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how are you? I'm great. Happy birthday

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to Shannon Sharp. He's not in studio today,

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but it's Shannon's birthday. It is today.

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Yeah, it's Unk's birthday. How do you know that? How?

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The internet's the

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Internet? That's it's really bad. That's actually

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I'm very bad. With birthdays, and

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the Internet has kept me, kept

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me honest with the birthdays. Really like

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Facebook, It's very it's crucial.

1:22

Congratulations on getting older,

1:24

Shannon Sharp. It's a big milestone for all

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of us. He's one day older. Birthday

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today day wo Hi, lots of one

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family, a lot of people getting closer to the end. It's great.

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So, um, let me start with this. If

1:38

you listen to me for any length of time,

1:41

you know I bounced around the country. I grew up

1:43

in a non traditional childhood. We didn't go to church.

1:46

I'm agnostic. Don't have a problem being authentic

1:48

about that. In America today,

1:52

if you are willing to sort of

1:54

evolve or change, you get called

1:56

woke. And there are some people I think

1:58

you're a little wokey. But some of

2:00

us are just more comfortable. Now, I'm not blaming

2:03

you if you like comfort. Some

2:05

of you have grown up in the same town, You've

2:07

worked for the same company, you've

2:09

been in the same zip code. You still hang

2:12

out with your same high school college friends. There

2:14

is nothing wrong with that. That is

2:16

not my life experience. I

2:18

have moved for commerce, I've moved for opportunity,

2:21

and you know, a lot of you would go, oh, that's

2:24

sad, And I'm like, I have so many cool

2:26

people in my life that I would have never met

2:29

had I not lived in Tampa, had I

2:31

not lived in Connecticut. I never thought

2:33

I'd live in rural Connecticut. It's

2:35

fantastic. It's a whole new way of life.

2:38

I never thought i'd live in Los Angeles, Las

2:41

Vegas. I lived in the

2:43

Pacific Northwest. It's a total

2:45

gift. But I'm not saying your

2:47

experience is any less.

2:50

But I don't think it's necessarily any more. I've

2:52

been given opportunities, met people, had

2:54

great relationships formed that I'd

2:56

never have stayed in the same hometown. So

2:58

I am really comfortable with change,

3:02

and I'm really comfortable with

3:04

cultural change because

3:06

I've always felt I'm a surfer.

3:09

Life's a wave. Just ride the

3:11

momentum where it's going. I don't

3:13

fight the wave. When I first moved to Manhattan

3:16

Beach, I go down with a coffee to the pier and

3:18

I'd sit there forty five minutes every

3:20

Saturday, and I'd watch all these surfers on the

3:22

waves, and the better the surfer, though

3:24

rarely they jumped into a wave, they waited

3:26

for the perfect wave. Why waste

3:28

your time on a bad wave? And

3:31

so I think about this story this morning that Colin Kaepernick

3:33

is drawing interest from several teams.

3:36

Well, if it's interests from Doug Moron, I feel bad

3:38

for him. If it's interests from John Harbaugh, good

3:40

for him. What's the team, what's the coach. There's

3:42

a big difference in a big gap in this league.

3:45

But a lot of this Colin Kaepernick story

3:48

is about people that don't like change,

3:51

and I'm really comfortable with

3:53

change now. When Kaepernick first came out,

3:55

my takeaway was, I don't know if I like anybody

3:58

in America, black white man, woman

4:01

taking their activism to work. I would

4:03

never bring a picket sign to Fox Sports

4:06

or my former employer. So I

4:08

said, you know, all these platforms, Nike,

4:11

can't you take your activism? But

4:14

I can certainly be argued out

4:16

of that point. I think I think my

4:18

point's legitimate. Others disagree. But

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here's the thing, all

4:23

you, I'm going to protest, boycott

4:26

people on this. You lost on the Kaepernick

4:29

one. You just gotta own it. Now, you gotta

4:31

own it. Like my dad

4:33

had a drinking problem, he got over

4:35

it for a while because he admitted he had a problem

4:38

the boycott Kaepernick crowd. You lost.

4:40

How do I know you lost? Because

4:43

Nike used him and the stock

4:45

went up. And

4:48

according to studies, Black Lives

4:50

Matter is supported by not only Democrats

4:52

but conservatives. Yep, I read it this morning. Two

4:54

thirds of America support Black Lives

4:56

Matter. That means some conservatives,

4:59

due to the NFL has

5:01

gone back to Kaepernick, embracing him,

5:03

meaning the boycott won't matter, according

5:06

to a survey I read yesterday. And I

5:08

don't know how much I believe in polls, but

5:10

they're usually historically accurate. Donald

5:13

Trump will be out in November. And

5:16

oh, by the way, the boycott crowd with Kaepernick.

5:18

For the first time ever in the history of

5:20

television o H

5:23

viewers will count. What's that?

5:26

Out of home viewers? Every barn American

5:28

now on Sunday will count toward

5:30

our viewers and our ratings. That's never

5:32

happened before. People are

5:35

suggesting the NFL will get an eight to

5:37

a fifteen percent bump. So even

5:39

at fifteen to twenty percent of law left doesn't

5:42

matter. Ratings aren't going down. You

5:45

lost on this. I don't

5:47

think you're all bad people. But I think

5:49

certain people are just born rigid. They're

5:52

born traditional, They're born

5:54

in the same town. Forty percent

5:56

of America never leaves

5:59

their mom. They stay in the same

6:01

area code as their mom. I'm not saying it's

6:03

bad if you grew up and your family's

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got a lot of land, or it's got a good business and you

6:08

want to stay around it and you got a lot of cousins close by.

6:10

That's not my life experience. But

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I think I think it's very easy for me and

6:14

it has been, to move off stuff. I don't

6:16

consider it necessarily woke. I just consider

6:19

it like, here's a better wave, let's jump on it. Why

6:21

fight it? But the boycott

6:23

Kaepernick crowd, According to this story, Nike

6:26

proved he's actually pretty good for business, and the

6:28

NFL is going to prove this year no one

6:30

player makes us or break us. Peyton

6:32

Manning retired, Brett Farve

6:34

retired, Patrick Mahomes

6:37

gonna retire tomorrow. I think

6:39

Patrick Mahomes is gonna ruin the league. It won't be

6:41

as fun. I hope he doesn't.

6:44

Kaepernick was never gonna make the league and

6:46

he was never going to break the league. And I

6:48

said this the other day. It could have been this week

6:50

or last week. I said, I'm boycotting the boycotting

6:52

crowd on everything. Everybody's boycotting

6:54

everything. Now, I'm a bad boycotter. I boycotted

6:57

coffee and two days later I went

6:59

back to drinking it. I'm a lousy boycotter

7:01

because I just like what I like and I'm

7:03

not gonna let you ruin my life or

7:05

politics change my consumption patterns.

7:08

I'm not gonna let politics and

7:10

that TV host and I always laugh

7:12

when people say I won't watch that show. It's got

7:14

Alec Baldwin on it. He's a liberal.

7:17

Into that. I say, every show you watch on

7:19

Netflix has been written and directed by liberals.

7:21

It's Hollywood. You do get

7:23

they all live in Hollywood. Just turn television

7:26

off theen than boycott it. But if I have to lose

7:28

ten to twelve percent of my audience, you know what

7:30

I do. I watch my numbers and my podcast

7:32

ratings go up ten to twelve percent a year. Who

7:35

younger people who sometimes

7:37

just happened to be a little more tolerant. But

7:40

the boycott crowd on Kaepernick, you

7:43

gotta own this. You

7:46

lost it. Nike

7:49

up Nascar ratings

7:51

Monday. Confederate Flag's gone

7:54

up on a Monday three Eastern. It wasn't

7:56

even on the day it was scheduled to happen. NFL ratings,

8:00

They're gonna go up. Everybody's gonna embrace

8:02

him. The League's embracing him. Black

8:04

Lives Matter supported by two thirds of Americans.

8:08

Oh eight tradings up

8:10

Trump, according to polls out

8:13

Sometimes you just got to admit. I know

8:16

you want to believe. You wake up in the morning, you want to

8:18

believe you're gonna win all your arguments and all your boycotts

8:20

and all your debates. You lost that

8:22

one, all right. Yesterday Brandon

8:24

Marshall came on the show, Great wide receiver, six time

8:26

Pro bowler with the New York Jets, and we got into

8:29

some discussion about a bunch of different topics, and

8:31

he has great opinions. He's one

8:33

of those guys that'll segue pretty easily into broadcasting.

8:36

And we started talking about Aaron Rodgers and I

8:38

was kind of defending Green Baythy organization,

8:40

and we were talking to Aaron Rodgers and Brandon Marshall said,

8:42

this it's too late. Come

8:45

on, man, they sort have won two Super Bowls.

8:47

In the last five years. You to me, Aaron

8:49

Rodgers is my favorite quarterback in the NFL,

8:52

but you wasted this guy's career.

8:55

You got one Super Bowl out of Aaron Rodgers.

8:58

Are you kidding me? It's too late, It's

9:00

too late. Let me say this, it's

9:02

interesting. If you were to create

9:05

the NFL today, there were

9:07

no teams in no history. You

9:10

do realize we would not put a team

9:12

in Green Bay. There's one hundred and four

9:14

thousand people, there's no

9:16

owner. But like many businesses

9:18

in America, it's been grandfathered

9:21

in

9:23

in my childhood, and I count my

9:26

childhood. I started watching TV at seven

9:28

to eight years old in nineteen seventy two. First

9:30

game I remember was Wilt Chamberlain wearing

9:32

a headband for the Lakers against the Portland Trailblazers.

9:34

The other game I remember was the nineteen seventy two

9:36

Super Bowl with Yarrow your premium and of the Miami

9:38

Dolphins beating of the Washington Redskins

9:41

like fourteen nothing or fourteen three or fourteen

9:43

seven or something like that. I can name ninety percent

9:45

of the players in that game, Jim Kick, Larry Zonka,

9:48

Bob Graycy Paul Warfield, Charlie Taylor,

9:50

Billy Kilmer, I can name them all,

9:53

Diron, Talbert, Chris Hammerger Pat Fisher,

9:55

I can go ours. I know Goolays

9:57

rolling his eyes at me. The first time

10:00

I started watching TV was about seven to eight years old,

10:02

and then if you go the next twelve years, then

10:05

I'm nineteen years old, you know, twenty

10:07

years old. But childhood's over right now, I'm going

10:09

to college and stuff. The Green Bay Packers

10:11

were atrocious for all

10:13

those years. They were irrelevant from

10:15

like sixty eight to ninety two. They

10:18

were just junk. They

10:20

would we would never put them in the league

10:22

today if you started over. But

10:24

they've been grandfathered in. And frankly

10:28

we should look at the Green Bay Packers and Marvel

10:31

and how good they've been. They're

10:33

the post Office of professional sports

10:35

teams. If

10:38

the world there was never been a post office and all

10:40

the forms of communication were available

10:43

today, nobody would choose

10:45

the post office. Let's see, I'm

10:47

gonna write a long letter that takes me a half hour.

10:49

Then I'm gonna grab a piece of paper, lick it, jam

10:52

the paper, and there put it in a stamp. Either drive it

10:54

to the post office or go to the mailbox, wait for seven

10:57

days until it lands somewhere. They open it

10:59

up, and then they call me on their rotary phone that

11:01

that's not The post office doesn't make any

11:04

sense today. But

11:06

it's grandfathered in. It's part of the country,

11:08

and some people use it. But it makes no sense.

11:11

I mean, I can just put something on my door. Ups

11:13

comes boom out, FedEx comes boom

11:16

out. Post office packers.

11:20

You would not even create the post office today.

11:22

You would not create the packers today.

11:25

I don't think Aaron Rodgers has been underserved

11:28

or overserved. I think

11:30

the Green Bay Packers flourishing is

11:32

a testament to their fans,

11:35

is a testament to the NFL. Is

11:37

a remarkable American business

11:39

story. The fact that a

11:41

team in a town of one hundred thousand

11:44

people with no owner, lousy

11:47

weather, bad free agent

11:50

attraction, players have virtually

11:52

no privacy. If they played there, and

11:54

they still get a bunch of good players and a bunch of

11:56

Pro Bowls star receivers, Brett

11:59

Farvet Rodgers and those

12:01

guys resign there and they stay there

12:03

and they want to play there forever, Green Bay's

12:05

a success story. If they finish

12:07

the season, the post

12:09

office is a success story. If four

12:12

people in America go to it today

12:14

and my mom was one of them, I

12:17

don't think Aaron Rodgers has been underserved.

12:19

I just think the story there is

12:21

uniquely American. Coming

12:23

up next, Lord, it's Friday,

12:27

I'm gonna say something else nice about the Cleveland

12:29

Browns that's coming

12:31

up. Plus Chris Bruce are this

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hour. Be sure to catch live editions of The

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Empacific on Fox Sports Radio

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FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

12:43

Two things Americans love almost universally,

12:45

guacamole and Colins fake

12:48

press conferences. All have one of those in forty

12:50

minutes. From time to time, a coach or a player

12:52

can't get through a press conference without screwing

12:54

up. And I don't understand it. Press

12:57

conferences are not hard. Just know

12:59

the one or two really difficult questions

13:01

that are coming, and you can move

13:04

around all the orange cones and all

13:06

the difficulty. So no guacamoti

13:08

Top of the Hour, Eric Mangini, Top of the Hour. But

13:11

Colin's next fake press conference

13:13

joining us so last year. I mean,

13:15

let's be honest about this. Most of you have

13:18

Pom Poms, you're little fanboys and

13:20

uncle Colin comes in. I'm the grown up without

13:22

the emotion, and I tell you what's going to happen, and you

13:25

fight and yelling, scream, and

13:27

I'm always right. And so with Cleveland

13:29

last year, it was like embarrassing, like

13:32

I just pounded you all year long and I said, they're not going

13:34

to be a playoff team. You're gonna be under five hundred.

13:36

And it wasn't that difficult. This year, I'm

13:38

like, yes, you're gonna be above five hundred.

13:41

It's very obvious, and I'll tell you why. So PFF

13:43

came out with the strongest and the weakest schedules.

13:46

Now every year when the schedules get released,

13:48

I make a big deal out of it, and all

13:50

of you push back and say it doesn't matter, you're

13:52

wrong. Schedules matter. So PF

13:55

says the Browns Arizona and Baltimore

13:57

have the easiest schedules, toughest, or Atlantic

13:59

Carolina in Vegas. So let's take the

14:01

Cleveland Browns because that's the team I talk about a

14:03

lot, and everybody thinks them always wrong, although

14:05

I'm I'm always right. So

14:08

last year, Cleveland, this is

14:10

why I said Cleveland wouldn't work. And I could

14:12

not believe all the media people that bought into the nonsense.

14:14

It was like the Tim Tebow story. The media

14:17

doesn't want to get any pushback on Twitter, so it's

14:19

like Tebow's God, it's Dubai.

14:21

Tebow can't quarterback in the NFL. He can't throw

14:23

it all. Stop

14:26

it. Believe in your convictions, especially

14:28

if you're right, and so Tebo

14:30

can't play in the NFL. Had ninety percent

14:32

of the media just just caved on that, and

14:34

ninety percent of the media caved on Cleveland.

14:37

It was real easy. Why they weren't

14:39

gonna win. Baker was in his first

14:41

full year of starting. Freddie Kitchens was in

14:43

his first year as a head coach even

14:45

at high school, and the weakness of the team was the offensive

14:48

line. If you went to their schedule, here's

14:50

the coaches. Seven of the eight

14:53

coaches they faced last year to

14:55

start the season, Mike Rabel, Sean McVeigh,

14:57

John Harbaugh, Kyle Shannahan, Pete Carroll, Bill

15:00

Belichick, and Vic Fangio, who I think is a great

15:02

defensive coach. They were gonna get the hell

15:04

knocked out of him. It was the easiest prediction

15:06

I ever made, and I also told you they'll

15:08

get real hot at the end of the year, which they sort

15:10

of did. The reason

15:13

I like Cleveland this year, go

15:16

and look at the first coaches they face,

15:20

after John Harbaugh. It's Zach

15:22

Taylor. I don't know if he's a good coach

15:24

with a rookie quarterback, Ron

15:27

Rivera implementing a new system with

15:29

Dwayne Haskins, I don't know if he's a good

15:31

quarterback. Mike McCarthy

15:33

and Dak they've never worked together

15:35

before. Frank Reich and Philip

15:38

Rivers, they've never worked together before.

15:41

Two weeks later, Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow,

15:43

they've never worked together before. And

15:45

then it's John Gruden and Derek Carr. I

15:48

don't even sure they get along. Cleveland's

15:50

gonna win a bunch of games this year. They're

15:53

gonna go nine and seven or ten and six, just

15:55

like last year. I said they'd go seven and nine or six

15:57

and ten. This is an easy one.

16:01

If you don't have a superstar quarterback, and

16:03

Baker's not a superstar quarterback,

16:06

it becomes really important

16:08

to get a scheduling break. If you got wins,

16:10

if you got Mahomes, if you got Wilson, if

16:12

you got Lamar, you know you got Aaron

16:15

Rodgers. The schedules not something I spend

16:17

tons of time on. But when you

16:19

have Sam Darnold, Derek Carr,

16:21

Baker, Mayfield, Kirk Cousins, I

16:24

pay attention to the schedule, those

16:26

games are gonna be inches, not feet. Cleveland

16:29

will be good,

16:32

and they'll be as long

16:34

as the numbers balance out a playoff team this year.

16:36

They're not gonna beat Baltimore. I think

16:39

they'll beat Pittsburgh. They'll beat in that playoff

16:41

thing. You know, if they miss, it's their nine and seven

16:44

and they lose some tiebreaker. But this

16:46

stuff isn't difficult. Schedules matter, especially

16:49

if you don't have Patrick Mahomes at quarterback or

16:51

Russell Wilson. Joey Taylor of the news,

16:54

no, no turn on the news.

16:56

This is the herd line News.

17:00

So I don't know. I don't know who this

17:02

rebel. Tom Brady is. Rebel

17:04

rebel. He's continued to host workouts with his Bucks

17:07

teammates, even though teams have been advised not

17:09

to. Yesterday, he posted a picture

17:11

of himself drinking water during practice with

17:13

the FDR quote the only thing

17:15

we have to fear is fear itself

17:18

straight. Yeah, real, I

17:22

would argue there's plenty of other things

17:24

to fear, spially in today's

17:27

current environment. I don't know what

17:29

to like read into this. Is he talking

17:32

about the season? I mean, I hope he's not

17:34

talking about COVID

17:36

nineteen right. Well,

17:39

I think what Tom is doing. A

17:41

lot of people could say it's a midlife crisis,

17:43

but he is not in a mid NFL life. He's

17:46

hit the twilight of his career, so it's almost over.

17:48

I think this is always

17:50

been Tom, but

17:54

because he's a good team player, he

17:56

pulled back in a little bit of his independence

17:59

for the corporate ration. And we see this

18:01

all the time. People work for corporations.

18:03

They play the game for fifteen years and then they and

18:05

then they say, you know what, I got a little Maverick streak

18:07

in me. The corporation's not built

18:09

for me. And they move out of a corporation

18:12

and they start their own business. And then we think they change.

18:14

But it was Billy who they were exactly joy.

18:16

This has always been Tom, but he

18:19

he was realizing this system

18:22

was really good for him. And then and I always said the

18:24

minute he beat Atlanta, it felt

18:26

like Tom was like, I'm gonna do more commercials,

18:29

I'm gonna push back on the system. I'm gonna

18:31

do a documentary, take a shot at Belichick. Everything

18:34

for Tom's sort of changed after that Super Bowl. And this

18:36

is who he's always truly been at his base,

18:38

a risk taker who will

18:40

end up believes it himself greatly. Again,

18:43

I don't have a problem with it. Like the

18:46

working out part. If

18:48

it's legal, well it's not, it

18:50

is Lea, then what's what's the issue? I get

18:52

the suggestion that the NFLPA

18:54

that they shouldn't work out together because they don't want a bunch of

18:56

guys and the cluss they are coming into camp that

19:00

have tested positive and then they camper to Spain in camp.

19:02

But I also think they have to stay ready to

19:04

avoid injury, so like you have to, you have to

19:06

measure out what you're doing here. But I this

19:09

is it's a whole new kind of rebels.

19:12

He's a pirate now, that's

19:15

right. He went from a patriot

19:18

pirate. So Odell Beckham

19:20

had surgery this offseasons to repair a

19:22

core muscle injury he played through last

19:24

year. The Browns are scheduled to report

19:27

for training camp in a month, and Kevin Stefanski

19:29

is confident that he's ready to go. He said

19:31

Odell is free and clear, he's back to one hundred

19:34

percent and feeling really good.

19:36

Odell said that he was injured all of

19:38

last year, so I don't think he's a player

19:40

just because of his build in the way he runs. I

19:43

don't think he's a player by week four of any NFL

19:45

season it's perfect. I think he's probably

19:47

always going to be a little banged up. I mean, hell, Gronk's

19:49

last five years in the league, he was always

19:52

banged up. Like if you're going into that secondary

19:54

and you're running crossing routes and you're he's

19:56

a very dynamic, explosive player, sometimes

19:59

runs a himself in injuries. I don't think if

20:02

I don't think O'Dell will ever be perfect

20:04

by week three at any season. You just got to manage

20:06

it. Dronk was not healthy at the end of his career.

20:08

Julio Jones in recent years has not been healthy

20:11

a lot of weeks. No, and what happens a lot of

20:13

times, especially because you do have to play

20:15

through injuries in the NFL and Odell's has

20:17

said that he was playing through a

20:20

lot of pain all year. Last year, it was never

20:22

healthy because it came into the season injured. Usually,

20:24

if you come into the season injured, you leave the season

20:26

injured because you don't have time to recover

20:28

from that injury. So this is actually a good

20:30

situation for him that he's had the rest to

20:33

recover. I just hope everything

20:35

that you're saying about the Browns is true and that

20:37

we are going to get to see that

20:39

dynamic Odell Beckham junior that we

20:42

fell in love with with the New York Giants. I don't

20:45

think that Odell fits Cleveland's

20:47

at all. Think you agree and finish

20:50

his career there, Yeah, But while he's there, while

20:53

this is going on, while he's still in the prime of his career

20:55

and now one hundred percent healthy, I hope that

20:57

he's able to get the targets that he needs and

21:00

gets back to that that

21:02

form. So Kevin Durant is not going to be

21:04

playing with the Nets in Orlando next month

21:06

as he continues to recover from his achilles injury,

21:08

but he says even if he was healthy, he doesn't

21:11

think he would have chosen to participate me

21:13

right now, I probably wouldn't have playing

21:16

because I mean, it's just the

21:18

unknown going into that situation. It was

21:20

crazy right now. You know, I've seen so many new cases

21:23

and you know, it's

21:25

just it's just it's just so unpredictable.

21:27

So I mean, it's easy for me to say right now because

21:29

I'm injured, but I probably wouldn't have went down

21:31

there. I talked to an NBA

21:33

person last night, a team person, and

21:36

they did say this. They

21:38

were initially concerned about the bubble,

21:41

but they said players have been hanging

21:43

out with their families for like four months straight, like they've

21:45

never gotten more family time. And he said the

21:47

league's actually done an incredible

21:50

job that for the first

21:52

two or three weeks, players are gonna love it there.

21:55

The food, the concerts,

21:57

the activity that THEBA

22:00

has done as good a job as you can do with

22:02

the bubble, like the medical staff, the entertainment.

22:05

Well, I do think for the first couple of weeks, guys

22:07

are going to just be happy to be back hooping

22:09

again, like this is their life and they

22:11

haven't been able to do it. And like you said, they've been

22:13

with their families, all of our families,

22:15

But you know, when you go from a routine

22:17

of an NBA player to being quarantined,

22:20

it is a big drastic change, and they haven't

22:22

been able to play basketball, which is not

22:24

just what they love, but what they've been doing every day

22:26

for decades or life pattern, right, So

22:29

I'm sure a lot of them are just are going to be

22:31

happy to just be back playing basketball for the first

22:33

couple of weeks. I don't think it's the first couple of weeks.

22:35

I think it's right. I think it's the second month.

22:38

Once you get into back into the routine of being in the bubble,

22:40

and you've gotten over the buzz of you know,

22:43

hooping again, and you kind of settled

22:45

in into this Orlando, you know,

22:48

utopia world thing that's

22:50

going on down there, that's when it's going to start to

22:52

set in. Especially for the teams that are going to go later

22:54

on into the playoffs. The process to get

22:57

visitors in is really crazy. It's

23:00

I'm I am more skeptical

23:02

about how this bubble is going to work

23:04

and how the NBA is going to finish the season than

23:07

I am of any other sport because it's

23:09

just it's just so intimate. And yesterday the NBA

23:11

announced it's sixteen. Of the three

23:13

hundred and two players tested on June twenty third,

23:15

a half tested positive. So that is a very

23:18

very low number. So that's a

23:20

that's some positive thing. Another quarantine for the next two

23:22

weeks before coming down to the bubble. But there's

23:25

there's a decent amount of players

23:27

that have sat out, a none of which I'm judging it's a

23:29

very extreme situation. I'm surprised. Kevin

23:31

Durant says he wouldn't go, but he's also not

23:33

going to go, so yeah, he's here. Yeah,

23:36

joy with the news. Well that's

23:38

the news, and thanks for stopping by. It's

23:40

the Herd Line. Chris Brussard joining

23:42

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Chris Brussard, Fox Sports, NBA analyst listen

23:49

and publicly publicly

23:52

if you know. And Avery Bradley says, I don't

23:54

want to play. Everybody's gonna say we get it,

23:56

it's awesome, but it doesn't

23:58

make the Lakers better, you

24:01

know what I mean. So I think publicly

24:04

we're all gonna say the right thing, right,

24:06

But do you think if you were a star player

24:09

and somebody bailed that there may

24:11

be a little chasm here, a little bit of come

24:14

on, man, this is tough for all of us going

24:16

on in the league. Well,

24:18

look the fact that Avery Bradley

24:21

is not playing because of family

24:23

issues. That's a little bit different.

24:25

And I think you gotta be pretty cold

24:27

and callous to question a guy when

24:30

his son has a respiratory illness and

24:32

that's the reason he's not playing. So

24:35

that said, I do think

24:37

it just depends on the star Colin.

24:39

Like we saw just Kevin Durant saying

24:41

he may not have played, and I get it. It's

24:44

easy to say when you're injured. Kyrie

24:46

Irving saying he would not have played as

24:48

well. But so those are

24:50

guys though that understand the

24:52

hesitation, the apprehension

24:55

that certain guys have him playing. And I don't

24:57

think they're the only starts. I believe

24:59

they're other stars who are playing, but

25:02

who are a bit hesitant and

25:04

who are a bit concerned. And

25:06

I think a star like that would understand.

25:09

And Avery Bradley's situation with

25:11

Lebron James, he's never questioned

25:14

whether or not he was going to play, and

25:16

he's in a different place in his career for

25:18

Lebron, this is I

25:20

mean, I don't think it's his last chance to win

25:23

the championship, but it is

25:25

one of his last chances to

25:27

win it, whereas virtually all

25:29

of the other superstars are younger

25:32

and have other opportunities where they can

25:34

win it. So with a guy like

25:36

Lebron who knows that he needs all

25:38

hands on deck and he's all

25:41

in, you wonder what he you know,

25:43

I haven't talked to him, and I don't know how

25:45

he feels about it, but you do

25:47

wonder if I mean, clearly it's a it's

25:50

a hit to the Lakers, Oh yeah, and it's gonna

25:52

be tough for him to overcome. Yeah, Listen, I'm

25:54

sure publicly everybody, well a lot of

25:56

people say stuff publicly, and I'm sure Lebron

25:58

does support his teammate. But let's be

26:00

honest about this. This morning, the

26:03

Clippers now are better than

26:05

the Lakers. We thought they were better before,

26:08

and I don't think this helps the team right, Like this

26:10

is he's a veteran, he's

26:12

smart, he's Lebron's kind of dependable

26:14

two way player. Yeah, they're

26:16

not the same team. This morning, Colin,

26:19

I picked the Clippers you know early

26:21

in the season to win it all. And the reason

26:23

where there were two main things their depths

26:26

and their dog meaning I think

26:28

they're hungrier. I think up and

26:30

down the roster they've got more dogs in

26:32

their lineup than the Lakers do. Well.

26:35

One of those dogs with Avery Bradley.

26:37

Yeah, he's a guy that's mentally tough,

26:39

that plays, as you said, both ends, one of the best

26:42

perimeter defenders in the league, and a

26:44

three in D guy. Remember the one

26:46

time this year in three games that

26:49

they beat the Clippers, Avery Bradley

26:51

hit six three score twenty four

26:53

points. So this is big. And

26:55

you look at that depth and I don't know they're

26:57

gonna add JR. Smith or whoever. They're

27:00

not going to make up for what Avery Bradley

27:02

gives them. So look, is

27:04

it impossible for the Lakers to overcome.

27:07

No, they have two of the best

27:09

three players in a series with

27:11

the Clippers and Lebron in a D. But

27:13

the depth difference

27:16

has just widened. And then again

27:18

that dog difference, in my opinion, has

27:20

widened. Yeah, I'm watching some you know, he's a

27:22

two way player, and then a lot of guys in this league

27:24

are not two way players, and avery's smart, he's

27:26

a veteran, he's a two way guy. We're not saying he

27:28

shouldn't have done it. I'm just saying that. You know, you understand

27:31

now some of these stars, their windows

27:33

are closing. You know. Zion's

27:36

fascinating to me because there's I said

27:38

this yesterday, James

27:40

Harden doesn't want to be the face of

27:42

the league. Westbrook's not good with the media,

27:44

Kawhi doesn't talk. Sometimes

27:46

the best player, Tim Duncan or Kareem is

27:49

not the face of the league. I think if Lebron

27:51

retired tomorrow, for the next seven

27:53

years, I think Zion's going to be the face of the league. He's

27:55

averaging twenty four points, eight rebounds,

27:58

fifty nine percent shootings as a

28:00

baby. What do you make

28:02

of this bubble for him?

28:05

Is reportedly he's in good shape. Yeah,

28:08

and that's great because with young guys,

28:11

you especially guys that if they eat the wrong

28:13

thing, their bodies can blow up. You

28:16

wonder how will they handle the

28:18

three four months away. I wondered

28:20

it with Joel Embi, and it looks like he's

28:23

in pretty good shape. But that's another guy

28:25

you wondered about. So if Zion comes back

28:27

in shape. That speaks to not only how

28:30

he is physically, but mentally,

28:32

where he's at a maturity, a responsibility

28:35

that he has to take care of his body.

28:37

So I like that face of the league.

28:40

Look, there's no doubt that he will

28:42

be one of them. The question will

28:44

be how much winning he can

28:46

do, and he's in that

28:48

honeymoon phase where the winning isn't a big

28:51

deal. But I do think Colin he's

28:53

got to improve in the rebounding.

28:55

You upped him a notch when you said eight. He's

28:58

averaging I think a tad below. But

29:00

I'll give you that because I've you like the kid, But

29:04

I gotta see a little better rebounding

29:07

and defense. And I'm not holding it against

29:09

him as a youngster that doesn't defend. Very

29:11

few youngsters entered the NBA defending,

29:14

especially one that are great offensively. Lebron

29:17

wasn't much of a defender early in his career,

29:19

so I think Zion it will improve.

29:21

He's in the right situation as far as his teammates.

29:24

Linzo Balls almost a perfect point guard

29:26

for him. Drew Holliday's a veteran, so

29:29

he's in a good situation. It would

29:31

be phenomenal if they could

29:33

make the playoffs, and that's gonna

29:35

be a tough chore because they're at three

29:37

and a half games back with eight to play,

29:40

but if they could, that would be

29:42

a great step in the right direction. And then

29:44

next year the goal becomes not

29:47

just get to the playoffs, but actually

29:49

beginning to make a little noise once

29:51

you get there. Finally, let's say Lebron

29:54

wins it. And

29:56

I've said this before. If Lebron wins

29:59

as a Laker, as a calv and as

30:01

a Miami Heat, that Jordan documentary is

30:03

gonna lose some of its zip. Let's

30:06

just protect Let's just say he wins it. What's

30:08

it do? First, legacy, it's

30:11

huge. There are several things.

30:13

Number One, he would now join

30:15

Kareem Abdul Jabbar as

30:17

two of the top three players

30:19

to make it to ten NBA

30:22

finals. I know he will have lost six,

30:24

but just to get to ten NBA

30:27

finals is phenomenal. The

30:29

only player who will have led their team the more

30:31

finals would have been would be Bill Russell

30:33

with twelve, so that would be big. But

30:36

here's the other thing, Colin, in this

30:38

Goat conversation and legacy

30:41

talk, memorable moments

30:44

and storylines are huge. We

30:46

still remember what about Jordan the

30:49

shrug, Wow, I don't

30:51

know what's going on. I'm hot from three. I

30:53

hit seven threes in the first half against

30:56

Portland. We remember those moments,

30:58

and Lebron will have had two

31:01

of the most memorable storybook

31:04

Finals championships in NBA

31:06

history. Obviously the one in Cleveland,

31:09

whereas the first championship for the city in fifty

31:11

two years. He they beat up.

31:13

They came back from a three one deficit, only

31:15

team ever to do that. They would

31:18

have beat a seventy three win team.

31:20

He's at the most iconic block shot

31:23

in NBA history throwing in

31:25

another Finals against Golden State that the average

31:27

a triple double. And then this in

31:30

the season. Remember what Lebron said

31:32

shortly after the tragedy with Kobe Bryant.

31:35

God gave me big shoulders for a

31:38

reason. He was saying, I will

31:40

carry us. We remember his speech at

31:43

the game where he talked to the Lakers fans

31:45

about Kobe. If he could deliver

31:47

LA a championship in the year

31:50

of Kobe's death, in the year

31:52

of COVID, the COVID pandemic,

31:54

that would be as

31:56

memorable as any NBA finals

31:59

out there, and he's already got another

32:01

one. It's arguably the most memorable. So

32:03

I think it would be huge for Lebron's legacy

32:06

and strengthen his argument

32:08

and the goat talk for sure. Yeah, Chris

32:10

Bruce. So we got planning for the big weekend. Chris, what

32:12

are you gonna do this weekend? You

32:15

know I'm a grill master. Yeah, I don't

32:17

know if you knew. I don't know if that fifth my image,

32:19

but I'm mean on the grill. So I'll

32:21

be out there with some steak and

32:24

chicken and burgers and all that,

32:26

maybe even some ribs. You know what, let me just

32:28

read this. This is a good segue. Imagine

32:31

picking up your smartphone, opening an app

32:33

and controlling your girl remotely wreck

32:35

tech grills with ans dot com. Nice

32:38

segue, Chris Bruce Hard. And

32:41

that was not on purpose. I

32:43

had no idea. Good

32:45

stuff, Chris Bruce Hard. Thanks buddy. Um

32:48

come now top of the hour, It's time

32:50

for another edition of fake

32:53

Press Conference. But coming up next,

32:57

somebody said that, Um, Doug

32:59

Williams, form an NFL quarterback, said nobody

33:01

in the league the last two years that's been drafted, has

33:04

Dwayne Haskins arm talent? And

33:06

I got to get into this conversation because

33:09

this is one of the most overrated

33:11

terms in the league. I don't even know what it means

33:14

armed talent. That's next. Be sure

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I've always thought that Doug

33:34

Williams, a coach, goes out and says Dwayne

33:37

Haskins, second year quarterback Washington.

33:40

Last two years, nobody's been drafted with more arm

33:42

talent. So this has

33:44

always been what does arm talent mean?

33:47

Jay Cutler had a strong

33:50

arm, but I always thought he through a hard

33:52

ball. It was hard, you know, he didn't always

33:54

have good touch. Big Ben has a

33:56

huge arm, but I

33:59

always feel with ham and big bend big

34:01

arms, so often the receiver

34:03

has to wait or it's behind the receiver.

34:06

It's never in stride. What

34:08

does it mean? I'll give an example. So when I started out

34:10

in this business twenty five thirty

34:12

years ago, in radio, voice

34:15

mattered. In fact, I

34:17

was thinking of smoking Marlborough's and changing

34:20

my name to sky Banister and

34:22

just high it's I'm sky

34:25

Banister and my hair is made of wood. And

34:27

then I thought, after about ten years, voice

34:29

doesn't really matter, and with podcasting

34:32

it doesn't matter at all, and with digital

34:34

it doesn't matter. Voice no longer matters

34:36

doing radio, Are you compelling? Is your content

34:39

good? Mark Levin does a radio show.

34:41

It's a conservative radio show. He's got an annoying voice,

34:43

He's got a huge audience. It doesn't matter anymore. People

34:46

are into content. They don't care about voice. But

34:48

in radio twenty five thirty years ago, you'd

34:51

watch game shows and radio show it

34:53

was ballsy guys

34:57

barfing on the mic. And it's the same thing

34:59

that you to be in the NFL. You had a big, strong arm.

35:02

But the game has changed. We don't have huddles. More

35:04

of the decisions have been made at the line of scrimmage.

35:06

The quarterback has more power than ever. The receivers

35:09

are more talented. There's more ad libbing

35:11

going on, and so when I think

35:13

of armed talent, I think

35:15

of do you throw a catchable ball.

35:18

Is it in stride? Do

35:21

you throw a soft deep ball

35:23

with a feathery touch that drops down

35:25

from the sky like Seattle's soft

35:28

rain? Do you throw

35:30

a ball so you don't set

35:32

your receiver up to get smoked? Now,

35:34

Mahomes and Carson Wentz can

35:38

throw it from different angles, but

35:40

a lot of times with Wentz it's behind the receiver.

35:43

Sometimes Mahomes isn't even looking at you and

35:45

take big risks, which can sometimes

35:47

get the receiver in trouble if you're

35:49

now. I don't like the term arm talent.

35:52

But if I was an NFL receiver

35:55

and you ask me who threw the softest

35:57

deep ball, the most catchable ball

36:00

almost always a tight spiral. I mean, we've

36:03

all played catch before. If Joy and I played catch, it's

36:05

always easier to catch a spiral than

36:07

a wobbly football, especially

36:09

if there's any elements like rain or

36:11

a wind, it makes the wobbly throw. That's why Peyton

36:14

Manning was very, very good in a dome. He

36:16

never threw a beautiful football. I don't

36:18

want a hard thrower Kaepernick,

36:21

Jay Cutler, big Ben cam

36:23

Sometimes it doesn't feel it's hard,

36:25

it's behind the guy This

36:28

is my what I call arm talent, feathery

36:31

soft on the deep ball. Receiver

36:33

gets hit in stride. You don't

36:36

set receivers up to get smoked. We

36:38

make eye contact. You lead

36:41

me regularly. Here's my guys.

36:43

When I watch NFL games. Russell

36:46

Wilson, I think throws the most catchable

36:49

deep ball easily in

36:51

the NFL. I don't think it's close.

36:54

Brady and Breeze almost

36:56

always hit a guy in perfect stride.

36:59

I think Kyler Murray throws

37:01

the tightest ball in

37:03

the league, and I think Goff

37:07

maybe second in the league in the deep ball. It

37:09

is just I mean, honestly, it's a

37:11

down comforter. It's a pillow to

37:14

me. Now, this will

37:16

go out digitally and I'll get crushed for

37:18

this because everybody's what about Mahomes.

37:21

Mahomes is just the most talented

37:24

person in the world playing quarterback. He's

37:26

got a big arm, he can throw it sideways.

37:29

He doesn't look at you, but at times

37:31

he can be a little radic sometimes

37:35

the strongest arm in the league. Brett Farr,

37:37

big Ben, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahomes,

37:39

Carson Wentz. That doesn't always

37:42

mean it's the easiest ball. To catch.

37:44

And to me, this whole league is about what's

37:47

the easiest ball to catch? Because

37:49

if you can have all this talent, now you're gonna say,

37:51

well, Mahomes did this, and Mahomes did that, Patrick

37:54

Mahomes the most talented player. Like

37:57

if you just said if you were drafting a quarterback

37:59

that and you wanted all the skill set, But in terms

38:02

of easiest ball to cats, that's my five

38:04

guys. And Matt Ryan

38:06

was already close. And I'll get crushed for

38:08

that. Now I will say it's about Russell Wilson.

38:11

I've never seen in my life a guy

38:13

throw us a more catchable deep ball. It

38:16

is Have you ever noticed this with

38:18

Russell Wilson. Nobody ever drops

38:21

the ball the deep ball. Nobody

38:23

ever drops his deep ball. It is just he's

38:25

just handing it to you. So

38:27

there you go. Top of the hour, I'll

38:30

be doing a fake press conference. You

38:32

know, you know I was talking

38:34

about the Packers earlier and

38:36

that we should be really

38:41

it's remarkable they're as successful as they are.

38:44

So Brandon Marshall came on the show to yesterday

38:46

and he said, you know, they just wasted all of Aaron

38:48

Rodgers talent just

38:51

to show you how different the

38:53

green Bay Packers are from

38:56

the rest of the league. And I compared him to the Post

38:58

Office of Professional Sports

39:01

that the Post Office and the Packers are grandfathered

39:03

in, but you'd never use it today. If you just

39:05

started making the NFL today, nobody would put a team

39:07

in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Nobody would

39:09

have letters six days

39:12

cross country. It takes that would not be anybody's

39:14

former communication. So this

39:16

is how the Packers management

39:19

structure works. I'm not making this up. I

39:21

am reading this. The

39:23

stuffings like an official site. So

39:26

in Green Bay, the coach, Matt

39:28

Lafleur, reports to the general

39:30

manager. Now,

39:33

the general manager then usually

39:35

goes to the owner. That's

39:37

not the way it works in green Bay. The GM

39:40

reports to the CEO. The

39:44

CEO reports to a seven

39:47

person executive committee,

39:50

one of whom is the CEO. It

39:53

doesn't end there, and then the seven

39:55

person executive committee reports

39:57

to a forty three person board of directors.

40:01

In Dallas, you go down the hall,

40:04

you knock on Jerry Jones's door and say

40:07

can we make this happen? And then you get

40:09

an answer. The

40:11

coach to the GM, the GM to the CEO,

40:14

the CEO to a seven person executive committee,

40:17

and then that committee reports to a forty three person

40:19

board of directors. What

40:22

if you go look at the history of sports George

40:25

Steinbrenner Strong Owner championships.

40:29

The more layers to it, it doesn't start

40:32

looking at the Rooney family. It go

40:34

to the Rooney Family championships, Bob

40:37

Kraft, buck stops Here Championships,

40:40

Eddie de Bartolo, San Francisco buck

40:42

stops here Championships. The more

40:44

layers to it, the tougher it is to win. So we can

40:47

say, Aaron doesn't get this, Aaron doesn't get that.

40:49

Aaron does get this. Aaron does get that. The

40:51

packers, like the post office, are not built

40:54

for today. It's remarkable they still succeed.

40:56

One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty

40:58

four hours a day, seven days a week within the

41:00

iHeartRadio app. Search her to

41:02

listen live or on demand whenever

41:05

you'd like. Ah,

41:07

here we go, it's hour two. It's a Friday,

41:10

Eric Mangini in five minutes, Trent Dilfer to

41:12

Jamal Crawford still wants to play in the

41:14

NBA. Jason McIntire one hour down two

41:16

to go live in Los Angeles, wherever

41:18

you may be and however you

41:21

may be listening. I heart Radio, Fox Sports Radio,

41:23

and FS one. I came to a conclusion last night, and

41:26

I haven't never given a great deal of

41:28

thought until last night. But from the minute

41:30

I wake up until the minute I finished dinner, I

41:32

am an incredibly disciplined eater and human

41:35

being. And then about thirty minutes

41:37

after dinner is done, the wheels

41:39

come off. And last night I had

41:42

pop raman pumpkin pie, a

41:44

bowl of cereal, two pieces

41:46

of shrimp, and peanut butter in an hour forty

41:49

five minute setting after dinner. The Hell's

41:51

wrong with me? The wheels come off.

41:53

I wake up until dinner's

41:55

finished. I am literally you could do a video,

41:58

a nutrition video about me. And then

42:00

like forty five minutes after dinner, I

42:03

am just in the weeds. I can't hit the

42:05

fairway shrimp. I'm just

42:07

just went to the store. I got everything. I just

42:09

in my stomach. My boiler last night was probaby.

42:12

How does your stomach deal with that? Not great?

42:15

Not gonna lie to you, not great, shrimp,

42:18

peanut butter, pumpkin pie, cereal?

42:21

What else did you say? Pack

42:23

of fireworks? Maybe you just need to eat more for

42:25

dinner. YEA, God,

42:28

I'm a mess. So so

42:30

here's a story that, Um, you

42:32

know, there's a reason I don't speak for this company.

42:34

We got bosses that do that. Okay,

42:37

if somebody wants to speak about this show, probably actually

42:39

be the person to speak about the show, right, it's called the herd

42:41

and stuff. But but I always think with the New York

42:43

Jets, there are a bunch of disparate parts and different

42:45

disparate personalities and they're never kind of functioning

42:48

on the same wavelength. So yesterday, we

42:51

all know this Jamal Adams situation is kind

42:53

of you know, inflamed, right. So

42:55

Greg Williams becomes

42:57

the first team official to comment on it. What

43:00

are you doing? It's like, Greg, don't

43:03

make yourself available to the press

43:05

because you know what the first five questions

43:07

are. And he wasn't too bad.

43:09

He danced around it, but he used the word contract

43:11

three different times and he's got to

43:13

handle his contract. Don't mess with a guy's contract.

43:16

I've got his back on the contract. Okay,

43:19

this doesn't happen in New England. First of all, he didn't

43:22

let his coordinators talk, but not during

43:24

a crisis. A flammable crisis.

43:26

So in New York, you've got Adam Gayes who's polarizing.

43:29

Greg Williams is outspoken and can't

43:31

keep a job for more than three and four years. Sam

43:33

Darnold's caught in the middle. Lavy and Bell has

43:36

a GM and a coach that will probably move in a year. You

43:38

got a great safety whose outspoken wants a new

43:40

contract and the GM doesn't want to give it to him. And

43:44

it's just like you got a GM who's cleaning

43:46

up a previous incompetent GM's mess. And

43:48

so I said this morning, Derek Jeter and Eli

43:51

Manning were great. They

43:54

talked every day and never said anything.

43:57

There is an art in New York City to

43:59

talk and not saying anything. So

44:02

Greg Williams should have never made himself

44:04

available on any conference call,

44:06

on any zoom meaning to answer any questions

44:09

about Jamal Adams. And so I said

44:11

this morning, I'm gonna play Greg Williams.

44:13

We're gonna do fake. I have no idea what the

44:15

questions are. Joy is going to be an annoying

44:18

New York Beat reporter and it's gonna ask me a bunch

44:20

of probing questions and I'm gonna

44:22

pretend i'm Greg Williams, although I would

44:24

have never made myself available

44:26

to be asked questions

44:29

about Jamal Adams. He's

44:31

the first guy to talk about it. Not the coach, not the

44:33

g I'm not the owner. So put the press

44:36

conference. Let's see if I can avoid I'm gonna be grumpy,

44:38

Greg Williams, you ask the questions. I'll see

44:40

if I can avoid it. Bill New

44:42

York Times, what are your initial thoughts on the Jamal

44:45

Adams situation? The only

44:47

situation I know is when he plays, he's great, Mike,

44:52

New York Posts. Should the Jets give

44:54

Jamal a huge contract? That's

44:57

not my department. There's guys upstairs

44:59

that do that. They call lawyers. Sherry

45:02

Daily News, Hi, Sherry, Hi, you look a lot like

45:05

Joy Taylor. Why are you talking? Yeah? I get that

45:07

a lot. What do you make of the reports

45:09

that Jamal doesn't get along with Adam Gase? I

45:13

don't know. I get along with Jamal

45:15

Adams. I mean as

45:18

a basketball player, I played within ten years, so I get

45:20

along with him. I don't know. I mean, do you know who

45:23

gets along in every family

45:25

and every company? I get along with him. I never

45:27

heard that. Christopher

45:30

from Star Ledger, how would you feel

45:32

the Jets trade in Jamal? I'm

45:36

a defensive coordinator. I

45:39

don't do contracts. I'm not a doctor. All

45:42

I know is when I write my schemes up, He's

45:45

everywhere I want him to be. Diana

45:49

General News, what's your relationship with

45:51

Adam Gase? He's my

45:53

boss. My

45:56

relationship is we

45:58

have meetings on Tuesday and Friday, and

46:02

I submit to him my game plan and

46:05

if he has a problem with it, he tweaks it. He's

46:07

the head coach. I'm a coordinator. That's

46:10

my relationship. Marcus

46:13

from a Newsday Is Jamal now a distraction

46:15

from the team? How

46:18

is he a distraction? He's the best football player

46:21

perhaps on our conference. How is

46:23

that a distraction? It's

46:26

not that tough. That one

46:28

more. Joy Taylor that

46:32

the relationship with Jamal is beyond repair.

46:36

Beyond repair? What's the repair? I

46:39

have an incredible relationship. Every

46:42

time I see Jamal Adams, we're smiling.

46:46

It's not that difficult. Stiff.

46:49

Just know when you go to a press conference, know

46:52

the question that's going to be asked. We have pr

46:55

people at my company. Yeah, I don't I turned

46:57

down most I'm not I don't want to be interviewed at this point

46:59

in my career, doesn't value in it. I mean seriously,

47:02

but if I get interviewed, I

47:04

always say, what are the two questions I gotta be

47:06

prepared for. It's

47:09

just like, just tell me what are they going to ask about? Like I

47:11

don't need to know all the questions, but where do you think they're going on

47:13

this? Where's the booby trap with

47:15

this blogger that wants to see me get in trouble

47:19

and it just stop talking to you? Stop using

47:21

the word contract. I got his

47:23

back. This is just really be

47:26

only one voice for any

47:28

organization, especially when it comes to personnel

47:31

stuff. I want to go to Eric Mangini, who's been a

47:33

head coach a couple of times in his life, and he's been

47:35

a coordinator joining us to be at the Coward Global Satellite

47:37

Network. He's in like someplace called

47:40

Cape cod. Don't even ask me how the technology

47:42

works. I don't even know it works,

47:44

Okay, am I am I simplifying

47:47

it? First of all, if I'm Greg Williams, I'm not making

47:49

myself available until

47:52

this thing gets talked about. Second of all, am

47:54

I simplifying what

47:56

it's like to stand in front of the media and as

47:59

a coordinator and answer questions on a clearly

48:01

flammable situation. Well,

48:04

I look, I felt like I was watching one of

48:06

my old press conferences watching you there.

48:09

And it doesn't always

48:11

play well when you answer

48:13

questions like that. And New England

48:16

gets criticized all the time because they

48:18

try to protect proprietary information.

48:21

They try to make sure that they're

48:23

not creating distractions, but it's

48:25

not entertaining and there's a lot of people that get

48:27

frustrated with the fact that the answers

48:29

don't just flow out of there, and

48:32

it can be a pretty

48:34

big negative thing and you just need to deal

48:36

with the negative press that goes with that. Now

48:39

that being said, I don't think these comments

48:42

were that bad Colin at all. And one

48:45

of the nice things about being a defensive

48:47

coordinator, offensive coordinator, position coach

48:50

is you don't have to be the bad guy. You

48:53

don't have to play that role. What you do have to

48:55

do is whether Jamal gets a new contract

48:57

or doesn't get a new contract, you've

49:00

got to get him to play at his highest possible

49:02

level. And that's why these guys are

49:05

going to try to promote the relationship

49:07

as much as possible. And as a head coach,

49:09

you're fine with that. You're fine with being

49:12

the bad guy or the GM is

49:14

fine with playing that role. And the position

49:16

coaches and the coordinators they

49:19

have a different luxury than

49:21

you have, and they need that relationship

49:24

to be as strong as possible to maximize

49:26

the players performance. All right, So maybe

49:28

I'm being too critical to Greg Williams there. Maybe I

49:30

should have just kept quiet. A

49:33

great job on your press counts are really nicely

49:35

done. Your hair was disheveled

49:38

too. You've played the part, thanks,

49:40

coach. So it's

49:42

not just the Tom Brady topic. I want to talk about free

49:44

agency. So Tom goes

49:47

to Tampa. You have lost players

49:49

to free agency and you have gained them as a

49:51

head coach and a coordinator. What's the

49:53

most difficult thing about being

49:56

a free agency and going

49:58

into a new culture. Well,

50:01

you you hope to get

50:04

all the characteristics that that that player

50:07

demonstrated in his previous

50:09

at his previous team, but it doesn't

50:12

always happen right away. I remember when

50:14

we brought Steve Atwater to the Jets, when

50:16

I was there with Bill Parcels and I was working with

50:18

the secondary and Steve Atwater is what.

50:21

He's an incredible guy, an incredible presence.

50:23

And it's not that he wasn't those things in

50:26

New York. He just wasn't the dominant

50:28

personality that he had been previously.

50:31

Because these guys are and to

50:34

some degree Alan Fannik or at the start that

50:36

the same thing. These guys are our guys,

50:39

and they want to fit in. They want to show that

50:41

they can be part of the organization, that

50:43

they can be part of the locker room that

50:46

they're involved in. Now, ultimately they're

50:48

great traits come out. It just may take

50:51

a little bit longer than you as a coach

50:53

and you as an organization wants

50:55

it to happen because they're trying to fit

50:58

in as well. You know, yes day

51:00

on our show, Brandon Marshall,

51:02

very talented wide receiver, came out and he said, you

51:04

know, I think Green Bay has sort of

51:07

wasted Aaron Rodgers career. And

51:10

you know, it was interesting and I thought to myself, well,

51:12

he's had five offensive linemen make

51:14

a Pro Bowl, some multiple times, six

51:16

receivers become Pro Bowlers, so you

51:18

can't argue. And he's had two offensive head coaches.

51:21

So those are all above league averages for

51:24

quarterbacks in the last ten years, his offensive

51:26

line has been better than average. He's always got a

51:28

star receiver, Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams,

51:31

you know his slot guy, Randall Cobb had

51:33

a Pro Bowl, Greg Jennings, Donald Driver. When

51:36

you and I the comp you know, it's interesting

51:38

about I mean, hell, Dan Fouts had a great

51:40

coach, so did Dan Marino. They never won Super

51:42

Bowls. What do you make about the argument

51:44

many have made that Green Bay has wasted

51:47

Aaron Rodgers talent. Well,

51:49

then you could make that argument

51:52

about a lot of situations. Has Drew Brees

51:55

been wasted in New Orleans? Was Peyton Manning

51:57

wasted in Indianapolis?

51:59

And and if you're looking at Green Bay, you

52:01

could say that they epically wasted

52:04

quarterbacks because they had Brett Farve before

52:06

they had Aaron Rodgers and he only

52:08

won one Super Bowl. This is

52:11

a really interesting debate because

52:13

Belichick and Brady set the bar,

52:16

so you have a great quarterback, and if you truly have a

52:18

great coach, then six

52:20

super Bowls is now the bar. And

52:23

and all these other situations where

52:26

it's one super Bowl or no super Bowls,

52:28

and you've got Hall of Fame talent, as

52:31

that organization wasted the talent, you have something

52:34

that most teams don't don't get

52:36

close to, and it's

52:39

it's it is a very very interesting

52:41

debate. Yeah. Yeah, we

52:43

were saying that this morning. Dan Marino had a Hall

52:45

of Fame coach, no super bowls. Dan

52:48

Fouts had a Hall of Fame coach and incredible

52:50

weapons and he didn't have a super Bowl. And I consider

52:52

two of those guys two the top twelve quarterbacks I've ever

52:54

seen in my life. So it is interesting.

52:57

Now you know as a former coach that

53:00

you know that you can't be a puritan

53:03

with NFL. Not everybody may

53:05

share every value you have. Talent wins

53:07

in this league. Antonio Brown

53:10

can be disruptive and there's things he's

53:12

done as a human I don't like, but

53:15

good God, for six years he was Randy

53:17

Moss Baltimore,

53:20

Seattle or interested coach. If

53:22

you ran the Seahawks or Ravens, would you roll

53:24

the dice on him? Antonio

53:27

Brown, what eighteen months

53:29

ago, led the NFL in touchdowns

53:32

fifteen touchdowns the last time he played.

53:36

He was explosive and playing

53:38

or coaching against him for years and

53:41

seeing the things that he's able to do. He's

53:43

an incredible talent. And there's

53:46

three teams that have significant dead money

53:49

on their cap because he's an incredible talent.

53:51

Now, whether or not you can get

53:53

him to Sunday is a

53:56

big question mark. And whether

53:59

or not he's going to be able to play and the commissioner is going

54:01

to let him play, that's a big question mark. But

54:03

all that being said, if you get him to the

54:05

field, you've got something special.

54:08

And there's very few players

54:10

like him, So I would imagine Seattle

54:12

would take that chance, and look,

54:15

Pete could make it work. Pete. Pete has made

54:17

some players work that other people

54:19

thought, you know, couldn't. Yeah,

54:22

you know. Finally, So we were talking

54:25

about arm talent and I said, when I got in

54:27

radio twenty five years ago, people thought you

54:29

had to have a great voice. I clearly disproved

54:31

that. So it's more

54:33

about content now and what you say. And I've

54:36

heard this this talent. No, I think Patrick

54:38

Mahomes is the best arm talent. Sideways,

54:40

arm angles, all that stuff. Carson Wentz is great,

54:43

But I think if you're asking

54:45

me who throws the most catchable

54:47

ball, Russell Wilson, Jared

54:50

Goff, Drew Brees,

54:52

Brady Kyler, Murray, Your guys, the

54:55

ball is just pillowy, soft,

54:57

perfect. I think Jared Goffe was one of the best deep balls

55:00

I've ever seen for a young quarterback. So

55:02

let me ask you as a coach, is it arm

55:05

strength? Is it touch? How do you fall

55:07

on that stuff? Well, I'm

55:09

a little bit more in line with you, Colin.

55:11

I look at is it a catchall ketch

55:13

a ball or not a catchable ball? And I've

55:15

had plenty of guys with tremendous

55:18

arm strength. And what happens is

55:20

it's like that old saying if all you have is

55:22

a hammer, everything looks like a nail and

55:24

they can't put it. They can't put any

55:26

touch on the ball. They can't throw the short swinger

55:28

out to the back, they can't throw the shallow

55:31

cross. It's either behind the guy or in front

55:33

of the guy, or bounces off his face

55:35

mask. And arm talent is

55:38

another aspect of it, where you want him to be able

55:40

to make all the throws. But the

55:42

question is can he can he

55:44

throw a ball that is catchable and

55:47

and does he make the receivers work

55:49

for the balls that they have to catch. There's guys

55:51

that can can get it out in front of receivers

55:54

and let him catch and run. Where there's a bunch

55:56

of quarterbacks where it's it's so awkwardly

55:58

placed that even when they catch it, they

56:00

just fall down. So it's a to

56:02

me, it's it's more what you're saying,

56:05

is it a catchable balls as opposed

56:08

to armed talent or armed strength.

56:10

Yeah, So you're out there in Cape Cod

56:13

that is spoil. I'll say that's a ritzy part

56:15

of the country now when it's

56:18

nowhere near the part of the country

56:20

you live in college. I live in a small secluded

56:22

grotto in a small little town in Los Angeles.

56:25

Cape Cod is like the Kennedy's and stuff

56:28

I couldn't afford, a like a that's

56:32

shack in that town, a

56:35

bird bath anything. Okay,

56:39

get out here, I'll buy you a state. Good seeing you all

56:41

right, good seeing you come. Eric Mangini won three

56:44

Super Bowls. Yeah, he's out there, and you know one

56:46

of the things about that area, So Cape

56:48

Cod's great. And then there's Martha's Vineyard.

56:51

My buddy Ryan Risilo grew up there. I used

56:53

to go to Nantucket, which is this boomerang shaped

56:55

island. My wife is afraid of flying, so

56:57

you'd have to fly these little tiny like crop

57:01

dusters out to Nantucket. If

57:03

you live on the West Coast and you've never gone to Nantucket,

57:06

let me just be the Chamber of Commerce spokesman.

57:08

It is incredible. You fly

57:11

into this boomerang island. It

57:14

is you'll see celebrities.

57:16

You'll see it's the best lobster. Literally,

57:19

they just grab lobster and they throw

57:21

it on your lobster roll. It's

57:23

still moving. It's the best lobster

57:26

Nantucket. I'd

57:30

been. Yeah, the whole that whole region is

57:32

so unique in America. Cape Cod Martha's

57:35

Vineyard, Nantucket. But you'll have to take a tiny

57:37

plane. And I don't mind the plane bounce

57:39

around a lot because it's windy. Man,

57:42

that place is nice. It is nice. Uh

57:45

No, I'm not taking a boat. I

57:48

watched the boat take

57:50

I don't know. So there's a ferry I think out there,

57:52

and I just want to get on plane. I fan.

57:54

Yeah, I make your poor wife, who hates flying,

57:57

get on a little propeller plane. So I've just taken a

58:00

you know, a plane is small when they tuck the luggage

58:02

and the nose of the plane. Yeah, when

58:04

they open the nose up and they were

58:06

taking a seaplane, it literally lands on the water once

58:10

San Juan islands in Et Sound

58:12

in Washington State. Yeah. Yeah, I've

58:14

taken some crazy forms of transportation.

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apply. So Lebron James says

59:01

Colin Kaepernick deserves an apology

59:04

from the NFL. And here is the King, Lebron

59:07

James. As far as the NFL.

59:09

I'm not in those locker rooms. I'm

59:12

not with those guys, but I do understand that

59:15

an apology. I have not heard

59:17

a true official apology to Colin

59:20

Kaepernick on what he was going through

59:22

and what he was trying to tell the NFL and

59:24

tell the world about why he was kneeling

59:27

when he was doing that as a San Francisco

59:29

forty nine er. So I

59:32

just see that to be still be wrong. And

59:35

now they are listening some, but I still think

59:38

we have not heard that official apology to

59:40

a man who basically sacrifice

59:42

everything for the better of his world.

59:45

That's an opinion. I don't have to agree with it. I can't,

59:47

I can't, doesn't matter, But I will say

59:49

this, I don't always have an

59:52

opinion in the middle of

59:54

crisis because people

59:56

and companies regularly get thrown into

59:58

what I would call the outrage blender.

1:00:01

And if you've never been at it, and I have, it's

1:00:04

real time. And I find

1:00:06

in life that everybody is just an

1:00:08

expert on it when viewing

1:00:10

it from the rear view mirror, but

1:00:13

life comes at you through the windshield. No

1:00:17

league is really comfortable with players kneeling

1:00:19

for the anthem they're not. That's why the NBA

1:00:21

banned it twenty years ago when a player sat

1:00:23

for the anthem, then they banned it, and

1:00:27

then the NFL at Kaepernick Neil, and then

1:00:29

two years later twenty eighteen, they banned

1:00:31

it. Nobody's

1:00:34

truly comfortable because it does tick off

1:00:36

some Americans. I'm not one, but it

1:00:38

takes off lots of people. The

1:00:41

NFL Kaepernick situation was tough. It

1:00:43

happened suddenly. It caught people off guard.

1:00:47

TV ratings were going down, the media

1:00:49

was crushing you. People were taking sides,

1:00:52

Advertisers were pushing back. The

1:00:55

president, who was more popular, was taking

1:00:57

shot after shot at you. It

1:00:59

was a real time crisis. There

1:01:02

were no easy answers. But

1:01:05

of course when we look at life through

1:01:07

the rear view mirror, with

1:01:09

time and reflection and

1:01:11

various contexts, the

1:01:13

answers are always much easier. But

1:01:16

the NBA doesn't let you sit orneel

1:01:19

for an anthem because they struggled

1:01:21

with this like twenty twenty five years ago, and they

1:01:23

weren't comfortable with it. By the way,

1:01:25

one of the reasons I did not rip

1:01:27

Lebron James or Steve Kerr

1:01:31

during that China mess

1:01:33

Earlier this year, Darryl Moray came out

1:01:35

with a tweet about

1:01:38

China and China's

1:01:41

government said we're taking away our billions of dollars

1:01:44

with the NBA, and then Lebron

1:01:46

and Steve Kerr came out and I

1:01:49

thought, we're a little bumpy. Could be viewed

1:01:51

as a little hypocritical that they weren't

1:01:53

clabbering China for

1:01:55

some awful human rights violations.

1:01:57

Almost felt like they were supporting him but being

1:02:00

critical of our government, which they have a right to do.

1:02:02

But I didn't bang on Lebron. It

1:02:05

was a real time crisis. I've been

1:02:07

in them before. There's no easy

1:02:09

answers. You're getting attacked from one

1:02:11

side and supported from the other, and your bosses

1:02:13

are yelling at yeah, and the owner's met at yet the

1:02:15

GM's gonna get fired. Kaepernick

1:02:18

was not easy. Ratings

1:02:21

down President Polkan, President Rippon,

1:02:23

advertisers, concerned players supporting

1:02:26

them, players against him. Folks,

1:02:28

real life is coming at you

1:02:30

through the windshield. It's always way

1:02:32

easier watching it through the rear view mirror.

1:02:35

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only paid for what you need. Well,

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on paper, the Falkins offense looks explosive.

1:02:49

Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, Calvin

1:02:52

Ridley, Gurley, and Ryan

1:02:54

believes this year's skill players can be as

1:02:56

good as the group that they had in twenty twelve

1:02:58

when Atlanta went thirteen and three and almost reached

1:03:00

the Super Bowl. We had

1:03:02

a pretty good unit in twenty twelve

1:03:05

with you know, Roddy White, Julio Jones,

1:03:08

Michael Turner, Tony Gonzalez. I

1:03:10

mean, those guys were all pretty good. But I've

1:03:13

gotta imagine, you know, this is,

1:03:16

you know, right up there with them. I think you're talking

1:03:18

about Julio and his prime, Calvern

1:03:20

Ridley going into year three, coming into his own. You

1:03:22

got Todd Gurley, who's hungry, who wants

1:03:25

to, you know, prove it this year. Hayden

1:03:27

Hurst another guy, first round draft

1:03:29

pick. It's gotta be right up there, you know.

1:03:32

I think. So I've been lucky. Well,

1:03:34

we know that you can't quit the Falcons. I won't.

1:03:37

Nope, no, I've done done No,

1:03:39

No, I mean yeah, I'll come back. And then after

1:03:41

a couple of times and she keeps cheating on you. They got a

1:03:43

bail on the girl. I'm done with it. Lad,

1:03:45

you could not I know

1:03:47

I couldn't quit them for a long

1:03:50

time. I quit them. I think

1:03:52

Saints Winnett, Tampa Bay second, and Carolina

1:03:54

a surprising third. You think

1:03:57

they come in last in the division, it

1:03:59

won't be a bad, lad, it won't be a five and eleven. It'll

1:04:01

be like an eight, eight, seven and nine. I think Caroline is way

1:04:03

better offensively than people think. Their

1:04:05

schedules brutal, But I think their offense,

1:04:08

I think they're going to surprise people. I think they're going to

1:04:10

ruin a couple of people's season. They're

1:04:12

not a playoff team, Yeah, because they are better than people

1:04:15

are. By the way, Denver last year was that. Yeah,

1:04:17

Denver ruined a couple of people's season. Denver was

1:04:19

a pain in the butt. Well,

1:04:21

I'm glad this is live. You always ask him for taping

1:04:23

this because much like the coffee

1:04:26

situation, I have a feeling at some point in the season,

1:04:29

Well, when I like the owner of the GM and

1:04:32

the quarterback, it's hard for me not to get sucked into

1:04:34

the whole thing, and I do. Their coach is

1:04:36

a day to day situation. Game to game situation.

1:04:39

So Aaron Rodgers isn't the only Packer dealing

1:04:41

with the team drafting a rookie in

1:04:43

his position. Green Bay also drafted

1:04:45

running back A J. Dillon in the second round this year,

1:04:48

but Aaron Jones thinks it will make him work

1:04:50

even harder this season. He said, I know it's the NFL. They're bringing

1:04:53

in guys every day to compete, so it's just going to

1:04:55

raise my game and I'm excited to have him here and

1:04:58

start working with him, teaching him the playbook and everything.

1:05:01

It's a little bit different when it comes to the running

1:05:03

back position, obviously than than the quarterback

1:05:05

position. I didn't love their draft of a running

1:05:07

back. You know, didn't love it. I can, I

1:05:09

can. I can argue on behalf of Jordan Love

1:05:12

that I get six four big arm runs

1:05:14

around future the NFL. I will always

1:05:16

defend a team if they really graded quarterback high

1:05:18

and go our guys thirty five, we're in.

1:05:20

I'll totally defend a team on that. I would have no

1:05:23

problem with the Jordan Love draft

1:05:25

pick if they hadn't moved up to get

1:05:27

him, Okay, that's fair. If he fell

1:05:29

to them, I would have felt more comfortable with it this. I

1:05:31

actually don't have a problem with him taking it to Dylan because

1:05:34

I feel like you should almost draft the running

1:05:36

back every draft, not necessarily

1:05:38

that high. If you pass someone like Aaron Jones, who

1:05:40

is a very good running back, but with

1:05:43

injuries like that's that's a position that you don't

1:05:45

I wouldn't mind having depth ats. And

1:05:48

again, like he's he's comfortable and

1:05:50

confident in his position on the team, So being

1:05:53

able to help him and you know, teach

1:05:55

him the playbook, as he said, help him develop. This is only

1:05:57

going to make the team better. It's Aaron Jones position.

1:05:59

Like he He's the running back absolutely

1:06:02

for the Packers. Finally, Mike

1:06:04

Tyson has been preparing for boxing

1:06:07

comeback. We've seen some pretty intense videos

1:06:09

he's been posting on social media, and there was

1:06:11

talk that current heavyweights Tyson Fury

1:06:13

could be an opponents. Fury said that they

1:06:15

did have discussions about putting together a fight, but ultimately

1:06:18

it fell apart because of money. He said, there

1:06:20

was talk of it. I was contacted by Mike Tyson's

1:06:22

people. It was definitely real, but never materialized.

1:06:24

Whoever was offering the comeback money to

1:06:27

Mike offered us peanuts. Mike was

1:06:29

talking about five hundred million pound figures,

1:06:31

but what came back to us on paper was a joke. I did

1:06:33

have a ten million dollar offer to do the fight

1:06:35

as an exhibition, but I think everyone has moved

1:06:38

on now. Well it was out there then, yeah,

1:06:40

I mean it's it's I don't

1:06:43

think Fury has a lot to win. It's great. I

1:06:45

also called the tight fight with Tyson I

1:06:47

lose, lose because he didn't

1:06:49

need to fight a man past his best, and

1:06:52

also he doesn't need the money and he's

1:06:54

the champ, so there's very little win in it for the

1:06:56

money. He's the champs. He's

1:06:58

going he has another fight with Wilder as we

1:07:00

know that they're probably going to fight later on this year.

1:07:03

Then he has two fights with Anthony

1:07:05

Joshua after that, regardless of how that Wilder

1:07:07

fight goes. So he's lined

1:07:10

up with legitimate ad fights as the heavyweight

1:07:12

champ right now, so he doesn't need

1:07:15

to fight Mike Tyson at fifty three. It

1:07:17

just would have been interesting. It's certainly not for the money,

1:07:19

but he's right. As much as I would

1:07:21

have liked to see this, and I would have been interested

1:07:24

in it if you really think about it, He's

1:07:26

the heavyweight champ fighting Mike Tyson. Like

1:07:28

Mike Tyson has completely rehabilitated his

1:07:30

image. It would being interested in this people

1:07:33

like Mike Now. Yeah, So if we get he gets

1:07:35

in there and it's a it's bad on

1:07:38

Mike, Like, that's not a good look for Tyson Fair, We're gonna

1:07:40

be like, we'll change your mind immediately, like why are

1:07:42

you fighting Mike Tyson? Like this is not even reasonable? And then

1:07:44

if he loses to Mike Tyson's brutal,

1:07:46

right, then what happens? So it is a lose lose situation

1:07:49

for him. I still would like to see an exhibition, maybe

1:07:51

the Shannon Briggs or someone else, but

1:07:55

Mike seems like he wants to fight, so we'll see wild

1:07:59

stranger things have happened. They have

1:08:01

Johnny Yeah, Joy with the news. Well

1:08:04

that's the news and thanks for stopping by.

1:08:07

Third Line were so

1:08:10

yesterday on the show, Brandon Marshall came out and he said,

1:08:12

um, he said that basically,

1:08:15

I think we have the bite where he just said, listen, Green Bay

1:08:17

has wasted Aaron Rodgers' career and

1:08:20

here's here's Brandon Marshall on yesterday's

1:08:23

show. Do you guys have it? It's

1:08:25

too late? Come on, man, they sort have

1:08:27

won two Super Bowls in the last five years.

1:08:30

You to me, Aaron Rodgers is my favorite

1:08:32

quarterback in the NFL, But you wasted

1:08:35

this guy's career. You got

1:08:37

one super Bowl out of Aaron Rodgers. Are

1:08:40

you kidding me? It's too late, It's

1:08:42

too late. So have they underserved

1:08:44

Aaron Rodgers. Well, here's what we went back this

1:08:46

morning and looked at all the tears of Super Bowl wins.

1:08:49

Not how good the quarterbacks are, but how many have they won.

1:08:52

And so there's a handful of all

1:08:54

time great quarterbacks that

1:08:57

never won a Super Bowl. Dan Marina never won a Super

1:08:59

Bowl, Dan Fouts, Jim

1:09:02

Kelly, and Warren Moon and Fran Tarkington.

1:09:04

By the way, they all all

1:09:08

had great coaches. Warren had great

1:09:10

weapons, perhaps not the great coach. So four

1:09:13

of five had great coaches.

1:09:15

Well, if you have a great coach, that generally means you

1:09:17

have support. Here's the guys that won one

1:09:20

Super Bowl. Breeze, Russell Wilson, Brett

1:09:22

Farve, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young,

1:09:25

Well again, Mike Holmgren,

1:09:27

Sean Payton, Pete Carroll. You

1:09:30

start looking at these guys, they

1:09:33

had support. I mean, the Packers are a well

1:09:35

run team. He had Mike McCarthy

1:09:37

and to Matt Lafleur. Their offensive guys, Aaron

1:09:40

Rodgers has had five different

1:09:42

offensive lineman in his career in Green may make

1:09:44

a Pro Bowl better than league average. And

1:09:46

five different wide receivers Jordy Nelson,

1:09:49

Greg Jennings, Randall, Cob Donald Driver, Davante

1:09:51

Adams make a Pro Bowl that's beyond

1:09:53

the league average. And now we go to quarterbacks with two

1:09:55

Super Bowls. Okay,

1:09:57

and as Bart Starr and Roger Stauback

1:09:59

and Bob Greasy and Jim Plunkett and John Elway

1:10:01

and Peyton Manning and Big Ben and Eli. Well, Peyton's

1:10:03

way better than Eli, and Peyton's better than

1:10:06

bart Starr and Bob Greasy and Jim Plunkett, and it's

1:10:10

kind of Some had good coaches, some didn't.

1:10:12

Then we go to three Super Bowls. There's only one of those guys

1:10:14

in the NFL, Troytman. So here's the quarterbacks

1:10:16

with the most Super Bowl wins. Brady's got six, Montana

1:10:19

four, Bradshaw and Montana had great

1:10:21

coaches. Troytman's got three. He had a great coach for a while,

1:10:23

but not forever. Duc there's

1:10:25

no real thread. Some

1:10:29

guys got great coaches and were great

1:10:32

quarterbacks and didn't win any and

1:10:34

some guys Eli Manning were really good quarterbacks

1:10:36

who had a really good coach and they won two.

1:10:40

And then outside of really Tom Brady, Joe

1:10:43

Montana and Terry Bradshaw,

1:10:45

you could say everybody left stuffed on the table. You

1:10:48

could say everybody left stuff on the table.

1:10:50

Jimmy Johnson doesn't retire, doesn't natman win two?

1:10:52

More So, like to me, there's

1:10:54

no common thread. I don't think Aaron's been

1:10:57

overserved or underserved

1:10:59

old line, better than average receivers, better than average,

1:11:01

two offensive coaches. He's gotten a break

1:11:03

on dysfunction both to Troit and Chicago kind of dysfunctional

1:11:06

in his organization. I don't think

1:11:08

he's been given unbelievably

1:11:12

great Peyton Manning offensive

1:11:14

weapons or Dante Scarnecki

1:11:17

as an offensive coach, or Pete Carroll as

1:11:19

a defensive play designer. But

1:11:21

there's no rhyme or reason on the Super Bowl thing. Are

1:11:24

you good he is? And

1:11:26

do you have enough support

1:11:28

to win. He does. Trent

1:11:31

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1:11:42

for fifteen years in the NFL Pro Bowl and the Super

1:11:45

Bowl with the Ravens twenty years ago. In fact, he is

1:11:47

joining us on the phone the super Bowl champ in my muddy

1:11:49

Trent Delfer. So I've got about

1:11:51

nine and a half minutes on this thing, so I want to get in too at

1:11:53

Trent. So we've got into this discussion earlier

1:11:56

where Jay Cutler had a great arm, but I

1:11:58

thought he threw a hard ball. Big

1:12:00

Ben's got a great arm, but he often throws

1:12:02

it behind receivers. I know

1:12:05

Maholmes is some godlike

1:12:08

super arm talent. I think

1:12:10

it's touch as long as you can make ninety

1:12:12

five percent of the throws. What

1:12:15

do you make of the term arm talent? Well,

1:12:19

I think I invented it. To be honest with you,

1:12:21

I don't know if I invented. I started using on TV

1:12:23

before anybody else about twelve years ago because

1:12:25

I was really frustrated with exact conversation.

1:12:28

I just left the league. I was evaluating

1:12:30

college guys for ESPN. I was working

1:12:32

with the lead eleven, and I kept getting

1:12:34

these conversations, these archaic conversations

1:12:37

with personnel people about arm strength,

1:12:39

and I was like, I don't understand, you

1:12:42

know why arm strength there is this big differentiator

1:12:45

amongst quarterbacks. I just got done playing.

1:12:47

I've studied the best guys, I played

1:12:49

against the best guys, and it wasn't always their arm

1:12:51

strength that differentiated them. It was so many

1:12:54

other things about their talent. And I

1:12:56

was sitting with a GM, a Super Bowl GM

1:12:58

or having this conversation. He was challenge

1:13:00

me on what is talent as an evalu

1:13:02

where you're looking at a talent talent of an offensive guard,

1:13:05

town as a receiver, talents are running back talent,

1:13:07

as an NBA player, a baseball player, lacrosse

1:13:09

player, soccer player. Well, talent encompasses

1:13:12

all the different traits that

1:13:14

that athlete has. And I said, what if

1:13:16

we called it armed talent? And

1:13:19

by using the term arm talent, it's saying

1:13:21

he has a lot of different talents

1:13:23

within his arm. He can change the temple

1:13:26

on the ball. He can use touch, he

1:13:28

can throw it deep, he can anticipate, he

1:13:30

can change arm angles. And if we

1:13:32

start using a term in evaluation circles

1:13:35

of armed talent, then hopefully people are smart

1:13:37

enough to differentiate between

1:13:40

strength power right.

1:13:42

I love Mangini's the example of the hammer

1:13:45

right, or an encompassing

1:13:48

talent that really shows that,

1:13:50

Wow, this guy can do a lot of things throwing

1:13:52

the football. That's what arm talent

1:13:55

was intended to be. It's

1:13:57

just been hijacked by lazy analysts

1:13:59

that want to use a fit instays

1:14:01

saying armed strength, they say armed talent when

1:14:03

that was never the intent. You played in Tampa

1:14:06

Bay, and I love asking people who

1:14:08

have played in Tampa Bay. Yesterday I asked Brandon

1:14:10

Marshall about jet stuff because he's played there. I

1:14:13

always thought New England's

1:14:15

culture was academic and intense.

1:14:18

I've always thought Tampa's talent was loose,

1:14:20

too loose for my taste, not

1:14:23

as urgent, not as intent, and not as

1:14:25

serious. I don't worry about Brady

1:14:27

completing passes. I wonder how

1:14:30

his intensity will fit

1:14:32

into the more relaxed Tampa I mean, you and I

1:14:34

were both there, into the more laws

1:14:36

affair, relaxed culture of Tampa.

1:14:39

Do you think it fits well?

1:14:41

I agree with you. That is typically the Tampa

1:14:44

proper mentality.

1:14:47

I think two things on this topic. One, you

1:14:49

don't have a choice when Tom Bray's your quarterback.

1:14:52

The edge of uncomfortable is where you find greatness.

1:14:54

He's gonna make everybody uncomfortable and because

1:14:57

of that, they're gonna find their greatness. Is gonna be growing

1:14:59

pains in that there's any pushback in that

1:15:01

they're not going to agree with his ways all the time.

1:15:04

But guess what, you don't have a choice. You

1:15:06

gotta jump on and follow him because

1:15:08

he will drag you to a championship. I

1:15:11

do think there's another element, though, and you know this about

1:15:13

Tampa. There's another whole nother part about

1:15:15

Tampa, and that's the East Coast migration. There

1:15:18

are a lot of hard edge, high achieving,

1:15:21

academic intens people that

1:15:23

spend a lot of time in Tampa, but aren't

1:15:25

Buck fans. I think now

1:15:28

they will. They will gravitate

1:15:30

to the Buck new mentality. They will gravitate

1:15:32

to Tom Brady and his intensity, and they'll

1:15:34

have a reason to be bucking yours fans

1:15:37

because he relates more to their

1:15:40

hard edge mentality from these coasts.

1:15:42

Yeah, you know, yesterday

1:15:44

Brandon Marshall said, it's an interesting use

1:15:47

of words. He said, the

1:15:49

Packers have wasted Aaron

1:15:51

Rodgers career, and to that, I would say winning

1:15:55

super Bowls there's no rhyme or reason. Dan Marino

1:15:57

and Dan Fountain, Jim Kelly were great with great

1:16:00

they didn't win it. I mean, who

1:16:02

can explain it? You know? I like Eli. I

1:16:04

don't know if he's two super Bowls great Eli, but he

1:16:06

want him. Well, what do you make of the

1:16:10

word Aaron Rodgers' career in Green

1:16:12

Bay has been wasted? I

1:16:15

think it's a little strong. I think you can

1:16:17

use not maximized instead

1:16:20

of wasted. I think you have a generational

1:16:23

talent. Aaron Rodgers one of

1:16:25

the top five most talented guys ever played

1:16:27

the position a very good leader

1:16:29

to an intense guy, a hard worker, a tough

1:16:32

guy. You know, has all these tangibles, and

1:16:34

they never supported him with one other defining

1:16:36

trait with the

1:16:38

team, so they kind of put too much on him.

1:16:41

I would argue the one common nominator in

1:16:43

all these multi, multiple super

1:16:46

Bowl winning quarterbacks is supported

1:16:48

by a great defense or a great

1:16:51

defensive coaches coaching mind. Yeah,

1:16:54

I still believe defenses win championships

1:16:56

and multiple championships. Yes, the

1:16:59

game is changing, Yes you need to invest more

1:17:01

on offense, but not arguing that side

1:17:03

of it. But if you go back down that list

1:17:05

that you went through earlier, the common denominator,

1:17:08

there's support. Those quarterbacks were

1:17:10

supported by great defenses or a

1:17:12

great defensive mind. People never

1:17:14

give the great forty nine ers teams enough

1:17:16

credit for the defensive football they played. I

1:17:19

grew up in the Bay Area. Joe Montana's epic

1:17:21

He's amazing, so as Roger Craigs,

1:17:23

though as Jerry Rice, Dwight Clark, Brent Jones.

1:17:26

However, those defenses

1:17:29

were snuff at Kating and it gave the

1:17:31

ball back to Joe. Terry Bradshaw

1:17:33

gave the ball back to Terry, Tom Brady. Belichick's

1:17:36

deefis gave the ball back to Tom Brady.

1:17:38

Troy Aikman's defenses in Dallas gave

1:17:41

the ball back to Troy Aikman. So I

1:17:43

would say the big whiff in Green Bay

1:17:45

was they didn't have the foresight to invest a lot

1:17:47

of money into their defense.

1:17:50

I think they made some Matt Hire some defensive coaching

1:17:53

defenseive coordinator coaching positions. They

1:17:55

should have supported air and better with the better defense.

1:17:57

I don't believe in purity and pro sport. It's

1:18:00

about talent. Not everybody's going to have my values.

1:18:02

I totally get it. I just don't want them

1:18:05

to be disruptive. But I'd roll the dice on some

1:18:07

people. Antonio Brown, Seahawks

1:18:09

ravens Or mentioned your thoughts. Two

1:18:14

of the great culture coaches in

1:18:17

football. Two guys I respect as much as

1:18:19

anybody that create a culture where you can be yourself

1:18:21

in the locker room. Their

1:18:24

players love them. They create

1:18:26

competitive environments. You're free to be. Like

1:18:28

I said, you're free to be who you are because

1:18:31

of those teams thrive, yere and and you're

1:18:33

out. They can take on some risk

1:18:35

unlike other teams with bad culture. However,

1:18:39

I know how talented Antonio Brown is,

1:18:41

I know what a difference to maker he is. But at the end of

1:18:43

the day, it is not about willias and jokes.

1:18:46

It is about the holistic development

1:18:49

of your organization from

1:18:51

owner all the way down. And

1:18:53

when you bring in that type of alpha personality

1:18:56

with that type of baggage with his

1:18:59

other issues is just with the league alone. I

1:19:01

don't even know if Pete and Don could

1:19:04

absorb that type of risk. I

1:19:06

don't know. It's it's it's really, to be

1:19:08

honest with you, it's the only NFL narrative I'm

1:19:10

following right now. I get all my NFL from

1:19:12

you. Um, this is really the narrative

1:19:15

that I'm paying attention to because it's fascinating

1:19:17

to me. If a team is

1:19:19

we're willing to take on this type

1:19:21

of risk. If you ran the Jets, would you trade Jamal Adams

1:19:24

or keeping? What would you do? I

1:19:28

pay him. I think he's a fantastic player

1:19:31

if he's willing to stay there with a new contract.

1:19:33

Um. I actually like his personality.

1:19:36

I like the edgy grates in the locker room. I

1:19:38

would do everything I could have to keep him. Yeah,

1:19:42

and I think you're probably right. I said the other day, I

1:19:44

have a new rule. If I draft

1:19:46

you and you're the best player

1:19:49

in the league within two years, I'll pay

1:19:51

it early. Yep. That's

1:19:53

kind of my overpay

1:19:56

him, yeah, because that's the whole game. Guy.

1:20:00

You can overpay a guy like that and

1:20:03

then have the less impactful

1:20:06

negotiation issues with you

1:20:08

know, B plus players but don't

1:20:10

have them with your eight plus players. Good

1:20:13

talking to you, have a nice summer. You're

1:20:16

the best man. Yeah, fifteen years,

1:20:18

Pro Bowlsoverer Bowl, Trent Dilfer. That's

1:20:20

a good way to say it. Don't have don't

1:20:22

have contentious negotiations with your best

1:20:24

players. If you got to get contentious with a right guard,

1:20:28

get contentious, but don't don't take

1:20:30

care of yours. You know. That's what Jimmy Johnson used overs

1:20:32

always say what was I treat

1:20:34

them? What was? Jimmy Johnson said, I treat

1:20:37

all my players the same, except differently, Like, yeah,

1:20:39

I treat them all the same, different, like

1:20:42

Troy Quin's different than the right guard.

1:20:45

I just don't want to understand the value of drafting

1:20:48

someone and then then they get good and then you don't want

1:20:50

them. There no Jimmy Johnson saying, was I treat

1:20:52

them all fair? I don't treat them the same. Yeah,

1:20:56

like Gooley gives me hockey scores. Some days

1:20:58

I'm in a bad mood and I let have it. Where'd

1:21:03

two we go? Did he disappear into the ether?

1:21:05

Where I haven't seen two in? Oh,

1:21:08

you're in the is in my ear? Here, you're in the control

1:21:11

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has played nineteen years in the NBA.

1:22:09

He grew up in the Pacific Northwest, an

1:22:11

underrated high school basketball area.

1:22:15

Three times six Man of the Year, he

1:22:17

was a top ten draft pick years ago. Now

1:22:19

he's not playing now, but he's

1:22:21

been a score and a shot maker.

1:22:23

His entire career. So as players

1:22:26

select the opt out option, don't

1:22:29

be shocked if he gets a call in Jamal Crawford

1:22:31

is joining us comfortably via

1:22:33

the Coward Global Satellite Network. You

1:22:36

know, the virus is

1:22:39

obviously Jamal real players.

1:22:42

Can you know summer having babies? Some Avery

1:22:45

Bradley's son has a respiratory concern. Do

1:22:49

you think it's possible there would anybody

1:22:52

would harbor resentment on a player that

1:22:54

would back out of playing in Orlando.

1:22:57

It's possible, but I'm not sure that

1:23:00

you can hold it against a person. You know, each

1:23:02

person's has to make an individual decision.

1:23:05

Obviously, there's no playbook that we seem

1:23:07

to go through something like this. So a guy

1:23:09

like Avery Bradley without teammates

1:23:12

knowing the whole situation that when they first

1:23:14

heard about it, they may say it, okay, why is he not coming?

1:23:16

We're fighting for a championship, but not

1:23:18

knowing that he's dealing with family issues or could potentially

1:23:20

do with family issue. So there'll be guys with situations

1:23:23

like that that you just can't hold against them. And like

1:23:25

I said, you want to show solidarity, but in this

1:23:28

situation, you have to make a decision

1:23:30

based on you and your family and your

1:23:32

well being. In my life,

1:23:35

NBA playoffs have overwhelmingly

1:23:38

favored veteran players. Veteran

1:23:40

players can manipulate refts, they can manipulate

1:23:42

series. They know when to turn it on turn it off.

1:23:45

It becomes a very intellectual game.

1:23:47

It's about kind of manipulating and massaging

1:23:50

the sport as you get into the postseason and

1:23:52

knowing when to really what moments

1:23:55

matter more. And that's why I think the NBA's

1:23:57

always rewarded kind of the men of

1:24:00

the NBA as we get later in the season.

1:24:02

But this is different, and some of

1:24:05

those older bones may need more time.

1:24:07

You know. I look at myself and I look at Zion

1:24:10

and the Pelicans, and I'm like, I don't know if i'd want

1:24:12

to face them in the first round. There's a lot I don't

1:24:14

know about Zion. Could this be

1:24:16

the weird year that a

1:24:18

Pelican team with a bunch of new

1:24:20

parts, young guys, tons

1:24:23

of energy, ready to go pops

1:24:26

in the playoffs. It could

1:24:28

definitely be that year. You know, that'd be exciting for

1:24:30

everybody to watch. But like you say, on

1:24:32

the flip side of that, veteran players and guys who

1:24:34

have been around know how to prepare and obviously

1:24:37

there's nothing like playing basketball and doing

1:24:39

five on five things, but guys know how

1:24:41

to take care of their bodies. They know when they're in tune with their

1:24:43

bodies and where they need to be at a certain time. So

1:24:45

I'm sure they've been ramping it up as they've gotten word

1:24:48

that you know, this is really going to happen. And on

1:24:50

the other side, like you said, at the young guys or it's come with

1:24:52

a lot of energy, you know, and they know that's one of their gifts

1:24:54

in this situation to have as much energy as possible,

1:24:57

continue to really push the pace and try to get

1:24:59

easy ba ascus and gay out and run as much as possible.

1:25:01

So it'll be interesting, dynamic, and if

1:25:03

I'm not there, I'm gonna enjoy watching

1:25:06

it. So Joy and I have said, I've

1:25:08

seen baseball games with no fans

1:25:10

it's called spring training. And I've

1:25:12

watched football games with no fans. I've

1:25:14

watched spring college football games,

1:25:17

but I've never seen basketball with no

1:25:19

fans. And there is a stylistic

1:25:22

element to NBA basketball that I love.

1:25:24

It's a little bit of showtime. It's you

1:25:26

know, Rucker Park in New York. It's

1:25:28

always had a stylistic component

1:25:31

to the game that I love. There's a little bit of art

1:25:33

to basketball. Well, there's gonna

1:25:35

be no fans, it's gonna feel hollow,

1:25:37

like what am I gonna watch

1:25:39

here? Do you think the game becomes a little more one on one,

1:25:42

a little more trash talky with nobody

1:25:44

in the stands? Yeah, it definitely

1:25:46

goes back to the playground, right, It's like the summer

1:25:48

when it's just you guys in the gym that it's probably kicks

1:25:51

in. You feel like it's a more level playing field.

1:25:53

So you're not playing on the road or you're not playing at home.

1:25:56

You know, you don't have that kind of safety net.

1:25:58

You just have to go for it and have pride and

1:26:00

understand the bigger picture what you're shooting for. But

1:26:02

I think you'll definitely see more engagement

1:26:05

as far as trash talking and kind of guys

1:26:07

going at each other because you have to kind

1:26:09

of muster up your own energy as well, you know, and

1:26:11

that's when the pribbe really kicks in. It's gonna

1:26:13

be an interesting dynamic, but like I said, it should be a lot

1:26:16

of fun to watch. I think we'll see some

1:26:18

things we weren't even thinking about generally

1:26:20

in the NBA regular season. Jamal

1:26:23

Crawford joining us, it's kind of understood

1:26:25

that you got to get to about late January,

1:26:28

right before the trading deadline, and all the chemistry

1:26:30

sort of kicks in. Well, you

1:26:33

don't have a lot of time now, like we got eight games that

1:26:35

we're going to the playoffs? Could

1:26:38

it be clunky basketball? Is there a team or

1:26:40

two you look at and think, you know what, they'll

1:26:42

be able to flip a switch, They'll be able

1:26:44

to make it work, because I've never we've

1:26:46

never seen anything like this. Four months off

1:26:49

and then you zero to sixty go. Who

1:26:52

does that benefit? Oh?

1:26:54

I think it benefits a team like the Lakers have

1:26:56

EVET players. I think it benefits a team

1:26:59

like the Clippers because maybe a couple of their guys, a couple

1:27:01

of their key guys, were a little bit banged up. Now

1:27:03

they've had a chance to rest and get healthy. And when

1:27:05

you take time off like that, you know you're ready

1:27:08

to go. You're really charged up. You're ready to get

1:27:10

out there and get back to your comfort

1:27:12

zone. And playing in that competitive nature kicks in. So

1:27:15

I think it really benefits those guys. The young

1:27:17

guys have been working, like we said,

1:27:20

and they know what they're playing for, shot to get to the

1:27:22

playoffs, a team like the Pelicans. So

1:27:24

it'll be very, very fun and you'll see some

1:27:26

stuff that may shock you in some ways.

1:27:29

So let's talk about this. So I

1:27:32

could look at it two ways. I could say, because

1:27:34

of the pandemic, players have never been

1:27:36

around their family and kids more. I

1:27:38

mean, they've been with them for four months. So the

1:27:40

first ten to fifteen days they've probably

1:27:42

get a break going to Orlando and they'll be concerts

1:27:45

and the food's great. And then there's part

1:27:47

of me that thinks, okay, they've gone from isolation

1:27:49

to another isolation platform. So

1:27:52

do you let me just ask you, how do you think

1:27:54

you all the years in the NBA,

1:27:56

you're used to the travel, you're used to be in those

1:27:58

hotel rooms by yourself. Will it wear

1:28:01

down players with the isolation

1:28:03

in the bubble? How does it work? Yeah?

1:28:06

I've seen they had, you know, Barber's come in in

1:28:08

different entertainment values. But you

1:28:10

know, I think mentally you have to make that transition

1:28:13

and change before you actually go there. Right, you

1:28:15

have to know, Okay, I'm really about to be in isolation.

1:28:17

I'm really about to lock in on Netflix or whatever

1:28:19

it is. I'm really about to get lost in my team, and

1:28:22

I'm really going to sacrifice and stay mentally locked

1:28:24

in for these next two to three months. And that's

1:28:26

what you have to make the change at it. If you mentally

1:28:28

lock in before you go there, no matter how

1:28:30

hard it is, you understand the goal, you're shooting

1:28:32

for it and it's worth the sacrifice. So yeah,

1:28:35

I think the mental change in transition will

1:28:37

happen before they actually step foot there. So

1:28:39

you've played almost twenty years in the NBA,

1:28:41

and I want to talk about how the league

1:28:43

has changed. So when you entered

1:28:46

the league, college basketball was kind

1:28:48

of like the platform that sent your

1:28:50

players. Now they come internationally, Now they

1:28:52

come from G league. The game

1:28:54

is now more tailored to you. You probably

1:28:56

wish you would have entered the league now with more three pointers.

1:28:59

It's it's a get up and down the floor, shoot space

1:29:01

league. Do you I would

1:29:04

think you like the new NBA,

1:29:06

but it's kind of centerless. What

1:29:09

do you make of the cultural changes to your

1:29:11

sport and the sport in general going forward?

1:29:14

I like the changes. I think you have to adapt,

1:29:17

you have to continue to move things forward. I think it's fun

1:29:19

to watch obviously, you know, who

1:29:21

doesn't want to shoot a lot of three pointers and get up and down

1:29:23

the court. But I also think there is a place for

1:29:25

the center, you know. And I think you see the slowdown game

1:29:27

as the playoffs coming to play,

1:29:29

and that's where teams and people really start watching

1:29:32

even a lot more. It's because it's more of a grinded

1:29:34

out in possessions to mean more. You know, it's

1:29:36

not so free flowing. It's it's about heart

1:29:38

and will and how you're going to play chess and kind of figure

1:29:40

out different situations. But like you said,

1:29:43

when our first came into the league, no matter how good

1:29:45

a shooter you were, if you took six to seven threes a

1:29:47

game, especially as a point guard, you end up on

1:29:49

the bench. Your job is to get the ball, to get

1:29:51

the ball to the wing, score a dominant score, whether

1:29:53

it be Kobe or Paul Pierson, McGrady or iverson

1:29:56

guys like that, or get the ball in the shack Duncan

1:29:58

or Garnette, you know. So it's just a different game. So

1:30:00

it's definitely Taylor made towards the guards, and

1:30:03

it's fun. It's a fun time to go and I'm

1:30:06

training my son the same way. We're shooting a lot of three

1:30:08

pointers, we're getting to the basket, we're shooting

1:30:10

everything in between. So it's a fun way to

1:30:12

play. I think kids enjoy it, you know. I think it's based

1:30:14

on skill. Now it's just a younger league.

1:30:16

When I was coming into the league, if you were

1:30:18

in school for a year, you were looked at his you know, a

1:30:20

project or having potential. Now the

1:30:23

NBA kind of clamors for guys have only been there a year.

1:30:25

They're like they can get with the best players in the world, the

1:30:27

best systems, and get better here against the best players

1:30:29

instead of staying four years. You know how

1:30:32

much you're going to improve in their mind if you stay four

1:30:34

years already. So it's interesting to watch

1:30:36

the shift, but it's been fun. You know.

1:30:38

One of the things I worry about, and I've said

1:30:40

this, I worry about

1:30:43

a player going from like a high school to

1:30:45

the pros because of the emotional issues.

1:30:47

You can't go to a bar, you can't go to a club,

1:30:50

and there's isolation. You were

1:30:52

a three times six Man of the Year award,

1:30:55

clearly good enough to start for a majority

1:30:57

of NBAA teams. So I could argue

1:31:00

not only your skill, but your maturity

1:31:02

and your coachability and your flexibility

1:31:05

kept you in the league for a lot of years. You weren't

1:31:07

somebody I mean you would just say I'm going to accept

1:31:10

my role off the bench, and I'm gonna be the best bench player in the

1:31:12

league. Go back to nineteen

1:31:14

years. Were there are players that you

1:31:16

watched Because I do look at young guys coming

1:31:18

to the league and think, man, we don't spend enough time

1:31:20

emotionally with these guys coaches.

1:31:23

If a guy's not if a guy didn't hit by year three,

1:31:25

a coach just bails on him and wait for the next

1:31:27

draft pick. Go back to your career.

1:31:30

Do you think your maturity is why you lasted

1:31:32

two decades? Did you see players with more

1:31:35

talent than perhaps you that didn't work because

1:31:37

they weren't emotionally ready for this

1:31:40

league. Absolutely, and you have

1:31:42

to have a certain level of maturity. You have to have good

1:31:44

vets. I think vets are so underrated, and not just in

1:31:46

sports. I think even in your job,

1:31:48

you know who better learn from than

1:31:50

you or and the people that have done it for so long. For a young

1:31:53

up and comer coming up, you know, to tell them,

1:31:55

hey, do this, don't do that, and stay away from this,

1:31:57

and you should do this more. Those things vets

1:31:59

were instrumental in my career, you know. And it's about

1:32:02

getting out of yourself. And that's how I kind of come came

1:32:05

to coming off the bench. For me, I'd never come

1:32:07

off the bench before in my life, but I was tired

1:32:09

of being known as a good score on bad teams. Here I am

1:32:11

halfway in my career. And when you do

1:32:13

that, you sacrifice that. You sacrifice starting roles,

1:32:15

you sacrifice a chance to make the All Star team. Obviously,

1:32:18

if you make All Star teams, you make more money, you know.

1:32:20

But I wasn't worried about any of that. I was like, what's

1:32:22

best for my team. I want to be known as a winner,

1:32:25

and I think this is the best way for me to come off the bench,

1:32:27

you know. I try to embrace that role. And you can't

1:32:29

have an ego, you know, you have to really

1:32:32

stay in love with the game. You have to continue to learn,

1:32:34

you have to continue to mature, and I think you'll

1:32:36

have a long career, and I think those things are instrumental.

1:32:39

Is your son a point guarding He's

1:32:41

a comvo guards. He's kind of tall right now

1:32:43

for his age, so he plays both. He plays

1:32:46

point in shooting guard. How old is he He's

1:32:48

ten. He just turns ten. So when will

1:32:50

he beat you? Oh no,

1:32:53

no, no, no, no, that's not happening. I have an older

1:32:55

son who I have an older son

1:32:57

who plays college basketball. He plays

1:33:00

too, and he we've been playing all summer and

1:33:02

he's yet to beat me. So I'm

1:33:04

still sharp, even though you haven't seen me on the NBA cord,

1:33:06

I'm still sharp. I'm ready to go. Okay, Yeah,

1:33:08

Jamal, absolute pleasure man.

1:33:11

You've aged well. He's a smart guy. A

1:33:13

credit to the game. I just love having you on the show. You're

1:33:15

always welcome anytime you want to come on. Please call

1:33:17

my producer, my man whenever you want

1:33:20

me. I appreciate it. Thank you, all right, Jamal Crawford

1:33:22

just a total credit to the NBA. Like

1:33:24

every that guy's one of those guys works on every

1:33:26

roster, shoot score, coach, smart,

1:33:29

sacrifice, that's what it's all about. Team Sports.

1:33:32

Joy Taylor of the News, No, No turn

1:33:35

on the news This is the Herd

1:33:38

Line News Sir Roger Goodella said

1:33:40

the NFL was wrong for not in listening to

1:33:42

the player's message when they began kneeling in two

1:33:44

thousand and sixteen and encouraged teams to give

1:33:46

Colin Kaepernick another chance, but Lebron

1:33:48

James thinks Kaepernick still deserves

1:33:50

a direct apology from the league. As

1:33:53

far as the NFL, I'm not in those

1:33:56

locker rooms. I'm not with those guys,

1:33:58

but I do understand that

1:34:00

an apology. I have not heard

1:34:02

a true official apology to Colin

1:34:05

Kaepernick on what he was going through

1:34:07

and what he was trying to tell the NFL and

1:34:09

tell the world about why he was kneeling

1:34:12

when he was doing that as a San Francisco

1:34:14

forty nine er. So I

1:34:17

just see that to be still be wrong. And

1:34:20

now they are listening some, but I still think

1:34:23

we have not heard that official apology

1:34:25

to a man who basically sacrificed

1:34:27

everything for the better the's world.

1:34:30

Quite good one, I

1:34:32

mean I think that he should. It's kind

1:34:35

of hard to say that you're embracing everything that's

1:34:37

happening and then at the same time

1:34:40

be kind of like vaguely speaking

1:34:42

about the person who not

1:34:45

only started it but also sacrifice

1:34:48

the most because of

1:34:50

the message. Like, obviously there were a lot of guys

1:34:53

that kneeled, and most of those

1:34:55

guys are still in the NFL. Obviously

1:34:57

Kaepernick is a quarterback. It's a different situation.

1:35:00

I understand all that. But we all know Kaepernick

1:35:02

is not in the league because he chose

1:35:04

to do that. But now in

1:35:06

the space that we are in now, the conversations that we're

1:35:09

having, now, if you say that you support

1:35:11

black lives matter, that you understand what Kaepernick's

1:35:13

message does, now that you know it's not about the flag,

1:35:16

it's kind of it's kind of hard

1:35:18

to say all yeah and then not

1:35:20

say yeah, Like, Kaepernick was right and he

1:35:22

deserves an apology for the way that he was treated

1:35:25

by the league. I mean,

1:35:27

obviously got very contentious at one point.

1:35:29

But here we are, like we're having that

1:35:31

conversation now, he was right, He was doing the right

1:35:33

thing. Whether like you feel like you shouldn't

1:35:35

protest at work. It was the platform that

1:35:38

he had and he chose to use it. I feel

1:35:40

like that he should get an apology as well. I understand where

1:35:42

Lebron is coming from also like he sacrificed

1:35:45

three and a half years of the prime of

1:35:47

his career. Whatever you think that Kaepernick was.

1:35:49

If he comes into the league now, he is going to have

1:35:52

suffered from not being in a league for the past

1:35:54

couple of years, even as a backup competition

1:35:58

and practices, going through training camp, being

1:36:00

in meeting rooms like he's he's not been

1:36:02

able to do that. Now he has been working out, but as

1:36:04

we know, keep talking about this right now, dealing with a

1:36:06

pandemic, there's a difference between you

1:36:09

know, making sure that you're in good shape

1:36:11

and throwing to some receivers and also being

1:36:13

in training camp and being on the sidelines or

1:36:16

getting in the game as a backup quarterback.

1:36:18

So I think he's going to get an opportunity this year, and

1:36:21

I think that he should. But I also think it's time

1:36:23

to just directly say it, not dance around

1:36:26

it. So Dwayne Haskins has a lot to prove

1:36:28

going into his second year in the NFL. Washington's

1:36:30

senior VP of player Development, Zug Williams,

1:36:33

has a lot of faith in the young quarterback and some

1:36:35

high praise for his talent. Okay,

1:36:38

who came out this year, lads ship.

1:36:40

There's not a quarterback that come out in the last

1:36:42

two years that has a dealing

1:36:45

it. From my um strength standpoint, m

1:36:47

talent that Dwayne asking add

1:36:50

Dwayne can throw with the rest of them, not mentally.

1:36:53

He has to control the other point. And I

1:36:55

think he has aligned himself

1:36:58

and realize that's what he has to do. And

1:37:00

I think that's what he's doing. I think at the end

1:37:02

of the day, give him the opportunity to

1:37:04

do what everybody else do and that is to

1:37:07

improve of one his day. Yeah,

1:37:10

we'll see. So I did a list today. Everyone's

1:37:13

very mad at you. Patrick. Mahomes

1:37:16

is trending on Twitter. Why and the break I

1:37:18

like to check and like, you know, see if any you know those

1:37:20

updates on anything, it's trending because I

1:37:23

saw that Mahomes was trending to get like, oh Mahomes news,

1:37:25

Like that's that's fun. Oh Nope, it's

1:37:27

just everyone trying to figure out why Mahomes

1:37:29

is not in your top five lists of top five

1:37:31

arm talents. Either is Carson Wentz

1:37:33

and you know I love both Wentz, not

1:37:36

Wentz is not trending. So

1:37:38

the point was I didn't like the term

1:37:41

arm talent. That's why I brought two guests on to

1:37:43

talk about it. No, I agree with you. I think the

1:37:45

idea of arm strength and who's

1:37:47

got a crown and he could throw it over the mountains

1:37:50

is like, okay, I was awesome.

1:37:52

You can throw the length of the football field. Is it going to land in

1:37:54

a receiver's hands in a catchable position that leads

1:37:56

him away from And I said,

1:37:58

five guys that told him most catchable ball.

1:38:01

Now our staff put top five armed

1:38:03

talents, and I told him during the break, I said,

1:38:05

people are gonna they're not gonna understand that

1:38:07

phrase. These are the top five

1:38:10

most catchable balls in the league. The

1:38:12

balls instride, the ball as soft,

1:38:15

it's a tight spiral. Russell Wilson,

1:38:17

Brady Breeze, Kyler Golf. I'm not saying

1:38:20

my arm talents is a condensed version

1:38:22

of what you're saying yet. But but Mahomes

1:38:24

is, I said, the most talented quarterback

1:38:28

in the league. So that's why I hated when

1:38:30

my staff put that. I'm like, no, it's going to confuse the audience

1:38:32

of the audience. Just sports we have on often,

1:38:35

Yeah, asked, did did Pat Mahomes

1:38:38

retire? So

1:38:40

I just knew this was trending on Twitter.

1:38:43

People are upset at you. Yeah, finally.

1:38:45

Liverpool became this season's Premier League

1:38:47

champions Thursday night, after Chelsea

1:38:49

beat Manchester City two to one. Even

1:38:52

with seven games or remaining, man City is

1:38:54

too far behind in points to catch. Liverpool

1:38:56

champs dominated the entire season and they have led

1:38:59

in the standings since the second week. This is

1:39:01

the team's first title in thirty years.

1:39:03

It was huge yesterday and the first ever in

1:39:05

the Premier League. Excited

1:39:07

to this is not the nineteenth title in Liverpool's

1:39:10

history and they had hast

1:39:13

They've lost just once and drawn twice this season. They

1:39:15

have a goal difference of plus forty seven.

1:39:17

All over there, it's Chelsea and it's Many

1:39:20

Manchester United and Liverpool's

1:39:22

always it's a little bit under and

1:39:24

then all of a sudden pow. Liverpool's

1:39:26

gotten very trendy in America over the last

1:39:28

five years. It has a lot of media people

1:39:30

like Liverpool. Well. MLS is

1:39:32

returning on July eighth, so we will get our soccer

1:39:35

back in just about a week,

1:39:37

two weeks. I'm looking forward to good

1:39:41

stuff. Joey Taylor with the News Well

1:39:43

that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.

1:39:46

I don't mind getting crushed on the internet. I'm

1:39:48

not going to be on the internet today because I already have

1:39:50

a big party tonight. Excuse

1:39:52

me. Yeah, so, but it's I knew

1:39:55

when we put up armed talent. That's why I brought

1:39:57

Dilfer and Manginie on and but they both agreed

1:39:59

with me that this arm talent thing is

1:40:01

just not who can throw the ball farther or from

1:40:04

a weird angle? It's can you do touch? Do

1:40:06

you throw a nice deep ball? Are you are you good in the

1:40:08

flat seam route? Do you lead your

1:40:10

receiver like I think Big Ben has a great

1:40:13

arm and Cam has a great arm, but

1:40:15

man, they can be wildly inconsistent

1:40:18

leading. I think Jay Cutler had a great arm. He

1:40:20

threw a hard ball. Kaepernick

1:40:22

had no curveball. Kaepernick was like heat.

1:40:25

He was just like a fastball guy. But you knew

1:40:27

people were gonna be mad at you this before we even

1:40:29

did that. Second. If Patrick Mahomes comes

1:40:31

on and yells at me, I'm good with it. You

1:40:34

know I've said before, the two best quarterbacks

1:40:36

in the league today, right, Mahomes Russell Wilson.

1:40:39

That's the two best quarterbacks. The rest of you can argue

1:40:41

about everybody else. Let's just go with those two. That's

1:40:43

it, all right. I

1:40:46

don't care if I trend. I I really don't.

1:40:48

I'm not into the hole. You know. It's amazing what

1:40:50

trends. Sometimes you'll you'll go online.

1:40:53

I'll turn because I don't sit on the phone much, like

1:40:55

hour a day. That's it. Like most people

1:40:57

are on seven eight hours. And whenever I go, I turn

1:40:59

it on. In the trend ending, it's the silliest

1:41:01

stuff that's trending. It can

1:41:03

be like somebody and then if somebody

1:41:06

trends, they always put that Denzel Washington picture

1:41:08

up, like so I hope

1:41:10

he didn't die. It's like, I

1:41:12

mean, it's the same stuff. I love how you consume

1:41:15

the Internet. It's amazing. I

1:41:17

think this is a good thing. This will give somebody, you

1:41:19

know, something to discuss some sports today. It's like

1:41:21

a gift. You're welcome. Jason

1:41:24

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app. So my staff just got me in all

1:41:42

sorts of trouble. It's actually funny. So I'm trending

1:41:45

in America number one now and Holmes is

1:41:47

the number one trending topic in America

1:41:49

right now. So I told my staff, I said, put top

1:41:51

five the most catchable balls

1:41:54

in the NFL, and they just put arm talent.