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a Rod Nick Bright Loaded

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today. Jmac if

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you live near the Wisconsin Dells, you're

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not feeling very good today.

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Who was that last night Jordan Loved? Or was that Zach

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Wilson.

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I'm gonna sarch I'm not good.

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Mac Jones in the pocket last night? Jordan

1:01

Love? Thirty two passer rating.

1:04

That's it, huh thirty two?

1:07

All right, let's have a grown up discussion.

1:09

Take the cheese hat out, take

1:12

the cheese hat off completely. It's time to

1:14

be an adult. A grown up. You pay the

1:16

mortgage, drive your kids to school.

1:18

You can't be a kid today. There are

1:20

several signs Jordan Love is

1:23

little more than a backup. First

1:25

of all, green Bay's head coach Matt Lafleur

1:28

warned us multiple times

1:30

in the offseason to temper our

1:33

enthusiasm. They didn't do that

1:35

with Herbert Burrow or Mahomes. They

1:37

didn't. Secondly, watch

1:40

how green Bay coaches him. They

1:42

don't trust him. It's hyper conservative.

1:45

He only had fifteen pass attempts through

1:47

three quarters, doubled that in

1:49

the fourth when he was trailing, but they'd rather

1:52

not throw third.

1:54

Analytics and data prove he is

1:57

awful in the first half. Can't

2:00

a good quarterback, forget great. Can't be a

2:02

good quarterback if you're always trailing

2:04

hard enough to play the position really

2:07

really hard to play it trailing. Jordan

2:09

Love can't play a trailing and win games

2:12

even on script. He's bad, okay,

2:16

So simply put, he cannot throw the

2:18

ball accurately down the field. Last night

2:20

three for eleven with three

2:23

interceptions just five

2:25

yards down the field. This

2:27

season, twenty yards down the field.

2:29

He has a thirty five passer rating, six for twenty

2:32

six. Can't throw it down the field accurately.

2:36

Listen, the chances of going from Far

2:38

to Rogers to a star quarterback were

2:41

zippo. Let's get out of

2:43

the star. He's not a Tier one can

2:45

he be? Derek Carr, Dak Kirk Cousins.

2:48

I'm fifty to fifty with a strong lean. He's

2:51

a backup. Aaron

2:53

Rodgers never had a three pick no touchdown

2:55

game. Jordan Love's already got one in counting.

2:58

Not good. Even more

3:00

concerning, this is really concerning,

3:03

is that Green Bay has an offensive

3:05

coach outside of Max

3:08

Crosby. That's a weaker defense,

3:11

and they had from September twenty eighth

3:13

to October ninth to prepare the

3:16

longest you can get in the NFL without

3:18

a buy. All

3:20

that time offensive coach, week

3:23

defense script,

3:25

forty percent of the crowd, Packer fans,

3:28

and a nothing burger. Even

3:31

more disturbing, this is the worst

3:33

part. It's

3:36

getting worse.

3:38

Now.

3:38

Everybody's got film, people

3:41

have tape. He's losing confidence

3:43

and they can see what he can't do. Throw

3:45

the ball down the field. Packer

3:48

fans will suggest injuries, draw

3:50

passes, inferior play calling.

3:54

That's what fans do with bad quarterbacks.

3:56

May I suggest Justin Herbert, who

3:58

is on his third offense coordinator

4:00

in what four years? First rookie

4:03

year had the thirty two ranked offensive

4:05

line, two receivers

4:07

who can never stay healthy, Mike Williams hurt

4:09

again, Keenan Allen, and he just keeps

4:11

breaking records for a young quarterback. You

4:14

got it or you don't. Burrow Mahomes,

4:18

you got it or you don't. I don't see it. CJ.

4:21

Stroud has a defensive coach, a

4:24

rookie offensive coordinator, a rookie play caller,

4:28

missing four offensive linemen, game

4:31

one viable. Everything

4:34

is set up to succeed here.

4:37

Offensive coach, stable organization.

4:40

C J.

4:40

Stroud, you think the Texans are stable? I

4:43

mean that's why I've had some sympathy for Justin Fields

4:45

upstairs coaching drafting Chicago.

4:48

Green Bay's got an offensive coach stable

4:52

September twenty eighth to October nine

4:54

outside of Crosby a week defense and

4:56

nothing in the first half. So on script,

4:59

it doesn't work. I understand

5:01

the great quarterbacks can do stuff

5:03

second half. Off script, I've eliminated that.

5:05

For Jordan Love, that's off the table. Can he

5:07

be Tier two? I don't

5:09

see it. He's a backup that I could be

5:11

wrong. Now, you can still win games.

5:14

Tim Tebow, who's not even an NFL

5:16

quarterback, one seven straight games, great defense,

5:20

great kicker, divine

5:22

intervention, whatever it was. You

5:24

can win games. But

5:27

this is the Packers, This is Star far

5:29

of Rogers. So he appears,

5:32

he appears to be a backup that

5:34

doesn't throw the ball effectively down the field.

5:36

And everybody now's got tape. It's getting

5:38

worse. This was one of those games. Be honest,

5:40

cheeseheads. You got your calendar

5:42

and circle this one. This is the one. You're like, oh, oh,

5:45

after we played Detroit, that'll be a tough one. Detroit's

5:47

good. But then we get all this time off and

5:49

face the rad You

5:52

circle that one. It's not like their

5:54

schedule has been brutal. Bears

5:56

defense, Raiders defense. You

5:58

didn't open up, he didn't open

6:00

up with the Niners, and then have to face Pittsburgh

6:03

and the no no, no, no, his Bears.

6:05

I mean, next you get bye week, get face Denver.

6:08

That's an atrocious defense. But

6:12

I mean Jay R. Alexander said after the game,

6:14

I mean a player said after the game, is we're

6:16

just gonna have to hold teams to no touchdowns. The

6:19

players know. My source

6:21

told me in the off season there's no

6:23

there's no special game manager.

6:25

Now that that term's kind of hard because everybody

6:28

manages the game. Rock Perties managing the

6:30

game. Brady at times managed the game. That's you

6:32

know, everybody manages. Even Mahomes

6:34

manages the game at some point. But

6:37

I'm just telling you the analytics, the

6:39

warnings, the first half data,

6:42

like, well, this guy dropped

6:44

a ball. Have you seen what Lamar Jackson's

6:47

dealing with? Guys are dropping touchdowns

6:49

multiple same game. You

6:51

see what Trevor Lawrence is dealing with. You got to get

6:53

over drops. Romeo Dobs should have caught it. You got

6:55

to get over drops. Lamar Jackson.

6:58

His receivers can't catch this year. They

7:01

can't catch first two games, Trevor

7:03

Lawrences couldn't catch. Well. Injuries,

7:06

everybody's hurts the NFL. It's week five, everybody's

7:08

hurt. Here's Matt Lafleur after.

7:11

We got to find something to get us, going

7:14

to jump start us. I

7:17

think, you know, just reflecting how

7:19

the game kind of laid out,

7:22

probably needed to stick with a run

7:24

a little bit more.

7:25

I'm sure there's some things that we'll look at and

7:28

we could do better.

7:29

And I think there's some things that I need

7:31

to do a better job in terms of what we're

7:33

asking him to do.

7:36

Not good. Fingers crossed,

7:39

Try to be positive, but that was

7:41

a circle game, extra time Raiders.

7:46

Half the crowd's yours offensive

7:49

coach as

7:51

bad all right. The

7:53

late great John Madden, the broadcaster, coach,

7:56

entrepreneur, used to tell Fox

7:58

executives, if the games sounds

8:01

big, it usually makes for a great

8:03

game. Not all the time, but

8:06

put those games when they sound big. Put

8:08

those games on TV. It's why I like college football

8:10

realignment. Washington State, UCLA

8:13

doesn't sound big. UCLA, Michigan does,

8:15

USC, Wisconsin does, Oregon,

8:18

Ohio State does? Those are big games.

8:20

Texas Oklahoma going to the SEC. Florida

8:23

Texas sounds big. Florida

8:25

Kentucky doesn't even sound big

8:28

in basketball? Right like sound

8:30

big? So you

8:32

know, Dallas San Francisco is a blowout, It

8:35

doesn't matter, people plan their day around it. Over

8:37

twenty six million people watched USC

8:40

Arizona Saturday night. Was great. Nobody planned

8:42

their day around it. Out East

8:45

So Dodgers, Diamondbacks, doesn't

8:48

sound big to me. It doesn't

8:50

you know? It sounds big to me. Braves

8:53

Kings of the South, best record in baseball,

8:55

and the Phillies in the World Series last year.

8:59

So this series started a few days ago.

9:02

Braves lose game on at home. They're

9:05

down four runs in Game

9:08

two. Okay, they scrap

9:10

their way back into it. They trail four to

9:12

three at home, bottom

9:14

of the eighth, trail one zero in the

9:16

series. Must win game in Austin Riley

9:18

with a man on steps up three

9:21

and two.

9:23

Here it comes Riley

9:26

in the air to the left field on.

9:29

The run, Mars Derek

9:31

does.

9:33

Austin Riley has

9:35

given the Braves the lead of the eighth.

9:39

While now we go to the

9:41

ninth. Phillies come up.

9:43

Bryce Harper's on base. Brave's

9:46

gotta win this game. They lead

9:49

the tying man on go

9:52

ahead run at the plate.

9:55

He deals with two to two Castianos in the air

9:57

to right center field. Harris is on the run.

10:00

Harris at the tracking league he

10:02

makes the Cats. Harper might

10:04

be doubled up. The throw gets

10:06

away.

10:13

That sounds big. Best team in baseball.

10:15

Braves headed to Philly

10:18

tied at one. Phillies

10:20

Bryce Harper World Series last

10:22

year that, as the late great

10:24

John Madden would say, that sounds

10:28

like a big game, that sounds like

10:30

a big series. And it's been wild

10:32

so far. All right, J Mack, I

10:35

know it comes across as I'm a little harsh

10:37

on Jordan Love, But when you

10:39

see CJ. Stroud, when you see Justin

10:41

Herbert mahomes Lamar,

10:44

when you see the guys in that tier one instantly

10:47

connect and c J. Stroud, we don't know

10:49

exactly what it is, but it's incredibly courage

10:52

encouraging for an unstable organization,

10:55

for missing o' lineman, first time

10:57

coordinator, play caller, defensive coach,

10:59

faith the Ravens in your debut and look

11:02

more than competent. We got a guy

11:04

that sat for three years, had

11:06

extra time. I mean that last night is a

11:09

wow.

11:10

Yeah.

11:11

I went to the Dodgers game last night with a buddy and his

11:13

kids, and obviously Dodgers

11:15

fall behind early. So we're watching the game on

11:17

our phone the Packers and

11:20

he, you know, my buddy's kid

11:22

needed Jordan Love to do something and we're just every

11:24

player, Oh my gosh, he can't throw the ball down

11:26

the field.

11:27

There's no accuracy.

11:28

He's not really processing in the pocket.

11:30

It dare not look good. Their scoring drive

11:32

for Green Bay was eight plays,

11:35

six of them running. They

11:37

opened the game, run, run, run. You're like, what are we

11:40

doing? It is nineteen eighty seven.

11:41

You like aj Dillon just bashing into the line.

11:43

Well, they warned us, you watch

11:45

away they coach him. We've said this about c J.

11:48

Stroud.

11:49

Houston's got no run game. Houston's

11:52

like, throw it fifty times. They do not

11:54

coach c J. Stroud conservatively. They're

11:57

watching him at practice. They're like, kid, throw it forty

11:59

five times. I mean they Green

12:01

Bay coaches Jordan

12:04

Love like they're fearful. I said this yesterday

12:06

in the podcast. If you watch

12:08

matt Lefluur on the sidelines, he looks like

12:11

I looked when my kids pulled out of the driveway

12:13

right after they got their license. Like

12:15

you're like, I'm trying to be optimistic

12:18

here, but I don't.

12:19

Yeah, I don't know what's.

12:20

Going to go on in the next ten minutes on the freeway.

12:23

It doesn't look good.

12:25

I don't want to be overly harsh, but like, remember

12:27

when Lafleur was a genius and he was thirteen and three

12:29

every year with Aaron Rodgers.

12:30

Remember that.

12:31

I don't know if you called him a genius, but everybody thought, oh,

12:33

this is one of these Shanahan McVay a buddies with

12:35

all those smart guys.

12:39

Is he no longer a genius?

12:40

Do we need to take that genius card away from la Floor?

12:42

Well? I think when Aaron was closer to his

12:44

prime genius as Aaron aged,

12:47

not his genius and with an inferior quarterback,

12:50

he's a coach, as is Bill Belichickny

12:52

how that works out?

12:53

Huh yeah yeah.

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13:02

Well, I thought it was not only a discouraging

13:05

performance by the Dallas Cowboys,

13:07

who have clearly shown the ability to

13:10

play one way this year, and that

13:12

is with a lead. Everybody's better with a

13:14

lead. Your pass rushers can pin their

13:16

ears back, your quarterback can

13:18

throw on play action pass. Everybody

13:21

plays better with the lead. Dak

13:23

this year has been atrocious, trailing

13:25

against Arizona and San Francisco.

13:28

Some of this is Dak was never a Tier

13:30

one guy. Regardless of what they think

13:32

in Texas, he's not. He's a tier

13:34

two guy, maybe the top of the tier

13:36

two when you surround him with lots of good

13:38

players. But it's funny to watch brock

13:40

Perty go ten to zero and just break

13:43

all these records and you won't embrace him.

13:45

Dak had a great O line, a great run

13:47

game, he had receivers, he had an offensive

13:49

coach, he had the defense, and he got

13:52

MVP votes in his first season. Since

13:54

then has he ever been that good. So this

13:56

year he's off to a really bad start. If you look at him

13:59

trailing this year, passer rating sixty

14:01

three. His passer rating when leading

14:03

is one zero three point six. Now, it is harder

14:06

to play quarterback when you're trailing. But

14:08

the delusion in Dallas is just amazing.

14:10

Oh it's this fault, Oh it's this, or

14:13

it's that, or how about this. Once

14:15

you pay Dak, you have to scale

14:17

back on weapons. And he's a game manager

14:20

more than he is a guy that will carry the franchise.

14:22

But Jerry Jones saying this morning, super

14:25

Bowls, you get him through Dak.

14:28

Dak Prescott is a quarterback that

14:30

can get us to the Super Bowl. That's

14:32

the way that's going to be. We have other

14:35

quarterbacks on Matt roster and

14:37

players that certainly if something

14:40

should happen to Dak, but I want

14:42

to be real clear, Dak's very

14:44

capable of making this team be where we want

14:46

it to go.

14:47

So Dak's never been great in my opinion,

14:49

He's been very good when he wasn't

14:51

paid. But once you pay a running

14:53

back big money, you got to scale back on the

14:55

weapons. Patrick Mahomes right now, it's

14:57

a very mediocre receiving corps.

15:00

You're paying Patrick big money, Josh

15:03

Allen, Stefon Diggs, and a bunch of average

15:05

guys. Why Because you're paying Josh

15:08

Allen big money. That's the way

15:10

the game works. Cincinnati

15:12

probably can't resign t Higgins,

15:15

they can't extend him. Jamar Chase is your

15:17

guy, then you got to go draft him. Because

15:19

Joe Burrow got paid, keenan

15:21

Allen watch out,

15:24

Justin Herbert got paid, Mike Williams

15:27

hurt. They went and drafted another first

15:29

round wide receiver for a reason. You got

15:31

to scale back. That's why Dak had five game

15:33

winning drives his rookie season. He had all

15:35

that help. Then he got paid. He

15:38

has five in the last five seasons total,

15:41

because he's got to do more of the lifting, and that's

15:43

not who he is. It's real simple.

15:45

The minute you give the quarterback the bag, you

15:48

can load up that roster before then the minute

15:50

you get in the bag, you got to scale back

15:52

somewhere. And you can't pay three great receivers.

15:56

The Rams would love to go out and get another receiver,

15:58

but they pay Stafford a lot. Cooper Cup

16:00

makes a lot, and now Tyler hickbe the tight end make

16:02

something and the right tackle make something. So

16:04

they need Pooka Nakoupa, the rookie

16:07

a freebie. You got to hit home runs

16:09

in the draft, third, fourth, fifth round. But

16:11

Steven Jones, son of Jerry,

16:14

here's what he had to say.

16:16

I think he's grasping it for sure. It's

16:18

a work in progress. There were changes,

16:20

and you don't just get your

16:23

hands around something what you're trying to accomplish.

16:26

You know, in the first part of the season, we have to build,

16:28

We have to learn from

16:31

tough experiences like

16:33

we went through last night. But I think this group

16:35

will only get better.

16:37

I suggested Dalton Schultz

16:39

going to the Texans would hurt Ferguson

16:43

the tight end's got one hundred and

16:45

seventy five yards through five games. I suggested

16:47

Noahmari Cooper could be trouble a

16:50

few years ago. Brandon Cooks wasn't

16:52

the answer. What's Brandon Cooks done? Ceede

16:56

Lamb is a lower end one. Tony

16:59

Pollard's good, not special. That's

17:03

meaning Dak is

17:05

going to trail and it's going to have to do the

17:07

caring. This stuff is not complicated.

17:10

Go look at mahomes receiving core right now.

17:13

Go look at Josh Allen's beyond Stefan

17:15

Diggs. Go look at

17:17

it. Go look at what a highly

17:20

paid quarterback, Cooper Cup gets

17:22

hurt. The Rams have to pray

17:24

a rookie receiver carries them.

17:27

They can't pay for a second guy. So

17:29

that's where the Cowboys are. The delusion in Dallas

17:32

is crazy, and Jerry's just doubling

17:34

down on it. Is he watching the same

17:36

games I am? Because I just don't

17:38

get it and I don't think it's that complicated.

17:40

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weekdays and nooneaster not a Empacific.

17:45

Josh McDaniels, Raiders coach, took

17:47

a lot of heat last night. Fourth and one

17:50

did not go for it, elected to kick a field goal

17:53

and didn't make it. So I would

17:55

have gone for it. Analytics say you should have gone

17:57

for it. If you look at the field position, just

17:59

go for it. Jimmy Garoppolo not

18:01

the best quarterback in the league. But again I

18:05

would have gone for it. So it told

18:07

me two things. Josh McDaniels

18:09

didn't go for it told me two things. He didn't

18:11

trust Jimmy g and he didn't fear Jordan

18:13

Love. His takeaway if we missed the field

18:16

goal, I don't think Jordan Love can go. You

18:18

know, less than two minutes can

18:21

march down the field sixty five yards for a touchdown.

18:23

Packers had one scoring drive, eight plays,

18:25

six runs. He's not wrong.

18:27

But the Raiders offense is what it is. It's

18:29

twenty ninth in scoring twenty fifteen

18:32

yards per play. That's with some nice players

18:34

offensively under twenty points in

18:36

every game. Only NFL team

18:38

to say that. So the Raiders and the

18:41

Packers both need quarterbacks. So I put

18:43

a list this morning. We're five weeks through it. Who

18:45

needs the draft a quarterback? Now? Not all

18:47

of these are on the same timeline.

18:50

For instance, if I was Seattle, I would draft

18:52

a quarterback. Not in the first round necessarily

18:55

they don't have a lot of boxes to check, but I think

18:57

second, third, fourth round. I go out, roll

18:59

the dice. Know Smith's contract, you can get

19:01

out of it whenever you want, pretty easily. He's

19:04

good, but he's getting older. I don't think he's a

19:06

guy that's ever gonna hold up a Lombardi Trophy.

19:08

So I don't think it's urgent for Seattle, but I

19:11

would be surprised Drew Lock's not the future. Let's

19:13

move on. So I think in the AFC,

19:16

New England needs the draft a quarterback. Figure

19:18

out Mac Jones later, but get an athlete

19:20

in the room. Get somebody up there that's

19:22

got some stature and respect from teammates

19:25

and the Raiders with Garoppolo, Jimmy's hurt

19:27

too often. In the NFC, Green

19:29

Bay, Atlanta, Washington, Minnesota, Chicago,

19:31

Yeah, I'd probably do it if you're Chicago, Tampa.

19:34

Great story right now for Baker, he's not the

19:36

future. Giants, Yes, the New York

19:38

Giants and Seattle, I think they

19:40

all needed draft quarterbacks. Now I

19:43

would say this, you can't have

19:45

enough quarterbacks. Belichick, even when Brady

19:47

was in his prime, was drafting a quarterback every other

19:49

year. This came out yesterday.

19:53

Non quarterbacks. How

19:56

much do they help the spread? If you're betting a

19:58

game. Travis Kels, he's the number one

20:00

player in the NFL. He's

20:04

worth one point eight three points.

20:08

Tyreek Hill's worth one point seventy

20:10

five. Justin Jefferson one point sixty seven.

20:12

What does that mean? It's all about the quarterback.

20:14

You can't draft enough quarterbacks unless

20:17

you have Mahomes Herbert. You just

20:19

can't draft enough quarterbacks. And so

20:22

now, if there are three other teams that I think

20:24

should consider it but won't. The

20:26

Steelers they won't. I

20:28

don't see it with Kenny Pickett, but he's a local

20:30

kid. They won't. Titans, Will

20:33

Levis, I mean they got Tannehill. They're

20:35

struggling. Will Levis isn't ready

20:37

as a second rounder. C. J. Stroud Is probably

20:39

tells you Will Levis isn't the guy. I don't

20:42

think they will. And the Jets,

20:44

Zach Wilson's not the future and Aaron's going

20:46

to be forty off an achilles surgery. I would

20:48

draft a quarterback, I doubt they do so,

20:51

but Josh McDaniels was telling

20:54

you by not going for it was basically

20:57

I may not trust my guys, but

20:59

I don't. I don't fear Jordan

21:01

Love. He not marching down the field on us, and

21:03

what happened he got picked. So that's

21:05

kind of where we're at in the NFL right now. Ten

21:08

teams. I think minimum should

21:10

draft a quarterback. See Adlai do it later

21:12

rounds. You know, Pittsburgh, I may do it six

21:14

round. I don't think they will

21:17

nick right top of next hour in the Hurt hierarchy.

21:19

Speaking of lists and rankings, So

21:21

of the teams I predicted to be in the playoffs

21:24

in the AFC, Dolphins, Bengals, Jags,

21:26

Chiefs, Bills, Chargers, Steelers, NFC,

21:29

Eagles, Lions, Falcons, Niners, Seahawks,

21:31

Cowboys, Saints, all of them

21:33

pretty viable except Cincinnati.

21:36

But I will tell you, and I have a strong

21:38

feeling about this for whatever reasons

21:41

with Cincinnati, and I think I know the reasons.

21:43

They're always bad early. I

21:45

think it's two surgeries to Joe Burrow and a

21:48

calf injury. So this season they

21:50

start two and three. Last

21:52

season they started two and three

21:54

the Super Bowl season, they only started three

21:56

and two, became five and four, and

21:58

were seven and six before they went off to

22:00

a run. The season before that,

22:02

they were one, two and one. Because

22:05

of surgeries and calf injuries,

22:07

Burrow has needed these, they're

22:09

just not very good. In fact, Burrow in

22:12

his career in September and October

22:14

is below five hundred. He's twelve,

22:16

fifteen and one, but in November,

22:19

December, January's fourteen and five

22:21

and so I said this last

22:24

week, Joe Burrow's healthy. I have

22:26

a feeling if we

22:28

see it in Arizona, the Bengals get healthy.

22:30

My take is on

22:33

the road no t Higgins against

22:36

a feisty Arizona team, especially at

22:38

home, and it wasn't particularly close. So

22:41

I think one of the bets of the week is Cincinnati

22:43

at home minus two and a half against Seattle.

22:45

I think, and this is what Cincinnati

22:47

does. It takes them through September

22:50

and October. Generally, star quarterbacks

22:52

with good offensive coaches pop early,

22:55

but all these surgeries, the calf injuries.

22:57

When I watched Cincinnati Sunday, I

22:59

saw a really, really good

23:01

football team. And when this

23:03

play right now, I'm showing that's Burrow with the

23:05

ability to throw the ball down the field. Again,

23:08

what could Cincinnati not do in the first three or four

23:10

weeks. Couldn't throw the ball down the field? I

23:12

mean literally last in the league. Now they

23:14

can throw it down the field. It opens up the

23:16

offense. Watch Cincinnati catch

23:18

fire. They even sneak into

23:21

the hurd hierarchy with a losing record. Happens

23:23

infrequently, But what I watched

23:25

Sunday was Okay, Cincinnati's

23:27

back. I mean, if if somebody does something

23:29

over and over, it becomes a trend.

23:32

New England was never at their best.

23:34

Edelman comes on the show yesterday. Julian

23:36

Edelman talks about how Bill would experiment.

23:39

Every team needs an identity every year.

23:41

The Patriots had a different identity. It

23:43

takes about six weeks to find your identity.

23:45

Bill would experiment. Play people, what

23:47

position. Cincinnati's like that very

23:50

good team, like the coach, star quarterback,

23:52

good weapons, play defense. They're

23:54

trying to find their identity. Early

23:57

in the season, they couldn't throw deep. They weren't

23:59

a threat. Coordinators can

24:01

see it. Now they're back to being Cincinnati.

24:03

The Cincinnati we know and love is an

24:05

over the top team that will punish you. And

24:08

it's the only team Kansas City fears. To

24:10

me, it's the only team the Chiefs fear

24:13

is Joe Burrow, Homer

24:15

Away, his accuracy, his

24:19

Joe cool persona, not

24:22

intimidated. I think Cincinnati's

24:24

on their way. Huh, yes, I

24:26

do.

24:27

Can I challenge you a little bit?

24:28

You certainly can.

24:29

So when the Seattle Seahawks went to the Giants

24:31

on Monday Night football, and I know it's Danny

24:33

Dimes and a joke of an offense, but their

24:35

cornerbacks, the young kid Witherspoon from Illinois

24:38

was awesome.

24:39

You love Woolan, the kid.

24:40

It was a rookie last year.

24:41

Yeah, so they have corners to match

24:44

up with Chase Arizona. Had nobody Arizona's

24:46

been torched by number one receivers. I

24:49

don't know that this is a great matchup

24:51

for the Bengals offense. And what does that line two and a half

24:53

tell you? They're we're

24:56

not giving you the three because it's going to be you

24:59

know, all Seattle money when it's on three

25:01

and a half, like forty nine Ers Cowboys, was that's the

25:03

bat signal? Hey, it's the favorite when

25:05

it's under three.

25:06

I think it's the dog.

25:08

I would keep an eye on Seattle. We're also

25:10

coming off the buy. Well with that, what's

25:12

the buy worth to you?

25:15

With offensive coaches, I give

25:18

it more credibility. It's extra

25:20

time to draw up plays. I

25:22

don't think Mike Tomlin with extra

25:24

time. He's a motivator. In fact, I think Mike Tomlin

25:27

and Pete Carroll are better as underdogs. Where

25:30

have they been great at Detroit?

25:32

Nobody gives them a shot Monday night football in New

25:34

York. But the one thing you can't

25:36

one thing we know about betting and football

25:39

is a rule. It's all about value. I

25:41

mean you and I know that. That's all we're looking for all week

25:43

is value. The margins in the NFL are

25:45

small. Where can I get value? The

25:48

market until this

25:50

week hasn't caught up to Oh Joe

25:52

Burrows back to being the second best quarterback in the league.

25:55

Okay, so that to me, Cincinnati after

25:58

they beat Seattle, the markets

26:00

and this game would be Cincinnati minus

26:03

four Burrow against Jeno Smith Gino Smith

26:05

at home. But I don't think the market. See,

26:08

I think Seattle's really good. But I'm saying

26:10

Seattle now goes on the road. Comes back,

26:12

goes on the road again. They had to go to road on

26:14

Detroit. It's another road trip for Seattle,

26:17

and I think Cincinnati, I think the market doesn't

26:19

quite see it yet. It's

26:21

like Jamar Chase Joe Burrow.

26:24

Now they're healthy, they have the pass

26:26

rush Burrow against Geno Smith,

26:28

like that field goal doesn't scare me.

26:30

So if you remember, I think it was this week you

26:32

said I'm throwing out week one. Week one's irrelevant.

26:34

Toss it out the window, karate. So let's toss that

26:37

out on Seattle. Forget about what happened in Week one. They

26:39

went to Detroit and they took down the Lions,

26:41

who looked like the third best team in the NFC on

26:43

the road.

26:44

I like Seattle, remember you

26:46

you often say this. I like Buffalo. I didn't

26:48

like him against Jackson. It's a week

26:50

two week league. So I'm telling you in this game,

26:53

I don't think Seattle has any value. We know

26:55

what they are. Cincinnati is one of the last

26:57

teams I think in the league that's really good. But

27:00

he will acknowledge it. Yet they made the

27:02

last team in the league that's really good.

27:04

The betters won't acknowledge it because we haven't

27:06

seen enough of it. What I watched in Arizona

27:09

was okay, Burl's back to being the second best

27:11

quarterback in the league.

27:12

But was it against Arizona, which is like,

27:14

eh, you know.

27:16

And they gave and they were tough on San Francisco.

27:19

Yeah, that thing was standing here is

27:21

laughing?

27:22

Wrong?

27:22

Am I wrong on that? Like? What you watch that game?

27:24

It's like, okay, what do we say all last year

27:27

mahomes Burrow? Well, what changed?

27:29

It?

27:29

A calf injury, It's healed. He's back

27:31

to be in the second best quarterback in the league.

27:33

Okay.

27:33

I have a feeling will be head to head, which

27:35

is not the worst thing.

27:37

Maybe I could convince you by oh no,

27:39

no, no, no, no no.

27:40

I'm on Cincinnati.

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27:59

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28:17

the top ten NFL teams according

28:19

to College.

28:20

Number ten Cincinnati Bengals.

28:22

I don't care what their record is. They were two and

28:24

three last year and won ten of the final

28:26

eleven games. Why because Joe Burrow

28:28

got healthy Arizona

28:32

three takeaways, three sacks. Burrow

28:34

completed seventy eight percent of his throws

28:36

without t Higgins. They're back.

28:39

Listen, this team the last four years

28:41

has struggled in September and early October.

28:44

Why because Joe Burrow has been hurt

28:46

and then he gets healthy and they end up in Super

28:48

Bowls and winning ten of eleven games.

28:51

You don't want to face Cincinnati. Seattle's

28:53

gonna find out this weekend travel into the

28:55

Midwest. The Bengals are officially

28:57

out of their early turbulence, which

28:59

they on an annual basis. Number

29:01

nine the Chargers. I don't love the coach.

29:04

I'll say this though. Between Herbert and

29:06

their weapons, they're one of two teams to score

29:08

twenty four plus points in every game they had. The

29:10

Miami Dolphins beat again.

29:13

Some questionable coaching stuff. They give up too

29:15

many big plays. That's why I have them at nine,

29:17

But over the last three games they have sixteen

29:19

sacks between Bosa and Khalil Mack.

29:22

They do things I like. They protect their quarterback

29:24

and they go get yours, and they have a start at the most

29:26

important position. I'll put the Chargers at nine,

29:29

number eight Detroit. You may feel

29:31

it's a little low. I'll get to that in a second. Listen.

29:33

They're twelve and three over their last fifteen

29:35

games, a four and one

29:38

record, their best start in like

29:40

twelve years. There's a lot to like about

29:42

them. By the way, Jared Goff, somebody

29:44

who I have defended for years,

29:47

leads the NFL in big pass

29:49

plays this year with twenty three. I have

29:51

them in eight, number seven,

29:53

one spot behind Seattle that beat

29:56

them. Seattle runs the ball more

29:58

effectively back to back game with one

30:00

hundred plus rushing yards.

30:02

Seattle gives the ball away Gino

30:05

fewer mistakes, only one giveaway

30:07

on the NFL season for Seattle,

30:10

and Seattle's offense tony nine

30:12

a game is right there with Detroit. They take

30:14

care of the ball a little better than Detroit. They beat

30:16

Detroit, and they have now a two

30:18

man rushing attack, which is scary Gino.

30:22

Whether or not he hoists a trophy, completing

30:25

sixty eight percent of his throws, he doesn't make a lot

30:27

of big mistakes, and Pete Carroll loved

30:29

that. Seattle at seven, number

30:31

six, Buffalo, I think they're out of the Super

30:34

Bowl hunt. With Milano and Tredavias

30:36

white out, They're not the same defense. Those

30:38

are their two great defensive players,

30:40

their best corner of their best linebacker. Milano

30:42

is a stud top five linebacker in the sport.

30:44

But they still sack the quarterback, they

30:47

still take the ball away, and they have

30:49

Josh Allen. They're gonna win a lot of

30:51

games. At the trading deadline,

30:53

can they go make a move for a top linebacker

30:56

or a corner. Quite possibly a very

30:58

strong front office, but those in hurt.

31:00

I have Buffalo at six, number

31:02

five. Jacksonville beat him neutral

31:04

field. I'll give the Jags number five. Here's

31:07

the thing about him. Offense

31:09

top ten would be higher except

31:11

for all the drops in the first three weeks.

31:14

Their defense eleven takeaways,

31:16

second most in the NFL. Again,

31:19

like Cincinnati, early season

31:21

turbulence due to receivers not catching

31:23

the ball. If you watch this game,

31:26

man Trevor Lawrence at times put

31:28

on a show four hundred and seventy

31:30

four yards against Buffalo. I

31:33

think Jacksonville is gonna now start racing

31:35

and peeling off w's. I have them at five,

31:37

number four Miami. Now my final

31:40

four teams. I use the feeler super Bowl

31:42

level teams. They have the number one offense,

31:45

the three fastest players, three games

31:47

with over five hundred yards. The rest of the NFL

31:49

has zero combined. Tyreek Hill just

31:53

one of many guys who you can't catch. I

31:55

think they're clever. I think they're a little ahead of the league

31:58

offensively. I do worry about their defense.

32:01

I do think it will get better Jayalen Ramsey

32:03

returns. I think there's some limitations to what it

32:05

is. But now I look at Buffalo's defense without

32:07

their best cornering linebacker, and now there's

32:09

limitations on what Buffalo can do. I have

32:11

Miami at four, number three Philadelphia

32:15

listen, four straight games with four

32:17

hundred plus yards. I still think they're trying to find

32:19

an identity. And Jalen Hurts

32:21

is four picks last four games,

32:24

not quite right. Love him,

32:27

franchise guy, but it still

32:29

feels like they're trying to find their identity.

32:31

Rams was a great example. They completely

32:33

physically dominated it, but couldn't

32:36

put them away until the midway

32:38

through the fourth when they were clearly the superior

32:40

team. Aj Brown, though, has

32:42

caught fire three straight games one

32:45

hundred and fifty plus yards. Philadelphia at

32:47

two, number two, all right, four and

32:49

oh Kansas City since Travis and Chris

32:51

Jones returned. I'm gonna go with the

32:53

Chiefs, who are four and one overall. It's

32:56

the best third down offense in the sport.

32:58

That's Andy Reid and Mahomes. I think

33:00

it's the most talented defense in terms

33:02

of speed and expense,

33:04

you know. I mean, it's inexpensive,

33:07

fast, and really good. We've

33:10

seen Mahomes with great offensive support.

33:13

I don't think we've seen a defense that good.

33:15

Two of their next three games are against the Broncos,

33:18

so they're gonna start pulling away from their division.

33:20

Chargers play Dallas off an ugly loss.

33:23

Keep your eye on Dallas this week should be pretty

33:25

good. I have Kansas City at two, number

33:27

one. I mean, San Francisco just looks different

33:30

than everybody in football.

33:31

Now.

33:31

Kansas City beat him last year in the regular season,

33:33

and they were still good last year, but they

33:35

lead the NFL and turnover differential. They

33:37

don't beat you, they punish you. They don't beat you,

33:39

they humiliate you. And they've got a chip

33:42

on their shoulder from last year. I think they

33:44

thought they were better than Philadelphia and Brock Purtty

33:46

got hurt. I don't know they've never

33:48

lost a game with Christian McCaffrey in the starting lineup,

33:50

undefeated. I don't know how good

33:52

Brock pretty is. He's good. I don't know

33:55

if he's very good. I don't know if he's excellent.

33:57

I just think he's good. And there's lots of

33:59

les C J. Stroud to me,

34:02

he looks good. Is he very good? I

34:04

gotta watch. I got a lot of years with

34:06

Mahomes Burrow, Alan Lamar, I

34:08

got years of context. There is

34:11

I don't with brock Perty. He's good.

34:15

I don't even know if he's very good. But

34:17

there it is, the herd hierarchy. I know you're

34:20

going crazy on Cincinnati, folks. The

34:22

market is going to adjust after they

34:24

beat Seattle this week. The market's going to

34:26

go okay. So right now I have Seattle

34:29

ahead of them, but Cincinnati,

34:32

this is what they do. They're

34:34

ugly in September and early October

34:37

last year, they went on to win ten of eleven the

34:39

year after they won the Super Bowl.

34:41

This is what they do with the healthy Joe Burrow,

34:44

who's the second best quarterback. We've all

34:46

talked about this to Mahomes in the world.

34:49

That was all understood. Then Burrow gets hurt

34:51

and we start talking Lawrence and we Jalen

34:53

hurts. Hey, we talk Josh no, no, no,

34:55

no. At the end of last year, Mahomes

34:58

won Burrow two. I mean Incinnati

35:00

and Burrows the only team Kansas City looks

35:02

at and gets a little uncomfortable.

35:05

What was Dallas last week?

35:06

Colin?

35:07

I have no idea what you're talking about. Got it now,

35:09

Hey, listen, I've got new information on

35:12

Dallas. They cannot play from behind. They

35:14

can win one way. Cincinnati can play

35:16

from behind. Most of the teams in this

35:19

Detroit can play from behind, Chargers have played

35:21

from behind. Dallas cannot play from behind.

35:24

Let me look at this roster. Every single

35:26

team here, Seattle, maybe not as much.

35:28

Every single team here I think can play very

35:30

well from behind, mostly because

35:32

of their quarterbacks. Dallas cannot. I

35:35

mean it's just dink and dunk.

35:37

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35:57

I am watching the late John

36:00

mad and you Stowa is saying, if

36:02

it sounds like a big game, put it on TV.

36:05

We said this. I said this in the middle

36:07

of the season. I know, I'm a baseball casual. I said,

36:09

keep your eye on Philadelphia. They hit

36:11

for power. This is a team

36:14

with playoff experience, Atlanta,

36:16

Philadelphia, this could be one for the ages.

36:19

So kind of a takeaway to me,

36:21

these feel like loaded teams, experienced

36:24

teams. I don't know who.

36:25

I like.

36:25

Philadelphia. By the way, it's one of the craziest crowds.

36:29

I mean, those those Philly home games are nuts. What

36:31

do you make of it? Atlanta?

36:34

A dominant team scuffing a

36:36

little bit here?

36:37

Yeah? What's up? Colin? What's up? Jason? How you doing?

36:39

You know, the thing that you got to

36:41

look at is you play one hundred and ninety two

36:43

games if you're the Braves, they haven't played a competitive

36:45

game probably since June.

36:46

They've been that dominant.

36:48

But now you take an entire

36:50

week off after playing one ninety two and

36:54

they were sleepwalking game one. They were sleepwalking

36:56

halfway through that game, and somewhere they woke

36:58

up.

36:59

And that's what really has to be careful.

37:01

They may have led them back into the series because

37:03

you have to reset when you lose out your mojo

37:06

for a whole week sitting at home.

37:07

So in football and basketball, buys

37:10

and time off tend to help, but baseball

37:13

it's different. You want to get in the cage. Take

37:16

yourself, for example, four or five

37:18

days off, I'm gonna go to Miami.

37:20

Okay, you're twidling your thumbs. I want to get back in the cage.

37:23

Do you think I think baseball now Ken

37:25

Rosenthal had an article on this is

37:27

this the way to do it? But I do think you should

37:31

better team should benefit? Right,

37:33

Like, what do you do? The fact that wild

37:35

card teams may have an advantage not

37:37

having time off.

37:38

One hundred percent, And look, a week feels

37:40

more like two months in baseball. Baseball is an everyday

37:43

game. You play six seven days a week. You take

37:45

a week off, you have to go find your swing.

37:47

You have to go find your release point. Golf and

37:49

simulate a game means nothing. Okay,

37:52

that's why you need baseball people in the room. It's

37:54

not like playing October baseball. So go from a

37:56

simulator game with nobody in the building to playing

37:59

in that environment in Philly, which maybe the

38:01

best environment baseball.

38:02

Now here's what I will tell you, Colin. Not

38:05

all weeks are created equal.

38:07

You take a veteran team like

38:09

Jeter, Big Poppy, me, we're old, we

38:11

need that time off.

38:12

We can deal with it.

38:13

Your young team like Baltimore, it's

38:15

a week is like ten months because

38:18

the phone starts ringing. It's like having a field go and

38:21

having a timeout and icing them or at

38:23

the free throw line.

38:24

Too much time for a team like Baltimore. And you've seen

38:26

that inexperience.

38:28

So the Dodgers, listen,

38:31

it was interesting they moved off some pieces.

38:34

Kershaw gets a one year deal. He's getting

38:36

older. I felt like all year. It's

38:38

not that they scaled back, but it feels like they're

38:40

setting up their bank account for Otani. Right,

38:43

And so I look at the Dodgers and I think this

38:46

kind of felt inevitable. You

38:48

know, Arizona got

38:50

the pitching, Dodgers didn't hit. I

38:52

don't look at it as a failed season. It's

38:54

not over yet. But couldn't

38:56

you I mean, you see a lot of Dodger games. Couldn't

38:58

you kind of predict that Atlanta's hot Philadelphia

39:01

World Series experience. There are times,

39:04

even in your career, you kind of feel

39:06

like we don't quite have the pieces

39:09

for a playoff run.

39:10

Yeah, and look, the Dodgers have been the class of baseball

39:12

for the last ten years. If this is their year

39:15

to reset and they still win almost one

39:17

hundred games, they still make it to the playoffs.

39:19

The Dodgers are not going anywhere, and look,

39:21

they've had some tremendous injuries. Now, you

39:23

can't give up nine runs in the first inning in

39:25

game one and two, six and three.

39:27

This is not gonna work.

39:28

The other thing is you can't walk sixteen batters

39:30

for the Rangers and think you're gonna win when

39:33

the Rangers don't need any help. They're already the best

39:35

offense in baseball. Sixteen walks in two

39:37

games doesn't work. But listen,

39:39

I think Arizona now believes that

39:42

they're as good as a Dodger, if not better. And

39:44

you can make an argument that Arizona

39:46

may be the hottest team, and you don't need

39:48

to be the best team. You need to be the healthiest and the

39:50

hottest, and right now Arizona looks like they are.

39:52

So it was an interesting year in the American

39:55

League where it wasn't the Yankees and the Red Sox

39:57

that's sort of been embedded the last twenty years in

39:59

the sport. The hot old league used to just be the Yankees

40:01

and the Red Sox bidding for guys. You know that very

40:03

very well. Now here come the Rays,

40:05

who always about every third or fourth year they

40:07

must scout very well. The Orioles get all

40:10

those draft picks they hit on several. I

40:13

mean, it was a different year in the America Here

40:15

the Twins now are viable, you

40:17

know, are they pretenders? Of all these new

40:19

teams? Is there one year like I

40:21

mean, Baltimore was the talk of baseball

40:23

for about three months. We saw Kansas

40:26

City though with Ned Yost, they had a great year

40:28

or two, then they disappear. Do you buy

40:30

any of these new teams?

40:32

Now, the Twins, the Orioles, what do you buy?

40:35

Well, I'm buying that.

40:36

I don't believe the Astros are going to go home until

40:38

they're actually beat and the coffin and like

40:40

literally put in the funeral.

40:41

They're that good.

40:42

And they're they experienced team

40:45

right when you think about and they have a dynasty.

40:47

They're in the middle of it through all the controversy.

40:49

They have an owner in Jim Crane that

40:51

played college baseball that he is a little

40:53

bit like Jerry Jones, where he

40:56

is the owner and also the GM. He's

40:58

the smartest guy in the organization. They

41:00

run a wonderful business and they run a wonderful

41:02

baseball operation. The Twins

41:04

is a team to watch, and I'll tell you why. They have

41:06

two aces in Lopez and Sunny

41:08

Gray that will pitch today.

41:10

And they have two world class guys.

41:12

On the left side of the infield, both of them

41:14

number one picks divided by five years.

41:16

Correa and Royce Lewis two

41:19

absolute studs. And Korea

41:21

is a prime time player.

41:23

Yeah, Houston guy, and.

41:24

When he's healthy, he's top five best

41:26

talents in the world.

41:28

Okay, so when you come

41:30

on, we have to ask you a Yankee question. The

41:33

Yankees are like the Cowboys, a

41:35

legendary brand. I always

41:37

feel like as a guy that they're

41:39

three thousand miles away, it feels like it's

41:41

been the same guy's running it, Brian Cashman,

41:44

who is a very likable guy. But

41:46

there are those that say it's like Belichick in

41:48

New England, Jerry Jones with the Cowboys, too

41:50

much power. We need a new set of

41:52

eyes and ears. When you look

41:54

at the Yankees, you know, it's hard

41:56

to manage. I mean it is that batting

41:59

cage has twenty six people around it.

42:01

It's it's not the same way in San Diego.

42:03

It's just not you've went around it. Little

42:05

things become big things. Is it time

42:08

to new eyes, new

42:11

perspective, new culture. What do you

42:13

make of where the Yankees are at today?

42:16

Well, it's it's there, you

42:19

know, back themselves into a corner. And

42:21

they did this when Stanton came on board, because

42:24

it was nine years at you know, close

42:26

to three hundred million dollars, the

42:28

exact same player as Judges, just

42:31

not as healthy.

42:31

And then they.

42:32

Tripled up and put in Gallo. Look,

42:34

I think here's what I think. I think it's hard to win

42:36

in Major League Baseball. There's no question the

42:39

Red Sox in the last sixteen years have four championships.

42:41

Though Astros keep going back and forth,

42:43

the Dodgers are consistent. You're gonna have some years

42:46

off in this. But here's Colin what I would say, how

42:48

Steinberner A plus. He spent

42:51

all the resources he keeps investing

42:53

into that into that roster. Aaron

42:55

Bone is helpless. I think he's done a

42:57

really nice job with what he's

42:59

hand. Here's what

43:01

I think is. I think

43:04

the fan base has lost complete faith in

43:06

the architecture of this team.

43:08

And it's not just missing, but it's by how

43:11

far they miss.

43:12

And I just think that unto the look

43:14

gen Michael's the minute he's gone is

43:17

gone downhill. GM Michael was the real genius

43:19

of the four championships. He was very helpful

43:21

in nine. He hasn't been around

43:23

and it's just gone a one way ticket

43:26

the other way. And until they bring in baseball

43:28

people into that room and less analytics,

43:30

I think moneyball today is

43:33

losing ball because

43:37

you got to have baseball people that

43:39

know how to play baseball. I mean, when

43:42

was the last time you saw a Yankee team

43:45

that's always been left hand.

43:46

Dominant with nine righties against

43:48

a arriety.

43:48

I've never seen that. Like stick

43:50

Michael's always wanted lefty switch

43:53

hitters, Pasada, Bernie Williams,

43:55

Johnny Damon, Derek Jeter, left

43:57

right, athletic speed, defense,

44:00

pitching Bupen.

44:02

You have none of that.

44:04

Clayton Kershaw got It was a

44:06

rough outing, one of probably maybe you know

44:08

he always struggled in the seventh, but he got box

44:10

here in the first. You know, there

44:12

were some comparisons early to Kofax. He

44:16

still on any given day in the regular

44:18

season can go seven innings and be

44:20

masterful. What is his legacy

44:22

to you?

44:23

I think you're going to put Clayon Kershaw as one

44:25

of the top, you know, three

44:27

best pitchers of our generation. I mean

44:29

he is cemented of our generation, and

44:32

it's because the longevity. He got

44:34

the championship in twenty twenty, He's

44:36

got the cy youngs. He's done it with one

44:38

team, and he's done it in one of the biggest

44:41

markets on the plane. A lot of pressure, got a

44:43

lot of pressure, and here's a young man

44:45

who does a lot of the community, has never

44:47

got himself in trouble. He's the gold

44:49

standard for pitchers and

44:52

a game like Game One is going to really do nothing

44:54

to his legacy. The Dodgers should

44:56

not be depending on Kershaw to win

44:58

a championship this year. He's an additive,

45:01

but he's no longer the Kersha that needs to

45:03

be the number one guy. He can be the three

45:05

of the four and go from there. But he's got a

45:07

one year deal. He's not that guy anymore.

45:09

By the way, if I had to guess, if I said

45:11

you said he's one of the three pictures of our generation,

45:14

I'm just gonna guess. Kershaw,

45:17

Verlander, Pedro.

45:19

That's fair. That's fair?

45:20

Is that not pretty good? I'm a Mariner

45:22

fan. I don't think we got two hits

45:25

off Pedro.

45:26

For a decade, that's true.

45:28

Oh you know that? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

45:30

couldn't get so. No. And Verlander,

45:33

I mean, he's just he reinvented himself.

45:35

He's a stud, he really is, and

45:37

he gets better with age sometimes.

45:39

You know, some of these guys, you know, Jamie

45:41

Morier got one hundred wins

45:43

after the age of thirty eight. I mean, some guys figure

45:45

it out late, right, and Verlander's one of

45:47

them. And he's a study. He's in

45:50

tremendous condition.

45:51

All right.

45:51

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