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All right a day later, but never a dollar

1:40

short. John Middlecoff, former

1:42

NFL scout. We do our fifty

1:44

minutes to an hour.

1:45

Chop it up. And even though this is the NFL's

1:47

offseason, there's all sorts of news going on.

1:49

DraftKings released, it's NFL win totals.

1:52

There's a couple of weird ones. God,

1:55

did Kirk Cousins get respect? The Falcons

1:57

are ten and a half that is ultimately

1:59

Vegas and DraftKings telling you Kirk Cousins

2:02

is a very good capable quarterback

2:04

in this league. Ten and a half, by the way, is

2:07

the same number for Josh Allen and

2:09

the Bills, and Joe Burrow and the Bengals

2:11

and Tua and Mike McDaniels.

2:13

So I think it's funny. There's just there's

2:15

certain people in every industry that are way more

2:18

respected than the public understands.

2:20

John Middelcoff, the former NFL scout

2:22

three and out that of all the draft

2:24

Kings, unders and overs

2:27

Falcons, ten and a half was like, holy

2:29

crap. And most I mean, they do

2:31

have a good old line for Kirk, but I

2:34

think Kirk Cousins is way more respected in the

2:36

league than he is outside of the league.

2:38

Well, think about it. The previous year, right, they

2:40

won thirteen games, they were in the playoffs.

2:43

They started slow this year, but

2:45

they were coming on. He was playing his best football

2:48

that they would have been a clear factor to make

2:50

a wild card. I mean he's proven. I mean,

2:52

if he's healthy in the team solid, he's a playoff.

2:55

Might not win in the playoffs, but he can get you there.

2:57

Which let's face it, ninety percent of owners

2:59

would sign up for a heartbeat just to be, you

3:01

know, playing football in the middle of January. I think

3:03

people, you know, obviously you want

3:06

to win the Super Bowl. All

3:08

these teams just want to make the playoffs,

3:10

right in football a lot like March Madness. It's

3:12

not a seven game scenario. The

3:14

Giants were not as good as the Minnesota

3:16

two years ago, but they beat them, and they played

3:18

in the second round and then they got their breaks beeat off

3:21

by the Eagles. You just got to get to the dance.

3:23

And then we saw the Giants win two

3:25

Super Bowls as wildcard teams. They

3:27

went on the road. Football is kind

3:29

of unique that way. Yeah.

3:31

And also to give you a double

3:33

shot of Kirk Cousins value the

3:36

Vikings despite a loaded offensive

3:38

roster, I think what's considered

3:41

one of the sharper offensive coaches, the

3:44

Vikings are only a six and a half win team.

3:46

Well that's Kirk Cousins and we both like

3:48

Sam Darnold athletically, but

3:50

they're telling you there's a gap of like three

3:52

to four games between Kirk Cousins

3:54

and Sam Darnald. So if you just look at the over

3:57

unders on the Falcons ten and a half Viking six

3:59

and a half, and we know the

4:01

coach with Minnesota in an offensive

4:03

pivoting league is a really effective coach

4:06

won a game without a practice with Josh Dobbs.

4:08

The Vikings are one of the more

4:10

talented teams in the league offensively six

4:13

and a half wins, so that doubles down

4:15

on Cousins is viewed inside analytics,

4:18

Vegas draft kings the league much

4:20

higher value than everybody outside of the league.

4:23

Well of all the guys right not making

4:25

huge money or a young player who's going to

4:27

ascend to make a lot of money like a CJ. Stroud.

4:30

Sam Darnold either is going to set himself

4:32

up to be a starting quarterback for the foreseeable

4:35

future if he has a good year and he's successful,

4:37

or he's just going to be a lifetime backup. I

4:40

mean that's because he's going to get judged. I mean, even

4:42

if they end up drafting JJ McCarthy, he's going

4:44

to start. It'd be hard for that guy to beat him out

4:47

come Week one. But

4:49

if he plays well, and they're definitely

4:52

people to play well with right at wide receiver.

4:54

But if it does not go well, like his days

4:57

of ever being discussed anymore, and I'd be

4:59

done holding on as well. Not that I have much

5:01

stock, but I haven't sold at all, that's

5:03

right.

5:03

I feel the same way. So Jmac on our

5:05

show today that heard FS one brought

5:07

up a really interesting point. He's very good at this because

5:10

he's got a lot of contacts with agents

5:12

and stuff. So here's

5:14

Jim Harbaugh just continually

5:17

saying JJ McCarthy's the best player in

5:19

the draft. I mean, this guy's unbelievable. Well,

5:22

as he brought up today, Minnesota

5:24

is poised to move up every rumor on

5:26

every board. As Minnesota's moving up, they've accumulated

5:29

two first picks. Well, they don't

5:31

want to move up to first, second, or third, probably because

5:33

then you'd have to give up multiple ones, you

5:35

know, for a college player. But

5:38

you could move up to five with the Chargers

5:42

and probably get JJ McCarthy because

5:44

we don't believe unless the Giants

5:46

move up spots to go to Arizona spot.

5:49

It really is very nobody. Chicago's not

5:51

given up their pick. I don't think Washington's

5:54

given up their pick.

5:54

Now.

5:55

New England's open for business at three,

5:58

but I think there's some misgivings. Would

6:00

Jade and Daniels size some

6:02

of his style of play to put him up in

6:04

New England in that weather? My

6:07

guess is so j Max said what they're doing

6:09

basically is Harbaugh is saying how great McCarthy is,

6:11

because if you like JJ McCarthy,

6:14

he'd be a reach at one, two or three, but

6:16

at five, if he is a reach, it's

6:19

not a huge reach. If he's projected to be nine,

6:22

ten, eleven, twelve. And all

6:24

Harbaugh is doing is saying, oh, this guy's

6:26

great. He wants you to spend more to

6:30

get his fifth pick. And I thought, yeah,

6:32

that's exactly what he's doing right well.

6:35

Adam Peters told the local guys today they're not

6:37

open for business. They've listened, but they were never

6:39

open.

6:40

That's Washington's GM.

6:41

That's Washington's GM. I do think

6:44

the Patriots saying that here's

6:46

the problem for the Chargers. Ideally they

6:48

would love to do that deal right eleven

6:50

twenty three, Maybe next year's too big

6:53

hole kind of help reset their roster money.

6:56

Austin for the Arizona Cardinals GM

6:59

said we have flagshing lights open

7:01

for business, right flashing lights.

7:03

Girod Mayo said, within the last twenty four hours,

7:06

we're open for business too. If

7:08

teams trade up before the Chargers, it takes

7:10

two to tango. Teams often say hey,

7:13

we wanted to move back or we wanted to move

7:15

forward. We couldn't get a yes on the other end

7:17

of the line. What if quarterbacks

7:20

and teams trade either the Patriots take a guy

7:22

or trade back, and the Giants and the

7:24

Vikings take three to four. What

7:26

happens to the Chargers if they get stuck there?

7:29

Because I have a hard time colin envisioning

7:31

them. And I know these wide receivers are viewed very highly,

7:34

and I know they just got rid of to google

7:36

Jim harboss history and his GM

7:38

just came from the Ravens. They would much

7:40

more be inclined to take a lineman that's

7:42

more of their style high in the draft. But they

7:44

already have a left tackle googling

7:47

alt he's only played on the left

7:49

side. I think it's a little rich for the Oregon

7:51

State guy who's more of a right tackle potentially.

7:54

Yeah, they already have two defensive linemen,

7:56

but you could always take a defensive lineman.

7:59

I don't think there's a guy I viewed as a number five

8:01

overall pick in this draft at that spot.

8:04

They could get stuck pretty quickly. Now they could

8:06

just take a wide receiver. Do you envision

8:08

a Ravens GM and Jim Harbaugh

8:10

taking a wide receiver with a film so

8:12

I can't. I can't.

8:13

So I have envisioned if they

8:16

got If the Chargers got Minnesota's

8:18

picks and it was two firsts, my

8:20

first thing I envisioned would be they moved

8:22

back to like what is eleven or twelve?

8:24

What are the Vikings eleven?

8:25

Yeah, my takeaway is that

8:27

they would take the

8:29

Oregon State tackle at eleven, maybe

8:32

a bit high, but he's a bruiser and they could

8:34

also use him on the interior of their issues.

8:36

And then I think their second pick would be a defensive

8:39

tackle from like Texas or one of the big interior

8:41

alignement right tackle,

8:43

defensive tackle. And I'm like, that's exactly

8:45

now. And then they'd go get a center. They got

8:47

two fourth round picks, They're going to get a center of the third

8:50

or the fourth round. That's what Jim

8:52

wants to do. He wants to get big. You know, George

8:54

Young, the legendary Giants GM

8:56

used to always say, what in doubt, go big

8:59

that heart. That's how Harbaugh and Baltimore

9:01

and the Harbaugh's draft, they just go big a lot.

9:04

Hell, I can make an argument. Zay Flowers is

9:06

the first home run wide receiver hit

9:08

that Lamar Jackson's had. Where you're I mean Odell

9:11

didn't make any impact. Mark

9:13

Andrews has been ready the start of the receiving

9:15

game. So yeah, I'm with you.

9:17

And they took him in the twenties, yes, right,

9:20

the Ravens, the Helodinadas, those

9:22

types they take higher. Ronnie Stanley,

9:25

Zay Flowers are are they taking even though

9:28

Moliku neighbors and Roma Dunes? They are viewed as

9:30

top ten? Marvin Harrison. I just

9:32

I have a really hard time. Now. Maybe Marvin Harrison,

9:35

he's seen him up close and personal, Maybe he feels

9:37

very comfortable with that player. But

9:39

I can't imagine that's what they want to do. But I can already

9:41

envision them getting stuck because

9:44

if if a quarterback goes one, two,

9:46

three, four, whether that's trade ups, obviously

9:48

Arizona would have to trade back. But let's say the Patriots

9:51

even stay there. What if there's no one to

9:53

trade with the Chargers?

9:55

Well, yeah, I so today

9:58

the New York Giants Amara family

10:00

said that they

10:03

can draft a quarterback at number six.

10:05

The Mars said they

10:07

will allow the GM and the coach if

10:09

they think it's necessary. Nice of them, nice

10:11

of them to say you can draft a quarterback, so

10:14

I think they will. I could see

10:16

the Giants actually, you

10:19

know my guess, I don't know. If

10:21

I knew Jade and Daniels in that weather,

10:23

I would much rather have. So don't

10:26

we both agree it's going to go Caleb Drake May one

10:28

and two. Do we agree with that?

10:30

Plasarrow said today from the league

10:32

meetings that he's heard a lot of JJ McCarthy

10:34

with Adam Peters. And when you think of Adam Peters's

10:37

history, right even recently, they won a

10:39

lot with Jimmy Garoppolo and then they had immediate

10:42

success with Brock Purty. Now, obviously these

10:44

two guys are two of the best. I mean, Brady's the best

10:46

player ever in Peyton mannings the top five quarterback.

10:48

He was around those guys in Denver and then New

10:50

England, so prototypical, and

10:52

the one guy that he completely whiffed on with

10:55

the group was Trey Lance. So I

10:57

wonder if they're more inclined. I heard

10:59

Drake May for but then when I saw that, I don't

11:01

think that's just getting thrown around because if

11:04

JJ could go four, what the hell's the

11:06

difference of taking him too. If people

11:08

like him at four or five, it's not crazy

11:10

to think someone would like him at two. Write the

11:12

same pick essentially, So

11:15

you either think the guys that started quarterback and a high

11:17

level or not.

11:18

Right, here's you, as

11:20

a former NFL scout with the Eagles, take

11:22

me inside. So I got into this thing

11:24

today. I said, Denver's in a weird spot.

11:27

So are the Raiders. Gardner

11:29

Minshew and Aidan O'Connell can't be the future

11:31

in that division, all right, But

11:34

what if you have bon Nicks at

11:36

let's say twenty four, your scouts say,

11:38

we think he's the twenty four to the best player. Do

11:41

I take him? Now? It's quarterback, and

11:44

I do believe I'm willing to reach at

11:46

pass rusher or quarterback

11:49

receiver. I won't because there's a glut of talent.

11:51

There's not a glut of receiver quarterback

11:53

talent annually in this league. Max Crosby fifth

11:55

round is a complete outlier. Brady in the

11:57

sixth round outlier. So what do you

11:59

do if your scouting department says, listen, we have

12:02

him like twenty four to twenty five, and

12:04

we've got the eleventh or the twelfth pick of Denver

12:06

and the Raiders, And I

12:10

mean, what do you do? What's the discussion

12:12

in the draft room.

12:14

I saw a quote today from Joe Shane the Giants

12:17

GM and he said, what makes it very unique

12:19

at the quarterback position? And Chris

12:21

Ballard talked about this forever, right, everyone always

12:23

wanted me to take a quarterback. Well, if I don't

12:25

like the guy at pick eighteen or fifteen

12:28

or twenty, just because he's quote unquote falling,

12:31

it's not a defensive lineman or a wide

12:33

receiver or a defensive back that

12:35

I can mix in. He can just ultimately

12:38

become my nickel corner or you know, he

12:40

didn't turn out to be a tackle, but he can be my guard,

12:42

or he can be my run stuffing defensive

12:44

tackle. Even if it clearly was the wrong pick,

12:46

he can still quarterbacks bat he's awful and

12:49

he just doesn't play right. So I think

12:51

it gets very tricky that just because a guy quote

12:53

unquote falling, guys that falling

12:55

and then are picked, it's because that when Aaron

12:57

Rodgers fell to the Packers, they liked him a

12:59

lot. Same with Jordan love Right,

13:02

he felt other teams didn't like him, but

13:04

they valued him and they took him. So I

13:06

think of a quarterback as quote, you know, if

13:08

bo Nick's there in the mid teens, you

13:10

either like the player or you don't

13:12

at that value. And if you don't,

13:15

you know, if you're unsure. I would never pick the

13:17

quarterback because that's

13:19

where you get in these positions where you're kind of stuck.

13:22

Where even these other the Chargers wide

13:24

receiver last year was a disaster. Well

13:26

you know it's like, well, maybe we figure something out,

13:29

maybe becomes our third wide receiver. Maybe

13:31

there are a couple of things he can do well for quarterback.

13:33

He either can play or he can that's right, and

13:35

that's why JJ McCarthy. I looked

13:38

at some of their athletic testing numbers. Alex

13:40

Smith was taller. I think

13:42

there are a lot of similarities with Alex Smith.

13:45

And once Alex got real coaching Andy

13:48

and Harbaugh, he was a really solid court

13:50

Never Josh Allen or Mahomes, but

13:52

he was damn good. You could make the playoffs with. And

13:54

I think and just because a guy has a high physical

13:57

ceiling Jayden Daniels, there's no guarantee.

13:59

So you have to like the guy, and

14:01

then you have to be able to everyone puts

14:03

the comps always like this guy's

14:06

the next Patrick Mahomes. I've been watching football

14:08

for thirty years. I've seen one Patrick Mahomes. Remember

14:11

when Draymond was drafted for five

14:13

straight years, like, this guy's gonna be the next Draymond. There hasn't

14:15

been a Draymond since. But no one ever

14:17

wants to comp like, you know what, this guy might

14:19

be Alex Smith, because everyone

14:21

always wants the guy to be a higher in the first

14:24

round. Sure you can do that with mid round picks,

14:26

but no one ever comps like, yeah, I think this guy's a

14:28

third wide receiver. Well we're taking the guy at

14:30

twenty, Like that's a problem. So I

14:32

think you got to be very careful with quarterbacks

14:35

high in the draft. That's why I think teams get very comfortable

14:38

when a guy falls to the second You've seen a lot

14:40

of success stories Matt Schob, Derek

14:42

Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo. There's a

14:44

lot less pressure. You don't have to play him right

14:46

away. Let's face it, in modern day football,

14:49

if I draft a guy Raiders Denver

14:51

in the top fifteen, no one

14:53

wants to see Gardner, Minshew or whoever

14:55

the Denver Jared sid him for long. Might

14:58

give me a game or two, but just throw the other guy, and

15:00

that sometimes can just get

15:02

yourself in a massive, massive problem.

15:04

Twy JJ McCarthy makes sense for

15:07

Minnesota. They don't have to throw him

15:09

in right away. Lamar Jackson back

15:11

in the day with uh Baltimore with the Ravens,

15:13

they had Flacco right so't he

15:15

didn't start until the middle of the season kind

15:17

of got to ease in. Even brock Perty now he

15:19

was a seventh round pick, but he wasn't forced into

15:22

action right away. Some of these guys get forced into

15:24

action. I don't care who you are.

15:26

As a young person, your confidence is very,

15:28

very brittle. I mean, you saw Bryce young. He

15:31

has another year like that, it could just ruin his career,

15:33

right. We've seen it happen at what Alex Smith

15:35

overcame with Nolan and Singletary

15:39

is one of the greatest accomplishments I've ever

15:41

seen. Most guys, it just ends them, right.

15:43

But he didn't break and then Harbaugh kind of resurrected

15:45

him. So I think that you have to be

15:48

a realistic with your expectations

15:50

at quarterback. But no, it's

15:52

it's very black or white. There's no like, well we

15:54

can mix this guy in twenty five snaps. And that's

15:56

where I think you get into a lot of problems with the position.

15:59

Yeah, I mean, if you will with a quarterback

16:01

at the twelve spot, you're just you just wasted

16:04

a pick. I mean, it's one thing if you trade a first

16:06

round pick like the Rams had done for years to

16:08

get you know, Jalen Ramsey and good players.

16:11

It's another one you don't have it because you whifted on a quarterback.

16:13

It's just hard to overcome the you

16:17

know, they there's the Dion Sanders

16:19

thing is interesting. Like listen, Colorado

16:21

football has been irrelevant outside

16:24

of the Bill McCartney days most of my life.

16:26

There was the Eric b Enemy. There was that four or

16:28

five year run when they just got a lot of LA kids

16:30

and they were fun and they were it was

16:32

really really a really interesting

16:35

program for about five years.

16:38

And so when Dion got the job, you know, my take

16:40

is he'll make them interesting and he'll recruit.

16:43

But I wonder if he's doing a disservice

16:46

to his son. So he's talked about

16:48

this whole My son doesn't want to play in cold weather.

16:50

Well, shit in January. Take out Miami

16:52

and domes. You know, twenty seven

16:55

of the thirty two teams are cold. You

16:57

know, it's you know, there's more Detroit.

17:00

Thankfully he's in a dome. In Minneapolis. Minnesota

17:02

is in a dome. But there's just a lot of cold weather

17:04

football. I mean, the Chiefs, the Bills, the

17:06

Ravens, the Patriots, the

17:08

Seahawks for a while. The Niners can be very

17:10

cold in January December. They've

17:12

dominated most of the last twenty five years of NFL

17:15

football, twenty seven years Pittsburgh.

17:19

I think Shaduur Sanders is really interesting.

17:22

I wouldn't take him over Caleb or Drake

17:24

may, but I do think there's an argument

17:26

I could take him over Jayden Daniels

17:30

when his dad says there may be an Eli

17:33

Manning situation. Boy,

17:35

my takeaway is Elway

17:39

was probably the greatest quarterback prospect

17:42

ever. That's why he's even referenced today.

17:45

Eli Manning's brother Peyton won

17:47

the MVP the year

17:49

he's coming out, so there's a oh,

17:52

oh, here we go. Peyton now

17:54

is the best young quarterback. Let's get his brother.

17:56

There was a lot of leverage the Shaduur

17:59

Sanders, even with Diana's a dad, have any

18:01

leverage to do that.

18:02

Well, I think both those guys said it when

18:05

they were established as the number one pick going

18:07

into the draft. You know, this

18:09

guy still has another year of college where

18:11

let's face it, anyone that watched the second

18:13

half of Colorado football, it was a fucking

18:16

disaster.

18:17

His last four games he had six touchdowns.

18:19

He was not very good. Now, his first couple

18:22

of games were pretty remarkable. It fell

18:24

off a cliff. Obviously. He

18:26

doesn't take, you know, an NFL scout

18:28

to watch his physical talents. Right, he can run,

18:30

he's got a big arm, but by no means

18:33

if you just pulled NFL gms that watched

18:35

him on tape, would they say he's some lock top

18:37

pick. Deon's one of the greatest prospects

18:40

of all time as well. And he you know,

18:42

he was in one of the great drafts with like Barry Sanders

18:44

and Jim Kelly made I forget exactly

18:47

now, that was way before him, but whoever his draft

18:49

was was incredible. In the Derek Thomas

18:51

and I remember Dion had a famous story about someone

18:54

wanted him to take a cognitive test and he

18:56

asked them what pick you're taking. It was like the Giants and they

18:58

were ninth. He's like, I'm not going to be there. I mean,

19:00

Dion had a lot of leverage because he was an all

19:02

time great prospect. Let's just let's

19:04

just see how these guys. We don't even know

19:06

what position Travis Hunter is gonna play. Is

19:09

he a dB or a wide receiver? Right?

19:11

I mean he eventually has to establish

19:13

a position to play in the NFL. He's not gonna

19:15

go both ways. Well, so to put this pressure,

19:17

and I understand he's like a father. He

19:20

basically is a father to Travis as well. I

19:22

have no problem having confidence, like these guys are gonna

19:24

be great NFL players. He's gonna have a big season. But

19:26

to make that statement already, let's face

19:29

it kind of puts a bad taste into everyone's

19:31

mouth coming in there, because, like you said,

19:33

one, you end up whether you're playing in La San

19:35

Francisco or Green Bay, you end up playing cold

19:37

weather games all the time, right with cross

19:40

rivals, even teams in your own division

19:42

end up being cold. The playoffs turn

19:44

cold on the road. He plays

19:46

in Colorado, right now, it's not. What's

19:49

the weather right now in Denver probably thirty five to

19:51

forty degrees. So I understand

19:54

that you know he's a Texas Florida guy, but

19:56

I one, we just have this

19:58

guy's not Caleb Williams or Trevor Lawrence.

20:00

He got everyone's universally agree that he's some elite.

20:02

Player Lway, Luck, Trevor

20:05

and Caleb. Going into

20:07

the season. We're a unanimous

20:09

MVP. Schauduur, isn't I think

20:11

people forget this if you take Jordan Addison

20:14

out of the equation sc pittsburgh

20:17

s seed to the Vikings the last

20:19

two years without an elite offensive

20:21

teammate, he had ninety

20:24

three touchdowns Caleb Williams and ten picks.

20:26

Those are in And this

20:28

year was the best the PAC twelve's been

20:31

in my adult life. I mean it was really as

20:33

good. I mean Arizona was good. I

20:35

mean Oregon, Washington it

20:37

was excellent.

20:39

Washington State was solid, cal was frisky.

20:41

Yeah, So it's like, guys, come

20:43

on, what are we talking about here? Utahzo was

20:45

good. So I like,

20:48

I can like Shaduur Sanders. I

20:50

don't think he's close to the power

20:52

thrower of Caleb Williams. I

20:55

mean, and both had bad offensive lines

20:57

this year. Look at the numbers, I mean down

20:59

the street should and I liked him against TCU.

21:02

The more I saw of Shaduur,

21:04

the less I liked him.

21:06

That's probably I mean, I think, if you had

21:08

to go off today, Travis Hunter is a better

21:10

prospect than Shador Sanders. Now, obviously

21:12

that can change, and he plays the most important position.

21:15

But there are gonna be a lot of eye I mean, there were a lot of eyeballs

21:17

on him at least early once they started being

21:19

terrible people you know, fell off. But I

21:22

think this year and it's gonna be fascinating. Let's

21:24

face that he plays in a crappy conference. I mean,

21:26

I would imagine the Big twelve of now the four,

21:28

the Big ten in the SEC. I would say

21:30

the ACC is going to be viewed as better than

21:32

the Big twelve going into the season.

21:34

So he you know, when it all said and done, what if

21:36

he's kind of playing nobody's and he's not that great

21:39

again? I mean, are we talking about some

21:41

for sure top ten pick.

21:43

I'm not saying that he can't. He could be the number one pick,

21:45

but he also could be a second round pick. There's

21:48

just no I would not put the rubber stamp right

21:50

now he is some lock top ten

21:52

pick. That's just not the way it works. And

21:55

things change. Think how often JJ

21:57

McCarthy wasn't viewed as a top ten pick coming

21:59

into the season. Hell even after the season.

22:02

I don't think universally the average person would

22:04

be like, that's the top ten pick. Now he's gonna go like top five.

22:06

Yeah, Jayden Daniels kind of have the Joe Burrow

22:08

ascension. No one was talking about that

22:10

guy, Whin's the Heisman. Now he's talked about Bo

22:13

Knicks. I mean think things change

22:15

very rapidly in football with the prospects

22:17

at the quarterback position. So if

22:20

they're going to talk a big game, which Deon does

22:22

because Dion can back it up, I

22:24

think sometimes he talks for

22:27

his kids. And you

22:29

know last year that Colorado State situation

22:31

talking before the game before what happened was

22:34

best player got destroyed,

22:36

ruptured a kidney, and like almost died on

22:39

the field. So DEM's coach

22:41

now, right, he's not the player. So

22:43

you put this added pressure on him, and he'd

22:45

say, well, they have pressure no matter

22:48

what because of my name and that's true, but

22:50

I think this is another level. I mean, that's gonna be a

22:52

major talking point all next fall.

23:02

So they're at the league meetings. The

23:05

hip drop tackle was banned. The

23:07

defensive players are objecting to it. It's very

23:10

hard for a smaller player to tackle a big player.

23:13

Puts the defense at a further disadvantage.

23:15

I don't think the league cares. Also,

23:18

yeah, yeah, it means more passers to the tight

23:20

end. And my takeaway is they're going to throw the ball to the pigs.

23:23

More.

23:24

Replay assistance will now be permitted

23:27

to change incorrect calls for roughing

23:29

the passer and intentional grounding. People

23:32

could argue, God, that's too much complexity to

23:34

the replay system. I actually like that none

23:37

of these. None of these bothered me. I

23:39

don't think you know one

23:43

of the things that has changed in football and for

23:45

the better. People often say they

23:47

like defense, they like their team

23:50

having a good defense. They don't really

23:52

like defense. So if I said to you the Super

23:54

Bowl was nine to six or

23:56

twenty eight to twenty seven, fans

23:58

would take the ladder. People love defense

24:01

when it's theirs, but people fans

24:03

will watch any great offense. It doesn't

24:05

matter. If it's the greatest show on turf, it's Mahomes

24:07

in his biggest year with Tyreek, and so I

24:10

think the league's very clearly saying

24:12

we're trying to keep the players healthy. We're gonna

24:14

lean offense. It's good for fantasy,

24:16

it's good for TV. Almost

24:19

everything to me is just safety or

24:21

TV product. That's how I view all these

24:23

rule changes.

24:25

Well, my initial reaction is I don't think it's

24:27

necessary because I think the defensive

24:29

player, you know, the pure football

24:31

element. If I'm trying to get most

24:33

guys are not Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis

24:35

and Brian Urlacker that can form

24:38

tackle anybody in space. I'm doing

24:40

whatever I can to get Christian McCaffrey, Alvin

24:42

Kamara, or Travis Kelsey to the ground.

24:45

Well, who did I just name? Besides the quarterbacks,

24:47

the most famous players in the league have the ball in their

24:49

hand. They want Deebo, Samuel,

24:52

Alvin Kamara, Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley.

24:54

They don't want him to get injured. Right, those

24:56

are the people for fantasy football. People

24:58

watch the casual fan, which the NFL has

25:00

more of. They want to protect those guys.

25:03

So I think it's just simple. Do they

25:05

truly care about safety? I don't think

25:07

they even did it with the head. They just didn't want to get suit anymore.

25:09

It was all a cover your ass move, and

25:11

that's been regulated out of the game,

25:14

right, there's no people don't launch themselves

25:16

anymore. The quarterback, and you've been

25:18

saying this forever. The quarterback's the most important

25:21

position for all of us fans to watch. No one

25:23

wants to watch the Bills play the cheeks.

25:25

We'll two backup quarterbacks even if we

25:27

get mad on ridiculous

25:29

roughing the pastors. The intention is

25:31

to keep those guys safe and that I understand

25:34

that this one. I'm not going to freak out until

25:36

I see the way they call it, because as a defender,

25:39

the overwhelming majority of players are

25:41

just trying to get the player to the ground, right. No one's

25:43

trying even the guy that hurt Mark Andrews.

25:46

Obviously he was not trying to injure him. And I think

25:48

this is where the players have been saying this

25:50

forever. Once they cut the quote

25:52

unquote head hunting, they go after the knees.

25:54

Well, what pays the Bills for these guys? They're lakes

25:57

and so we've seen a lot of knee injuries because guys get

25:59

their kne He's blown out. It happened to the taller players

26:01

like Gronk forever. So listen,

26:03

I think they they overreact

26:06

to stuff like this. And the

26:08

writing was on the wall a couple of weeks ago when they were

26:11

all openly talking about in the league office. I would

26:13

imagine a lot of coaches don't like it. But as we've seen, they

26:15

don't give a shit what the coaches think, you know, So

26:17

this is all, like you said, it gets back to the TV. It's

26:20

why whenever you see these rules, ninety

26:22

percent of the time, the coaches would always vote no.

26:24

They have no power. It's just the league,

26:26

the owners and the money, which then the

26:28

coaches and the players all benefit from.

26:31

But some of these rules back to remember

26:33

the CBA. There's no practice anymore. Well,

26:35

yeah, that limits the development of young

26:37

quarterbacks and offensive linemen. But Roger

26:40

Goodell and his team is not thinking about that. They're

26:42

just thinking about revenue growth, revenue growth

26:45

and safety. They've kind of figured out a formula

26:47

and safety, so for the offensive players.

26:50

You know, it's interesting. I've

26:53

always had kind of a theory about what I do is

26:56

that if

26:58

I get new information, change my opinion. And

27:01

I'm not your classic journalist,

27:03

obviously, I'm not a boots on

27:06

the ground guy. But I'm texting, texted

27:08

NFL two NFL gms today about

27:10

something so and you have the same

27:12

content contacts and the same

27:15

kind of effort.

27:15

Is that we're both.

27:18

Seeking information constantly and sometimes

27:20

I just get new information. And

27:22

I was very cool on Ryan

27:24

Poll's you know former offensive

27:26

lineman the Bears GM a Vilas Jones

27:28

pick. I could not stand at number

27:31

three. I just thought it was a complete

27:33

with and I thought they just didn't do their homework

27:36

or their sec scout didn't do their homework because

27:38

at sc he couldn't track the ball. He was a returner.

27:40

Max.

27:41

I didn't love the Chase Claypool move, but I understood

27:43

it. Mooney was a smaller player, Chase was

27:45

a big body, had a great rookie year. Distracted

27:48

player didn't work. But I

27:50

got to tell you, as a former offensive lineman,

27:53

I think he's put some effort into draft capital,

27:55

and I think their left tackle and right tackle can

27:57

both play. They had another tackle they moved

27:59

inside. They've saved his career

28:02

I thought the Dj Moore move, Keenan

28:04

Allen, DeAndre Swift, Gerald Everett,

28:07

I've got to be honest, I did not a year

28:10

ago. I did not trust Ryan Poles

28:12

the GM of the Bears. But I've got

28:14

new information. The other thing they're doing,

28:17

which the Steelers aren't. The Steelers and the

28:19

Bears are defined defensively. They're

28:21

cultures. I mean, outside of Bradshawn Ben

28:23

and some talented receivers, it's a defensive culture.

28:26

He is saying, No, that's not

28:28

what we're gonna do here. We're gonna spend money on offense.

28:30

That's what the Rams do, the Browns

28:32

are doing, That's what the Chiefs are doing. It's

28:35

the opposite of the Steelers. So I

28:38

find over the last two weeks when he went

28:40

and got Keenan DeAndre Swift,

28:42

good pass catching running back, twenty five year

28:44

old kid, good player, not a great player, good player,

28:46

and then Gerald Everett with Cole Kamet,

28:48

those are functional, smart players.

28:52

I've got to be honest. Between Caleb, who I

28:54

really like, between these offensive

28:56

pieces, I

28:59

almost feel like I've got new information. I

29:02

think I think the Bears got the GM

29:04

right. How is he viewed inside

29:06

the league.

29:07

Well, I mean, I think he had what has potential

29:10

to be one of the great moves in the history of the league

29:12

in that trade that he made last year with the

29:15

Carolina Panthers, right, because

29:17

for a while looked like he was going to be defined on some of

29:19

his worst moves that was early on. I

29:21

mean, that Chase Claypool move was pretty embarrassing

29:24

because his pick ended up being really high, and I think

29:27

the Steelers ended up drafting Joey Porter Junior,

29:29

who's a really high end play. I mean, that pick at the high

29:31

at the beginning of the second round is very, very valuable.

29:35

But that Carolina Panther trade, I

29:37

mean truly was a game changer. And if Caleb

29:39

he does not have to become Patrick Mahomes, if

29:41

he just as a top ten NFL quarterback, which

29:44

would be probably the best quarterback in the history of the franchise,

29:47

it would change their franchise forever. And

29:49

he took advantage of a team and an owner who

29:51

was desperate and cleaned up right,

29:54

and he also added one of their best players who

29:56

was under contract in Dj Moore. Because my

29:58

first thought last year when they traded for Swam, I'm like God,

30:00

that's a little much. Well then they immediately got him.

30:02

They started winning games, their defense was better, so

30:04

their draft pick actually ended up not as bad.

30:07

They got him under contract and like, actually

30:09

that aged pretty well. I had to kind of eat that. I was like, well,

30:11

that's not as crazy as it looked. So yeah,

30:14

when you work for Andy and Veitch

30:16

and John Dorsey, he was around a lot

30:18

of high level people for a while, and

30:20

I think it's fair. I'm sure you would agree,

30:23

and you've done this just like most people. Every

30:25

human being makes bad business decisions. Most

30:28

people's are not public as a GM.

30:30

Every move you make is very

30:32

public, right, so you're gonna have bad

30:35

ones, but it doesn't have to define you if your great

30:37

moves are awesome. Joe Douglas

30:39

has had some really good moves for the Jets, but

30:41

his quarterback moves so far have just not

30:43

worked out, and it's going to ultimately get him fired if they

30:45

don't work. So, if you figure out the quarterback

30:48

situation, which they are primed to do in Chicago,

30:51

all these other kind of they're not even antler moves

30:53

because they were kind of big, have a chance

30:55

to. If DJ Morris is in the pro Bowl for a couple of

30:57

years, and Sweat's a pro bowler. I mean, we're

30:59

gonna talking about this guy like a top ten GM

31:02

and if he can get the Bears as a

31:04

winning operation. Now, as

31:07

a GM, you're also very dependent on your head coach.

31:09

There is no great general manager that doesn't

31:12

either have a good de great head coach. So

31:14

you don't once the season starts,

31:16

you're not implementing anything. You're not with the player,

31:19

you're not doing anything. Really, Chris Verry, Chris

31:21

Balar gets a second.

31:22

Yeah, Chris Balard's reputation is going to improve

31:25

over the next two years because of Shane Steichen.

31:27

Well, I mean he has might have the next Kyle Shanahan,

31:29

right, So it's gonna it's gonna change his life,

31:32

right, it already did this year. The quarterback got hurt.

31:34

We're all like, oh, culture screwed. All of a sudden, they're in

31:36

the playoff Mixed Week seventeen with

31:38

Gardner Minshew, So there's

31:41

a lot of pressure on Eberflus And

31:44

most GMS get two coaches, so

31:46

this was kind of a packaged deal. Pollyan,

31:48

remember was involved with the hiring of

31:51

these guys. He was definitely Eberflus.

31:53

So if this doesn't work out, you get

31:55

another one. You gotta get it right, because

31:58

if he gets it right with Caleb and the player, he

32:00

could be viewed as an elite guy. But

32:02

if he doesn't a lot like the quarterback

32:04

position, just because you have a good quarterback, if your

32:07

coach isn't good enough, you're gonna be in trouble. I think the

32:09

pressure on Iberflus, Sirianni,

32:11

and McCarthy because of their markets, because

32:13

I mean it's the Cowboys. He has no years left

32:16

on his contract. They almost fired Siriani

32:18

like two months ago. Those guys are going to be in their own

32:20

little stratosphere and the way we talk about it. But

32:22

I think eber Flus that the pressure starts immediately

32:25

because of their roster, because of the talent, and

32:28

because they have a quarterback that we've been talking. It

32:30

happened in Jacksonville right part of Urban

32:32

Meyer. Obviously there was a lot going on, but like you

32:34

got handed Trevor Lawrence, So to

32:37

me, the pressure gets multiplied by like

32:39

ten. You know that Frank

32:41

Reich, all of a sudden, we draft this guy at number one, we

32:43

trade our franchise. I gotta fire

32:45

you. It's not where that adds an element

32:47

of pressure with the high quarterback pick, or

32:49

it makes you Demiko get

32:51

the guy right, like god, Dimko's a shooting rocket

32:54

ship. Now he might he would have been probably

32:56

saw it. He would have figured out because Demko's pretty special.

32:58

But I don't know. I mean, Lose looks like he's

33:00

changed his look feels a little younger, and.

33:02

He noticed that.

33:04

Yeah, so his team's

33:06

good. I mean, there's no disputing the roster talent

33:09

is I mean, Keenan Allen's are real. They

33:11

have multiple receivers, they have a tight end, they got

33:13

some good they have picks. The thing, it's

33:15

not like they just got Kleb then it'll pick again until the second

33:17

round. They have the ninth pick in the draft,

33:20

so the ability to either trade back or

33:22

take a player. Imagine if they get

33:24

that right. So they have this really talented

33:26

roster on paper already, and they had Caleb

33:29

Williams and player X.

33:31

If that guy becomes an immediate impact player,

33:34

we're talking about this team as a wild card.

33:36

Well, I I if I was Chicago, I'd

33:38

trade down at nine.

33:40

I really would.

33:41

Again, you're in a we've talked about the Chargers

33:43

and the Giants. I think those

33:46

positions like five and six are too

33:48

rich for some of these quarterbacks.

33:50

Nine.

33:51

You know, if somebody wants to go Raiders eleven

33:53

to nine, that's.

33:54

Different than eleven. Denver sitting right there too.

33:57

Yeah, so I could see where

33:59

the Bears move down just three spots. Because

34:01

this draft, I've been told, has eighteen

34:04

first round players. It's usually about fifteen

34:06

to sixteen. This feels like eighteen or night. The UCLA

34:09

end is kind of the end of perceived

34:12

first round talent, you know, the end of the first round,

34:14

Those last eight to nine picks, it's no man's land.

34:17

Everybody would rather have top of the second picks.

34:19

But I've heard the UCLA rush

34:21

end is probably in that

34:23

small group of last considered

34:26

elite start day one players be very

34:28

productive. So I do think

34:30

the Bears are in a good spot. Jalen

34:33

Johnson the corner, Montese Whatt defensive

34:35

line. I would think if they've

34:37

got two receivers. Now, my take was

34:39

their offensive moves in free agency

34:42

signaled that that number nine pick is going

34:44

to go defense. They got to get Ibra flu

34:46

something, right. You can't just keep saying I

34:49

got receivers. I got tight ends, and for

34:51

the record, I think they probably

34:54

they probably need I

34:57

mean, if you look at that position, there's a

34:59

verse from Florida State. They could probably use another

35:01

rush end.

35:02

Yeah, you could take the Bama pass rusher as well.

35:04

You could take one of those two guys for sure. If you get

35:06

stuck. The one thing with Chicago,

35:08

you'd say that division. Detroit

35:10

kept their offensive coordinator, who I think a lot of

35:12

people view as the lynchpin of that operation. So

35:14

they're gonna be good again. The talent on that roster

35:17

is not really debatable. It's top

35:19

five to six in the NFL that the Lions

35:22

roster, And like most people, it's

35:24

hard to bet against the Packers if Jordan Love is going

35:26

to be a good player, So it's it's like it's going

35:28

to be easy for them right that

35:30

they're playing. And if Minnesota is just a

35:33

credible operation with a lot of good

35:35

talented players, it's going to be a challenge.

35:38

And even if Caleb is really good, it's the

35:40

NFL is hard. I mean, Peyton Manning

35:43

set a record for interceptions this rookie

35:45

year. So it's it's just the pressure

35:47

that comes along with it. Now, Caleb, like

35:50

you know, a lot of guys in recent memory has been under the spotlight.

35:52

He's used to it, he's used to getting paid,

35:54

so the money shouldn't overwhelm them. But there's

35:57

when's the last time the Bears had this much pressure

36:00

slash interest going into probably fifteen

36:02

plus years ago.

36:03

When's the last time they had this much offensive

36:05

talent? When's the last time the Bears

36:08

had a legitimate star number one receiver

36:10

and a legitimate star number two

36:12

receiver that's just not that you

36:15

know, and a star quarterback. I couldn't

36:17

tell you the last time he had Jay Cutler. Didn't he have al Seon

36:19

Jeffrey?

36:20

Yeah, he had Alshon. They had Brandon Marshall for a minute, they

36:22

had those two guys. They were solid, they

36:25

were a real team, and that's kind of what this. But

36:27

Jay by that time was a veteran player

36:29

played Okayleb's been in Lincoln

36:31

Riley's offense. There is a little bit of a jolt,

36:34

you know, yet Waldron runs more of

36:36

the Shanahan operation. There's time

36:38

to just get used to playing in a

36:40

system where you're probably under center a little more

36:42

now. Part of it is as an offensive coordinator.

36:44

You're not going to force him to do things he doesn't want

36:47

to do, but you also have to kind of

36:49

find a middle ground. So I'm

36:51

fascinated. I Like you said, Ryan

36:53

Poles, I give him an a plus. For about

36:56

the last twelve months, he's been kicking ass and taking names.

36:58

No, I think he's done a really good job. And that's

37:00

just one of the things I believe to be true. Like

37:02

I never understood Lessen. You could criticize me all

37:04

day long, but it's like I changed

37:06

my position all the time because I get new information. The

37:08

other thing I think is funny about being

37:10

in a public job, whether you're a quarterback

37:13

or a mayor a talk show host, things

37:15

that looked like a hot take end

37:17

up not being a hot take. I mean, if I'd told you a year before

37:20

it happened, Kevin Durant's going to go to the Warriors,

37:22

he'd be like, well, you're talking

37:24

about Oklahoma City is a finals

37:27

level team. And you

37:29

know, if you'd just said, you know, Sean

37:31

Payton's going to take that Denver job. I

37:33

mean, I remember when he took it. I was he wouldn't

37:36

talk to me the last couple of days when the rumor got out, and

37:38

I'm like, he wanted the Chargers

37:40

job. He didn't want that Russell Wilson thing. That's not gonna

37:43

There are so many There are so many situations

37:45

that I would have said ten years ago it's a hot

37:47

take, Like I didn't get JJ McCarthy

37:49

at all, and then all of a sudden, I got

37:51

two people from the combine. One said, yeah,

37:54

we just talked to him at the whiteboard. She

37:56

was unbelievable, and I was like, oh,

37:58

that's what I heard about Baker before he went one. And

38:01

then all of a sudden, I saw twenty one extra pound show

38:03

up. So the JJ McCarthy

38:05

stuff is kind of one of these. If you'd

38:07

have said it a year ago, there's gonna

38:10

be a wild pursuit of JJ

38:12

McCarthy to be a top five quarterback.

38:15

A year ago, I would have been like, you're out

38:17

of your mindy sky.

38:18

A year ago, I would have said, watching the Penn

38:20

State game four months

38:22

ago, like you're nuts. The Ohio State

38:25

he played, He made some plays against Ohio

38:27

State in Alabama. Too great that. But

38:30

here's the thing. When you draft

38:32

a guy, you're not really just thinking

38:34

about Week one, right, you're really thinking about

38:36

twenty twenty seven, twy twenty eight, two

38:38

thousand and thirty. You're thinking about him being your

38:40

quarterback for a decade plus. He

38:42

just turned twenty one years old. For

38:44

example, Will Levis is going to be twenty five,

38:47

right, so it's like the age matters.

38:51

What he was asked to do matters. I

38:53

saw John Lynch talk to the press today and

38:55

he's like, he's like, you know, I wanted to go to the

38:57

USC Pro Day and he's like, one of my

38:59

main sky like, don't waste your time.

39:01

Go to the Michigan Pro Day. They have eighteen

39:03

players we ain't taken Caleb. Go watch

39:06

the talent. So he played on a team

39:08

Colin that is gonna set potentially the NFL

39:10

record for players drafted in one individual

39:12

draft. They already set the combine record that

39:14

they set six offensive line only five

39:17

guys can play. I don't even know how that's possible, right,

39:19

but that shows you. It's like USC Matt Castle's getting

39:21

drafted, He's not even taking a snap. Shows you the talents

39:23

at a different level. Well, when I out talent, most

39:26

people I don't need to be playing

39:28

like Lincoln Riley and that you know,

39:30

try to score forty five points. That's not how hardball's

39:32

ever played. So I think you start, you

39:35

know, judging him on the context of everything

39:37

and character and all the intangible

39:40

stuff. Let's face it, it doesn't matter as

39:42

much as the other positions. Jalen Carter

39:44

has a ton of red flags. He's a six foot

39:46

five, three hundred and twenty pound interior rusher.

39:49

He was never falling out of the top ten

39:51

if a quarterback had those. I don't care how

39:53

talented he is. He's not getting drafted. I yeah,

39:55

he's just not so wide

39:58

receivers, defensive lineman people are ye. I

40:00

will figure it out. Well, quarterback

40:02

matters.

40:02

Marvin Harrison Junior, I

40:05

think benefits from his dad's very

40:07

sort of quirky personality.

40:09

His dad, you know, it's very well known.

40:11

I've never even heard the guy talk his dad or Marvin

40:14

Harrison Junior.

40:15

So it was very well under I mean I had a

40:17

source tell me, I've had two sources,

40:20

once when he was playing and once recently talking

40:23

about Marvin Harrison's dad. Like

40:25

he didn't like after practice.

40:27

Sometimes he wouldn't shower in the facility.

40:30

He would literally go home. He

40:32

didn't hang out with the players. So he

40:35

was an odd ball. Like, first of all, he only played

40:37

on one side of the field with Peyton Manning.

40:40

He was sort of kind of a

40:41

rigid, rigid personality. There was

40:43

the story about gun charges, Philadelphia

40:46

murder. I mean, there's a lot of shit out

40:48

there. So his son doesn't goes

40:50

to the combine, he won't talk, he won't do a pro day, he won't

40:52

go to the combine. And my takeaway is, well,

40:55

his dad, you can watch him play.

40:57

He just doesn't look like anybody else. I love

41:00

Roma Dunza, but he didn't have quite

41:02

the explosiveness. The kid out of LSU

41:05

is good. He didn't quite have you

41:07

know. Harrison's just he's like Calvin

41:10

Johnson, I just don't see any holes. And

41:12

the truth is Ohio

41:15

State does good job with receivers and

41:17

his dad is probably given him all

41:19

sorts of insight. So it's funny about

41:21

like people are getting caught up in hair Marvin Harrison

41:23

and they're like, oh, he doesn't talk, it's odd. I'm

41:25

like, that's dad that

41:28

I mean, people, Marvin Harrison. There's

41:30

a thirty for thirty there, Like,

41:34

I mean, I know everything

41:36

about Randy Moss. I know a lot about Calvin

41:38

Johnson, who's a pretty reticent guy, doesn't talk.

41:41

I don't know anything about Marvin

41:43

Harrison's. There's two great thirty

41:45

for thirties that have never been done.

41:47

Michael Jordan's Wizard years they

41:50

were.

41:51

That won't get done yet.

41:53

It was as show and

41:56

Michael won't let any of that stuff out. And

41:58

the second one is Marvin Harrison in in Indianapolis.

42:01

I mean he was, I mean

42:04

it was, he was on the team, but

42:06

players would tell you he just wasn't one of the

42:08

guys like at all. So that's his

42:11

son. So I'm like, I kind of chalk it up to like fatherlike

42:13

son.

42:14

Yeah. One thing I saw with textan

42:16

around. You know, I don't know if Marvin

42:18

Harrison was gonna run like four four five

42:21

yeah, and if you run four five

42:23

two, you know, when we're talking about

42:25

the elite of the elite, Larry Fitzgerald, the Julio

42:28

Jones. Julio Jones ran like a four four to four

42:30

with a broken foot. Remember at

42:32

his pro day. You

42:34

know, the Calvin Johnson's of the world, he's

42:36

not quite that. And his dad's

42:38

like, none of this stuff matters, just it doesn't

42:40

matter. So he's not doing any of it. He's

42:43

at any other position, or I mean at the quarterback

42:45

position, it would be weird. Like even Caleb threw

42:48

at the Pro day right, which I give him

42:50

credit because when you work

42:52

out at a pro day, who doesn't help Brendan

42:54

Rice? It helps your teammates.

42:56

Marvin Harrison's in his own little world. No

42:58

one cares if wide receives are in their own little world.

43:01

You watch wide receivers during contract negotiations

43:04

in the NFL. It's always a

43:06

big hooplaw. It's just not like

43:08

that at other positions. So you know,

43:10

you talk to people in the NFL, they don't all believe

43:12

that Marvin might be the best prospect in

43:14

this draft, the kid at LSU.

43:16

But he's got some off the field questions. Rome

43:19

is probably a little safer, bigger.

43:21

But is he as fast is he is Chris?

43:24

You know, it depends who you talk to. Where all these

43:26

guys are getting drafted somewhere between six

43:29

and twelve, So I mean, at the end of

43:31

the day, that's the other thing that bothers me. Like he

43:33

fell in the draft, he went seventh

43:35

or ninth. You know, it's not falling

43:38

in the draft. Quarterbacks push guys down.

43:40

Offensive linemen push guys down. If

43:42

you get drafted at eleventh overall, you're

43:45

you're pretty highly viewed in NFL

43:47

circles. I think it's safe to say.

43:57

So. One of the things John Middlecalff

43:59

three and n former NFL scout. One of the

44:01

things people come up to me all

44:03

the time when I mentioned my podcast

44:06

or they asked me about the volume. And you've

44:08

got a lot of fans out there. And one of the

44:10

things that I think is strength

44:13

is your a very relatable guy. You

44:15

like your vodka, you like your gambling. You

44:17

know, you're just like a relatable guy. You

44:20

like your golf. I want to talk

44:22

about the show Hey o Tani story because

44:24

my takeaway and I know it came off as

44:27

sort of maybe callous, but

44:29

as long as he didn't bet baseball, I

44:32

don't care. First of all, our

44:35

life experience is shape us. My first

44:38

job out of college was Vegas. I just knew

44:40

gamblers. It didn't mean anything. I didn't

44:42

think they were bad people. I mean people are doing

44:44

things on Wall Street with my four oh one K. I

44:46

have much greater concerns that what they're doing

44:48

in a sports book at the Hilton. The

44:50

second thing is when

44:53

you're young and you're making a lot

44:55

of money, and like I'm not talking like

44:57

a million dollars, I'm talking like Mahomes

44:59

show. You have people

45:01

that are really doing a lot of your work for

45:03

you. You're not doing your books, you

45:06

know. I mean everybody in Hollywood, even

45:08

even be actors, they have entertainment attorneys

45:10

and accountants. Shohetani

45:13

is not looking at his checking account like the rest

45:16

of us are, Like he has no IY. He may have multiple

45:18

checking accounts in Los Angeles

45:20

to avoid taxes. You know, you've got LLC's

45:24

es corpse. You're doing whatever you can. Now he's a he's

45:27

an employee, so there's limitations on what he can do.

45:29

But you know you're all trying to in California

45:31

with thirteen and a half percent you know, state taxes

45:33

to avoid it. This

45:36

part, I totally believe he's not watching

45:38

his checking account like that money is going to

45:40

his attorneys, it's going to his stock

45:43

portfolio. I heard when Tiger Woods was in his prime,

45:45

he was sending a check of And I'm

45:47

not just like twenty million a month to

45:49

his financial advisor like they just off

45:52

the top, twenty million, two hundred and forty

45:54

million dollars. It was something something absurd like

45:56

that.

45:56

Yeah it was. He was making one hundred million

45:58

dollars a year. So if you yeah it was he million

46:00

dollar check or ten million dollar check, it's not that crazy. Maybe

46:02

it was.

46:03

Maybe it was twenty million dollars a year off the top,

46:05

just went to the market. It was some absurd

46:08

amount. And you know you're

46:10

not You've got people that do this. I

46:14

can buy Otani saying,

46:16

listen, man, he's a friend. I

46:18

have a checking account. I gave him,

46:21

you know, I it's like power of attorney.

46:23

I allowed him to take some stuff out because

46:25

I just I'm busy, and it goes

46:27

sideways fast. That's a lot of money.

46:29

If you're drawing stuff out of Otani's account

46:32

and it's seven million dollars your thing and I'm taking

46:34

four. Granted he doesn't have a clue, which he doesn't.

46:37

I can buy that Otani didn't

46:39

know and feels completely burned by a

46:41

friend. I can buy that, can

46:44

you.

46:45

Yeah? I actually played golf last week with a guy

46:47

that owns a big insurance company in Boston,

46:49

and he has actors and

46:52

major League Baseball players, basically

46:55

their life insurance accounts. And

46:57

he said he's never talked to one of them.

46:59

He just was on the phone getting business with

47:01

one of the He wouldn't tell me the name. He's like, you

47:04

know rules, but one of the main actresses

47:06

in Hollywood, and he talked to

47:09

the person that runs all of her money

47:11

and all she has to do is say yes or no and

47:13

they'll do it. And that he runs

47:15

the point she's not checking or checking account

47:17

every day, like you said, like me right,

47:20

So to me, I think there's twofold

47:22

on this one. The overreaction

47:25

that gambling. I grew up around.

47:27

My dad was a farmer and knew a lot of

47:29

people that risked a lot in business, and that was

47:32

their mentality, and they gambled a lot. I've

47:34

been around a lot of gamblers my entire

47:36

life. People have been gambling since the

47:38

history of time. It's got to be one of the longest running

47:41

professions in the world. People have been doing

47:43

it well before any of this stuff

47:45

existed, goes back to the nineteen

47:47

early nineteen hundreds. Was sports right,

47:50

think about some of the scandals. So

47:52

this reaction of like, well this is getting crazy this

47:54

is Michael Jordan. One of the things we've he's

47:57

known for is he's gambled all the time. So

47:59

how it's this notion that guys

48:01

don't think like that? Now? He denied it today.

48:04

He claimed that he knew nothing about it, right,

48:06

And I heard you say if he had done it,

48:08

as long as he's not betting on his team to lose,

48:11

which I understand, I don't even think would

48:13

be that big a deal if he was gambling one year, gambling

48:16

on football or EPL soccer, who cares?

48:18

And two it's very realistic. He

48:20

just signed a seven hundred million dollar contract where

48:22

he was cool getting twenty million dollars over the next ten

48:24

years. Does that not show you how rich the guy is? Yeah,

48:27

name me another human you know, I like Warren Buffett

48:29

that would agree to mean.

48:30

People forget how much money like Kobe Bryant

48:32

made in Turkey or Brad

48:35

Pitt made overseas,

48:37

Like American audiences have no idea when

48:39

you're George Clooney, your Brad Pitt,

48:41

Denzel Washington, you're

48:43

making thirty million

48:45

dollars a year. Leonardo DiCaprio, European

48:48

commercial, go to you go to Italy, and Leonardo

48:51

DiCaprio is like commercials in Italy. Kobe

48:53

Bryant made a fortune in China, in

48:55

Turkey, so can you imagine

48:57

what shoe O Tani makes in Asia.

48:59

Well, it's reported that it's sixty

49:01

million this upcoming year. It easily could be way

49:03

higher. I remember when Hadeki Matsiyama won the

49:05

Masters and Paul Aisinger is like, he

49:07

might be the next billion dollar athlete, just

49:10

Japanese golfer. Right, there's

49:12

a small percentage. Remember Yao Ming we

49:14

talked about forever. The Asian market is

49:17

huge one like they

49:19

were very close. Clearly they'd known each other for a while.

49:21

Not crazy that he stole. I think it's crazier

49:23

than a bookie. I'm fascinated by this

49:25

bookie to be able to run lines

49:28

at four point five million dollars, Like

49:30

how you have the ability to run a line of credit

49:33

like even Vegas? Right, a big money

49:35

guy, I mean a million dollar line of credit for a super

49:38

rich guy with a company that's worth hundreds of month.

49:40

That's pretty big. So you're getting lines

49:42

of credit this guy must I'm fascinated

49:44

by this whole bookie. When it all comes out, this operation

49:47

probably pretty big, which probably hints why

49:49

the FEDS were after this guy. Maybe

49:51

some Hollywood guys, but one

49:54

I just don't really care. And my

49:56

first reaction is I just want to see this guy play

49:59

now. Strauss or Buddy wrote

50:01

an article I couldn't disagree, more

50:03

like I just think that it was his article basically

50:06

saying that gambling is like

50:09

I don't want to not ruining

50:12

society, but just getting so aggressive

50:14

and we're becoming numb to it. I say, well, what about

50:16

alcohol? I mean alcohol, you want to

50:19

It's been a driving force in society the

50:21

history of time.

50:22

Well, here's one of the things. Whenever I see

50:24

journalists, you know, and they can

50:26

be I think journalists, I've said this before

50:28

my top criticism. They have agendas.

50:31

Acknowledge it, we all do. And

50:34

secondly, don't be naive. If

50:37

you're going to be a journalist, then be a

50:39

true journalist. Do you know the average bet

50:41

with DraftKings is four dollars.

50:43

It's hard to.

50:44

Ruin your family if you're betting ten of those a day,

50:46

Right, it's four dollars. I

50:49

used to work for another gambling company. They

50:51

told me their average bet was

50:53

four and a half dollars. That includes big

50:56

betters. The second thing, the disturbance

50:58

or distortion rate gamblers

51:01

is one percent, of which every time I read

51:03

an ad, I have a one eight hundred phone number

51:05

I have to give out. The distortion

51:07

or disturbance rate with alcohol is six percent.

51:10

Should we close all the bars in Chicago? Like

51:13

and they don't read they say please drink responsibly.

51:16

That's about the only warning you get. So

51:18

my take on this, I do both.

51:20

It's not even arguable. Alcohol is way

51:22

worse for you than gambling. I don't care who you are, yeh.

51:25

It's bad for your brain, it's bad for your finance.

51:27

You're bad for your liver, you

51:29

know. And also when you look at gambling,

51:32

look at the hole the state lottery has. Look

51:34

at how much money people give to

51:36

the state lottery, and the small amount, the

51:39

small amount the public a

51:41

winner gets back the hold. In gambling,

51:43

I bet fifty bucks in the game, and I don't I

51:46

mean I make a good living. I bet twenty bucks

51:48

in a two three teen parlay the hold

51:50

on a straight bet fifty percent

51:52

chance I get it back.

51:54

Ethan also defended Otani in the sense

51:56

that if he was gambling, it is

51:58

complicated. If foreign you come to

52:00

this country and wait,

52:03

I can I play in Arizona it's

52:05

legal. I come to California, it's illegal.

52:08

I go to Texas, it's illegal.

52:10

But then I go to Chicago. It's like it is kind

52:12

of complicated, right, So in

52:14

the league's jumped head first into

52:17

this, and I think for the players, the NFL

52:19

found immediately that it was a

52:21

complicated scenario, and they

52:23

got really aggressive with the punishment. Obviously,

52:25

you can't cover, you know, gamble on sports.

52:27

You're allowed to gamble on other sports. You just have to leave

52:29

the facility. But it's they

52:32

jumped so fast, and then they expected everyone

52:34

to follow the rules. But money's

52:36

all relative. I mean, I heard I played

52:39

golf with a guy that caddied at the big country Club

52:41

in Arizona, and he says there are countless gambling

52:43

games where putts can be two to three

52:45

hundred thousand dollars by the eighteenth toll. So

52:48

money which to that guy, if he's worth

52:50

five hundred millions, no different

52:52

than if I'm worth one hundred thousand. Now I'm betting

52:55

hundred one thousand dollars A lot of money to me. So

52:57

money four point five million dollars sounds a lot of

52:59

money to ninety nine point nine percent of people.

53:02

To show Aotani. Let's face it,

53:04

it is a tiny, tiny percentage of his

53:06

yearly income, let alone the guy's

53:08

net worth. Well, if he's even gambling,

53:10

if you want to believe him, I simply don't

53:13

care. I just want to watch him play baseball. Yeah.

53:15

I mean, the greatest basketball player ever in

53:17

many eyes is Michael Jordan, prodigious

53:20

gambler. The best analyst

53:23

in NBA history is Charles Barkley, noted

53:25

gambler. Like we think

53:27

of football and gambling, the

53:30

truth of the matter is basketball players,

53:32

golfers. It's just part of our culture.

53:35

And I think if

53:38

you look, you know, I'll

53:40

be honest with you, John when I'm out. I've been a public

53:42

figure for a while, right, maybe the thirteenth

53:44

wrong of a public figure in Los

53:47

Angeles.

53:47

People know you, Colin, people know you.

53:49

So when I go out, the overwhelming

53:52

thing people say for six months of the year, Hey,

53:55

what's your blaze in five this week? That's

53:57

what I've been doing that for hold

53:59

on, I've been doing Blazing five for

54:02

nineteen years. So

54:04

this is not like Draftking sponsors the show.

54:06

I'm pro gram. I've been doing this for everyone. I made

54:08

nothing on it. Now I do DraftKings help support

54:10

the volume and other ventures. But I

54:13

think you have to understand Europe's

54:15

been way ahead of us on this. And people

54:18

may say, oh, there's just there's ads everywhere.

54:20

You don't have to watch the ads. There's also tire

54:23

ads, mattress ads have dominated

54:25

sports my entire life. Beer ads

54:28

there's I mean college athletics.

54:30

There's like hard alcohol ads,

54:33

like binge drinking alcohol. So I'm

54:35

not just saying this because of my relationship,

54:38

our relationship as a company with this. In the

54:40

end, I think if

54:42

Ethan Strauss did make that argument, and I'm

54:44

sure he did, that it's confusing for

54:46

Otani. I'm making the argument that when you

54:48

make that kind of money, people are running

54:51

your bank accounts, and I could absolutely

54:53

you say to yourself, day, four million dollars,

54:56

it's amazing. If you just kept taking out twenty

54:58

grand, twenty grand, you start

55:00

looking at that account, I bet you he doesn't even see

55:02

that account at all.

55:07

I also think that the

55:10

overall discussion, I

55:12

think about some people that I'm still friends with, either

55:14

that I grew up with and then that I went to

55:16

college with. One of our binding

55:18

connections is gambling, and

55:20

one thing A lot of journalists who and

55:22

people in the media, I would say that have the

55:24

journalistic background that talk about this

55:27

stuff. Wouldn't you say a large percentage

55:29

of them not only have never gambled,

55:31

but will never gamble. That it's not really it's

55:33

not their thing. It's not in their DNA where

55:35

you said, I'm a normal guy. I just do what

55:37

most people do, like most of my friends

55:40

in life. And I don't mean they gamble thousand dollars,

55:42

but they just don't. I get texts all the time during

55:44

football. Who do you like this weekend? You like

55:46

tonight? I mean, that's just how people discuss.

55:48

And we were discussing. We were talking like that well

55:51

before Draft Kings and these other companies ever came around.

55:53

That's right.

55:54

It's like I was the other night

55:56

and and I went to a Bulls game and

55:59

I was laughing. I'm like, I

56:01

said, you know, Ann and I got

56:03

we like to have a cocktail, and we'll have a

56:05

couple of cocktails, watch the game in last we're just

56:07

having a ball together. And we went out later that night

56:10

and I said are we the only people

56:12

in this arena having fun? Like everybody

56:14

else is watching the game, and I'm like, we got

56:16

cocktails, We're having a good time. Thirty

56:19

percent of Americans don't drink. Fifty

56:21

percent of Americans don't bet. I

56:23

mean Jesus half the men. I

56:25

mean fifty percent. I think it's

56:28

all the

56:30

intimacy in America is by fifty percent

56:32

of the men. There's a lot of people not gambling,

56:34

not drinking, not sex. And it's like, thank god,

56:37

I'm on the other side of that.

56:39

Thank God, it's be a shitty

56:41

life. I don't want to know anything about I'll punch you out.

56:44

I've seen your beautiful girlfriend.

56:46

You're in great shape, all right.

56:47

DraftKings did release its win total, so we

56:50

both talked about the power of Kirk

56:52

Cousins. Atlanta is a shocking

56:54

ten and a half over under and the Vikings,

56:57

who I think are stacked offensively, are

56:59

at six and a half. That's Kirk Cousins.

57:01

Let me throw another one at you, this

57:05

one. So

57:08

I when the Jets last year had Aaron

57:11

Rodgers, I said, listen, the history of old quarterbacks

57:13

is they got to have good old lines.

57:16

Russell Wilson's first year in Denver, they didn't.

57:18

He's stunk. Stafford Rams did.

57:21

Then his third year, I think it

57:23

was they didn't.

57:24

He struggled.

57:25

Brady's first year in Tampa Exte they

57:27

had injuries. It wasn't as good. You can't

57:29

have a forty year old. That's why Atlanta for Kirk

57:31

Cousins works. That's a really good old line.

57:33

That's why Jared Goff works. He's younger, but

57:36

great old line. So the

57:38

Jets have signed some kind of like Tyron Smith,

57:40

who will play about thirteen games a year, kid

57:43

from the Ravens. The Jets

57:45

are nine and a half, and I'm like time

57:47

out. If you look at the AFC,

57:50

Deshaun Watson's back, you

57:52

know, Herbert's got a legitimate

57:55

coach. C. J. Stroud is

57:57

moving up fast. Trevor Lawrence will be healthy.

58:01

You know two of Mike McDaniels are going nowhere.

58:04

Josh Allen now has between kN Kaid and

58:06

Cook has some really nice offensive weapons. I

58:09

look at the Jets and nine and a half and I think, boy,

58:11

you are that's a bad old

58:13

line for an old quarterback

58:15

of an achilles surgery. I

58:17

said it this year during the season. Aaron

58:19

being relevant in January to me is over.

58:22

It's nothing against Aaron, It's just old

58:25

quarterbacks and crappy on lines don't

58:27

work. What do you make on No, I would bet the under

58:29

on that all day.

58:30

Well, I've been down on them, but if I wanted to

58:32

make the case, Miami just lost

58:34

a ton of talent. Yes, they had a lot

58:36

of guys walk out the door. They also lost

58:38

Vick Fangio and their defense was

58:41

already in question, and Vic called them out,

58:43

thinking like no one wants to focus. And I think a

58:45

lot has to do with the city they live in. Are

58:47

they about to pay two of forty five to fifty million dollars

58:50

a year? Because if they do, I'm out, And

58:52

so to me, Miami still has some question marks.

58:54

Even if we all agree Mike is a great

58:56

play caller quarterback, I'm

58:59

definitely not sold on. And defensively,

59:01

I mean, they just lost their best defensive player. He just walked

59:03

in free agency the

59:05

Patriots. Now the Jets finally beat

59:07

him. I think week whatever, the last week of the season

59:09

have owned The Jets didn't

59:12

Bill beat him like eight straight seasons

59:14

swept him. Well, Bill's gone. I

59:16

think the Patriots got a couple

59:19

of years of coming to Jesus, and Robert Craft

59:21

is about to find out what the NFL is really like. It

59:23

could be ugly there and then the Bills.

59:25

Like whenever I see the Super Bowl windows

59:28

closed, I laugh. As long as you have Josh Allen. When

59:30

you have Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Patrick

59:32

Mahomes, your roster can be in flux. You got

59:34

a chance. But the Jets did beat

59:36

them in one game last year, so

59:39

I'd have to look at the rest of their schedule. I

59:42

eight to nine wins best.

59:44

That's assuming Aaron Rodgers, who was facing

59:46

you, go back, because part of Russell Wilson isn't

59:48

just the last two years. Remember the last year in Seattle.

59:51

So now it's a body of work going the

59:53

wrong way. Aaron, the last year

59:55

in Green Bay, something was off. It

59:58

might have just been age. In the history of sports,

1:00:00

most guys at thirty eight thirty nine aren't trending the

1:00:02

wrong way. I know he's a healthy guy. He looks

1:00:04

good, but he wasn't quite as fast. His

1:00:06

arms still there, But a huge part of

1:00:08

his ability was the ad lib that made him a

1:00:10

great.

1:00:11

Play John the analytics Greg

1:00:13

Cosell and Warren Sharp

1:00:15

and others were on this. Aaron's analytics

1:00:17

is he just didn't run anymore, like

1:00:19

and if he doesn't run, I mean, say.

1:00:21

What, he's not as fast probably anymore.

1:00:23

So he doesn't want to risk getting tackled or hit.

1:00:25

Yeah, old guys don't want to get hit. I

1:00:27

mean, you know, Eli Manning and Brady

1:00:29

Mastered get rid of it quick or figure

1:00:31

out how to roll and not get hit. So I don't think

1:00:34

Aaron. I also think Aaron isn't

1:00:36

quite as committed as a lot of the

1:00:38

young guys that are really bigger,

1:00:41

stronger, And I think the

1:00:43

only way to be good is sort of to be

1:00:45

focused like Kirk cousins later or obsessed

1:00:47

like Brady. I don't think there's a way to be casually

1:00:51

and Aaron, you know, I've heard this from multiple people.

1:00:53

Aaron, He's not going to sit and watch game

1:00:55

film all weekend. That's not what he's going to do

1:00:57

as a personality. He's going to read some things and listen

1:01:00

in the music and do his own thing. He is not

1:01:02

Brady on the film. He's not Peyton,

1:01:05

he's not Breeze as a workaholic.

1:01:07

Aaron is one of those guys.

1:01:10

He had more physical capability than those guys.

1:01:13

It's like a rock star, you

1:01:15

know. The Bonos and the

1:01:17

bands edges that have survived didn't

1:01:19

have long periods of drug use, like they

1:01:21

took care of their boy, they partied, but

1:01:23

they have aged very well. The

1:01:26

bands that didn't haven't. Like I think

1:01:28

Aaron didn't quite

1:01:30

take the same level of care, and I

1:01:32

think he's aging faster than other guys.

1:01:35

Yeah, I think if he can't move anywhere remotely

1:01:37

like he used to, that's the problem. The one thing

1:01:40

he has going that Peyton lost,

1:01:42

Breeze lost rob Their arms failed

1:01:44

them. You know, Rogers arm is still

1:01:46

strong, so to me, he's still going to be

1:01:48

able to function. But I think his day, the

1:01:50

day and age of him just being some lock elite

1:01:52

player, it's been gone

1:01:54

now for a couple of years, and I just think the question now

1:01:57

is the pressure on the

1:01:59

offensive coordinator, which, let's face it, if you

1:02:01

just pulled people in the NFL, Isnate hack it any good

1:02:03

or is he not any good? Most people say he's not any

1:02:05

good, And then the other reason

1:02:07

he's there is because he messes with Aaron. So is Aaron

1:02:09

just telling him what to do? Like, there's got to be a

1:02:11

little give and take. And you saw how

1:02:13

many times this year with Aaron shaking his head,

1:02:16

you know, with play calls when he would show

1:02:19

up. It's just I think it's got a chance

1:02:21

to be a pat They do have some players that

1:02:23

there's no disputing that they have impact players

1:02:25

on both sides of the ball. But if you can't

1:02:27

protect a quarterback who now can't really move

1:02:29

Jared Goff, like you said, can't move, we's got

1:02:32

arguably the best offensive line in the league doesn't need to move

1:02:34

well. If these guys, if Smith gets hurt, if

1:02:36

Moses gets hurt, if their intier offensive line isn't

1:02:38

any good, you're sitting duck. Even

1:02:40

Zach Wilson kept them alive last year because

1:02:43

he just kind of scramble around. And

1:02:45

so yeah, I think

1:02:47

the Jets are fascinating that division, though. I

1:02:49

think I think Miami could be in for uh

1:02:52

come back to the to

1:02:54

the the average a little bit, and

1:02:56

the Patriots are in for real

1:02:58

NFL life now. The other

1:03:01

thing, I saw the Cowboys like ten and a half too. That

1:03:03

seems a little high. I mean they've lost a lot of players.

1:03:05

So by the way, Niners, Ravens,

1:03:07

Chiefs eleven and a half. I tend to

1:03:09

bet the enders once you get into that space. Lions,

1:03:13

Packers, Eagles, Bill's, Bengals, Dolphins,

1:03:15

Falcons, Cowboys, Falcons, the head scratcher

1:03:17

a little bit ten and a half, Texans Jets

1:03:20

nine and a half. I'd buy that with the Texans, I don't

1:03:22

with the Jets. Rams pull back

1:03:24

to eight and a half. I think Aaron Donald they

1:03:26

subtract a win. I thought they would be nine and a half

1:03:28

ish, Viking's very low, Kirk

1:03:30

Cousin's not there, and Patriots

1:03:33

Panthers at four and a half, Titans Broncos

1:03:35

five and a half. Again, I

1:03:37

do believe with

1:03:40

the Broncos, I think they're going to draft a quarter

1:03:42

and I think, to be honest with you, bon Nicks would

1:03:45

win immediately because I think he's got sixty

1:03:47

one starts. I just interview. I talked to the kid

1:03:49

last week for thirty minutes, thirty five

1:03:51

minutes on and off the air.

1:03:53

He's just a grown up.

1:03:53

He's ready to play NFL football, whether or

1:03:56

not you think he has this high ceiling. That

1:03:58

kid's seen it. You know, he said five offensive coordinators

1:04:01

in five years, and he's worked with all of them. He's

1:04:03

gonna work.

1:04:04

I think adversity has proven to matter a

1:04:06

lot with a lot of these quarterbacks that have had some struggles

1:04:09

in college, like Mahomes wasn't winning a lot. Josh

1:04:11

Allen was told, we don't have scholarships

1:04:13

for you, right. Lamar Jackson tumbled

1:04:16

in the draft. Bo Nick's got his ass kicked

1:04:18

in the SEC. I mean he was even when

1:04:20

he transferred to Oregon. So yeah, I'm

1:04:22

fascinated by him. I think he needs to go to

1:04:24

the right spot. And Sean Payton,

1:04:27

I mean, let's face they're kind of desperate right now.

1:04:29

I guess they could just kind of roll it over a year,

1:04:31

But I don't think Sean Payton's making eighteen million dollars

1:04:34

a year to try to win four or five games. Like he's

1:04:36

going to try to compete immediately in that division now

1:04:38

with Harbaugh, and it got a lot harder

1:04:41

even the Raiders. I don't know if Pierce is going to be a great head

1:04:43

coach. They do have impact players. They're not like

1:04:45

an easy team to play.

1:04:46

No, No, They've I've

1:04:49

said this for years. The Raiders have five

1:04:51

or six and they have key positions star receiver,

1:04:53

rush and left tackle, like if they could get

1:04:55

a quarterback right. I don't doubt the Raiders

1:04:58

because the shit at the end of the year, I thought they were really

1:05:00

competitive, playing with a lot of fire and

1:05:02

purpose with Aidan O'Connell. So I'm okay with

1:05:04

it.

1:05:05

By the way, I was in the car today and

1:05:07

it turned you on right as you were

1:05:10

talking to Mick Cronin about his struggles, and

1:05:12

he gave the line, I still turn left

1:05:14

on Sunset. That's one of the greatest lines I've ever

1:05:16

heard. I don't think whether you

1:05:18

win eight games or you win thirty, I still turn left

1:05:20

on Sunset. That's that's an all timer.

1:05:22

Yeah, he comes over that hill from Encino. It's

1:05:25

a left right by the Circular Hotel

1:05:27

and you go left on Sunset into

1:05:29

bell Air, then Beverly Hills, then

1:05:31

right to UCLA. It's pretty good life.

1:05:34

I haven't been to every campus in America, but when you

1:05:36

walk on UCLA's campus there there's got

1:05:38

to be a short list of campuses compete

1:05:40

with that. Oh no, there's I don't think there's anything

1:05:42

like it.

1:05:42

God, I mean USC Stanford.

1:05:45

You know, there's it's La, it's it's the

1:05:47

Bay Area. But nope,

1:05:49

there's nothing like UCLAB ever being to do. John

1:05:51

Middlecoff, former NFL scouty. His podcast

1:05:54

is three and Out, chopped it up for a little over

1:05:56

an hour this week. Loved seeing you, buddy. We'll

1:05:58

talk in a week.

1:05:59

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1:06:02

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