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I bring him on about once a month Dave

2:31

Juan's dad, Oh is one of my favorite

2:34

insiders. Dave is the most connected

2:36

person I've ever met in the NFL. Even

2:39

on my phone I have It's

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Funny on my phone, it says Uncle Dave.

2:45

That's what I put him under on my

2:47

phone, Uncle Dave. Because you ever had an uncle

2:49

that had all the answers to everything, He's

2:51

my uncle Dave. A couple of things.

2:53

First, in the TV world, you know this,

2:56

there is a term jump

2:58

the shark, or a show that

3:00

does something so clearly

3:03

out of good ideas it can't

3:05

be taken seriously anymore. That

3:08

was Fawnsie in the old Happy

3:10

Day Show. It was like the

3:12

fifth or sixth season Happy Days. There's an episode

3:14

he goes water skiing in his leather jacket

3:17

and jumps over a shark. That's

3:20

what the entire episode was about. But

3:23

seriously, the Cowboys quarterback

3:25

draw with fourteen seconds left, it

3:28

felt like a Mike McCarthy jump

3:31

the shark moment, Like

3:34

when you have multiple NFL

3:36

quarterbacks, former quarterbacks going

3:38

on to social media and saying, yeah, it's understood

3:42

that it takes like seventeen to

3:44

eighteen seconds. It really

3:46

McCarthy's always been one of those guys.

3:50

And this is what I find fascinating about the

3:52

Cowboys. I used to say

3:54

this when he was the coach of Green

3:56

ban Aaron Rodgers. I said, they don't even

3:59

look like they fit like Matt Lafleur

4:01

and Aaron Rodgers looked like they

4:04

could be snarky, drinking buddies

4:06

like Big Ben and Tomlin,

4:09

kind of tough guys. You

4:11

could see them over beers

4:14

like Aaron Rodgers and McCarthy.

4:17

It looked like an actor and a Milwaukee

4:19

cop. It's like they wouldn't

4:22

hang out together, they wouldn't be in the same social

4:24

circle, they wouldn't double date together. Like

4:27

for a franchise that is so good

4:29

at optics and esthetics, the Cowboys,

4:31

they are the Kardashians of the NFL.

4:34

They never leave the house without makeup. Mike

4:37

McCarthy's just doesn't even fit the

4:40

organization, and we've all kind of known that.

4:43

But I thought that quarterback draw looked

4:47

so disorganized, and then

4:49

he doubled down afterwards at the podium.

4:52

There's just no way back

4:55

from that. Like there

4:57

are certain times in your life you

5:00

have memories of people that are so

5:03

strong that they

5:05

can't overcome those memories. And

5:08

I feel like that with McCarthy everybody

5:11

in the league that I trust. It's

5:14

understood in the NFL under

5:16

fifteen seconds, you need thirty

5:18

yards, no time out. The

5:21

sideline is your ally, the

5:24

middle of the field is your enemy.

5:26

And McCarthy's been doing this now for

5:28

what fourteen years

5:31

as a head coach. It's

5:33

just I can't get past it. I

5:36

can't get past that moment put

5:38

on a leather jacket, some water skis

5:40

and jump over a shark. I can't get past

5:42

it. So I

5:45

was watching Matt Stafford on Monday Monday

5:49

night, and I don't know many

5:51

people in Hollywood. One of my friends, Eric,

5:53

his dad used to run a movie studio

5:56

and Eric was a good high school

5:59

athlete, but his dad

6:01

one summer made him intern

6:04

for his movie studio. And

6:06

he had the catalog all

6:09

the Marvel Studio

6:12

characters and

6:15

it was a big process,

6:17

and so he knew the Marvel kind

6:20

of library really really well. And

6:23

Disney came in and eventually

6:26

bought Marvel. And I remember

6:28

the number being like four billion. It

6:31

may have been two billion, but I think it was four billion.

6:34

And my friend Eric said, there's no way

6:36

it's worth that. I know every character

6:39

in that library, there's no way.

6:42

And then iron Man itself made

6:45

double what Disney paid

6:48

for the entire Marvel studio

6:51

catalog, right all the characters.

6:54

And it's a great example

6:57

of the power of culture and

7:00

starmaking. Disney takes

7:02

that those Marvel characters like iron

7:04

Man, Captain America, Black Panther,

7:06

Aunt Man, Captain Marvel. It's a long list.

7:09

Now, these characters were all around in

7:11

the sixties, half

7:13

a century, nobody quite knew what the hell to

7:15

do with them. And then in two thousand and

7:17

nine Disney acquired Marvel, and now all

7:19

of a sudden, it's made all these movies, and iron

7:22

Man has been just a

7:24

massive source of revenue

7:26

for the Disney Company. And so

7:29

what it tells you a lot of times it's not just

7:31

the product, it's the organization

7:34

that gets its hands on it and

7:37

knows what to do with it. And

7:39

a great example is Matt Stafford.

7:41

We knew Matt Stafford had talent, we

7:44

knew OBJ had

7:46

talent, but most

7:48

had disappeared for the last

7:51

several years. Stafford and Detroit,

7:53

OBJ and Cleveland. Isn't

7:55

it amazing? Then

7:57

in the first year Sean

8:00

McVeigh. Stafford

8:03

is now challenging Tom Brady

8:05

for a chance to go to the NFC Championship

8:07

and was in the MVP chase

8:11

for most of the season. And OBJ,

8:14

who didn't have a single touchdown this year in Cleveland,

8:16

has six and nine games with

8:18

the Rams. And

8:21

I mean, it's not like people thought you couldn't

8:23

make a Captain America or iron Man

8:26

or Avengers movie. But

8:28

once you gave it to the right starmaking

8:31

company, the right organization.

8:35

Nobody predicted iron

8:38

Man would do that. If Marvel

8:40

thought it would do that, they would have charged double

8:44

but they charged Disney to buy their

8:46

catalog. And so

8:49

most players in football

8:52

can't overcome a

8:54

week to suboptimal environment.

8:57

I mean, can you imagine Matt

9:00

Stafford next year when

9:03

they don't lose Robert Woods, they don't

9:05

lose cam Akers. It's

9:08

only going to get better. Cooper

9:11

Cup's not getting worse. OBJ

9:13

in this system longer is not getting worse.

9:16

Speaking of injuries, about

9:19

five years ago, and

9:23

Sean McVay had a little to do with this. Sean

9:26

McVay refused to play starters

9:28

in the preseason and a

9:30

lot of the veteran coaches rolled

9:32

their eyes at it. Oh, they won't

9:34

be ready to play in September. Well,

9:37

that Rams team went eight and oh with Jared

9:39

Goff to start the season, and

9:41

it really was a catalyst for change in the

9:43

NFL where it is an

9:45

exception now when a Bruce Arians or

9:48

Bill Belichick, a veteran coach plays

9:51

starters in the preseason, that

9:53

is now the exception, the outlier

9:55

to the rule. Young coaches just won't do it. Matt

9:57

Lafleur won't do it, Shanahan won't

10:00

do it. Sean McVeigh doesn't

10:02

want to do it. And McVay

10:06

also believed if you were going to

10:08

attract free agents, you had

10:10

to let veteran players practice

10:13

without pads. Let's have easier practices

10:16

for an Andrew Whitworth, and it

10:19

became a talking point

10:21

around free agents in the league and veteran

10:23

players is that you can go to

10:25

Los Angeles and they want you to show up

10:27

on Sunday and fit into their culture. But

10:31

the days of banging

10:33

around in practice starters

10:35

playing in the preseason. That's not

10:37

to say the Rams are a country club, but

10:40

it makes them very attractive

10:42

to veteran players. O. B. J.

10:45

Von Miller Andrew Whitworth

10:48

that have options and are

10:50

now overwhelmingly when given the option, they

10:53

want to play for the Rams. And you look

10:55

around the NFL right now, First

10:57

of all, almost all the

10:59

teams left have all their stars

11:01

left. Even teams like the

11:03

Packers that lost to Darius Smith and JayR

11:06

Alexander, They're coming

11:08

back and expected to play Saturday. JJ

11:11

Watt, we thought lost for the season. He

11:14

played Monday night. Derrick

11:17

Henry out for the season. Wrongo,

11:20

He'll be playing this weekend. So

11:22

between the medical advances

11:25

to get players back and

11:27

the ease and the safety

11:29

precautions of the rules, equipment,

11:31

and the standards and practices within

11:34

NFL teams, isn't

11:36

it remarkable in a sport with regulated

11:39

violence how healthy these

11:41

NFL teams are even after

11:43

an additional seventeenth

11:46

game. Yet in

11:49

the NBA, here's the list

11:51

of stars that are out.

11:54

Kevin Durant two months, Anthony

11:56

Davis, Kawhi, Paul George

11:59

Draymond's ion both,

12:01

CJ. McCullum and Damian Lillard for the Blazers,

12:04

Derek Rose, Lonzo Ball, Jamar

12:06

Murray. I mean I just named

12:08

ten of the top twenty twenty five

12:10

players in the league, certainly

12:14

ten of the top twenty draws

12:17

in the league. So I

12:19

don't have an answer for it when it comes to the NBA.

12:22

But the injuries in

12:25

the NFL, it feels to me, are

12:27

happening more often early in the season

12:29

pre Thanksgiving, and many

12:31

of those players return, and

12:34

the injuries overall are cut

12:37

way way back. Last

12:40

weekend, all starting quarterbacks

12:43

this weekend, all starting quarterbacks

12:46

when the Rams play the Buccaneers,

12:48

Leonard Fournett, Ronald Jones, and Tristan

12:50

Worse injured, probably

12:53

all play only Robert Woods

12:55

is a high end starter for either team

12:58

that won't be available or as such,

13:00

an embarrassment of riches at wide

13:02

receiver around the league. The Rams

13:04

are just fine in that unit. One

13:07

league's got all its stars, or almost

13:09

all of them. The other star

13:12

driven league is dealing with

13:14

a lot of understudies, and you wonder

13:16

why the NFL is pulling away. The

13:19

media may not want to hear this, remember

13:21

how much they complained a few years ago

13:23

about the Thursday night games. I

13:26

have talked to more than half

13:29

a dozen players privately about this.

13:32

They love Thursday night games because

13:34

after the game, it's essentially a

13:37

second bye week, and that week,

13:39

that Thursday week, teams

13:42

don't hit. They put in

13:44

that game plan before the season. It

13:46

is the easiest week of

13:48

the year of practice.

13:51

So even the NFL on a shortened

13:53

week has smartly managed

13:56

that issue. All

14:01

Right. He knows more and is connected

14:03

to more people than anybody I've ever met. Super

14:06

Bowl twenty seven Cowboys defensive coordinator,

14:08

former head coach Bears and Dolphins Dave Wanstadt.

14:11

Which, by the way, I say this over and over, but

14:13

it's true because Miami can be such

14:15

a shit show. But you were

14:17

there for four years. How many years

14:19

did you make the playoffs in Miami? Well,

14:22

we were eleven wins,

14:24

eleven wins, nine wins and ten wins and

14:26

wet the only Yeah,

14:28

we actually only made the playoffs twice. We

14:30

got eliminated. If they would have had the current

14:33

system, we would have made it all four years, but

14:35

we got eliminated. We were the last team

14:37

even at ten wins. It was only I

14:39

think there was only eight teams or won ten games

14:41

that year and we were one of them. But for some crazy

14:44

reason we got we didn't get in. So

14:48

let's start with the Dolphins, which you have a history, And

14:50

I say this over and over, is it

14:54

you getting fired with Miami? The similarity

14:57

with you and Flores. He's not as

14:59

successful, but he went on a winning streak

15:01

at the end eight of nine. So I made multiple

15:04

calls on Flores, and this is what I basically

15:07

heard is he's a smart guy

15:09

and a good coach, but he just wears

15:12

out the offensive staff. And he

15:14

was running through coordinators and

15:17

Chris Greer is a very likable guy, and

15:19

they tried over and over and he was

15:21

just really difficult. So

15:24

here's my thing. If you're

15:26

Miami now and Stephen Ross

15:29

runs through coaches and they just

15:32

got rid of a coach who on eight of nine. If

15:34

you were a top coaching candidate, this is

15:36

what I always worry about, Dave. If you

15:38

were a top coaching candidate you were right now

15:41

when you were forty two, would

15:43

you even take that job? Is the Miami

15:45

situation becomes so toxic they're

15:48

going to get the sixth best coach

15:51

on the market. I don't think so, not

15:53

at all. I mean Chris Greer,

15:55

I brought him on board when I was the head coach.

15:57

The way it was structured back then was

16:00

head coach GM it's

16:02

way. Don Shula had it, It's way, Jimmy had its

16:04

way. I had it, and I hired actually,

16:07

Rick Spielman and George Peyton were

16:09

my two personnel guys, and they did

16:11

all the all the personnel work. But

16:15

we brought Chris Grier on in two

16:17

thousand and joined our staff as

16:19

a scout. I know Chris, Chris's

16:22

father was one of the best talent scouts

16:24

going way back in the day

16:26

that there was for the Patriots. So

16:30

Chris, I think, is a good evaluator. And

16:33

I look at it this way. If you can't get along with Chris

16:35

Greer, it's your fault. And

16:37

you know, and if you look real close, I

16:39

think it's a great job because a young talent,

16:42

it's there's a lot of young talent. I have

16:44

been a TA fan. I think

16:47

the circumstances that kid was in where

16:50

it sounds like there was a little

16:53

bit of a conflict between Brian

16:55

Floyd's and two. No one has told me that,

16:57

But if that's the case, even a little bit,

17:00

that kid's under a lot of stress. When about

17:03

you, when you're looking over your shoulder and you think

17:05

that the head coach may not have confidence

17:07

in you, so they get the right guy

17:09

in there. I think that's a program really

17:12

that the arrows pointing up. And

17:14

you know, when I listened to mister Ross's

17:17

press conference, think about

17:19

it. You're a successful businessman caller.

17:22

And what he was saying was, we

17:24

won nine games this year. We can win nine

17:27

games in the structure that we have,

17:29

But for us to be the best and

17:32

for us to win a Super Bowl, we

17:34

have to have a working

17:36

relationship and we have to have everybody

17:40

focused on the same goal and

17:42

working together to get there. That's

17:44

the only way it happens in this league or

17:47

in any business. So I get what he's saying,

17:50

and I guarantee it wasn't just the probably

17:52

the offensive staff to make a move

17:54

like this, a move that surprised

17:56

everybody. They had to.

17:59

I promise you they talk to more people than the

18:01

offensive coaches. I mean, it could

18:03

have been a situation where they talking to players

18:05

and all the players are going to say the right thing on video,

18:08

you know, but who knows when you get them

18:11

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18:13

weight coach, and you go when you talk to the trainer,

18:15

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18:17

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18:19

there is there a buzz here? What we're trying to

18:21

do is everybody excited about

18:24

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18:26

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18:29

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18:31

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23:11

right, let's pivot to the Bears, which you know well.

23:14

So the

23:16

best quarterback won

23:19

every single division in the NFL. This

23:21

year, every NFC

23:23

playoff team had an offensive

23:25

coach. Seventy

23:28

five of the playoff teams in the

23:30

AFC had

23:33

an offensive coach. There's

23:36

a cultural change in the league. So

23:38

what if the Bears with Justin

23:41

Fields and they have to restructure

23:43

their defense. But what if Dan Quinn

23:45

or Brian Flores knocks

23:47

it out of the park during

23:49

the interview. But you do

23:51

have concerns about their ability

23:54

to elevate the quarterback

23:56

because this organization, if

23:59

they don't getton Field right, Dave, it

24:01

doesn't matter who they hire. So

24:05

if you're if you're the Bears and you interviewed

24:07

Dan Quinn and he crushes it, but

24:10

you're like, I'd rather take the second best interview.

24:12

Do you believe we're getting to a point in the NFL

24:16

that you just seven out of ten

24:18

times you got a lean offense. I

24:20

mean, we see what's happening here. Offensive

24:23

coaches are winning all these divisions. We see the rule

24:25

changes. Well, I think they're winning a division

24:27

because there's more of them, you know. I

24:30

gotta say this in Jessto. And it's a setting

24:32

because I was promoting on our Fox

24:34

shows and everywhere I talk Vic Fangio,

24:37

I want to see some defensive guys because I'm a defensive

24:39

guy, and they set an interesting

24:41

staff. Vic Fangio and

24:44

the Denver Broncos were the first

24:46

team to have a top

24:48

five defense and not make

24:50

it to the playoffs since nineteen

24:53

ninety three, and the Bears what

24:55

they've watched that, Yes,

24:58

we were third in defense, it didn't make the playoffs,

25:00

and everybody has been I mean, I

25:03

throw that as a sidebar, a little

25:05

story, but I don't think

25:07

it makes any difference. I mean, if

25:09

you can get a look, I mean, look who I was

25:11

fortunate enough. When I was at the Dolphins,

25:14

I had Chan Daily and I

25:16

had North Turner. I mean, those two

25:18

guys are excellent. When I got the job

25:20

at the Bears, I hired Ron Turner,

25:23

you know who became the head coach at Illinois. He's

25:25

been of course. I mean, so I

25:27

don't know. I get what's going on, and

25:29

I and I understand that because everybody's thinking

25:31

in the back of their minds, we don't want to

25:34

win games ten seven. We want

25:36

to win games, you know, thirty five seven.

25:38

I mean that's the perception. So

25:42

I get that, but I don't

25:44

think it's a necessity to answer your question.

25:47

At the Bears. I don't think it's a necessity.

25:49

The Bears is real simple to me. Here,

25:52

here's what's gonna happen. They eliminated Ted Phillips

25:54

from the committee. It's basically

25:57

two people. It's

25:59

George mc ask you, the owner, and he

26:01

hired Bill Pollian as the consultant.

26:04

Bill Pullian is gonna have the

26:06

most influence of anybody

26:09

in hiring the Bills next

26:12

GM and head coach. That's

26:14

the guy at the Bear and Bill

26:16

Pullian has a great track record.

26:18

You know, he died I know Bill well, I think

26:21

he's very good, but you watch

26:23

what happened. It's gonna be a guy that came up

26:25

through the ranks with Bill. And I'm not saying it's gonna

26:27

be a guy from Indianapolis, even though they're talking

26:30

to I think two guys from Indianapolis.

26:32

But it's gonna be a guy out of that mold.

26:35

And then he's gonna probably pick the

26:37

coach. Now. The only

26:39

thing with the coach and

26:42

I and we're talking Bears now,

26:44

I just say, do not take a chance

26:47

on a guy that's been a coordinator

26:49

for six weeks, okay, for

26:51

a half a year. Let's get somebody

26:54

that has a track record

26:57

over time that we

26:59

know what his identity is coming

27:01

in. We know what this guy's gonna be. That's

27:04

what the Bears are lacking right now. And

27:07

I just hope that they go that direction.

27:10

And obviously, if it's an offensive guy, the

27:12

priorities gonna be take Brian.

27:15

You know, now, I'm a Jim Harball fan. You

27:18

know I've talked to Jim, and you know,

27:20

I hope the Bears reach out to Gym. They haven't

27:22

yet as of today. Okay,

27:25

Miami. After that Buffalo, New

27:27

England game. Mister Ross got

27:29

on his jet and you know where he went, Buffalo,

27:32

New York. Sunday morning. Talk to

27:34

Brian dave Ball. I would love

27:36

it if the Bear you hire Brian dave Ball.

27:39

I've never met the guy, so I don't have a

27:41

dog. As they say in the fight here, if

27:43

you hire a guy like Brian dave Ball

27:46

at the Bears, you know what you're getting.

27:48

Obviously, he's an offensive guy. He

27:50

was with Nick Saban, he was with Bill Belichick

27:53

and what you and he's taking a quarterback.

27:56

It's an athlete that can run, and

27:58

he's taking his whole game to another. I

28:01

don't know. That's the direction

28:03

that I hope the Bears go. Let's

28:07

talk Cowboys. You know him well, super

28:09

Bowl there. So it's

28:11

interesting with Jerry. Jerry

28:17

is kind of sometimes uniquely

28:19

patient. He gave Jason

28:21

Garrett more years than many believed

28:24

he deserved. He did, he did. He

28:26

just did give Jimmy enough time. I

28:30

say that just oh god. But

28:34

the bottom line is when people

28:36

want control, Jerry as a problem.

28:39

But Mike McCarthy's not a guy seeking

28:42

control. And so

28:44

I look at Mike McCarthy as a guy.

28:47

And I think Jerry has a history here. He

28:49

hires people he can control

28:52

and for as smart as he is, I

28:55

just look around the league and I just don't think Mike

28:57

McCarthy as an offensive coach is in the same

29:00

class as a Kyle Shanahan, a Lafleur,

29:02

a McVay, some of these young guns. And

29:06

but I also look at this, David. You know,

29:08

Jerry Jones. He is

29:10

loyal unless he thinks you're taking

29:12

power or headlines from him. And that's

29:15

not McCarthy or Jason Garrett's

29:17

emo or chan Gailey, that's not who they are.

29:20

So he tends to give kind

29:22

of Wade Phillips. He tends to give

29:25

guys who don't get a lot

29:27

of headlines an

29:29

extra year or two, does he not, That's kind

29:31

of how he operates. Oh, I think you're

29:33

right, But you know I said this, oh,

29:36

probably a week twelve

29:38

of the season. The

29:41

thing that disappointed me most about the Cowboys

29:43

this year is that Mike McCarthy, who's an

29:45

offensive guy, a quarterback guy,

29:48

that football team lost confidence

29:51

about three quarters of a way through the season. They

29:53

aren't that one sure. I don't know if he still

29:55

is, whether the Runners are throwing Kellam

29:58

Moore completely. I mean these talking about

30:00

it. He's not ready for a head coach job in my opinion.

30:03

I don't know the guy, but to me, when you

30:05

get hit in the backfield once with a run, you

30:07

gotta come up with a way to block

30:09

it or run a different run, don't give up

30:11

on it. So I'm not I'm

30:13

not there yet, But I thought Mike

30:16

McCarthy should have taken that offense by

30:18

the reins and said, hey, guys,

30:20

I have been there, I've done it. You

30:22

know we're gonna pull this thing together, but I'm

30:25

gonna I'm gonna take a bigger role

30:27

in this whole offense, and whether it's

30:29

play calling or not. I just felt like he should

30:31

have and it never happened. And you see

30:33

what happens in the last game. Then

30:36

Jerry's looking at this thing. I know j Jerry's

30:38

looking at this thing. We won the division, Okay,

30:41

we came up short. We'll get back

30:43

basically everybody back. We got a young team.

30:46

Let's look at Mike McCarthy's track record.

30:49

What ten win seasons out

30:51

of thirteen years or whatever it was at the Packers

30:54

and a super Bowl? Now, who am I gonna

30:56

go higher, You're gonna give the job to Kellen

30:58

Moore, or you're gonna go high. Some

31:00

of the guys we're talking about, I don't think

31:03

that doesn't whether it's wins

31:05

and losses or personality.

31:08

What you're talking about Colin fit with

31:10

Jerry's mentality.

31:12

It's not easy to find a guy like

31:15

that. It's really not no.

31:19

So Seattle's got itself

31:22

an interesting situation. So Russell

31:24

Wilson comes out on January six

31:27

or seventh and says I want to be here on

31:30

January fifteenth, But

31:32

nine days later, Mike

31:35

Silver, a reporter, comes

31:37

out with a tweet saying Pete Carroll

31:39

and John Snyder are staying. The

31:42

next morning, Russell Wilson

31:44

and his people leak Russell

31:46

wants to explore his options. So

31:49

it's pretty obvious that Russell Wilson

31:51

wants changes. Well. Ken Norton the

31:53

defensive coordinator, and Pete

31:55

has been loyal to Ken forever just got

31:57

fired. So and by

31:59

the way, I got nothing against Ken Norton,

32:02

but I did feel in the last several years

32:04

Seattle's schemes look,

32:07

we're outdated. People that I trust

32:09

in the league had said that they've got to

32:11

update their schemes, not just a personnel. So

32:15

if you had a quarterback Dave and

32:17

listen, Pete Comen fired twice and as had

32:19

a losing record in Seattle pre Russell

32:21

Wilson, have you ever had a relationship

32:24

where you lost your quarterback

32:26

and had to get him back. I mean, listen, Jimmy had

32:29

troubles with Dan Marino. It's hard. Do

32:31

you think Pete can ever get Russell Wilson

32:33

back? How do you reel that back?

32:36

In Star Quarterback? I was

32:38

told, okay, I was

32:40

told two days ago, three days ago

32:42

that they were having meetings and

32:45

Russell was right in the middle of it with Pete

32:47

and Schneider and everybody, and they

32:49

were talking about the changes. What did

32:51

they had to do to move forward? So

32:54

when Pete comes out and let's Kenny Norton

32:56

go Pete, Carroll ain't going anywhere. Guys,

32:59

if there was an issue of him going that, they're

33:01

gonna make They're gonna hear Russell's

33:03

voice again, and they're gonna try

33:05

to do what they can do to help him. I

33:08

don't know what those requests would be, but

33:11

I don't see there being a change. I

33:14

looked for Pete to be back, and I look for Russell

33:16

Wilson to be in Scattle next year. I really

33:18

do. And Russell Wilson is

33:20

a great player. He's

33:22

a Hall of Fame player. We know that, but at

33:24

this point in his career, well,

33:28

you know, it's a lot. You know. One of the biggest things

33:30

when I talked to Dan Marino and

33:32

when I got the Dolphins job, that

33:34

it was pretty evident from mister Isazinga,

33:36

the owner, that he wanted to make a change

33:38

of quarterback and on and on. So

33:41

that was my first job. I sat down with

33:43

Dan and I said, ay, again, we're gonna bring in chan

33:46

Gailey. We're gonna change the offense. And

33:49

Dan had been running the same offense for

33:51

basically what how many years was he in there? Ten,

33:54

fifteen, twenty years of TULA and then

33:56

Jimmy carried the same offense. They didn't change.

33:58

I was gonna change. And

34:01

that was hard on Dan because you know,

34:03

the mini camps in the off season, and

34:05

a guy at that age to get into the playbook

34:08

and change everything, it's not

34:10

easy. It takes a big offseason

34:12

commitment and those veteran guys,

34:15

you know, normally don't want to do that. They're kind of

34:17

setting their ways of getting away time

34:19

right deservingly so, and I

34:21

think that's where Russ is at now. I think

34:23

for him to go with a new coach and a new philosophy,

34:26

he's a smart guy. I don't see it happening.

34:29

I think he stays and I think they

34:31

come to an agreement on behind

34:33

closed doors on Okay, this is what

34:35

we're going to emphasize on offense. We all

34:37

agree, let's go. That's the way I

34:40

see it. So

34:42

I know Mike Mayock kind of So

34:45

what's interesting about Mayok who just got fired,

34:48

is that Dave a lot of those stars

34:51

on the Raiders, Hunter

34:53

Renfro, fourth or fifth round, Max

34:55

Crosby, later rounds where

34:59

Mayok got int rubble was his first

35:01

round picks. He had two complete

35:03

whiffs. The Clemson

35:05

defensive end Alex Leatherwood is not

35:08

a first round player. In fact that most gms

35:10

I talked to you said, move him inside. He's an interior

35:12

linement, not a tackle. They took him first round

35:14

as a tackle. People inside

35:17

the Raiders are saying that

35:19

with the first pick and the second pick of the draft

35:22

that Gruden would step

35:24

in because he had fifty one percent control

35:27

Mayok forty nine that Gruden

35:29

with the first pick would tell Mayok, Nope,

35:32

we're going with this guy. Yeah.

35:35

And then by the third round he just

35:37

gave it to Mayok because he didn't do all the homework

35:40

right, And that's natural. Yeah,

35:43

Okay, So it's really interesting when

35:45

you start looking at that Raiders roster.

35:48

There's some offensive talent. Colton

35:51

Miller, left tackle, Jacob's the running back,

35:53

Hunter, Renfro, Darren Waller, Derek

35:55

Carr, dave In.

35:58

In this league, this offensive

36:00

driven league. Not only were

36:02

they a playoff team, they they're

36:05

not that far off. I really

36:07

don't think they are. And here's here's what

36:09

I worry about. Derek

36:12

Carr wants Rich to be the coach. And

36:14

if you don't listen to Derek, do you lose Derek?

36:16

That's my concern. Well, he deserves

36:19

it. And you know, I like their defensive line.

36:21

I like the front seven calling. Those

36:23

guys got after it in a playoff

36:25

game with you know, they were forcing

36:27

field goals for with the Bengals.

36:30

I mean I thought they played great. You just

36:32

mentioned something and I don't really know

36:34

the guy. He did a couple of our games when I was coaching

36:36

a Pitton he was working in the TV Mike

36:39

Mayo. Someone should hire that guy.

36:42

I think, you know, we're talking about all these gems

36:44

and have you know all these young guys, all

36:46

these guru guys. Bring

36:49

in Mike Maylock and interview him. He

36:52

you just might really hit

36:54

on something big. Just

36:56

an opinion. You know, there's

36:59

there's talent on that roster. If

37:01

you go look at the mistakes, they

37:03

were first round mistakes and Gruden

37:07

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm gonna,

37:09

I'm gonna, I'm gonna get I'm gonna I'm gonna

37:11

give you an assignment, all right, and

37:13

I like the guy personally, rees

37:16

you won't do it. You've got you got ten people working

37:18

for you. Uh, get

37:21

get one year, guys and research

37:24

the last four or five games

37:27

of Cliff Kingsbury's

37:30

career, going back to Texas

37:32

Tech, every year that he's been at

37:34

Arizona. Look at the

37:36

end of the season wins

37:39

and losses. So

37:41

I know I've seen something. There's something

37:43

missing. So what you're

37:45

saying is in the last month and a half,

37:47

collegen pro, Now, what do

37:49

you suspect that is with Cliff Kingsbury, what

37:52

is the problem? Sense of urgency? Sense

37:55

of urgency? I mean, it's so easy

37:57

when you make the playoffs, so you're gonna be a

37:59

playoff team. You

38:01

know, the human nature says,

38:04

we're okay, we're good,

38:07

we made it, and we'll be fine

38:09

next week. Rather than sometimes

38:12

you got to create a crisis calling

38:14

you know what I mean? Things are just good, but

38:16

we got to go in there and create a crisis.

38:18

I gotta throw somebody out of a meeting because

38:21

he's not taking notes or paying attention, or

38:23

throw somebody off the practice field because he jumped

38:25

off sides twice. You gotta do something

38:28

to get everybody's attention. And

38:30

that's what I think. I when I looked

38:32

at this, the finish that these guys

38:34

have, they just it

38:37

didn't look like they were physically and mentally

38:40

ready to play in that game last night, you know,

38:42

or Monday night, whatever it was. Did

38:44

Jimmy do that when your team didn't have

38:47

Oh god, he was he was a he

38:49

was out of his mind. He'd say, let's go get

38:51

a beer after the game. He just screamed at the team

38:53

for ten minutes. I said, I got a headache. I'm going

38:56

home whiskey.

38:59

I'll see them all morning, about six or

39:01

five or whatever time you want to get together.

39:04

You know, we've got four

39:07

games this weekend, and this is

39:10

I know this won't happen, but this is one

39:12

of the rare weekends. I like all the favorites.

39:15

I feel like the Bengals have the weakest roster

39:18

in the playoffs, and I think they've hit their

39:20

ceiling. I

39:22

think the forty nine ers will give Green

39:25

Bay a good test because

39:27

of their ability to run the ball. They want to play

39:29

that thing in a phone booth and just make it an octagon

39:31

UFC battle. But I think at some

39:33

point there's limitations on what San Francisco

39:36

can do offensively. I

39:39

don't think the Rams can run it against Tampa,

39:41

and they're gonna have to throw the ball forty times on the

39:43

road with Stafford. I don't think that's the best

39:45

version of the Rams. Bill's

39:48

Chiefs. To me, as a coin flip, whatever quarterback

39:50

plays better, I'll take. I'd probably go

39:52

Kansas City. As I give you

39:54

those four games, what is your

39:57

strongest opinion of

39:59

any of those or games that you really

40:01

feel strongly about one of the teams.

40:04

I feel Green Bay because they had

40:06

a week off, and I

40:09

think last week's win for

40:11

San Francisco, and hey,

40:13

human nature, Kyle Shanahan's a great

40:15

coach. He's gonna be screaming at him.

40:17

But human nature tells

40:21

you that to put your guard down when

40:23

you have a win like they had last

40:26

week in Dallas. And

40:28

Kyle Shanahan was talking about the old Dallas

40:31

San Francisco days when I was at

40:33

Dallas and Jimmy and Michael

40:35

Ervin and Steve Young and

40:37

Jerry Rice. You know, he went into the

40:39

history of this game. Everybody. This was

40:42

a huge game, probably

40:45

a bigger game for San Francisco than it was for

40:47

Dallas at the end of the day, the way they addressed

40:49

it, the way what I'm hearing, and

40:51

for them to win that game, and now

40:54

they've got to re energizing

40:56

go on the road up the Lambo. I

41:00

really think the Packers got an opperhend

41:02

the one that I disagree with you calling. I'll

41:05

tell you what. Joe Burrow is

41:07

the closest thing. His

41:09

interview after the game. They

41:12

could not get him to say, this was

41:14

a heck of a win. He said,

41:17

we celebrated last week when we won the

41:19

division. We got bigger things

41:21

ahead of us. I'm telling you this Joe

41:23

Burrow has about us to a young

41:25

quarterback. And I was at

41:28

I was at the Dolphins when Tom Brady started,

41:31

started his first game, and

41:33

hearing Tom's press conferences for

41:36

all those years and still hearing him. This

41:39

Joe Burrow kid hasn't about as close

41:41

a mentality I think that

41:43

Tom Brady is any young quarterback

41:45

that I have seen. This guy is business.

41:48

So I like Cincinnati this week over the Titans.

41:52

Dave wants that fantastic buddy,

41:54

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