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that now, Joel Klatton, I

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have a lot to talk about. Are

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they unraveling at

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USC Lincoln Riley

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point some fingers at Caleb Williams,

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Oh yeah, Michigan,

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Penn State, Ohio State, Jamak

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stuff going on.

1:01

I've long said October and November

1:03

are the best sports months. You don't even mention

1:06

the NBA tips off in less

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than a week. It's gonna be like, you can't

1:10

take nights off anymore, coward every

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night.

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One of us doesn't. So

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Micah Parsons, I'll just read you

1:17

the quote gets very upset. He

1:19

said, don't throw shade on us

1:22

without the same energy toward

1:24

the Eagles and the forty nine ers.

1:27

So what Micah is saying is if you're

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gonna give them credit after wins or

1:31

criticize us, well you

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have to criticize the Niners in the

1:36

Eagles when they lose. Of Course, the difference,

1:38

Micah is the Eagles and Niners

1:41

get to Super Bowls and win big

1:44

games. Nobody's giving

1:46

them a pass. Dallas has been

1:48

overwhelmingly all talked for twenty

1:50

five years. They beat the two

1:52

and three Chargers, a team

1:55

that has not won their division despite

1:58

having Philip Rivers and Justin Herbert

2:02

really good quarterbacks in

2:04

fourteen years. So

2:06

Jerry Jones said something

2:08

yesterday, and we said this yesterday

2:11

and Jerry doubled up on this. So here's

2:13

Jerry Jones talking realistically

2:17

about what he watched in

2:19

that win over the

2:21

Chargers.

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I felt it was this disjointed

2:25

or sloppy game, as

2:28

maybe that's a strong word for both

2:30

both sides. I really thought

2:33

the game was relatively speaking,

2:36

statistically, it was even there

2:38

was a penalty, even that obviously the

2:40

stats were real even on the

2:42

game, it was a hard thought game. They're

2:45

a good team.

2:46

By the way Jerry acknowledging, it

2:48

wasn't a particularly well

2:51

coached game. So the owner now

2:53

has separated from the fans. That's

2:56

good. Last week we were concerned that Jerry

2:59

was becoming a fan, not an owner. I

3:01

don't care if he medals. He did play

3:03

football. He's been in de facto

3:05

GM. Don't become a fan as an owner.

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But back to Mica and comparing them to

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the Philadelphia Eagles in San Francisco.

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Yes, they lost, but we hold

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them in a different stratosphere.

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I went back this morning and I look twelve

3:20

years. That's about you know, Harbaugh

3:23

forty nine ers twelve years.

3:25

In that time, San Francisco and Philadelphia

3:28

both have four division titles, have

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a combined seventeen playoff

3:33

wins and four Super

3:36

Bowl appearances. Just think of those numbers.

3:39

Eight division titles, seventeen

3:42

playoff wins, four super Bowl appearances.

3:44

In that same stretch, the

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Dallas Cowboys

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have three wild

3:52

card playoff wins. So

3:54

when Dallas beats the Chargers and they see

3:56

it as status or validation, I

3:59

do not. Again, the Chargers have

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not won a division title in fourteen years

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now, Micah Parsons he's got

4:06

strong opinions. I like him.

4:08

He's got a podcast. I should go buy

4:10

that thing. I got a little company. Anyway, Micah's

4:13

talking about Dak Prescott.

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Now, I like my players

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supporting my players, and here's Micah

4:20

talking about Dak.

4:22

I just don't condone the bashing

4:24

of Dak Prescott and the das Cowboys

4:27

and have the same energy for the Eagles, because

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there's a whole bunch of bashing when it's Dak Prescott.

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We'm not to say when it's the Eagles, and I'm just calling

4:34

out the BS because I'm tired of people trashing

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my quarterback. I'm tired of people trashing my team. And

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that's why I had nothing to say to the me this.

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Week supporting Dak. I

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get probably the best he's played in

4:44

two years. But we do not, nor

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should we in the media ever ever

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consider the Niners, the Eagles,

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and the Cowboys as the same businesses.

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Two are empirical and the class

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of the NFC in twelve years.

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Dallas has been all talk in

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that same period, well,

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a team that's not doing a lot of talking, mostly

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just doing a lot of hitting. Philadelphia

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We're seeing something historic here. This

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is all time stuff. You

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haven't seen baseball playoff pitching

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this dominant in the playoffs since

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the nineteen eighty three Orioles. The

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Phillies are now the best hitting playoff

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team since the two thousand Red Sox

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and their ops. Baseball

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people love that is the best

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since the nineteen thirty two Yankees.

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You are watching potentially the

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best playoff run ever. I

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felt sorry for Atlanta, It's

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even sadder for Arizona. Here's

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how the game started at the Bank last night.

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Turner hits a dry deep left

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center field and the Phillies

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straight first again.

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Tray Turner a solo

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sit the

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last two years in the National League

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playoffs. The Phillies are seventeen

6:07

and three and virtually unbeatable

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at home. Arizona's done their two aces

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lost. Now they go to a rookie in Game three,

6:14

and they're gonna have to use the bullpen. This puppy's

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over. Baseball riders love

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analytics, Oh they love math.

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Fans don't. This team doesn't

6:25

feel nuanced. They're loud, they're

6:27

brash, they're powerful, they're

6:29

football feeling. It's a little UFC,

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a little football with our baseball a sport

6:34

that can be slow and plotting and

6:37

mathy, and I think it really works

6:39

on television. People are so worried because the

6:41

wild card teams won. This

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feels like the two thousand Yankees without

6:45

the ring yet in that remember that late

6:47

ninety early two thousand stuff, big

6:50

names, big power, power, pitching

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overwhelming. It's the highest

6:54

run differential in an eight game

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playoff span. Ever, so you are looking

6:59

at complete historical dominance.

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They could be a good team in analytics.

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I don't really know, but when I watch

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them, they jump off the TV. They're loud,

7:09

they're brash, and that home field advantage

7:12

feels very much like the ghosts of Yankee

7:14

Stadium. Teams like Arizona

7:16

and Atlanta are absolutely unraveling,

7:19

and I think it's great for the sport. All

7:21

right, j Mac, we have Joel Klatt in one

7:23

hour. There is a you know,

7:26

you go out on the town sometimes in Los Angeles.

7:28

Maybe you didn't, well I don't. I wouldn't say it's going

7:30

on in the town. But I went out last night and you start

7:32

running into people and you hear a

7:34

lot of things. People like talking, people

7:37

like commiserating.

7:38

What are we talking about a listers here.

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Listen, I don't get into listers.

7:42

There's just I'm finding a lot

7:44

of stuff out about the Patriots, nonsense

7:47

about some of the stuff going on at USC

7:50

right now. There is a lot

7:53

of unsettled football situations

7:55

in this country, and I am here for it.

7:56

Just so happens.

7:58

I was out at dinner with the wife last night where Eggs

8:00

hitting a restaurant, and I am a member

8:02

of the La Rams walks in.

8:04

I mean I noticed him, but I don't think anyone else did.

8:06

And I'll just saying there's some stuff

8:08

happening with the Rams this week.

8:10

Huh did you notice that? Well backfield situation?

8:12

Little secondary issue?

8:14

Did you notice this? This morning?

8:16

I looked at the NFL standings

8:20

the AFC playoff teams. Five of the

8:22

seven we predicted. We didn't predict Baltimore

8:24

Cleveland, but we said both would be really good. So

8:28

it's all the big dogs you'd expect in the NFC.

8:30

It's five of the seven. Tampa is a shock and the Rams,

8:33

I think, for both of us, is a little little

8:36

But if you noticed this, only

8:38

the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So we are going we're thirty

8:41

three percent of the schedules done. Now we're

8:43

going into week seven, thirty three

8:45

percent of the NFL season is done,

8:48

and there is exactly one surprise

8:51

in the whole league. Tampa. Now,

8:53

in fairness to anybody who didn't predict

8:55

Tampa, it's the worst division in football

8:57

and somebody had to win it. So it's

9:00

going to be a nine to eight division winner. That's what it

9:02

feels. I mean, it's the weakest division in football.

9:04

Even the AFC South has Jacksonville

9:07

and a great quarterback and Rabile

9:09

a great coach. This division doesn't have great

9:11

really anything, right, but it

9:13

is the league is

9:15

getting more predictable because

9:18

it is so quarterback and

9:21

head coach centric now, especially offensive

9:24

coach and quarterback centric, because of all the rule

9:26

changes. I'm not talking betting

9:28

week to week, you know, odds numbers, that's

9:30

always tough. Fifty five percent. Still a great

9:32

season, but basically five

9:35

of the seven ten of the fourteen teams

9:38

that we thought would be in are in and

9:41

by the way, the

9:43

other ones are still potentially

9:45

in it. They would be locked in today. The other

9:47

four are in it. Cincinnati

9:50

now coming back. So my point is we

9:52

always look at the NFL as unpredictable.

9:54

It can be on a week to week

9:56

basis, but on a macro level,

9:59

this is the This is the closest

10:01

I have ever been a third through the season on virtually

10:04

everything either being in the playoff

10:06

picture or right up against it. There

10:08

are now that Cincinnati's bounced back Tampa

10:11

is the only surprise in the league. Well, two quick

10:13

notes on that.

10:13

Cincinnati I believe has the hardest strength

10:16

of schedule the rest of the way. One website has them

10:18

as the toughest schedule. Baltimore's like third, and

10:21

you think Tampa stays up there much longer? They interesting

10:24

game this week against Atlanta.

10:26

Yeah, well we'll see.

10:27

I say it in a way that you should know. I bet one

10:29

of those teams last night.

10:30

I can't bet Atlanta. I've only got two rules. One

10:33

of them never bet the Falcons. Okay,

10:35

I do not bet the Falcons.

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College football is so fueled

12:01

by emotion that fans sometimes

12:03

media go overboard

12:06

on a singular play, or a singular

12:08

moment, or a singular loss.

12:12

Take a deep breath. Everything's going to be okay

12:14

at USC, Although I did think it was interesting

12:17

their head coach Lincoln Riley, when talking

12:19

about Caleb Williams and the Notre

12:22

Dame loss, said, quote, separation

12:24

for receivers really wasn't a problem. Go

12:26

back and look at the tape. All three

12:29

turnovers. Those guys are wide open

12:31

running around. We just got to finish plays. Lincoln

12:34

Riley calling out Caleb Williams.

12:37

So listen. When Lincoln Riley

12:39

came to USC, people on the outside

12:41

have no idea what a mess. The

12:44

program was four and

12:46

eight and about twenty eight to

12:48

thirty legitimate players

12:51

of eighty five about thirty could

12:53

play, and there were about three really

12:56

good NFL bodies for USC.

12:59

It was a mess. Since

13:01

then, he's gone seventeen and four.

13:04

Saturday was a really ugly

13:06

loss. They haven't had those. They

13:09

used to have those all the time. Caleb

13:11

Williams stunk first bad

13:13

game as a collegiate. He'll still be the number

13:15

one pick. But there are three things

13:18

at USC to keep your eye on. The

13:20

defensive coordinator Alex Grinch

13:23

appears to be over his skis. People

13:25

are unhappy, even some players

13:28

Lincoln needs to make a move. It's over

13:31

number two. Caleb's dad getting over

13:33

his skis with a little of the power stuff

13:35

in the NFL. He needs to scale back.

13:38

Also, USC boosters and Lincoln

13:40

have issues. Lincoln wants new facilities.

13:42

Boosters say, you keep asking us for facility

13:45

money and nil money. Which one

13:47

do you want? The Boosters are right.

13:49

Kids don't care about lockers in twenty twenty

13:52

three. They want let us, they

13:54

want cash. They don't care about how

13:57

shiny their locker is. That's

13:59

like eighty years ago at Oregon. In Texas

14:01

and Washington, kids don't care anymore. They

14:03

want money forget new facilities.

14:05

I've been there.

14:06

They're fine, They're good enough. All

14:09

the pressure in those three situations,

14:12

it had been building, and it culminated

14:15

in a mess on Saturday. USC

14:17

looked distracted and they were

14:20

notre Dame looked focus and they were.

14:23

Lincoln is polarizing because he left Oklahoma

14:26

and the way he did, and he took the quarterback.

14:28

People don't like that, and I get

14:30

it. But again, he's seventeen and four

14:33

and has turned around quickly a mess. But

14:35

here is something that needs

14:38

to be noted. USC,

14:42

LSU and Colorado

14:45

are three of the most heavily transfer

14:49

portal driven programs in the country,

14:52

and all three LSU,

14:54

USC and Colorado looked

14:57

really good for a week or two, and then all

14:59

of a sudden they it didn't look good at all. There's

15:02

a reason you can't

15:04

microwave success in college

15:06

football or in life. You

15:08

can't skip steps.

15:11

I went and looked this morning. Jim Harbaugh's

15:14

truly best team, and he's

15:16

a great coach. Year

15:18

nine, Mac

15:20

Brown's Natty at Texas,

15:23

Year eight, Dabo

15:25

Sweeney's best team at Clemson,

15:28

Year nine, Brian

15:30

Kelly's best team. I don't want to

15:32

hear about the Manti Teo team that got to the Natty

15:35

and got destroyed. His best team was year

15:37

eight. They almost beat Georgia eight

15:41

nine. Year nine eight seven

15:43

Dabbo nine mac Brown eight.

15:47

USC has five new transfers

15:49

on their starting defense this

15:52

season. This season half the defense.

15:55

Oklahoma, Michigan, Georgia, Ohio State,

15:57

and Penn State combined combined

16:01

have five new

16:03

transfers on their starting defenses.

16:06

One a team, LSU,

16:10

Colorado, and USC. You

16:12

can't microwave success.

16:16

You can't.

16:17

USC still foundationally

16:20

has lots of pieces on

16:23

the old line. In d line, they have to

16:25

upgrade. I don't think the staff

16:27

is right yet. Even in Nick Saban,

16:29

you don't generally get your first staff

16:32

right. You missing a coordinator

16:34

and a couple of recruiters who can't coach

16:36

on the staff. USC

16:39

is going to be fine, Lincoln Riley's

16:41

excellent. Caleb Williams is going to

16:43

be number one, But there's tension

16:45

in the program too. Many transfers,

16:48

dads have power boosters, unhappy

16:50

with new facilities they're forced to pay for,

16:53

and Saturnay it culminated in

16:55

a mess.

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So, if you went to work

17:08

at a place and you're young,

17:10

you're twenty four or twenty five, twenty six years old,

17:12

you're you're young, and you were really

17:15

good, really

17:18

really good right out

17:20

of the shoot when you got a job, and

17:23

then some people that were important around

17:25

you left and you really got

17:27

suddenly bad at your job. Did

17:30

you fail? Did

17:32

you get dumb? Did you

17:34

get incompetent again? You

17:37

were very good your first year at the company,

17:40

and then you regressed badly

17:43

and sharply. Why

17:47

when a quarterback comes into the league, we

17:49

usually know the order

17:52

they come in. They

17:55

struggle, they flail, and

17:58

then eventually everything slows

18:00

down and hopefully and usually

18:03

they get better. What you almost

18:05

never see in the NFL is

18:07

a quarterback comes in, he's really good early

18:10

and regresses sharply. The

18:12

hell happened? Did he get hurt? No?

18:15

Did he get incompetent? Dumb?

18:19

No?

18:19

No, that's the question

18:21

with Mac Jones. Why

18:24

has he regressed so sharply from

18:27

a very good rookie year. Hmm.

18:31

Tom Curran, honesty broker

18:33

who covers the Patriots on a podcast,

18:37

he said, how did Jones go from

18:39

a strong rookie season to this? Maybe

18:42

it's questionable decisions by Belichick.

18:46

Decisions like failing to have a succession

18:48

plan for Josh McDaniels, like

18:51

putting a pair of plumbers in charge of

18:53

wiring the house with Joe Judge and Matt

18:55

Patricia, like swinging

18:57

and missing on half the offensive free

19:00

agents taken in the twenty twenty

19:02

one Spenderama, like

19:05

trying to change the offense or failing

19:07

to attack the tackle position in the draft,

19:09

or free agency moving

19:12

on from Jacoby Myers or

19:14

deciding DeAndre Hopkins wouldn't

19:16

help while giving raises

19:19

to Trent Brown and DeVante Parker.

19:22

That avalanche of mistakes isn't

19:24

on mac Jones, but he's the

19:26

one suffocating under

19:28

the avalanche. Ask yourself,

19:31

if you went to a company at twenty

19:33

four and really did well, some

19:36

people left and you sharply

19:39

declined, is that on you?

19:42

Maybe you're not great, maybe you have a

19:44

ceiling. But here's something to

19:46

remember. Tom Brady

19:49

got significantly better at

19:52

forty three years old, and

19:55

forty four years old and

19:58

forty five years old once

20:00

he left Belichick. Did you know that

20:04

his last three years in New England

20:08

compare them to his three years in Tampa.

20:11

He had a higher passer rating, more yards,

20:13

more touchdown pass it, and a higher completion percentage

20:17

in Tampa, new culture,

20:19

new house, new coaches, new

20:22

teammates, new playbook, and

20:25

yet across the board significantly

20:29

better. You

20:31

won't blame Belichick for that, but

20:34

you'll blame mac Jones for this. I

20:37

said it yesterday. Trees

20:41

don't grow to the sky. Stories

20:43

have an ending. Put up

20:45

a statue, hire Ben Johnson.

20:48

Give mac Jones one more

20:51

year unless you can get Drake

20:53

may or Caleb Williams in the

20:55

draft, then roll it. Those are

20:57

A prospects max a B prospect.

21:01

But it's interesting, right you're

21:04

giving Belichick a pass for what

21:06

he did in the past.

21:09

How did Mac Jones go from

21:12

Pro Bowl level to awful? It

21:15

doesn't work that way. Some

21:18

guys go from awful to Pro Bowl,

21:20

awful to capable. They

21:23

don't go from capable Pro Bowl to awful

21:26

unless there's a reason. Tom

21:28

Curran great stuff. So for

21:32

years, speaking of dysfunctional, for

21:34

years and years, we all sort of looked

21:37

at the Houston Texans, even people in Houston, and

21:39

rolled our eyes. But that's

21:41

not the case anymore. They're probably not going to

21:44

make the playoffs, but they're very formidable.

21:47

So, speaking of work, if

21:50

you just show up on time number

21:52

one and number two, have a good attitude.

21:55

Never met anybody like that that didn't succeed at

21:58

work. You may not be CEO, but

22:01

you show up on time, come with a good attitude,

22:04

you'll be successful in the NFL.

22:06

If you have the right coach and

22:09

you get the quarterback right, it overcomes

22:11

everything else. And the Houston

22:14

Texans are a great example

22:16

of this. I wrote down this list

22:18

this morning week, bordering

22:21

on looney Tunes ownership,

22:24

a certified loon in the front office,

22:28

enabling their star quarterback who is

22:30

doing bad things off the field, bad

22:33

roster, made a head coach who

22:35

was pretty good into a GM who was awful,

22:37

gave away some of their best picks and players,

22:40

no momentum as

22:42

a franchise at all. Then

22:45

they get Demiko Ryans, who the Niner

22:47

coaches felt was a star in the making,

22:50

and they draft CJ. Stroud instantly

22:53

viable. You

22:56

gotta get the coaching quarterback right now.

22:58

The Chargers have the quarterback right

23:01

Tennessee. The New York Giants Pittsburgh

23:04

appear to have the coach right and not

23:07

the quarterback. Where you

23:09

get into trouble in the NFL is

23:11

convincing yourself average

23:14

is good. So that's why I gotta

23:16

be careful. In New York, they keep trying

23:18

to convince themselves in the offseason

23:20

that Daniel Jones contract

23:23

is justified. No, it's not.

23:27

Look at the tension Brandon's Staley

23:30

has created with the Chargers. It's not

23:32

him. It's Herbert. No, it's him, it's

23:34

not Herbert. If

23:37

you miss on both the coach and quarterback.

23:39

Everybody gets fired. If

23:41

you hit on one, you may get

23:44

fired because it creates false

23:46

hope delusion. But

23:49

the Texans appear to have nailed both. Demiko

23:52

Ryans was a rock star in the building

23:54

in San Francisco. Has been everything you hope

23:56

for. They got the front office right and

23:59

CJ. He

24:02

drops sees the field, releases

24:04

quickly to the perfect spot.

24:06

This kid appears to have it. Demiko Ryans

24:09

really pleased heading into the bye week.

24:12

I like where our team is, you know, heading into

24:14

the buy five hundred, and we've done

24:17

some things really well, but there's also

24:19

still a lot of things that we can clean

24:21

up, a lot of things that we can improve on. But

24:24

I'm still on encourage with where we are

24:26

as a team.

24:27

J McK and I talked about this yesterday. I

24:30

think you can spot good very

24:32

early. I also think

24:35

don't rush to spot

24:38

and call something amiss. I don't

24:40

think Bryce Young we can make a call yet he looks

24:42

small. We worried about that. Anthony

24:45

Richardson keeps getting hurt. I worry

24:47

about that, but I don't think it's

24:49

crazy to acknowledge that c J. Stroud

24:52

big mobile enough and

24:55

super accurate. He looks

24:57

like a hit. I don't think it's crazy.

24:59

Now.

24:59

I thought Mac Jones less talented

25:02

but had some of that sit in the pocket

25:04

throw strikes capable. But I

25:06

don't think it's too early to look at CJ.

25:08

Stroud and go with this on line issue, no

25:12

momentum, defensive coach,

25:14

he's pretty damn good. Great, don't

25:17

know, but that looks like a hit. And you and

25:19

I don't like watching crappy football.

25:22

If Trevor Lawrence doesn't play tomorrow night, I'm going

25:24

to struggle to watch Jagg's Saints. We

25:26

want these quarterbacks to all hit.

25:29

It makes the windows more fun to watch.

25:31

I don't think it's too early to say c J.

25:34

Stroud at some level, whatever

25:36

level the hit is, he does look like

25:38

a hit, which is by the way

25:40

we saw it Burrow early, Lamar early, Herbert

25:43

or most of the time, you see it

25:45

very early.

25:46

Now.

25:46

Jalen Hurst took a while, Josh

25:48

Allen took a year, but it

25:50

looks like a hit. I don't think it's hyperbolic.

25:53

I don't think it's over our skis saying he

25:55

kind of looks like a hit to me.

25:56

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Weekdays and Noonie not a Empacific.

26:02

Joel Klatt, the Voice of college football.

26:06

Oh, he got a humdinger this weekend.

26:08

Right, this is a game,

26:10

my friend.

26:11

I know, man, I can't wait for this one.

26:13

This one's gonna be great.

26:15

The kind of game you've earned. What

26:19

do you mean this is This is the game

26:21

of the weekend, no doubt. So we're

26:24

going to get to Penn State Ohio State in a second,

26:26

because I think Penn State's better. By

26:28

the way, two of the last three times the Buckeyes have

26:30

faced the top ten team

26:33

l Penn State's on an eleven game winning

26:35

streak, has a better quarterback. I

26:37

think they have better, uh energy

26:40

in the program. I'm not gonna wait till later. Let's talk

26:42

about it, Yeah, I guess. I mean, we're just gonna dive in.

26:44

Let's dive. Let's do.

26:46

I talked about a little tension at USC, which

26:48

is healthy. You and I have tension, healthy,

26:50

my wife argues healthy. I like tension.

26:52

I like conflict. There is this thing,

26:54

though, with Ohio State. If Penn

26:57

State lost twenty seven to twenty four, like

27:00

heck of an effort. If Ohio

27:03

State loses this weekend. You

27:05

go to that reddit board Buckeye dot com.

27:08

Sure it's man over. Yeah,

27:10

no's that's that's not wrong.

27:12

There's some of the stuff you said was

27:14

wrong, but that sentiment is not wrong. You

27:17

are correct that the pressure and the

27:19

stress brought forth by that fan

27:21

base at Ohio State is immense, and

27:24

Ryan has been under it, and yet he really

27:26

shouldn't be. He's fifty one and six as a

27:28

head coach. The only coach to reach

27:30

fifty one wins faster in college football

27:32

history is Chris Peterson at Boise State. So

27:34

he's been outstanding there. In

27:37

fact, his only.

27:38

Losses are in those big Top ten

27:40

games, and yet he's still won nine Top

27:42

ten matchups.

27:43

Like he wins those games to a little less

27:46

miles. He couldn't beat Nick and they ran him out

27:48

of town. I mean, not personal, but

27:50

I mean in terms of less Miles

27:52

could beat everybody but Bama.

27:53

There there is a lot of tension and

27:55

stress and pressure because in

27:58

particular for this game, because well, really three

28:00

reasons. Okay, Number one, you're at home.

28:02

It's like, hey, protect the shoe and we're

28:05

not going to lose at the shoe. The

28:07

second one is is that there's this sentiment that

28:09

Michigan is still the top dog right now because

28:11

of what they've done over the last couple of years. You

28:14

can't lose to Penn State and put yourself in

28:16

third position in the division. That

28:18

doesn't like for an Ohio State fan, that's

28:20

just like nope, like that, we

28:23

can't have that. Okay. So there's that sentiment,

28:25

and then there's also they're older than

28:27

Penn State. They're more veteran. Good

28:29

quarterbacks are the same age. Okay, so they

28:32

both have young quarterbacks, but the defense

28:34

is a veteran defense. At Ohio State, they've

28:36

got veterans on the outside, in particular

28:38

Marvin Harrison junior. The core for

28:41

Penn State is really sophomores.

28:43

Their year is really next year. Yeah, Penn

28:45

State, they'll be a preseason one, two or

28:47

three with Drew Yeah, I would guess. And they will

28:49

still have Abdull Carter the linebacker.

28:51

Both of those running backs, Nick Singleton and k

28:54

Tron Allen, they would both be back because

28:56

they're sophomore. So there's this sense

28:58

that Penn State is still built thing, whereas

29:01

Ohio State it's like we want it now

29:04

and to be fair Ohio

29:06

State fans feel like that every

29:08

day of the year.

29:09

But I could argue this for

29:11

Ohio State fans, Michigan's better

29:13

now and Penn State's better

29:15

next year, and you're right in the middle. The

29:18

middle child's got all the therapy issue.

29:20

Maybe. I mean, teams

29:22

can transform so quickly in this day and age,

29:25

right within il and transfer. So it's it's it's

29:27

hard to it's hard to just say

29:29

exactly what a team is going to be next year

29:31

or this year. I will I will say this though, like

29:34

that. This this game screams

29:37

to me like heavy pressure.

29:40

And yet in my mind

29:42

Ryan always answers the bell with

29:44

great game plans and this type of

29:46

environment. Think about some of the playoff games, even

29:49

the one that he lost to Clemson and Trevor Lawrence.

29:51

They had a great offensive game plan. They

29:54

outplayed Georgia when when

29:56

they get put in a corner, when they

29:59

get backed into a which there is a little

30:01

narrative about that you have to win, you

30:03

gotta do this on Ohio State, the pressures

30:05

on the side, they tend to deliver

30:08

in those moments. Now, they didn't against Michigan

30:10

in the last couple of years, but this feels

30:13

like a game that you're gonna get the very best

30:15

from Ohio State. And I will say this about Kyle McCord,

30:17

their young quarterback. He's outplayed Drew Aller

30:19

to this point in the season. He's been in a bigger

30:21

stage now on the road at Notre Dame, whereas

30:23

Aller is really making his first real

30:26

road start of his career. Started at Illinois

30:28

and Northwestern in his career. I

30:31

mean, I don't know if there were total fans in both

30:33

of those games, the number of fans that are going to be in the shoe

30:35

on Saturday. In fact, I know this the first

30:37

top ten team he's ever played. That's right, very

30:40

excited. Need a spotter, No,

30:42

no, who's your spotter?

30:43

You got it? You know what.

30:46

Me and myself and.

30:50

I mean this, folks, this is going to be so

30:52

speaking of that, I was at the best game

30:55

in the country lest last week.

30:56

That's right, you told America I was

30:58

invited. I took the invitation.

31:00

May have been the governor, may have been a friend either

31:02

one, either one, well both both.

31:05

Point Here's what I loved about it. You

31:07

know, LSU Colorado USC

31:10

A lot of transfers, a lot of flash

31:13

I watched two foundational programs,

31:16

great coaches, great players. Here's

31:18

my question. Really, you know the tackle

31:20

for Oregon was a transfer from Washington.

31:23

That's right. You could have him one.

31:24

No, just continue, that's fine.

31:26

Here's my thing about Michael Pennix.

31:27

Wasn't he a transfer? Oh that's right, go ahead,

31:30

go ahead, Well, Kaylin Handy way, wasn't Bo Nixon

31:32

trip? Oh that's okay? No, no, no, continue,

31:34

no, go ahead. But you're right. They were foundationally

31:37

built, not through the transfer porter except for their quarterbacks.

31:40

That's said. When you watch

31:43

Washington's playmakers, first

31:45

round quarterback, first round receiver, they

31:47

didn't even have McMillan. That

31:50

team's got. It's an offensive sport.

31:53

It's how good is Washington really?

31:55

Really good?

31:55

Like?

31:55

This is a National championship caliber team?

31:58

I think when I was watching them, I'm like, I

32:00

don't think people they have a left tackle

32:02

who's going to the NFL. If you can't get to Pinis,

32:05

you can't guard that offense.

32:06

And generally you can't get to Pinis. And Oregon

32:08

did a great job, by the way, Sure I'm

32:10

impressed with both teams. Go to that game,

32:12

so you were there, you felt the environment,

32:15

I.

32:15

Thought Oregon was deeper and bigger.

32:17

I thought Washington had more playmakers and

32:19

more skill, and then in the end they leaned

32:21

into that skill. So a couple of thoughts on

32:23

this game. I don't think anybody in America

32:26

was going to beat Washington in that building Saturday.

32:28

You were there.

32:29

It was magic.

32:30

It was magic. Pinis was playing great.

32:33

I mean even Georgia goes up there, Michigan

32:35

goes up there. So because of that sentiment,

32:37

I actually come away thoroughly impressed.

32:40

Also with Oregon, because of the way that

32:42

they played. I performed.

32:43

Even my Husky friends were like, I don't want

32:45

to play Oregon again.

32:46

That's right, there's a sentiment of like, boy, I don't want

32:48

to see that team again. At one point in the second half,

32:50

Bonix was twenty of twenty four. You

32:53

know, he's experienced. He wasn't threatened by

32:55

that environment at all. Having said

32:57

that, if you take a look at this game, here's

32:59

what I love about Washington and what they did,

33:01

and what I loved about their head coach, Kaylin de Boer.

33:04

Kaylen de bor has been with Pinnicks for a long time

33:06

and in the most crucial times

33:09

he went NFL style, which is I'm

33:11

gonna let my guy do what he does best.

33:14

I'm not gonna sit there and say like, this is what

33:17

I want to do, this is what my scheme suggests.

33:19

I'm gonna say like, he knows that he's

33:21

got you know, pinnis in this instance,

33:24

he knows that he's got matchups that he can exploit,

33:27

and he's gonna find those and then throw with

33:29

great leverage to those one on ones. And he did

33:31

so, and he found a donzey and he won the game

33:33

because of it. On the other side,

33:36

you had Dan Lanning, who doesn't have the same

33:38

history with bo Nicks that de Bor does with

33:40

Pinnix. Landing also has a

33:42

first year coordinator that he just hired from UTSA

33:45

will Stein. Very bright guy, great

33:48

future in this sport. But while

33:50

Debor gives Pinnix the keys to go

33:52

do what he does best. In the two fourth downs

33:55

that are very controversial before the half for

33:57

Oregon and at the end of the game, they

33:59

took a guy in bon Nicks whose strength

34:01

is operating a system inefficiency

34:04

and has fifty three starts under his belt,

34:07

and they roll them out to basically

34:09

cut off three quarters of the field. Oregon's

34:12

gonna learn from that and get better from

34:14

that. So the questioning

34:17

of Dan Landing about why go

34:19

for it this or that? To me, it wasn't about

34:21

going for the fourth downs. It was the execution

34:23

and the play call of what they try

34:26

to do.

34:26

It is really smart. I hear this all the time.

34:29

Is that execution.

34:31

It's like when business people say, I've got an idea.

34:33

Mark Cuban taught me this one time. Everybody's

34:36

got an idea, that's right, do you have the people to execute

34:38

it. I didn't have a problem with the calls.

34:41

I had a problem with their execution.

34:43

Well, to me, it was the calls the right like

34:45

you you put them in position to where half

34:47

the field going for it. I didn't.

34:50

Maybe before the half you could say like, hey,

34:52

listen, you don't have the advantage of

34:54

getting possible field position if you fail.

34:57

You know that, So before the half, what I have taken

34:59

the three points? Yes, if I was in

35:01

the same position at the end of the game, I would have gone

35:03

for it as well. He's got one snap to win the game

35:05

and not give the ball back to Michael Pinnox, and I would

35:07

have taken it. Navy Seals talk about this all

35:09

the time. You can have the greatest plan in

35:12

the world, but what does it come down to when the team

35:14

leader, in the heat of the moment says

35:16

and gives the order execute, Execute,

35:19

Execute. It's all about execution in

35:21

those moments.

35:22

So I I

35:24

don't know. I like my wife's

35:27

likes to cook, and she'll have a glass of white

35:29

wine and she'll cook and lovely, we'll

35:32

discuss the day's events. Yeah, how are

35:34

you, honey? Wonderful and I'm sure a discussion

35:36

with you is lovely. At the end we break down the

35:38

BCS standings. And so

35:41

from eight years ago, yeah, we were

35:43

early on it. We've been

35:45

together seventeen years. We were early on it. So

35:48

the point is

35:50

is that we don't

35:52

do microwaves much.

35:54

Oh okay, I've.

35:55

Always had a thing about it. I think we're going to know in one

35:57

hundred years it killed us all micro

36:00

wave So that's not here or there. I

36:03

follows feared microwaves where the

36:05

rays coming out to my food. I'm

36:07

not into it at all, but I don't want

36:10

to get into that.

36:10

Now.

36:11

I know I'm right, but I don't want to.

36:12

Get into it.

36:13

But here's my point. USC

36:16

and Colorado. Okay, little bit, LSU,

36:19

you're trying to microwave your program,

36:21

us CS, what do you do well? All

36:24

I'm saying is I was unrealistic. USCS

36:28

five starters on defense that

36:30

are transfers. Georgia,

36:32

Oklahoma, Ohio, State,

36:35

Michigan combined have

36:37

five time out. There's too many transfers

36:40

the first time, first year, first year. I'm time

36:42

too much microwaving Colorado.

36:45

I disagree completely. Oklahoma just had

36:47

to microwave their defense. It's the only reason they

36:49

just beat Texas. Do you know why six

36:52

of their seven and they're too deep

36:54

on their defensive line? Transfers this year

36:56

six of seven this

36:59

year on their defense line? Why they had no

37:01

competitive depth on their defensive line last year? That's

37:03

why they give up forty points some four hundred yards a game.

37:06

You can say the same thing about like what is

37:09

USC and Colorado supposed to do

37:11

with what the defense is?

37:12

What they're not supposed to do. But what we're

37:14

seeing is an unraveling of

37:17

LSU transfer heavy

37:19

USC Colorado after about six weeks,

37:21

five weeks, they're unraveling because

37:24

the best year for mac Brown was year.

37:26

Michigan's also got great transfers that

37:28

have added the death Josh Wallace

37:30

is his corner. He's starting right now. I've been

37:32

there for nine house members. Is adding

37:34

their linebacker death Josiah Stewart.

37:37

I believe he's their best pass round.

37:39

USC, Colorado and LSU brand

37:42

new coaches putting in a system transfer

37:45

system transfers a great I just disagree

37:47

because I like, what do you want?

37:49

Sometimes you have to use a microwave. Like sometimes

37:52

to use your analogy, you don't have two hours

37:54

to cook dinner and enjoy a glass of white wine

37:56

and talk about the BCS standings from twenty

37:58

thirteen. Sometimes you're

38:01

like, hey, I got you know, like I got

38:03

three kids, So they got eleven, nine and six

38:05

year old boy, and it's like we got flag football in

38:07

thirty seven seconds. Microwave

38:10

the pizza. Bad bet the pizza

38:12

now, Like sometimes you just got to use

38:14

a microwave. And Colorado and USC

38:17

and LSU, to a certain extent, they

38:19

were They had flag football in thirty seven

38:21

seconds, and they needed their slice of pizza right

38:23

now or else there was just no chance to be competitive.

38:25

Another thing that I would say is like when you're talking about

38:28

USC, a lot of people look at this defense

38:30

and defense, and the problem wasn't the defense

38:32

against Notable.

38:33

Against Notre Dame. It wasn't And Notre Dame's

38:35

offense is a beab gun. Come on, wait

38:37

until they face Washington and Oregon.

38:39

Well, they're not going to face Washington Oregon because they're probably

38:42

not going to be into the playoffs.

38:43

Well, no, Washington's coming up in a couple of weeks.

38:44

Oh, we're talking about USC.

38:45

Yeah, I mean those are real offense.

38:47

But right now USC's offense is a bb gun

38:49

because they can't protect Kayleb Williams. If anything,

38:51

they should have been deeper into the transfer portal

38:54

to try to build their offensive line.

38:55

See Colin, it's.

38:56

The only way that you can actually

38:58

improve yourself year over year quickly.

39:01

It's a known commodity. I know, I can't wait

39:03

three years for Caleb Williams

39:05

needs some protection.

39:06

Now.

39:06

Did you know he's been pressured fifty eight times

39:08

at this four weeks? Listen, that's fifth in college

39:10

football.

39:11

They coudn't block anybody. They couldn't block Arizona's.

39:14

So shouldn't they have gone out and gotten the three transfers

39:16

that Michigan got on their offensive line that

39:18

they're starting this year.

39:20

Not denying that transfers make you better.

39:22

What I'm saying is we were all unrealistic

39:24

on Colorado, LSU, and USC, because

39:27

if you don't have foundational years in

39:30

mac d Dabbo, Michigan,

39:33

Brian Kelly's best team at Notre Dame wasn't

39:35

the man titea years It was eight years later

39:37

when they went toe to toe with Georgia. Is that I

39:39

think I fell for the Ooh, look at all the five

39:41

star guys at USC, and they're

39:44

just it's just they don't have a

39:46

foundation to go with the transfer.

39:48

I just don't. I don't like I

39:52

Are you suggesting that they should

39:54

be okay with being a worst team.

39:57

No, I'm suggesting that I

40:00

overshot my expectations. I'm blaming

40:02

me. I see, yeah, I'm not blaming

40:04

the program for getting good fast. But I was

40:07

unrealistic on LSU. I called him a national

40:09

championship. So did I.

40:10

I was unrealistic about that as well. And

40:13

the problem I want to be crystal clear about

40:15

this. The problem with USC last

40:17

week was their offensive line terrible and

40:20

and if Lincoln doesn't get

40:22

the run game going, this

40:24

is a problem down the stretch because they faced

40:26

way too many good, huge physical teams Washington.

40:28

That's again, they'll get dogged by all of.

40:30

Them, that's right. And the I'll

40:32

just point to one one stat and far

40:35

be it from me to like criticize his play calling because

40:37

I think he's one of the best play callers in college football

40:39

that I've really ever seen. But

40:41

Marshawn Lloyd's only getting the ball ten times a game,

40:43

ten ten carries a game. He's

40:46

leading college football and yards per carry. He

40:48

needs the ball more because this in its

40:50

foundation, if you go back to what Lincoln did

40:53

really well at Oklahoma, when

40:55

they run the ball, that's when at their best.

40:57

It's not an air raid system. They have air raid

40:59

principal in their passing game, but it's

41:01

not an air raid philosophy. So

41:03

they've got to run the ball better. He only got eight carries

41:06

against Notre Dame. I think it needs to be a fifteen

41:08

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All right, klats top ten before I talk

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to Michigan, Georgia, Michigan, Florida

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State, Oklahoma, Ohio. I think you have Ohio

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State too high, Penn State, Washington,

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Oregon, North Carolina, Texas. I

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think Oklahoma is a tad high, but whatever.

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Ohio State is a tad high, but whatever, I'm

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okay with it. I haven't watched enough Florida State.

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I was a little frustrated that I didn't put Washington higher

42:05

because of that great game and performance.

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I think that'll play out. The problem is is

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that everybody ahead of them took care of their business.

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You're like, you know, like, well,

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I wasn't high on Oklahoma. What do you want me to do?

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They just beat Texas and that

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was an incredible game, and then they were on and off

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week By the way, Ohio State played their best game against

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Purdue. No one probably cared

42:24

to notice. But Kyle McCord's playing

42:26

great football right before their biggest test

42:28

of the year as Penn State comes to town. Like

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watching out like Ohio State. Once Ryan

42:34

gets a beat on what his system is

42:36

and what his guys can do, they usually take

42:38

off. This is the point in the season where the Buckeyes

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generally start playing really well.

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Well they did last year and then they got whacked by

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Michigan.

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And in nineteen oh and they went to the National

42:48

jamis Commune twenty and how

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many.

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Of those big games they winning. So let's talk Michigan.

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So I hear a lot about NFL

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stuff, and I think

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to myself, it actually

43:01

makes more sense eventually for Lincoln Riley, an

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offensive coach in what has become an offensive

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sport the NFL. I

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actually think because of his ability

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to recruit and manufacture headlines, Harbaugh's

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a better fit in college. I

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think he means more when

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I look at Harbaugh. I'm gonna

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make the argument because all of us hit

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a point in age. Saban's about seventy.

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We all hit a point in age where you

43:27

know the synapses don't fire. You watch

43:30

politics. So look at

43:32

Harbaugh's age. Harbaugh's

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the best coach in college football today. Proved

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me wrong.

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I mean, it's hard to say that. With Nick Savan and Kirby

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Smart.

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You can argue. But Kirby's in a

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state that produces ninety five Division

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one athletes. Jim state produces twelve.

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Jim has built a great program, and he's

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done it in a unique way. In a day and

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age in which it's the sport is built around

43:55

offense and tempo and volume. He's

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gone the opposite direction and built his about

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about culture and toughness, power

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and power, yeah, and grittiness.

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And I've referred to them as

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like the Boa Constrictor of college foot They they

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just kind of squeeze you to death, and

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they don't really panic. This is

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his deepest team that

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he's ever had. I will not be shocked

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if Michigan breaks the record of players

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drafted in one single draft next

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spring.

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Listen, I honestly believe this what I'm

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about to say.

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I think they blow out everybody, including

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Georgia. I think they I don't know. Well,

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the thing is, don't think this is a nineteen

44:37

eighty eight Big Ten team that can't move.

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This team can do everything. They're

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so complimentary. The problem

44:44

is is that they don't care if they're blowing you

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out. That's the difference though, right, So, like, will

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they blow everybody out? I don't know. Maybe they

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could, but they're

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not trying to do that. They're just trying to win

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the game. Now, are they blowing some teams out?

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Yes? The key

44:59

that people missing with Michigan

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is that think of this as the traditional

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Harbaugh team, methodical

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physical, All of them are run oriented.

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Now JJ McCarthy

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takes them to a different level when

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he needs to or wants to, and when he

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can get outside of the pocket and when he

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can make plays outside of the pocket. So

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now they have a different level. They saw

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it last year against Ohio State when on

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the road, JJ elevated their team

45:29

in the second quarter, got big plays

45:31

down the field. He did elevate their team

45:33

against TCU to a certain extent. But this is

45:35

where I think that they're a little bit different is they are fundamentally

45:38

the deepest, most physical team in

45:40

college football currently, and then they

45:42

also have a quarterback that can take them above

45:44

the x's and o's. I think they're probably

45:47

the best team in college football. I still have Georgia

45:49

rank number one right now, only because they've kind

45:51

of earned that spot. But boy, it's

45:53

going to be tough to beat that team. Of all the teams

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that I've covered this year, live

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there by far the best.

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And I've seen Penn State. I've I've

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seen two different coaches PJ.

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Fleck, and there was another one that have said

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that's the best college team I've I've ever faced.

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Yeah, I mean, they are that deep when I watch

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them play. Well, you know what's interesting is

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that not only are they good,

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but Harbaugh's always had not a conservative

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nature, but he I think he kind of gets something

46:21

out of grinding yet sure Boel constrictor

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Now they're just a little saucier because

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they're deep, that's right,

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And so Jim's like, take

46:31

a few more chances now a my defense

46:33

all hold, and my offense is capable

46:35

of scoring quickly. So you get all

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the upside of a Harbaugh team. Even

46:40

though Stanford teams when he had when he had luck,

46:43

he had so much confidence in his quarterback.

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Jim takes pride, foundation

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repetition. I think he's

46:51

got a little sauce and juice on this

46:54

team that you get a little more aggressive.

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Jim probably willing to take more chances

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with all that foundation excellence, Am I not,

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That's what I said.

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I don't think that you're wrong. I would just say

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this from a a on a personal standpoint,

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I've met with Jim now for a long time.

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I did his first game at Michigan, by the way, Remember

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we sat there.

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He wouldn't talk to me at that point. Now we're friends.

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None. Uh, that was your first like first

47:17

week at FS one. I'n't even get my hair right,

47:19

Let's go on. I remember that. I remember those

47:21

pictures. That's all right, it's better now. I

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just from the moment that

47:27

Jim that I met with that week before

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the Utah game, walking through

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those those subsequent years to

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the gym I just met with last week before

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the game is

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he'll say he hasn't changed. I'm

47:42

here to tell you he is wildly

47:44

different, wildly

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different. He is more

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approachable, he's more personable.

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He talks about his players in the most

47:55

glowing way of any coach that I

47:57

sit with. Okay, and this is something

47:59

that I really respect. I

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sit with coaches sometimes that take shots at

48:03

their players, and he doesn't

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do that. And he talks about how much

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he loves them and how much how much

48:10

he cares for what they have done to

48:12

build the program the right way. He

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talks about how much fun he has coaching

48:16

them. Then they come up and they talk

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about how much they love him

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and how much they love playing for him.

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Goosebumps.

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It's it's crazy because it wasn't always

48:26

this way. The culture of that program

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and his personality has changed

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dramatically in the last four

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or five years, and when when I sit

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now with that organization, it's

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like, it's going to be really tough to beat Michigan

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this year.

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Just for for anybody duly noted, how

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he talks to his players is how I talk about

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you behind you.

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Oh well that's not I'll tell you what lovingly.

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Same same. Everyone's

48:54

like, tell me about your sons, and I was like,

48:56

well, I have four