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I was saying to Jmac during the commercial. Generally

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with march madness, I might prefer the

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first weekend, but I think the talent

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pool has been so diluted over the last ten

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years. I find myself looking

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forward to the second weekend because there's actually

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NBA players in that. And

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I mean, I think when you watch the

0:53

games, it's pretty clear that you com Purdue,

0:56

North Carolina, I think San

0:58

Diego State, Arizona. I want to you

1:00

know, there's a handful of teams I watch and I

1:03

go, okay, there's some NBA bodies there.

1:04

It works for me.

1:05

So the Gonzaga game against

1:08

it's Purdue, right, Gonzaga, Perdue. It's in

1:10

Detroit, so that means

1:12

Purdue is going to have a huge contingent

1:14

there. It's fascinating because Edie

1:17

Gonzaga's got it by Gonzaga

1:19

standards. It's a different team. Watson's

1:22

good, but it's just a bunch of different guys, misfits.

1:25

It just kind of works. It's well coached,

1:27

but it's not your typical kind of Gonzaga

1:30

looking stylistic team. Purdue's

1:32

got one dominant player. They're very structured,

1:35

they come down, they call a set play. They're very

1:37

good at those set plays. But I think Gonzaga

1:39

wants to get them out of their comfort zone. Push the

1:41

ball, trap, move them a little bit. That

1:44

could be an exceptional college

1:46

basketball game.

1:47

They played in Maui earlier this year. Perdue got

1:49

the win.

1:50

I think they have a big edge here. I'm

1:52

just saying, I know people, maybe college basketball

1:54

who cares. The Sweet sixteen games are

1:57

very very good, very good.

1:59

Sitting around next weekend, yeah all

2:01

right, all I'm doing is watching college

2:03

hoops all weekend Thursday, Friday, right is Saturday.

2:06

You're a flight somewhere.

2:07

No, no, no, no, I am this. I know I

2:10

am totally locked in my perceptive

2:13

vision can.

2:13

Even probably toss back two or three.

2:14

Drake may get a boot no, no clear

2:16

eyed, no boozy.

2:21

Okay. We predict them and sometimes

2:23

we're wrong. It's called Colin right, Colin

2:25

wrong. We do it every Monday at this time, and here

2:27

we go where Colin was right. Well,

2:29

Mike Tomlin clarified it. Finally,

2:32

this whole idea that Russell Wilson and

2:34

Justin Fields are going to compete for the starting

2:37

job is nonsense. Give me a

2:39

break. One's figuring out how to play quarterback.

2:42

One is a refined super Bowl appearing

2:44

two time quarterback. Here's Tomlin

2:46

on his two guys at quarterback, his.

2:49

Experience in the

2:51

National Football League, His process

2:53

has been honed and perfected. Russell

2:56

has those resources, man, that structure,

2:59

and so that's why I he has pole position.

3:01

Man.

3:01

It just creates a synergy that I

3:03

think is good for this time of year.

3:05

Pole position will be and

3:08

should be. Russell Wilson.

3:10

He may not be what he was seven years ago,

3:13

but he can still win you a lot of games

3:15

in this league and in the AFC. You

3:17

can't go with a quarterback trying

3:20

to figure out how to play the position

3:23

that doesn't work in that division.

3:25

Where Colin was wrong, I went

3:27

to the.

3:27

Bulls Celtics game with a notepad. I can

3:29

acknowledge after closer inspection, Jason

3:32

Tatum is very good. Okay, I knew

3:34

that, but I will say one of the things

3:36

I've questioned about Jason Tatum is

3:39

dominating a game late. He

3:41

always gets his shot. But they didn't have Porzingis,

3:43

Jalen Brown didn't play, Drew

3:47

Holliday didn't play, and Chicago

3:50

was at home. This was a big game

3:52

for the Bulls, and Tatum finished

3:55

it off playmaking, finding

3:57

the open guy. Where Colin was

3:59

wrong. Where Colin was right, I said,

4:02

don't overthink it. The talent pool

4:04

in college basketball is thin. Duke

4:07

and Yukon are the two best teams.

4:09

Well, they're four to er after this weekend.

4:12

Yukon's winning by twenty eight a game.

4:14

Carolina is winning by twenty two a game.

4:17

Listen, there's just not many

4:20

really exceptional teams. Even

4:22

next weekend, when

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it's been cut down to a smaller number, there's

4:26

only about four teams left, maybe five,

4:28

that can win the national championship. Don't outthink

4:31

the.

4:31

Room where Colin was

4:33

raw.

4:33

Finally, the New York Jets

4:36

move off of just getting players

4:39

that made Aaron comfortable. They

4:41

went out and got offensive lineman Tyron

4:43

Smith, Morgan Moses John Sampson

4:46

from Dallas Baltimore, teams

4:48

that have had successful, winning cultures

4:51

and excellent offensive lines. They

4:53

also went and got a backup quarterback, and

4:56

they didn't ask for Aaron Rodgers' approval.

4:59

It's not anti Aaron, it's pro

5:01

winning. The Patriots

5:03

during their dynasty weren't getting an okay

5:06

on every acquisition or draft pick

5:08

from Tom. I understand if you go

5:11

and you have a wide receiver in the market

5:13

and you're like, hey, how do you think you guys match

5:15

up? But the bottom line is the Jets

5:17

moved away from making Aaron comfortable

5:20

and moved in to some older

5:22

quality players who can protect

5:24

Aaron, even if they're not buddies where

5:26

Colin was right, John Calipari,

5:29

we'll find out if he keeps his job today.

5:31

My guess he will. The Wildcats

5:34

again bounced by a small

5:36

college in the first round last year,

5:38

Saint Peter's this year, Oakland,

5:41

somewhere in Michigan. I've said with Calipari,

5:43

I bought into him initially in the one and done stuff.

5:46

I thought it was a new way to do business. But it's

5:48

all salesmanship now he never owns

5:51

it. He constantly projects it's

5:53

all about Hey, I feel bad for the kids.

5:55

Don't worry about the kids. They'll go to the NBA and

5:57

get rich. Worry about you and elevation

6:00

team. And as the culture changes

6:02

in college basketball, you've got

6:04

to adapt, Calipari

6:07

said last week. I don't know if I'm gonna change.

6:09

We are not winning in March, and the culture's

6:11

changed even Belichick. Belichick

6:13

got fired when he wouldn't adapt to a new

6:16

culture, and he wasn't winning in January.

6:19

Where Colin was raw.

6:21

My Golden State Warriors have

6:24

lost seven times

6:26

in eleven games. They've just become

6:28

too Steph Curry dependent. Klay

6:30

Thompson off the bench, is often the second best

6:33

scorer on the team. Wiggins is all over the map.

6:35

I like Kuminga, but he's not at a twenty

6:37

four point a game pace

6:39

in his career. Now they

6:42

have a problem scoring if Steph's not on fire,

6:45

and again they are

6:47

in danger of getting edged out. I

6:49

don't think it's good for the league with the Houston

6:51

Rockets, who are talented but hyper young.

6:54

And I thought this team had a perfect

6:56

mix of Chris Paul. Chris

6:58

is going to be thirty eight, really doesn't

7:00

add a lot offensively, this team

7:02

has hit a.

7:03

Wall where Colin was right.

7:05

Caleb Williams is clearly

7:07

going to be the Bears pick. The number

7:10

one pick. Keenan Allen

7:12

last week went to his pro day and wore

7:14

a Chicago Bears jersey, and

7:16

Caleb came on our show as we told

7:18

you he had his camp had told

7:21

me he's happy about going

7:23

to Chicago.

7:25

Well, that's the place I'm excited

7:27

for that the fans love football. It's one of the

7:29

you know, biggest things that I care about is a

7:32

place that cares.

7:34

And so you know, if that was the place,

7:37

I'd be.

7:37

Excited and and and you know,

7:40

get ready to go win games is what I'm

7:42

excited for.

7:44

Most importantly, he'll go

7:46

to Chicago. He is a much

7:48

better prospect than justin Fields. They

7:50

have a much better offensive situation

7:52

than Fields. Inherited, this

7:55

is the future of the Chicago Bears. Ryan

7:58

Poles, and I've had my questions about him,

8:00

has had a very good year Between

8:02

DJ Moore, Gerald Everett,

8:05

Keenan, Allen, DeAndre Swift

8:07

and rebuilding that old line GM.

8:10

Ryan Poles has had a very good twelve

8:12

months. It'll continue when

8:14

he drafts Caleb Williams.

8:16

Where Colin was raw, I.

8:18

Thought shohey, Otawni to the Dodgers

8:20

would elevate the sport, elevate the Dodgers.

8:23

He was squeaky clean, he had a great image,

8:25

and now he's in the middle of a scary gambling

8:28

situation. Now, if he didn't bet on

8:30

baseball, I think it evaporates

8:33

very quickly. There's a shadiness

8:35

to it with his interpreter, whether it's

8:37

Otawny, and again, I think

8:39

we have a gambling culture in America increasingly,

8:42

So if he didn't bet baseball, I don't think

8:44

he's in a lot of trouble. I think it goes away.

8:47

But I will acknowledge that I thought he

8:49

was the perfect Dodger, squeaky clean,

8:51

elevate the sport in a big entertainment

8:54

capital. And this is clearly a

8:56

mess for the sport. Where Colin was

8:58

right, Defensive head coaches just

9:01

don't sense the urgency at quarterback.

9:03

I know, and like Antonio Pierce, but

9:05

what I'm hearing is it's down to Gardner,

9:08

Minshew or Aiden O'Connell

9:10

at quarterback. I'm not hearing

9:13

any discussion of drafting a quarterback.

9:15

Now. That may be Tom Telesco just

9:17

trying to stay out of the news. But Gardner,

9:19

Minshew and Aidan O'Connell are fourth

9:22

place, and that offensively

9:24

would be one of the weaker teams in the league. Now,

9:26

Gardner was okay with Shane Steikin, but

9:28

most of us agree that Steichen is the next Kyle

9:31

Shanahan in terms of brain power

9:33

and wattage offensively, Please

9:35

please, please tell me the

9:37

future of the Raiders offense is

9:39

not their current quarterback situation.

9:42

Where Colin was right, the Chiefs

9:44

moved off Lugerius Snead the corner.

9:47

I said, Chris Jones is the guy you gotta

9:49

keep. I like Sneid, but

9:51

he gets penalties. He got smoked

9:53

in the Super Bowl. NFL

9:55

people that I respect are spending

9:57

money on offense, not

10:01

defense, the exception being a

10:03

great pass rusher or a great

10:05

interior defender. McDuffie

10:07

is already in house. Brett

10:10

Veach has shown an ability to draft

10:12

excellent corners in the mid rounds or later.

10:15

This is the right move by the Chiefs.

10:17

They got to keep Mahomes protected and happy,

10:20

and make sure Chris Jones, because there's no

10:22

duplication of Jones, He's sort of a one on

10:24

one guy in this league. Keep him

10:26

in house where Colin was right,

10:28

where Colin was wrong. And a Monday, and with that, Chris

10:31

Mannix ready to joust

10:34

with me is joining us on the show. Did

10:36

you hear j Mack? Last week? Mannix

10:39

was up in Boston and he and Eddie

10:41

just taking these subliminal shots

10:43

at us because we have questioned late

10:45

game efficiency by the Celtics. I

10:48

will acknowledge they were pretty good lad against

10:50

Chicago and my eyes were there set off.

10:52

I'm glad that seventy

10:54

games into a dominant

10:57

season. One trip to Chicago

10:59

to watch them and watch Jason Tatum

11:01

as you sold on this team

11:03

as a legit contender.

11:05

Well, I have said they're gonna

11:07

roll through the East. I don't have any question,

11:09

and I do think they're deeper than Denver.

11:12

I do like to go every year. I go to a couple

11:14

of games, and there is a different perception when you go to

11:16

games. My takeaway was and it's

11:18

always been with Tatum. I know he's great. I've said

11:20

all NBA got no problems late

11:23

game stuff, take it over. And Chicago's

11:26

more talented than people think. They actually have real NBA

11:28

players. They're young in spots, but they have some players.

11:31

The one thing I saw with Tatum, first guy out at

11:33

five to ten, first guy out on the floor,

11:35

both teams working hard, like

11:38

first guy by like twenty five to thirty minutes. The

11:40

second thing was in the late game situation,

11:42

he wanted the ball. He just like,

11:45

give me the ball. And there's also and I

11:47

kind of knew this, but there is a gap in this league, as

11:49

you know, outside of Steph Curry.

11:51

Think how smart the Warriors are run. They don't have another

11:53

guy that can give them twenty five points. Yeah, Tatum

11:56

is clearly in an elite class of give

11:59

me the ball, I'm always gonna

12:01

get my shot. Yeah, that was very

12:03

clear in that game. And I think with

12:05

that said, I may

12:07

be uncomfortable at times, but I

12:09

don't think Boston's uncomfortable with anything

12:12

about Tatum.

12:13

No, they're satisfied with

12:16

him being a distributor at

12:18

times in those situations because

12:21

he has the horses to

12:23

throw the ball to. I mean, Jayleen Brown has

12:25

closed the gap I think this year even more

12:28

between himself and Jason Tatum. Christas

12:30

porzingis average twenty this season.

12:32

Drew Holliday has proven he can make

12:34

big shots in big moments. If

12:36

you don't have an open look or if you don't

12:39

have the play that you want,

12:41

passing the ball is the right

12:44

play. And look, the criticism of

12:46

Boston over the last few weeks really

12:48

has boiled down to is Jason

12:50

Tatum a closer? And you know this, You

12:53

can find stats to back up

12:55

any argument. And I've seen some of Jason Tatum's

12:58

you know, the clutch time stats aren't his good some

13:00

of the top tier guys. How about the eyeball

13:02

test. How about we go with that? Like, did

13:04

I fall asleep last year during

13:07

the Conference semifinals when Jason

13:09

Tatum went off in the fourth quarter of an elimination

13:11

game in Game six? Did I miss

13:14

that Game seven against the seventy

13:16

six ers when Tatum went for what fifty

13:19

one in that game? The three games

13:21

that the Celtics won against Miami,

13:23

Jason Tatum scored like eighty five points in

13:25

those three games. And I'm convinced he would

13:27

have had a breakthrough performance in Game seven

13:30

if he didn't get hurt on the very

13:32

first play of that game. So this idea

13:34

that Jason Tatum is somehow

13:37

on another tier of clutch player

13:39

than some of the other guys we regularly talk about to

13:41

me is ridiculous.

13:42

Well, the other thing I will say about Tatum

13:44

is Luca doesn't defend. Tatum does.

13:46

Yes, he has got measurably better over

13:49

the last few years.

13:50

Yeah. So the other thing is, unlike Biggs, Tatum

13:52

doesn't get hurt much. He's there every night.

13:54

So there are a lot of things, you know. I

13:56

mean, some of this is jousting and it's fun.

13:59

But I did want to go see in person. So I saw him

14:01

in person last year, and I do. I like

14:03

to watch guys in person, see the body language. Jason's

14:05

a very confident guy. And the one thing that

14:07

really is so true when you watch

14:10

the Celtics play, there's so much culture. Golden State's

14:12

got a lot of this because it's a lot of the same guys. Boston

14:14

has this too. Al Horford is a classic

14:17

example Boston's ball movement,

14:19

Chicago's young Andrea Drummond's not young,

14:22

Dure. There's a lot of young guys. They're perpetually

14:24

rebuilding. When you watch Boston

14:26

in crisis moments, end of

14:28

the clock, and of the game, their

14:31

ball movement, you can tell these guys have been in a

14:33

lot of practices together. And Derek

14:35

White a lot of guys that don't get pub

14:38

So I just thought it was interesting to me watching

14:40

without three starters, and yet the backup

14:42

guys, it's like they practice with the ones

14:44

all day. Their ball movement I thought was exceptional.

14:46

Well yeah, and this is the paradox of you right

14:48

here, where part of you wats

14:51

Jason Tatum to go one on three to be

14:54

you know, Jordan in the eighties and

14:56

just go after it every time he has the ball in

14:58

clutch situations. But you just named Derek

15:00

White's another guy who makes big shots

15:03

and is comfortable.

15:03

In the nobody pays attention to.

15:06

Everyone knows that if Derek White is open,

15:08

or if Drew Holliday is open, that is a better shot

15:10

than Jason Tatum getting a soft double team

15:12

thrown his way that forces up a contested

15:15

two. He makes the right plays

15:17

every single time. That's not always gonna manifest

15:20

itself. In a game winning shot, but it's

15:22

gonna manifest itself. It assist

15:25

or a hockey assist or something that gets

15:27

it done. Jason Tatum all season long has

15:29

made great plays for this team.

15:31

So I was saying in my opening rant is,

15:33

by.

15:33

The way, can we just can? I also Nick

15:36

Right, who

15:39

likes to take shots at my

15:42

support of the Celtics over the years, Nick

15:44

Wright, the Lebron advocate general

15:46

for so many years, of everything Lebron

15:48

does and is great

15:51

and nothing he there's no reason not

15:53

to want to play with Lebron James. We used to argue

15:55

on first things first all the time about

15:58

whether Anthony Davis was better

16:00

off being traded from the

16:02

Pelicans to the Lakers or

16:04

the Pelicans to the Celtics. What would

16:06

you say about that right now? Because Ad does

16:08

have a championship, but he's probably

16:11

got three, four or five more years left in the NBA.

16:14

Wouldn't you say he's probably better off playing with

16:16

Jason Tatum, playing with some of those guys in

16:18

Boston than he is in LA long term?

16:20

Well, I think the Celtics have since Brad

16:22

Stevens first got the job. I

16:24

think I look at Boston and I think

16:27

to myself, this is a very well

16:29

run, consistent franchise, very Warriors

16:32

like. The difference is Steph just hits.

16:34

You know, Steph just is one on one and

16:36

Tatum is very good. But Steph's like a unique

16:39

unicorn all time. Yeah, I think Boston,

16:41

and I've said this before, I think the Lakers

16:43

are actually like a small town business

16:45

in a big market. That's sometimes

16:47

how they've been run. So yeah, I think Ady to the Celtics

16:50

probably would have been a better fit.

16:52

Well, let's cut that and send that to Nick

16:54

to you this afternoon.

16:57

So I want to talk about

16:59

the war years because it is fascinating

17:01

about the NBA. So since

17:03

he came into the league in two thousand and nine, the

17:06

Warriors well run. Everybody

17:08

misses on draft picks. I mean, you get almost no

17:10

video of these guys in college. You have no I mean it's

17:12

ridiculous. NFLGM

17:14

gets four years of tape, I get like six

17:16

games where you played against an NBA guy. I

17:18

think it's really hard to draft, really

17:21

hard to draft as an NBA GM twenty

17:23

two draft picks. Since Curry's

17:26

been there multiple dozen

17:28

trades, acquisitions, they are

17:30

still a totally dependent Steph

17:32

Curry offense. Do they have

17:34

to blow it up? I think they have to

17:36

go get somebody. We've seen this now

17:38

for three years now. One year, you

17:41

know, Denver wasn't quite ready to go. Lebron

17:44

and ad were unhealthy. But I just feel like,

17:46

guys, you've got to go get

17:48

somebody, right.

17:49

They are completely dependent

17:51

on Steph Curry to score in key situation ever since.

17:53

I mean that game. Look, look, we can talk

17:55

about the two most recent games with the Warris.

17:58

I thought were bad for different reasons. Last

18:01

night against the Timberwolves were bad because

18:03

they had a lead for most of the game.

18:05

They had a lead going into the

18:07

fourth quarter and Steve Kerr decided

18:09

Steph had played too many minutes the night before

18:12

gave him an extended rest. That lead evaporated.

18:14

They were down I think eight to one point in that

18:17

fourth quarter because they can't score

18:19

without Steph carry. You go to the Indiana

18:22

game, which was the previous one, they put up

18:24

one hundred and eleven points against Indiana. Indiana

18:26

is not a good defensive team. That's

18:28

a team that doesn't have shot

18:31

makers anymore. Steph Curry still a shot maker,

18:33

but has to do it in somewhat of a reduced

18:35

role because of his age and the desire

18:37

by the coaching staff to keep him as

18:39

rested as possible down the stretch. But beyond

18:42

Steph, who can you count on

18:44

on a nightly basis to make

18:46

up the difference to pick up the slack? Klay

18:48

Thompson is not doing it anymore. Kaminga.

18:50

I like him a lot, but he's not capable of that just

18:52

yet. They don't have the

18:55

horses right now to compete

18:57

with the number of teams out there that

18:59

just have shot makers left and right. They can make

19:01

shots.

19:02

So a lot of people are predicting

19:05

that it won't be a great playoff because Boston's

19:08

going to fly through the East, which

19:10

I agree with, although Miami is a weird way of making

19:12

them uncomfortable. The coaching's

19:14

excellent, Bam Butler, they'll they'll make things uncomfortable.

19:18

And then that Denver is dominant, Phoenix's

19:22

disappointing doesn't necessarily match up, and that Denver's

19:24

not that fascinating. I love watching them

19:26

play, but I said this last

19:28

week, what's really interesting to

19:31

me is Milwaukee.

19:33

Because they're old, they don't

19:36

defend as well. Once they left Drew Holiday. They

19:38

didn't want to get rid of him. It's a hail Mary.

19:40

They had to get somebody, and they got Bame. They

19:43

loved them, you know.

19:43

They didn't want to get like I

19:46

would love to give them troop serum to

19:48

ask if they would have made that deal if they knew Drew was going

19:50

to wind up in Boston, because I

19:52

thought they assumed he was going to wind up

19:54

on a Western Conference team and they wouldn't have to deal

19:57

with him, at least not in the conference playoffs.

19:58

So he's clearly with his

20:00

departure. They're just not as good defensively.

20:02

Yeah, you can't argue that. And

20:05

I think Giannis has been westernized,

20:07

not a criticism. He's a little more caustic.

20:10

He's running through you know, that coach got

20:12

fired, the coach he wanted, Adrien Griffin

20:14

got fired because Jiannis was tired of

20:16

it, even though they were the number one or two seed

20:18

when he got fired. And my takeaway is if

20:21

they lose early, or if they play

20:24

Boston and they do not match

20:26

up with a cel, that could be a sweep. They don't

20:28

match up athletically with Boston. I don't think

20:30

at all.

20:32

They don't match up well with Boston.

20:34

But I was at the game last week where

20:37

it was very close down the stretch with the

20:39

Celtics, and yes, the Celtics were playing without

20:41

holiday, and there was probably a letdown

20:43

for them going into that game because Jannis

20:46

was supposed to play it that he didn't play, So it wasn't

20:48

the matchup they thought it was. But watching

20:50

Damian Lillard grind out thirty

20:52

plus points in that game, watching Chris

20:54

Middleton continue to show

20:57

signs of progress coming back from that injury,

20:59

He's gonna be a danger's weapon for them, almost at a triple double

21:01

last night in the Bucks game, watching Bobby

21:04

Port to step in and play well for them,

21:06

they did all that kept it close against Boston

21:08

in Boston without Giannis and the floor,

21:10

and the Bucks like to say no moral victories.

21:13

I walked away from that game thinking

21:15

that it was a moral victory for them.

21:17

So I agree with you. I would take Boston a series

21:19

against Milwaukee. I do think it's a lot closer.

21:21

Okay, let me make this argument

21:24

that if they lose to Boston, they have

21:26

got to take it six or seven, because

21:28

if it's five games, three lobsided

21:30

losses My take is Jannis

21:33

looks at that roster and goes, they're

21:36

younger and more athletic. We're

21:38

older, less athletic, We're not getting

21:40

younger. I think Milwaukee has

21:43

to be viable, has to get to

21:45

the Eastern Conference Finals.

21:46

I would agree with that. I think getting to the Eastern

21:49

Conference Finals is the absolute floor

21:51

for this team before they have to get worried about

21:54

what Jannis is going to want

21:56

to do long term. Look, the contract extension

21:58

Yannis signed was more about

22:01

securing his financial future than it was

22:03

about a long term commitment with Milwaukee.

22:05

And I talk to NBA executives all

22:07

the time that tell me there are teams

22:09

out there just sitting on them, just crossing

22:12

their fingers, rooting against the Bucks every

22:14

single game. Teams like the Knicks, the Warriors,

22:16

the Lakers that are just sitting there hoping

22:19

that this team vows out early. And

22:21

Giannis decides, look, this isn't for

22:24

me, but if they get to the conference finals,

22:26

if they make it competitive against Boston,

22:29

he can't blow it up. You can't because you

22:31

still have enough pieces that are in their prime.

22:33

Damian Lillard still back end of his prime,

22:36

but playing we all star starter in his prime,

22:38

Chris Middleton, if you can just coax

22:41

one full healthy season out of him, he

22:43

is still an effective player. The frontcourt

22:45

guys Brook Lopez is ageless on

22:47

that team. I don't think you can blow

22:49

it up if they go up up against Boston

22:52

and lose in six or seven. If they get

22:54

beat by Miami in the first round.

22:56

Not out of the rebel possibility, by the way,

22:58

but if that happens that, I think it's a

23:00

different picture.

23:02

Chris Mannix, Well, you know,

23:05

did you.

23:05

Just say that if they get beat by the Heat in

23:08

the first round.

23:08

I think you don't think Miami can't beat Milwaukee.

23:12

Miami is the classic lurking

23:14

in the shadows as a sixth seed. They've been doing it

23:16

for a decade. You're

23:19

overvalued.

23:20

I mean, this is a team.

23:20

Last year they made a great run. They looked exhausted

23:23

all season. Chris, I don't see

23:25

it this year.

23:25

Okay. Well, look they've had a lot of injuries. They

23:27

have all season long, and I think they're a lesser

23:29

team this year because of some

23:31

of the deals that they made, the guys they lost

23:34

in free agency last time. But I promise you

23:36

you talked to any coach in the NLA, nobody

23:38

wants to say. Nobody like, what are they sitting eight seed

23:41

right now? You know they'll be in the plans. They have to fight

23:43

their way through that to get there, and they almost lost.

23:46

No one's gonna beat in the plane, so that is certainly

23:48

on the table. But if they get through,

23:50

and if they're the seventh seed and Milwaukee's

23:53

sitting there at number two, that

23:55

would make me nervous. If I was the Bucks, if they're

23:57

fully healthy and there they get

23:59

a couple of play in wins or whatever it is, I

24:02

would. And look, I feel the same way about Boston. Boston

24:04

doesn't want to touch them in the first round either because a

24:07

healthy Jimmy Butler, a healthy bam Adebaio

24:09

Duncan, Robins actually been better this year than

24:11

he has been last year, more complete player, Tyler

24:13

Herro coming back. That is not a team

24:16

anyone wants to touch that's radioactive.

24:18

In the first round. Well, listen, I've said this. People

24:21

can say what they want about the Lakers. When

24:23

they won the n season tournament and it was sort

24:25

of a one game setting. It's like, you don't want

24:27

to face Lebron in one game saying you don't want to

24:29

face Lebron as a heavy

24:31

favorite. Lebron all make this argument

24:34

that ad is now the third best center in

24:36

the league. Jokic is just the best

24:39

player. Jannis is a better athlete.

24:41

But Anthony Davis for a year and a half has

24:43

not gotten hurt. He is there every

24:46

night. He's an unbelievable defender.

24:49

Three out of four games he gives you a big

24:51

offense. I was banging on him

24:53

for two years. Anthony Davis

24:55

has had a remarkable year and a half stretch

24:58

he has. He's one of the only guys that make makes Yokich

25:00

work. Now, Jokich'll get his, but

25:02

he makes Jokich work.

25:04

He does, and those games, as have been

25:06

well documented, are incredibly close between the

25:09

Lakers to win them, but they've been incredibly

25:11

close down the stretch. His durability has

25:13

been one of the most surprising stories of

25:15

the last couple of years. His ability to stay on the court.

25:17

Yes be an elite defensive player, where he still

25:20

malfunctions from time to time as offensively.

25:22

Offensively, you have maybe

25:24

too many nights where he gives

25:26

you like ten points and it's a low shooting

25:28

percentage that makes you worried

25:31

if you're the Lakers because you don't have a

25:33

lot of reliable options after him.

25:34

But in fairness to Ad, when

25:36

you're leaning on a two hundred and eighty pound guy

25:39

and you're a great defender, I

25:41

don't think offensively you're not Luca.

25:44

Luca just mails that side in when

25:46

you're asking Ady to defend guys that are offlating

25:48

bigger. I think it's their.

25:49

Problem like that. That's the problem with One of the problems

25:52

the Lakers have had this year is that

25:54

they don't have anyone they can rely on to

25:56

play those five spot minutes, Like Jackson

25:58

Hayes hasn't really been that

26:00

guy. Christian Wood hasn't been that guy. They

26:02

haven't had that one big that can give

26:04

them twenty minutes of reliable production

26:07

alongside Anthony Davis.

26:08

Yeah, didn't they want Andre Drummond at one

26:10

point? And everybody wanted Andre Drummonds. I

26:13

thought the league salary cheap salary. He plays.

26:15

I mean I watched them as a human vacuum. I

26:17

love that your entire you know, your view of

26:19

you put the NBA is based on what you saw with

26:22

a bull self a scheduled loss for Boston

26:25

coming off of.

26:25

Back to back watch a lot

26:27

of ends.

26:28

I believe that, but you seem to be you seem

26:30

to be taking a lot from this

26:32

one game, Like, oh my god, Andre Drummond

26:34

is I would take him on.

26:36

The Drummond was. My wife's

26:38

like, where did he play? And I'm like, well, he started in Detroit,

26:41

Cleveland or Detroit and he was a rebound

26:43

guy. Yeah, he didn't give you any offense. But he's

26:45

a big, thick like body.

26:48

One of the great rebounders in NBA

26:50

history. Like, look at the numbers, and

26:52

he started Detroit, started Detroit, came back.

26:55

He bounced around a lot over the years.

26:56

But he's one of those guys that because he's a body

26:59

and can give your big, big sixteen

27:01

minutes of rest. People went on upper.

27:03

Coffee in Philadelphia for a little while.

27:05

Great, Rea, not just one game. I've got it.

27:07

I believe you. What but you I'm just saying you seem to have

27:10

taken more from this one game than

27:12

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All right, this is an interesting one. I

27:53

don't think a lot of people are on this yet, but just

27:55

hear me out. So Jim Harball obviously has been

27:57

hyping JJ McCarthy.

27:59

Remember he came on this show and was like, j

28:01

J. McCarthy's the best quarterback in the draft, and you kind

28:03

of like laughed it off.

28:04

H Yeah, gotcha.

28:05

So j J.

28:06

McCarthy got his pro day, and Harbaugh

28:09

continues to rave, calling McCarthy's

28:11

performance the best throwing day

28:13

he's ever seen. Okay, here's

28:16

what he here's here's the audio of Jim Harbaugh.

28:18

I think he's the best quarterback in the draft. He's

28:22

incredible. So big

28:24

market, small market, it wouldn't cold

28:27

weather, hot weather, you know, it

28:29

won't matter, like I predicted

28:32

once they were around him, I

28:34

was hearing the stories about how he

28:36

is on the board, how he is, you

28:39

know, on the field, the little

28:41

things, the the intangibles. I mean,

28:44

it's it was. It was absolutely no

28:46

surprise whatsoever.

28:47

But uh yeah, there was. There

28:49

was.

28:50

There was raving. I mean I was, it was

28:52

and it was great to hear. Incredible here.

28:55

Yeah.

28:55

Okay, so here's my my working theory. We

28:57

thought before we were just pumping up his guy.

29:00

So the Chargers

29:03

are fifth in the draft.

29:05

Okay, if there

29:07

are people who like McCarthy, now Harbaugh's

29:09

hyping, oh, he's the best quarterback in the draft.

29:10

All this stuff.

29:12

Is this a signal come up to five, get

29:14

McCarthy, we'll trade back.

29:16

There is no question you're very

29:18

perceptive. This is Jim

29:21

Harbaugh strategically at his very

29:23

best. He is telling you

29:25

the quarterback viewed as the fourth

29:27

best quarterback. Harpau is

29:30

saying he's the best quarterback

29:32

in the draft. There is no

29:34

question Minnesota is

29:37

moving up and the only question

29:39

is to four or five. So yes,

29:43

I think this is very perceptive

29:45

of you. He is playing the game now. He

29:47

may believe JJ McCarthy's actually since

29:49

he barely lost any games under Harball.

29:52

I don't think he's as good as Jim saying. Be

29:55

that as it may. Jim

29:57

already has two fourth round picks. If

30:00

he moves JJ McCarthy, that will

30:02

give him two firsts at least

30:04

and probably a first next year or a second.

30:07

So Harbaugh needs ten

30:09

or eleven picks this year to get this puppy

30:11

roll up.

30:12

Okay, this is in the weeds and only

30:14

like the hardcore NFL fans will remember a year

30:16

ago, Jim Harbaugh wanted

30:18

levered with Michigan.

30:20

He was trying to get leverage, get paid right.

30:22

He allegedly talked to Carolina and

30:24

the other team he talked to was the Minnesota

30:27

Vikings. They met with Jim Harble. Ultimately

30:29

they picked Kevin O'Connor Colin.

30:32

I feel like there's a connection between the Vikings

30:34

and Chargers, and it smelled light. That's

30:36

going to be the trade here in the draft. The Vikings

30:38

are going to come up to five with the Chargers.

30:41

Chargers slide back and the Vikings give up.

30:42

And I do think Arizona at four

30:45

really wants the best receiver in

30:47

the draft because they have a star back, right

30:50

they have their star quarterback, a star running

30:52

back, and they have a tight end. I really

30:54

like the young tight end for Arizona.

30:57

I think they want to go get a star receiver. It'll

30:59

be Harrison. So I don't think Arizona,

31:02

unless you give them a haul, will

31:04

move out of four.

31:05

They don't want to go down to the teams.

31:07

And also, so further you move

31:09

up, Minnesota would rather trade

31:11

at five or six than four

31:13

because that's just more stuff you have

31:15

to give off. So I think it's I

31:17

think it's very very interesting. I think Harbaugh,

31:20

to your point, is playing it perfectly.

31:22

So it's thirty.

31:23

Days out, I believe from the draft twenty one, thirty right

31:25

in that area. So excited it's going to start. You

31:27

know, it was misinformation season and

31:30

now it's like the private workouts and all that stuff.

31:33

It's starting to get get interesting on the draft run.

31:35

Let's move over the Denver Broncos. They

31:37

moved on from Russell Wilson. They also

31:40

are looking to draft a quarterback next month. You've been

31:42

hot on this. You've floated a certain name of somebody who

31:44

visited this show.

31:45

Last week.

31:46

However, Sean Payton talked

31:48

about the Broncos' ability to move up from twelfth

31:51

in the draft.

31:51

Here's what he had to say today.

31:55

I think it's realistic. What's

31:58

hard to predict, though, is like

32:02

what's on the receiving end. You

32:04

know, I think it's good to be Monty today

32:07

at Arizona. I certainly wouldn't

32:10

say it's unrealistic, and I'm

32:14

gonna pay close attention to it.

32:18

Hmm, what do you make of that?

32:19

Well, Denver's at twelve, it

32:22

depends who they want.

32:23

If they want McCarthy, they're gonna have to jump

32:25

the Vikings who are at eleven. The

32:27

Jets at ten probably doesn't do much for them.

32:29

It really depends on who Sean Payton wants.

32:32

I mean, one of us may have Sean Payton's number

32:34

and could text him ay who.

32:36

But the quarterbacks of.

32:36

This drafted is obviously not me. But I

32:39

don't think he's shown his hand yet.

32:41

And he did a good job of keeping the Russell

32:43

Wilson stuff bottled up during the season. So I

32:45

think Peyton's not gonna give

32:47

any tells as to where he's going because is it Nicks,

32:49

is it Pennix, is it McCarty?

32:51

And I go back to this, Let's say Denver

32:54

likes Bone Knicks, but the scouting department

32:56

says he's the twenty fourth best player.

32:59

And so Sean sitting there thinking,

33:01

well, we can't draft you know at our spot there

33:04

would Denver move back to like seventeen,

33:08

get more picks and then get it. You can reach

33:10

a little on quarterback. So Bonex is interesting

33:12

and I think this is a fascinating kind of fought

33:15

game for the audience. Are

33:18

you willing to overdraft a quarterback.

33:21

Let's say JJ McCarthy is

33:23

sixteenth on your board and your

33:26

Minnesota and you need to quarterback. Are

33:28

you willing to draft him five and not

33:30

only draft him five, but give up two

33:32

to three first round picks for And

33:35

that's that's the strategy in the NFL,

33:37

is that everybody's going to reach a little

33:39

for quarterback. But how

33:42

much do you reach for Bo Nix or McCarthy

33:44

who don't say project like

33:46

Drake may or Caleb It's not just

33:49

overdrafting him. Daniel Jones, they overdrafted.

33:51

I never thought he was a first round quarterback. I

33:53

do think bow Knicks and

33:55

JJ McCarthy I see more than I did

33:57

with Daniel Jones. I think Bo Nix is like

34:00

Breeze in terms of accuracy, and JJ McCarthy

34:02

can really move.

34:03

So it depends where do you have Nix on

34:05

that hypothetical board. If McCarthy's sixteen were

34:07

Nicks and Penick.

34:08

If you ask

34:10

NFL exacs, bo Nicks is somewhere

34:12

in the late early twenty, like twenty

34:14

three to twenty seven to top

34:17

of the second. That's where he's viewed. But

34:19

I need a quarterback, so I'm willing

34:21

to reach, but I don't want to have to give up fursts

34:25

and then reach. Well, that's where you get into

34:27

trouble.

34:28

Worth Pennix on that hypothetical board lower than name.

34:30

I love Pemmis, but the injuries

34:32

freak people. I think Pennick should go to the Seahawks.

34:34

You and I agree, Seattle should just get Pennix.

34:36

He can use his college coordinator.

34:39

Is the Seahawks coordinate.

34:40

I think Miami makes sense for Penis Yep.

34:41

I think he is a bigger to a so

34:44

Peyton.

34:44

I don't think he's I mean, bo Nicks obviously

34:46

checks a lot of boxes. I don't know that he's trading

34:49

up into the top ten for like the fifth best

34:51

quarterback theoretically right, He's.

34:52

Not doing that is he for the

34:54

fifth best quarterback. Sounds

34:58

insane.

34:58

By the way, we're gonna do season

35:00

win totals, Final Hour, Oh

35:03

we are, just so you know, they just came out today.

35:05

Oh the way Timeout they did.

35:06

No, No, we're not doing it now, so settle down. But I just want

35:08

to let.

35:09

You know they came out and

35:11

you're not gonna give them to well, the Denver Broncos.

35:12

They're doing the bottom of the what yeah,

35:15

the third.

35:15

Worst wind total.

35:17

But we got a tease for the final hour, Power Hour,

35:19

Final story here. Jordan Love had a great season

35:21

with the Packers, leading.

35:23

Green Bay to the playoffs.

35:24

Hey, got a nice win over Dallas, did

35:26

lose to the Niners, a tough one. Many are

35:28

high on the Packers heading into next season, including

35:30

Colin Coward.

35:31

Jordan Love is very excited.

35:34

It's a great feeling.

35:35

Man.

35:35

We're we're all very hungry for this upcoming

35:37

year. But like you said, man, the confidence

35:39

from you know, top to.

35:40

Bottom is there.

35:41

You know, the organization believes that, you

35:44

know, it's the perfect time to have

35:46

a chance to win a Super Bowl this year. And those conversations

35:49

we had after that forty nine.

35:50

Ers game where man.

35:51

Like work harder, try and find ways

35:53

to get better because next year we're gonna do it, and

35:56

there's no more We're a young team, there's no more

35:58

of those what if like. People

36:00

know we're about now and obviously

36:03

you know we'll.

36:03

Have that target on our back.

36:04

People gonna want to beat us, so you

36:06

know we're hungry.

36:09

I know you love this team.

36:10

I'll just say again, I'm not bashing

36:12

Jordan Love, but early in the

36:15

first half of the season, he was a bottom

36:17

to your quarterback and there are questions is

36:19

he the guy? Second half he won on

36:21

a tear in December and January.

36:24

So what do you need to see?

36:26

I need to see more. I'm sorry, I just need to

36:28

see more before I can annoy.

36:30

If he has five of his first six starts,

36:32

he looks really good. Are then you ready

36:34

to go?

36:34

But I'm late to buying this great stock.

36:37

I'm trying to buy DAVIDI at the top of the market, you know.

36:39

So I would like to see him come out and roll

36:41

in September, but I do think everybody

36:44

has film now. He can be a tad

36:46

reckless, but you cannot tell me the arm,

36:48

the mobility and everything you hear out

36:50

of Green bay Is. He's such a good guy. And

36:52

I also think the team is so young. He fits

36:55

generationally the roster. Aaron's like,

36:57

yeah, like Tom Brady and Aaron like they

36:59

don't want to deal with twenty one year old receivers, Like

37:01

they just don't.

37:02

So some of my issues with him. Couldn't you remember

37:04

a Monday night football game against.

37:05

The Raiders Packers Raiders

37:07

this year? It was in October. Yeah,

37:09

Jordan Love was awful. He had three

37:12

interceptions through for one hundred and eighty two yards.

37:14

He was just a future.

37:15

It was an awful game from him.

37:16

And on those Island games, Collins, you

37:19

know, sometimes it can the stench can

37:21

linger if you will, And I just couldn't get past

37:23

like watching Jordan Love vomit all.

37:25

Over himself against the freaking Raiders. So

37:27

I'm not as tis you s J Mack

37:30

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I saw, I thought there was something this weekend

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that was notable. Jmack. J

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Mack has been on Sauce Gardner

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what a player, and I'm like, cornerbacks

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don't win games. So the Chiefs

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moved off, traded lageriusned

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the corner who had a rough Super Bowl. And

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I've been on this for years. You got

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to spend your money on offense in the NFL, with

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the exception being a great pass rusher

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of Max Crossby or a great interior

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lineman Chris Jones, Aaron Donald.

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Otherwise, spend your money on offense,

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don't spend it on corner. To me, there's

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four things that win in this league once you get

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the coach right. So let's just say you have a good

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coach, get the quarterback right,

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protect the quarterback, get the quarterback weapons,

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and then sign one great player to

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make their quarterback uncomfortable.

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Rinse and repeat. And corners

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are like the wide receivers of defense.

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They're on an island. You get some ego.

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Many of their best plays are spectacular

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plays, but they don't win football

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games. And they're not connected to the quarterback.

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And now, with all the innovation in

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the NFL over the last five to ten years,

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with all these great offensive coaches, there is so

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much motion, so

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much three step drop efficiency,

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so much screening. I

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mean, these wide receivers Tyreek Hill

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gets a running start, now there's a very

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little a top corner can do. You can throw

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away from him, you can roll away from him,

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you got your you got you. Watch Miami San

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Francisco and the Rams play. I feel bad

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for corners. I mean, there's all this motion

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getting guys wide open. And so I

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think the smart teams in this league are

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not paying corners. They're drafting them

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every year, fourth round,

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fifth round, sixth run. You draft a corner every

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single year, but you don't

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really pay him unless and

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this again, unless maybe your quarterbacks

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on a rookie deal. So you've got like

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that three year window to pay a corner. But I just

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don't believe Kansas

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City they draft corners. Well, they got McDuffie,

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there's no reason to pay him. But they made sure they

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paid Chris Jones, and that Rams

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got rid of Jalen Ramsey. They made

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sure they paid Aaron Donald. They're

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raiders, not great at corner. They're gonna

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pay Max Crosby. There's three teams in the league right

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now, the Chiefs, the Rams, and the Browns. If

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I ran and I love all three gms. Brett

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veetz Less need Andrew Berry. I

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think they're building teams the way you should

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spend your money on offense. One exception

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the pass rusher, by the way, Chicago

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deserves a lot of credit for this. I

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had my questions about Ryan Poles. They

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went out and made a deal for Montes Sweat

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gave up a second round pick. Chicago media,

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a lot of people blasted him. I'm like, no, no, no, no,

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no no. Montes Sweat

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is better now than any second round pick. Maybe

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not down the road in four years, but he is

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now. So the Bear said, we're

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gonna pay Montes Sweat. But look

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at all the other players

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they're paying DJ Moore, Keenan

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Allen. They're gonna end up, They're gonna

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end up paying tight ends, they're

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left tackle. They'll eventually pay him. So

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the Bears, who through the years I

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haven't trusted upstairs, go

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look at what they did in the last month. Spend

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money on the right side

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of the ball. Cleveland's doing it, Rams are doing

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it. Chiefs are doing it. Moving

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off a very very talented

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corner. Mick Cronin, UCLA coach

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can't wait talking March Madness

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