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John Middlecoff three and out podcast

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Boots on the Ground

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in Indianapolis. In my hotel

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room, took the Red Eye last

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night from California. U

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slammed a couple double shots and I'm

1:00

just I'm rolling. I walked

1:02

in my hotel and I see this

1:04

good looking guy walking out the door. I'm like, God, that's

1:06

Cliff Kingsbury. Looks pretty good in person.

1:09

Saw a bunch of scouting buddies and my guy

1:11

Do Staley and plan is

1:13

to have talk to Howie Roseman,

1:16

Matt Naggy, Andy

1:18

Reid. I got

1:20

some I got some other lines in the

1:22

water right now, hoping to get some bites. But

1:25

you know, I'll play the hits of guys I know h

1:27

that they always say. Yes, it's just a

1:29

really really crazy time for these guys

1:32

just in general. Souh.

1:36

Yeah, I'm excited to talk some different people.

1:38

I'm also just excited to This is

1:40

a good week for me just to be here and

1:43

get a feel for the draft and free

1:46

agency, just talking to my buddies in the league,

1:48

getting a feel for the guys, who's

1:50

good who's not. Besides, you know, I watched

1:53

as much college football as anyone, but I don't

1:56

watch it the same way I used to. And when

1:58

when you scout, when you dive deep, when you know

2:00

the character stuff, you know the injury

2:03

history, you know some things

2:05

that us just us common folks,

2:08

us people just as scouts scouts

2:11

we don't know. And that's where this

2:13

this week, but really really

2:16

kind of shots information gathering,

2:18

and there's gonna be a ton of stories. We'll dive

2:20

into that off the top. Then just

2:22

some other big draft stories of just actual

2:25

college players and the dominoes

2:27

that are gonna happen with the quarterbacks are

2:29

gonna be nuts, but really

2:32

quick before we dive into the show. Appreciate

2:34

everyone that went to the three and Out podcast

2:36

and left a review if you have, and I'd really

2:39

appreciate that it helps the growth

2:41

of the show. The actual three and Out

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podcast on iTunes, I

2:45

think that's where the majority of you listen. I don't know how you

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do it on an Android or whatever. Just leave a review

2:50

if you like at five start. If you don't, just

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be real. You know, this is a real We don't do bs

2:54

around here, no fluff. So if you like the show,

2:57

go leave a review. I really appreciate

2:59

that. I'm gonna Instagram and everything,

3:02

like you know, obviously the dms you can always slide

3:04

up in those, but I'm just gonna kind

3:06

of behind the scenes, you know, just

3:08

given access that you know a lot of people don't get.

3:11

So I'll try to keep instant stories

3:13

and pictures of what's going on the

3:15

next couple days. I'm here till Thursday afternoon,

3:18

so I'll try to give everyone an inside look.

3:20

But the combine,

3:23

you know, in the Bay Area, a

3:25

lot of the tech companies like Oracle Salesforce,

3:29

they have these huge conventions. They used

3:31

to have them in San Francisco, but the taxis

3:33

got so high and the prices got so high.

3:35

I think Salesforce moved to like Vegas,

3:38

but and they bring their entire company

3:40

there, and the entire industry

3:42

is kind of they're doing business. And I would

3:44

imagine you guys listening all over the country

3:47

and you know, some got international listeners.

3:49

You have business conventions where

3:51

you go there. It's really important to be there.

3:54

Everyone in your industry is there and a lot of business

3:56

is done. That is what the combine

3:59

is. Because when you just say the combine, you

4:01

think, oh, it's just the underwear Olympics. To

4:03

meet. The actual workouts on the field,

4:06

if we did a pie chart of the importance

4:08

of this week, are probably under

4:10

ten percent. To be honest with you, I'm not saying

4:12

they don't matter, because the forty time for certain

4:14

positions, the weights, the heights, they

4:16

do matter, but it's a small small

4:19

percentage. Really, there's

4:21

kind of an order of things that are happening

4:23

here. Free agency comes before

4:25

the draft, so there is an urgency

4:27

to free agency. I think this year

4:29

the league here starts March seventeenth,

4:32

so we're under three and a half weeks

4:34

till there as I'm recording this right now in February

4:36

twenty fourth, under a month, so

4:38

that is the urgent conversation

4:41

right now. Every general manager

4:43

is meeting with agents this entire week.

4:45

I talked to a contract negotiator

4:48

a couple days ago and he's like, bro, I got like twenty

4:51

eight meetings through two and a half days just

4:53

meeting with agents. You're focusing on your own

4:56

players to get extended. You're focusing on

4:58

players that you're coach or general manager with

5:01

your general manager that they want, and

5:04

it's just a very very busy time. You're gauging

5:06

the market. You have an idea of what players

5:08

are gonna cost, but you come here, whether

5:11

it's your own players, like the forty nine ers are coming

5:13

here DeForrest Buckner and George Kittle are gonna

5:15

get extended. They got an idea of

5:17

what they're gonna pay, and the agent has

5:19

an idea of what they want to get paid.

5:22

And now they're gonna meet over some Vodkas,

5:24

over a steak in a hotel room,

5:27

whatever, and you're gonna both say a number,

5:29

and it's either gonna be like, Okay, we're close,

5:32

or holy hell, we got ways to go

5:34

and that to me is the number one priority

5:37

of this business convention. It's why I

5:39

was kind of baffled at Sean mcvay's not here.

5:41

A lot of business gets done. You have

5:44

to be here. And with

5:46

free agency, another thing that happens is

5:49

it has a domino effect on your own team

5:51

because if you go, WHOA my coach,

5:54

or if I'm the GM and I know I really like

5:56

this guy and I can get them for a price that I didn't think

5:58

i'd get them for, I might have to cut

6:00

a player on my team to make the salary cap

6:02

room for that individual. So you're finding

6:04

out all that information, and you're also gauging

6:06

the trade market because every

6:09

year in the NFL, Ron

6:11

Rivera, Mike McCarthy, Joe

6:13

Judge, I'm

6:15

sure, I'm Matt Rule. You

6:18

have new coaches this year that

6:20

are going to want to get rid

6:22

of veteran players or younger players

6:25

on their team that they don't think fit the scheme.

6:27

So you have players available

6:29

for trade. And clearly there have been

6:31

rumors of Darius Lay

6:34

of Stefan Diggs. Every year

6:36

they're type those type players. A couple

6:38

of years ago, Khalil Mack, last

6:40

year, d ford Odell Beckham. Premium

6:43

players get dealt when

6:46

the league year comes around, and really probably

6:48

a couple of weeks from now before the league year, it's

6:50

unofficial, and that's when you find out,

6:52

well, I can get how much is Darius

6:55

Slay gonna cost? If I need a star corner,

6:57

I find the Eagles. If I'm Seattle, if I'm

6:59

the Niners, would I be willing

7:01

If I'm the Niners, would I be willing to give pick thirty

7:03

one for Darius Lay? If I

7:05

was Philly, would I give two twos for Darius

7:08

Lay? You know, these are the type

7:10

conversations you're having, and then you have to factor

7:12

in, well, can we afford to pay the guy because

7:14

we're getting his contract or Stephan Diggs, which

7:16

actually might be more enticing because he's under

7:19

contract. So you've probably

7:21

done the work with your scouting department, you know how much

7:23

you like the player, and you've got yard

7:25

gauging, and who knows. Maybe Mike Zimmers says no,

7:27

under no circumstances, we're not trading him, and

7:29

he goes, actually he could be had for a first round pick.

7:32

That's the type information that's done here. It

7:35

is all the league's business is done

7:37

because everyone is here. It's just

7:39

you just bump into. Oh there's Cliff Kingsbury.

7:42

Oh there's you know, John Schneider.

7:44

Oh there's Andy Reid, who will be on

7:46

the podcast this week super Bowl champ. I

7:49

don't know when I'm gonna release. It might do Friday, but we'll

7:51

see how all the other interviews go. So

7:53

that that is a huge I think a

7:55

lot of fans think this is much more draft

7:57

oriented. I actually think it's much more oriented

8:01

with free agency trades and cuts,

8:03

trying to get guys in your team to take a pay cut. Say hey,

8:05

if you don't take a pay cut, we're gonna have to cut you. Then

8:07

that agent has to determine, well, are we better

8:10

off taking a pay cut and staying or are we better off getting

8:12

cut, hitting the open market and getting more money. You're

8:15

just you're getting a feel for the market value

8:17

because right now there's a

8:19

lot of educated guesses, but you don't

8:21

truly know. Like George Kittle,

8:24

he's gonna get extended. The highest

8:26

amount of money a tight end has ever been

8:29

signed for in true guaranteed dollars

8:31

was twenty two million dollars. Well,

8:33

Michael Thomas last year, a wide receiver signed

8:35

for over sixty million dollars. If

8:38

I'm George Kittle and you want to sign me an extension,

8:41

I'm not picking up the phone for like anything

8:43

under forty million dollars. And

8:45

these are the type conversations that are being Darius

8:48

Slay's telling the Lions. Listen, I think

8:50

I'm an eighteen million dollars a year corner.

8:52

So you either break me off right now and

8:54

giving me sixty seventy million dollars guaranteed,

8:57

or trade me to someone that will pay me. And

9:00

then the draft. And I think

9:02

the number one thing that happens here with the

9:04

draft is the medical check. They

9:06

get m ride. The doctors and trainers

9:09

from every individual team get to get their hands on these

9:11

players, get to give him a thumbs up a thumbs

9:13

down. We'll get into two a little later.

9:15

But there are countless guys that have had ankle

9:18

surgeries, knee surgeries, elbow

9:20

surgery, shoulder surgeries that

9:22

your scout has gone in throughout the years

9:24

and made a note in your you

9:28

know, your program, whatever

9:30

you're scouting. You know deal

9:32

is in house. So

9:34

when if I'm the GM and I type in player

9:37

X and I see, well, my regional

9:39

scout red flagged him because something's up

9:41

with his knee. The trainer

9:43

at you know LSU

9:45

or USC told me you got to keep an eye on this

9:47

guy's knee. Well, my trainer knows that and he's

9:49

looking at it now. Medical is,

9:52

you know, it's an exact science. And this is where it gets

9:54

difficult is as a player,

9:56

if I'm a general manager, I can make

9:58

the determination right he's good or not

10:00

good enough. I might not be right, but

10:02

I can. That's my job to determine

10:05

is this guy good enough to take with a first round

10:07

pick, to take with a second round pick? Do I

10:09

think this guy could become a pro bowler. That's the job

10:12

of a general manager, and really

10:14

any coach worth a soul to be able to understand

10:16

that. But we didn't go to medical

10:19

school, right, most of you guys listening didn't either.

10:21

So when you go when you're sick, when

10:24

something happens, do you think about this? You go to a

10:26

doctor, you have no freaking

10:29

clue. You get some weird bump on your

10:31

knee, you get some weird pain

10:33

in your throat, you get some weird something

10:35

in your stomach, You got no

10:37

clue. You can go to web md all you want. You're like, yeah,

10:39

I don't know, and then the doctor tells you something out

10:41

of the blue. He's like, oh, just take these pills, it'll

10:44

be cured. It's like you're just assuming

10:46

that he's right. It's like when you go to

10:48

a restaurant. We don't even we're so

10:50

spoiled in America. We just go to a restaurant. I'm

10:52

gonna go eat a little later, probably gonna steak,

10:54

because that's what you do when you're an indie, and you

10:56

just assume that you're not gonna get sick from it. You don't

10:58

even think twice about it. You

11:01

do have to just trust your doctors.

11:03

At a level of your job

11:05

as a general manager when it comes to injured

11:07

players is kind of tied to their recommendation

11:11

because you know, they just

11:14

you got a degree in scouting, right.

11:16

Obviously you didn't get an actual degree in scouting,

11:18

but that's you're not a doctor, and

11:20

so you just don't know. You can't read

11:22

an X ray sheet right,

11:25

and then the other thing right

11:28

behind. Even again, I'm telling you,

11:30

the the impact of the on

11:32

the field workouts is really overblown

11:35

because the number two most important thing

11:37

for these young players is the interviews.

11:40

And when I was a road scout, you

11:43

know, you're you're a detective, so

11:46

it's easy to do the Andrew Lucks or Patrick

11:48

Mahomes or you know, Russell Wilson's.

11:50

It's just like, is this too good to be true?

11:53

Everyone's telling me they let their daughter marry

11:55

him. They love the guy. He's the

11:57

nicest human ever, smartest human ever,

11:59

best player I've ever seen. It's like, we're are the red

12:01

flags? Those guys make you nervous. But

12:03

a lot of times, you know, it is

12:06

true when it comes to the highest level guys,

12:09

but a lot of guys you know, might have

12:11

a red flag and it could be as something

12:13

as simple, and you could argue like as trivial

12:15

as like, you know, he got a peeing

12:18

in public. It happened to me when I was in

12:20

high school. He was drunk at a party his

12:22

freshman year and got arrested or

12:24

got a citation or something, and then he was

12:27

so wasted he ran from the cops. And

12:29

it was something that was under wraps, But

12:31

if you did your digging, you found out about it.

12:33

That's something that he might just get asked about

12:36

in the meeting with the head coach and the general manager.

12:39

Or there might be legitimate serious things,

12:41

right like this is a player that had to

12:43

transfer a school because the coach kicked

12:45

him off the program. This guy's been arrested

12:48

countless times. This guy had a gun charge, this

12:50

guy had whatever. Those are

12:52

things that when you sit down with them,

12:54

with your general manager and your coach, you

12:57

might not even talk about football. You

12:59

might just talk about that stuff that

13:02

that might be the focus of your interview.

13:04

And the thing with football is

13:07

there are only so many really good players

13:09

and there's a fine balance. Like most

13:12

jobs, if you go, you know, listen,

13:14

I can get I'd get five sales guys. Two

13:17

guys have been arrested, one

13:19

guy went to Stanford, and the other guys are just

13:21

state school hard workers. You'd be like, well, the

13:23

two guys that have got arrested and have some red flags,

13:26

I'm not even messing with one football.

13:28

It's hard to just take guys off your draft board.

13:30

And you know, I know the media

13:33

over the years loves to get on their moral high

13:35

horse, but the job of the general manager

13:37

and the head coach is simple that

13:39

this is not We're not teaching life lessons. Here in

13:41

the NFL, it's about winning games, and if

13:43

you do not win games, you get fired, So

13:46

that your number one goal is to get the

13:48

best players possible. One time,

13:52

I think it was Super Bowl week, maybe my first

13:54

year, I had a radio show and me

13:57

and Haberman we had a

13:59

moose and he told me something

14:01

that I'll never forget. He said, the one

14:03

thing I learned in Dallas you need

14:05

two things in your locker room. You

14:07

need players with character and

14:10

you need characters that can play and

14:12

then let it balance out. And obviously they

14:15

had the best example of both worlds right

14:18

with that Dallas team. I mean they had what was it

14:20

called the White House with Michael

14:22

Irvin and some of those guys and the prostitutes

14:24

in the cocaine, and then they just had the goody

14:27

two shoes, you know, Troy Aikman. I don't think Troy

14:29

Aakman's causing much trouble, right, But they

14:32

were one of the best teams, probably

14:34

had one of the best four or five year runs in the

14:36

history of the NFL, ninety

14:39

five, Like, it doesn't get much better than that for the Dallas

14:41

Cowboys. And they were not perfect,

14:44

but Jimmy Johnson built that thing, and they kicked

14:46

ass and took names, and you could get away

14:48

with more background, right. I mean, there

14:51

was a time when Lawrence Taylor would be doing

14:53

some cocaine at night and then you play the next game. I

14:55

don't know if that's really flying, And maybe

14:57

I'm naive that's addas don't think that

15:00

it's happening in twenty twenty. Times

15:02

have changed, but I don't think most guys are

15:04

Most players aren't like that. Most players it's

15:07

just different. But I think anything

15:09

domestic violence for most teams now that that

15:11

is getting thrown, you're just not going

15:13

to get drafted. But there are situations

15:16

that you go and this is the hard

15:18

part of the job. Is that a

15:20

median narrative where we can

15:22

just feel the guy's guilty, he did something, and then

15:24

you interview the guy. He's like, I'm telling you, I didn't do

15:26

anything. I'm telling you, and it's like,

15:29

do you believe the guy? And I'm not even talking about

15:31

a domestic violence. It could even be like a weed

15:33

charge, a gun charge. Think how

15:35

stupid it isn't even say a weed charge. But that's the

15:37

reality is in some states, weed is illegal,

15:40

and you're digging on these these

15:42

situations with these players. And

15:44

I'm talking mainly about the first

15:46

and second round guys, especially the first

15:49

ones, because you're guaranteeing them four years of

15:51

a contract. You're guaranteeing them a ton of

15:53

money. It's one thing to take a flyer on a six

15:55

or seventh round guy. I don't

15:57

put much stock in the late rounds, not that

16:00

they don't if you hit on them, they don't become great

16:02

players. Richard Sherman, Tom Brady,

16:04

George Kittle. I mean, they do matter,

16:07

but you're not as tied to those players

16:09

because of the economics. You can just get rid of them.

16:12

When you draft a guy in the top twenty,

16:14

that guy's gonna be on your team for three or four years

16:17

because of the amount of money you've put into them. Same maybe

16:19

with the second round. If you're if you're drafting

16:21

the second round, you're basically

16:23

on scholarship for three years just

16:26

because of what they invested in you. And

16:28

so you really have to figure out

16:30

those people. And I think the NFL,

16:33

when it comes to success with players

16:36

is for the most part. Now some guys it turns

16:38

out they just they can't play but

16:40

I would imagine the majority

16:43

of BUS, the majority

16:45

of Bus. I'd even probably go ninety

16:47

percent of BUS weren't

16:49

talent. We're focused, we're

16:52

work ethic, we're maturity,

16:54

we're intangible stuff. This is

16:56

an intangible league. You

16:59

know what you get that once you get to this level,

17:01

Once we get to the combine and we see

17:03

the top you know, one hundred and fifty players,

17:05

Like what separates most of those guys

17:08

is going to be their mind, That

17:10

their their drive, and

17:13

it's it's the one thing that that the analytic

17:15

crew you're never gonna be able to measure. You

17:18

never will. But the best general

17:20

managers, the Belichicks, the pat Riley's,

17:23

the you know that. Just think about the guys

17:25

over the the Giants when they were winning championships

17:27

with Bruce Bocci, they just

17:29

had they had great people.

17:32

And that's what you're trying to figure out this week is

17:35

do I want this person? Do I want

17:37

to hitch my wagon as a general

17:39

manager, as a coach, as

17:42

a scout to this person,

17:45

because once you go, yeah, this guy can play, Do

17:47

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17:49

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the combine in terms of

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college players. And I

19:30

think they're three headliners, and they happen

19:32

to be the three quarterbacks because, let's

19:35

face the reality, the quarterbacks are more important

19:37

than the other positions. They get talked about more, they

19:39

draw more casual fans. In hell,

19:42

they interest me more because I know they interest

19:44

you more. And they're just fascinating

19:46

because if you draft the right quarterback CEC

19:49

Patrick Mahomes, CC, Deshaun Watson,

19:51

c C Carson Wentz, hell

19:54

even Jared Goffsman pretty damn good. That

19:57

Russell Wilson, we've seen them all. Cams

19:59

the lock change your franchise forever. You

20:02

become a relevant franchise in

20:04

the most important league in America.

20:07

So Joe Burrow sixty

20:09

touchdown, six picks, Heisman Trophy,

20:11

National champion, basically

20:13

kicked everyone's ass start to finish

20:17

a little bit of a one I mean not a little bit. He

20:19

was a one year wonder, but his one year was

20:21

so remarkable. He's won it. He had one of the

20:23

greatest just statistical, the greatest

20:25

statistical season. The eye test, he

20:30

passed every test. To me,

20:32

there's a question though with him, and I don't know if he

20:34

necessarily will do this because it's typically

20:36

not his job. Usually the agent,

20:39

the father, someone in his

20:41

camp does this for him. But

20:43

he's gonna talk this week at

20:46

a podium with a bunch of media there, and he's

20:48

gonna get asked, do you want

20:50

to be a Cincinnati Bengal? Will

20:53

you go to Cincinnati if they draft you?

20:55

Because that's kind of the elephant in the room

20:57

right now, and I think

20:59

he'll probably take, you know,

21:02

the politically correct tactic, and that's probably

21:04

the right one. Listen, I want to go whoever drafts me.

21:06

I want to go as high as possible. Just kind

21:08

of play it in the middle. Now, could they still

21:10

play that? Because I think

21:13

even if you're a Bengal fan listening, and if you're

21:15

not a Bengal fan, your owner is the cheapest owner. They

21:17

never resigned free agents. It's a very

21:19

difficult place to win. It really is remarkable

21:21

how much success Marvin Lewis had, But Marvin Lewis

21:24

is no longer there. They got this young guy that

21:26

I kind of want to like, Zach Taylor, but I don't

21:29

know if he's any good. That could just

21:31

be an absolute disaster. So if you're

21:33

Joe Burrow, if he did have his agent

21:36

drawn lyon in the sand and kind of go NBA,

21:38

we will not play there, or Eli

21:41

Manning or John Elway. I actually

21:43

think for the first time in a long time now it hasn't

21:45

happening forever, but I think in previous

21:47

years you got a lot of shit if you were the player

21:50

and you did it. That's just the way society

21:52

worked, like suck it up. I actually

21:54

think he would get some support from

21:56

the outside from people like me, A lot of

21:58

fans probably listening would be like, hey, I'd probably

22:00

do the same thing. I wouldn't want to play in Cincinnati now

22:02

where it gets a little complicated as he's from Ohio,

22:06

and I think

22:08

some of the certain states that if you kind

22:10

of turn your back on him, like Lebron

22:12

played for Cleveland, right, and

22:14

I don't know who the hell would want to play for Cleveland,

22:16

and it worked out pretty well for him, you

22:19

know. And I think you know Carson Palmer

22:21

though, has gone on record like avoid it, bro, do

22:23

not go there. So I'm

22:25

just fascinated will that come out this

22:28

week that they plan on letting the Bengals

22:30

know they're not going to play there. To his

22:32

health, it's probably

22:34

the biggest question mark, like actual

22:37

tangible question mark at this combine,

22:39

because it's one thing for his agents and

22:42

people around to a hell. I walked by him

22:44

a couple of weeks ago at the Super Bowl. He looked like he was

22:46

moving fine. He looked thick, He looked like he

22:48

was in good shape. He was in good spirits. But

22:51

I'm not a doctor. So if

22:54

you're a doctor and you're the Miami Dolphins

22:56

and now they've done this before and they missed. I

22:58

actually someone texted me or tweeted

23:00

at me or dm me that it was Danny

23:02

Cannell, the former you know, radio

23:05

host. I guess he's still a radio host, played in the NFL,

23:07

played at Florida State. His dad was the Dolphins

23:09

doctor failed Drew Brees. But

23:11

I don't blame Nick Saban, like that's

23:14

that's on Danny Cannell's dad. It's

23:16

on the doctor too. And

23:18

I'm not even blaming Danny Cannell's dad. It's

23:20

medicine's hard. Like

23:22

I don't know anything about it. You don't know anything about

23:25

it. No one knows it. That's why doctors could pay so

23:27

much money. It's also why they go to school for ten years,

23:29

because you get go three different doctors here,

23:31

three different things. I also think

23:33

this injury is very, very unique.

23:36

It just doesn't happen ever ACL's

23:39

labrooms, elbows, ankles.

23:42

When does a guy ever do this to his hip? So

23:46

I also think be ready for this. If

23:48

I wanted to h and my doctor told

23:51

me, and I was a general manager of the Dolphins

23:53

or the Chargers or the Raiders or

23:55

whoever, and I love too and I wanted to get

23:57

them, you know what I would leak out we failed

24:00

him, We think his hip is degenerate.

24:02

I would I would lie, you

24:05

know, without hesitation.

24:08

I would try to ruin his stock. That

24:11

is where I think people often say, you know

24:13

this is lying season. It is because

24:16

I want to or to drop to me. So

24:18

just because you hear, and I'm just

24:20

gonna take an educated guess that

24:22

there are teams that have failed to

24:24

us because they want him to drop like a rock.

24:27

They want him to fall right to them and they

24:29

want to draft him and then they want him to be their

24:32

quarterback. So get get ready for

24:34

that. What about Herbert?

24:36

And I was I was just texting with Daniel Jeremiah

24:38

before I pressed record here, and

24:41

he has a lot of love for Jordan, love like the

24:43

tools are there. He might be a more natural

24:45

pastor than Herbert. Now, his stats

24:48

a little Josh Allen like or just atrocious.

24:50

He didn't win, but there are

24:52

some curveballs, like his coach left.

24:54

He lost a bunch of skill guys while

24:56

Herbert returned to school when he would have been a

24:59

top five pick. Really toolsy,

25:01

and I think he's gonna be the most polarizing

25:04

player probably here. Just give it that

25:06

could go in the top five. They're gonna be probably some

25:08

teams that have him as the number one quarterback

25:11

on their board, and they're gonna be teams

25:13

that might have him four my

25:16

gut and I talked about it last week. Listen,

25:19

his tools are what people look for in the scouting

25:21

community. But like I can't

25:23

lie and say that if healthy

25:26

was a way better college player to have dominated,

25:28

Ta was as dominant of a college quarterback,

25:31

just in terms of like things that would translate

25:33

to the NFL, just throwing the ball, the deep ball, the

25:36

accuracy, the precision running that offense

25:39

that you're gonna see. But the injuries factor

25:41

in where Herbert is more of a project. But

25:43

I do think in twenty twenty you could argue there's

25:45

never been a better time to have a project get

25:48

spread offenses that can't hit the quarterback,

25:50

that can't hit the wide receiver. I was bs

25:52

and with assistant coach right when I was

25:54

checking in, He's like, you know, some of these

25:57

numbers are so inflated. He's

25:59

like, what a sixty five percent mean? Like,

26:01

what does eighty ninety catches?

26:03

When Jerry Rice did it in ninety

26:05

or ninety one or eighty nine, when

26:08

the Ronnie Lots of the world could kill you.

26:11

Now Ronnie was on his team, but you

26:13

had to fear going over the middle is a

26:15

little different than ninety. Now now I would

26:18

count and be like ninety's still pretty impressive, But

26:20

there's a physicality and there's a you

26:23

don't back. Jerry was making

26:25

business decisions like I'm gonna get killed, but I'm gonna

26:27

catch the ball. You don't really make business decisions

26:29

now because I know if you hit me one, we're getting fifteen

26:31

yards and two more than likely you're not gonna hit me because

26:33

we see it. Guys pull up all the time now because

26:36

they know they're gonna get flagged. It's not worth it. They just tackle them

26:38

normally. Hell sometimes they missed tackles and the guy scores.

26:41

So I think when you're evaluating Herbert,

26:43

who's a much more complete prospect

26:46

right now than Love? But I think those

26:48

guys are gonna be very, very polarizing

26:50

this week. You know, could

26:52

Herbert go top one or two? Could

26:55

Jordan Love? Is he a lock first rounder?

26:58

I think those two guys are gonna be in the same conversation.

27:01

Is just having this enormous

27:03

upside now. Herbert's accomplished

27:05

way more but Love. We've

27:08

just seen it a couple of years ago, and

27:10

I say it all the time. Herbert's a way way more accomplished.

27:13

Josh Allen, Well,

27:15

Jordan Love is much more under that kind

27:17

of category. Like Josh Allen's smaller school

27:20

didn't really produce that much, but

27:23

has all these tools. Now I don't

27:25

know anything about his work ethic, his intelligence

27:28

as smarts that always matters

27:30

for quarterbacks, and that will really factor in, especially

27:33

when you're talking about a project that you might have the draft

27:35

in the first round, because ultimately, when you took

27:37

Aaron Rodgers in the first round fifteen years

27:40

ago, you went and honestly, he might be

27:42

too smart for his own good, but he's a high intellectual

27:44

guy, cow guy, really smart and pick

27:46

up the offense only scratching the surface.

27:49

Like he was the ideal guy to use as a project.

27:51

I think teams are gonna look I know Colin talked about

27:53

it on Monday, like that's kind of look

27:55

like just a project that you can work with.

27:58

The thing is projects in two thousand twenty,

28:00

they don't they don't go at twenty five anymore. They go it like

28:02

seven because Josh Allen went at seven.

28:05

So that's that's what happens.

28:07

And then the wide receiver group, you

28:09

know, just how do they all kind of shape themselves

28:12

out. There's been so much hype on this group. Potentially

28:15

you know, fifty guys going in the top seventy

28:18

picks or whatever. Usually

28:20

wide receivers fall a little bit, and I

28:22

think that we're only gonna end up probably three or four

28:24

go in the first round, ton go in the second

28:26

round. But does Henry Ruggs

28:29

run a four to two? Does Jerry Judy

28:31

just put on like an Amari Cooper like clinic?

28:34

Does Ceedee Lamb just blow

28:36

everyone away? Does the kid I

28:38

can't even say his name, Ayuka his

28:41

measurables today weighing in,

28:43

He's got like an eighty inch wingspan. He's

28:45

jacked. I mean he might run a four or four flat.

28:48

I mean is that the is Arizona State can have

28:50

back to back wide receivers go in the first round.

28:54

So it's it's a very very intriguing

28:56

class. But the quarterbacks burrow

28:58

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let's dive into some of the NFL storylines, because

30:44

like the quarterbacks in the draft, there

30:47

is the greatest of all time is a free agent. And

30:49

I was reading Albert Rier's MMQB and

30:52

I've had people DM me say, Jeff Darlington

30:54

thinks he's gonna leave. Alberbreer said,

30:56

leaving is definitely on the table. Robert

30:59

Craft, and you know he talked about

31:01

it. I played an audio

31:04

on here three or four weeks ago from

31:06

rap sheet saying Craft is not going to get involved.

31:08

Breer uttered the same statements, He's

31:11

gonna let Belichick do it. Well, if Belichick's

31:13

doing it, I think it's a fifty fifty

31:15

proposition. And the question

31:18

we keep hearing, I keep asking, you

31:20

keep asking, well, what's Belichick

31:22

gonna do at quarterback? I don't think he thinks like that.

31:24

He'll figure it out. He's just

31:27

Bill Belichick. That's what he does. He doesn't freak

31:29

out now it is a more

31:31

important position than just like an outside linebacker

31:33

or a running back or a wide receiver. But

31:36

I'd imagine he has a plan, whether it's

31:38

to mortgage a ton to get a young quarterback, whether

31:41

it's to sign a bridge quarterback, whether

31:43

it's a trade for a guy. But I keep

31:46

getting back to this, Tom Brady will be forty

31:49

three years old. I

31:51

athletically in my life, probably

31:55

Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, and now Tom

31:57

Brady. Probably no person

31:59

I admire more in sports when it just comes to

32:01

work, ethic, drive, determination,

32:04

just the willingness to win. You want

32:06

to beat Brady. You got to bury his ass. He's

32:09

one of the great champions we've ever seen in all

32:11

of sports. He dedicated his

32:13

life, change his diet. Dude's a killer.

32:15

Even if you hate the Patriots, we all acknowledge.

32:18

We've all seen that guy in the biggest moments,

32:21

put stakes through opponent's hearts,

32:23

and at the end of the day, it's why we all watch sports.

32:26

We want to see the best. We want to see

32:28

Jordan, we want to see Tiger, we want to see

32:30

Brady. We want to see Peyton Manning, we

32:32

want to see Kobe and Lebron in the biggest

32:34

moments deliver. So's

32:36

why I watched professional sports, That's

32:38

why I fell in love with it, watching the best players

32:41

kick ass at the biggest moments.

32:44

And no one's done a better job historically

32:46

than Brady. But he's gonna be forty

32:49

three years old, and there has to be

32:51

like, is he gonna play

32:53

to the forty six forty seven? Like

32:55

when's he gonna stop? When's it just gonna end?

32:57

When's he gonna all of a sudden? Kobe Bryant

33:00

the one game against the Warrior's tears Achilles

33:02

and it was just basically over from then on out. When's

33:04

that gonna happen to Tom Someone just fall on his ankle

33:06

because he's forty three years old, it just shatters

33:09

somehow He's been able to avoid it. Like Peyton Manning.

33:12

I saw Peyton Manning twice that final

33:14

year. It was just over game,

33:16

set match. He was just a rap. He

33:19

couldn't throw anymore. Now. The difference with

33:21

Brady, like Peyton, they can't move, but

33:23

Brady's arms still pretty strong. The

33:25

problem with Peyton is he never had a strong arm,

33:28

So I think you could justify it.

33:30

But if Belichick just said, listen,

33:33

Tom, one year, fifteen

33:35

million, take it or leave it. I

33:37

don't know if I could totally blame him, maybe

33:39

twenty out of respect, but Tom,

33:42

I'm not giving you two for sixty. Let's

33:44

put yourself in my shoes. I

33:46

get you're mad at me, and you know we've

33:49

butted heads over the years, But that's crazy for

33:51

a forty three year old. You could argue

33:54

that's crazy for like a guy in his late thirties.

33:56

But every

33:58

day that goes by, I start to feel more

34:00

and more like he's gonna leave. Philip

34:03

Rivers I think is a huge domino because

34:05

if he goes to Indy, and I've texted with a couple of

34:07

coaches over the last month, they all think he's gonna go to

34:09

Indy, then that has a domino

34:11

effect on Tampa. Does Tampa

34:13

let Jamis go? Do they franchise Jamis?

34:16

If he goes to Indie? Do they trade Jacoby?

34:19

So? Does Indie trade Jacoby to a team that

34:21

just needs a good backup like New

34:24

York Jets, the Buffalo Bills, Miami

34:26

Dolphins. I think Jacoby

34:29

would definitely have a market. You know,

34:31

so many, so many the Belichick guys are

34:33

spread out the like if you're Brian Flores,

34:36

wouldn't you draft if you draft two of Herbert?

34:38

Wouldn't you want Jacoby around? You know him, You've

34:40

been around him. I could see that trade cam

34:43

Newton. It sure feels like cam

34:45

Newton's done. I think Cam

34:47

Newton desperately wants to stay in Carolina.

34:49

That's his home. It's he loves the place.

34:52

He's won there. He's a Carolina He's famous

34:54

for being a panther. I just

34:56

get the my gut feeling, is they cut

34:58

or trade him? And depending on what

35:01

happens is some of these other guys, like would would

35:04

Bruce arians take a flyer on Cam Newton?

35:07

But would he risk cam Newton not

35:09

being healthy and getting rid of jamis at

35:11

one's risky? Would John Gruden want

35:14

Cam Newton? Would he trade for him? Would he think cam Newton's

35:16

better than Derek? Get a star to sell

35:18

going into the new building? What would

35:20

Derek's trade value be? Could

35:22

the could the Chicago Bears give

35:25

the Oakland Raiders if

35:28

Cam Newton or Tom Brady went went

35:30

to Vegas, you know their second

35:32

round pickback? Would would that be

35:35

his value? Andy Dalton?

35:37

Is he even any good. I've had a couple of veteran assistant

35:39

coaches say like, I think I could win with Andy Dalton.

35:42

His view in

35:44

the league with coaches is probably

35:47

better than it is with us on the outside.

35:49

And my scouting buddies think he's just kind of

35:51

a guy. But coaches like him because

35:53

he's consistent in theory,

35:56

and he's smart. He can run

35:58

your offense. Stuff that bores me,

36:00

like he's just not good enough. But

36:03

Derek definitely if he's available. He's intriguing

36:05

because he has a big arm, he can move, he

36:08

can run a bunch of different offenses. He's played

36:10

in a bunch of different offenses. I

36:13

think if the Raiders somehow

36:15

get Brady, which that feels

36:17

unlikely, but if he leaves,

36:20

I mean they could offer a boatload of

36:22

money if they get cam

36:24

Rivers. I couldn't see that. I think Philip Rivers

36:27

a little old school, like he values

36:30

the Chiefs, Broncos and Raiders being his rival.

36:32

Like he's more like an old old school

36:34

player, you know. It's that means

36:37

something to him. His dad's a coach, Like

36:39

the little things mean something to Rivers. Why I think

36:41

he's it's INDI or Tampa. I think those

36:43

are only two options. We're

36:46

also two options that make sense for him as

36:48

well. But we got a fascinating

36:51

a couple of weeks here with these quarterbacks that if

36:53

Tom Brady changed his teams, it's

36:56

one of the biggest stories in the history of

36:58

sports, just that simple. It's

37:00

like Jordan to the Wizards Willie

37:03

Mays. Now it's different. William Mays went to the Mets a little

37:05

before my time, but he clearly was over the hill, and

37:09

in theory, Brady would still be more functional

37:11

than mj was on the Wizards. But

37:15

that's a that's a crazy story if

37:17

that happens, and I'm telling you, I

37:20

feel like he might move teams. Okay,

37:24

let's get to the middlecof mail bag, but really

37:26

quick, I saw this on Twitter

37:28

as I was recording. Jane

37:30

Slater, who obviously does a podcast as well

37:32

for Colin des Bryan on last week was

37:35

a really good interview, said

37:37

that Stephen Jones said

37:40

that he has not talked with Dak's

37:42

represent representation since

37:44

September and they don't even

37:47

have a meeting on the books for this week.

37:50

Like, I'm sorry, that's a little weird. I

37:56

don't know man, something's up. Do they

37:58

not value him? Are they just like, Bro,

38:00

you're not worth forty million dollars, We don't even

38:02

think you're worth thirty five. We're giving you

38:04

twenty five to twenty eight. Take it or

38:06

leave it. And maybe

38:08

there's in a weird spot. Now. You could

38:11

also say why they wait so long? The problem

38:13

is when you hit on a third, fourth, fifth round quarterback,

38:17

you can't negotiate after the first couple of years.

38:19

You can only negotiate after the third year, and then

38:21

when it doesn't get done and he plays it out, he

38:23

just hits free agency. It's not like you

38:25

have so much more time with a first round quarterback

38:28

because you can negotiate after the first year. Then

38:30

you can pick up the fifth year option. So you got like

38:33

this three year buffer period to kind of mess

38:35

with it. When you hit on that mid round

38:37

guy was back fourth round,

38:39

there's the urgency just gets amplified,

38:42

and the Cowboys, for

38:44

whatever reason, typically wait so long,

38:47

and now they're in a position with him. Annamari

38:49

unsigned that if this CBA agreement

38:51

gets done, they can't franchise and transition

38:54

tack both of them. Kind of a weird spot.

38:57

Just the Cowboys. Man. I love Jerry,

38:59

I love what the Cowboys stand for. I love

39:01

how just they crush it. Business wise,

39:04

they do wear me out a little football wise because

39:06

they always think, but I appreciate

39:08

the brand. I appreciate the money they generate,

39:11

but they don't exactly negotiate. The

39:14

forty nine ers, the Eagles, they

39:16

never let these situations happen. Get

39:19

they get a guy like him, they would have signed him a

39:21

year. They would have got the job done because you

39:23

get into a position where you start really overpaying

39:25

because he's kind of got you by the balls. Now

39:28

you kind of have him too, because he can go, well,

39:31

I'll franchise you. But you don't want to

39:33

do that with your quarterback. If you start franchising

39:35

him twice, that's what you think of him.

39:37

You think he's Kirk Cousins. Now you might

39:39

he's clearly better than Kirk Cousins. But I'm saying

39:42

that's what it shows your locker room,

39:44

what it shows to him. It's like, brod are

39:46

we on the same page here? Or am

39:48

I in year four? Year five and I'm still on a

39:50

tryout basis. The problem

39:53

is if he gets really greedy and people

39:55

like it's so unfair when people say

39:57

the players are greedy. Well, if

40:00

if they're offered him thirty million dollars

40:02

a year, I'm not crying for Dak because

40:04

he wants thirty five million dollars a year. He's

40:06

the Dallas Cowboy quarterback. They're guaranteeing him

40:08

over one hundred million dollars. He's gonna

40:10

make an astronomical amount of money. So

40:13

if you think I'm gonna go, well, he's he deserves

40:15

every penny. I don't think he deserves every penny. You

40:17

know, he ain't Mahomes, he ain't Russell Wilson.

40:20

He's just solid. I don't

40:22

even think he's not the most talented guy in his division. That's

40:25

Carson. Now. You

40:27

know, I get Carson's battled injuries,

40:29

But part of it is you're projecting, because we're

40:31

not paying for past performance. I'm projecting.

40:34

So Dak, if you do get a little better with Mike McCarthy, what if

40:36

Mike McCarthy doesn't want him. That's

40:38

the other curveball here. What if Mike McCarthy's like,

40:40

guys, I think we can do better.

40:43

What's the point to hire Mike McCarthy If you don't want

40:45

to listen to him. If he's telling you that, you gotta you

40:48

gotta listen, right, you gotta think, Hell,

40:50

this guy might be onto something. Maybe we don't

40:53

want to pay Dak all this money. What if we could reinvest

40:55

it in somewhere else? Would if we go try to get

40:58

trade for Derek Carr, who's much cheaper,

41:00

signing Andy Dalton for a year and then draft a guy I

41:02

don't know. I'm just throwing out ideas, and

41:04

I like Dak, but I got

41:07

this situation red flagged a mile away. Stephen

41:09

Jones doesn't talked to his representations in September.

41:13

I thought he was your franchise quarterback. Is he not your

41:15

franchise quarterback? I don't I don't get it. Middlecoff

41:18

mail back at John Middlecoff DM's

41:21

wide open questions galore and

41:24

follow me on install. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be instant

41:26

storying starting Tuesday because I I can't

41:29

even get a credential to tomorrow, So nothing

41:32

really cool till tomorrow. I guess if you're

41:34

listening it today. Not sure why the

41:36

Vikings don't trade step On Diggs in New England.

41:38

They could get back at least a first round pick. They

41:40

could just draft another wide receiver with that pick

41:42

and create much more cap space and resign

41:45

expiring contracts or sign other offensive

41:47

lineman. Not a bad idea.

41:49

I'm with you, there is a financial

41:52

aspect to it. The problem I

41:54

have is Diggs is just a

41:56

stud. Like he's a real he's

41:58

the real deal Holy Field, Like he's a baller.

42:00

Now. Is the top five wide receiver? No?

42:03

But is he a top fifteen guy? Yes? And

42:06

he's a player you can win with. He's the only

42:08

guy that really pissed a drop in the Niners playoff

42:10

game. He had. The only

42:12

touchdown they scored was because of him. Three

42:14

straight balls right at him, two catches and a PI

42:18

and a touchdown and he almost threw the ball out of

42:20

the stadium. I like him, you know.

42:22

I can deal with DIVA wide receivers as

42:24

long as they're winning DIVA wide receivers. Not every

42:26

wide receivers a winning DIVA wide receiver. Dez

42:29

was for a while, Antonio was for a while. Digs

42:32

now, they're all different in their Diva ways, but

42:34

they're just they're a little NBA ish.

42:36

They're they're a little they're they're

42:39

like NBA players, But if you're a winning NBA

42:41

player, I can have you. If you're not get

42:43

rid of you. And that's where I think it makes it tough for Vikings

42:46

because he is a winning player. Could

42:49

you do a breakdown of each team's potential

42:51

needs prior to the draft? Maybe division

42:54

per pod, maybe project a couple of sleepers

42:56

for the draft. Yeah, we got a once

42:59

we get pass free agency,

43:01

we have those couple of weeks probably mid

43:03

April, where you know it'll drag

43:06

a little bit. We could do something like that, but

43:08

I think we're gonna have so much action this week.

43:11

Next week, got some interviews free

43:13

agency that

43:15

I can definitely mix some of that in. I

43:18

wanted to know more about how owners and players

43:20

split revenue. If players all play

43:23

under the contract, then how do they split

43:25

the forty seven percent revenue? Is

43:27

this the salary cap for each team? Forty

43:29

percent of the revenue divided by thirty two teams

43:31

to get to the salary cap? You

43:35

know what, what's your avvy? That

43:37

is an incredible question that

43:40

this podcast host me. It's

43:43

not educated enough to know the answer. I

43:46

would imagine the yearly. I don't

43:49

know if the two hundred million or whatever. The salary

43:51

cap is all the revenue, but

43:53

it has to be right because that's the way they're paying the players.

43:55

So if you do two hundred million times

43:58

thirty two, it's a lot of money. That's

44:00

a that's a great question. I don't know exactly

44:02

how they do that. I don't know what factors in

44:05

because their revenue. How

44:07

does the players get the suite revenue

44:09

or the parking lot revenue if they split all revenue,

44:12

is it just TV money revenue. I

44:14

need to get someone from the league and ask these

44:16

questions because I just I don't know, and I'm

44:18

fascinated by these topics, like I

44:20

I love these topics. Yeah,

44:24

I want to know. So that's I'm gonna make a little note

44:26

of that CBA person. I

44:28

don't know who that would be, but

44:32

I could. I could figure it out. Stumbled

44:35

upon your show and now it's my favorite. Appreciate

44:38

it. I'm just a casual NFL fan, But I can't imagine

44:40

Brady and Bill don't have a plan for Brady's

44:42

departure from day one and my way

44:44

off, Yeah,

44:48

I mean, I think Bill always has a plan. You always

44:51

have contingency plans. I think

44:53

Tom just because he's never been down this road.

44:56

It's one thing to like think you're gonna leave your wife

44:58

and then you finally get a divorced and you've been ma every

45:00

twenty years. You're like, I don't even know how do I date?

45:02

You? Text somebuddy like, what's this thing tender

45:05

bumble? How do I download it?

45:08

Can you come take some selfies of me so I can post

45:10

on it? I don't even know what to do. I

45:12

think there's just some unknown with Tom. He's never

45:14

been in this situation. You've been on one team

45:16

for twenty years. It's the best team in the league.

45:18

So if he is really gonna suck it up and leave, what

45:21

makes it unique is like he knows Vrabel. I

45:24

would imagine he got to know Grooden over the years.

45:26

Monday Night Football, the Chargers. Really,

45:28

I don't know why he'd go there. Actually

45:31

they do have a good team, but

45:33

uh yeah,

45:35

I think Belichick would have

45:37

some ideas of what he could do, or at least he's gonna

45:40

find that out this week, like get some,

45:42

get some get some plan of attacks

45:45

this week. Tom. I think there's

45:47

a great unknown, just because anytime

45:49

you're walking down a road that you've never walked before,

45:52

and it's just you just don't know what's

45:54

coming. You don't know where to turn left, where

45:56

to turn right. Maybe there's no lights on that road.

45:59

I think Tom wants to dabble, but I

46:01

don't think he quite knows what he's getting into. And I

46:03

think it's understandable. He just has never

46:06

come close to hitting free agency. It's kind

46:08

of nuts. Was

46:10

wondering what you think the odds are the Chargers

46:13

trade up to secure drafting a quarterback. As

46:15

it sits, they could snag two or Herbert with the six

46:17

pick. But should another team trade up,

46:20

I've seen rumors the lines are open to trading

46:22

down. The Chargers could be screwed over

46:24

and be left without a young quarterback, and

46:27

I don't want that. See us drafting

46:29

this early in the I don't see us

46:31

drafting this early in the near future. I agree.

46:34

I think the Chargers. I think you could

46:36

think about doing what the Jets did several years

46:38

ago. I guess it would be two years ago now when

46:40

they got Sam Darnold. They traded

46:42

up, remembering like March Way

46:45

before the draft, from six to three.

46:47

They gave up three second round picks. So they

46:49

flip flop three and six, and they gave three second

46:51

round picks before they even knew who was

46:53

going to be there. And it turned out to be Sam Darnold,

46:55

which I still think as a chance. I know

46:58

Lamar won the MVP, but the

47:00

pocket quarterbacks Baker and

47:02

Josh Allen. Josh Rosen's kind of done now

47:04

to be the best one. But

47:06

I would you be would you do something like that

47:09

right now? If you were the Chargers, hey

47:11

called Matt Patricia or see Bob Quinn

47:13

here, if you're Tom to Lesko and say listen, we'll

47:16

flip you three and six because the

47:18

mark, the precedent set. You

47:20

want to do that middle of March, it's

47:23

gonna cost you multiple second round picks.

47:26

Cost them three second round

47:28

picks that year. Now they got Sam Donald, and

47:30

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Is there a scenario where Burrow says to the

49:42

Bengals, all come play if you make

49:45

this organizational change. If

49:47

so, what do you think that could be. I

49:49

don't think that's an option. I think

49:51

he has two options. He just like a

49:53

normal player, lets

49:55

the you know, chips fall with they may and

49:58

probably gets draft and gets drafted by the back angles

50:00

just like most players do. They just want to get

50:02

drafted as high as possible. He gets drafted

50:04

number one overall and he's a Cincinnati Bengal quarterback.

50:07

Then I think there's a scenario where he just says, I'm

50:10

not coming there, I refuse to play for the Bengals.

50:12

I don't think there's a scenario where he goes, listen, I

50:15

want you to sign resign aj Green,

50:18

I want you to sign a Mark Cooper, and

50:20

I want this guy to be the defensive coordinator. Like,

50:22

I don't think that's happening. I think

50:24

it's it's either it's A

50:27

or B so that

50:29

that's not possible. That doesn't happen.

50:31

Maybe it happens in the NBA,

50:33

But I don't see Joe Burrow doing that

50:37

question for the pod. What is the big deal about

50:39

being the first to break a story? Schefter

50:42

Glazier rap sheet, actually saw a rap sheet

50:44

the gym today, Woes shams. They

50:46

spend all this time getting a story when five minutes

50:48

later, every other media outlet has it, And

50:51

I don't think sports fans really care who breaks

50:53

it. I would agree the casual

50:55

sports fan doesn't care that much. Where

50:57

it does matter is when now you see

50:59

Woes, you think ESPN. When

51:01

you think Schefter, you think ESPN.

51:04

It's almost brand recognition. You're

51:06

paying them for brand recognition. When

51:08

Schefter breaks the story. It's like ESPN broke

51:10

the story, when Glazier breaks the story,

51:12

Fox broke the story. When

51:15

Sham who does itself for the athletic

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and stadium like that, I wouldn't even know what the stadium

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is some internet site that plays

51:22

shows, like what the hell's even going on? But

51:25

I think Sham's yeah,

51:27

so that there is value in that and

51:30

just being like Adam Schefter story breaker, like

51:32

that's his role. You have the number one

51:34

story breaker on your network. It's

51:36

just like a it'd

51:38

be no different than Jeff Bezos

51:41

acquiring Whole

51:43

Foods. Like having Schefter is a

51:45

huge part of the NFL's of ESPN's

51:48

NFL business. Anytime a story

51:50

breaks, they got him. When free agency hits,

51:52

they got him. When free agency hits

51:54

in basketball, they got Wosh and they

51:57

own that. That's what they want. They're so they

51:59

want to they want to monopolize your

52:04

attention. They want your attention to

52:06

be on their guy. And think ESPN

52:08

broke the story. ESPN broke the story. ESPN

52:11

broke the story. So that's that's really the value

52:13

because like you said, if Wednesday,

52:17

Tom Brady is gonna sign with the Tennessee Titans.

52:20

Chefter tweets that out thirty

52:23

minutes later. No one's talking about Chefter.

52:25

It's just Tom Brady's going to the Titans. That's

52:27

the story. I think Chefter did even tell you that.

52:30

But he's he's paid handsomely because

52:32

he and all these guys are, because

52:34

they have unique skills of knowing people and getting

52:36

stories, because the networks

52:40

value the brand recognition. I think

52:42

it's really as simple as that. Okay, I'm

52:44

gonna be on the ground floor, follow me on Instagram.

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I'm gonna be doing videos all over

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the place. Combine

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next couple of days. Somehow my voice is

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already leaving. That's what happens when you take a

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midnight flight and get here at ten am.

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You don't want to get a red Eye connector.

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You want a Red Eye straight shot so you can

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have been here super late tonight, so I'm just already

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