37:14

and they do not have the authority to

37:16

dictate the practice of medicine.

37:18

Congress never gave them

37:20

that authority. and made guidelines which they never had the

37:22

authority to do and

37:24

set evidently standards such

37:26

as red flag. We wish

37:28

we had a case called rule on the United

37:30

States where the supreme court ruled nine zero that the

37:32

DEA couldn't do yet. They continue to

37:35

do Thom. And it is because

37:38

Congress has failed to

37:40

to to reign in the You're talking normal

37:42

about the DEA going after doctors

37:44

who prescribed pain medication? Yeah. Yeah.

37:47

Okay. Congressmen? Well, this has

37:48

come up before Norman. I I think there

37:50

has to be a balance. I mean, I think

37:53

the problem was the pharmaceutical companies

37:56

initially that made profits on on home

37:58

goods, and so everyone got concerned

38:00

legitimately. So when those

38:02

pharmaceutical companies should be

38:04

held to criminal and civil standards.

38:06

But in the case of doctors

38:08

that are doing their jobs, that

38:11

are making good judgment Thom

38:14

should not be penalized

38:16

if they're operating within the

38:18

standard practice of medicine. And so we need to

38:20

make sure the pendulum doesn't swing too far

38:22

in going after good

38:24

faith acting VOTERS. And that

38:26

is something that we need to continue

38:29

Thom investigating and and perhaps legislative

38:31

in Congress. Susan Phoenix,

38:34

Arizona, you're on the air with the

38:36

representative, Connor.

38:37

Yes, representative colonel. I

38:40

reached out to Mark Kelly while

38:42

he was here. I'm a volunteer

38:44

for him. And I reached out in an email and told him why

38:46

Medicare Advantage was a scam.

38:48

And then he should look up your bill and

38:50

support it.

38:52

Here's an a representative FOCAN. He

38:54

came back to me and said, I support

38:56

Medicare Advantage. It gives seniors

39:00

more choices I emailed them

39:02

back and said, we don't want choices. We want

39:04

how paying our bills. And I send them a link

39:06

to Tom's article,

39:08

and he came back and sent me to a

39:10

caseworker. I was wondering if you

39:12

can reach out to senators like that and

39:14

educate them on these things. I don't think

39:18

they understand. Well, I

39:19

agree with you. That's why it's uphill. That's why it's

39:21

been uphill to get Medicare for all. That's why it's

39:23

been uphill to get dental, vision, and hearing

39:26

for medic Medicare, by

39:28

way. one reason that people choose

39:30

Medicare Advantage is because

39:32

many of those plans provide

39:34

dental, vision, and hearing. Now

39:36

they still, I think, are inferior

39:38

because you don't have everyone in that part

39:40

because you have to get claims preapproved. But

39:42

one reason that Bernie Sanders and so

39:44

many of us been pushing to have Medicare covered dental, vision,

39:46

and hearing is so that people don't have

39:48

to run to private insurance. So these things

39:50

are all

39:52

late. but you've got big

39:54

insurance companies that are preventing sensible common

39:56

sense reform. You know, I had

39:59

Thom delegation

40:00

of Taiwan in Taseemia, a deputy

40:02

foreign minister. And one of the state governments

40:04

is talking about the spread of China, etcetera,

40:06

and how all the Republicans are

40:09

standing with them. then he said something as he was leaving. He said, in Taiwan,

40:11

we have single care healthcare. It's absurd. No one pays

40:14

anything. It's more than ten bucks if

40:16

they have to deliver a baby. I said, you need

40:18

to talk some of the

40:20

Republican senators were so eager to

40:22

defend Taiwan about what

40:24

Taiwan's actually doing in terms of the quality of

40:26

life for its people. So we have a

40:28

uniquely broken health care system

40:30

here. Deborah in

40:30

Kansas City, Missouri are on the

40:33

air with the representative, Connor.

40:34

Thank you. Good afternoon, gentlemen.

40:37

My question today to the senator

40:39

is regarding your comment to the

40:41

gentleman on the instruction

40:44

participation and

40:47

members in

40:47

Congress -- Oh, the fourteenth. -- your comment was, yes, the thirteenth

40:49

and fourteenth

40:50

amendment. And my concern

40:52

is why is this now

40:56

necessary Thom have Congress a

40:58

majority vote, which is

41:00

the same party that participated

41:04

in the intersection. To me, that's just passing the buck down the

41:06

road and nothing's going to happen to these

41:09

gentlemen. We just say, oh, what

41:12

a shame. something needs to happen. I don't understand why

41:14

if that's in the

41:16

amendments, why is it now

41:18

necessary that this

41:20

same party is allowed is

41:22

going to be allowed to pass the

41:24

buck. Deborah, I share

41:25

your frustration. This is why, ultimately,

41:27

we need the Hartmann

41:29

Ultimately, this is why I have called for a

41:32

separate agency in the federal

41:34

government that actually goes CHOOSE corruption,

41:36

that goes

41:38

after misconduct. by elected officials because I don't think

41:40

Congress can police itself. But until

41:42

we have that agency right now that

41:44

authorities with the

41:46

justice Hartmann that is our

41:48

best bet. Congressman Rocata, Vice Chair of the Congressional Progressive caucus

41:50

representing California's seventeenth District,

41:52

the Silicon Valley area. In

41:55

the US House of Representatives on the line with us for

41:57

the hour. In our National Progressive Town

41:59

Hall meeting taking New York calls, we'll be back

42:02

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42:04

Congress McConnell. in just a moment. You can find his website at khanuk, KHANNA

42:07

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42:09

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42:20

rep that. The

42:23

Tom

42:25

Hartman University

42:28

Book Club today we're reading from League of the

42:31

Iroquois by Lewis Henry Morgan. This was

42:33

first published in eighteen fifty

42:36

one. Same decade that

42:38

Charles Darwin published origin

42:40

of species, a big deal at the time. And

42:42

when there

42:42

were still, you know, Iroquois

42:46

be talked with

42:46

and whatnot, you know,

42:47

living the way that they

42:50

were living, So this is

42:50

from Page eighty

42:51

nine, structure of the league. This is just

42:54

basically how the Iroquois Confederacy was put

42:56

together and

42:58

kind of anthropological perspective. In connection with the

43:00

power of the tribes to designate the

43:02

SOCOM as CHOOSE are the wise

43:04

elders, it should be noticed the equal power

43:06

of deposition If

43:09

by misconduct, Hasakim lost the confidence and respect of his tribe

43:11

and became unworthy of authority at tribal

43:13

council at once deposed

43:16

him. having selected a a council

43:18

of the league to perform the ceremony of

43:20

his investor. Still further

43:22

to illustrate the characteristics VICTORY

43:25

the tribes of the Iroquois, some reference to their

43:27

motive bestowing names would not be

43:30

inept. Soon after the birth of an infant, the

43:32

near relatives of the same tribes select

43:34

a name. At the

43:34

first subsequent council of the nation, the birth and name

43:37

are publicly announced together with the name

43:39

and tribe of the father and the name

43:41

and tribe of the mother. In

43:43

each nation, the

43:44

proper names were so strongly marked by

43:46

a tribal peculiarity that the tribe of

43:48

the individual could usually be determined from

43:51

the name alone. making

43:53

as they did a part of their language, they were

43:55

all significant. When an individual raised up as

43:57

a SOCOM, his original name was laid

43:59

aside and that

43:59

of Thom Suckham

44:02

chips was itself assumed. In like

44:04

manner, at the raising up of a chief, the

44:06

council of the nation, which performed the ceremony,

44:08

took away the former name of Sippian

44:11

chief and assigned him a new one, perhaps

44:13

like Napoleon's titles, commemorative of the

44:16

event which led to its bestowman.

44:18

Thus, when the celebrated red jacket was

44:20

elevated by election TO THE DIGNITY OF

44:22

A CHIEF. ITS ORIGINAL NAME

44:24

0TTTNNI

44:26

ALWAYS READY WAS TAKEN FROM HIM AND IN

44:28

HIS PLACE WAS STOWED. Sagoie

44:30

Wataha, keep her awake in

44:32

illusion to the powers of his eloquence. Each

44:34

tribe in the nation thus formed

44:37

a species of separate community. members

44:40

were all of consanguinity and

44:42

all their relationships are easily

44:44

traced. In like manner, those of the same tribe in

44:46

each of the other nations were their consanguinity

44:48

and their relationships near

44:50

in Erlo were also traceable. As

44:52

two tribes were necessarily joined in

44:54

each family, there was a perfect diffusion

44:57

of tribes throughout the nation and throughout the league. But

44:59

whenever somebody got married, they had to marry somebody

45:01

from a different tribe. remarkable.

45:04

In this manner, the race of the Iroquois, although consisting

45:06

of different nations, was blended

45:09

into one people. The league

45:11

was in effect established and

45:13

rested for its stability upon the natural

45:16

faith of Kindred.

45:18

It now remains to define a tribe of

45:21

the Haudenosee of the Iroquois. From the

45:23

preceding considerations, it sufficiently appears that it

45:25

was not like the Grecian and Roman, a

45:27

circular group of families. for

45:29

two tribes were necessarily represented in

45:31

every family. Neither like the Jewish

45:33

was a constituted of the lineal descendants

45:35

of a common from other.

45:37

On the contrary, It distinctly involved the idea of descent from a

45:39

common mother. Thom has it any resemblance

45:42

to the Scottish clan or the Canton

45:44

or the

45:46

Switzer. In the formation of an Iroquois tribe, a portion was taken from many

45:48

households and bound together by a tribal

45:50

bond. The wife, her children, and

45:52

her descendants in the female line, would

45:56

in perpetuity, be linked to the destinies of her own tribe. While

45:58

a husband, his brother, and sisters, and the

45:59

descendants of the latter, and the female line

46:02

would in like manner be united to

46:04

another tribe, and led by

46:06

its affinities. Erin was a bond of

46:08

union between the several tribes of the same

46:10

nation corresponding to some degree with

46:12

the cross relationship founded

46:14

upon consanguinity. which bound

46:16

together the tribes of the same Emblem

46:18

in the different nations.

46:20

The Iroquois claimed to have originated the

46:22

idea of a division of the people in

46:24

the tribes as a means of creating new relationships by which to buy in people

46:26

more firmly together is further

46:28

asserted by them that they forced or

46:31

introduced this social organization Among

46:33

the Cherokee's, the chipaways, the Mississagas,

46:36

and several other Indian nations with whom

46:38

in ancient times, they were in

46:40

constant intercourse. Thom fact that this

46:42

division of the people of the same nation in the

46:44

tribes does not prevail generally

46:46

among our Indian races favors the

46:48

assertion of the Iroquois. other

46:50

laws of descent, at least to the crown,

46:52

among the aesthetics, dimly shadows

46:54

for the existence of a similar

46:56

social organization. which may have been

46:58

reproduced among the Iroquois are preserved through a

47:00

remote affinity of blood. At

47:02

all events, it was the life and strength of

47:04

the Iroquois League. Of the comparative

47:06

value of these institutions when

47:08

contrasted with those of civilized country and of

47:10

their capability of elevating the

47:12

race, it is not necessary here

47:14

to inquire. It was the boast of

47:16

the Iroquois that the great object of their

47:18

confederacy was peace, breakup

47:20

the spirit of perpetual warfare, which had

47:22

wasted the red race from age to age.

47:24

Such an insight into the true end of all legitimate government

47:26

by those who constructed this tribal

47:29

league excites as great surprise

47:32

as admiration. IT IS THE HIGHEST NOBLESS

47:34

ASBECT IN WHICH HUMAN INSTITUTIONS CAN

47:36

BE VIEWED AND THE THOUGHT ITSELF, UNIVERSAL

47:38

PEACE AMONG INDIAN RACES

47:41

POSSIBLE OF ATTAINMENT, was array of intellect from no

47:43

ordinary mind. To consummate such a purpose, the

47:46

Iroquois nation were to be concentrated into

47:48

one political

47:50

fraternity. in a manner effectively to prevent offshoots and secession.

47:52

By its natural growth, this

47:54

fraternity would accumulate sufficient power

47:57

and then they go on by affiliation to merge everything

47:59

into one common family. A

48:02

remarkable

48:02

book written in eighteen fifty

48:04

one League of the Iroquois Henry or Henry

48:08

Award.

48:12

AND WELCOME

48:16

BACK, ROGER.

48:17

IN SEATTLEIST NKBCS, YOU ARE ON

48:19

THE AIR WITH REPRESENTICONA.

48:22

Hey, thank you very much. I have

48:23

a question regarding the Social

48:26

Security with the like the

48:28

firemen and

48:30

the teachers. CHOOSE, I'm

48:32

a railroad worker. I put in Thom

48:36

and when you were paying thirty

48:38

two dollars a

48:40

month for Social Security, I was paying a hundred dollars a month

48:42

for the railroad, but I also have over

48:44

twenty years of

48:46

Social Security. And can

48:48

I get on that list with the railroad

48:50

workers and the

48:52

CHOOSE? That's it. Thank you. Well,

48:55

my view is anyone who has worked

48:57

and earned Social Security should get to keep

48:59

that Social Security regardless of what job

49:01

you do ask

49:04

afterwards. I mean, that is one of you to work for, you earn, you should

49:06

keep it. If you go and then become a teacher,

49:08

a firefighter, a railroad worker,

49:10

that couldn't disqualify you. from

49:14

the work you did in the Social

49:16

Security you earned. And that is the

49:18

bill that John Larsen has to

49:20

fix the windfall

49:22

exemption provision and

49:24

that is what many progressives are pushing for

49:26

a vote. We haven't been able to get a

49:28

vote in the House that just honestly

49:31

we've had people be reluctant to vote on some of

49:33

the provisions there. My view, that's a

49:36

mistake. We need to vote on Thom Social

49:38

Security bill. D in

49:40

Alto Dina, California, you're on the air with

49:42

Congress from Canada. Yes.

49:44

I

49:44

would like to find out about

49:47

the January six hearing committee, are they going to

49:49

move that to the Senate so where

49:51

there's going to be a majority if they're

49:53

not going to do

49:56

anything with it right now because if it comes

49:58

-- if we wait until after

50:01

the new Congress

50:03

comes in, then it

50:06

may never be tabled. And I

50:08

understand Thom somehow

50:10

they're propping margarita or

50:14

green up. you know, to to

50:16

hold either speaker.

50:18

So, I mean, it's kind of

50:20

scary and and I thought that

50:23

where would be part of

50:25

the January sixth in

50:28

selection? So where does this go?

50:30

d? Thank

50:32

you. Well, I I

50:33

think it's an ingenious suggestion actually to have the

50:35

senate continue some of the investigation.

50:37

I don't know

50:40

senate rules, but if they could, that would be one way

50:43

of continuing the work because obviously Thom first

50:45

thing the Republicans are gonna do

50:47

is shut down the January

50:50

sixth committee, and I share

50:52

your view that we need to continue

50:54

to investigate it. And it's also gonna

50:56

put more a continued burden on justice, which ultimately

50:58

this is a law enforcement matter.

51:00

Look, people broke in to

51:02

the capital. for the worker

51:04

talk. I mean, they literally broke in.

51:06

They marched past police officers.

51:08

They threatened to kill people.

51:11

This is not in political. This is criminal.

51:13

Thom people engage in criminal acts and they have to

51:15

be held responsible as well as people who

51:17

directly aided and embedded them. Congress,

51:19

and we just have thirty seconds to the

51:21

break. Has there been any,

51:24

you know, clear information about

51:26

whether members of congress, some some members

51:28

of congress were actually giving guided tours to the people who then

51:30

participated in this assault on the

51:32

capital? Tom, I've just

51:34

seen

51:34

public reporting on

51:36

it, and I I don't think that there has been any significant

51:40

investigation or results of that. Is the

51:42

ethics committee looking

51:44

into it? I I do think the ethics committee is looking at it,

51:46

but but but candidly, this is beyond the

51:48

ethics committee. This is a justice

51:50

department. I show it. My hope is

51:52

that they'll gives

51:54

the results of their investigation. If if no one did it, then

51:56

they should come out and say Thom. And if people

51:58

did it, they need to be held

51:59

accountable. Yeah.

52:02

Oh, man. Congressman Raucona is with us for the hour

52:04

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52:06

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52:08

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52:10

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52:12

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52:29

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52:46

Congressman O'Connor with us taking your

52:48

calls, and Tim and Aloha, you

52:50

are on the air with Congressman O'Connor.

52:54

Yeah. the

52:55

-- what's happening with Marjorie

52:58

Taylor Green, what are you guys going to

53:00

do to pursue some

53:02

act against the Supreme Court to increase

53:05

the number of people there, because that isn't

53:07

just a two or four year or six year

53:09

range. We're talking about generational. This

53:11

is scary stuff. you're going to have to get

53:14

more people in the Supreme Court or what

53:16

you can accomplish is going to be

53:18

destroyed just

53:20

like affordable care act and everything else?

53:22

What would I recommended as

53:24

limits? And that is consistent with what

53:27

the president's on commission has

53:30

said, No one should be there more than eighteen years. The president

53:32

should get two appointments after you're done

53:34

in the Supreme Court. Go

53:36

to the appellate court. and that

53:39

would significantly reform the court and not have these

53:41

absurd situations where people are there forty,

53:43

fifty years and making decisions

53:45

that are totally

53:48

up out of touch with everyday reality of people's lives.

53:50

Raymond in Douglasville,

53:51

Georgia, you are on the air

53:53

with representative Connor. Well,

53:56

thank you for putting me on. Thank you, Tom.

53:58

Thank you, Thom Cana, for your

53:59

good work. Very simple

54:02

question. My mother is enrolled

54:04

in WellCare. and we'd

54:06

like to get it switched up back to

54:08

Medicare before the deadline. How

54:10

do we do that?

54:12

Thank

54:12

you. I please contact our office or you're picking

54:14

up this person's office, and they can help with

54:16

that in the case where and I assume

54:18

WellCare is a Medicare Advantage plan

54:21

you can switch back in open enrollment, which is

54:24

around now to Medicare. You have to be

54:26

careful to make sure you get

54:28

Thom Medigap insurance, which is often supplemental, and sometimes

54:31

Medigap insurance, it can deny

54:33

those things if you're switching back.

54:35

And that's why it's it's

54:38

harmful for people to switch in the first place

54:40

if they don't know all the facts. So please

54:42

contact one of the caseworkers either in

54:44

our office or your own Congress for

54:47

his office, and we can try to help. Bob

54:49

and

54:49

Ashville, North Carolina are on the air with the

54:52

representative, Connor.

54:54

Hello, representative. I have a question for

54:56

you. I'm a retired state

54:58

employee teacher in North Carolina. For

55:00

decades, we've had Blue Cross Blue Shield

55:02

insurance and part of our retirement as

55:05

that carries over and becomes a supplement for us with

55:07

our Medicare. This year with our

55:10

GPP legislators

55:13

VOTERS switched and dropped Blue Cross

55:15

Blue Shield and forced this out onto a

55:17

Humana Medicare Advantage Plan,

55:20

which in

55:22

my thoughts that's going to take all these retirees out of Medicare

55:24

and forced them into

55:26

this advantage plan. And other

55:28

callers to Thomas said this is happening

55:32

in States as well. This could be a massive

55:34

loss of revenue

55:38

and Medicare recipients

55:40

and could really harm Medicare because

55:42

of that. I don't know what we can do.

55:44

Well, my

55:45

concern is not just harming

55:47

Medicare, it's harming you and your colleagues because Medicare

55:50

Advantage, like I said, you have to go to

55:52

in network doctors, you have to

55:54

get prior authorization to

55:56

get things approved for

55:58

medicine or procedures, sometimes

56:00

too often they deny those requests,

56:02

whereas you never get those denied with

56:05

Medicare. So Please raise this with your member of congress.

56:07

Let's see what we can do,

56:09

especially if this transfer in Thom

56:11

was done without your knowledge

56:13

or your consent for benefits you were owed. Congress, my

56:16

understanding is that

56:18

the conversation among Republicans

56:22

around this is

56:22

that once over fifty and certainly over sixty

56:25

percent of Medicare recipients have

56:27

shifted over to Medicare Advantage,

56:30

The next time Republicans have control, you know, of

56:32

the levers of power, they will simply say. The American

56:34

public have voted. The majority of Americans no

56:37

longer want Medicare. They want that advantage.

56:39

So we're gonna just shut down and phase out

56:42

over the next five years. The Medicare

56:44

program put everybody on Medicare Advantage.

56:46

That'll be the end of that. And then we'll

56:48

be happy Thom talk about Bernie Sanders' Medicare for all, because it'll be

56:50

Medicare Advantage for all, which is exactly where we

56:52

were thirty years ago. What do

56:54

you think?

56:54

what are you I

56:56

think that's cynically right, Tom. In fact, I had

56:58

an executive and tell me an

57:00

insurance executive. I don't really have

57:03

a problem. earnings interest in Medicare for all of your support to get broke,

57:05

because it's gonna end up being Medicare Advantage for

57:07

all people are basically moving into this

57:10

Medicare Advantage

57:12

plan. but people should realize that that is going to be with basically

57:14

ration care. That's what it

57:16

is. It's the Medicare Advantage

57:19

private insurance boards getting to decide what

57:21

they want to cover. Right now,

57:23

they're going after the relatively healthier

57:26

population. But as people who

57:28

have real illnesses continue to

57:30

to to get and select these plans, the country

57:32

is going to be in for a rude

57:34

awakening. you know, it's not a

57:37

good thing. Congressman, thanks so much for dropping

57:39

by today and taking off. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving time.

57:41

Thank you. Thank you for calling the Lester Thank you

57:43

and the same to you and your family, congressman. Thank

57:45

you so much.

57:46

We'll be back

57:48

with more of

57:51

the new and more of my thoughts and yours in

57:53

this kind of national town hall meeting we

57:55

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57:57

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57:59

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