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, so today's guest is a previous listener

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favorite . I got to sit down with Anthony

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. Anthony was on episode 129

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and we talked in depth about

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his diagnosis during

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his time wrestling at the Ohio State

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University and his

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transition from being

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a non-diabetic to being

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diagnosed with diabetes and trying to figure

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out how to deal with diabetes while

2:00

playing at a collegiate level and

2:03

during that transition , being able

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to have access to

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all of Ohio State's medical team and athletic trainers

2:11

and coaches and dieticians

2:13

and all this support that he was able

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to get at diagnosis and

2:17

his ability , with all that support , to

2:20

learn really fast on how to deal with

2:22

diabetes and still be able to compete

2:24

at a high level . And now

2:26

his transition from having all that

2:28

support and now being basically

2:30

a civilian outside of the collegiate

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you know , be competing at a

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collegiate level and now coaching

2:37

and competing in Jiu

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Jitsu and learning how

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to transition from all that support to

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not having all that support , you know , basically

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being a civilian . So those are the things that

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we talked about in this episode and I'm really

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excited for you guys to listen

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to the conversation and learn

2:55

more about Anthony

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and his transition to , you

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know , trying to figure out diabetes

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without all of that support that he

3:04

had when he was at Ohio State . So

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, without further ado , let's get with

3:08

Anthony man

3:15

. What's up how you doing ? We got you

3:17

back , man . We got you back on

3:19

the show . Yeah , man

3:22

, absolutely , it's good to have you back

3:24

on , man . Last episode that you were on

3:26

was 129 .

3:28

Yeah , dude , you know I've been

3:31

noticing you're crushing on the media game . Your Instagram

3:33

is popping off . Yeah , man

3:36

, you're crushing it . That's awesome to hear .

3:38

Yeah , man , it's been a fun

3:40

ride with all these different products

3:42

and getting this year

3:44

just situated and taking

3:46

care of is already . You know , one

3:48

speaking engagement already set

3:51

up for 2025 or

3:53

24 . So , yeah

3:56

, we're podcast is doing great

3:58

and you know , business

4:00

is going good . It's going well , jim family's

4:03

doing good . I have no complaints

4:05

. So , yeah , the diabetes

4:07

is going great . Just got another A1C

4:09

today , still at 6.1 . So

4:12

it's holding strong , brother

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.

4:14

You know , I've always said my favorite

4:16

number is seven . You know , growing up , but

4:18

now that I'm a diabetic I think it's six and five

4:20

Hearing that from you it

4:23

makes you want to work towards it .

4:24

Yeah man Like I just , yeah , yeah , I

4:27

know , there's like still , I

4:29

constantly talk about you know people listening

4:32

to this . I'm constantly talking about figuring out

4:34

what works for you . And it's

4:36

so true because even

4:39

me , like knowing what

4:42

works , having everything figured out

4:44

at least I believe I have everything figured out

4:47

I still know there's room for improvement

4:49

and that

4:52

doesn't just like drive me every day Like it makes

4:54

me like passionate to keep learning

4:56

the things I don't even know . I

4:59

had a conversation with someone the other day and I just

5:01

they said something . I'm like oh my God , yeah , that was

5:03

. It was like mind blowing because

5:06

I've thought about that type of stuff before , thought about it before

5:08

, but it was something that just popped

5:10

in my brain . That because it's not on my daily

5:12

radar , and when something's not on your

5:14

daily radar , you just don't think about

5:16

it . So it's just , it's

5:19

an important thing to keep driving

5:21

home of constantly trying to learn

5:24

, even when you know you figured everything

5:26

out .

5:27

Yeah , man , I'm always trying

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to correct and re-correct

5:31

or just like get back to the script

5:33

and learn more . So that's great .

5:35

Yeah , yeah , how's

5:37

, how's everything with you ? You're in

5:40

jiu-jitsu now like big time

5:42

. How's everything going , man ?

5:44

Yeah , it's crazy that you say you know in , because

5:46

I've been doing it for a while . I just I'm

5:48

back in it . So it feels like you

5:50

know I'm back , like

5:52

yeah , it's great

5:55

, I'm really excited .

5:57

I think .

5:58

I think the energy has been so different

6:00

for me I think there's

6:02

less , less nerves and

6:04

more fun . So it's been . It's been really entertaining

6:06

for me and getting back into shape has

6:08

been fun and not

6:10

a lot of times . People have fun working

6:13

out . So , yeah , I hear that for

6:15

sure .

6:17

What , what would like ? What is your

6:19

numbers band ? Because I want to . I want to dive into

6:21

like how you've changed things up . Last

6:24

time I last time we spoke

6:26

a while back it

6:29

was just coming out of out of school almost

6:31

, and like all that stuff and

6:33

like you wrestling at Ohio State and

6:35

we talked a lot about how you managed

6:37

your blood sugars . Yeah , I

6:39

think wrestling and stuff , and I'd love

6:42

to to kind of dive into

6:44

that of , like , you know , how are the blood sugars been

6:46

going since you , you know , since wrestling

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?

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Dude , my diabetes changes every

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day . I think , just

6:54

knowing that , I think

6:56

my diabetes changes a lot , man . So just

6:58

looking back from the last time we spoke , you

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know my numbers have been , you

7:03

know , roller coaster , but steady as

7:05

much as they can be . So I

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don't refract from perfection per

7:09

se but like I do notice

7:11

, like some similar , you know , patterns

7:13

, but you know I'm back to finger pricking sometimes

7:16

, I'm on a CGM , sometimes adjusting

7:19

my basal sometimes , and I'm just I'm

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trying to be aware of my day like the

7:24

most planned way . So I'm very strategic

7:26

with my days . I think just

7:29

seeing patterns and learning about them like

7:31

helped me control my numbers . And even

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though I've been traveling , you

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know you see a little bit more of fluctuation

7:38

in the numbers , but it feels rewarding

7:41

at the end if you have a good week or you

7:43

know you notice a perfect day . So my

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numbers have been great , man . I've

7:48

been trucking along . I try to stay , you

7:51

know , within the range of 100

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and 150 and less

7:56

than spending time in the highs or lows

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, like I just try to spend time in the range and that's

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like a game for me .

8:02

So yeah , that's awesome , man . How

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are you doing , like , when you're actually practicing

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or competing ? Like , how are the numbers

8:09

? Do you like to be at it , like set at a

8:11

specific number ? You

8:14

know , when you're actually on the mat , when you're actually

8:16

competing , practicing , is there like

8:18

a number that you like to start at because you

8:20

know you'll fall a little bit , or vice versa

8:23

? What ? What does that look like ?

8:25

Yeah , it's crazy because there's so many different types

8:27

of Wrestling , or I mean practices

8:30

and jiu-jitsu , or even if I'm just going

8:32

to the gym to lift weights or just do a little bit of cardio

8:34

. So each , each different activity is

8:36

is different for me , but I

8:38

like to feel comfortable , like 160

8:41

, and I know some , you know , and those

8:43

might get mad at me , for you know hanging out in

8:45

the 161 80 range because

8:47

if it's an extensive long

8:49

practice practice , I'll have to consume

8:51

something at some point . Yeah

8:54

, rather than that , I'll also go down because

8:56

of the the high activity level . So I

8:58

like to be around 161

9:01

80 because I'll anticipate going

9:03

down from the Workout and

9:05

then just overall the

9:07

duration as well . So I

9:09

like to keep less food around . Because , you

9:11

know , stopping to eat just I've

9:14

never really Notice

9:16

that and until it was me doing it . And and

9:18

when I've seen someone , you know , stop and eat , like I Just

9:21

would much rather be quick and and not have

9:23

it , you know , resist me from a good training

9:25

, or like make me sit out for too long because

9:28

I can't feel my body , or yeah .

9:29

Yeah , certain things . So the interesting piece

9:31

to that , then , is is that

9:34

is there like a specific time

9:36

, like duration into practice , into

9:39

a match , that your blood sugars

9:41

start Trending down

9:43

more where you'd have to take action to

9:45

help bring them up or keep them steady ?

9:48

Well , it really depends

9:50

on you know your consistency in your days , because

9:52

if you have an early workout , you know when

9:54

your nights are high and

9:57

you wake up with high sugar . You have

9:59

to correct , and then you have to correct for

10:01

the activity as well , as you know , the

10:04

basal in your long lasting . So again , there's . There's

10:06

more and more different workouts for me in the day

10:08

, but if I'm looking at , like you

10:11

know , going into a workout mid-afternoon

10:13

around one , having

10:16

, you know , a steady number of 160

10:18

180 . I like to consume like

10:20

something like with a little bit of fat , a Little

10:23

bit of sodium , like like I had you know

10:25

suggested , and give you these salt drinks

10:27

. I really , really love those . I like

10:29

going into any workout with

10:31

, you know , zero sugar or a lecture like drink

10:33

that you know makes you feel good

10:35

the duration . But then I also

10:37

like to consume a little snack , like you

10:40

know , maybe some almonds , or you know I do

10:42

like peanuts and I do like Just

10:45

short like snack on the way , you

10:47

know , to the workout or if I'm driving and

10:49

it's not gonna , you know , stop me from getting

10:51

there on time .

10:52

But yeah , I like that man , that's

10:55

cool .

10:55

Yeah , man .

10:56

Um , what like when you because

10:59

you talked about traveling and we talked a little bit

11:01

off air About

11:03

you traveling and the fact you're traveling so much

11:05

, like you know , moving from

11:07

Ohio to New Jersey , back

11:10

to California like how

11:13

was traveling right now with your blood sugars

11:15

me doing something specific to help with

11:17

your blood sugars during travel ? What

11:20

does that look like ?

11:21

Yeah , it just looks like a very , very prepared

11:24

Anthony .

11:24

Yeah , instead of like that answer .

11:27

I've prepared , anthony man , just

11:29

knowing where all my supplies are at , and and

11:31

snacks , because I try to stay away from

11:34

refined sugar when I'm traveling Because

11:36

I'm not active , right , I'm sitting on a plane . Most

11:38

times I'm , you know , reading or sleeping and yeah

11:42

, so it's been good because I've

11:44

been prepared enough , you know

11:46

, for it , but it's , it has

11:49

it up . It's ups and downs , you know . Sometimes

11:51

you know I'll be on a flight and my sugar will

11:53

be at 220 and

11:55

there's no water coming from

11:58

there , the flight attendant and I've already finished my

12:00

canteen , so Sometimes that

12:02

that struggles , you know , and when

12:04

I get off the plane I immediately drink a ton of water and

12:07

re-correct her . I'm just , I'm staying

12:09

active as well as like not

12:11

being active on an airplane or or behind

12:13

a bus or a Uber . So I'm trying

12:15

to Write down , but

12:17

if I , if I'm traveling , I tend

12:19

to , you know , stay away from writing down , or if my notepads

12:22

or I just like read

12:24

labels a lot , yeah if it's in

12:27

a package .

12:27

Yeah , so you're talking about writing down

12:29

. Are you talking about writing down your blood sugars and tracking

12:32

that way ? Yeah , you say writing down

12:34

. Is that what you're referring to ?

12:35

home . I would , I would , I would Be

12:38

good , like as far as similar meals

12:40

that I eat . I would write down my number before and

12:42

then write down my number , you know , 20 minutes after To

12:45

see where it brought me , because then I could correct my

12:47

insulin and then I could , you know , revisit

12:51

that without having to even look and my

12:53

numbers would be great . So the same thing with

12:56

you know some of the the high fructose

12:58

, high , high sodium . You know

13:00

snacks that you do encounter while traveling

13:02

. Like you know , I do love peanuts on a plane

13:05

. Or you know Pretzels on a plane given

13:07

to me , or just anything right . So

13:09

if I'm just grabbing

13:11

a , a

13:13

label from the airport or you

13:15

know a store and traveling , I like to

13:17

write it down because then it I'm aware of what I'm

13:19

eating , because it's away from what's in my home

13:22

, and like if I'm Conscious

13:24

of that many calories or

13:26

that many carbs , I Don't

13:28

want to go through that much insulin

13:30

throughout the day and like , yeah , just be

13:32

all that sluggish feeling .

13:34

Yeah , and I think that there's another

13:36

layer To

13:39

you know kind of tell the listeners on

13:41

with this , because you're talking about calories

13:43

, you're talking about sugar , you're talking about carbohydrates

13:46

, you're talking about tracking and covering

13:48

for you know , different blood

13:50

sugars . But the other thing , when

13:52

we talk about those concepts

13:55

or those thought processes , is that

13:57

you're also trying not to Gain

13:59

or lose a bunch of weight , because you're

14:01

competing , yeah , and , and it's part

14:03

of your sport that you have to make sure you

14:05

maintain a specific weight , so

14:07

that that's the other like Elephant

14:10

in the room and all this .

14:11

Yeah , definitely , you know , huge shift in wrestling

14:14

and jiu-jitsu for me with weight . But , yeah

14:16

, conscious of your weight is huge and

14:18

any combat sport , just because you

14:20

know you got to be comfortable as well as

14:22

, like , you know , opponent , you know , facing the

14:24

same size . So I've always

14:27

been , you know , knowledgeable

14:30

on the subject and cut weight , but not

14:32

until I step into a house . They got

14:34

flown with education

14:37

from these dietitians and and practitioners

14:39

and and Ochronologists and and

14:41

all that , all these good people . But the

14:44

weight is crazy because it helps learn

14:46

diabetes , I feel like , because , just

14:48

like counting my carbs , I'm counting the

14:50

weight from the same item

14:53

that I'm eating and then it's Going

14:55

through my body if it's you know

14:57

grown on trees , and it's not if it's in a package

14:59

.

14:59

So yeah , I

15:02

, yeah , I just I think that that

15:04

is an important piece to kind of bring back

15:06

, because it's it's

15:08

not just about one person

15:10

Trying to figure out how

15:13

do I deal with all this stuff when I'm traveling , but it's

15:15

there's another layer to it and

15:17

I think that that that layer has a lot

15:19

of Important pieces

15:22

, because so many of us are either

15:24

trying to maintain , lose or gain weight

15:26

. I mean , those are the three things you're gonna be

15:28

doing . You know a lot

15:30

of people that listen to this

15:33

show are athletes like yourself

15:35

. A lot of people who listen to this show wanna

15:37

lose weight . A lot of people on this show

15:39

wanna gain weight because they're athletes . So

15:42

it's one of those things that's an important piece

15:44

that I don't talk about

15:46

that often because of the topics

15:48

that we're talking about , but making

15:50

sure that it's not just

15:52

about the blood sugars

15:55

and correcting those blood sugars

15:57

and being proactive with your blood sugars

15:59

. It's also about the other

16:01

things that you have set as goals in

16:03

your life , totally man , just like you said it

16:06

.

16:06

So not even just like a number in

16:08

weight , I think , just being comfortable

16:10

in a weight where you know you can take your shirt

16:13

off and look good or feel good even . And

16:15

I've been around the same

16:17

weight for the last seven , eight years and

16:20

I've always gone the weight class under

16:22

and I've had no problem losing 10

16:26

or wherever many pounds . I don't wanna get extensive

16:29

on the weight distribution , dropping

16:31

and stuff , but yeah

16:33

, man , just get comfortable with the weight and then just

16:36

taking care of yourself totally and all

16:38

aspects helps for sure .

16:43

Yeah , so then let's circle back to the weight piece .

16:47

I had a feeling you were gonna say that .

16:48

Yeah , let's circle back to this , because this

16:51

is an important piece for people

16:53

, not just listening to this podcast

16:55

, but people in general , of what the difference

16:57

is , right . So the first question is

17:00

is let's put a

17:02

face on what it's really

17:04

like in terms of gaining weight

17:06

going up weight class , down weight class

17:09

, jiu-jitsu , wrestling , whatever it is in

17:12

college right , when you were in college

17:14

, because it's totally different in college

17:16

when you were in college . Then it is now right

17:19

, it's a totally different way you're losing weight . It's

17:21

a totally different way you're going down to

17:23

the next weight class . So let's start

17:25

there . What was the kind

17:27

of ? What was your week ? What did

17:29

your week look like either ? Nutrition wise

17:31

, blood sugar wise

17:34

, how the weight had

17:36

to come off , how much weight you had to lose , everything

17:38

you know to get ready to go down

17:40

to that next weight class . What

17:45

was that like in college ?

17:47

Man nuts in

17:49

short , nuts , but I think just diving

17:52

into it was just like new to me and

17:55

learning about diabetes

17:58

. While I was so aware

18:00

of fluctuating in my weight , I

18:02

feel like it helped me . Like losing

18:04

weight , you can't

18:06

eat so-and-so crap

18:09

or refined sugar or

18:11

stuff that's not growing in the trees or that's

18:13

in packages , and when you

18:15

do so it stops , you

18:17

know , your body from losing

18:20

that weight easily . It stays in your body , high sodium

18:22

stays in your body , sits in your face and

18:24

a lot of things that just sit on

18:26

you . You could work out as many

18:28

times and get over

18:30

exhausted and it just still

18:33

is there sitting , because that's

18:35

what it's for . It's for . You

18:37

know your escape to feel good and to

18:40

sit on you and poison

18:42

you essentially , but no

18:44

it helped me . I think

18:46

watching my weight helped

18:49

me watch my sugar , because

18:51

if I was so strategic

18:53

man , I think the advice

18:55

and help from Ohio State was crazy helpful

18:59

and it

19:02

was just really , really awesome to be around

19:04

because I learned so much as far as like

19:06

what to do to be organized . So then

19:08

I took it upon myself because , you know

19:10

, I only wrestled from 16 to 18

19:12

and going

19:15

through the weight distribution with

19:17

a dietitian was a little bit different because you

19:19

know it was this petite

19:21

30 year old lady and

19:24

she's never wrestled but she's a great

19:26

dietitian . So I was like a sponge

19:28

when I was around her and you know she would

19:30

advise me to just start . This

19:33

is a great starter for newbies or anyone you

19:35

know that's in an athletic world or

19:37

trying to watch their weight is

19:40

like you start with the first week

19:42

, seven days , writing

19:45

down all of the food you consume

19:47

. I just want to see what food you put in

19:49

your mouth . I don't care if it's good or bad , I just

19:51

want you to write it all . Once

19:53

you get a total seven days of that , then you

19:55

can start to see the numbers on that because , aside

19:58

from what you consume , then I want you to

20:00

write how to make you feel . You

20:02

know you can get silly , maybe feel like sluggish

20:05

crap you know , and then you read it

20:07

and it shows you

20:09

know what you shouldn't and shouldn't do , or

20:11

what you should do when you do it . And

20:13

just watching

20:15

my weight , so I was really , really hydrated

20:18

. I try to drink like 200 ounces of water

20:20

a day even when I'm not on the mat

20:22

.

20:22

That's a lot of water .

20:23

Yeah , and just

20:27

high protein breakfasts

20:29

, low fat and , you

20:31

know , snacks throughout the day , and

20:34

I'm getting my steps in , at least eight to 10

20:36

K steps a day . That's

20:38

allowing me to circulate my metabolism

20:41

. Excuse me when I'm , you

20:44

know , not exercising , so when I do my

20:46

radars , my guns are going . You know , I'm

20:48

up , I'm ready and I'm explosive

20:51

because I'm hydrated , I'm

20:53

refueled on great nutrients and

20:55

I'm just explosive . So

20:57

I think , just like treating your body

21:00

, you know , like you

21:02

deserve , it will allow you to perform better

21:04

. But not even , you know , because some

21:07

practices that go Extensively

21:10

and you know I rushed to practice and

21:12

I only grabbed , you know , one bar instead

21:14

of a whole bag that , you know , my

21:17

mom or aunt told me to do and I

21:19

just had been like , all

21:22

right , you're learning , you're learning

21:24

, so I have to train . For , you

21:26

know , two three-hour practices in your head

21:29

and then , every time , if you think you're gonna

21:31

have those , you have a one .

21:32

You're good .

21:33

So I'm like , okay , now that I'm prepared

21:35

for you know , hard two-hour practice

21:37

, I'll be be well

21:39

prepared with my snacks , with my , my refueled

21:42

, and then my energy will be up and then you can have

21:44

a great practice . So I think just staying hydrated

21:46

is one for sure and

21:49

then slowly downsizing

21:51

that weekly track of yours , because

21:54

when you start to change it

21:56

, you know , with a health advisor or

21:58

even by yourself , like you don't need anyone

22:00

else to tell you to stop eating . You

22:02

know a fistful of whatever .

22:05

Yeah , you don't need to be . You don't need someone to tell you

22:07

to stop going to McDonald's all time .

22:09

Exactly . I think that should be clear . And

22:11

I speak , you know , highly McDonald's

22:14

at times , but I didn't have it .

22:16

So I was 21 and

22:18

you know I'm not a big fan of like .

22:22

You know certain like Let

22:25

me start over with that , because that was a , you

22:27

know . And there's a Ocho Sinko reference

22:29

with McDonald's and he loves it . He

22:32

eats McDonald's any trains and he's one

22:34

of the fastest athletes in the world , but

22:36

he's a . He's the one percenter exactly

22:38

. So I want to be that one percenter

22:40

, except I want to stay away from that crap

22:42

. If something's on the corner , it's

22:44

not because they're a good burger restaurant , it's

22:47

because they're a good real estate marketing company

22:49

that knows how to sell you on a

22:51

burger that looks like it's .

22:53

Amazing times , better on camera and taste

22:56

amazing , and the whole nine yards . So

22:58

, yes , this is good

23:00

stuff . So let's , let's talk

23:02

about this . When you were in college , how many calories

23:04

per day were you consuming , compared to now

23:06

?

23:06

that you know . That's actually a good question . I

23:09

think I'd have to look into some of my

23:11

my name . A wild guess , yeah , probably

23:13

like 22 , 2300

23:15

, I think in college .

23:17

Yeah , what are you doing now ?

23:19

Here's the thing , not as much . You

23:22

know , if you're not grounded and rooted with , you

23:24

know , a fridge , and You're

23:27

not gonna be be able to unless you're

23:29

, you're , you're really , really on top

23:31

of it and you know , stay now my aunt's has

23:33

its , has its pros and cons and

23:35

one of them you know as being it's . I'm always

23:38

fed good food and I can't stop eating when I'm

23:40

there . So just knowing

23:42

you know my calories , I

23:44

didn't even care for . I just was more curious

23:47

as to like which one did I feel good

23:49

at , because I think in college I was probably

23:51

eating the most , and when I mean eating

23:53

the most is because I had a lot of Tough

23:56

practices and right now , jiu Jitsu

23:58

from wrestling is not . You

24:00

know the same as far as , like

24:02

, getting Outworked

24:05

from you know well , yeah , you're

24:07

talking , yeah , you're talking

24:09

, or someone tough on you .

24:10

Yeah , you're talking about collegiate , high-level

24:13

wrestling , compared to

24:15

Jiu Jitsu where you're

24:17

going and practicing and

24:19

getting ready for competition and

24:21

go to meet and to go compete .

24:23

You know , nice , but it this , but it's not the same

24:25

, it's not the same intensity , it's a different

24:27

intensity and then that could be , that could be looked

24:29

in any way because , like , I'm speaking as

24:31

far as just like going through the

24:33

you know the basic and you

24:36

know trial of Jiu Jitsu if

24:38

you want to take it to the next level . I know guys like

24:40

Joao and pal meow in New Jersey

24:43

, if you're ever there and you want to learn Jiu Jitsu

24:45

.

24:45

Jersey City .

24:47

They are one of the most intense Jiu

24:49

Jitsu gyms in the world and I think if

24:51

I picked those two Brazilians up and put them

24:53

in Ohio State , they would do , if

24:56

not , better than the guys in there .

24:57

Yeah , it has , you know . Yeah

25:00

, I can be saying wrestling places in the world

25:02

. Yeah are Jiu Jitsu , but there are some yeah , and

25:05

when I say intensive intensity

25:07

, I'm not talking about necessarily the difficulty

25:09

of the practice or

25:12

the match . I'm talking more

25:14

in terms of , like , the intensity and the

25:16

focus of , hey , I'm

25:19

waking up , I'm eating this because

25:21

it's it's given to . You have full access

25:23

to it . Right , you have full access to

25:25

eat specific things that you're told

25:27

to eat . You don't have to make the decision or choose

25:30

yourself . Right , I'm going to practice

25:32

that I'm going to fuel and then I'm going to go do

25:34

this and then I'm going it's so more regimented

25:37

and obviously at a big-time Collegiate

25:39

school , then it would be like what you're doing

25:42

now , right ? So the intensity

25:44

is different , not just for practice

25:46

, but even just in your

25:49

life . Your life is totally different , right ? Your

25:51

? Your life right now is different in in

25:53

terms of you traveling Constantly

25:55

. Right , you're getting ready to leave tomorrow from Columbus

25:57

and go back to California . I almost

25:59

said Florida , but go back to go back

26:01

to California , right ? So there's

26:04

that travel aspect of it . So your management

26:06

, your management style right

26:08

now is different than it was

26:10

when you were Competing at a high level

26:12

, at a high estate , because you had one

26:15

style and it was the same every single day

26:17

. Now , Because you're in the real world like

26:19

all the rest of us , right , and

26:21

traveling and doing things like , your management

26:23

style changes in in each aspect

26:26

of you know of the week , of the day

26:28

. Because you're traveling , you're doing . You're

26:30

doing different things . You're eating different

26:32

now at your aunt's house that you have

26:34

access to food than you are when you're at

26:37

home , right . So those types of things

26:39

are important for someone that

26:41

has an Evolving and an

26:43

ever-changing schedule . It's

26:45

important to think about that stuff

26:47

, because your management style is not going to be the Same

26:49

. It's going to be different every day .

26:52

No , totally , and as long as you manage it . I

26:54

think that you know managing something

26:56

in particular needs to be all

26:58

focused on , and wrestling

27:01

in college , you

27:03

know , had its intensities , level and like , aside

27:07

from the hard practice , just learning

27:09

the way of life . At that time I

27:11

wish I paid attention more because the

27:14

decision you know making has

27:17

, you know , been fun to make on your own

27:19

and you learn Very quickly

27:21

in the real world . Like you said , you know

27:23

what you should and shouldn't

27:25

do in all aspects so . I

27:28

think managing all aspects of your life is

27:30

great .

27:31

Yeah , 100% in terms of

27:33

like , can you talk to a little bit about the

27:36

complexities of college

27:38

? What are

27:40

the complexities in terms

27:42

of you competing

27:45

right now in your life ?

27:46

Yeah , there's been some huge shifts . I think jiu-jitsu

27:49

is is is standoff away

27:52

from like Wow

27:54

, 20 pounds in in one week or wow

27:56

10 15 pounds in one week is crazy

27:58

to jujitsu practitioners . You

28:01

know , just because of that that hard work aspect of

28:04

wrestling and learning to get that weight off

28:06

. But the cool thing about you know going

28:08

through college and learning even

28:10

you know a better way of doing it

28:12

and then bringing it to jujitsu with me . It's

28:15

cool because wrestling you know you can weigh in the day

28:17

before , sometimes the night , and jujitsu it's

28:20

five minutes before you go six minutes before

28:22

you go . So if not only your weight

28:24

is off and your numbers are off

28:26

, you're screwed . You know , my latest

28:28

competition I was . I was mounting

28:30

to my brother , gatorade Gatorade

28:33

, and I'm 20 feet away from him , he's he's

28:35

on a bear cave with his phone out to

28:37

record and he did

28:39

not hear me and I texted him . I had no service and

28:41

Everything I had

28:43

consumed was was good and I

28:46

just hit a spike and or

28:48

low , I'm sorry , and it was like Crud

28:51

and I saw it worker and they

28:53

helped me out and I went straight into a match

28:55

. So I think the biggest shift was just like weighing

28:58

in and then going like Because

29:00

they can really fuel if you're if you're sucking

29:02

down a lot of weight for someone to lose

29:04

10 or 15 , even 20 pounds Even . You

29:07

know , if you want to get crazy , have

29:09

to weigh in and then have to compete after

29:12

. They're not gonna be their best self

29:14

, they're not going to be Performing

29:17

the level they should be . However

29:20

, it may suffice then some of their

29:22

Other differences like they

29:24

may be strong , they may be really really

29:27

, really tough in like technique and

29:29

they might outweigh . You know their sluggish

29:31

feeling because they know a lot of techniques

29:33

and wrestling . You can't do that . You

29:36

know if someone knows technique

29:38

and is cut in 20 pounds , if I get

29:40

him to the third period , he's pressed

29:42

and I know it . He's not showing it . Maybe he's

29:45

doing a better job at it , but he's pressed

29:47

for time and even like

29:49

just you know compulsion

29:51

in general . So jujitsu

29:54

, I think matches

29:56

go further and and Wrestling

29:59

, in my opinion , just because you know you go out of bounds

30:01

and it takes a little bit longer

30:03

and . You know you

30:05

got over times and jujitsu

30:09

is like You're up

30:11

. You know some , some go

30:13

to overtime some . Organizations

30:15

handle things , but it's sometimes

30:17

, you know , six , eight , ten minutes

30:19

long and , like wrestling , is like two , two

30:21

, two or two , three minutes . One

30:24

, three minutes , you two , two , you know , yeah , yeah if

30:27

you're training to have

30:29

a 20 minute match , it's a lot different than exploding

30:31

at , you know , the two-minute mark or

30:33

the one-minute mark when you're you're on the line for wrestling

30:36

. So it just being you know , you

30:39

know , complex with all of it , like I

30:41

think all of it is complex , like yeah , it's

30:44

two different sports .

30:44

Yeah , yeah it . That's interesting because it

30:46

is . It's two different sports but

30:48

the complexities become . The

30:51

complexities come into it when you

30:53

think about the differences between the

30:55

sports and the

30:57

fact that you could lose 10 pounds

31:00

and wrestling in a week and

31:02

to get down to the next . To get that . You know

31:04

to hit weight , but you

31:06

don't really want to do that . Jujitsu , you want to be a nice

31:08

, steady weight loss over , I don't

31:11

know , a couple months , like you know

31:13

like . Because

31:15

Now you can continue

31:17

to compete at that same weight , right when

31:20

in wrestling you might cut weight

31:22

that week and you

31:24

probably hopefully have energy to get through

31:26

that match right barely . But

31:29

you're not gonna be able to sustain that

31:31

and jujitsu doing that , so it's

31:33

like you . The complexities of how

31:35

you go about strategically Managing

31:38

not just the sport but even your

31:40

blood sugars is totally different .

31:42

Yeah , and knowing you

31:44

know your weight going into something is

31:46

great too , because then you feel great , you know whether

31:48

it's going into . You know Family pictures , or

31:51

you know you're seeing a reunion , or

31:53

just like you know being around your kids , like

31:55

, do you want energy around your kids

31:57

or do you want to be ? You know your energy

31:59

sucked out when you're around your kids . I'm a huge

32:01

family guy . You know I have a big family . For

32:03

those that you do know , if not , I'm one of nine

32:06

. I have eight siblings from the

32:08

same parents and like , energy

32:10

is huge . As far as sugar , and

32:13

like some of my family members struggle with

32:15

lows , like they're hypoglycemic

32:17

, and like seeing

32:19

the education

32:21

being brought to me and Shown

32:23

in front of them has been fun

32:25

for them and it's been fun for me . So

32:27

, just like energy all around has

32:30

just been a total like enjoyment

32:32

for me lately , man , because , like I

32:35

used to Suck

32:37

a lot of weight down , as far as like losing it

32:39

and this

32:42

is painful , man , I'm now , I'm super comfortable

32:44

around this weight If

32:46

I , if I do cheat , it's

32:48

, it's well aware away from a tournament

32:50

and I'm just ready to go . Man , I'm

32:52

excited for what's coming and

32:55

I can't wait to get

32:57

some gyms open and start teaching some

32:59

kids ?

33:00

Mmm , yeah , what's

33:02

? When's your next match ?

33:03

Yeah , I actually have a big one coming up , so

33:06

I'm doing no-gey worlds , which is funny that

33:08

we're on the subject , you know , of

33:10

wrestling , because it's the closest to

33:12

wrestling you know and you know . So you

33:14

have the top and bottom where you don't have it on

33:17

and , knowing that

33:19

, what you've gained from wrestling

33:21

and transitioning to Jiu-Jitsu as

33:23

far as no-gey is fun , you

33:25

know , but you're doing a lot

33:27

of wrestling and I like to anymore . But

33:31

I'm excited because you get to push new limits

33:33

and I have worlds coming up . December

33:35

7th in Vegas man . Nice gonna

33:37

be sick , but right now

33:39

I'm just teaching and Training

33:42

and getting ready for that . So I I

33:44

stuck around a little bit longer in

33:46

Columbus than I thought but , I had

33:48

some fun with some friends and watch

33:50

the buck guys secure a dub or a

33:52

fat LI . Called

33:55

it and yeah , man , so I overstayed

33:58

my . My welcome in Ohio . I'm ready

34:00

to go back and fight after that tournament , for

34:02

sure .

34:03

Yeah , that's awesome in as

34:06

we wrap up , like what , if there

34:08

are what are like three things

34:10

that you can kind of tell , say

34:12

to the listeners ? So , as we wrap

34:14

up , what is what are like three things

34:16

that you can say to the listeners that

34:20

could help them if they're a young athlete

34:23

or someone that wants to get into Jiu-Jitsu

34:25

or struggling with their

34:27

blood sugars either maybe they're an endurance

34:30

athlete or any type of athlete , whatever it

34:32

might be . What it's , one or three things

34:34

you can tell that individual to , it could provide

34:36

some value for them .

34:38

If I could bring any value to a

34:41

new athlete that

34:43

is trying to endeavor Jiu-Jitsu

34:45

Practitioning . I advise

34:48

you , start now and don't

34:50

wait . I think people

34:52

stand off Because of their

34:54

age or even if you know they're

34:56

too young , I advise children , if they

34:58

know they're left and rights , come into my

35:00

class , try it out . If you don't like

35:02

it , we'll revisit that conversation . I'm not

35:04

here to sell you on anything , but if I could

35:06

help you on something else , it would be watch what you consume

35:08

. It's

35:12

very , very fun to eat good foods

35:14

, but it's very , very fun to feel good when you eat good foods . So

35:17

instead of just Slacking

35:21

off and saying , oh , I might do it this time or might

35:24

do it that , just start it . Just start it . And Lastly

35:26

, I would advise you guys . I

35:29

would advise you guys to stop

35:31

consuming so much of the media unless

35:33

it's good , good

35:36

information . I

35:38

hate , I hate to see some you know young

35:41

people even my , my nieces and nephews

35:43

just flooded with negative

35:45

Crud on on

35:47

the internet . So if you're on the internet , I

35:49

advise you to study Jiu-Jitsu . Learn

35:52

the basics first , don't , don't don't

35:54

dive in to the crazy stuff

35:56

and listen to some of these

35:58

crazy people . But

36:01

yeah , man , just feel

36:04

good so you can look good . Cheers

36:07

.

36:08

So there you have it feel good

36:10

so you can look good . Spoken like a true

36:13

true , a true male .

36:16

It is what you know , they

36:19

say look good , feel good in wrestling . So if you

36:21

look good , you feel good , and if you

36:23

feel good , you look good .

36:24

So I love it .

36:25

I love that . Yeah , man , thanks for having me .

36:27

Yeah , man , this has been a pleasure to get you back on

36:29

just to catch up and and

36:32

talk about some other stuff that's been going on . It's been

36:34

, god , it's probably been a year at

36:36

least . 129 , man

36:38

, 129 was the last episode

36:40

that you were on . So yeah , these

36:42

episodes are gonna keep on coming , so Excited

36:45

.

36:45

I'm in your ear .

36:46

Yeah , next time you're in town , give

36:48

me a shout out and we'll get on another

36:50

episode and just catch up and

36:53

keep , keep talking

36:55

about diabetes . It's all we can do , man .

36:57

So I'm looking forward to you know what you

36:59

got in the projects of , as far as you

37:01

know , your books and coaching

37:03

courses . And man , just wish

37:05

the best for you and thanks for having me . Man , yeah , man for

37:08

sure , man for sure , absolutely .

37:10

It's been a pleasure . Cheers everyone

37:12

. Thank you so much for listening . If

37:15

you are an inspiring

37:17

Jiu Jitsu competitor

37:20

, wrestler , endurance

37:22

person , reach

37:24

out to him . I'll put his social

37:27

media handle in the

37:29

show notes . Reach out to him , ask

37:31

him some questions . Man , it's , he's . He's

37:33

got a wealth of knowledge of being

37:36

a coach . He's got a wealth of knowledge

37:38

of Competing

37:41

at just the highest level in wrestling

37:43

. So Just

37:45

really reach out to him if you have questions . And

37:47

Thank you so much

37:49

for listening everybody . We will see you next

37:52

time .