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like we're Redia. Guys love it so I

1:00

am. You know Tom

1:03

Brady yesterday talked about the NFL

1:05

is becoming mediocre? Did you see those comments?

1:07

He's not wrong?

1:08

A lot of totals this week down bad quarterbacks,

1:11

all right, so I want to address that. So

1:15

Tom Brady, and yes, scoring

1:17

is down in the NFL, very slightly,

1:19

fourth consecutive year, like a quarter of

1:21

a point. Some

1:24

of it, tom Brady says, is

1:26

you know what college football now gives

1:29

the NFL. Players are not coached,

1:31

they're bouncing around to programs and transferring

1:33

an nil and blah blah blah.

1:35

Everybody's moving and the quality

1:38

you're not coming from foundational programs.

1:40

It's everybody out for themselves. And there's

1:42

I'm sure there's all sorts of truths

1:45

in that, but to me, it comes

1:47

down to something that's very simple. Football

1:50

is better when quarterback

1:52

play is better, and we've had a lot of quarterbacks

1:54

hurt. And also because

1:57

owners now are not one hundred men

2:00

billionaires, they're billionaires, richer,

2:02

people get less patient, more

2:05

impulsive, demand their

2:07

way immediately, and people are

2:09

bailing on quarterbacks faster, they're bailing

2:11

on coaches faster. There's more chaos

2:13

in the league. Used to be an owner was

2:15

worth three hundred and fifty million, You would

2:18

ride that coach for the fourth year. Now

2:20

you fire him by Thanksgiving of year

2:23

two or three. So the money

2:25

in the league is added pressure and

2:28

made owners more impulsive,

2:31

firing left and right, bailing

2:33

on quarterbacks. Everybody feels

2:35

the pressure. That's the part of

2:38

it that I believe is true.

2:40

I don't know if there's data to prove that, but

2:42

it feels true. But the other thing

2:44

that I can say is beyond anecdotal,

2:46

because I see the ratings is college

2:50

and pro football are now

2:52

seeking more athletic quarterbacks,

2:54

and I'm okay with that. But

2:57

CJ. Stroud is the latest

2:59

quarterback who appears to be a

3:01

star. And suddenly the Texans

3:03

with Davis Mills went from unwatchable

3:06

to watchable. Why Because

3:08

CJ. Stroud completes a lot

3:11

of passes quickly to playmakers,

3:13

and nothing more fun in football than watching

3:15

playmakers make plays. Look

3:18

at the eleven quarterbacks I'm listing

3:20

on this chart to a party,

3:23

Josh Allen Goff, Trevor Lawrence Lamar,

3:25

Hurts, Dak Burrow, Mahomes. What

3:29

do they have in common. It's not size,

3:32

it's not arm strength.

3:35

The average completion percentage

3:37

is about sixty seven to sixty eight percent,

3:40

and these are all my favorite teams

3:43

to watch. Distribute

3:46

the ball quickly and accurately

3:49

to playmakers. And

3:51

there's nothing better in football than seeing

3:53

a Tyreek Hill or

3:56

a Justin Jefferson could

3:58

be a Cooper Cup to be

4:00

a brand in Iuke. You go to games

4:03

take away touchdowns, when do

4:05

you get out of your seat? You get

4:07

the ball to Jalen Waddle, You get

4:09

the ball to armor On Saint Brown, you

4:12

get the ball to DJ Moore play

4:14

as playing in space. What

4:18

hurts football now isn't

4:21

that quarterbacks are worse. No, the opposite

4:23

is true. They're better younger

4:26

than ever. The seven on

4:28

seven camps, quarterback

4:31

coaching starting in the sixth grade is

4:33

an industry. It's not

4:35

that the quarterbacks are worse, it's

4:38

that they now have to go to a second

4:40

coordinator and a third head coach

4:42

and a fourth quarterback coach in seven

4:45

years. Justin Herbert's

4:47

wonderful. He's on his third

4:49

coordinator, his second coach,

4:52

and they'll probably get rid of this coach at the end

4:54

of the season. Maybe I'm

4:56

too impatient, but when you're

4:58

asking young people to come into a

5:00

sport that is increasingly difficult.

5:03

Because the athletes on the defensive side

5:05

are bigger and faster, They

5:07

need more stability, they need

5:10

more quality coaching, they need

5:12

more patience. I

5:15

could tie all of this to the owners. When

5:18

somebody ask yourself, let's

5:21

say you made sixty thousand a year.

5:24

You watch every penny. Now

5:26

you make one hundred twenty thousand a year,

5:29

I kind of blew. Seventy okay,

5:31

seven hundred, okay, twelve hundred

5:34

dollars in Vegas. You can still pay

5:36

your cable bill. Now you make three

5:38

hundred thousand a year. You

5:41

take an extra vacation, have a

5:43

third car, You don't need golf,

5:46

probably more more expensively,

5:48

more often than you should. Well,

5:51

think about being an owner where your net

5:54

worth goes from five hundred million to

5:56

nine hundred to seven

5:58

billion. I want what

6:00

you want, You want it now. You want

6:02

the coach to win now, you want the quarterback

6:04

to be great now, and it all

6:07

bleeds down. I've talked to

6:09

these gms. They

6:11

all joke the same thing. We're

6:13

all flipping burgers under

6:16

complete control from a billionaire

6:19

who wants his way.

6:21

Now.

6:22

The quarterbacks who get the best

6:24

coaches. That's why the landing spot is

6:26

so essential. I don't think Justin Fields

6:28

is great. I think he'd be better in green

6:31

Bay with that culture, that offensive

6:33

coach, that offensive line,

6:36

than Chicago, an old owner,

6:39

not connected defensive culture.

6:42

Young people need help. Go

6:45

watch college football this year. I find Oregon

6:48

and Washington Michigan

6:50

so much fun to watch. Why because

6:53

they have first round quarterbacks and

6:55

they have excellent playmakers. So

6:57

I don't think football's declining, but

7:00

I think the wealth has created

7:02

pressure. And we're asking

7:04

our young quarterbacks to be better now

7:06

and more quickly, and our coordinators

7:09

to win now more quickly, and our coaches

7:11

doin now and more quickly. And it's

7:13

more firings, more chaos, more

7:15

new people in the building. You know how lucky

7:18

I've been in my life. I've worked at two networks

7:21

and most mostly had the exact same bosses

7:23

producers. What if I had a new producer

7:26

every six months, a new cohort

7:28

every eight, a new owner

7:30

every four. Young

7:33

people need support. You

7:35

have to be so gifted to overcome

7:38

the turnstyle, the revolving door

7:40

of NFL owners and their whims and

7:42

needs. We're blaming the players.

7:45

It's not on them, it's the chaos

7:47

created above them. So

7:50

Dion Sanders

7:54

said something I really like this that

7:57

you know the transfer portal in the NIL.

8:00

It scared a lot of people because college football is

8:02

one of those sports that is really steeped in tradition.

8:05

I mean, the NFL is a business.

8:08

College football is about the plaque on the wall. There

8:10

are people been going to Oklahoma games. They've been

8:12

going for seventy years. They went to the school. I

8:15

mean they met their wife there. They

8:17

started kicking it in Norman and had six kids by

8:19

the time they got out. That deeply

8:22

embedded in your life. Football

8:25

is a business, right, and

8:27

so the transfer portal in the NIL

8:30

they kind of freak everybody out. Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa,

8:32

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa What are we doing here? And

8:34

Dion Sanders says, hey,

8:38

we're not for sale at Colorado.

8:40

Listen, We're not a ATM.

8:43

That's not going to happen here.

8:45

If you come to Colorado to play football

8:48

for me and the Colorado Buffalo's because

8:50

you really want to play football and receive

8:52

a wonderful education, and all the business

8:54

stuff is going to be handled on the back end if that's the

8:56

case.

8:57

But we are not an ATM.

8:59

You're not coming here to get rich unless

9:01

you really come here with a plan to go to

9:03

the NFL.

9:05

And get your degree, not

9:07

to come here and be money

9:09

bag yo. Okay, that a

9:11

wrapper, right.

9:14

I love that the transfer

9:16

portal and the NIL are not the

9:18

gold rush people seem

9:20

to think they were. Let's take the transfer portal,

9:24

y'all realize the guys that leave a program

9:26

are all leaving for the same three to four reasons, with very

9:28

few exceptions. They couldn't beat

9:30

out somebody at their school, they didn't

9:32

mesh with the coaching

9:35

staff, and they have a higher opinion

9:37

of themselves and their talent than reality,

9:40

so they leave. That's the overwhelming

9:44

rule of the transfer portal. You're

9:47

getting a used car.

9:49

And with the NFL, excuse me, and

9:52

with the NIL, it's

9:54

become NFL free agency. Unless

9:58

you have the culture set

10:02

wasting your money, just

10:04

wasting your money. You've got to have the

10:07

culture first. That's

10:09

why NFL free agents tend to work at

10:11

better franchises. So

10:13

if you go look at the top four to five programs

10:16

right now in the country, right now winning Georgia,

10:18

Bama, Michigan's

10:21

great this year, Oregon, Washington are great.

10:25

I couldn't tell you who

10:27

their NIL star is,

10:30

but I can tell you who USC's was.

10:35

Right.

10:37

If I know who's making money

10:39

on your team from nil, you're

10:42

probably not going to make the playoff. The

10:45

transfer portal and

10:47

nil explosion scared

10:49

a lot of people, But

10:52

once again, as we get to the end

10:54

of a college football season, it's about

10:56

four things, blocking,

10:59

tackling, coaching,

11:02

and culture. You are

11:04

wasting your money if you don't

11:07

have those four things rolling.

11:11

All right, good stuff today, A

11:14

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11:16

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11:18

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Rodgers, It's very interesting.

11:28

Aaron Rodgers says, Now he's got

11:30

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11:32

Zach Wilson's career and erosion,

11:35

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13:00

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13:02

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13:41

So I saw this that Aaron Rodgers

13:44

said yesterday that he

13:46

has some guilt, some

13:48

personal guilt over the Zach Wilson

13:50

benching.

13:54

Jack's a great kid, said Aaron. He's

13:56

a great kid.

13:56

A lot of these situations, certain

13:59

guys have escape goat and what

14:01

he's basically saying, it's not on Zach Wilson.

14:03

Now.

14:04

I don't think Zach is a very effective

14:06

quarterback, although I do think he would

14:08

probably be better if he had a better offensive

14:10

coordinator. Oh

14:13

wait, they hired Aaron's friend, Nathaniel

14:15

Hackett. Desperate businesses

14:18

do desperate things. When

14:20

you get older. You see it time and time again.

14:23

The Jets basically said, Aarin, we

14:26

whiffed on a left tackle, we whiffed on

14:28

a quarterback. What do you want

14:30

to get here? So they hiled,

14:33

hired an offensive coordinator who

14:35

bombed in Denver as a head coach and did not

14:37

have much of a market. They

14:40

paid for Randall Cobb

14:42

no market, overpaid

14:44

for Alan Lazard, there was no real market,

14:47

and they signed an unnecessary

14:49

star running back Dalvin Cook. That's

14:52

oh for four Nathaniel

14:54

Hackett hiring he had no market,

14:57

Alan Lazzard, Randall Cobb, Dalvin Cook

15:00

all to appease Aaron. Now,

15:02

I do think Aaron's bright, not

15:04

as bright as he thinks, and he's always had

15:06

this sense that he's

15:09

his coaching acumen and his personnel

15:11

acumen are much greater than they are.

15:14

Remember he pouted and wouldn't get along with Mike

15:16

McCarthy. Can I give you some stats on

15:19

Mike McCarthy, who may not be my favorite

15:21

coach, But Mike

15:23

McCarthy before Aaron

15:26

Rodgers was

15:28

twenty one and eleven. Mike

15:30

McCarthy after Aaron Rodgers

15:33

and Dallas is thirty seven and twenty three

15:36

that's a sixty three percent win

15:38

percentage for the guy who can't

15:41

coach. That's higher

15:43

than Pete Carroll and Chuck

15:45

Noll and Tom Landry and Sean

15:48

Payton and Bill Parcells and

15:50

Joe Gibbs. Yes,

15:52

Mike McCarthy has a better win

15:54

percentage than virtually everybody

15:56

not named like Andy Reid, Belichick and

15:59

Shola. Again, he's not my

16:01

favorite coach, but he can

16:03

coach. Dak is having his best

16:05

year ever. Farv's last year

16:08

with McCarthy was excellent, and

16:10

Aaron Rodgers had some of his best years

16:12

with McCarthy. But Aaron didn't

16:14

want to play for him, bad mouthed him to

16:17

multiple people, three of them my sources.

16:20

Aaron has convinced himself he

16:23

is a coaching and personnel

16:26

guru. He's also convinced

16:28

himself he's a geopoliticist,

16:31

a shaman, and an epidemiologist.

16:34

He's none of them. He throws

16:36

a pretty football, really

16:39

really pretty football. He's a great quarterback

16:41

in his prime, although he's not now

16:44

one of the greatest quarterbacks.

16:46

He's not. But again,

16:49

you can feel guilt over Zach Wills.

16:53

But Zach.

16:55

That salary cap sort of clogged up

16:57

with Alan Lazard and a

16:59

spot take by Randall Cobb, and

17:02

there were better offensive coordinators on

17:04

the market, and as I said more

17:06

than once, Dalvin Cook was unnecessary.

17:08

You had Breece Hall capable backups.

17:11

Spend that money on a center or a right

17:13

tackle. You can feel all

17:16

the guilt you want. But Aaron

17:18

flexed. He didn't have a lot of power in

17:20

Green Bay. He now has it in New York, and

17:22

he flexed and he got things.

17:24

Though he will deny he had anything to

17:26

do with Lazard, Oki

17:29

Doki, But Zach's

17:32

not a star, not very efficient.

17:35

But Aaron certainly hasn't made it easier.

17:38

Nick Wright and I talked about this yesterday.

17:41

The Jets off season being the

17:43

Aaron Rodgers Friends and Family plan

17:45

was an unmitigated disaster. That's

17:47

undeniable. Cobb can't get on the field.

17:50

Alan Lazard is the

17:53

is at best at this point a number

17:55

three receiver, and that might be pushing

17:57

it. Nat Hackett has never

18:00

called a great offense

18:02

in the NFL. People like, oh, he was the OC

18:05

in Green Bay, Yes, but Lafleur was

18:07

calling the offense like There are so

18:10

many things that the Jets

18:12

did seemingly to play Kate Aaron that

18:15

that seemingly just had

18:17

no actual they weren't tethered

18:19

to winning football at all.

18:22

Yeah. Again, nobody's

18:24

denying that Aaron's a great quarterback,

18:27

but he fashions himself as

18:29

an expert in coaching and personnel

18:32

and lots of other things, and so do

18:35

many podcasters and people around this country.

18:37

I'm fine with it.

18:39

But you can feel all the guilt you want about

18:41

Zach Wilson. He's got some baggage

18:44

on this team. That's not his fault. He

18:46

didn't whiff on a left tackle. He didn't

18:48

hire Hackett, Alan Lazard, Randall

18:51

Cobb, Dalvin Cook. Some

18:53

of this is just on the culture of the Jets.

18:55

Desperate businesses do desperate things.

18:59

I wouldn't feel guilt. Zach was never going to

19:01

be a star in this league. But when

19:03

you flex and you have the occasional

19:05

power as an employee, be

19:07

careful how you use it. You can puncture

19:10

your momentum, Zach

19:12

Wilson's momentum and the franchise's

19:15

momentum.

19:15

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19:20

So we are in week twelve of the NFL. Officially,

19:24

two thirds of the season

19:26

are complete, got one

19:28

third to go. So here's

19:31

who I think is now in

19:34

my Super Bowl bubble. The teams in

19:36

the bubble can win. The teams on the outside

19:38

are missing something. So

19:40

the teams I have in the bubble are

19:43

Kansas City, Baltimore and Jacksonville

19:46

from the AFC,

19:49

San Francisco, Philly, and Detroit

19:52

that offensive line, that run game.

19:55

In the NFC, I think Buffalo

19:57

is close but too erratic. Miami's

20:00

close but has yet to beat a winning team,

20:02

and the Cowboys have clobbered awful

20:04

teams can't beat the good ones,

20:07

but they're close. Cincinnati

20:09

would also be in this bubble

20:11

inside it if Joe Burrow didn't get

20:13

hurt, So let's start with that. That would

20:15

be ten of the thirty two teams if Joe Burrow

20:17

was healthy, a third of the league. So

20:20

there's one hundred and thirty Division one college football

20:22

programs. About six are good enough

20:24

to play for a national title, about six.

20:27

There's thirty what thirty? NBA teams?

20:29

Three and maybe two Boston

20:32

and Denver can win the championship. That's

20:35

about it. So the fact that a third

20:37

of the NFL if Joe Burrow singularly

20:39

one player was healthy, I

20:41

think a third of the league can win the Super Bowl. And I think

20:44

you agree with me on all of that, with

20:47

one exception, the Dallas

20:49

Cowboys. You think they should be inside

20:51

that bubble. And I will say,

20:54

if you look at data, it would

20:56

lead you to believe I'm wrong,

20:58

and you would be right. Number

21:01

one point differential in the NFL. Dallas

21:03

number two scoring offense, Dallas, number

21:06

five scoring defense Dallas, and Dak's

21:08

having a career year.

21:10

He really is.

21:12

But they don't have a single win over

21:15

a team over five hundred. Look

21:17

at their wins the Giants twice, the

21:19

Jets, the Rams, Matt Stafford got

21:21

hurt, Panthers, Patriots, and arguably

21:24

the worst coach team in the league, the

21:26

Chargers. Everybody, including

21:28

Jordan Love, looks great against

21:30

the Chargers. So I have

21:33

said before and I'll say it again.

21:36

I need those last six games

21:38

of the year where it's a

21:40

bully against a bully. Washington.

21:45

Say what you want, it's a division

21:47

rival. This is

21:49

seven games. I'd probably go six Seattle,

21:51

Philly, Buffalo, Miami,

21:54

Detroit and at Washington. That's

21:58

the games I gotta see against the bully can

22:00

get physical, So because I think when

22:03

those games are

22:05

played, coaching, situational

22:08

football and details

22:11

matter. And there are two things

22:13

that if you look at that would deeply concern

22:16

me if I'm a Cowboy fan. That don't matter

22:19

in a blowout, don't matter when

22:21

it's a bully over a weaker roster. The

22:24

Cowboys are not good in the red zone

22:26

offense or defense. They're not

22:28

good in the red zone, and they're the second

22:30

most penalized team in the league. So

22:34

there's a lot of data that would indicate

22:36

Dallas is a super Bowl team, but

22:38

they're not going to get to play the Panthers or

22:40

the Rams, or the Giants or the

22:42

Jets. They're not playing any of

22:45

those teams in January. They're

22:47

going to play the Eagles and the Lions

22:49

and the Niners. Yes,

22:52

and when you play those teams, details

22:55

and situational football are crucial.

22:58

It's a bully on a bully, right,

23:01

and Dallas is

23:03

a heavily penalized team and

23:05

not very good in the red zone. It's

23:07

why I said I thought Derrick

23:10

Henry made a lot of sense for Dallas

23:12

at the trade deadline. Dereck

23:14

Henry. They'd be a better red zone

23:16

offense because Tony

23:18

Pollard's a two. He's not a power back,

23:21

and you can only get so clever and so tricky

23:24

in the red zone. If you're at the eight yard line.

23:26

Seventy percent of your playbook doesn't work right,

23:29

Like, there's just certain things you need, like a good old

23:31

line, a power running back.

23:34

So Detroit and Philadelphia and

23:36

the Niners. To me, Detroit,

23:38

Philadelphia and the Niners are

23:41

much better teams in

23:43

those tight spaces right

23:46

Detroit's run game and O line. Philadelphia

23:49

Jalen hurts their offensive line. San

23:51

Francisco Christian McCaffrey, Kyle Shanahan's

23:53

coaching devo, Samuel George

23:55

Kittle. So I think Dallas is one

23:58

of those four teams in the NFC, But it worries

24:00

me because they're more penalized

24:03

than the Eagles and the Lions

24:05

and the Niners, and they're worse offensively

24:08

in the red zone on average than

24:10

those teams. So that's

24:12

what it comes down to, is Dallas a bit of a

24:14

bully. Mike Tyson was

24:16

great in.

24:16

Ninety eight percent of his fights, but when he fed, when

24:18

he met an equal when he met a Evander Holyfield,

24:21

he met a Lennox Lewis,

24:23

and then you could tell Mike wasn't in good enough shape.

24:25

He didn't have a good enough corner. He didn't

24:28

have Then all the details

24:30

matter. And that's not all on McCarthy,

24:32

by the way, it's not. It's

24:34

just that's what worries me about Dallas. My Super Bowl

24:37

bubble once again, it's

24:39

big. There are a lot of teams now that have emerged.

24:42

But I have Buffalo Miami in Dallas, just

24:45

just on the outside. Buffalo

24:47

too inconsistent. Dallas worries

24:49

me with the details, and Miami has

24:52

not really beaten a quality

24:54

team yet.

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25:00

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25:04

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25:06

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25:09

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25:11

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25:13

zig Do you thought I was zagging on that?

25:16

That was very good?

25:17

Well done. So you have Ohio State,

25:20

Michigan world will be

25:22

watching you on Fox with Gus. I

25:24

will say this and I brought

25:26

this up to an Ohio State devoted

25:31

Ohio State person, I

25:33

said, it's pretty clear that Marvin

25:36

Harrison is the best college receiver

25:38

in a long time, and

25:41

it's pretty clear that CJ. Stroud's

25:43

really, really good. And

25:46

Michigan hammered you twice,

25:49

and now they have the better quarterback,

25:52

they're at home, and their defense

25:54

is as good as yours. There's parts

25:56

of me that look at this and think, like, what

25:59

am I arguing about? Michigan

26:01

is going to beat them convincingly? And

26:04

yet that Harbaugh

26:06

thing, I

26:09

guess. I look at some data and I'm like,

26:11

Okay, they're both good defenses, so it's not going to be a shootout.

26:13

I don't think so either. I think both defenses are going

26:15

to play well. But am I wrong to think

26:18

well beaten badly with c

26:20

J.

26:20

Stroud?

26:23

I mean, there's an elephant in the room here

26:25

that you're leaving out right. And

26:29

you know, having said that, though, I

26:31

think that head coach in situations like this is they

26:35

play a big part, more so

26:37

than in normal games. You know, when you get into

26:39

these In these games, the head coach

26:41

is so important for not only his decisions

26:44

but his demeanor, keeping people

26:46

relaxed and focused because the enormity

26:49

of the situation can overwhelm

26:51

players. Remember these are still nineteen

26:54

to twenty two year olds. Yeah right. And Jim

26:56

Harbaugh has been a coach for decades and he's been

26:58

successful wherever he's been. He's coached in a Super

27:01

Bowl against his brother like this, This wasn't

27:03

gonna bother him. He's just won two times

27:05

in a row. Like he wants to win, yes, but

27:07

he is seasoned in a setting like that.

27:09

And Ryan day is by the way as well. He's

27:12

been here as a coordinator and now a coach and he's

27:14

won it and he's lost it, and he knows

27:16

what to feel. Sharon Moore has

27:18

been the acting coach three times Bowling

27:21

Green and then in the last two weeks, and I

27:24

would just argue as good of a coach as

27:26

Sharon Moore is, he will

27:29

he will have to face something that

27:31

he's never faced before or

27:33

nor can prepare for. From

27:35

a feeling standpoint, from a pressure standpoint,

27:38

it's just going to be different. And I think

27:40

that in this type of a game, in the enormity

27:43

of the situation that has to be factored

27:45

in Ohio State is really good and they're playing

27:47

their best football too. No one wants to,

27:49

you know, look at this, but Ohio State's

27:51

offensive line has gotten so much better since

27:54

the beginning of the season. The fact that Traveon

27:56

Henderson is playing well, they're running back, he's

27:58

playing as well as any back in the country, like

28:01

period. He's that good. And

28:03

McCord. Everyone wants to take shots

28:05

of McCord and talk about how McCord is

28:08

not JJ McCarthy, And okay, he might not be JJ

28:10

McCarthy, he's still pretty damn good. This

28:12

is a guy that led a drive twelve play

28:14

drive I believe in the fourth quarter against Notre Dame

28:17

and won the game. And that was with

28:19

a banged up Marvin Harrison and a banged up

28:21

Traveon Henderson. So I think

28:23

it's probably a more even game than

28:25

what you're anticipating. The

28:27

Vegas guys know what they're doing, So three and a half

28:30

tells me it's going to be pretty low scoring

28:32

and it's going to be pretty close. So I would trust

28:34

face. So Vegas is right much more

28:36

than I am. I think that there's a giant

28:39

key in this game. Oh I want to hear. Okay,

28:42

maybe a little inside Football. But two weeks

28:44

ago Michigan had to run at thirty two times

28:46

in a row and finish the

28:48

game with thirty two runs, not

28:51

throw a pass in the second half, and everyone including

28:53

me, they were like, man, that was so impressive. Look at

28:55

them. You know, they imposed their will on the

28:57

opposition. Now there's

28:59

all a side of that. They had to do

29:01

that because they could not protect the passer.

29:05

Carson Barnhardt, the right tackle, who's

29:07

a good player. He was getting beat badly

29:09

in the first two series by good speed

29:12

rushers. Chop Robinson at Deza Isaac

29:14

for Penn stated they could

29:16

not block those guys and they abandoned

29:18

that. They didn't throw a drop back pass after the second

29:20

series of the game. Not one, call him not

29:22

one. Now you go into

29:24

a game where you got to face J. T. Twoey Moloau,

29:27

Jack Sawyer. Those are guys. But by the way,

29:29

both mid to late first round guys, aren't they Probably

29:31

Touey Moloaw certainly, maybe Sawyer

29:33

is playing himself. Tuiy Moloau

29:36

at times has has been a game

29:38

wrecord hen State. He was

29:40

the best defensive lineman in the country in high school.

29:42

He's been very a little, inconsistent and very good

29:44

at Ohio State. Okay, so now

29:47

my question is how Michigan protects

29:49

the passer. They didn't have Ladarius Henderson

29:51

one of their tackles last week. They got Miles

29:53

Hinton hurt. That hurts their depth.

29:56

He came in to replace Henderson. Where are

29:58

they at protecting the passer because I don't

30:00

believe against this Ohio State defense, as

30:02

veteran as it is, as sound

30:04

as it is, as quality as they have been

30:07

against the run, you can't do what

30:09

you did the last couple of years and just run

30:11

the football in the second half. You can't do

30:13

what you did to Penn State and just run at thirty

30:15

two straight points. So that's

30:17

going to be I think the biggest factor

30:19

in the game, as will Michigan be able to throw the ball.

30:21

Buck Guys are running the ball better now than a month ago,

30:24

way better, and that goes back to Trevion Henderson.

30:26

But I think he's the best back in the country in the last

30:28

month. Yeah, So, first

30:31

of all, you talked about some elephant

30:33

in the room. I mean, some stuff

30:35

flies over my head, but I think you're insinuating

30:38

the advanced

30:40

scouting. Well, I think Some people would say

30:42

that that had a giant effect on the last

30:44

two games. Other people would say it didn't have

30:47

enough. I just think it's an elephant in

30:49

the room. Well let's

30:51

talk about it.

30:52

Then.

30:52

Yeah.

30:52

You can't walk into a room with elephants and not talk about

30:54

them, right, It would be a discussion. If you and

30:57

guy walked into the studio there was an elephant, we would

30:59

be like, there's an elephant.

31:00

That's a good point.

31:00

Let's go. Okay, I do we get in here, Let's go. It

31:05

would be disingenuous for me, though I've been

31:07

pro Michigan to not admit

31:09

that knowing things before they

31:12

happen. You know, if I had a few answers

31:14

on my college exam, I go from an eighty to an eighty

31:16

eight, it helps. Okay, so you were a B student

31:19

mostly okay, could have been just didn't

31:21

want to had a good time in college. Some

31:24

of us had a better time than they should have. So

31:28

let's talk about that. So if

31:33

we acknowledge that they did have.

31:35

Some signals, I don't I don't doubt that. Sure in

31:38

your career, don't

31:40

you. I always have this feeling. Mac Brown talked

31:42

to me about the Longhorn Network. At the other place,

31:45

they had to change their signals more. Yeah, the Longhorn

31:47

Network.

31:47

Yeah, don't programs like Ohio

31:50

State and Michigan when you play a big TV game,

31:52

which for the Buckeyes in Michigan is like every third week.

31:54

Yeah, aren't you changing signals

31:56

all the time?

31:57

Yeah?

31:58

I think that you are. And I think that the advantage

32:01

that some people think was

32:04

was garnered by this scheme,

32:07

I think is overblown. Now,

32:10

if all of a sudden you can

32:12

say like, hey, this is a trick play,

32:15

or hey this is a seven man protection,

32:17

max protection, let's drop into coverage

32:19

like, those are big advantages. And there

32:22

are times where I know from from the

32:24

Ohio State side, they felt like that that

32:26

was going on. Now, having said that, let

32:29

me just let's tell you what. Let's let's do a little experiment.

32:31

Yeah. Okay.

32:32

So part of the problem is

32:34

is that in college football,

32:36

we don't allow quarterbacks. And this

32:38

is generally speaking, this is not specific to Ohio

32:41

State. Okay, So I want to put that preface out. We

32:43

don't allow quarterbacks to handle the

32:45

game on the field. We want them to look over

32:47

and get the signal and the coach in the box

32:49

and on the sideline is going to handle the

32:52

game. Well, at the NFL level, it's

32:54

different. You get the audio and then the quarterback

32:56

handles it at the line of scrimmage. Let

32:58

me give you an example of this. Okay, So let's

33:00

just say that that you're going to run and this is

33:02

by the way, that kind of the way I cut my teeth as a

33:05

player. And then with with the Lions and Saints

33:07

under under Sean Peyton,

33:11

you would get a couple of plays or a package

33:13

of plays in the huddle, okay, and it would

33:15

be all out of the same formation or movement.

33:17

Okay. So you would be like, you're gonna get

33:19

into east right, you know, a

33:21

blast to triple right, you disco.

33:24

Then you're gonna run a combination of whatever

33:26

plays. So you're gonna have ninety six power,

33:29

you're gonna have two hundred jet excellent y spacing,

33:31

and maybe you're gonna have like a

33:34

check alert to an all go special.

33:37

Okay, that's and that's what you got. So you've got these three

33:39

plays, well they're based on specific

33:41

defensive looks. Well, guess what you can do

33:43

as a as a quarterback. You don't need

33:45

the signal from the sideline. You can

33:47

get up and use a dummy color in your cadence.

33:50

You can do things like, hey, the first play

33:52

is gonna be ANNFC West City

33:55

and the second play is gonna be an

33:57

NFC city, NFC East

34:00

City. So you come up and you just get you know, give

34:02

a shout and you're just like, hey, Seattle, Seattle, you

34:04

know? Or or I said AFC, so

34:06

like Denver, Denver, okay, and

34:09

everyone's like, okay, we're running ninety six power.

34:11

And then you get in there and you can give even a dummy

34:13

color. Yellow was a dummy color.

34:15

What you're saying, you're like yellow nine, yellow nine,

34:17

And guess what, nothing's gonna happen. So no, not

34:20

defense moves and he's like, got it, Denver,

34:22

Denver, Here we go because we see the look. I

34:24

see that you're in two safeties not one safety.

34:27

Oh they're moving to one safety. Colin check check.

34:29

Here we go. What do we got in New York? New York? Now

34:31

we're in two hundred jet excellent? Why spacing?

34:34

So I can handle that with no signal

34:36

whatsoever. And we don't do that in

34:38

college football. We're not teaching the

34:41

quarterbacks how to handle. Here's

34:43

the other the offense on the field. I think,

34:45

and this is why I don't think the

34:47

signals is as big a deal as people

34:50

say. One. You're changing it all

34:52

the time too. You'd absolutely change

34:54

it for the rivalry game. I mean

34:56

there's too many family, there's too many there's too

34:58

much innermaniment. I don't want a minimum right.

35:00

If the rule is broken, rules broken, and you should

35:03

be punished. No, No, that's different. I'm

35:05

saying, what did it affect the outcome that you're

35:07

true, we're not. I'm not denying that if they

35:09

made a mistake, punish him. What I'm saying is what's the influence.

35:12

So Number one is everybody's

35:15

changing signs regularly, especially

35:18

when you face your rival. I mean you would

35:20

think. Here's the other thing. All coaches

35:22

when they're calling offensive plays, there's

35:25

only you know what I mean, Like even when because

35:28

all of a sudden end game is fine, Like

35:31

the kid comes over on the I mean

35:33

when you go to the sidelines, JJ mc. Let's let's

35:35

say you're talking

35:37

to your kid. You turn to the side on the bench and you say

35:39

we're going to run this, this, this, and that kid knows

35:42

the first two plays is he hits the field, okay,

35:44

And then sometimes you do signals,

35:46

other times you give it to a player to take it in. So

35:49

the idea that every play is signaled, every

35:52

play is stolen, I think is overstated.

35:54

Every game you're changing, I agree with that. Now,

35:56

was there an advantage garnered? Probably,

35:59

and that it's hard to swallow for Ohio

36:02

State fans, you know, and but

36:04

it's so fascinating just to I

36:07

think the it's one of these things I heard

36:10

this analogy. Are you Is anyone

36:12

else familiar with Free Solo? That's

36:14

the documentary about the rock climber.

36:16

Oh yeah, that's crazy

36:19

wild, right, and he climbs, you know, like l

36:21

cap with no rope.

36:22

Yeah. Yeah.

36:23

There was a line in that documentary, and that line

36:25

was, if you know a little

36:27

bit about rock climbing, you think this is wild.

36:31

And if you know a lot about rock

36:33

climbing, you think it's absolutely

36:35

insane. You know, like, the more you know, the

36:38

more you think that it's it's crazy. Well,

36:40

something similar, although not not totally similar,

36:43

you could say about football. The less

36:45

you know about football, the more you

36:47

think this impacted the actual

36:49

outcome of the game. The more you know

36:51

about football, the more you you

36:54

don't minimize it. You know, there was

36:56

an advantage gained here or there, but

36:58

it's certainly not every replay. You see

37:00

these clips on social media

37:02

of like it was third down and they knew

37:04

it was a pass. It's like, yeah, because the running

37:07

back was in front of the quarterback,

37:09

like just by alignment, I knew that

37:11

it was a pass.

37:12

Right.

37:13

So I think that the less you know about

37:15

football, the more you overblow this whole

37:17

situation. Having said that, I don't want to minimize

37:20

the fact that on the Ohio State

37:22

side, they feel like CJ. Stroud would

37:24

have won a Heisman Trophy. They feel like there

37:26

were a couple of calls that were stolen,

37:29

probably in advance from

37:31

that game, and that those plays would have changed

37:33

the outcome of the game. So both can be true.

37:35

Did it change the outcome? Maybe?

37:37

Maybe?

37:38

Is it as overblown as the Twitter

37:41

sphere wants to make it? No, No,

37:43

it's not. You know my favorite

37:45

line ever? Is it a

37:47

movie?

37:47

Dolly Parton and Steele Magnolias. If

37:49

you don't have anything nice to say about anybody,

37:52

why don't you come sit next to me.

37:55

I'm sorry that was a weird segue. Yeah,

37:59

let me throw this one at you another

38:02

one.

38:02

This show is always unpredictable,

38:05

It really is. So I said, the advantage

38:07

in a.

38:08

Rivalry game of getting stomped.

38:11

You're pissed, you're not

38:13

in a good You can sell that to the players. They humiliated

38:16

you, they stole our Heisman.

38:19

But this is different.

38:20

The angrier team is Michigan.

38:23

Who thinks they got screwed by the conference,

38:26

that their coach isn't on the field. So

38:28

the team that hammered

38:30

Ohio State feels like people

38:32

are stealing some see.

38:34

I I'm going to disagree with this premise

38:36

here. You'll never steal Magnolia's quote.

38:40

And and let me just shift the same premise,

38:43

okay, that you're talking about. Okay, just

38:45

bear with me for a moment. It's

38:48

not about being angry, Okay.

38:50

It's not about being more motivated,

38:53

all right, That's that's not a thing. A

38:56

thing is being more disciplined, more

38:59

folks on your preparation. And

39:02

I think what happened to Ohio State over

39:04

the last couple of years has

39:06

uniquely focused them on this matchup

39:10

and this game and what they need to do to win it.

39:12

Whereas what you're talking about about being pissed.

39:14

Michigan's pissed, Well, that doesn't do anything

39:17

for you unless that is turned into

39:19

and channeled into focus and

39:21

preparation. So if they're mad at

39:23

the conference, that's a distraction. The

39:26

quickest way to be defeated is to be distracted

39:28

and emotional unless you can channel

39:30

it into well, this is what we need to

39:33

do to have success. Because again,

39:36

the less you know about football, the more you'll think about

39:39

like, well, who's more motivated, who's made

39:41

It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter who's more focused,

39:44

who's more prepared, and what

39:46

are those teams used to focus

39:49

themselves in that unique perspective?

39:51

Very good, All right, couple college football

39:53

questions. First of all, Shark

39:57

gets his first career ten win season. Yeah,

40:00

does Texas have a shot to

40:02

get in there?

40:03

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, there's no doubt

40:05

now you know there there's a chance that they

40:07

get boxed out. What's the best case for

40:09

them? The best case in the Georgia,

40:12

I think is because then they then they're gonna

40:14

get it voted in over bam. I believe that that's

40:16

the case. Yes, it would It would help if Florida

40:18

State didn't look good against Florida

40:21

or Louisville beats Florida State. That

40:23

would that would help. It would help if

40:25

if Oregon were to Washington. But

40:28

you can make an argument that that

40:30

kind of takes the spot anyways, So why

40:32

not just Washington win in

40:35

that regard? Do you feel vindicate you? And I I

40:37

think feel a little vindicated on Harbaugh,

40:40

who people hammered for years, and I would

40:42

say Sark, Oh sure. I always

40:45

felt Sark was a

40:47

great coach. I thought we've

40:49

watched because he got a job so early at high

40:51

profile programs. He didn't gotta go

40:53

to Bowling Green like Urban Meyer, and then I

40:56

know Utah before we talked about Utah, and

40:58

all of a sudden, he's at Florida is like

41:00

Sark usc Washington.

41:02

They're like, whoaa, well those are I'm seeing

41:04

all your mistakes right out there. We pay attention to about

41:06

twelve programs in the country, right

41:09

and so it grows, And so I think we watched

41:11

Sark grow and people

41:14

I think still have

41:17

a total failure in

41:19

perspective of what he took

41:21

over at Washington. It was twelve

41:24

they were oh and twelve before he got for a

41:26

power five Conference. Everyone's like, day, Well, he didn't

41:28

even win ten games. He took over a

41:31

winless program. Winless.

41:33

You can't go winless as a Power five.

41:35

You play a directional school in your state.

41:37

And you can.

41:38

You can make a strong argument that that

41:41

Peterson had a bit more success

41:43

with with sark Era guys certainly

41:46

than he did when you know, it was just just

41:49

his guys, not not that Peterson's a poor coach,

41:51

because he's obviously sensational where sark messed

41:53

up admittedly so as he was a

41:55

train wreck personally at USC. Yeah, that's right,

41:58

and he went and he fixed himself. And I will tell you he's

42:01

he's sober. I'm sober, as

42:03

you know I've told I've talked about this openly. Yeah,

42:06

and let me just tell you what

42:08

type of guy he is.

42:09

Okay.

42:09

I see him on the field before the game. So we have our meetings

42:12

and everything, and it's a production meeting before the game

42:14

against Kansas State. Now, one

42:16

of the more intimate times that I

42:18

get with head coaches is before the game on the field

42:21

because the pressure's off, but the preparation

42:23

is done, and so you can kind of get him and they're like, well,

42:26

you know, here we go type of a mindset.

42:28

You know.

42:28

The first thing he said to mean this type of guy is he

42:30

looked at me. He put his arm in me and he's like, how you

42:32

doing?

42:33

Man?

42:34

And now you look at him and I'm like, what do you mean? And he's like, do

42:36

you go to meetings?

42:37

Do you you know?

42:37

And he wanted to ask me about my sobriety

42:40

And that's what we talked about for five minutes, and

42:43

I felt like he genuinely cared about

42:45

what I was going to. He was like, I'm proud of you. I was like, listen,

42:47

I'm proud of you. And his kids talk about

42:49

those players talk about him being honest

42:52

and upfront about what he's dealt with in

42:54

his life and it's made them a better team. And that's

42:57

what he talked about this last week in terms of culture.

42:59

So does that make him a great coach? You

43:01

know, no, But in some ways,

43:04

his vulnerability with his players, his

43:06

authenticity with what he's dealt with, has

43:08

made him a better coach today than

43:11

he was previously in his life.

43:13

And most people can if

43:15

they have vulnerabilities or

43:18

significant trauma, are not public

43:21

figures. So everybody knows about

43:23

you've been open about your shark Texas

43:25

football coach pay high profile gig so.

43:28

I think it's harder when you have personal

43:30

life chaos or trauma.

43:31

And I mean he's built a great program. Oh, first

43:34

of all, it was the first time

43:36

when they played Bama. I'm

43:38

like, they were just the better team.

43:40

Oh, they had bigger, better players. I'm like, I

43:43

haven't now Georgia has been

43:45

Bama's equal for years, a

43:47

little faster. I feel like it key spots,

43:50

but like Texas is, you don't see people that are bigger

43:52

than Bama. And I was like, oh, no, Texas got the better

43:54

player. Texas owned the line of scrimmage

43:56

on both sides of the ball. They had to get

43:59

a big drive. They leaned on

44:01

They leaned on the run game. So

44:03

their offense. So this by the way,

44:05

this narrative. They're like, well play them now, Bama's

44:08

better. Not at the

44:10

line of scrimmage. Sorry, that's the

44:12

same, and Texas was better. They went on

44:14

the field, was seven minutes to go, and the lead, didn't

44:16

leave the field, ran the ball nine straight times, didn't

44:19

throw a pass, didn't check to a run,

44:21

didn't throw an RPO, didn't trick anybody

44:23

handed the ball off nine straight times

44:25

finished the game on the field. Texas is just

44:28

better than Alabama.

44:30

Fine, I have to address this recency

44:33

bias, especially with iPhones.

44:34

Is powerful. People overreact everything.

44:37

Caleb Williams is gonna go number one and

44:39

he's gonna have a really good NFL career. And

44:41

I think Lincoln Riley's gonna be fine. He was

44:43

overly loyal to a defensive coach that was a bit over

44:45

his skis. I think USC will be fine. But

44:49

I believe I am now in a minority.

44:52

I am hearing a lot of people all over

44:54

the country saying Linco and his fools

44:57

go.

44:57

Oh man, I heard this too. And my take

44:59

is.

45:00

Eleven wins, ten wins and eleven fifty five

45:02

and ten. People don't get how bad us

45:04

he was when he took him over. They had like thirty

45:07

players.

45:08

Yeah, and they stumbled this year because

45:10

I think coaches because they vacation

45:12

and are very close to their assistance.

45:14

NFL is not the case. Everybody's just

45:16

a hired gun college. These coaches

45:19

travel together, recruit together, vacation together.

45:21

He stayed with some coaches due to loyalty.

45:23

And it burned in the Yeah, it did. And remember

45:26

Alex got on the plane, you

45:28

know, I mean, there's that's right, coming from

45:30

Oklahoma to USC. That's a great

45:32

point. And he got on the plane. Five guys

45:34

did, and Lincoln was taken

45:37

major heat. You remember how toxic

45:39

that was his exit from Oklahoma.

45:41

So I think he remained loyal

45:43

to him from that perspective. This

45:47

take that Lincoln Riley is a

45:49

terrible coach, so that it's it's

45:52

patently absurd. It's like dumb, it's

45:55

very very dumb. And I think you just

45:57

nailed it. I don't know if you know you nailed

46:00

it. That is a great point. Oh

46:02

yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that Alex got

46:04

on he got on the plane. And by the way, when

46:06

Saban went to LSU, no one got on

46:09

the plane. When Kiffin went to USC,

46:11

you asked those guys cause you got to leave in the middle of the night.

46:13

That's right, who's getting on the plane.

46:16

And you gotta be loyal for at least two

46:18

Alex Grench moved his whole family, yes, you

46:21

know, I know their wives were close, and

46:23

again like he was going to give him a chance to

46:25

make it right. And here's the thing.

46:27

In the end, guess who knew more

46:29

than anybody. Alex knew, you

46:31

know, in that game right right after he got fired.

46:35

I believe it was Washington, right was he

46:37

let go right after Washington? I think it was Washington.

46:39

I they was a great game, by the way, but I think it was Washington.

46:41

You could tell one of the plays late in the game.

46:44

I had never seen this. I've covered Oklahoma

46:46

and Alex Grinch and here at USC for

46:48

a long time. I knew Alex when he was at Washington

46:50

State or when he was at Ohio State for a year.

46:53

I'd never seen this reaction on the sideline

46:55

out of him ever. Ever, not one time. He

46:58

put his hands on his knee and his head

47:01

just sunk down, and you could tell like

47:03

he knew, he knew what Lincoln

47:06

was going to have to do. He knew, he

47:08

knew that he had been fortunate

47:12

that Lincoln was. I

47:14

think just stand up in the regard

47:16

that he kept him for that second year. I know, listen,

47:19

you can tell me like, well, who cares if he got on the

47:21

plane, that's a big deal. It's a big deal.

47:23

He got on the plane. Now,

47:26

stuff didn't help him stop anybody

47:28

the.

47:28

Way, but he got on the plane. Okay, so

47:30

let three lines today. The

47:32

first line was from the movie you saw, which was

47:36

the Alex Hanald Right. If you know a little

47:38

about rock climbing, you think it's wild, and if

47:40

you know a lot, you think it's really wild. Second

47:42

great line, Dolly Parton, if you don't have anything

47:45

nice to say about people, what you said next

47:47

to me right here? And the third one

47:49

is he got on the plane uncut

47:52

gems today.

47:53

And you know what, if

47:55

I was you, America, I would be thankful for that thanksgiving

47:58

me. That's

48:01

so bad.

48:02

That's so bad.

48:04

I'm thankful for the show on a Thanksgiving

48:06

week. I appreciate you always having me on. I really

48:08

enjoy our conversations. Oh

48:11

you're fan, buddy, you are

48:13

a fan.

48:14

You know.

48:15

Didn't even chime in. Your shirt's

48:18

louder than your mouth today. But

48:20

you know j Mak knows the thankful

48:23

well. I mean, I can be thankful and call

48:25

it out like it is. No you don't like this, you know, No I

48:28

didn't. I didn't say I didn't like it. It was

48:30

loud.

48:31

I would wear it a negative kind of tea.

48:32

No, no, no, no, not for you, no, not for you. Fair enough

48:35

The shirt looks good on you. Yeah, because I

48:37

mean we're literally a disco ball away

48:39

from Studio fifty four. Here we go, All

48:41

right, ray sweater?

48:44

You think there was a guy who like army colored

48:46

jeans and a gray sweater.

48:47

There's nothing dull about beige.

48:50

This is not beige? Is that green? And gray?

48:52

Said?

48:52

Okay, yeah, I guess my eyes.

48:54

Well the shirt, the shirt is bright in your eyes. It's

48:56

hard, Yes, it's hard. It wasn't a shot.

48:58

I like the shirt as as good

49:00

as anybody I've ever worked with. Buddy great seeing

49:02

you. I appreciate you, and you j Mac.

49:04

I'm sorry. I feel like I hurt your feelings and

49:07

you kicked my dog. You just took a shot

49:10

at the shirt.

49:10

Here