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app by searching Herd. This

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is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowhern

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on Fox Sports Radio. I

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want to start with this. You

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know, it's remarkable to me that,

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you know, sometimes I look at the media. I don't I don't

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put the fans in the media in the same category. Fans

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are go be crazy, they pay

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to go see games. Fans short for fanatic,

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if not for fans that these games aren't

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as interesting. I mean, when you watch a game

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and the fans are going crazy, it makes the game

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better, the aesthetic. It's, you know what, fans

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should be nuts, They should be socially lubricated.

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But when it comes to the media and analysts,

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sometimes I just I roll my eyes. Are

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you guys paying attention to this stuff? So

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Joe Burrow yesterday they measured

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his hands and they're like small,

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like a nine. And Joe Burrow's laughing

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about it. Why do you think they test this

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stuff? Why do

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you think they test this stuff? Now, Patrick

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Mahomes came out and supported him because Patrick

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mahomes hands are slightly smaller than average,

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and everybody's like, well, Patrick Mahomes,

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Patrick Mahomes has small hands. Yeah,

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Patrick Mahomes has the best arm on

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the planet that overcomes

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lots of shorts comings. He

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also had a dad who was a pro athlete. So Mahomes

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is a significantly better athlete than

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Joe Burrow and has the best football

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throwing arm in the world

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and has Andy Reid as his counsel.

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We know that Joe Burrow is a decent athlete,

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not special. He now has

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small hands, and we know he's got an average

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arm, not great, and has Zach Taylor,

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who we don't know if can coach as his counsel.

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Remember years ago when Vince Young came out

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and I was never a big bench Young fan. I hated this

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throwing motion. I said, he reminds me of Tebow.

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He wins games that throwing motion.

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He'll never be a great pocket passer. He had a very

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low wonderlick and people are like, yeah, it's no big deal,

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and I'm like well, it's kind of a something,

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or they wouldn't test. I mean, it's

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it's And then everybody says, well, Dan Marino

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had a low wonderlick, and I was like, yeah, but Dan Marino

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had the best arm and release in the history of the

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league. Folks. Sometimes

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Steph Curry's shooting overcomes the fact

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that he's small and tiny and doesn't play much

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defense, and he's not real vertical and

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you can push him around. He's kind of light. If

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you have world class arm talent or world

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class shooting talent, it can overcome obstacles.

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But this hand sized thing, folks, let's

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just be honest about it. Joe Burrow is a

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good prospect. He's

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not a great prospect. He's a great

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story. In the media loves stories.

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Okay, Westbrook was a great story. When Kady

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left him. Didn't make him

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a greater player. He was a great story, and he won

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the MVP. Lebron was the better play and the

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MVP of the league. But Lebron's story we were

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fatigued. We'd seen him dominate the league for a decade.

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So Lebron doesn't win MVP because we're

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over the Lebron story, right, I'm not,

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but most people are. The Westbrook triple

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double year, Oh this story

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is wasn't any better a player. He's kind

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of cheated on some rebounds and nobody else

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could shoot, and he scored. And so

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this Joe Burrow thing, it is remarkable

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to me when we dismiss stuff that matters.

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It all matters, arm maturity,

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wonderlick, hand size,

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it's all college productivity,

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coachability, it's all something.

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It all matters. The

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interview process, hack guy. We've had people

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on the couch the last two weeks are like, you know that interview

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process that's huge. You're like really

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talking for seven minutes. They're like, oh yeah,

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I mean I never forget. Johnny

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man Zelle came out, Jamis Winston came

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out, and Baker Mayfield came out. And I said, they're

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all really immature in college. Haven't

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they all been really immature at the next level.

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Johnny Manzill's out of the league, Baker's

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been talented but wildly immature with poor

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judgment, called out his own medical staff. And Jamis

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Winston's a bakery, He's a turnover machine.

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That's all judgment. Sam Darnold

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is the exact quarterback at

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the Jets as he was at USC. The difference

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is when he makes those mistakes in the NFL,

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it's way more putative. They all get picked off.

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At USC, he made mistakes, but Utah

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guys or Oregon State guys didn't

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pick him off. Joe Burrow

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was a remarkable story.

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But he's a good prospect. He's not a

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special prospect. And by the way, I

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don't love him making fun of the hands thing.

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It's a little cocky for me. It's

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a little too much for me. I really

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like the way Tuah is handling

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all of this. Tua's

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got a medical crisis on

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his hands, and every time you talked to

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Tuah, he's just humble.

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He understands the concerns. This

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is not the end of the world for Joe Burrow,

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but the idea that all of this stuff

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doesn't matter a little corset

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matters. By the way, I saw a stat this morning.

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If you don't think by the way,

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Cincinnati is a cold, wet,

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windy area. It'd be different if

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he's played in a dome, maybe behind a great offensive

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line, but he's gonna be playing behind a band

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offensive line in a wet, cold,

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divasion hand signs doesn't

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matter gripping the ball. In the history

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in the last decade in the NFL, three

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players have had concerns about

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hand size. Chad Hanny, Ryan Tannehill,

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and Jared Goff. Well,

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in the history in the last decade, those are

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the small hand guys. Goff has been

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the best and most of you don't like him

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as much as I do. And he does have a fumble

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issue at times. So and the

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other thing about Joe Burrow, he did say this yesterday.

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So here's some sound

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Joe Burrow with Combine about the Bengals. Yeah,

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of course I want to be the first pick. You know, that's

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that's every kid's dreaming. I'm

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I've worked really really hard for this opportunity, and

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I'm bust to be in this position. I'm not going to not

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play. I'm a ball

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player. Whoever takes me, I'm gonna go show up. I'm

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just not going to be presumptuous about you

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know what they want to do. It's

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the draft. You guys have been covering it for a long

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time. You never know what's going to happen. So

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that just guarantees that's fine.

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That just guarantees though that he will go to the least

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talented roster in

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his division, Forget the AFC, forget

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the NFL in his division, without

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question. He will now go to eas

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a lead the least talented roster.

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He is saying that this morning, and good for him. That's

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fine. As we said, we figured he

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would go to Cincinnati. It takes a lot of

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courage to bail on

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your home state. Cincinnati

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didn't have a history of wanting to negotiate and

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move around in the draft. They're going to draft him and

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say you're coming or not. But yeah,

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this idea that you just dismiss hand size,

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or you dismiss judgment

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in college, you dismiss the

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wonder means nothing. It all

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is a story. It's a fabric,

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and you come out and it matters.

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And the size nine hands matters

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more for Joe Burrow than Patrick Mahomes

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because Patrick Mahomes throws

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a football better than any

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human on the planet. And

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hand size can be like Steph

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Curry when you're the best in the

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world. It shows something shooting

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threes. It can overcome other

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issues. All right. Tonight

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the reason I wrapped up my Narcos Mexico

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season two because tonight Zion plays Lebron

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very exciting. You know. I love Zion.

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I think he's fantastic, and I think he's really

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really important for the NBA.

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I'm a believer that if you're a great high school player,

7:46

you should go to college for a year, like a Duke or

7:49

a Caroline or Arkansas or whoever. The

7:51

only reason I know about Zion is college

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basketball. It's a great marketing platform, and

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he is an incredibly likable,

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dynamic, watchable kid.

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I just love his story. But

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there are people now that are talking about,

8:05

Hey, is Zion in

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terms of marketing and stardom

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the next Lebron? Folks.

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No, And it has nothing

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to do with Justice game. We

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do this. We just don't appreciate

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the people we have. I've

8:23

been doing this thirty years.

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There are three athletes that

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have simply been as big as the

8:31

league they play in. Michael

8:34

Jordan, Tiger Woods, and Lebron

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James. And that is it. If

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Tom Brady retires tomorrow, I

8:41

watch less New England Patriot football.

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I don't watch less football came

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Michael Jordan left, the NBA

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lost fifty percent of its ratings,

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meaning he has had equal value

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to the league. Tiger

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Woods out of contention. Even

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the Masters plummeted fifty

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percent loss in ratings, meaning Tiger was

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at least at least half

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has big as the rest of the sport.

9:08

If James Harden retired tomorrow,

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or Yannis or kemball

9:13

Walker or Russell Westbrook,

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league would be fine. If Lebron retired

9:18

tomorrow, revenues

9:21

would sink, the salary cap

9:23

would go down. Everybody

9:26

is freaking out. Even owners in the NBA

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are kind of freaking out about

9:31

the last two years in the NBA, how

9:33

the ratings have gone down. And

9:36

you know, obviously the players are great

9:38

guys. There's very few. I can't think

9:40

of anybody off the top that's not a good kid. Kyrie's

9:42

a little flaky for my taste, but I don't think he's a bad kid.

9:45

The league has great marketing. I've

9:47

never seen more good players. I

9:50

mean, every time I go to an NBA game, I'm

9:52

struck by how much the fans like the kids.

9:55

It's just I mean, it doesn't matter if it's Dame, it's

9:57

Yannis, they're

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just likable players. Do

10:02

you know what the problem is? The last two years Lebron

10:05

left Eastern Conference and

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the ratings capsized, you're

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out thinking the room. Lebron left

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the East, went to the West and the

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Eastern Conference early NBA window

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stinks. So as

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much as we like Zion, we tend

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to do this in sports, and I

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don't know if they do this in politics or Hollywood.

10:26

I think we do it in politics, where when you have a good

10:28

president, nobody appreciates it. We

10:31

are so lucky.

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I feel so lucky that I got

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to watch Michael Jordan in when

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I'm in my twenties and I'm starting

10:40

as a sportscaster, and Michael Jordan owned the

10:42

world. And then here I get in my thirties

10:44

and early forties and Tiger Woods own the world

10:46

and now Lebroun. But it's interesting

10:49

with Tiger and Lebron. And maybe it's

10:51

social media. Maybe it's the snarkiness

10:54

that's devoured all of the country, the

10:56

division we've had in the last fifteen twenty years.

10:59

I do think social medi he as a part of it. I

11:01

never thought we appreciated Tiger

11:03

in the moment. Half the people liked him

11:05

in half didn't it. I was always like, listen,

11:08

Tiger Woods changed my television

11:11

habits. It'd be like four o'clock on a Sunday.

11:13

I was like, oh, Tiger. I mean, they're

11:15

like two shows in my life have done that, maybe

11:17

three, the NFL, the Sopranos and Tiger Woods.

11:20

Oh it's four o'clock on a Sunday. I gotta get to a television.

11:23

So as much as I like Zion, do

11:25

you get M

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J. Tiger Lebroun. They're half

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as big as the league and

11:32

you're lucky. Lebron always

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talks about our game. Many

11:37

of you think Lebron is selfish. I thought last

11:39

year he was distracted, distracted

11:42

his selfish. Okay,

11:44

Lebron the league

11:47

needs him and he knows it. That's why whenever

11:49

Lebron talks you ever noticed what he talks about. He

11:51

talks about quote our game. He's

11:54

the ambassador and the face. He is

11:56

the foundation of this house. Zion.

12:00

It's just a really cool sports car Dad bought this

12:02

weekend and parked in the garage. Can't wait to drive

12:04

it. It's fun, goes around, the courage real

12:06

great. There's difference between the cool sports

12:08

car and the foundation and

12:10

the mortgage in the title of the house, and

12:13

that is Lebron. Can't wait to watch him tonight,

12:16

Zion is I gotta

12:18

tell you they're not many players at nineteen

12:20

years old. I mean, I like Luca and Dallas like him.

12:23

Zion gets me to a TV. Luca

12:25

didn't get me to a TV, not

12:28

much. Zion gets me to a TV. Not

12:30

Lebron level, but he does. Be sure to catch live

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editions of The Herd week dayson noon Easter

12:35

ninety impacific. Fit matters in

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the NBA, I think more than other sports

12:40

because you only have like twelve thirteen guys. So

12:42

if you have a bad fit, like Kyrie Irving

12:44

with Boston last year was a bad fit, it

12:47

blows everything out, especially at the star

12:49

position. Big trouble. Now in baseball,

12:52

joy, it's different. You know, a third

12:54

of the rosters down on the bullpen. If a guy

12:56

was a jerk down on the bullpen, as long as the other pitchers

12:59

can handle him, didn't even hang out in the dugout.

13:01

In football, offensive guys don't all this practice

13:03

with the defensive guys at halftime games practices.

13:06

You go in different directions. But in the NBA,

13:08

it's really a fit league. And like

13:10

Utah's a prime example. I really like Utah, but Mike

13:12

Conley point guard, got hurt. Donovan Mitchell then

13:15

played point guard, then calmly comes back

13:17

off the bench, then starting Utah. It

13:19

just can't get the fit right. They got the players,

13:21

can't get the fit right. And that's with Quinn Sneiner, who's

13:23

a great coach. Last year, Boston Kyrie

13:26

Irvick, great coach, can't get the fit

13:28

right. And I talk about

13:30

that because Joe lmb last night had forty nine

13:32

points. It's like his best game ever. Ben

13:35

Simmons didn't play. And remember when mbiad

13:37

was hurt and Ben Simmons didn't have to play with them bead

13:40

Oh Simmons' numbers went up. This

13:42

puppy don't work. Make a choice, it doesn't

13:44

work. I mean, James Harden and Russell

13:46

Westbrook are often better when the other guys

13:49

off the floor. Doesn't mean they're not both great.

13:51

But that's why I can't already take Houston seriously

13:54

in winning multiple playoffs series. I

13:56

just can't. I think over the course of time, Harden

13:59

and Westbrook are not ideal for each other. And

14:01

I can't take Philadelphia in the East seriously

14:03

they'll win a series because they're just too darn talented

14:06

not to but Houston and Philly. I

14:08

don't like the fits, and it's just crucial

14:11

in my lifetime. The

14:13

only team that didn't fit that was

14:15

great and it never lasted as long as we

14:17

thought was the Miami Heat. Lebron

14:19

and d Wade's games were not really ideal

14:21

for each other. There was a lot of similarities. Lebron was

14:24

like a bigger d Wade at times, not a brilliant

14:26

shooter, a super athlete, very

14:29

aggressive and physical, often finished better at

14:31

the rim than anywhere else. That's Lebron and d

14:33

Wade. They didn't have a center, they

14:35

didn't really have a true point guard. Mario Chalmers

14:37

drove everybody nuts. Norris Cole was too young.

14:40

That team. That chemistry didn't work. But

14:42

the advantage, the reason Miami made

14:44

it work is three for one. Number One, you

14:47

had the best player in the league, maybe the fourth best player

14:49

in the league, and maybe the ninth best player in the league, and

14:51

so their talent was great. Secondly, they

14:54

chose each other. So Lebron, d Wade

14:56

and Bosh were they like chose each

14:58

other. They may did it work, and

15:01

again, you know, there's

15:03

three of the smartest guys in the league, so

15:05

they just sort of but it was never

15:07

ideal. Let's be honest. If ray Allen doesn't

15:10

hit one jumper in four years, the most

15:12

talented team wins one title. They

15:14

kind of underachieved. They got beat by a Dallas

15:16

team as a heavy favorite. They got beat by a San

15:18

Antonio team is a favorite, and

15:22

ray Allen saves him from losing three

15:24

out of four finals. So fit matters.

15:26

Philadelphia has got to make a decision to me, and the decisions

15:29

pretty you know. I'll tell you I'm the I'm

15:31

in the minority here. I like Simmons because

15:33

I think in this league you have to either shoot threes

15:36

or be able to get the ball to three shooters,

15:38

and I think Simmons does that. I think Mbiad has

15:40

a track record of being hurt. He's sometimes

15:43

a little distracted. He's a remarkable

15:45

player, but I don't think titles go through bigs.

15:47

If they did, Anthony Davis and Joe Lmbaid

15:50

and Jannis they'd have all the titles.

15:52

And Anthony Davis they don't. Wings and guards

15:55

do, so I would

15:57

choose Simmons. And I also think on the

15:59

market you can get more for Himbad, so

16:01

I would go Simmons over himbid, but I can't

16:04

take Houston. I can't take Philadelphia seriously

16:06

to win multiple series, The fits bed one

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16:17

you like one of the things. I don't

16:19

like to be seen as a bully. That's

16:21

why I've had multiple opportunities with

16:25

Baker Mayfield. Last year. I would say something,

16:27

he would respond to what I said, and I would

16:29

not respond back. You

16:32

can do whatever you want with my opinions. If you like him

16:34

great, If you hate him great. You want to mock him, great. If they

16:36

inspire you, fantastic. But I have opinions.

16:39

You can comment on my opinions, but I'm not going to go

16:41

back and forth on Baker. One of his seaions like him

16:43

an older guy picking on a young guy, and

16:45

I don't want to. I don't want to pick on

16:49

Aaron Rodgers, although he's a grown up networth

16:51

three hundred million dollars. But I saw another

16:53

mock draft today. Bucky Brooks, my buddy NFL

16:56

Scout former player. He's

16:58

got the Packers taking a quarterback in the first round.

17:01

My takeaway is, what's the over

17:03

under on when

17:06

Aaron Rodgers is going to talk about this? It's

17:08

you can just send to Danni ka Patrick Aaron Rodgers

17:11

podcast right around the corner, or he's

17:13

going to show up on one h two point nine to Hog

17:15

the rock and roll station in Milwaukee. So

17:18

you know, Aaron's got opinions. Smart

17:21

people do. He is the face of the

17:23

franchise, He's got a Super Bowl so

17:25

he deserves an opinion. He has absolutely

17:27

earned an opinion. But we know

17:30

Aaron, and I don't think I'm

17:32

being brutal. We

17:35

are going to get some level of snark if

17:38

he is asked about

17:40

Aaron, what do you make of the

17:42

Packers considering drafting a quarterback

17:44

in the first round? So we thought

17:47

what level of snark will we get? We thought

17:49

we would introduce a new game on the show

17:51

today

17:54

tonight. How will Aaron Rodgers

17:57

respond to the Packers potentially drafting

17:59

a quarterback? I thought that was an

18:01

interesting change. Aaron Rodgers enters

18:04

the snark tank. Okay,

18:07

there are levels of snark when

18:09

he is going to be asked by Milwaukee's

18:12

best rock radio station or the Milwaukee

18:15

Journal, or he's gonna be you know, one

18:17

of these OTAs. He's going to be asked about

18:19

it. So we're gonna try to

18:21

guess. We're all gonna try to guess here the level

18:23

of snark on snark tank

18:26

that will come from Aaron Rodgers. Now, will it be baby

18:29

snark? In almost likable?

18:31

You ever go to an aquarium and you see a baby

18:33

shark and you're like, it's kind of cute, even though it could

18:35

eat my child, it's kind of adorable.

18:38

Will it be baby snark? Like

18:40

this? How disappointed

18:42

are you that you will not be a forty nine

18:44

er? Not as disappointed as a forty

18:47

nine as will be that they didn't draft me. I

18:49

kind of like that. That's kind that's fair, spicy,

18:52

Yeah, a little by it's baby snark? Or

18:54

will it be um great

18:58

white snark where it's got

19:00

a little teeth to it? This one five

19:04

letters here just for everybody

19:06

out there in packer land and yourself

19:08

today R E L

19:11

A X. Relax,

19:14

We're gonna be okay, a little

19:16

less likable, a little more snarky.

19:19

Definitely not baby snark. He was kind

19:21

of taking a shot at us or

19:24

will it be snark Nato? Like

19:27

like flying from the

19:29

sky. This was Aaron Rodgers

19:31

when the Packers told his quarterback

19:34

coach sia and didn't

19:36

give Aaron Rodgers even a

19:38

little heads up. Well

19:41

my quarterback coach, Yeah, didn't get

19:43

retained. Yeah, you know what. I

19:45

thought that was an interesting change

19:47

and really without consulting me. There's

19:50

a close connection between quarterback

19:52

and quarterback coach, and that

19:54

was an interesting decision. So

19:57

will it be baby snark, great

20:00

white snark or snark Nato.

20:02

I think it'll be baby snark. You

20:04

think he'll just be kind of funny

20:07

snark. Yeah, it'll be It'll be funny because

20:09

I don't think Aaron Rodgers truly believes he's being replaced,

20:12

which he's he's not being replaced.

20:15

M what if what if this company drafted

20:18

me in the first round of their pick?

20:21

Wouldn't be happy? I mean, you feel like you're

20:24

you feel like you're in an I'm saying

20:26

I may go great White snark, you might

20:28

go no. If they do

20:30

take a quarterback, which it's you

20:32

know, there's enough smoke there that there's

20:34

there's probably some fire to it. It's gonna sit

20:37

in the same way that Aaron Rodgers did. All right, can I do the

20:39

open again? Now we're closing another edition,

20:41

our first edition of Snark Attack

20:46

tonight. How will Aaron Rodgers

20:48

respond to the Packers potentially drafting

20:51

a quarterback? I thought that was an

20:53

interesting change. Aaron Rodgers enters

20:56

the Snark Tank. Shark

20:59

Nato is a fun movie. I

21:01

didn't watch it. Be sure to catch live editions

21:03

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21:07

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21:10

The media is I'm running out of patients

21:12

with the American media. Deontay

21:16

Wilder came out yesterday. There are excuses

21:19

in life, and there are reasons. And Deontay Wilder's

21:21

a great boxer. I was at the fight. Join and I were

21:23

at the fight, and he said, listen,

21:25

man, it wasn't my night. I had to

21:27

walk into that ring wearing forty

21:29

pounds of apparatus and

21:32

you know, and people laughed at it, and people said, well,

21:35

you know that was the Come on, that's an excuse.

21:38

First of all. One of the things I witnessed

21:40

at this fight. It

21:42

was so hot in the arena. You

21:44

can't prepare for that. Then Tyson. Fury

21:47

took ten minutes to come out, and

21:50

Wilder, who wrapped his hands

21:52

his gloves actually pretty early, about an

21:54

hour and a half before the fight, had to wear

21:56

this goofy costume. I'm not a big fan of

21:58

this stuff. If I could criticize networks,

22:01

they drive me nuts on this, even my own.

22:04

Can we stop making pregame shows

22:06

an extra quarter or an extra three

22:08

rounds? Let's get to the sports. Tom

22:11

Brady has never in nine Super Bowls

22:13

thrown a touchdown pass once in the first

22:15

quarter. He's old for nine. He's

22:17

got one field goal in nine first quarters.

22:19

Why because he gets out of rhythm.

22:22

This fight put both these guys out

22:25

of rhythm, and it affected one fighter.

22:27

It's not an excuse, it's a reason. Now he didn't

22:30

have to choose to wear that apparatus.

22:32

But I don't doubt for a second that Fury

22:35

taking ten minutes to come out

22:37

through Deonte Wilder off a rhythm.

22:40

He was just not ready to fight.

22:42

If you don't think rhythm matters, watch

22:45

NBA players shoot free throws, Watch

22:48

guys on the tour, serve the tennis ball

22:50

men or women. Watch guys on the

22:52

PGA tour, before their pots. Peyton

22:55

Manning. I was told this by a Peyton

22:58

Manning teammate. He goes. Part of

23:00

Peyton manning struggles for the first decade

23:02

in his career in the playoffs was he was

23:04

very rigid in his preparation. Peyton's

23:06

a routine guy. Eli was

23:09

not as much a routine guy. So Eli

23:11

was better than the playoffs and in big games you could throw him

23:13

off his routine. But Peyton was very

23:15

rigid in terms of his routine.

23:17

Where you go to a playoff game, the playoff games on

23:19

Saturday, you're off your routine. The commercial

23:22

breaks are longer, the halftimes are longer,

23:24

and Peyton Manning until the very end of his career

23:27

really struggled getting out of his routine.

23:29

We've heard about this from Kirk Cousins. Joy

23:31

and I do this show every morning. Routine is a

23:34

huge part of our show. If I

23:36

get thrown off it, my first segments never

23:38

quite as good or as efficient or as smooth.

23:40

You know. Greg Olson was on our show at the super Bowl and

23:43

he talked about Carolina going

23:45

to that super Bowl and he said it just these

23:47

big events feel different.

23:50

You get out of your rhythm, the

23:53

energy in that stadium is zero. There's

23:55

not a lot of true passionate fans. I mean, the NFC

23:58

Championship, We're blowing out the second best

24:00

team in the league, the Cardinals. Your fans

24:02

are going crazy. People don't sit

24:04

down. The Super Bowl crowd

24:06

is just different. There was no energy. TV

24:09

timeouts take ten minutes, and we

24:11

just never found our groove. And for the we

24:13

were the best offense in the league. There was something

24:15

about that game, the rhythm of that game.

24:18

We just really struggled harnessing, and you

24:20

know, it cost us an unbelievable shot of

24:22

winning a Super Bowl. Routine equals comfortable.

24:25

Comfortable equals more success. Watch

24:27

Major league batters. I mean, I can almost see

24:29

in my head Derek Jeter's rhythm in between

24:32

pitches. They get into a rhythm. And

24:34

Deonte Wilder's rhythm was thrown

24:36

off. I thought he controlled

24:39

much of the first fight. I thought he was dominated

24:41

from the very beginning. Once Tyson Fury went

24:43

twelve minutes coming into the ring, it

24:45

completely threw him off. He lost

24:48

the you know, the arena is hot,

24:50

the gears heavy, they take the

24:52

apparatus off. Fury comes

24:54

after him. He was never right. These

24:57

Super Bowls. You ever notice the

25:00

offenses in the first quarter are dead when

25:02

you make the players stand around for fifteen

25:05

twenty extra minutes in their gear

25:07

in Miami. So I think

25:10

the next fight will be very competitive

25:13

and it may have a different result. Please

25:16

Deonte, get that nonsense off,

25:18

do the Tyson shorts, cut

25:21

up, hoodie walk in, take it off

25:23

and fight. Be sure to catch live editions of The

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Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine a

25:28

Empacific since the Eagles twenty

25:30

one years ago hired Howie Roseman. Just

25:32

think about this. Fourteen

25:35

playoff berths, ten division titles,

25:38

six NFC championship appearances

25:40

in a Super Bowl. You may want to listen to him,

25:42

and he is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite

25:44

Network in Indianapolis. This

25:46

stuff is all fun for me. I'm a mock draft

25:49

dork I am. I am proud

25:51

of it, but some of it

25:53

has to matter how or you would not be

25:56

there. Give me an example where

25:59

you've gone to a combine and

26:01

it has offered clarity on a player,

26:04

where you add a question or two and

26:06

it offered some clarity on an Eagle. Well,

26:09

first of all, we miss you here in Indy. You know, it's

26:11

not the same without you. We'd love to have you,

26:13

man, We got good restaurants here. It's fun.

26:16

But we'll do it this way until we get you here live.

26:18

And I think when you talk about this

26:21

process for us, you know, you look at

26:23

it like kind of like a c stop.

26:25

So when you watch the tape, that's

26:27

part of the evaluation, and then you want

26:29

the testing to match. And when it does, you

26:31

feel really good about a player. You feel really

26:33

good about a pick, you know, because you have the objective and

26:35

the subjective information kind of matching now

26:38

on one side is kind of uneven a little

26:40

bit like you got that man, I'm a seesaw right here.

26:42

It's a little bit of a problem. So you got to figure out

26:44

what kind of resources you want to put into that. And

26:46

that's for us. This is part of it. When

26:49

you talk about the information, the medical is really

26:51

important, the interviews are really important,

26:53

and then the testing by position, it

26:55

helps us get a sense of what that guy has

26:57

in his body. They say

27:00

there's going to be fifty wide receivers potentially

27:02

drafted. Howee, we have

27:04

kind of a sea change happening in football

27:07

in America where the best athletes are now

27:09

playing wide receiver. It feels like in quarterback.

27:12

I can remember a time in my life where the NFL

27:15

draft felt like there were twenty running backs. Now

27:17

the state of Californian high school football

27:19

may have two really elite running

27:22

backs and forty wide receivers.

27:24

When you ever, when you guys need, obviously,

27:27

I believe even with Dashaun, you could use a

27:29

speed receiver. There's a lot of mock drafts having

27:31

you taking speed receivers. But when you

27:33

come into a draft, howie and there are forty

27:36

five potential drafted wide

27:38

receivers, wouldn't potentially

27:40

make you think, you know what, we can get it later. We can

27:42

get it later, we can get it later. How does it change

27:45

our psychology when one positions loaded?

27:48

Yeah? Well it's interesting because you look at

27:50

like a draftlack last year where the defensive line class

27:53

was really loaded. Yeah, and it allowed

27:55

us to get a left tackle, a guy that we think can

27:57

be a really good left tackle, and trade

27:59

up a little bit and get him at twenty one, where most

28:02

years that left tackle he's going ten,

28:04

twelve, fifteen somewhere, where when you're

28:06

in the twenties, you've got no shot but at

28:08

the same token, then you've had drafts where it's

28:10

really strong enough particular position, and guys

28:12

are saying, I want to get the guy I really like, and

28:15

so you're left with kind of the leftovers.

28:17

And but we need what's best for the Philadelphias,

28:19

which matches the skill set that we're looking

28:22

for out of every position, not only

28:24

the receiver position. But I think it's most

28:26

importantly like we have a quarterback who's in his prime,

28:28

and we got to make sure that we surround

28:31

him with protection up

28:33

front, that we have the offensive line the table to protect

28:35

him and keep him healthy. And then we surround

28:37

him with playmakers as well. And you saw it a little

28:39

bit the last two years in the draft, you know, last

28:41

year in the second round with draft to Miles Sandon

28:43

and J. G. R. Sega Whiteside. But we expect

28:46

to take a big jump here at one to year two. The

28:48

year before coming off the Super Bowl, we had

28:50

Dallas Goddard, a guy that you

28:53

know, we think is going to be an incredible

28:55

player for us going forward and really complements

28:58

Zach Erto, who obviously a great

29:00

player in his own right. So I think we just

29:02

want to make sure that when we look back at the years

29:04

that we had Carson Wentz, we maximize

29:06

his ability to be successful. Yeah, that's

29:08

interesting, and you guys moved up to get Carson. It

29:10

paid off. You also paid him a contract

29:12

after a couple of injuries, which some people

29:15

push back on. But I've always said this

29:17

about Carson there are he's the

29:19

only guy in the league that does things that Patrick

29:21

Mahomes does. My eyes, I trust my eyes.

29:23

I think he's an all time special, unique talent.

29:26

And to your point, now it's time to give him that

29:28

support. I want to talk

29:30

about Every team has a different

29:32

philosophy. I can remember the late Al Davis.

29:34

He loved speed, He

29:37

loved guys that can go over the top. If

29:40

I was to look at your draft patterns,

29:42

what matters to Philadelphia? What

29:45

is it? You know? Some Rich McKay

29:47

once told me he loved players who

29:49

had been big in big games.

29:51

Some guys shrink, some guy's rise. It

29:54

mattered to him to get the sec left

29:57

tackle that was great in a big game. What is

29:59

your DNA and this thing, this whole game

30:01

of a talent acquisition, Well,

30:04

I think the first thing about it is that we're

30:06

building a team we're not collecting talent. We have a limited

30:08

amount of resources, whether it's traff picks, whether

30:11

it's salary cap space, and so we got to

30:13

keep the main thing the main thing. We got to figure out

30:15

what our priorities are and make sure that

30:17

those are taken care of. And once those are

30:19

taken care of, you can build out. You can figure

30:21

out everything else that you need, but

30:23

you have no chance if your priorities aren't taken

30:25

care of. You know, in Philly it's no

30:27

secret for a long time. We're gonna build along the lines.

30:30

We're going to try to have a great quarterback, and then

30:32

we're going to try to make sure that we

30:34

have weapons for the quarterback that we're preventing

30:36

the big place, and we're gonna build a team

30:38

like that. And you can't have everything

30:40

in this league. You just can't. There's not enough salary

30:43

cap space, there's not an off draft picks

30:45

to be able to do that. So we're going

30:47

to focus on the things that we can do to

30:50

help our football team when as many games

30:52

as possible, and hopefully a

30:54

big part of our off season already off the field

30:57

has been can we start a little faster than

30:59

we have the last two years and maybe not put

31:01

ourselves in the hole where towards the end of the season

31:04

every game is do or die. Have you

31:06

ever overthought the combine paralysis

31:08

by analysis? And I know this

31:10

is a question that may you know, I'm asking

31:13

you to say, have you ever missed? But is there

31:15

a danger in it? Howie? You watch

31:17

so much darntape, you fall in

31:19

love with a guy, you overthink

31:22

it, maybe talk yourself out of a guy. Has that ever

31:24

happened to you? There's

31:26

no doubt about it. You definitely

31:28

have those situations and then it kind of flips

31:30

itself on the head. Like you know, last year, we

31:33

had this kind of theory and we looked

31:35

at it just from the personnel side, the analytics side,

31:37

and there had never really been successful

31:40

receivers draft at high who never had tremendous

31:42

production in college. And then two guys came out last

31:44

year, Yeah, who are drafted relatively

31:47

early, who had tremendous production in the NFL. So

31:50

I think we have to be open minded and see where the league's

31:52

going as well? Could you? Howie

31:54

Roseman is joining US executive VP

31:57

general manager of the Eagles. He's been there twenty

31:59

one year, there's fourteen playoffs, ten division

32:01

titles, six NFC championship

32:03

appearances, and a Super Bowl. So okay,

32:06

this morning, I'm the bad guy because I

32:08

do think hand size means

32:10

something. I don't think it's everything,

32:12

but I think this is a story. And

32:15

here I look at Joe Burrow and I'm like, listen, he

32:17

had the best offensive line, he had a great running

32:19

back, he had great receivers, ls. She was a football

32:21

factory. He could go to a you know, a team with lesser

32:23

of everything. Can you give

32:25

me some clarity. I'm not saying hand size is

32:27

everything, but I always thought,

32:29

you know, it's something, isn't

32:32

it something? It's

32:34

something. As you talk about a quarterback

32:37

and his ability to protect the ball to throw in

32:39

bad West editions, it's something.

32:42

Now the question where's the breakoff and

32:45

what really matters? And also when you talk

32:47

about size when you have a smaller quarterback,

32:49

hand size traditionally as mattered

32:52

more for shorter quarterbacks. You

32:54

know, the bigger the hands, the shorter quarterbacks, those

32:56

guys are tremendously successful without you

32:58

know, wanting to tamper. There are some shorter quarterbacks

33:00

than the National Football Leagues who have huge hands, and

33:03

they'll be able to control the ball in bad

33:05

weather conditions. Now that's not an absolute

33:07

deal breaker. I mean, obviously you're talking about

33:09

a player who's a tremendous player, an

33:11

outstanding player. You know, we're not picking

33:13

anywhere close to it where it's going to be a discussion.

33:16

But I think it all is thrown

33:18

into the pot as you're trying to come up and

33:20

figure out the best recipe for success.

33:23

By the way, you're a very aggress just kind of made up that

33:25

line. I'm going to use that. I kind of like that throwing the recipe

33:27

for success. I don't like that. I may steal

33:30

it. Joey and I always talk

33:32

about this, Um, you're aggressive.

33:34

You're a guy that'll go and I think aggressive wins

33:37

in sports. That you gotta believe something. You

33:39

got to be early on Atalytics, you've got to be aggressive.

33:42

Jerry West used to say after he made that Shack

33:44

deal with Orlando, he almost threw up that.

33:47

You know, it's just it's really hard

33:49

to make big deals. You're a guy

33:51

that makes big deals. Do

33:54

you ever have a night you don't sleep? I

33:57

mean, because you're a guy that'll trade up the Carson

33:59

went this moment all the

34:01

time, all the time. But I feel

34:03

like our job, our responsibilities to

34:06

get out of that bell curve. You know, most guys

34:08

are going to be in that middle of that bell curve, and

34:10

to be great, you have to be

34:12

in that bottom of that bell curve. And the only way

34:14

to do that is to get outside the box is

34:16

to think differently and be aggressive. We're

34:18

very fortunate in Philadelphia that we have

34:21

an owner who encouraged aggressive this, who

34:23

doesn't come back and say, you made this mistake

34:25

because you were too aggressive. You know. I think

34:27

about the Sam Bradford trade and

34:30

where we were and we really want to Carson

34:32

to sit for a year, and that trade was

34:34

maybe a week before the start of the regular season,

34:36

and I knew it was the right thing for our football

34:38

team, for our organization going forward to recoup

34:41

some of the picks that we traded for Carson. But

34:43

I also knew there was risk and playing Carson,

34:45

who had missed some of the preseason

34:47

due to injury, who was really coming in

34:50

and scheduled to be the third quarterback,

34:52

and that it was going to put a lot of people at risk.

34:54

And I remember, you know, not sleeping at all

34:56

that night and just kind of staring at my ceiling

34:59

and thinking about and getting

35:01

on the phone with rich Spielman at five forty five

35:03

the next morning, and uh, you know,

35:05

talking to him and I said, you were able to sleep?

35:07

And he said, not even a little bit, how about you? And I said, not

35:10

even a little bit, you know. And that's the nature

35:12

of the job and these

35:14

hard decisions. But that's our

35:16

responsibility and responsibilities to make tough

35:18

decisions and to make sure that

35:21

we do a lot more right than wrong. How

35:23

are we great? Talking to you? How

35:25

he rolls