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over the country. Here's
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sip of water. There we go.
2:16
Pardon me. So a
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lot to talk about today, THERE'S
2:20
A LOT GOING ON. KIRES
2:22
AND ROCADI IS GOING TO JOIN US FOR THE
2:24
HOURS. WE'LL BE WITH HIM AND TO TAKE YOUR CALLS
2:27
if you wanna get in line and get
2:29
on the queue as it were. Also,
2:31
it looks like the REPUBLICAN party is facing kind
2:33
of their own Sophie's choice here. Trump
2:35
either runs as a REPUBLICAN
2:38
or as an independent, what will that
2:40
do to the Republican party? And Gikhi
2:42
Science Can the average person only trust
2:44
five people? This is fascinating. Just
2:46
a little footnote, and I caught this from
2:48
the writing this morning, the newsletter that
2:50
you know, summarizes what's going on on the
2:52
right wing in the blogosphere and
2:54
whatnot. And the latest
2:57
hysteria here ABOUT
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JACK SNATH, THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR
3:01
WHO IS GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO DONALD TRUMP
3:03
AND FRIENDS. AND I HAVEN'T BEEN
3:05
ABLE TO CONFIRM THIS, BUT IT IS source
3:07
here is Newsweek. So I'm, you know, which is,
3:09
you know, under private ownership now,
3:12
but I believe is still fairly credible.
3:15
IS THAT JACSMATH IS MARYED TO A
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WOMAN named KATIE CHAVIDJINY, CHE
3:20
VI GNY, HOWEVER YOU PRENOUNCE
3:22
THAT. and that she worked as
3:24
a producer on the movie becoming, which
3:26
was about Michelle Obama. And
3:28
she also donated to Joe Biden's twenty
3:31
twenty campaign. So, oh
3:33
my he's married to a Democrat. You
3:35
can tell right now, the meltdown is gonna
3:37
begin. They're gonna be investigating him in congress.
3:40
It's gonna go nuts. But, you know,
3:42
the larger question and one that I
3:44
think the Republican party is really struggling
3:46
with right now is, you know, the
3:48
only to CLARED REPUBLICAN FOR THE PRESIDENTENCY
3:50
IN twenty twenty four HAS NOT BEEN
3:52
A MEMBER OF CONGRESS IS DONALD TRUMP.
3:55
IN you and I both know he did this in
3:57
order to get around the department, which
3:59
frankly I think blew up in his face.
4:02
I don't think Jack Smith is gonna let him off the
4:04
hook at all. Plus, Jack Smith's
4:06
tenure may well outlast the Biden
4:08
presidency. But
4:10
in any case, HERE'S
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DONALD TRUMP. AND
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WHAT HAPPENS IF HE BECOMES THE REPUBLICAN
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NOMINY I think it's
4:19
a virtual certainty that he loses
4:21
the White House. I mean, the Democrats would have
4:23
to run a really terrible candidate. but
4:27
it looks like, you know, Trump is a real
4:29
drag on the party right now. People are just
4:31
tired of him. And on the other
4:33
hand, if their AUGO PARTY DOESN'T EBRACE
4:35
HIM. HE MIGHT JUST WALK AWAY AND
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SAY THAT HE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO
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BE RUNNING AN INDEPENDENT CANDIDACY. which
4:42
would be kind of a cool thing, actually,
4:44
because it would take a lot of votes away from the
4:46
Republicans and guarantee a Democratic presidency.
4:49
So here you got, you know, Mike Pence and
4:51
Rhonda Santos and Nikki Haley and all
4:53
these others who wanna be president, presumably
4:56
Rick Scott and others. What are
4:58
they gonna do? I
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mean, I I it looks to me like this
5:02
party is in a real crisis. We hear you
5:04
know, we read all this stuff about it. Democrats
5:06
in disarray. No. I think
5:08
it's the REPUBLICAN party that's in a panic
5:10
right now. So how do you
5:12
think this is gonna play out? This
5:14
is like kind of a Sophie's choice.
5:17
Also a quick geeky science for you on the
5:19
other side of the break. The average
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person has five people in their lives
5:23
they trust. FAST NAME. Reporter:
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THIS STUDY SAYS OR
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Study FINDs. OR IS a
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fascinating website every now and then they pop up
5:34
some of the most curious geeky
5:37
science stuff. In our geeky science for
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today, The average American has
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five people in their life
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with whom they have a strong enough relationship
5:46
that they feel that they can basically lean on that
5:48
person or call on that person for anything.
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It really got me thinking about this. I I
5:53
can think of maybe three people
5:57
in my life. And I
5:59
can extend that probably to another
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three, but that's it. I mean,
6:03
really, there's probably only
6:06
six people that I'm really close to.
6:09
And they go out and out outside of their closed
6:11
circle, people have some of the best partnerships with
6:13
their neighbors and their VOTERS AND
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NEARLY A THIRD OF EMPLOYED RESPONENTS
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SAID THAT ONE OF THEIR STRONGEST PARTNER
6:20
SHIPS IS WITH A CO WORKER. thirty one
6:22
percent HALF OF THOSE
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SURVADE TO USE TECHNOLOGY MORE DURING THE
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HOLIDAY SEASON TO KEEP IN TOUCH THE LOVED ONES AND
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OTHER TIMES A YEAR fifty one percent EVEN ATTRIBATE
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THE CLOSEST of their relationships to
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technology. I know two of my
6:35
best friends, one lives in Australia, one lives in
6:37
Israel. And every month
6:39
since the pandemic, we've gotten together
6:41
on Zoom. my other best friend
6:43
lives in New York, which just talk on the phone constantly.
6:46
And then I have some very close friends
6:48
here that I with whom I work with whom I've
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worked for over a decade, particularly
6:52
Sean has been with me over fifteen years,
6:54
I think, and Nate over a decade, and
6:56
and we all love Joyce. But
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it's It's, you know, it's
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fascinating. They also said that some
7:03
people have relationships with
7:05
businesses eighty three percent of
7:07
Americans said that they they formed strong
7:09
relationships with small businesses, something
7:11
that doesn't happen with larger medium
7:14
sized businesses. Fast Canadian stuff.
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Anyhow, so much for
7:18
geeky science. We've got a lot to talk about today.
7:21
Congressman Raucona is with us, he represents
7:23
a seventeenth District of California in the US House
7:25
of Representatives. He's Vice Chair of the
7:27
Congressional progressive caucus. He's the
7:29
author of a New Book Dignity in the Digital
7:31
Age. His
7:33
website is Khanah, KHANNA
7:36
dot house dot gov. You can tweet him at rep
7:38
row Khanah, r o Khanah.
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and Congressman Conner, welcome back to the program.
7:42
It's been a while since we've talked you know,
7:44
what's what's on your mind today? Tom,
7:47
great to to Chad. I don't think
7:49
we've talked since the election. It was
7:51
a much better result than
7:54
we all expected. We're
7:56
now focused on the lame duck as soon as we
7:58
get back from Thanksgiving to make sure we increase
8:00
the debt ceiling so the has
8:02
done trying to sabotage the economy,
8:04
make sure we actually fund the National Labor
8:07
Relations board so we can
8:09
enforce the violations against
8:12
all these wonderful organizing
8:14
efforts at Starbucks, Amazon, Chipotle,
8:17
And then we should need to fund the Ukraine
8:19
eight because the Republicans have threatened in
8:21
the house not to do that. Do you think
8:22
you think it's gonna work? You think it's
8:24
gonna happen? You can get get stuff done?
8:27
I do. I I do think we'll succeed
8:29
on the debt ceiling. I think we will succeed
8:31
on the Ukraine. Thom NLRB
8:35
is a a bigger challenge. it
8:37
really matters. It's consequential, but it
8:39
hasn't gotten the attention that it it
8:41
needs. And it it requires about a hundred
8:43
million dollars of funding so that they can actually
8:45
protect workers who want to organize.
8:47
Is there any possibility
8:50
that the
8:52
the the twin legislation, the John
8:54
Lewis Rights Act, and the, you
8:56
know, the old HR one
8:59
America. What was it?
9:02
not forgetting the title of it. The of the
9:04
act. The democracy reform packet.
9:06
Yeah. The that those two pieces of
9:08
legislation, they are they passed
9:10
the house in the Senate. They were
9:12
defeated. But did Chuck Schumer
9:14
vote know so that he could bring them back up? Or is
9:16
there some way that they could be brought up. Is
9:18
there any possibility of some arm
9:20
twisting? Maybe offering Kirsten
9:22
Cinema a a an
9:24
ambassadorship someplace if she'll
9:26
just resign and let let the
9:28
next Colorado Democratic
9:30
governor appoint somebody to replace her.
9:32
And and well, I don't know if
9:34
that's the thing to do, but whatever. I mean,
9:36
is there anyway to make this happen.
9:38
Yeah. While the four of the people act in the
9:40
voting rights act -- Yeah. -- of the you know,
9:42
we the the challenge is, as
9:44
you know, into Arizona cinema and
9:46
and and and mansion have
9:49
remained opposed to any former
9:51
former on the filibuster. And so
9:53
I I think they should make it a another
9:55
go at it. They try every possible
9:58
thing. But it is it's
10:00
been difficult because you've got two
10:02
holdouts. And in this case, it's not that they're
10:04
other holdings. I would literally think there are
10:06
Thom those two individuals are holding
10:08
up these bills.
10:10
Yeah.
10:10
It just seems like it's so important. I mean, deal Thom
10:14
particularly for the People Act, which deals with,
10:16
you know, money and
10:18
politics. It it deals with a gerrymandering
10:20
you know, I'm I my understanding is
10:23
that more or less on the
10:25
on the neighborhood of ten, maybe as many as
10:27
fifteen seats in the house right now are occupied
10:29
by Republicans that would have been occupied by
10:31
Democrats if states had simply
10:34
not as radically
10:36
gerrymandered as they had. Three states did it in
10:38
defiance of court and and the
10:40
governors of the just Thom states just said, hey, screw you
10:42
to the courts, try and enforce it. And
10:44
and when I head with Jerry mandatory districts
10:46
anyway, I mean, it seems
10:49
so important to deal with that. Howard Bauchner:
10:51
Absolutely. But
10:52
Thom the the the Jeremy and we would have
10:54
a majority if it weren't for Jerry
10:56
Madrig. I mean, a district like Tom Thom. We
10:58
would have won in New Jersey. We wouldn't have
11:00
the the same consequences in
11:03
Florida. I mean, people forget that
11:05
Florida was consequence of desantis
11:07
basically doing the most part isn't
11:09
redistricting. It wasn't just winning
11:12
elections. And then the money I mean, the
11:14
dark money, millions of
11:16
dollars of dark money coming into these
11:19
seats is also incredibly
11:22
distorted of the process. You
11:24
know, the chair REPUBLICAN complaining that
11:26
they were outspent in some of these seats. They should
11:28
join us in just saying,
11:30
prohibit corporate money into elections
11:32
and have restrictions
11:34
on private money coming in, but,
11:36
of course, not a single Republican
11:39
supports any of the campaign
11:41
finance reforms. Yeah. It's truly
11:43
tragic. let's pick up some phone calls here.
11:45
Congressman Cona is with us for the
11:47
hour taking your calls in our National Town
11:49
Hall meeting. David, in Columbus,
11:51
Ohio, you are on the air with Congressman
11:53
Cona. Hello,
11:53
congressman. I gave
11:55
to a lot of Democratic candidates
11:58
across the country. Do
11:59
you see and most of them said
12:02
they do not take corporate money.
12:04
Do you see a trend away from
12:06
taking corporate money toward more
12:08
progressive candidates? And I
12:10
think the Democrat's strength is their
12:13
volunteers. They can get thousands
12:15
and thousands of volunteers not corporate
12:17
money. So what do you think?
12:19
I do. I mean, when I I
12:21
am not taking a dollar in my whole career, not
12:24
just a corporate money. It's any back money. I
12:26
for one or seven members, it does doesn't take
12:28
back money. But I'd
12:30
see an increased move of
12:32
not taking corporate money. I don't think,
12:34
unfortunately, that's the solution. And the
12:36
reason that is on solution is that let's say you
12:38
get even a hundred, a hundred fifty
12:40
members of economists who take
12:42
that pledge. You what you have is
12:44
big oil and pharma in these
12:46
insurance companies, targeting
12:48
the one or two members on the
12:50
relevant committees to stop
12:52
the progressive popular
12:54
legislation. So even if you
12:56
have a hundred, a hundred and fifty
12:58
members who have taken this pledge is better
13:00
than nothing, but
13:02
it's not solving the
13:04
systematic problem of why we can't get
13:06
Medicare for all, why we can't get
13:09
windfall Cox on big oil.
13:11
We really need comprehensive
13:14
campaign finance reform. Howard Bauchner:
13:16
Katie,
13:16
in Seattle, you're on the air with the the congressman,
13:19
Connor.
13:19
Good morning.
13:20
My question regards seats
13:23
on airplanes. I'm a small
13:25
woman. I just flew a couple
13:27
weeks ago.
13:28
and I cannot even
13:30
reach to get something
13:32
underneath the seat because my
13:34
arms aren't long and up in flight.
13:36
my concern is that in the
13:38
event of an emergency, I don't think we're all going
13:40
to be able to get out of there with the seat
13:43
packed in as tightly as they can.
13:45
Are you doing something about this in Congress right
13:47
now? Thank you. Well,
13:49
Katie,
13:49
let me raise
13:51
your concern, but generalize and that is
13:53
that I'm hearing from many people
13:55
that they don't feel their rights are being
13:58
respected as passengers. And I do think that
14:00
they we should be looking at
14:02
a passenger bill of rights. in the
14:04
next congress. Both what do we need to
14:06
do to make sure people are safe, their gonna
14:08
lives of their size, what do we need to do
14:10
to make sure that you don't have
14:12
cancellations of flights without just
14:15
compensation. What do we do to make
14:17
sure that people aren't treated
14:19
respectfully and comfortable? And I
14:21
do think some kind of passenger bill
14:23
of rights would be a good initiative in
14:25
the next Congress. Congressman
14:28
Roe Congress with this for the
14:30
hour taking your calls in a national progressive
14:32
town hall meeting, congressman Conner, the
14:34
Vice Chair of the Congressional Progressive
14:36
caucus, representing the
14:38
the the seventeenth district of the State
14:40
of California and the US House of Representatives.
14:42
We'll be right back with more of your calls
14:44
for congressman comment in just
14:45
a moment. You
14:51
can find
14:51
congressman Conner's website Cona KHANNA
14:55
dot house dot gov. You can tweet him at rep
14:57
pro Cona.
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This
15:04
is the Tom Hartman program.
15:06
Our book today in the Tom Hartman Club
15:08
is seek and hide the tangled
15:10
history of the right to privacy by
15:12
Amy Gajda. I hope
15:14
I'm pronouncing that right. This is from
15:16
the introduction. It was seen
15:18
that a pair of Tights and a snap camera
15:20
started at all. That's because the scandal
15:22
is leg gear and the troubling new
15:24
technology. Gotta mention the fourth paragraph
15:26
of an eighteen ninety law
15:28
review article by the attorney's
15:30
Lewis Brandeis and Sam
15:32
Warren, one that many say marked the
15:34
start of the legal right to privacy in
15:36
the United States. The law partners wrote that
15:38
a theatrical performance that same year had
15:40
sparked a somewhat notorious
15:43
case. The story goes
15:45
that Marion Manola Singer
15:47
actress and star of Broadway's castles in
15:49
the air wore gray silk
15:51
tights as a provocative part of
15:53
her art. Tights back then
15:55
set tongues wagging. They had a
15:57
sensual clang at a time when
15:59
women wore thick dresses that plunge to
16:01
the ground and sacheted around
16:03
there so that no one much knew what
16:06
shoes looked like either. Tights on
16:08
a stage actress allowed men to see the
16:10
curves from her hips to her toes.
16:12
Such distraction was not universal
16:14
however, and Manola's silken
16:16
legs failed to move the day's theater
16:18
critics. Castles in the air
16:20
is a, quote, perfect abyss of
16:23
weariness was the evening
16:25
world's assessment. The New York Times called
16:27
it an apparent failure But
16:29
Manola's trim and attractive figure
16:31
kept audiences coming nonetheless. The
16:33
theater manager recognizing even
16:35
media marketing potential WISH TO
16:37
CAPTURE AN IMAGES MONOLA IN
16:39
HER UNSOMBLE. SHE IS MY CHIEF'S
16:41
SUPPORTERNEAU WAS HIS PUBLIC EXPLONATION.
16:44
Newspaper headlines from Friday, June
16:46
thirteenth eighteen ninety made
16:48
clear that Manola absolutely positively
16:51
refused. New York,
16:53
colon. She won't be taken in
16:55
Tights. Chicago will not be
16:57
photographed in Tights. In
16:59
Boston, The Globe put a patronizingly.
17:01
Miss Manola in distress will
17:03
resign rather than be photographed in
17:05
her tights. Live performance
17:07
was one thing, but STILL PHOTOGRAPHY
17:09
SEEMED AN ENVATION ENTIRELY
17:12
DIFFERENT. THEN
17:12
CAME TROUBLE, JUST AS ANY CAREFUL
17:15
READER WOULD HAVE EXPECTED. Quite literally the next
17:17
evening as Manola ran toward the
17:19
open arms of a co star in the second
17:21
act, a flash of light and a puff of
17:23
smoke erupted from the Broadway Theatre's
17:25
balcony. Thom manager had placed a snap
17:27
camera in an upper box.
17:29
A photographer had captured Manola
17:31
and the not slender, not
17:33
too plump, the Grace and shapely
17:36
contents of the darker gray tights.
17:38
News coverage of the outrage appeared
17:40
at about the speed of the snap
17:42
flash. quote, the million and a half people
17:44
in New York are not bothering themselves about the
17:46
silver bill, the federal election law, or the other
17:48
issues which interest the country at large, Atlanta
17:50
Constitution reported. New Yorkers have nothing
17:53
in view, but miss Manola's tights.
17:55
And just at present, they are discussing
17:58
nothing else. WOMEN RALLIED TO
17:59
MONOLA'S CAUSE Crediting HER FOR STANDING
18:02
FIRM AGAINST A CLEAR MAIL
18:04
DESIR TO EXPLOYD A
18:06
WOMAN'S CHOICE. The entire sympathy of
18:08
all of her sex and the best of the community
18:10
stood with the actress. Some
18:12
men, on the
18:12
other hand, struggled to understand why this
18:14
particular photo was such a big deal.
18:17
THEY'D SEEN MANOLA'S SILKEY LAGS BEFORE, NOT
18:19
ONLY ON BROADWAY, BUT ON CABINET
18:21
CARDS PUBLISHED WHEN SHE START IN
18:23
THE RISCE BOKOXIIO. Her
18:27
tunic back then supported a
18:29
tantalizing fringe that covered her pelvic
18:31
region just so with tight light
18:33
tights doing the
18:34
rest of the work.
18:35
We'll never know what Manila's legs look
18:38
like during her castles in the air performance,
18:40
however. A judge immediately
18:42
sided with the actress HER SEX AND THE
18:44
COMMUNITY'S BEST AND ORDERED THAT THE
18:46
MANAGER NEVER EVER DEVELOPED THE PHOTOS
18:48
LET ALONE PUBLISH IT. and
18:50
the story might have ended there. But the idea of
18:52
that personal invasion fit perfectly
18:54
into a narrative building in the mind of
18:56
the attorney Sam Warren in
19:00
Boston. Warren saw a different
19:02
sort of marketing potential in
19:04
Manola's legs. The viral tale could
19:06
help support his call for what
19:08
he called a newfangled right
19:10
to privacy. This was solid proof that
19:12
cameras could and people would
19:14
capture embarrassing images from
19:16
real life far beyond the
19:18
woodblock portraits that already tormented
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the rich and powerful back
19:21
then. Heck,
19:22
the so called snap or detective
19:24
Camber was even marketed in such a
19:26
privacy invading way. Ads promised
19:28
that it could record the countenance impose
19:30
of an unsuspecting victim who
19:32
would be
19:32
unaware until it was too
19:35
late. Missus Grover Cleveland,
19:37
a friend of Warren's, had
19:39
it particularly bad. She was,
19:41
quote, haunted by amateurs, end
19:43
quote, headlines read, the dozens of hopeful
19:46
photographers who waited for a glimpse of the
19:48
first lady. Some of
19:49
their cameras were shaped like purses.
19:51
Others look so much like handguns that people could have shot to
19:54
kill a paparazzo nobody would
19:56
have questioned it even for a
19:58
second. The autograph the seeking
20:00
fans who similarly
20:02
frenzied around the French actress Sarah
20:04
Bernhardt to invade her privacy during
20:06
her US tour in the eighteen
20:08
eighties, THEY NOW HAD A WEAPEN MUCH MIGHTIER
20:10
THAN THE PIN. TODAY
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eighteen ninety PLEA FOR THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY
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WRITTEN BY WARREN AND HIS LAW PARTNER,
20:16
THE FUTURE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
20:18
BRANDISE is
20:19
used to support legal protection, not only
20:21
for the haunted and the haunted, but
20:23
also
20:23
to justify protection for everything from
20:25
sexual intimacies and private scandals,
20:28
to police eavesdropping and computer
20:30
data. Judges
20:31
routinely law ed the reasoning and quote
20:33
the language of the right to privacy
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IN
20:36
PUBLICATION CASES AS WELL
20:39
AS IN CASES INVOLVING PRESIDENTIAL
20:41
PRIVILEGE, CIVIL RIGHTS, DRUG
20:43
TESTING, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION and
20:45
many others. The
20:47
book is seek and hide
20:49
by Amy Geister, the
20:51
tangled history of the right Thom privacy.
20:54
And welcome back, Jim in Long Beach, California. You
20:56
are on the Earth, representative, Connor.
20:59
Good morning,
20:59
gentlemen. Hey. Hey, I
21:02
have
21:03
question, will the house
21:06
bring
21:06
up the
21:08
house resolution eighty seven
21:10
to stop funding Saudi's in
21:13
Yemen? Great
21:13
question. Let's see what he has to
21:16
say. Well,
21:16
Jim, as you know, Bernie Sanders and I
21:18
led the war powers resolution that
21:21
passed against refueling Saudi planes. This is something
21:23
I've been passionate about for six
21:25
years by whole time in Thom. I'm now
21:27
leading with Bluemithal resolution
21:29
to stop arm cells to Saudi Arabia.
21:31
I support any
21:34
restrictions on giving them more weapons. And I was
21:36
disappointed that the administration
21:38
gave immunity to
21:40
MBS for the crimes
21:42
that he has committed against
21:44
Khashoggi and in Yemen. So
21:46
we will continue to build support
21:48
to hold Saudi Arabia accountable.
21:50
Mark in
21:51
Long Beach, you're on the Earth, Congress, and a lot of
21:53
calls from Long Beach, you're on the Earth, Congress,
21:55
and Canada. Yes, mister Conner.
21:57
Two quick questions for you. The
21:59
first one is twelve
22:02
Republicans in the Senate broke the filibuster.
22:05
to protect the gay marriage. And
22:08
Chuck Schumer said that
22:11
they're going to do it. before
22:14
the Republican state control of the
22:16
house. Do you know when the vote is
22:18
gonna be taken for the Senate and the
22:20
House? That's my first question. I
22:23
imagine the first week or second week
22:25
that we're back, but I'm very confident that
22:27
this will pass. Howard Bauchner: Alrighty. We
22:29
get one question a John and
22:31
Kashmir Washington. Hey, John. You're on the Earth with
22:34
Garishmentcona. Good morning. I
22:36
called in to Tom Thom and
22:38
spoke with either of the congressman
22:40
McCanno or Congressman
22:43
McCann over a year
22:45
ago. And I asked basic
22:47
question of what is being
22:49
done to Trump prove the presidency. Now
22:52
remember, okay, it was
22:54
given. I
22:57
think you've I don't believe that
22:59
anything has been done in Congress. I
23:01
think all emphasis has been toward the
23:03
DOJ acting, which they
23:05
haven't moved very fast. there's
23:07
one basic thing that could have been done is
23:10
require all federal candidates
23:13
to disclose their
23:15
tax returns. visible to others. I've
23:17
never done that. Well, John,
23:19
I
23:19
obviously support that. challenge
23:21
is that you wouldn't get the
23:23
Republican support for that in the filibuster,
23:25
approved Senate, and that's the unfortunate
23:27
thing about not eliminating
23:29
the filibuster. Well, we will get
23:31
done. I'm pretty hopeful in the
23:33
lined up as the electoral counties reform
23:36
to make sure that the states actually
23:38
have to honor when GOP popular
23:40
vote in that state. Congressman
23:42
wrote Cona is with us for the hour taking your
23:45
calls. We'll be back with more of your calls for
23:47
Cona in just a moment. You can check out his
23:49
website at cona dot house dot
23:51
com.
24:00
Welcome back,
24:01
I just
24:04
remember, O'Connor. We're O'Connor
24:05
taking your calls for the hour David and Woodland
24:07
Hills. You're on the air with representative,
24:09
Connor. Thank you.
24:10
I have a question about that
24:13
program where the doctors can
24:15
change you to Medicare Advantage
24:17
without your knowledge. First
24:20
of all, what's the name of that program? And
24:22
that's not my question. It's
24:23
a restriction. I
24:26
mean, it's a don't know
24:28
but what they're doing is a
24:30
pilot program where they're basically
24:32
forcing people I think it's
24:34
called ACO Reach. Yeah. There
24:36
you go. Okay. So
24:37
here's my question. If my doctor
24:39
does that and I continue to
24:41
pay my Medigap premiums,
24:45
aren't I then in both programs
24:47
kind of like having two life insurance
24:50
policies? That's a
24:51
great question. I mean, the
24:54
challenge is, what
24:56
happens if you then try to go back to Medicare?
24:58
because one of the challenges of going back
25:00
and forth between Medicare is that
25:02
Medigap Thom can discriminate against you, then I'll
25:04
have to give you the insurance. So my
25:06
guess is that you're paying the Medigap
25:08
insurance to keep
25:10
it at an extra cost to
25:12
what you're already doing. It's why this
25:14
shouldn't be happening without consent and all
25:16
VOTERS have opposed many of the
25:19
progressive them oppose the ACL reach
25:21
program.
25:21
Johnny in New York City are on the air with
25:24
representative Connor. How are
25:26
you doing today? Hi,
25:28
Johnny. Hey, here's
25:30
my question. Is the
25:32
Democratic party as a
25:34
white male Uning Guy,
25:36
how do you expect me to support
25:38
your party anymore when you
25:41
vilify the white male? every
25:43
time you turn on the
25:45
the TV, the Democrats are
25:47
on TV, you're talking about
25:50
white supremacy this,
25:52
racism that, white
25:54
male this, white male that, how
25:56
do you expect me to to even
25:59
vote for anybody.
25:59
And you have Democratic school
26:03
boards run by Democrats
26:06
who force transitioning to
26:10
children. And if you speak
26:12
out about it, you're vilified.
26:14
How Sorry, I
26:15
thought Johnny was done. I think you got
26:17
his point. Well,
26:18
Johnny, I well, first of all, I'm I
26:21
I suggest you look at my speech
26:23
or op ed on economic patriotism.
26:25
It's all about bringing back manufacturing jobs.
26:28
It's all about this view that we made
26:30
a huge mistake in this country
26:32
by all touring all our production, hollowing
26:34
out communities. We don't make
26:36
steel here. We don't make aluminum here. I
26:38
wanna bring those jobs back and I have a
26:40
plan for how we do that. gonna
26:42
help back because that's gonna help the white
26:44
working class. It's gonna help the black working class.
26:46
Latino working class. It's gonna make it
26:49
a stronger and economically more more
26:51
prosperous. So I would argue that our
26:53
policies are good for working
26:55
class people regardless of
26:57
price On your point about trans kids, I mean,
26:59
I believe that trans children deserve
27:02
basic rights to be able to
27:04
do whatever their parents think is
27:06
necessary and that their doctors think
27:08
they're necessary. And no one
27:10
that I know in a school board
27:12
is trying to make that decision. What
27:14
they're trying to say is, let
27:16
people decide with their families
27:18
and doctors. What's right for them?
27:20
I remember when Republicans used a
27:22
campaign on parental rights. It's
27:25
apparently not anymore. David, in
27:27
Canterbury, Connecticut, David, you're on the other
27:29
representative, Donna.
27:30
Rivertown and Collaric, it's great he
27:32
got reelected and we got four more progressives in
27:34
the house and that's great. We GOP to
27:36
keep going. My question is, with the
27:38
January sixth committee coming to an end, I
27:41
know there were quite a few congresspeople. Congress
27:44
creditors involved in the in the
27:46
insurrection itself. Do you have
27:48
any knowledge about what's going on
27:50
-- may go on with the
27:52
prosecutor, Jack Smith, and if there's
27:54
any rumblings anything going to be
27:56
done about these folks in Congress and
27:58
I'll wait for your answer. Thank you
27:59
very much much. You know, I
28:01
don't have knowledge and that's a good thing because
28:04
I chose the Justice Department really is
28:06
keeping this independent. They don't consult us.
28:08
They don't tell us anything in Congress. And
28:10
I have said to my colleagues, I think the less
28:12
we say, the better. they're Thom bit
28:14
professional, then they need to show that this is
28:16
an independent investigation, and they're
28:18
following the law and the facts. And
28:20
I I think they will. Mary in
28:21
Elk Grove village, you're on the air with
28:23
representative, Connor. Oh,
28:25
thank you. Thank you both for what you do.
28:27
A couple of weeks ago, maybe a
28:29
week or so, OCO. I was watching television.
28:32
And I saw the advertisement for
28:34
WellCare.
28:37
and it sounded eerily familiar.
28:39
It sounded almost verbatim
28:41
what the Medicare
28:44
Advantage commercials our advertising.
28:46
And I know that you guys have a bill
28:48
on saying that Medicare
28:50
Advantage cannot use
28:52
word Medicare, but
28:54
it's this new program,
28:57
and this is very smart of them.
28:59
Are they trying
29:01
to backdoor little programs
29:03
by just switching up the names. Are they
29:04
rebranding?
29:06
Yeah. Well, I thank you for
29:08
raising that, and I'll look into it.
29:11
But At the very least, we can agree that they shouldn't be calling Medicare
29:13
Advantage or Medicare. It's just two
29:15
different programs. I mean Medicare
29:18
Advantage You can't go see any In
29:21
Medicare Advantage, you don't have the
29:23
same guarantee on
29:25
your catastrophic coverage.
29:27
taking place, and you have to seek prior authorization.
29:29
You get a lot of claims denied, but that's
29:31
not the case with Medicare. So call
29:33
it private insurance, call it what it
29:36
is. and that's what Mark quote can and my bill
29:38
does. How's that bill doing, by the
29:40
way? You know, we we're trying to first
29:42
get support among progressives, which I think
29:44
we will. And then next congress
29:46
build broader support. But I'm I'm hoping this
29:48
is not just a progressive issue. This
29:50
should I mean, progressive is
29:52
a view that we need Medicare expanded.
29:54
let's certainly call something honestly
29:57
what it is. That could be old old
29:59
democrats or
29:59
basically consumer protection. Yeah. Yeah. The New
30:02
York Times actually has done a good job of
30:04
calling this out. We'll be right back
30:06
with with more of your calls for Congress and
30:08
Roe Connor in just a moment. You're
30:10
listening to the Tom Hartman program.
30:13
Representative Connor's vice chairman of the congressional
30:15
progressive caucus. He represents California's
30:17
seventeenth district, Connor dot house dot gov,
30:19
and rep pro Connor
30:21
on Twitter.
30:36
back to our progressive national
30:39
progressive town hall meeting with congressman Roe Kanav,
30:41
Vice Chair of the Congressional progressive
30:43
caucus of Charles in Gold Hill. You're on the air Gold
30:45
Hill Oregon. You're on the air with congressman
30:48
Connor. Hello, gentlemen.
30:49
I have one statement and two
30:52
questions. My statement is to
30:54
medicare dot gov. It
30:56
steers people to Medicare
30:58
Advantage. I was on the website yesterday.
31:00
And my question for Roque Cona is
31:02
why is not the fourteenth
31:05
amendment, section three, and section four
31:07
being enforced? Section
31:09
three dealing with the insurrectionists that are
31:11
in office and running for
31:13
office and section four being the debt
31:15
filling that cannot be questioned why
31:17
do we just not ignore the debt feeling and
31:22
adhere to the constitution? I
31:24
agree with
31:25
you on section three of the fourteenth
31:27
amendment. I've been calling for that. People like
31:29
Jamie Braskin has been calling for that.
31:31
It would basically bar insurrectionists
31:33
from running for office. it was used after the civil
31:35
war, and we should be more aggressive, but
31:37
it still would take majorities at
31:40
least in the House and Senate to
31:42
be able to do On the debt ceiling, I
31:44
do think I'm open to looking at
31:46
any avenue that's constitutional Thom wouldn't
31:50
require us continually to raise
31:52
it because it just become a political
31:54
football. Howard Bauchner: Dan, in
31:55
Miami, you are on the air with
31:58
congressman Conner.
31:59
Hi, thank you very much. I have a
32:02
follow-up to the question about the
32:04
insurrectionists among you
32:06
in Congress. Why is it
32:08
that, well, first of all, you have
32:11
a committee that's supposed to be
32:13
looking into whether there are
32:15
any insurrections within the
32:17
House rules. Article
32:20
one, section five of the constitution,
32:23
establishes that the CHOOSE can set rules
32:25
on who the members might be. And
32:28
second of all, even
32:31
if they haven't
32:33
really finished investigating
32:36
whether there are members
32:38
who are insurctionists Why don't you just
32:40
offer a resolution to the
32:43
effect that everyone
32:45
who is a member of Congress should not be
32:47
an insurrectionist and see who votes for
32:49
it. That's
32:51
a great idea. I mean, I I do think
32:53
I think that kind of resolution would
32:56
be a good thing. But, you know, you'll have
32:58
a number of the extremes of the Republicans
33:00
REPUBLICAN it and Thom it out
33:03
there saying that they're being
33:05
victimized. I mean, that is the grievance politics
33:07
that they've been running in. I think what's
33:09
more important is that the justice
33:11
department does work and press
33:13
forward with people who actually
33:15
aided and abetted
33:17
CHOOSE who stormed the capital and rioted
33:19
at the capital. Janet
33:21
and Strongsville, Ohio, you're on the
33:23
air with the representative Connor.
33:25
Tom, thank you for taking my call and
33:28
also thank you, representative Connor.
33:30
I Just real quick, I want to just say you
33:32
have no idea the tsunami
33:34
of ads every day, all
33:36
day into the evening
33:39
Thom Medicare Advantage. So please, please
33:41
keep you and representative poke in.
33:43
Keep after that bill, please.
33:46
It's as if we're having something again taken away
33:48
from us. But my question for you I
33:50
have to do with Nancy Pelosi
33:53
for retirement, well, not retirement,
33:55
but her giving up leadership. And
33:57
all I ever hear about is
33:59
someone named Joaquin Jeffries.
34:01
I'm wondering why you aren't running for
34:04
leadership. I mean, I look at what you stand
34:06
for and there's so many other fine
34:08
progressives. Why does
34:10
it have to be sort of crammed on us, Rojo King Jeffries
34:12
from the State of New York. And
34:14
I'll take my answer off here and have a great
34:16
thanksgiving by
34:18
the way. Yeah.
34:18
Well, thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Thank you for bringing
34:21
it up the Medicare Advantage. I
34:23
mean, more info can and I I
34:25
think he would share this part
34:27
of the reason we did this bill is all of
34:29
the listeners on Tom Thom that we're hearing
34:31
from around the country where this is a
34:33
major issue. And both he and I are absolutely
34:36
committed to pushing this, trying to
34:38
get it to pass. And if it doesn't
34:40
pass, bringing this up with
34:42
HHS secretary to Thom crack
34:45
down on Medicare Advantage misrepresenting
34:48
it. You know, I would love to have
34:50
progressives in leadership for
34:52
Melodopa almost person we were
34:54
getting behind. I I
34:56
candidly think it's unfortunate that there
34:58
is not a strong progressive
35:00
in leadership But I like the
35:02
king Jeffries. I wanna give the new leadership team a a chance
35:04
to succeed, to build
35:06
bridges, and my hope
35:08
is in that we continue
35:10
to work to get progressives elected. We've
35:12
done we've done a great job getting progressives
35:14
in Congress with Bernie Sanders
35:16
and Elizabeth Warren. We've done a great
35:18
job sort of shaping the agenda. Now we just
35:20
need to win in some of these leadership
35:23
positions so that progressives are
35:25
in decision making roles. Elynor
35:27
in Staten Island, New York? Yes. Thank you. I wanna know if
35:29
we can ever get rid of
35:31
the undemocratic electoral college.
35:35
Elegor, I
35:35
agree with you. It is
35:38
undemocratic. My sentence is the best way to
35:40
get rid of it instead of a
35:42
constitutional amendment, which is
35:44
what it'll take is this informal compact where if enough
35:46
states can agree that they'll
35:48
vote for the popular vote
35:50
winner no matter what happens
35:52
in their
35:54
state and you get to two seventy, that will be
35:56
the way to do
35:59
this. And I forget
36:01
what count they're at, but eventually,
36:03
I do think we'll get to two hundred
36:05
and seventy. Cindy
36:06
and Bayview, Idaho, you're on the
36:08
air with Representative Connor. Oh, I
36:11
really appreciate this show. I'm up here
36:13
where equals abortion is illegal now. And
36:15
I was just wondering
36:17
if the Indian reservations couldn't
36:20
somehow finagle Thom way to make it
36:22
legal because they have -- in Idaho, we
36:24
do have gambling at
36:26
the reservations. City,
36:28
I
36:28
don't know the legality of that. I know that we've looked
36:31
at putting clinics on federal land.
36:33
I don't know what the rules
36:36
are with the tribes and what could be done, but
36:38
it's certainly worth looking into. Norm
36:40
in Tampa, Florida, you're on the
36:41
air with representative,
36:44
Connor. Yes, representative, Connor.
36:45
I I wanted my question is is
36:47
I wanna know when is Congress gonna
36:49
do something to reign
36:51
in the abuses of
36:53
the United States Drug Enforcement Agency.
36:56
And as we speak right now,
36:58
I have a case before
37:00
the that has been docketed
37:02
and as in discussion before the United States Supreme Court,
37:04
case 226 thousand, you can
37:06
look at this, that talks about
37:09
this very same issue where
37:11
they have gone on and targeted doctors
37:14
and they do not have the authority to
37:16
dictate the practice of medicine.
37:18
Congress never gave them
37:20
that authority. and made guidelines which they never had the
37:22
authority to do and
37:24
set evidently standards such
37:26
as red flag. We wish
37:28
we had a case called rule on the United
37:30
States where the supreme court ruled nine zero that the
37:32
DEA couldn't do yet. They continue to
37:35
do Thom. And it is because
37:38
Congress has failed to
37:40
to to reign in the You're talking normal
37:42
about the DEA going after doctors
37:44
who prescribed pain medication? Yeah. Yeah.
37:47
Okay. Congressmen? Well, this has
37:48
come up before Norman. I I think there
37:50
has to be a balance. I mean, I think
37:53
the problem was the pharmaceutical companies
37:56
initially that made profits on on home
37:58
goods, and so everyone got concerned
38:00
legitimately. So when those
38:02
pharmaceutical companies should be
38:04
held to criminal and civil standards.
38:06
But in the case of doctors
38:08
that are doing their jobs, that
38:11
are making good judgment Thom
38:14
should not be penalized
38:16
if they're operating within the
38:18
standard practice of medicine. And so we need to
38:20
make sure the pendulum doesn't swing too far
38:22
in going after good
38:24
faith acting VOTERS. And that
38:26
is something that we need to continue
38:29
Thom investigating and and perhaps legislative
38:31
in Congress. Susan Phoenix,
38:34
Arizona, you're on the air with the
38:36
representative, Connor.
38:37
Yes, representative colonel. I
38:40
reached out to Mark Kelly while
38:42
he was here. I'm a volunteer
38:44
for him. And I reached out in an email and told him why
38:46
Medicare Advantage was a scam.
38:48
And then he should look up your bill and
38:50
support it.
38:52
Here's an a representative FOCAN. He
38:54
came back to me and said, I support
38:56
Medicare Advantage. It gives seniors
39:00
more choices I emailed them
39:02
back and said, we don't want choices. We want
39:04
how paying our bills. And I send them a link
39:06
to Tom's article,
39:08
and he came back and sent me to a
39:10
caseworker. I was wondering if you
39:12
can reach out to senators like that and
39:14
educate them on these things. I don't think
39:18
they understand. Well, I
39:19
agree with you. That's why it's uphill. That's why it's
39:21
been uphill to get Medicare for all. That's why it's
39:23
been uphill to get dental, vision, and hearing
39:26
for medic Medicare, by
39:28
way. one reason that people choose
39:30
Medicare Advantage is because
39:32
many of those plans provide
39:34
dental, vision, and hearing. Now
39:36
they still, I think, are inferior
39:38
because you don't have everyone in that part
39:40
because you have to get claims preapproved. But
39:42
one reason that Bernie Sanders and so
39:44
many of us been pushing to have Medicare covered dental, vision,
39:46
and hearing is so that people don't have
39:48
to run to private insurance. So these things
39:50
are all
39:52
late. but you've got big
39:54
insurance companies that are preventing sensible common
39:56
sense reform. You know, I had
39:59
Thom delegation
40:00
of Taiwan in Taseemia, a deputy
40:02
foreign minister. And one of the state governments
40:04
is talking about the spread of China, etcetera,
40:06
and how all the Republicans are
40:09
standing with them. then he said something as he was leaving. He said, in Taiwan,
40:11
we have single care healthcare. It's absurd. No one pays
40:14
anything. It's more than ten bucks if
40:16
they have to deliver a baby. I said, you need
40:18
to talk some of the
40:20
Republican senators were so eager to
40:22
defend Taiwan about what
40:24
Taiwan's actually doing in terms of the quality of
40:26
life for its people. So we have a
40:28
uniquely broken health care system
40:30
here. Deborah in
40:30
Kansas City, Missouri are on the
40:33
air with the representative, Connor.
40:34
Thank you. Good afternoon, gentlemen.
40:37
My question today to the senator
40:39
is regarding your comment to the
40:41
gentleman on the instruction
40:44
participation and
40:47
members in
40:47
Congress -- Oh, the fourteenth. -- your comment was, yes, the thirteenth
40:49
and fourteenth
40:50
amendment. And my concern
40:52
is why is this now
40:56
necessary Thom have Congress a
40:58
majority vote, which is
41:00
the same party that participated
41:04
in the intersection. To me, that's just passing the buck down the
41:06
road and nothing's going to happen to these
41:09
gentlemen. We just say, oh, what
41:12
a shame. something needs to happen. I don't understand why
41:14
if that's in the
41:16
amendments, why is it now
41:18
necessary that this
41:20
same party is allowed is
41:22
going to be allowed to pass the
41:24
buck. Deborah, I share
41:25
your frustration. This is why, ultimately,
41:27
we need the Hartmann
41:29
Ultimately, this is why I have called for a
41:32
separate agency in the federal
41:34
government that actually goes CHOOSE corruption,
41:36
that goes
41:38
after misconduct. by elected officials because I don't think
41:40
Congress can police itself. But until
41:42
we have that agency right now that
41:44
authorities with the
41:46
justice Hartmann that is our
41:48
best bet. Congressman Rocata, Vice Chair of the Congressional Progressive caucus
41:50
representing California's seventeenth District,
41:52
the Silicon Valley area. In
41:55
the US House of Representatives on the line with us for
41:57
the hour. In our National Progressive Town
41:59
Hall meeting taking New York calls, we'll be back
42:02
with more of your calls for
42:04
Congress McConnell. in just a moment. You can find his website at khanuk, KHANNA
42:07
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42:09
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42:12
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42:14
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42:17
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42:20
rep that. The
42:23
Tom
42:25
Hartman University
42:28
Book Club today we're reading from League of the
42:31
Iroquois by Lewis Henry Morgan. This was
42:33
first published in eighteen fifty
42:36
one. Same decade that
42:38
Charles Darwin published origin
42:40
of species, a big deal at the time. And
42:42
when there
42:42
were still, you know, Iroquois
42:46
be talked with
42:46
and whatnot, you know,
42:47
living the way that they
42:50
were living, So this is
42:50
from Page eighty
42:51
nine, structure of the league. This is just
42:54
basically how the Iroquois Confederacy was put
42:56
together and
42:58
kind of anthropological perspective. In connection with the
43:00
power of the tribes to designate the
43:02
SOCOM as CHOOSE are the wise
43:04
elders, it should be noticed the equal power
43:06
of deposition If
43:09
by misconduct, Hasakim lost the confidence and respect of his tribe
43:11
and became unworthy of authority at tribal
43:13
council at once deposed
43:16
him. having selected a a council
43:18
of the league to perform the ceremony of
43:20
his investor. Still further
43:22
to illustrate the characteristics VICTORY
43:25
the tribes of the Iroquois, some reference to their
43:27
motive bestowing names would not be
43:30
inept. Soon after the birth of an infant, the
43:32
near relatives of the same tribes select
43:34
a name. At the
43:34
first subsequent council of the nation, the birth and name
43:37
are publicly announced together with the name
43:39
and tribe of the father and the name
43:41
and tribe of the mother. In
43:43
each nation, the
43:44
proper names were so strongly marked by
43:46
a tribal peculiarity that the tribe of
43:48
the individual could usually be determined from
43:51
the name alone. making
43:53
as they did a part of their language, they were
43:55
all significant. When an individual raised up as
43:57
a SOCOM, his original name was laid
43:59
aside and that
43:59
of Thom Suckham
44:02
chips was itself assumed. In like
44:04
manner, at the raising up of a chief, the
44:06
council of the nation, which performed the ceremony,
44:08
took away the former name of Sippian
44:11
chief and assigned him a new one, perhaps
44:13
like Napoleon's titles, commemorative of the
44:16
event which led to its bestowman.
44:18
Thus, when the celebrated red jacket was
44:20
elevated by election TO THE DIGNITY OF
44:22
A CHIEF. ITS ORIGINAL NAME
44:24
0TTTNNI
44:26
ALWAYS READY WAS TAKEN FROM HIM AND IN
44:28
HIS PLACE WAS STOWED. Sagoie
44:30
Wataha, keep her awake in
44:32
illusion to the powers of his eloquence. Each
44:34
tribe in the nation thus formed
44:37
a species of separate community. members
44:40
were all of consanguinity and
44:42
all their relationships are easily
44:44
traced. In like manner, those of the same tribe in
44:46
each of the other nations were their consanguinity
44:48
and their relationships near
44:50
in Erlo were also traceable. As
44:52
two tribes were necessarily joined in
44:54
each family, there was a perfect diffusion
44:57
of tribes throughout the nation and throughout the league. But
44:59
whenever somebody got married, they had to marry somebody
45:01
from a different tribe. remarkable.
45:04
In this manner, the race of the Iroquois, although consisting
45:06
of different nations, was blended
45:09
into one people. The league
45:11
was in effect established and
45:13
rested for its stability upon the natural
45:16
faith of Kindred.
45:18
It now remains to define a tribe of
45:21
the Haudenosee of the Iroquois. From the
45:23
preceding considerations, it sufficiently appears that it
45:25
was not like the Grecian and Roman, a
45:27
circular group of families. for
45:29
two tribes were necessarily represented in
45:31
every family. Neither like the Jewish
45:33
was a constituted of the lineal descendants
45:35
of a common from other.
45:37
On the contrary, It distinctly involved the idea of descent from a
45:39
common mother. Thom has it any resemblance
45:42
to the Scottish clan or the Canton
45:44
or the
45:46
Switzer. In the formation of an Iroquois tribe, a portion was taken from many
45:48
households and bound together by a tribal
45:50
bond. The wife, her children, and
45:52
her descendants in the female line, would
45:56
in perpetuity, be linked to the destinies of her own tribe. While
45:58
a husband, his brother, and sisters, and the
45:59
descendants of the latter, and the female line
46:02
would in like manner be united to
46:04
another tribe, and led by
46:06
its affinities. Erin was a bond of
46:08
union between the several tribes of the same
46:10
nation corresponding to some degree with
46:12
the cross relationship founded
46:14
upon consanguinity. which bound
46:16
together the tribes of the same Emblem
46:18
in the different nations.
46:20
The Iroquois claimed to have originated the
46:22
idea of a division of the people in
46:24
the tribes as a means of creating new relationships by which to buy in people
46:26
more firmly together is further
46:28
asserted by them that they forced or
46:31
introduced this social organization Among
46:33
the Cherokee's, the chipaways, the Mississagas,
46:36
and several other Indian nations with whom
46:38
in ancient times, they were in
46:40
constant intercourse. Thom fact that this
46:42
division of the people of the same nation in the
46:44
tribes does not prevail generally
46:46
among our Indian races favors the
46:48
assertion of the Iroquois. other
46:50
laws of descent, at least to the crown,
46:52
among the aesthetics, dimly shadows
46:54
for the existence of a similar
46:56
social organization. which may have been
46:58
reproduced among the Iroquois are preserved through a
47:00
remote affinity of blood. At
47:02
all events, it was the life and strength of
47:04
the Iroquois League. Of the comparative
47:06
value of these institutions when
47:08
contrasted with those of civilized country and of
47:10
their capability of elevating the
47:12
race, it is not necessary here
47:14
to inquire. It was the boast of
47:16
the Iroquois that the great object of their
47:18
confederacy was peace, breakup
47:20
the spirit of perpetual warfare, which had
47:22
wasted the red race from age to age.
47:24
Such an insight into the true end of all legitimate government
47:26
by those who constructed this tribal
47:29
league excites as great surprise
47:32
as admiration. IT IS THE HIGHEST NOBLESS
47:34
ASBECT IN WHICH HUMAN INSTITUTIONS CAN
47:36
BE VIEWED AND THE THOUGHT ITSELF, UNIVERSAL
47:38
PEACE AMONG INDIAN RACES
47:41
POSSIBLE OF ATTAINMENT, was array of intellect from no
47:43
ordinary mind. To consummate such a purpose, the
47:46
Iroquois nation were to be concentrated into
47:48
one political
47:50
fraternity. in a manner effectively to prevent offshoots and secession.
47:52
By its natural growth, this
47:54
fraternity would accumulate sufficient power
47:57
and then they go on by affiliation to merge everything
47:59
into one common family. A
48:02
remarkable
48:02
book written in eighteen fifty
48:04
one League of the Iroquois Henry or Henry
48:08
Award.
48:12
AND WELCOME
48:16
BACK, ROGER.
48:17
IN SEATTLEIST NKBCS, YOU ARE ON
48:19
THE AIR WITH REPRESENTICONA.
48:22
Hey, thank you very much. I have
48:23
a question regarding the Social
48:26
Security with the like the
48:28
firemen and
48:30
the teachers. CHOOSE, I'm
48:32
a railroad worker. I put in Thom
48:36
and when you were paying thirty
48:38
two dollars a
48:40
month for Social Security, I was paying a hundred dollars a month
48:42
for the railroad, but I also have over
48:44
twenty years of
48:46
Social Security. And can
48:48
I get on that list with the railroad
48:50
workers and the
48:52
CHOOSE? That's it. Thank you. Well,
48:55
my view is anyone who has worked
48:57
and earned Social Security should get to keep
48:59
that Social Security regardless of what job
49:01
you do ask
49:04
afterwards. I mean, that is one of you to work for, you earn, you should
49:06
keep it. If you go and then become a teacher,
49:08
a firefighter, a railroad worker,
49:10
that couldn't disqualify you. from
49:14
the work you did in the Social
49:16
Security you earned. And that is the
49:18
bill that John Larsen has to
49:20
fix the windfall
49:22
exemption provision and
49:24
that is what many progressives are pushing for
49:26
a vote. We haven't been able to get a
49:28
vote in the House that just honestly
49:31
we've had people be reluctant to vote on some of
49:33
the provisions there. My view, that's a
49:36
mistake. We need to vote on Thom Social
49:38
Security bill. D in
49:40
Alto Dina, California, you're on the air with
49:42
Congress from Canada. Yes.
49:44
I
49:44
would like to find out about
49:47
the January six hearing committee, are they going to
49:49
move that to the Senate so where
49:51
there's going to be a majority if they're
49:53
not going to do
49:56
anything with it right now because if it comes
49:58
-- if we wait until after
50:01
the new Congress
50:03
comes in, then it
50:06
may never be tabled. And I
50:08
understand Thom somehow
50:10
they're propping margarita or
50:14
green up. you know, to to
50:16
hold either speaker.
50:18
So, I mean, it's kind of
50:20
scary and and I thought that
50:23
where would be part of
50:25
the January sixth in
50:28
selection? So where does this go?
50:30
d? Thank
50:32
you. Well, I I
50:33
think it's an ingenious suggestion actually to have the
50:35
senate continue some of the investigation.
50:37
I don't know
50:40
senate rules, but if they could, that would be one way
50:43
of continuing the work because obviously Thom first
50:45
thing the Republicans are gonna do
50:47
is shut down the January
50:50
sixth committee, and I share
50:52
your view that we need to continue
50:54
to investigate it. And it's also gonna
50:56
put more a continued burden on justice, which ultimately
50:58
this is a law enforcement matter.
51:00
Look, people broke in to
51:02
the capital. for the worker
51:04
talk. I mean, they literally broke in.
51:06
They marched past police officers.
51:08
They threatened to kill people.
51:11
This is not in political. This is criminal.
51:13
Thom people engage in criminal acts and they have to
51:15
be held responsible as well as people who
51:17
directly aided and embedded them. Congress,
51:19
and we just have thirty seconds to the
51:21
break. Has there been any,
51:24
you know, clear information about
51:26
whether members of congress, some some members
51:28
of congress were actually giving guided tours to the people who then
51:30
participated in this assault on the
51:32
capital? Tom, I've just
51:34
seen
51:34
public reporting on
51:36
it, and I I don't think that there has been any significant
51:40
investigation or results of that. Is the
51:42
ethics committee looking
51:44
into it? I I do think the ethics committee is looking at it,
51:46
but but but candidly, this is beyond the
51:48
ethics committee. This is a justice
51:50
department. I show it. My hope is
51:52
that they'll gives
51:54
the results of their investigation. If if no one did it, then
51:56
they should come out and say Thom. And if people
51:58
did it, they need to be held
51:59
accountable. Yeah.
52:02
Oh, man. Congressman Raucona is with us for the hour
52:04
taking New York calls. You can find his
52:06
website at cona, KHANNA
52:08
dot us dot gov. You can tweet him at
52:10
rep Raucona.
52:12
his new book. Dignity in the digital age really with checking
52:14
out as well. We'll be right
52:18
back.
52:29
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52:30
with you. You can be calling
52:32
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52:34
let them know what you think by calling
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52:38
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switchboard. It'll get you right through to him.
52:46
Congressman O'Connor with us taking your
52:48
calls, and Tim and Aloha, you
52:50
are on the air with Congressman O'Connor.
52:54
Yeah. the
52:55
-- what's happening with Marjorie
52:58
Taylor Green, what are you guys going to
53:00
do to pursue some
53:02
act against the Supreme Court to increase
53:05
the number of people there, because that isn't
53:07
just a two or four year or six year
53:09
range. We're talking about generational. This
53:11
is scary stuff. you're going to have to get
53:14
more people in the Supreme Court or what
53:16
you can accomplish is going to be
53:18
destroyed just
53:20
like affordable care act and everything else?
53:22
What would I recommended as
53:24
limits? And that is consistent with what
53:27
the president's on commission has
53:30
said, No one should be there more than eighteen years. The president
53:32
should get two appointments after you're done
53:34
in the Supreme Court. Go
53:36
to the appellate court. and that
53:39
would significantly reform the court and not have these
53:41
absurd situations where people are there forty,
53:43
fifty years and making decisions
53:45
that are totally
53:48
up out of touch with everyday reality of people's lives.
53:50
Raymond in Douglasville,
53:51
Georgia, you are on the air
53:53
with representative Connor. Well,
53:56
thank you for putting me on. Thank you, Tom.
53:58
Thank you, Thom Cana, for your
53:59
good work. Very simple
54:02
question. My mother is enrolled
54:04
in WellCare. and we'd
54:06
like to get it switched up back to
54:08
Medicare before the deadline. How
54:10
do we do that?
54:12
Thank
54:12
you. I please contact our office or you're picking
54:14
up this person's office, and they can help with
54:16
that in the case where and I assume
54:18
WellCare is a Medicare Advantage plan
54:21
you can switch back in open enrollment, which is
54:24
around now to Medicare. You have to be
54:26
careful to make sure you get
54:28
Thom Medigap insurance, which is often supplemental, and sometimes
54:31
Medigap insurance, it can deny
54:33
those things if you're switching back.
54:35
And that's why it's it's
54:38
harmful for people to switch in the first place
54:40
if they don't know all the facts. So please
54:42
contact one of the caseworkers either in
54:44
our office or your own Congress for
54:47
his office, and we can try to help. Bob
54:49
and
54:49
Ashville, North Carolina are on the air with the
54:52
representative, Connor.
54:54
Hello, representative. I have a question for
54:56
you. I'm a retired state
54:58
employee teacher in North Carolina. For
55:00
decades, we've had Blue Cross Blue Shield
55:02
insurance and part of our retirement as
55:05
that carries over and becomes a supplement for us with
55:07
our Medicare. This year with our
55:10
GPP legislators
55:13
VOTERS switched and dropped Blue Cross
55:15
Blue Shield and forced this out onto a
55:17
Humana Medicare Advantage Plan,
55:20
which in
55:22
my thoughts that's going to take all these retirees out of Medicare
55:24
and forced them into
55:26
this advantage plan. And other
55:28
callers to Thomas said this is happening
55:32
in States as well. This could be a massive
55:34
loss of revenue
55:38
and Medicare recipients
55:40
and could really harm Medicare because
55:42
of that. I don't know what we can do.
55:44
Well, my
55:45
concern is not just harming
55:47
Medicare, it's harming you and your colleagues because Medicare
55:50
Advantage, like I said, you have to go to
55:52
in network doctors, you have to
55:54
get prior authorization to
55:56
get things approved for
55:58
medicine or procedures, sometimes
56:00
too often they deny those requests,
56:02
whereas you never get those denied with
56:05
Medicare. So Please raise this with your member of congress.
56:07
Let's see what we can do,
56:09
especially if this transfer in Thom
56:11
was done without your knowledge
56:13
or your consent for benefits you were owed. Congress, my
56:16
understanding is that
56:18
the conversation among Republicans
56:22
around this is
56:22
that once over fifty and certainly over sixty
56:25
percent of Medicare recipients have
56:27
shifted over to Medicare Advantage,
56:30
The next time Republicans have control, you know, of
56:32
the levers of power, they will simply say. The American
56:34
public have voted. The majority of Americans no
56:37
longer want Medicare. They want that advantage.
56:39
So we're gonna just shut down and phase out
56:42
over the next five years. The Medicare
56:44
program put everybody on Medicare Advantage.
56:46
That'll be the end of that. And then we'll
56:48
be happy Thom talk about Bernie Sanders' Medicare for all, because it'll be
56:50
Medicare Advantage for all, which is exactly where we
56:52
were thirty years ago. What do
56:54
you think?
56:54
what are you I
56:56
think that's cynically right, Tom. In fact, I had
56:58
an executive and tell me an
57:00
insurance executive. I don't really have
57:03
a problem. earnings interest in Medicare for all of your support to get broke,
57:05
because it's gonna end up being Medicare Advantage for
57:07
all people are basically moving into this
57:10
Medicare Advantage
57:12
plan. but people should realize that that is going to be with basically
57:14
ration care. That's what it
57:16
is. It's the Medicare Advantage
57:19
private insurance boards getting to decide what
57:21
they want to cover. Right now,
57:23
they're going after the relatively healthier
57:26
population. But as people who
57:28
have real illnesses continue to
57:30
to to get and select these plans, the country
57:32
is going to be in for a rude
57:34
awakening. you know, it's not a
57:37
good thing. Congressman, thanks so much for dropping
57:39
by today and taking off. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving time.
57:41
Thank you. Thank you for calling the Lester Thank you
57:43
and the same to you and your family, congressman. Thank
57:45
you so much.
57:46
We'll be back
57:48
with more of
57:51
the new and more of my thoughts and yours in
57:53
this kind of national town hall meeting we
57:55
have here every day on the Tom Hartman program. And
57:57
in the meantime, don't forget democracy
57:59
is
57:59
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58:02
touted to be. It requires you.
58:04
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