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to episode one hundred

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and thirty nine of the healthy rebellion

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radio. What's

0:57

the deal with the kids like the throwing

0:59

nines or adding nines or

1:02

Casting nines. Casting nines. Yeah. But that

1:04

has nothing to do with this. Well,

1:06

no. Wait. It does. The nine reminded you.

1:08

With with well, with the dark horse podcast, they

1:10

always ask, is it a prime number?

1:13

Right. know? But you can't

1:15

determine if something is prime if it's

1:17

if you're casting nines. If

1:19

it adds up to So casting nines

1:22

allows you is a

1:24

way to verify if your

1:27

multiplication problem is correct.

1:29

So if somebody's and I'm just making numbers

1:31

up, so this is not gonna correct. But somebody said,

1:33

is two thousand three hundred and thirty three

1:35

times six hundred and twenty nine equal

1:38

to, you know,

1:40

a hundred one hundred and twenty

1:42

two thousand five hundred and

1:44

twenty three. So you

1:46

have a problem and an answer you need

1:48

to determine if that's accurate. So

1:51

all you do is you add each

1:53

digit of the factors

1:55

the multiplication problem. So that first number I

1:57

said you add all those digits together

2:00

and you keep adding them together until you get a single

2:02

digits. So if you add it and it turns into

2:04

like two twenty one, you would add two

2:06

plus two plus one for five.

2:08

So that would be five. And then the second

2:11

factor in that problem, you would also do the

2:13

same and get it down to a single digit.

2:15

then you would multiply those two together.

2:18

And then let's say it was like five

2:21

times four. So you got twenty. So you'd

2:23

the two plus the zero and come down to a two. So

2:25

you always like keep simplifying down to

2:27

a single digit, and then you do the same

2:29

thing for the answer. And if they're the same,

2:31

then the answer correct. And if it's different, then the answer

2:33

is incorrect. Okay. So -- Yeah. -- casting on the line is

2:35

very different than what you were doing.

2:37

I I just didn't I

2:39

thought it was it is kinda it's not

2:41

a fact during thing is just a

2:43

a kind of interesting way of figuring out if

2:45

your multiplication was correct. I think there's

2:47

another 139, and I I could be getting this wrong,

2:49

but that Zoe and I

2:51

were reading in Fred where if you add

2:54

all of the numbers, like, let's say

2:56

this 139 episode one thirty nine, if

2:58

that all added down

3:00

and down to three, then

3:03

you knew then then that number is also

3:05

divisible by three and therefore not prime.

3:08

Okay. That's what I was going

3:10

forward. That's what you're talking about. Sorry, guys.

3:12

Yeah. For the total thanks for devaluing

3:14

this round at the beginning of this episode.

3:20

Well, I guess I I

3:22

can't be too hard on you. This is like one

3:24

day post your fifty first birthday. Fucking

3:27

old, man. Happy happy birthday birthday. Thank you.

3:29

Yeah. Thank you. I know we

3:32

missed last week's episode. Forget

3:34

was going. We had lots of little stuff going

3:36

on. We had John Frankel, our jujitsu

3:39

coach from Korea is visiting.

3:41

He's still in town for one more day.

3:44

So it was nice he was able to come out and celebrate

3:46

you with us last night. Also with

3:48

the time with Travis

3:51

Their amount of cider was consumed. Yes.

3:53

Was a good time. And then we also

3:55

did something completely new. You did something

3:58

you haven't done in, like, I don't know if you've ever done it.

4:00

Like I was, like, twelve. Like, I can't even

4:02

really room I mean But where would you have done it at twelve?

4:04

Like, in Redding, California, there is no ice rink.

4:06

There there is no ice rink. So I

4:08

think that might have been your very first time ice skates.

4:10

I have been on ice gates only, like,

4:13

twice, two or three times in my life.

4:16

But the girls wanted to go

4:18

ice skating, so we took a ice skating. And

4:20

It was -- It was 139. -- it was

4:22

fun. Yeah. I'm looking forward to the

4:25

next shindig 139 we have a little lake in our

4:27

backyard and so and it freezes

4:30

generally in the winter. So So if we

4:32

get some proficiency HRR we feel like we're

4:34

not gonna fall down and break something,

4:36

then we can shovel off the snow

4:38

and escape in the back good. Yeah. It should be

4:40

fun. Okay.

4:43

I think that's all of the up

4:45

front. The hip hip and what? Up and

4:47

whatnot. What do you have for us for our

4:49

news topic? The ever

4:51

wonderful Jack Ruston of Ruston

4:54

Barnyard also one

4:56

of our moderators and just rock

4:58

stars within the healthy rebellion. Ping

5:00

me, this paper about

5:03

high dose thiamine and central

5:05

tremor. And it's a I

5:07

still haven't been able to track down the full paper

5:09

139 they're trying to shake me down forty bucks

5:11

for this. It's

5:15

really interesting because it

5:17

it suggests the intra high dose

5:19

intramuscular Thiamine

5:21

application was really beneficial.

5:24

It's only two people, but this is again,

5:26

this this

5:32

This is where science progresses.

5:34

Like, they're particularly medical science.

5:36

Like, you have some clinicians

5:38

somewhere doing something non formularic

5:41

and kind of off off,

5:43

you know, in in some

5:45

corner of of a

5:47

research And this person

5:49

probably had an idea about,

5:51

like, a mechanism of of action

5:53

and gave it a shot and they gave it

5:55

literally a shot. And and, you

5:58

know, ironing is well understood. The

6:00

the, you know, dose response curves are

6:02

well understood. The toxicity is well under

6:04

stood so comparatively safe,

6:07

but is this a randomized controlled trial?

6:09

No. Is it huge numbers? No.

6:11

Is it this? Is it that? Is it the other?

6:14

No. But this is where this

6:16

stuff starts. And very

6:18

important to me because, you know, still

6:21

dealing with essential tremor have

6:23

a better and worse stays around that.

6:25

And if it's something as simple as

6:28

once every two or three month, I am

6:30

injection of thiamine could knock this down

6:32

to you know, completely

6:35

asymptomatic levels,

6:37

that would be incredible. So I will update over

6:39

Yeah. It says here that the treatment with intramuscular

6:42

high dose IAMINE has led to a rapid,

6:44

remarkable, and persistent improvement

6:47

of the symptoms in two patients with the central

6:49

tremor. Yeah. That's really

6:51

just the possibility that high doses of intramuscular

6:54

thiamine may be an affordable alternative

6:56

highly effective and long lasting medical

6:58

treatment that has shown no relevant

7:00

side effects. Dave, I think you can spend forty

7:02

dollars and get this paper. Well, I'm trying to

7:05

shake it down HRR, you know, there

7:07

should be these

7:10

outlets are supported by

7:12

public funding for the most part.

7:14

So it's like, give me a break. So but

7:17

if push comes to shove, I I

7:19

will in fact buy this and I'll let

7:21

let folks know what's up with

7:23

it, and I'll make sure that it ends up on

7:25

Saipem most likely, so that

7:27

other people can access it for free.

7:31

God, I had one other thought

7:33

about this. Oh, you know,

7:35

one of the other treatments that I have

7:37

been tinkering

7:40

with is this focused HRR,

7:44

transcranial NMR stuff, and it looks really

7:46

interesting 139 apparently it's it's

7:49

fairly efficacious.

7:51

It's really expensive. It

7:53

really, really 139- not. -- easy It's

7:55

not everywhere. Right? Like, we don't have

7:57

one in Montana. Like, you would have to go The

7:59

closest my closest

8:01

deal is probably either Texas.

8:04

Texas. Texas HRR possibly Colorado.

8:07

So, yeah, versus, you know,

8:10

depending on your state, like, some states

8:12

and natural paths can apply IM injections,

8:15

other places you have to go to a

8:17

MD or nurse practitioner or PA

8:19

or something like that. TBI, you know, really

8:22

interesting and not surprisingly

8:24

because everything seems to be on the rise.

8:26

Essential tremor is is on the rise

8:28

in folks. So Yeah. Yeah. So I

8:30

will keep people updated

8:32

on that. Awesome. Very

8:34

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Okay. We've got three questions for you today. This

10:05

first one is from Frederick on

10:07

heavy metals and canned fish. HRR

10:09

says hi there. Long time listener and fan of

10:11

your work in general. I have a question that I hope

10:13

you can answer, but before that,

10:16

there is a topic that needs a dressing. I

10:18

really hate to bring this up, but since this has

10:20

been a been the topic for

10:22

two of your warm up talks in a row, I

10:24

feel called to set the

10:26

record straight. It is

10:28

about the all two important battle of the

10:30

cold snaps. I think you need to check your

10:32

conversions from Fahrenheit to Celsius because

10:34

minus thirty Fahrenheit is not minus

10:36

fifty Celsius. It's minus thirty four.

10:39

Minus forty degrees is where the two

10:41

systems converge. I am from

10:43

Northernmost Scandinavia. Above the Circle and

10:45

we regularly have minus forty in winter and

10:47

sometimes minus fifty degrees Celsius,

10:49

which is minus fifty eight degrees

10:51

Fahrenheit. You have ever

10:53

experienced minus fifty degrees Celsius, it would

10:55

forever be ingrained in memory. So believe

10:57

me. Let's So

10:59

he said, oh, believe me. So let's get to

11:01

my question now that the record is set straight.

11:03

You know, it's funny. I

11:06

am much grand our our good friend

11:08

John Frankl who lives in

11:10

Korea because he

11:12

lives in a civilized part of the world.

11:14

They are on the

11:16

metric. System unlike the

11:18

United States. And it is always

11:20

a bit of a HRR fake

11:23

because below that that

11:25

minus forty point

11:27

then the

11:29

Fahrenheit cold is colder than the

11:31

Celsius cold. But because

11:33

it's think it's like nine

11:35

nine fifths plus

11:37

thirty two. You know, celsius

11:40

equals fahrenheit or something to

11:42

that effect. The

11:44

CELSIUS basically has a

11:46

larger spread between each

11:48

numerical increment than it does

11:50

in Fahrenheit. So it does add

11:52

up Yes. I am

11:54

Shagren. Thank you, Frederic, for setting that I

11:56

had deleted that out of this. Like, at a time

11:58

or two, and you kept adding it back in, I think.

12:01

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't

12:03

I didn't add it back in. I think you maybe meant to

12:05

delete TBI, but I think it's I think it was

12:07

fun to review, so I'm glad it's

12:09

in there. Okay. It's today?

12:11

On to his question. Today at jujitsu?

12:14

Neon Belly. Yes, it is.

12:16

You will not be my

12:19

partner. Okay.

12:22

He says, I've been doing this is his question. I've been

12:24

doing keto for many years, which is great.

12:26

All the reasons we know all too well, but it

12:28

can sometimes be hard to find easy to grab

12:31

healthy snacks and meals. I've eaten

12:33

a lot of canned fish throughout the years. I

12:35

enjoy it it is quick and easy.

12:37

But what about the heavy metal content? We

12:39

HRR constantly told that we shouldn't consume too much

12:41

of it. But I've struggled with this since I

12:43

find it hard to believe that all oceans at

12:45

all depths could be so saturated

12:47

with heavy metals that it renders all

12:49

canned fish poisonous. The ones

12:51

who advise against consuming too much canned

12:53

fish also advise

12:55

against red meat consumption would

12:57

rather see that we all went vegan.

12:59

What is the real story on this? Are there

13:01

real concerns? Or are they just making

13:03

assumptions without evidence to back their claims

13:05

as they do with Red Meat? I've

13:07

been sort of thinking that if there are

13:09

some heavy metals in canned fish, it has to

13:11

vary and might not be a problem in the

13:13

overall context of a healthy diet

13:15

lifestyle. Am I completely wrong and

13:17

slowly poisoning myself with my daily

13:19

canned sardines and tuna?

13:21

Good super good question.

13:23

And the

13:26

one of the

13:29

pieces to this is just the

13:31

the relative size of the fish

13:33

and where they are in the the

13:35

food chain, so things like macaroni

13:39

and sardines. And I really wish I could eat

13:41

macaroni like they're so good for

13:43

you, but I can eat a lot

13:45

of weird stuff, but macro is just

13:47

like, it's a tough sell, but

13:49

it can do sardines, but they're

13:51

they're lower down the

13:53

relative food chain so they tend to bioaccumulate

13:56

less. Salmon

13:58

is kind of you

14:00

know, more up the food chain, but less so

14:02

than like tuna. Tuna is

14:04

higher up the food chain. It tends to,

14:07

on average, bioaccumulate more

14:09

things like mercury. And the mercury comes from

14:12

both kind of, quote,

14:14

natural sources 139 also

14:16

interestingly the coal

14:18

is a nontrivial input as

14:21

some of the byproducts of coal

14:24

production or

14:26

burning oftentimes offloaded in the ocean

14:28

that gets converted via

14:30

bacteria into this biologically

14:33

active form norkurey and can bioaccumulate and

14:35

all that type of stuff. But

14:37

interestingly also, I'll I'll

14:39

fish track down the link for this

14:41

because Chris Kressler did pretty good

14:43

dive on this. Something that's not

14:45

well appreciated is that

14:47

fish is also typically a pretty

14:49

good source of selenium. selenium

14:51

has this interesting effect

14:54

of blocking to

14:56

large degree the absorption or

14:58

bioaccumulation of these heavy 139

15:01

is a little bit like the piece that in theory

15:03

I'm gonna do at some point talking about chocolate

15:05

139 you know, there was a every couple

15:07

of years, there's a news piece, like,

15:09

oh my god, chocolate has cadmium and

15:12

lead, and it's gonna kill you and

15:14

people super freak out. And it's a

15:16

little bit unnerving to find

15:18

out that a food that we're eating might have

15:20

some non trivial amount

15:22

of of heavy metals because these things are not

15:24

great for TBI, but the thing is, it's

15:26

not just what is in

15:28

the food, it's how much you absorb. In

15:30

the flip side of this, we have talked about

15:33

a lot you know, like

15:35

soaking and sprouting grains

15:37

if you're gonna eat grains because

15:39

they the fatty acid tends to

15:41

bind to zinc and iron and

15:43

magnesium and it can there was a

15:45

really fascinating study that

15:47

looked at folks can assuming

15:50

shellfish in the amount of zinc that they

15:52

would get from the shellfish, but then they ate the

15:54

shellfish either with corn

15:57

tortillas HRR with some other

15:59

equal amount carbohydrate, but that

16:01

didn't have fytates

16:03

in it. And basically the corn tortilla

16:05

is the un soaked sprouted

16:07

corn tortilla is one hundred percent blocked

16:09

the absorption of of zinc.

16:11

Mhmm. So this can cut both

16:13

ways. This could be beneficial in

16:15

certain circumstances of

16:17

mitigating the accumulation of

16:20

heavy metals and different toxicants like

16:22

that in in some circumstances

16:24

like selenium can can

16:26

play a role in other circumstances like

16:28

with cacao, the

16:31

the phytates in in different

16:33

polyphenols act in

16:35

a way that that make the absorption of heavy metals

16:37

more problematic, more difficult, which is

16:40

good. And then in some cases, this

16:42

can lead to over

16:44

nutrient deficiencies, like if you're reading tons

16:46

and tons of of

16:49

standard modern, like corn tortillas. That that

16:51

that could probably get you into a zinc

16:53

deficiency status because that

16:55

corn tortillas are delicious when you eat

16:57

them with with the right stuff TBI they're cheap

17:00

and easy and all that 139, you

17:02

know, so they can be a problem. One other

17:04

thought on this. And again, you

17:06

know, if you're focusing more on

17:08

sardines and whatnot, then I think that this

17:10

is kind of a non issue

17:12

across the board We

17:14

do have some limited capacity

17:16

to offload different types

17:18

of heavy metals. We

17:23

it's limited. We can lose some

17:25

via sweat. We can lose some via some

17:27

other excretory pathways

17:30

and whatnot. So mean, in the grand scheme of

17:32

things, I think this just makes the

17:34

case for eating lower down the food

17:36

chain from, you know,

17:38

ocean going items. I think

17:40

if you're doing a

17:42

couple of cans of salmon a week

17:44

or or tuna even, I I

17:46

really don't see that being a huge

17:48

issue, but It depends also. Is there 139

17:50

there any, like, easy

17:52

test for this? Like

17:55

There are tests

17:58

in I I'm not I'm getting out over the tips

18:00

of my studies. I would wanna research this a

18:02

little bit. I do think that the hair mineral

18:04

testing is is good

18:06

for this. That might be a way a thing that, like, if

18:08

he's really concerned about if if he's

18:10

wanting to have tuna daily, for example --

18:13

Yep. -- maybe if there is a test

18:15

that would be somewhat

18:17

reliable, you could see what where

18:19

what is my status right now? And

18:21

then we can moderate consumption from

18:24

there. Chris master John question because he is the owner

18:26

of of all things. But I I

18:28

do. One of the problems with that is that

18:30

heavy metals don't just kind of

18:32

cruise around in the plasma. They

18:34

associate with proteins, although we do have protein

18:36

in our plasma, but they tend

18:38

to associate with other structural

18:41

proteins. I do think that

18:43

the hairmin rule testing

18:45

is a pretty legit way

18:47

to assess TBI. But again, I'm

18:49

going completely from memory and maybe wrong on that.

18:51

So if listeners know better, please let

18:53

me know. Let's figure out how to do this.

18:55

To the Celsius versus

18:58

fair height and we can we can kinda go from there. But this

19:00

is a actually, it wouldn't be a 139 bad

19:02

thing. Maybe we get Chris

19:04

Masterjohn on at some point. I

19:06

wanna start doing a few interviews here and

19:08

there, but our Internet is

19:10

so appallingly bad. The

19:12

q and a works well because

19:14

Nicki and I can spin this thing up, and then we can

19:16

let it upload over the course of, like,

19:18

three hours. And we're we're

19:20

cool. Whereas, like, doing an interview,

19:23

it it been really

19:25

problematic. Mhmm. But I I could also try to

19:27

do a a little bit of a dive

19:29

on on just so,

19:31

like, I grew up in some apartments

19:33

that we know for a fact had let it let

19:36

paint. So did, you know,

19:38

that did I

19:40

get some sort of exposure

19:43

as a kid you know, it it it

19:45

incredibly possible. And -- Mhmm.

19:47

-- this was still during lead of gasoline,

19:49

and I remember my cousins

19:51

and I spinning

19:53

gasoline into fires and stuff like

19:55

that because Jeez. Are you serious?

19:57

Yeah. Yeah. This is why biology

19:59

makes more boys than girls because

20:01

were idiots. But -- Yeah. --

20:04

wow. You'd learn something

20:06

new about your husband every

20:08

day. Okay. Alright. Our

20:10

next question We won't make it to sixty

20:12

139. Our next question is from Sarah

20:15

on activated charcoal. Hey,

20:17

guys. I love your work and have been a longtime fan.

20:19

I came across someone the other day saying we

20:21

should be taking activated charcoal due to

20:23

all the toxins we encounter in

20:26

today's world. I don't know who this guy is and I'm not sure if he has any

20:28

credibility. It just got me to

20:30

wondering. I've never heard of this before and just

20:32

wondering what your we're on

20:34

the subject. Yeah. Activated charcoal is really

20:37

powerful in dealing with

20:40

orally ingested toxicants.

20:43

It's used in some

20:45

drug overdose scenarios because

20:47

the activated charcoal binds

20:50

to a host of different

20:53

substances, but it it's not just

20:55

this like, if you're

20:57

getting airborne toxins.

21:00

If you're getting transdermal

21:02

toxins, if you're getting toxins

21:04

from water, even the

21:06

activated charcoal may or may not

21:08

be as as efficacious. So it's really,

21:11

really powerful on a remarkable tool, but

21:13

it has super specific

21:15

use case. It's not just this,

21:18

you know, one size fits all like it. It's gonna Not

21:20

just TBI conclude. Eat your tuna and

21:22

take your activated charcoal and Correct.

21:25

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay. Cool.

21:27

Cool. Alright. This last one is a

21:29

big one. This one's from Jamie

21:31

on homelessness, TBI, and

21:34

addiction. Jamie says, Dear,

21:37

Robbo, and Nick's. I love putting fifty

21:39

pence in the Rob Wolf question and listening to

21:41

what comes out. And there are a lot of questions

21:43

I would like to ask, including one

21:45

on the great reset. I'll

21:47

forego that today, although I will say we have

21:49

entered into what will turn out to be

21:51

a historical epic defining shit

21:53

show that will go down in history as a transitional

21:55

event that will forever change the world just

21:57

like the industrial revolution did. Whichever

21:59

direction good or bad it takes. Instead,

22:01

I will focus my question on

22:03

traumatic brain injury, TBI. Not

22:05

my own, but a friend of mine who

22:08

will will call Danny. I first met Danny in

22:10

two thousand seven through a mutual friend after finishing

22:12

my first bullshit humanity's degree.

22:14

It was one of those

22:16

Indian summers we sometimes get in the UK

22:18

where September turns out to be rather

22:21

warm. I was sitting with a mutual friend

22:23

called Paul out of out front of bar to the

22:25

river Trenton Nottingham when

22:27

Danny turned up with another friend of his I

22:29

would also go on to be friend.

22:31

First impressions of him were that he was a bit nuts,

22:33

which turned out to be the correct inference I

22:36

could make from this gregarious character who

22:38

is the funniest person I've ever

22:40

met. Something that I have been doing in my own recovery from

22:42

TBI has been reflecting a lot about my

22:44

life TBI once the fog of TBI

22:46

began to clear certain things

22:48

do look different. Based on my own

22:51

anecdotal epidemiology, I think there is an

22:53

epidemic of mental ill health out there

22:55

related to TBI. As I

22:57

know of seven people who have had their

22:59

lives devastated by it. This

23:01

includes Danny, who before I met him, got

23:03

assaulted. And while while he was on the

23:05

floor, had his head kicked in like a

23:07

football. He lost most of his teeth and

23:09

reboot got a TBI with it. I haven't seen

23:11

Danny for over two years now,

23:13

as he is now homeless, addicted to heroin,

23:15

and is now estranged from his family

23:17

and friends for reasons I won't go

23:19

into. Will make the point here

23:21

that as someone who believes in the complete

23:23

legalization and regulation of substances as

23:25

the war on drugs has been a complete and

23:28

unmitigated catastrophe, you have to understand why

23:30

it is that people go on to develop

23:32

addiction. It's no use treating the addiction in

23:34

isolation. You have to do some reverse engineering

23:36

to find out what the addiction is

23:38

in response to. HRR Dani, it was self

23:40

medication for some mental health problems as

23:42

a result of TBI. I have

23:44

some money invested in Crypto, which

23:46

is the future of money. However, I need to wait until

23:49

the next bull run until my trading built up enough

23:51

money to pay for him to see someone similar who can

23:53

put Danny through doctor Gordon's

23:55

TBI protocol. I'll

23:57

phrase my question as more of

23:59

a thought experiment to both of you.

24:01

What would you do? If you had a friend

24:03

who was homeless, and addicted to

24:06

heroin because of TBI, and you wanted him

24:08

to get better. I mean this in

24:10

terms of a multipronged approach,

24:12

so what supplements would you use? Exercise

24:14

139 training programs, diet and food, would it be

24:16

low carb keto, rebuilding social

24:19

connections with psilocybin and

24:22

LSD, I have to so how would you use

24:24

that? Anything else you can think

24:26

of? Thank you. Love

24:28

Jamie. Do

24:30

you wanna jump in there? Do you wanna

24:32

cover some of 139 he

24:34

also has a PS talking

24:37

about his own TBI

24:40

situation or and

24:42

and actually another actually,

24:44

I'll read this one because this is Yes. It's actually

24:47

actually, this this okay.

24:49

PS. This is unrelated to the question above, but

24:51

does involve TBI. Back on

24:53

episode one hundred and twelve, you had a question from

24:55

Charles who said he was suffering from strength in

24:57

his erection. What was screaming out to me in brightly

24:59

colored neon lights was TBI.

25:01

He mentioned in his write up to his question that he

25:03

was involved in a car accident and was knocked off

25:05

his bicycle. This based on his

25:07

description indicates these were events that

25:09

caused some sort of brain trauma and the

25:11

resultant HPA access dysfunction.

25:13

With the consequent hormonal problems

25:16

in sexual will dysfunction he was slash is

25:18

experiencing. I would highly

25:20

recommend he checks out doctor Mark Gordon's appearances

25:22

on some of the podcast he has done, including with

25:24

Joe Hogan, 139 he should

25:26

be able to implement some changes from what Dr. Gordon says

25:28

that should help him. I did and it

25:30

changed my life as

25:32

well being super knowledgeable and TBI TBI. Gordon

25:34

comes across as a really nice person, one

25:36

of the good guys.

25:39

And there's more light

25:41

of 139, Jamie, this is one

25:44

of the more beautifully

25:47

written questions that we've had.

25:49

Not an expert

25:52

on TBI. I've I've been in and

25:54

around this scene though because of the work that

25:56

that I've done with naval

25:59

special warfare some of the

26:01

work that that we've done with MMA fighters

26:04

and and stuff like that.

26:07

Jamie lays out

26:10

a really smart protocol here

26:12

in that we're looking at a

26:14

multipronged approach. What

26:17

supplements would we put

26:19

into a scenario like

26:21

this? The evidence based

26:24

go to is definitely adequate vitamin levels.

26:26

That seems to play an important

26:28

factor. It's not the whole story, but it's

26:30

some of the story And this is

26:32

something that we've talked with doc Parsley about, and

26:34

this is something that he's pieced together in

26:36

dealing with what what he called the

26:38

the seal syndrome or the seal flu.

26:42

A lot of what those

26:44

guys experience as

26:46

far as long term problems is the

26:48

result of accumulated TBI,

26:52

like firing a fairly high powered

26:54

rifle, like a fifty cal or

26:56

even smaller rifles. Each

26:58

time you fire it, there's a shockwave

27:00

that causes some amount of the TBI.

27:04

Being on a roller coaster, standard

27:06

roller coaster. The one

27:08

g acceleration deceleration of

27:10

changing directions causes

27:12

a mild TBI. So

27:14

you you think about parachute

27:17

deployments for

27:19

for the seals writing a zodiac

27:21

a a rubber boat TBI super high speed across

27:23

choppy water and just vibrating.

27:26

Sometimes folks end up with

27:28

kidney damage. It rattles themselves. Wow.

27:30

So hard. And so you think about your your

27:32

brain case. This is just all

27:34

really evolutionarily novel

27:36

stuff. Like, we we just

27:39

not fucking designed for for these types of things.

27:41

We are resilient. We can bounce back.

27:44

But I I think you take all of that and

27:46

then you take a modern world

27:48

of altered circadian biology, which I I

27:50

think is a biggie, altered gut

27:53

health. In general,

27:55

most people just don't eat as well as

27:58

what we we did in the past. So you've

28:00

got a pro like, this is a baseline,

28:02

this pro inflammatory state

28:04

that is worse. We're

28:06

lacking in connections in in

28:08

large part compared to what we we

28:11

have in the past, whether it's church or

28:13

or social groups and just this kind

28:15

of weird junk food

28:18

analogy of of

28:20

socialization, you know, via social

28:23

media that doesn't help things. So

28:25

I again, sorry,

28:27

I'm rattling on HRR, but

28:29

supplements, I think vitamin TBI

28:31

fish oil, there's some great evidence

28:33

based material to support that.

28:36

Exercise zone two cardio

28:38

has some some good efficacy there.

28:41

High intensity interval

28:44

training also is really interesting

28:46

because of the the disproportionate production

28:49

in BDNF brain

28:51

derived neurotrophic factor.

28:53

The interesting thing though is that people with

28:55

TBIs there who they oftentimes do

28:58

have this HPTA access

29:00

dysregulated patients. So they're kind

29:02

of in this a generalized state, and I think

29:04

you have to really ease them into

29:06

the high intensity activity. And

29:08

high intensity can be really subjective

29:10

to the individual and I think building an aerobic

29:13

base first and building mitochondrial

29:15

function and whatnot and then

29:17

really judiciously dosing

29:19

in that that high intensity activity.

29:21

Like, maybe it's four cycles

29:24

of twenty second, you know,

29:26

eighty percent effort on an air dying ten second

29:29

recovery, like a half half

29:31

a Tabata protocol -- Mhmm. -- and see how

29:33

the person does. And and

29:36

slowly increase volume

29:38

and intensity with that

29:40

type of activity. I

29:42

think some on the diet. Before you

29:44

were there, I I this just popped into my

29:46

head. I didn't think of it previously.

29:49

Otherwise, I would have pulled it up. But

29:51

I remember there being a

29:53

question on TBI in the rebellion,

29:55

like, two years ago, and

29:57

I remember John Wellborn weighing

29:59

on it. Mhmm. And for those of you who aren't

30:01

familiar with John, he's a ten year NFL

30:04

veteran. And

30:07

he some things

30:09

that he he added in there

30:11

was, like, brushing your

30:14

hand with your teeth with your

30:16

opposite hands. So if your right hand dominant

30:18

brush it with your left. Like, do doing,

30:20

like, a lot of these difficult

30:22

things, like, with the opposite hand

30:24

and more like

30:26

brain challenge physical brain

30:29

challenges like hand eye stuff. 139

30:33

I'll I'll see if I can dig that up. And John

30:35

did a ketogenic diet

30:37

for quite some time. When John first

30:39

got out of the NFL, And

30:41

John's a super sharp accomplished guy,

30:44

but we later,

30:46

we didn't do it at the time. But later,

30:49

we we tease John lightly

30:51

because we're like, you know, you would tell the

30:53

same story, like, three times. HRR was in a You

30:55

were in a conversation. doesn't do that

30:57

now. And John had some brain imaging when

30:59

he first got out of the NFL 139

31:03

it showed some pathological consequences

31:06

that you would expect to be

31:08

pretty, pretty typical of of ten years

31:10

of of starting as an NFL

31:13

lineman. And then he's

31:15

worked and he's done all kinds

31:17

of like, you

31:20

know, magnet therapy,

31:24

vitamin therapy, like just

31:26

kitchen sink approach in

31:28

addition to doing, you know, like brushing his

31:30

teeth with his left hand and doing kind of

31:32

new novel When he's done subsequent

31:35

brain imaging, it it the

31:37

people reporting to him have said

31:39

it doesn't look like you played in the NFL. Basically

31:41

like that, loss of gray matter and some

31:43

of the other structural and morphological

31:46

changes. He he seems to reverse that

31:48

stuff. But John took this this really

31:51

integrated approach, and

31:53

I'm I'm going from

31:56

Jamie's pieces here, like rebuilding the

31:58

social connections. It

32:00

it's interesting. Fujitsu

32:03

has been this this pretty

32:06

valuable 139 I believe

32:09

even some some

32:12

independent research supporting the

32:14

benefits of jujitsu practice

32:16

for folks with PTSD,

32:20

TBI type things. And I think

32:22

it's because you're learning something new. It's

32:24

difficult. It's challenging. And

32:26

there's a strong social connection there.

32:28

The low dose psilocybin 139,

32:31

it's a burgeoning

32:33

field, but I think that all of that has

32:35

huge potential application Jamie

32:38

asked about Asana. I think that this is another

32:40

one of these multipronged things

32:43

where hot and cold exposure, both of those

32:45

we know have

32:47

some pretty significant benefits

32:50

on improving dopamine

32:52

levels, and this kind of circles back

32:54

to the potential for

32:58

addiction, which leads into all these

33:00

these other problems, being able to

33:02

improve your ability

33:04

to just enjoy and appreciate the

33:06

day in the moment, I think is one of

33:08

these really powerful tools. And

33:11

breath work, you

33:13

know, we're we're big fans of the Ziva

33:15

meditation, but know, Huberman

33:17

139 recently has made the case

33:19

that five minutes of doing the physiological side

33:23

like two nasal breaths in

33:25

fully filling your lungs, brief

33:27

hold, full exhale

33:29

through the mouth and kind of pushing the

33:31

air out. In in repeating

33:33

that. It seems to

33:35

reduce stress levels

33:38

cortisol, improves heart rate

33:40

variability score better than the twenty fifteen minutes

33:42

of of meditation. So I

33:44

think that's another 1II

33:46

do think just broadly, this needs to

33:48

be a a kitchen sink approach.

33:53

Jaime meant it didn't get into it really

33:55

deeply, but the homelessness

33:57

piece the Dark Horse podcast

34:00

had a bit on this,

34:02

and it's interesting when

34:04

when homelessness is generally

34:07

discussed. Usually, the solution that's put

34:09

forward is, well, these people need

34:11

homes. And it seems

34:13

kind of straightforward but they they got into some

34:15

of the research on this. And these folks end up

34:18

being homeless because of a bunch of different

34:20

factors, not specifically related

34:23

to a lack. Of housing. You

34:25

know? And it is they have mental health issues and

34:28

addiction and all these things that end up just

34:30

creating the inability

34:32

of TBI making

34:34

kind of a more normal life occur.

34:36

But I think that this is an interesting

34:39

angle on on

34:41

all of this again from the multifactorial piece,

34:43

which is if we're trying to address

34:46

this and clearly there

34:48

needs to be some help and some support there.

34:50

But the sole focus

34:52

is just to provide a roof

34:54

over one's head 139 that's the

34:56

end of the story. It doesn't

34:58

really seem to be addressing the

35:01

underlying root root causes and all the other, you know,

35:04

issues that are going on? So

35:06

Jamie, a really good question, and III

35:09

think your the way that you laid out the question

35:11

was probably better than the the,

35:13

you know, rambling that that

35:15

I did here. It's we

35:17

we were talking to my my or

35:20

other jujitsu coach Travis

35:22

Davison about this,

35:24

and it's it's interesting looking at

35:26

MMA, MMA athletes.

35:28

We've had a few

35:31

people in our straight blast

35:33

gym organization take their lives after apparently battling with some

35:36

really significant

35:39

mental health issues, it 139 depression.

35:42

And all these folks were hard chargers

35:44

and did a lot of boxing, a lot

35:46

of kickboxing, clearly had some

35:49

non trivial mileage on

35:52

their their their 139

35:54

get into a cycle of alcohol. Like

35:56

one thing that definitely doesn't help this

35:58

is alcohol. Like, it it definitely worsens

36:00

and accelerates all of this

36:03

stuff. But it's a man, it's

36:05

a it's a huge problem. It's a

36:07

difficult and expensive problem to to

36:09

deal with because there isn't a pill,

36:11

a potion. Like, you have to

36:14

do an integrated approach to this.

36:16

And it takes a lot of time and there's a

36:18

lot of ways of triggering people

36:20

into kind of, you know,

36:22

backsliding. So it's not an easy

36:24

thing to address.

36:26

And and a lot of times when

36:28

the person is in this

36:30

TBI state, they're just not

36:32

making great decisions themselves. So it's

36:34

hard to even get the the buy in

36:36

from the person, you know.

36:38

So do you have

36:40

any other thoughts on that? I don't.

36:43

I don't. No. Definitely

36:46

definitely a big problem. And

36:48

and, I mean, we've seen

36:51

the homelessness situation you know, pictures in in

36:54

coming out of San Francisco and Los Angeles, and

36:56

we have a little bit here in Dallas, although it's so

36:58

freaking cold

37:00

here. It's not

37:02

as big of an issue as it is in some of

37:04

the warmer climates.

37:06

But TBI an interesting you

37:09

know, suggestion that there you know, obviously mental health is at the

37:11

root of most of it, but how much of

37:13

it is is TBI? Right.

37:16

You know, interesting. That

37:19

was our final

37:24

question. Any other

37:26

parting thoughts? I don't think

37:28

so. I'm very grateful for another

37:31

lap around the Lap around the 139? Yes.

37:34

Yep. I'm grateful that you had another

37:36

lap around the sun too. Thank you. Thank

37:38

you. You're pretty hot though. You probably, you

37:40

know, bring in a

37:42

hot, strapping, young stud to if

37:44

I were to kick the bucket. Yeah. Not

37:46

not not not looking for. Not looking Not

37:48

in the market for that. Okay? No. I'm happy

37:50

with what I have. Cool. Alright.

37:54

Everyone, thank you so much for

37:56

tuning in for yet another episode of our show. I hope

37:58

you're watching radio and have

38:00

a fabulous weekend and we'll see

38:02

you next week. Take care everybody.