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Mark few Gonzaga basketball coach

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stops by before

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we get to the big games this weekend.

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The JJ McCarthy stuff is starting

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to feel like Zach Wilson. I'm

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not joking. And yesterday

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in Line Los Angeles damage

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Control, whatever you want to call it, all

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the big dogs in Los Angeles for the Dodgers,

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Otani spoke finally about

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what could be the biggest mess

1:13

baseball's had since the Pete Rose

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betting scandal.

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Right, A lot of gambling in sports

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stories this week got to love that, right, we do gambling?

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Well yeah, well let's start with that, Otani

1:23

said yesterday met with the

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media, read you

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know which, again from a foreign

1:29

country, needs an interpreter. I'm

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not bothered by Otani reading

1:35

what he wanted to say for about twelve

1:37

minutes. I know, cynicism

1:39

gets retweeted in America today

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and naivete gets mocked. I'll

1:44

be a little naive. He said. He never gambled

1:46

on sports ever, and he was ripped off and

1:48

lied to by his interpreter. So

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I just want to throw this out there. A

1:53

great athlete who's got a complicated

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game. He hits andy pitches, making

1:59

the most money ever by an American pro

2:01

athlete. That's the contract he signed.

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In those peak years. As

2:06

a young athlete, you

2:09

are focused on your sports,

2:12

your endorsements, your training, your

2:14

performance. You

2:17

have to trust your body to people, your

2:19

money to people, your career to people. Even

2:22

paying taxes for a pro athlete, every

2:24

state taxes you differently. And

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when you make Otani money, when you make

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celebrity money, these aren't accountants,

2:32

these aren't business people, and most

2:34

of the time they're twenty three years old. Kareem

2:37

Abdul jabbar an academic

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ripped off. John Elway

2:42

went to Stanford, lost fifteen

2:44

million dollars in a Ponzi scheme. Tim

2:49

Duncan, Kevin Garnett lost

2:52

tens of millions. Robert

2:54

de Niro lost eighty eight million

2:56

dollars, Billy

2:58

Joel lost ninety million. They're

3:01

artists, they're celebrities. They're

3:04

focused on their gifts, and

3:06

they're often young and rich and

3:08

distracted. And there's those

3:10

peak years for an actor, a celebrity.

3:13

Again, these people, they're the opposite

3:16

of accountants. It's all personality,

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it's all art. It's

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not about numbers. Most people are

3:23

turned off by that stuff. Who are artists

3:25

and athletes They don't care about that. They weren't

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raised around people that were, you know, buying

3:30

hedge funds and mutual funds. They don't

3:32

know a foreign land. You need

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an interpreter to speak to the

3:37

media. Maybe I'm naive.

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I can see them get ripped off. I've seen school

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funds get ripped off. I've seen banks

3:44

get duped and bankers

3:47

and economists and charities

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and companies. So for

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an international player who

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needs an interpreter to just

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speak to the media

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when he says I don't gamble on sports, and

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I get totally ripped off. Maybe

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I'm naive I can get it. I

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mean, how many times a week do you

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get an email or a

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scam phone call? I must

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get six phone calls a day a

4:17

day, and it says on my phone

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potential scam. I

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get emails constantly and

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some I had my wife

4:26

have to talk me out of something about a year ago.

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They said I owed back taxes and I had to

4:31

send money. I was duped. My

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wife's like, I would call your accountant.

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I did. He said it's fake. It's the

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second person I've seen get

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this, and it looks incredibly authentic.

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So like Otani, different

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country, every state's got different

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laws and rules on gambling and taxes.

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He's a celebrity, and

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how do you rip somebody off? You get proximity

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to that person? Numbers names. An

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interpreter is about the cl ally

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you can have. Oh Taani to me

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is a brilliant kid. I saw a lot of people in the

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media yesterday. He's just reading. He's

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just reading his answers.

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Well, if I was a sportscaster and moved

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over to Asia, I would read my

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answers to at a press conference if

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I was in perceived hot

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water, right

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like, I think we're trying to be a

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little sinister or a little We're

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all being cynics here. Nobody

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is buying the reality of young people,

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young celebrities who in my

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life have been ripped off, and the scams

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are getting much more sophisticated. So

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I don't know, I'm gonna be naive here.

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I can see a young kid getting

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ripped off, not really having a clue.

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But Colin, his initial story was

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different than this story. I can see him

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initially trying to help out

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the interpreter, who it's been

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reported was his all his best

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friend in the country, sort

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of trying to help the guy out, and then

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realizing, oh, this is way worse than I

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thought. I've really been ripped off. I'm ticked

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off. The Dodgers had to fire him

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again. I've seen it my whole

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life, young rich celebrities, Billy Joel,

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Robert de Niro, John Elway, Kareem,

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Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan. I

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mean, there was an agent years

6:23

ago that I think was in

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the NFL that ripped off dozens

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of athletes. That's why

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leagues have these rules

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that you have to qualify to just

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be an agent, and they're pretty darn strict.

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It's why there's only a handful of agents

6:39

in baseball Scott Boros football

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and the NBA. There's about six agents

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per sport that have all the clients,

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and part of that is they're trusted

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by the league. So file

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me under naive, file

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me under not going to be as a

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cynical media person. I kind of believe

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the kid got ripped off. I

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do, and if I'm wrong, I

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actually hope he got ripped off. I

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hope he got ripped off. I hope it goes away.

7:08

I hope the kid's career doesn't go into the

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tank. I hope he ends

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up elevating baseball. I hope

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he's a star for a great organization. Yeah

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I do. I don't like talking about this

7:19

stuff. I don't root against kids. I'm

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hoping he got ripped off. I really That sounds

7:23

so weird to say, but that would

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be the best conclusion. He was naive.

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The interpreter took interpreter took him

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for a ride.

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You know.

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The good news is he's pushed all his money down the road,

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so the big chunks of his money don't happen for

7:36

years, so he'll overcome it. A lot of these athletes

7:38

and celebrities, it's at the end of their career,

7:40

past their earning years, so

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potentially it's quick.

7:46

It's ugly, he got robbed, and

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it's over. That's what I'm hoping for

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and today that's what I believe we'll

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see. All right. It

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happens every few years, and

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it happens a lot with quarterback. Is

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all of a sudden, you watch a college quarterback

8:03

in your life, it's pretty good player. He'll

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go like late first round, early second round,

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and all of a sudden, he starts flying up

8:10

the draft board. He doesn't play

8:12

any games. Maybe he had a good combine,

8:16

but a combines in shorts, there's no

8:18

defense. His pro day, you're throwing

8:20

to college teammates. That has

8:22

become JJ McCarthy. According

8:25

to a story this morning, many believe

8:27

he'll be the second player picked. Folks.

8:30

He had twenty two touchdown passes in

8:32

fifteen games. Caleb

8:36

Williams had ninety three touchdowns

8:39

with bad offensive lines the last two years

8:41

at USC, JJ McCarthy

8:44

had twenty two touchdowns in fifteen games

8:46

with a great o' line. A great run game, a great

8:48

coach, a great defense. Caleb

8:51

Williams bow Knicks, Michael Pennix,

8:53

Drake May, and Jaden Daniels all averaged

8:55

over three hundred yards of games passing. JJ

8:58

McCarthy last year did it one time against

9:01

awful four and eight Perdue. He averaged

9:03

under two hundred yards throwing. This

9:05

is starting to feel like Zach Wilson of the

9:07

Jets, where he has a couple of throws on his

9:10

pro day. We start going, ooh, his

9:12

arm. He moves well, there's a

9:14

lot of zip. Both he and Zach

9:16

Wilson are six to three and in my opinion,

9:18

a little spindly. I

9:22

don't know. JJ McCarthy's

9:24

college experience is not the NFL.

9:27

I said this a month ago. It's very Alabama

9:29

quarterback. You always have the best coach,

9:31

You always have a lead, you

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always have a great O line, you always

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have protection, you always have a great run

9:37

game. If he goes number two, like

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the executive says, you

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go to Washington that was the thirty second

9:44

ranked offensive line, You'd go from the best

9:46

college O line to the worst NFL line.

9:49

You'd go from the first or second best college run

9:51

game at Michigan to the twenty seventh run

9:53

game. It would be

9:55

the opposite of your Michigan experience.

9:58

Caleb Williams actually goes

10:00

to the Bears, They'll have much better offensive

10:03

pieces than USC did. It'll

10:06

be like cruise control. He's thrown

10:08

to two star NFL receivers. He

10:10

had one in two years at USC. The

10:13

Bears appear to have their run game and offensive

10:15

line right, and two capable tight

10:17

ends Cole Comet and Gerald Everett.

10:22

To me, the guys that succeed

10:24

in this league, their college experience

10:27

mirrors their NFL experience.

10:29

That's why Ohio State's had so many great college

10:32

quarterbacks, and c J. Stroud is the first

10:34

one. We're like, whoa, whoa, we got a star

10:36

here. Because Ohio State has

10:38

such great players, they're always leading, they're

10:41

never behind. They get protection. And

10:43

so when I look at the JJ McCarthy situation,

10:45

it's very TUA, you know, it's very

10:47

Bamma quarterback. It's Arry mac Jones. I mean,

10:50

there are things I like about him, but

10:52

I mean, second, Drake

10:54

May's bigger and stronger. Caleb Williams,

10:57

much more explosive, better

10:59

numbers across the board. He can hit three hundred

11:01

yard passing game one time. Lance Zerlin,

11:03

who I bring on this show. Dad was an NFL

11:06

coach. He works at NFL dot Com. He scouts.

11:08

He said, McCarthy should continue

11:10

to improve as a passer, but

11:13

he fails to stand out in many areas

11:15

that tend to be predictive of top level

11:17

success in the NFL. And now we

11:19

have him going number two. He was

11:22

very efficient at Michigan,

11:25

he was rarely, if ever, dynamic

11:28

dominant. He never asked to carry

11:30

the team. I mean, I said,

11:32

from the very beginning, I didn't really get

11:34

it, and I never got Zach Wilson. And

11:37

there are things I like about him. It's awesome

11:39

to have Jim Harbaugh as a college coach because

11:42

he coaches like an NFL coach. He brings

11:44

that NFL intensity and

11:46

so I like that. But

11:48

the last three years, Michigan's

11:51

been beating Ohio State, and the reason they've been beating

11:53

him the run game and the defense.

11:56

The Michigan defense better than Ohio States,

11:58

and the Michigan physicality run game better

12:00

than Ohio States. So

12:03

I I mean, I'm

12:05

not an anti JJ McCarthy, but

12:07

I always it always cracks me up. I mean, you have

12:10

NFL coaches now not even going

12:12

to the combine. You have GMS rolling

12:14

their eyes at the combine. The Rams don't send anybody.

12:17

That pretty good franchise. They don't send anybody,

12:19

And we're falling in love with combines and

12:22

pro days. Watch

12:26

out if you go look at

12:28

the history of the NFL quarterbacks. Isn't

12:31

it remarkable how many of them

12:33

did not go to power schools. Big Ben

12:35

went to Miami of Ohio for

12:38

a while. The cow Bears had three quarterbacks

12:41

in the NFL, and so did NC State.

12:44

Why because the college experience

12:47

for Aaron Rodgers not playing with five

12:49

star guys or Matt Ryan at Boston

12:52

College, or Russell Wilson

12:54

at NC State or dak at Mississippi

12:57

State or Kirk Cousins at

12:59

Michigan State. They

13:01

have to carry the team. They don't get great

13:03

protection, they don't play with leeds,

13:06

they don't always have a great run game. They

13:08

have to play from behind. That's very

13:10

similar to the NFL. I mean,

13:12

you would think the NFL would be a bunch

13:14

of USC in Oklahoma and

13:16

Ohio State and Notre Dame quarterbacks

13:19

in Alabama. It's not Patrick

13:22

Mahomes goes to Texas Tech. Josh

13:24

Allen goes to Wyoming. Why

13:27

because they lived a real NFL

13:29

experience, playing from behind, playing

13:32

with less talent, with a second best coach.

13:34

I mean, Michigan is like Alabama, best

13:37

coach, best a line, best run game,

13:39

best field position, best defense. Now

13:42

he's flying up the board. I'm

13:44

not saying he's not a franchise quarterback. If

13:46

he goes to Minnesota.

13:50

Now that works. He can sit

13:52

for a year Commanders, He plays

13:54

Day one Commanders. He gets

13:56

a defensive coach, the only in his division,

13:58

Minnesota offense coach. Minnesota's

14:01

got a better O line with

14:04

Aaron Jones, a better run game, dominant

14:06

receivers, top tight end. The

14:09

Minnesota JJ McCarthy

14:11

landing spot where he can slowly

14:14

sit for a year behind Sam Darnold. That

14:17

could work. Washington

14:20

play now, defensive

14:22

coach, horrible O line, no run

14:25

game. That doesn't

14:27

sound like it's gonna work at all. Jmack,

14:31

I know you're rolling your eyes. You love JJ

14:33

McCarthy, but this thing is going.

14:36

That was quite a rent there. I was looking

14:38

up as you were sitting you and you're prattling

14:40

on about production in college.

14:42

I was like, it doesn't matter that much. Cam

14:45

Newton one year starter at Auburn.

14:47

Only one year. I know Cam was the he was

14:49

arguably we knew he was the greatest one

14:51

year of college quarterbacking ever.

14:53

Correct.

14:53

So then I found another guy, Joe Flacco. Now

14:55

he was a multi year starter at

14:57

Delaware, become huge arm, huge

15:00

athlete. He was a great

15:02

prospect. So the other guy is Jay Cutler who started

15:05

for three years at Vanderbilt. But his stats were

15:07

very, very modest.

15:08

But that's not Remember Jay

15:11

Cutler played at Vandy. He trailed.

15:14

They had the second best talent in every game

15:16

he played. These Alabama

15:18

quarterbacks, none of popped.

15:21

You always play with the lead, you

15:23

always have the best coach, You always

15:25

have protection. Matt Lionerd at USC

15:28

under Pete Carroll. I think he got hit four times,

15:30

I mean really popped. It's like it's a different

15:33

experience.

15:34

So is the argument that McCarthy

15:36

just didn't have enough experience.

15:38

Stats in his college experience

15:40

for the last three to four years will

15:43

not even resemble his

15:46

NFL experience. But

15:48

he won't even resemble it. He's going to be

15:50

under duress on every play. I

15:53

mean, that's why the COVID year gave

15:56

us all the bad quarterbacks. Teams rearranged

15:58

the deck chairs on their skin, which

16:02

always has a tough schedule, played an easier schedule,

16:04

and Zach Wilson was really good in his pro day

16:07

and you played less games and there was zoom meetings.

16:10

That's not the real world to get to the NFL, and Zach

16:12

Wilson is literally completely over

16:14

his skis. It's a tsunami of New York

16:16

press and New York intensity in a bad old

16:19

line. No more coastal Carolina.

16:21

So I guess the big argument would be, well, listen, Jim

16:23

Harbaugh knows quarterbacks. He's the

16:25

one who said I want Colin Kaepernick

16:27

in the second round. I rip somebody aggregated something

16:30

from Michael Lombardi saying Jim

16:32

Harball loved Tony Romo, he had

16:34

him as his favorite quarterback coming out. They

16:36

didn't end up drafting him. But Harbaugh

16:38

does no quarterbacks. So it's like, hey, do you trust

16:41

the numbers and the production or do you trust

16:43

Jim Harball.

16:44

Well, Jim Harbaugh also has something

16:48

up his sleeve. Perhaps JJ

16:50

McCarthy going up

16:52

the draft boards would then provide

16:55

four top five quarterbacks,

16:58

not three, so right now,

17:00

now, Penix Bonix and McCarthy six

17:02

months ago were seen as secondary

17:05

guy later first, and everybody

17:07

was talking about Drake May and Caleb a year ago, and

17:09

Jade and Daniels wins the Heisman. But

17:11

if McCarthy then moves up to a top five

17:13

or six guy, oh who has the number five pick

17:15

the Chargers and hardball, and so therefore

17:18

they come rushing up the board. Jim can trade

17:20

back because Jim Nody needs a right tackle, a

17:22

center, two receivers, a tight

17:24

end, a corner, a defensive tackle.

17:26

Jim needs picks. Jim needs

17:29

extra picks. They have an extra four, he needs

17:31

an extra one.

17:32

Just so people know this whole odds

17:34

to draft second overall, they're very

17:37

low limits. You can't go put two thousand dollars.

17:39

You cannot do that. So I

17:41

don't know. I'm very suspect of McCarthy

17:43

going second overall.

17:45

Come on, I just I'm following journalists.

17:48

Yes, yes, Big Jay, it's

17:50

fascinating.

17:51

Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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17:59

App so the NFL Draft Kings

18:02

yesterday came out with NFL

18:04

win totals, and this

18:07

is what they do for a living. I've said this before.

18:09

The truth serum in

18:11

all of sports is Vegas. Even

18:14

when Vegas sees

18:16

a pattern they don't like. They're

18:18

the first ones to discover you

18:21

can have a gambling problem a certain situation

18:23

and the NBA going on right now. So

18:26

DraftKings comes out and says, here's

18:28

the win total. I tend to bet under on

18:30

win totals. They're kind of you know, everybody's

18:33

optimistic. Every prediction

18:35

is rows colored glasses, So

18:38

I tend to bet unders. But there

18:40

were three different takes

18:44

from the wind totals yesterday. First,

18:46

the kirk Cousins take the

18:49

Vikings, who have a lot of

18:51

personnel and an excellent young offensive

18:54

coach. They're win totals six and a

18:56

half and the Falcons

18:58

is ten and a half. Minnesota's

19:01

got much better players. Why

19:04

kirk Cousins. Kirk

19:07

Cousins is really good. Vegas gets

19:09

it. DraftKings gets it. People inside the

19:11

league get it. Shanahan likes him,

19:14

McVeigh likes him, Kevin O'Connell likes

19:16

him. He's just really expensive six

19:18

straight years, he's given you sixty

19:20

five percent or more completion percentage.

19:23

Third in passing touchdowns since he joined

19:25

the Vikings. Do you know since

19:28

he joined the Vikings he has fifty six fourth

19:30

quarter touchdown passes, more

19:33

than Patrick Mahomes and

19:35

Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

19:37

Matt Stafford. The

19:40

Atlanta and Minnesota numbers

19:42

illustrate how much Vegas

19:46

and DraftKings respect

19:48

Kirk Cousins. The guy can

19:50

deal now. He's the opposite of justin fields.

19:53

It's never spectacular, it's

19:55

always efficient. It's never

19:57

wow, it's always but

20:00

it's really really successful.

20:03

My second takeaway is the

20:06

Bears win total is eight and a half. Draft

20:10

Kings in Vegas are telling you Caleb

20:12

Williams is gonna work because the division

20:14

is going to be better this year. Green Bay's young

20:16

and only getting better. Detroit

20:19

is young and only getting better. Both

20:21

of them over and under ten and a half on DraftKings.

20:24

So what they're telling you is Ryan Poles,

20:26

the GM of the Bears, who had a rocky start,

20:29

has had a very good last year.

20:32

Dj Moore, Trade Keenan

20:34

Allen, Jerald Everett, DeAndre

20:37

Swift, draft capital on the

20:39

old line. Montez Sweat deal

20:41

was a big hit, So it's telling

20:43

you Caleb Williams is going to work.

20:46

This is a much better situation in

20:48

an improved division. Eight

20:51

and a half is a viable playoff

20:53

team. Pretty impressive

20:55

they're buying into Caleb Williams. And

20:58

the third takeaway is thems that

21:00

won ten games last year

21:04

are at eight and a half. That

21:07

shows you the respect for Aaron Donald.

21:09

The Rams won ten games last year,

21:12

almost beat Detroit in the playoffs. They

21:15

have eleven draft picks, and last year

21:17

they had five different home runs in

21:19

the draft outside of the first round. They

21:22

hit home runs in the fifth round, home runs a couple

21:24

of them in the third round. They can draft. They have eleven

21:27

picks, They have a top five coach,

21:29

a top six quarterback, a top

21:31

ten passing receiving duo,

21:34

eleven draft picks, and

21:36

they think they're going to win only eight and a half

21:39

games. Seattle still doesn't

21:41

have a star quarterback. We don't know if

21:43

Arizona's got the right coach. They're not a very good

21:45

team. The NFC's weaker and they're

21:47

downgraded from ten wins last year

21:49

and momentum and could have beaten Detroit in the playoff

21:51

game to eight and a half. That

21:54

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21:56

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21:59

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22:42

Cowboys and Dak Prescott have

22:44

a mutual understanding of his contract

22:47

situation and there

22:49

are no offers from Dallas

22:51

despite him being in a contract year.

22:54

Owner Jerry Jones said, we are where we are

22:56

loaded and locked for this year. No

22:59

in vdcation, A deal is coming.

23:03

That's exactly the way it should be played.

23:05

I think Jordan Love of the Packers

23:08

really opened eyes. There were a lot of

23:10

people that were on the Justin

23:13

Fields is the man, even

23:17

Chicago Media Week twelve

23:19

thirteen still selling that.

23:22

And then Jordan Love faced Justin

23:24

Fields in the last week, and the

23:26

gap between Jordan Love

23:28

and Justin Fields in the same division

23:31

was the Grand Canyon, and

23:33

you could no longer look at Justin Fields

23:35

three years as a starter and go we

23:38

got to play Jordan Love twice a year. This

23:40

is not good enough. I think

23:42

similarly, Jordan Love going into

23:44

Dallas with all those young receivers,

23:47

youngest playoff teams since the nineteen seventy

23:49

Bills. Jordan Love walking

23:51

into Dallas and clearly

23:54

being more athletic, more

23:56

ready for the moment than Dak Prescott

23:59

was a complete eye open. Jordan

24:01

Love is much more talented than Dak Prescott.

24:04

You are not a serious football operation.

24:06

If Dak Prescott gets a contract and the

24:08

first number is six, you're not a

24:10

serious football operation. I

24:14

always say this, if you want to pay somebody a lot of

24:16

money, what's the market? I

24:19

mean, the Kansas City Chiefs are the best run team in football.

24:22

Lagerius Sneed was a good corner he

24:24

wanted top of the market money, and

24:26

they said, we're

24:29

going to trade you for a third rounder. That

24:32

was the market. The market tells you what

24:35

you're worth. What is Dak getting

24:37

on the open market? So

24:41

again I think he's got a market.

24:43

You're not making fifty eight million on the market.

24:46

I don't believe, So, you

24:49

know, I this is one of these

24:51

things, is when I talk about the

24:53

Cowboys with Dak, it's always the same thing. I

24:55

like him, but you're paying him.

24:58

I love him money, you

25:00

gotta pay I love him

25:03

money when you love him. Stafford

25:06

Maholmes, Allen's

25:09

I love Joe Burrow. If he gets hurt

25:11

again, I may change my opinion on Burrow.

25:13

I love that quarterback, justin Herbert.

25:16

I'll pay him. I love you money. The Cowboys

25:19

pay I love you money for a quarterback inside

25:21

the building. They may

25:23

love him as a person, but they like him as

25:25

a quarterback. This is not a regular

25:28

season league. The NFL

25:30

is not baseball, where you romanticize

25:32

the past and it doesn't matter if you never

25:35

win a World Series. It's almost covered.

25:37

Like writers have their baseball gloves

25:39

since when they were eight, and they go to the park each

25:41

night and it's all about the game. And now

25:44

it's about winning in

25:47

January and February. That is

25:49

the NFL. Nobody cares about the

25:51

regular season. Ryan Tannehills won a

25:53

lot of regular season games. Nobody

25:55

cares. So I think Dak Prescott

25:58

is a regular season champ. If

26:00

I'm paying you, six is the first

26:03

number you either have to be an

26:05

extraordinary talent. Josh

26:07

Allen is undisputably a world

26:09

class talent. He hadn't gotten Super

26:11

Bowls either, But nobody thinks Josh Allen is

26:13

less talent than Dak Prescott. The gap there

26:15

is very wide in league circles.

26:17

Okay, so let's play the game.

26:19

Colin.

26:19

You said, basically,

26:22

you know you're not paying Dak of five or six, which

26:24

I get.

26:24

So let's do it.

26:25

Let's play it out. So the Cowboys say, thank you,

26:27

Dak, We're.

26:28

Not doing that.

26:29

You now hit the open market. Dak is on

26:31

the market. Yeah, Kirk Cousins just hit the market.

26:33

He was stepped up in like thirty seconds by

26:35

the Falcons, who may have tamp by the way just

26:38

to get.

26:38

Him a team with the great old line,

26:40

great young weapons in a terrible division.

26:43

So Kirk in that division works. You're

26:46

not going after Kirk in the AFC

26:48

West, the NFC

26:51

North, the AFC North. Kirk Cousins

26:53

in that division has absolute value.

26:56

But that is the weakest division in football.

26:58

Now, if the Saints want to go after Dak

27:00

in that division, that's different. But

27:02

I'm just saying Kirk's value.

27:05

I mean, even the Vikings and their brilliant offensive

27:08

coach said we can't pay you that. We're

27:10

gonna go with Sam Donald and

27:12

they know Kirk Cousins is better than Sam Darnald.

27:14

But they said, in our division with Goff Jordan

27:16

Love, here comes Caleb Williams, stacked

27:19

offensive rosters, Kirk, we

27:21

can't pay you that.

27:22

Are you saying, do you think Dak would get

27:24

forty from someone else?

27:25

Yes?

27:26

Yes, okay, okay, that's fine, forty

27:28

two, forty three in the Kirk Cusins, But you start

27:31

talking fifty six for that problem.

27:34

You know in that division where Philadelphia

27:36

is well run, Washington looks like they

27:38

got a lot of momentum going with them.

27:41

I mean, I just it's I can like

27:43

somebody, but then I want to pay him. I

27:45

like you money, you can't

27:48

pay I love you money. Do I like you cornerbacks.

27:50

So that's the problem. Dallas is Hamstrong.

27:52

Hey, I'm your guy. I've been here forever. Pony

27:55

up, pay the top dollar and like Minnesota

27:57

said with Kurt, we're not doing that.

28:00

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28:02

and noone Easter, not a em Pacific.

28:04

Well, we had Mick Cronin

28:07

on the UCLA coach yesterday and I asked him

28:09

about certain programs and I said, how do you explain

28:11

the Gonzaga success And he said two words,

28:13

Mark few. They have made nine straight

28:16

Sweet sixteen appearances. That

28:19

is if you're Carolina Duke

28:22

Villanova. And I've said this, that's

28:24

what Gonzaga is now. It is a

28:26

top five college basketball program

28:28

in the country. Now they have a very humble

28:31

head coach, Mark fu who

28:33

let's bring him on and let's you know, first

28:35

of all, he's just gonna give

28:37

me crud. Go ahead, take

28:39

your shot at me about squeezing college

28:42

basketball in Mark, go ahead, I'm ready

28:44

for I can handle it.

28:45

You already did that for me. And I

28:48

think you're calling out the combine,

28:50

which I'll pit you on that.

28:51

Usually you spend you.

28:53

Know, seven weeks talking about it. So

28:55

if we could shrink that down maybe three or four

28:58

and embrace the greatest

29:02

tournament, you know, and postseason

29:05

the college Basketball NCAA,

29:07

that'd be great.

29:08

Well, it is great, and you

29:10

guys have your hands full. So one of the things

29:12

you've done at Gonzaga is that you'll play the Yukons,

29:15

You'll play the Michigan States, You'll play the Kansas.

29:18

So you've played Yukon, who

29:20

I think is the best team I saw in college basketball this

29:22

year. You played Purdue earlier

29:25

Purdue Zach etes

29:28

just true. So do

29:31

you just say that he gets twenty

29:33

five and all shut down everybody else? What is

29:35

a game plan against Zach.

29:38

Colin?

29:39

And this will be the We played him last

29:41

year in the PK eighty five and your

29:44

old hometown Portland, and and

29:46

this year we played him in Maui back in November.

29:49

And I mean twenty five years i've been

29:51

ahead coach here, I've never dealt

29:54

with a player or

29:56

an entity like him. He is a

29:58

really, really, really good basketball

30:00

player. And he does

30:03

everything well. I mean, he posts the right

30:05

way, he can score, his

30:08

ball goes in now very

30:11

efficient, and he

30:13

shoots free throws really well. And then

30:15

at the other end, he's just you know, for a

30:17

team that likes to shoot, we're very effective in the

30:19

paint and shoot a lot of twos.

30:20

I mean, it's it's tough to get shots

30:23

off.

30:23

In the paint, and so he's

30:26

just again an entity that quite

30:28

frankly, I mean, you just I haven't seen

30:30

in twenty five years, and so.

30:33

Obviously a lot of game planning.

30:35

The best thing we got going for us is we've

30:37

played against him a couple of times, so

30:39

we've at least felt it. It won't be a shock. But

30:42

it's not only that Matt

30:45

Painters just I mean, he's one of the great

30:48

people in all the sports and just

30:51

as good a basketball coach as there as

30:53

there is, and he does.

30:54

A phenomenal job of.

30:57

The sets and things that they do offensively

31:00

the right and the people around him. Their guards

31:02

are so much better this year. Their guards

31:04

are terrific. That Brad Smith's

31:06

a really, really, really good

31:08

player. So it's gonna

31:10

be a it's gonna be a tough out, but it's you

31:13

know, it's awesome to still be playing. And uh,

31:15

you know, we've been ahead i think at halftime and into the

31:17

second half both time. Both games we played, and we just

31:19

haven't been able to quite finish it off.

31:21

So I had said the two teams

31:23

I watched this year that jumped off the TV.

31:26

I thought Yukon was the best team I saw, and then

31:28

I thought Carolina. I saw them twice,

31:31

really impressive. I got him on good nights. They

31:33

didn't play great every game, but you

31:35

faced Yukon and they've got a combination

31:38

of great coach NBA prospects.

31:41

They've been defending since Calhoun's been there

31:44

is you is Yukon. You faced

31:46

them? Are they beatable? Are they just too good?

31:50

I mean they're beatable.

31:51

Everybody's beatable, but they

31:54

are there's something Now. We've played them twice

31:57

last year in the Elite eight and then in Seattle

32:01

in early December, and yeah,

32:03

no, they are very good. And you

32:05

know, i'd say, obviously they in Purdue

32:08

or neck and neck with just kind

32:10

of how they've dominated this year, but just

32:13

in different ways. You're right, Yukon defense

32:16

is the same. It's up to Calhoun standards.

32:19

Yep.

32:20

But the interesting thing calling and

32:22

I know sometimes you like to we

32:25

actually share a lot of the same thoughts.

32:27

You and I. I don't give you enough credit for that, But.

32:31

You like those teams that play different sometimes

32:34

football wise, Yukon doesn't

32:36

run a ton of ball screens, and in college

32:38

basketball, you know, ninety

32:41

five percent of the team's you know, run

32:43

mostly a ball screen offense in some

32:46

way, shape or form.

32:47

They run a lot of off ball stuff and.

32:49

They execute it incredibly

32:52

well. Curls and backcuts

32:54

and flares and stagger screens

32:57

and single pin downs, and so

33:00

they're really different when you go to prepare form,

33:03

you know, and and you know, most of your practices have

33:05

been dealt with deal with ball screen offense.

33:08

And so.

33:10

That is the one thing that it's it's it's

33:12

definitely been hard for us. And when you play

33:14

them in a tournament like this, especially if you get them

33:16

on the second day, you know, the

33:18

second game of the weekend. I mean that is

33:20

a short, short prep yep.

33:23

And uh I think that's really advantageous

33:25

to them.

33:26

Yeah, that's a really good point, you know, Mark.

33:28

I was talking to Mick cronin

33:30

yesterday and we talked about the ni L and

33:33

it's, I mean, there's you are obviously

33:36

you play like a blue blood program, but

33:38

you don't have Kentucky's money, you

33:40

don't Gonzaga doesn't have

33:42

that money. You will

33:44

make it work. But are you

33:47

concerned that players? A

33:49

majority of them? And I'm not blaming

33:51

them. Money's the first question. It's

33:53

not facilities, it's not winning, it's

33:55

can you pay me? Are you concerned

33:58

about Gonzaga and

34:00

your history of excellence

34:02

going forward?

34:05

I mean I've always been concerned

34:07

about that every year, and

34:09

especially you know when to see it

34:11

whenever the seasons do come to an end.

34:13

It's getting definitely more complicated.

34:18

But I would just say, Colin, you know, we've had

34:20

two great examples of Nil really

34:23

really working and being such a positive

34:25

thing. And Drew Timmy and Chet

34:27

Holmgren yep, and theirs was true

34:30

Nil. It was name, image, likeness. You know, a

34:32

lot of the stuff that's going on right right now

34:34

has nothing to do with Nil. It's just you

34:36

know, money being raised and figuring

34:40

out how to get it. But I do

34:42

that the positive of this is I do think

34:44

it's it's time we do get

34:46

to some sort of revenue sharing

34:49

with the players. I

34:51

think it's a long time coming. I think we just need

34:53

to figure that out. And

34:57

I think if that's the case, if

34:59

somehow we got to get

35:01

the right people in there kind of

35:04

setting the future of

35:06

our sport. Though, Like, we don't

35:08

need twelve presidents in a room, you

35:11

know, trying to decide the fate of this. I

35:13

think it's time you

35:15

got to have some coaches in there. You've got to have some

35:18

commissioners in there. You got to have some

35:21

athletic directors in there, and then you got to have some student

35:23

athletes and that's it, and a couple

35:25

of presidents and then just hammer

35:27

this thing out right and right now, the nca

35:29

is way too bureaucratic.

35:30

And they haven't been able to keep up with the changes.

35:34

And the best thing they got going calling

35:36

the greatest thing is the NCAA

35:38

tournament and the.

35:39

Job that Dan Gavitt and his group does.

35:41

I mean, it hits a home run every

35:44

single year, and so it's

35:46

so important to keep that thing

35:49

going. But I just think we need,

35:52

like Pranos, some people that are in the fight

35:54

and down in the streets helping

35:57

them kind of set the course for the future.

35:59

Here.

35:59

You were right on chet Holmgren. I

36:02

worried about his size and I kind of felt

36:04

like, play him fifty games the first couple of years.

36:06

Body type, he's thinned. Let him put on weight,

36:08

don't ask him to play eighty two. And

36:11

I got to tell you there are nights he's better than

36:13

Wimby And you told me, I said,

36:15

I don't know, And you said, he is

36:17

way tougher that

36:20

his body type leads you

36:22

to believe. Are you surprised

36:24

all? I mean, Aron Knight's coach, he

36:26

is, he can be a dominant player.

36:28

He's still a kid. Are you surprised

36:31

at all by it?

36:33

Not at all, Not at all.

36:35

I'm telling you We've had some legendary

36:37

guys here with drive and

36:39

ambition and work ethic. I mean,

36:42

that's basically what this program has been built

36:44

on. And

36:46

he's at the top of the list in that. I mean, we could

36:48

not get him out of the building.

36:51

I mean he was here twenty hours a day. He's just

36:53

he is basketball all the time.

36:56

And like I said, and I.

36:58

Think it's playing out.

37:00

Uh, he's he's tougher than maybe

37:02

his body looks that

37:04

it might be. And and he's a he's

37:06

a warrior man. He is a he's a warrior,

37:08

and he loves basketball, and he's got a great feel.

37:11

He's a great teammate. I'm

37:14

just so happy for him that you know, the thing it

37:16

was a fluke that kind of happened.

37:18

It was a fluke injury.

37:19

And I think he was getting labeled, you know,

37:22

very wrongly and being brittling all

37:24

this and this. That guy didn't miss a practice

37:26

here. And I mean he was in on every

37:28

drill. And I

37:31

love that about him. When I watched him in high school, he'd

37:33

get knocked down to the floor and you'd go ooh,

37:36

and then pop right back up and

37:39

uh, you know, making plays at

37:41

the other end. And and I mean

37:43

he does everything. He plays both ends of the floor.

37:45

How nice is that? And and the other

37:47

thing I'd add Colin is after doing the uh

37:50

you know Team USA uh stuff

37:52

and looking forward again to doing it this summer

37:54

with Steve and and

37:56

Tye and Spoe and Grant,

37:59

it it's a different game. Like the NBA is way

38:02

more open, and you're

38:04

telling you it's way more finesse. Yes,

38:06

the the Foeba stuff

38:08

that we went through last year with the World Cup team

38:11

is so much more like collegers.

38:13

You know, we can stand in the lane and.

38:15

There's just no there's not driving, and there's

38:17

there's it's so much more physical.

38:20

Me in my opinion.

38:21

Finally, you know my favorite two college

38:23

basketball coach. I mean, I love a lot of you is

38:26

O, Jay Wright and you and what I

38:28

and and and one of the things that's interest

38:30

Izzo is very emotional,

38:33

very and you and Jay Wright.

38:35

You look you look like you're watching the game

38:37

in your driveway. You guys are not real

38:40

emotional. Do you ever You're

38:42

playing Purdue? The whole country is watching,

38:45

are you? Do you have inner turmoil? You're

38:47

freaking out? You and Jay Wright act like

38:49

you're just sitting at a dinner party. You

38:51

never get emotional. You're always even Is

38:53

that because you've been around so long? Is that

38:55

just who you are?

38:59

Well, first of all, there's there's tons of inner

39:01

turmoil for Jay. I mean, Jay's a great friend

39:03

for both of us.

39:06

You worry a lot.

39:07

I did you know what I after working

39:10

for different guys over the years and stuff, and just as

39:12

you know, back all the way into high school,

39:14

out was I thought, there's enough

39:16

stress involved in the game that

39:20

the most important thing and the and the greatest

39:23

thing I can do when when we get to the game

39:26

is to try to give the guys as much confidence

39:28

as possible and just let them let.

39:30

Them play freely and play with confidence.

39:32

Now, practices and everything leading up to that,

39:34

I mean, we're on them and after them and challenging

39:37

them, you know, and getting them to do the right things and think

39:39

the right.

39:40

Things and preparing them.

39:41

But man, once that ball goes up

39:43

and the lights are on and the fans are full, I just

39:45

think I'm just there to try

39:47

to help them, and you know, yell and screaming

39:49

and.

39:50

Losing my mind.

39:51

Uh, I mean, it isn't

39:53

going to help them play with any confidence,

39:55

and and and and maybe doesn't fit my

39:58

personality either. There's a lot of different

40:00

ways to do this, and those a lot of those guys

40:02

that do coach like that are incredibly successful.

40:04

But I just try to

40:06

get them as much confidence as I can and help them

40:09

as much as as we possibly can be

40:11

successful during those forty minutes are out.

40:13

There fifty

40:15

percent from three point range, they lead

40:17

the tournament. They just it's incredible.

40:20

Thirteen times a Sweet sixteen appearance,

40:22

nine straight. Now, as Mark knows, I

40:25

got to go back to talking about

40:27

the fifth round of the NFL Draft now,

40:29

so I have to go.

40:33

And you don't try to blame it on your producer

40:36

either that is you at heart.

40:37

I mean, admit it, admit it, I

40:40

get you whatever.

40:42

I love having you on the show, and

40:44

I hope things are going well.

40:45

I love being to the show and I love listening to

40:47

your show. It challenges me, it does.

40:49

I love your show.

40:51

Yeah, we need to get

40:53

on more.

40:54

Yeah, my wife says, I love your show as long

40:56

as I'm never on it. I just don't

40:58

want to be on your show. And I'm like an

41:00

the show is my life and so one of

41:02

my favorite people in sports, Mark Few Great

41:05

Senia. I will be locked and

41:07

nervous for Gonzaga Purdue Friday,

41:09

which could be the best game in the tournament. Great

41:12

senior man goes eggs.

41:13

Yeah you too, Bud. Take care