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One hour from now. Colin

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was right, Colin was wrong. Plenty

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of boat. Michael Urban, Julian

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Edelman both stopping by today. We're

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jammed. Both of us had a good weekend.

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Ten and O combined on our picks. That was nice.

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But we talk about big games right,

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like like, that's the difference

0:59

between the half and the half knocks. Right

1:01

For quarterbacks, it's can you play from behind?

1:03

Not with the lead in her teams? How

1:06

are you in these marquee headline national

1:08

TV standalone games against really good

1:10

teams?

1:11

Not?

1:12

Good?

1:12

God, I can't wait for this ran.

1:14

Okay, here we go. Two things are

1:16

absolutely inarguably and

1:18

abundantly clear. San

1:21

Francisco when it comes to coaching, scheme

1:23

and roster is a mile

1:26

better than Dallas. It is real sugar

1:28

against sweetener one's fake. Okay,

1:31

it's not close coaching roster

1:34

and scheme and not close the

1:36

second thing, and I'm not sure how close this

1:38

is. Maybe it's closer, but

1:40

Brock Purdy is better than Dak Prescott.

1:44

Stop arguing bothered by it. Really,

1:46

when Dak entered the league as a fourth round

1:48

pick, he was better than some first

1:50

and second round quarterbacks. You

1:53

didn't have a problem embracing that. He was more

1:55

mature, leadership, mobility, he

1:57

had the IT factor. So

2:00

I'm supposed to wait for brock Perty's ten to zero.

2:03

He was severely underdrafted. The kid is

2:05

good. How good, I don't know. But

2:07

he's absolutely a more natural, accurate

2:10

thrower than Dak. He's

2:12

cheaper than Dak. That stuff matters

2:14

in a salary cap league. And now I

2:17

think he's as or probably more

2:19

mobile than Dak because Dak's had all those

2:21

injuries through the years, right, so he

2:23

moves really well Dak doesn't. I

2:26

mean. The other thing is decision

2:28

making is arguably the most

2:31

important trait for quarterbacks. I always thought

2:33

Dak was pretty good. Perty's great. The

2:36

kid always throws to the right person. So

2:38

anybody bothered by this take that Purdy's

2:40

better than Dak. Go back seven

2:42

years when Dak had

2:45

a nice preseason

2:47

game against LA went ten for twelve with

2:49

two touchdowns, and Cowboy fans went

2:51

bonkers. I got cramped

2:54

for a month because I suggested, well,

2:56

you got Zeke a top five defense,

2:58

best on line in football.

3:00

It is a preseason game

3:03

from a franchise that just moved across the country,

3:06

And now you want me to wait to say, yeah,

3:08

Brock, Perty's good. He's ten and zero in the

3:10

regular season, highest passer rating

3:13

if he retired today, highest passer

3:15

rating in league history. He never throws

3:17

interceptions, and he's just a more accurate

3:20

thrower and distributor of the football than Dak

3:22

Prescott. It's not close.

3:24

Listen.

3:24

You can keep giving Kyle Shanahan

3:26

all the credit, but Kyle Shanahan's

3:29

a coach, not a magician. He couldn't make CJ.

3:32

Bethard work. He

3:34

couldn't make Trey Lance work. Trey

3:37

was a first rounder. Bethard was a middle

3:39

to high draft choice third round.

3:41

I think he couldn't make those guys work. Brock

3:44

Purty's good now, I don't know how

3:46

good. Does Shanahan deserve some

3:49

credit, absolutely, But on balls

3:51

thrown downfield ten plus yards

3:54

and Prety, that's slinging it. You're throwing the

3:56

ball down the field pretty this year leads

3:59

the NFL and pass already touchdown to interception

4:01

and completion percentage downfield rows.

4:04

Greg Cosell warned us about this a

4:07

month ago. He came on and

4:09

he said, Dak now is a pocket

4:11

passer. He does not move. Well, that's

4:14

all he is. He's a distributor, not a playmaker.

4:17

Early Dak could be a playmaker. He's not

4:19

anymore. Now he's a pocket guy. Well

4:21

that was never a strength anyway. It was his

4:23

intelligence, his intangibles, his

4:25

leadership, his maturity, his ability

4:27

to move. Now he's just a pocket guy, and

4:29

not a very good one. Twenty one picks

4:32

in his last nineteen starts, almost all of them

4:34

from the pocket. Okay, so

4:36

San Francisco, better roster, not

4:38

close, better coach, not close, and

4:40

a better quarterback maybe closer. Yes,

4:43

Christian McCaffrey's great. Christian

4:45

McCaffrey last night averaged two

4:47

point seven yards of carry. It

4:50

was not about Christian McCaffrey. It was not about

4:52

Debo. It was about a

4:55

coach we know that's better than McCarthy,

4:57

and a quarterback now that's better than Dak.

5:00

It's true. I look at the first ten

5:02

starts of his career, all time ranks,

5:04

he's first or second, and everything. The

5:06

dude is good. He's

5:09

accurate, he moves pretty

5:11

well, he's obviously coachable, he

5:13

lets it go, he sees the

5:15

field. He wasn't the only

5:18

reason for the win. I'm not suggesting

5:20

that we know the rosters

5:22

better, and we know the coach is better, and we know the

5:24

schemes are better. I don't even know what Dallas's offense

5:27

is, but brock perty last

5:29

night, folks, that's what That's what

5:31

an a quarterback looks like. Maybe

5:33

he's not a down the road, but he's an

5:35

a now. And here's Kyle after.

5:39

He was really good. Everybody was pretty

5:41

good. But thought

5:44

he missed one throw throughout the day from

5:46

what it seemed like just a little behind BA in the first

5:48

quarter on one and everything else seemed pretty

5:50

falllessed. He did a great job versus

5:52

real good pass for us and tight coverages.

5:55

Many of those are designed

5:58

throws. Throws.

6:01

Guess what, that's

6:04

most of the league. So were Belichick

6:06

and Brady They were schemed Josh McDaniels,

6:09

Dante Scarnekia choreography,

6:11

You still got to make them. And brock

6:13

perty makes him at a higher rate

6:17

than almost anybody in the league. Dude

6:19

is good. How good? I don't know. I'll

6:21

leave at the scout, but he's good, all

6:24

right? The New York

6:26

Jets thought they'd win

6:29

the last pick. I didn't make thirty

6:31

one points for the Jets. How about that? You gotta feel

6:34

good about that. So everybody keeps

6:36

telling me this, Hey, Russell Wilson is

6:38

not the problem.

6:40

Who gives a rip? Is he the solution? The

6:44

internet's for blaming people. I need solutions.

6:47

Is Russell good enough to be a solution? Joe

6:50

Burrow bad offensive line and a coach

6:52

with a losing record, got to a Super Bowl.

6:55

Joe Burrow was the solution. Josh

6:58

Allen shaky olin in run game for years.

7:00

His record's fifty five and twenty six. He's

7:03

the solution. Patrick Mahomes receiving

7:05

corps young not that talented they

7:07

want again he's the solution.

7:10

Justin Herbert. We don't like the coach. He

7:12

keeps winning. He's the solution.

7:15

The internet in twitters for blame. I

7:17

don't care. Once you

7:19

pay a quarterback big boy money,

7:23

if he's not special, you become the Titans

7:25

and the Vikings. The Titans

7:27

have a great coach, feels

7:29

like the Vikings always have a world class receiver.

7:32

We don't consider them super Bowl viable.

7:36

I don't think Russell Wilson's the primary

7:38

issue here either, But once you pay

7:40

a quarterback that kind of cash, he's got

7:42

to be the solution. And I'm not sure he's

7:45

that because you're either part

7:47

of the solution or the problem. Once

7:49

you're making thirty forty fifty million as a quarterback,

7:52

it doesn't matter whose fault it is, you

7:55

are the issue if you're not the solution. Now,

7:58

does Sean Payton deserve criticism?

8:00

Yes, he got money in

8:02

power And I've said this for years. Power

8:05

for a few years hurt Pete Carroll. Now

8:08

he's left the drafting back to his GM John

8:10

Snyder. Power has hurt Bill

8:12

Belichick. He has

8:14

too much of it. He's a lousy drafter,

8:17

but a good coach and now his coaching

8:19

can overcome his drafting. Sean

8:21

Payton came into the building, he didn't have his

8:24

Mickey Loomis, he didn't have his GM. They

8:27

retained the other GM,

8:29

the GM that was there before Sean

8:31

got there. I think he's done a pretty good job. But

8:33

it's not Sean's guy. And Sean's got the money

8:35

and the power on the contract. So Sean

8:38

says, hey, let's go pay for a right tackle. They

8:41

overspent for it. He can't pass block. That's

8:43

why I said, the minute you get

8:45

all the power, you got

8:47

nowhere to hide. I'd rather have a little

8:49

less power and say I

8:52

got deniability. I didn't do that. My

8:54

I just do this that coaches

8:56

all want power. Bill Parcells.

8:58

If I'm making dinner, I get a shot for the groceries.

9:00

And maybe Parcels could pull it off. But

9:03

it's hard enough to be a great GM, it's

9:05

hard enough to be a great coach when you try to do

9:07

both. Belichick, Pete Carroll legends it doesn't

9:09

work. You see how bad the drafts

9:12

get, and so Denver

9:14

doesn't do anything particularly well consistently,

9:17

whereas the Jets are not a great team.

9:19

But to Robert Sola's credit. They're

9:22

as good as their personnel allows

9:24

them to be. They're not gonna win track meets.

9:27

They don't have the quarterback or the deep receiving

9:29

corps, but they run the football

9:31

well because they have good backs, and they play

9:33

excellent defense because they have good personnel.

9:37

You don't have to win thirteen games

9:39

a year to be a good coach. Do you

9:41

win or do things

9:43

well that your personnel allows

9:46

you to do well. Atlanta's not gonna win

9:48

fourteen games. They don't have the dudes, but

9:50

can Arthur Smith win eight? With

9:53

mostly solid young offensive

9:55

personnel. The Jets do

9:57

some things very well. It's where

10:00

their best players are. They have one

10:02

big time receiver and one big time

10:04

back and a couple decent alignment.

10:07

But the corners are banged up yesterday. They're

10:10

not healthy. They're on the road, and

10:12

they really did what they are capable

10:15

of doing well very well. So

10:17

Sean Payton got the money, the leverage,

10:20

the power, and they lead the NFL right now,

10:22

second in the NFL and penalties, so they don't

10:24

do anything right, and they have some good players. Denver

10:26

and the Jets are pretty close in terms

10:29

of talent. Now, Jets have better defensive

10:31

talent. I think the Broncos have some better

10:33

offensive talent. More guys are can run and catch.

10:36

But does Sean Payton deserve credit? Yep.

10:39

It's a cautionary tale. Be careful

10:41

for what you ask for when you're a head coach.

10:45

Take a little less money, get a little less power,

10:47

and just concentrate on what you do well.

10:49

Here Sean, after noone

10:51

cares about what ales us or what was this? You

10:54

know, they want to see production and this

10:56

one hurts. We

10:58

didn't play well.

10:59

They're obviously a lot of focus on this game. Your

11:01

USA Today comments regarding Hackett,

11:04

how do you look at that as a chapter in

11:06

your coaching career where some people might say

11:08

Hackett got revenged today.

11:09

Yeah, listen, they played better than us.

11:11

Do you regret though those comments? Making

11:13

those comments?

11:15

I already addressed that though, And it's a fair

11:17

question, but I think we already addressed

11:19

that.

11:20

The next day, bit of a mess.

11:22

They got Kansas City coming up twice. They're

11:24

staring down the barrel, one in five, one in six.

11:27

So it is not good. But you have to

11:30

feel good because I'll say this about Robert

11:32

Salat and you, I think you wanted to run him out

11:34

of town a couple of weeks ago. Come on,

11:36

now, you have to be fair with Sala. The key

11:38

with coaching is when a coach

11:41

takes over an organization, generally

11:43

it's because the other guy like underachieved

11:46

in the view of the owner in GM, so he

11:48

was obviously not winning enough. So Sala

11:51

has limitations. Jets whiffed on a quarterback

11:53

in the left tackle, Well, they're not as

11:55

good offensively. If Makai Beckton

11:58

was a great left tackle, I would think differently

12:00

about the team. If they had a second receiver

12:02

that hit. Didn't they draft Rondell

12:05

Moore? Wasn't that their guy?

12:06

No?

12:06

That somebody else? They had another receiver

12:08

with a bunch of Yeah it was what Baylor kid or something

12:10

they had something. Yeah, yeah. If that guy would

12:13

have been a star, and Becton's a star, then

12:15

I would be more demanding on Robert

12:17

sla But the Jets are good

12:19

at what his personnel allows

12:21

them to be good at, and that's good coaching.

12:24

Lincoln Riley's defense isn't great.

12:27

That's because most of their good players are on offense and

12:29

the best quarterback in the country. So when it

12:31

comes to coaching. I don't want to necessarily just

12:33

see wins. But Denver's got like

12:36

good back, good receivers, an

12:38

expensive capable quarterback. They

12:40

should have a better left tackle like and

12:42

they're not good enough offensively,

12:45

so to me, they're underachieving and a really

12:47

smart offensive coach. The Jets do

12:49

what they can do well, there's

12:52

just some things they can't. They can't win track meets

12:54

well, don't have enough skill on the outside.

12:56

Can't do anything in the red zone zero for five. I

12:58

mean they scored thirty one points offensive

13:00

touchdown. Like, let's settle down with the Nathaniel

13:03

Hackett had solved things. He is doing more pre

13:05

stamp motion, which is freeing up

13:07

the run game in Breeze Hall. But they're limited and you

13:09

know, they got a tough one against the Eagles. The trenches

13:11

are looking bad. Avt got hurt, McKay

13:14

Beckton got hurt. Like they're in let's

13:16

let's sell us job as not safe yet. I

13:19

just wonder when the Denver fire sale begins,

13:22

Jerry Judy, what can you get for him?

13:23

Well, I think you, I think they're I think

13:25

that's a real question. Like we thought it was gonna

13:27

be Arizona and it may still be. But now

13:30

this trading deadline, Denver's got pieces.

13:32

The problem is, what are you tank

13:35

it for, Colin? What are you selling off for? Because

13:37

Russell Wilson's contract is just kicking

13:39

in. It's like it's gonna

13:41

be really tough to move off him. I

13:43

don't think there's an easy solution for Sawn Peyton.

13:45

I don't know. This is a big

13:48

lift. I think it's bigger than Sean thought.

13:50

It's a big lift.

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14:00

The way, it's Elijah Moore for the Jets, not Rondell.

14:02

That's the one they shipped off to Cleveland. All

14:04

right, So last night Dallas and San Francisco.

14:06

I thought San Francisco was win. I thought it would be closed

14:09

twenty four twenty. I think they have a better coach,

14:11

better schemes. I had said last week, you're going to see a

14:13

coaching gap in this game. I didn't think the

14:15

Pretty Dak gap would be that big.

14:17

But this is a reoccurring result for

14:19

the Cowboys. They don't win big

14:21

games, and McCarthy and Dak in these big

14:24

games, you often go, wow, they

14:26

look really second tier. It is

14:28

time for a reality check. Dak

14:31

in his career against playoff teams,

14:33

and I will count San Francisco as a team

14:35

that makes the playoffs. He would now be seventeen

14:38

and twenty eight. Once the last time

14:40

Dak went toe to toe with an elite quarterback

14:42

in this league in their prime and outdueled

14:44

him, it just doesn't happen much. So I'm

14:46

watching Trevor Lawrence yesterday in London

14:49

just sling that puppy all over the yard.

14:51

I'm watching Joe Burrow pick apart

14:53

Arizona throw for three hundred and something

14:56

yards touchdowns with a bad old line.

14:58

I'm watching two as bad game this year

15:00

be three hundred yards. Dak has

15:03

become the definition of average leading.

15:05

He has a one zero three passer rating trailing

15:07

at sixty three. He's he's

15:10

just not a guy that can, after you fall behind,

15:13

bring anything to the table. So Dak

15:15

doesn't even to me anyway, pass the eye

15:17

test anymore. His ball accuracy,

15:20

his ball velocity, He's

15:22

no longer mobile. He doesn't pass the

15:24

eye test. And then there's Mike McCarthy,

15:26

and I mean, we don't want to beat up on him, but I

15:29

always think this, what

15:31

is Dallas's offense? Offensive

15:33

coaches like to show off.

15:37

McVeigh sometimes can overthink the room,

15:40

right, Mike McDaniel can almost get too

15:42

clever for his own good. Like offensive

15:45

coaches, they got more tricks

15:47

than defensive guys. They love to show off.

15:49

You see it with San Francisco and Miami.

15:52

By the way, Shane Steichen is using Gardner

15:54

Minshew to win games. He is a great play

15:56

caller. You see it with Ben Johnson

15:58

and the Lions, Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh

16:01

Miami, Arthur Smith

16:03

is winning games with Desmond Ritter and

16:06

showing off and giving you tricks. Dak

16:10

and McCarthy, What is that?

16:13

What are you? It

16:15

doesn't pass the eye test, And so

16:17

Dallas isn't clever. They're not dynamic,

16:20

they're not fun, and they're not showing

16:22

off. They're boring. It's

16:25

a boring, dull offense with

16:27

one really really talented wide receiver.

16:30

So I you know, Aaron Rodgers, I can

16:32

have disagreements with him, but you know he

16:34

was right on that this offense is a bit

16:36

of an eye roll. There's just nothing to

16:38

it. And I was thinking about this this morning driving

16:41

in, is that the NFL has

16:43

gotten really smart, really

16:46

fast. It was almost like Baseball the movie

16:48

Moneyball. The game

16:51

in Baseball got really smart with analytics

16:53

really fast, and a lot of the old scouts

16:56

sounded like dim bulbs in the money

16:58

and Moneyball, remember that movie. Some

17:00

of those old scouts sitting at the table relics

17:03

Jurassic Dinosaurs. This

17:05

game has gotten really smart, really fast.

17:08

Mike McDaniel, Shanahan McVeigh,

17:11

Nick SARIANI shocking Ben

17:13

Johnson, like there, I mean this Shane

17:15

Stiken, guy, he's winning with Gardner Minshew.

17:17

I watched the Colt yesterday and I'm like, he

17:20

may call as good a game as anybody in this league

17:23

could with Gardner Minshew, and they're

17:25

winning games. It's good

17:27

teams. And so here

17:29

was McCarthy, who hasn't kept

17:31

up after.

17:33

You know, the biggest thing is for you know, us to be accountable.

17:38

It was clearly humbling, but

17:41

it is one game. You know, start with me.

17:43

I didn't do good job the night. We will clearly acknowledge

17:46

it. And I'm not a burn to take guy. I think

17:48

that's a crooked. They played extremely

17:50

well and we did not.

17:52

And here's the thing we could. I could blame Dak

17:54

all day. I've never been a huge Dak guy. I've

17:56

said he's pretty good, he's BB plus guy.

17:58

For years. I've said Dak is Kirk Cousins

18:00

with a better brand, and I've said that forever.

18:03

He's a little more mobile than Kirk Cousins

18:05

in his probame much more mobile, but doesn't throw

18:07

us pretty a ball and as accurate as Kirk

18:09

Cousins. But their stats are about the same thing.

18:12

One's the coach, the Cowboy

18:14

quarterback, one's the Viking quarterback. And

18:16

the Vikings are always seemingly in the shadow of

18:19

the Packers. So even in their own division,

18:22

the Bears Monsters of Midway

18:24

and the Bears the ninety five Bears

18:26

and the Bears Great Bears Tea,

18:28

and then there's Far and there's Aaron Rodgers, and there's

18:30

the Vikings their stable. So even in

18:32

their own division, they don't get a lot of love, right, And

18:35

so the Cowboys are a bigger brand, and Dak

18:37

to a large degree, as Kirk Cousins, who nobody likes

18:39

until the Netflix series. Now everybody likes him.

18:42

We like Dak, but in these

18:44

big spots, he

18:47

looks second tier. Here he is after.

18:50

Didn't see it coming, as you said, put everything into

18:52

this and got punched in the mouth. Called

18:55

a couple of weeks ago humbling against Arizona,

18:59

but this maybe the most humbling game I've ever been

19:01

a part of. Felt

19:03

good about the preparation, felt good about everything

19:06

honestly coming into this game, matchups, and

19:09

they beat us in every aspect.

19:11

For the record, if Dak had Shanahan,

19:14

he would be better. I don't think he'd be as

19:16

good as Brock Purtty because I don't think he throws the ball that

19:18

well. But some of this is

19:20

the setup. Games

19:23

gotten smart. It's gotten smart offensively

19:25

very fast. The rules benefit the offense,

19:28

and offensive coaches love to show off,

19:30

sometimes to their own detriment. I would love

19:32

to see Mike McCarthy show off. Not

19:34

run a quarterback draw with seventeen seconds

19:36

and argue we practiced it a million

19:39

times. It gives you at least three seconds on

19:41

that. I'd like

19:43

to see some showing off, please. I

19:45

know humility is important in life, but

19:48

a little showing off, a little dynamic, a

19:50

little fun, not Micah leading the way every

19:52

week. Jmack with a news.

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Let's go to a positive story. A lot of beating up this

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morning.

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I know, let's be positive.

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Coward just hammering away, but it's warranted,

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all right, Let's start with the Eagles. Jalen Hurts was

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phenomenal against the Rams, season

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high fifteen carries, seventy two rushing yards,

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got in the end zone.

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For a touchdown, through for three hundred three yards. AJ

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Brown had a great catch. Well, Hurts was just a

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warrior. Look at that run.

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I wanted to cover so bad and it got therefore. Look

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at that runs man and the brotherly shove

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is just automatic.

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This team is very good. Five and zero.

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It almost feels like there's still a little

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disrespect about the Eagles.

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Well, for some reason, people don't think they're I

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feel like the Niners last night, that's

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their A plus game. It would be hard to

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play better than San Francisco. I feel

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Philadelphia's five and zero and I've yet

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to see an a game. I've seen an a half.

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Even there, Jalen had a pick, I

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didn't. I mean, they were a much better team

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than the Rams, but they really should have closed that out

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middle third. They were dominating

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time of possession. I feel like Philadelphia

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even great teams. Last year Chiefs won the

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Super Bow, had a bad game against the Colts

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and lost. Philadelphia's

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had bad halves, bad series. They have yet

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to play a great game. Yesterday was not a

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great game. Hurts at times was spectacular.

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Their all lines just, I

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mean, just incredible. Their old line is

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so dominating. But what's scary

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about Philadelphia is they lost Shansteich

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and you can tell they're getting better every week.

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They're kind of course correcting here, figuring out

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what to do. But they are so

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dominant in the trenches. It

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just doesn't matter if they play well in the perimeter.

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You could have five drop passes and two drop

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picks, They're still going to dominate you

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in the trenches.

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They can beat you so many ways.

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They had DeAndre Swift member against the Vikings, had like one

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hundred and seventy five yards rushing.

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Yesterday was a Dallas Goddard game.

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He emerged aj Brown's doing things

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Hurts. This

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team only went two and six in the red zone yesterday,

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or this is like a twenty one point victory. Right, Rams

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in the second half, nothing calling zero

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points down. I don't want to go in on McVeigh here,

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but this is like the third second half where they

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just haven't shown up. Remember against the Niners they played

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good first half, second half nothing Colts

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twenty twenty one, nothing, second

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half nothing, They got lucky in overtime. They

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did nothing in the second half. Stafford sack they believe

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four times. Are

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they just running out of gas like the Rams are?

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Okay, I think the

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Rams look like a really well coached

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team with a severe personnel

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issues. On the defensive side, they have Aaron

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Donald got banged up, so they

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just they don't have They're just a bunch of kids. I think they've

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drafted well. They've got interesting pieces. But

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if they can't redo Stafford's contract

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and bring on some help, I

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think they're just going to be limited. I think I think mcveigh's

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had a remarkable year of coaching.

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He comes out of the gates strong and well prepared.

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Absolutely, they probably, you know, I know

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they were looking at Jonathan Taylor, who

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signed an extension with the Colts. They

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want to get a power back. They

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need to tweak some of their offensive line.

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They need to go get another edge rusher. They've

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got some really good young pieces. But the difference

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between this game and these

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two teams, Philadelphia's got

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veterans, they have men, rams

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are young. There are a lot of kids

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on that defense. And they played really

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hard. They really did to stay in that game until the very

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end. They played really hard. But you were looking at

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a super Bowl team and a team that's largely

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rebuilding their roster on the defensive side.

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How about Jill and Carter the rookie two

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sacks. He is a menace inside,

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looks like a totally dominant player. Next

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up, Cincinnati Bengals finally emerge

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from the slumber that has been all season, and

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it was a Jamar Chase game coming. Oh wow, the

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guy who remember last week. After the game, he's

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like, I'm always e fing open and then he comes look

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at us. I mean just running wild. He

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had fifteen catches of nineteen

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targets for nearly two hundred yards. It was

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Ona had two guys in the Enzo chasing still

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got open.

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I'll tell you this, Joe Burrow looked

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like old Joe Burrow.

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He just looked good.

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I'll poke some holes in the Bengals in a moment, But here

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they are Jamar Chase after the win.

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I mean, we're just taking a step closer to who we really are.

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You know, like I said, we keep facing adversity this year.

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This is not gonna be easy season. And

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you know right now we're just taking step by step until the next

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week. We already know what we just capable below from jump,

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but you know, definitely facing adversity

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from jump. And you know, right now we're just getting

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that getting that wagon going again and moving forward.

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They look good like this, you know, in that division, it's

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funny. So Cleveland has the best defense

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with Pittsburgh. Baltimore's

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good. They have the best quarterback arguably

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with Lamar. But I watched Cincinnati yesterday

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and and I thought to myself, if you had a round robin

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tournament in that division, starting now,

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I take Cincinnati.

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They're in last, but you're right, starting now is the key

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way.

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I thought Burrow looked great.

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He did, but it's it's Arizona.

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Well, Arizona thumped, by the way

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thumped Dallas. So how bad Arizona.

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Not all of us think hily about Dallas, but

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a quick word on Arizona.

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So they fought hard, right.

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They've been in games when

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they lose a turnover battle three to one, they have no chance.

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Okay, their defense is I mean, they couldn't guard

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to Marchas there was no t Higgins and

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Chase is still run wide open. I'll

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just say this, if you look at the schedule, James Connor

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went down yesterday, that's bad news. I

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know we talked about Arizona not tanking, but they're

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gonna be one of the worst teams in the league despite how

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hard they play. They're gonna get back

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in this Caleb Williams thing pretty soon. We

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know Carolina's bad. But by the way, Caleb

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Williams Saturday night, I don't know if we're gonna.

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Get You need

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him in the NFL. I'm telling I don't

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want to go off.

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I had, I had.

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He's amazing.

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An NFL general manager

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text me Sunday morning and

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he said fans may beat up on Caleb

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Williams because he had a choppy first half.

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He said he's a better version of Andrew Luck. He

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said USC's personnel offensively,

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they don't have a dominant receiver. They

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have good backs, not great backs. The O line

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is okay, he goes USC's

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brand is big. You think their players are better.

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He's like Washington's got better receivers,

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Oregon's got better pass rushers.

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It's like Caleb Williams is doing an Andrew

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Luck. There's some NFL bodies around, but

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that second half an overtime was

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incredible. And he's only

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six feet tall. He bulldozed

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linebackers like that guy is special.

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He walks into the league.

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He's a top twenty quarterback in top may maybe

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probably not higher, probably higher.

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But I think he's a top ten quarterback.

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Andrew Louck walked in.

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We'll do that later, but you got to bump somebody out of the top

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ten, and the top ten is pretty stacked right now. I'm just saying,

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if I'm Arizona, you lose this game, Bengals

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look pretty good.

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I start Operation Tank and I'm going

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all in for Killable. I mean, he's that good final

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story.

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How about Patrick Mahomes calling twenty seven

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to twenty victory over the Viking.

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In this throw? This was ridiculous.

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Well it was a steal there.

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Wow to throw it on the back

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foot.

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Yeah, listen, Chiefs

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looked pretty good. I didn't think it was amazing

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An amazing performance, a nice wins

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is now beating all the thirty one teams.

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He's running forward and throwing

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it.

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Yeah, he's been insane, the bad he can't

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find sky more on my fantasy team.

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He's only, oh my gosh, is that right?

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Twenty eight old, the youngest quarterback

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ever to beat every team in the league.

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Chiefs are starting to

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get.

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You know where he is very much like Caleb Williams.

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Both of them mechanically can get

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a little into the into the weeds, but

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they both self correct pretty well. But

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Caleb and Patrick, when

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you showed those highlights of Kansas City a

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couple and the first of all, this throw is impossible.

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That's that's forty five yards in the air, backpeddling.

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Most guys throw that, they get showed out for that.

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But there's a throw he'll throw here where he's

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running forward and your body

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mechanics like like, watch this, he's

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running forward, slings it sidearm. That

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throw is insane.

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I need to give a couple of words to the Chiefs defense.

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Did you see what they did to.

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Justin Jefferson before he left with the hamstring. So

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Spagnola had a great plan. He's like We're gonna blitz

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the hell out of Kirk Cousins. We're gonna jam Jefferson

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at the line and sneed like physically beat up

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justin. Jefferson couldn't do anything. I

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think he had three catches for like twenty something

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yards.

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And the kid.

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McDuffie, you go to Washington, Yeah, Trent McDuffie,

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he is amazing this.

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This Kansas City defense.

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Is very They have done a really good

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job. And you can see what Kansas City's doing.

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They're going to pay a dominant defensive lineman

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and then they they're going to spend their money on offense,

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the opposite of the Steelers, and we know

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how it works out. So when I watch them,

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I just see they look really fast

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defensively and when young guys are

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faster than old guys. And they also when they get hurt,

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they heal faster. So Kansas

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City's just got waves of speed here. They've

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drafted really well and a lot of these guys are fourth,

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fifth, sixth. It's fun to watch.

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Yeah, and they have Denver in a short week this

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week Thursday night football?

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Who's that? You know when you watch London

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games? So I watched the Jags Bills. I'm

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starting to really like London games, but I didn't like him

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game. Well, I didn't like him for years

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because I'm like, I like to like, move into my game,

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get a workout in. But you know, there are

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worse combinations than strong coffee

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and football. And I'm sitting there watching the game, and

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whenever I see a London game or a Thursday night

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game, one team is

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off. Buffalo just felt off.

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Thursday night game, Washington felt

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off. One team gets it together, travels

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but for whatever reason, like Washington wasn't rested

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enough off the lost of Philadelphia. And I

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thought, Buffalo, you know, Jacksonville been sitting

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there. I imagine they stayed overseas. They're

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sitting there wed for their

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prey. Buffalo comes over, gets

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off a plane in Jacksonville. And it wasn't

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a beautiful game. But Trevor Lawrence, dude,

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it's starting to click in jackson.

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Did you even hear a Buffalo player said Josh

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Allen looked like sleepy head or he was joking

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around about it.

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But they start the game with four punts like Buffalo.

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It weren't ready. Yeah, And I listen, the

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NFL is gonna take money from

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streaming companies like Amazon. I get it,

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it's here to stay. Do I think the quality

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of those games is good? No, ask Al Michaels.

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It's not. It's usually not because

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one team like is just at a they're

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at a disadvantage. Washington was at a total

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physical disadvantage against the Bears, and

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I think overseas, I thought Buffalo just wasn't

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ready. They just weren't ready to go.

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So it'll be interesting.

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I was not that the herd hierarchies

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in my head, but I'm watching Buffalo.

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I'm like, how is that the number one team in the league?

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Or is this just a blip, a random money off.

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We just have to come to terms with this.

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Is that Buffalo has a defensive

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coach like Pittsburgh, like

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Pete Carroll. Defensive coaches,

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your teams are. They're motivators. They

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play with great energy and passion. The

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offensive coaches and the offensive

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leaning teams are more consistent week

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to week. The defensive teams

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are. They're roller coasters when the emotion's

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high, when they're healthy, when they take

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a lead, they played downhill. This

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is what Buffalo has been for three four years now.

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On their best they blow out

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Miami, and then six days later

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they look ill prepared because they're still

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offensively very Josh.

30:52

Allen rolot, they had their worst run game since twenty

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fourteen yesterday, so the run game is still an

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issue. And I'll just say this, the Milano injury, well

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that's a big days White.

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I don't think the.

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Best corner, best linebacker out.

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I don't think this is a super Bowl team. No, I think you're right.

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I just too many injuries.

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Well, again, with a defensive culture and

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coach, this has to be the backbone,

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right, Like Josh Allen's great, they're gonna win a

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lot of games suffocating people defensively, best

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linebacker out, best corner out, not the same football.

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They put the old safety on Calvin Ridley

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trying to end the game, and Ridley just cooked him.

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I'm like, I'm out on Buffalo

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going to the super Bowl. I just don't see it happening.

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I think I got too much sleep last night. I

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don't sleep eight and a half hours watch through oh

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Man going one hundred miles an hour today, So thirty

32:53

four to nothing Saints over New

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England, and everybody, of course is blaming Mac

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Jones and that's fine, but it's

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time to also start

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asking questions about Bill Belichick.

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They drafted three guards and two kickers,

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as the slowest receiving unit in the NFL.

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They overspent and over committed to Juju

33:15

Smith Schuster. They re signed

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DeVante Parker. That can't separate. They

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can't draft tight ends, so they

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overspend for them. That's not mac

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jones fault. Belichick

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has too much power, and Belichick, the GM

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is failing. Belichick the head coach. And

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I've been on this for years. Belichick

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as a historian. He slobbers

33:35

over nineteen sixty three linebacker

33:38

play. He's a historian.

33:40

He's not a revolutionary.

33:42

He is Ken Burns. He is not Steve

33:45

Jobs. This is a guy

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that gets misty eyed talking about long

33:49

snappers. He was asked a

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question about long snappers and kickers

33:54

a couple of years ago. He went ten minutes

33:56

straight and fifteen hundred words. That's

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who Belichick is. He's one. Brady

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hit a lot of that. Brady did the offense,

34:04

and so did Josh McDaniels, and Dante's Scarnekia.

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They're all gone and Bill

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is unraveling. Mac

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Jones didn't draft three guards. And two kickers.

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They have no receivers that can

34:16

separate, and yet they sign

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and re sign guys who can't.

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Okay, Belichick. Post

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Tom was

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overcoming Belichick the GM

34:29

for a few years, and now he can't.

34:32

He didn't have any players. And

34:34

when the few that are really good, Christian

34:36

Gonzalez or Matt Judon gets hurt, they

34:38

got nobody. I mean, the Dolphins are scoring

34:40

seventy points. New

34:43

England doesn't have a receiver on the roster, an

34:45

elite receiver who separates, and

34:47

a lot of it's hubris. And this happens

34:50

all the time. There's three things

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to me that have really

34:54

exposed Belichick. Number one, he lost Brady.

34:57

Duh. This happens when quarterbacks

35:00

who are great leave. Coaches gotta

35:02

go find a new one. Ask Miami, Denver.

35:04

It's hard to replace a Marino or Elway. Green

35:07

Bay did it with Farv. It's almost impossible

35:10

Colts that it would luck to Peyton. Manning didn't

35:12

last long, so he lost Brady. The

35:14

NFL also pivoted to offense, so the

35:16

things you could do fifteen years ago ten

35:18

years ago, you can't. And then Bill got

35:21

arrogant a defensive

35:23

coordinator is offensive coordinator

35:25

Bill got arrogant and

35:27

I see that all the time. But if you watch Andy Reid's

35:30

teams and Kyle Shanahan's teams, I

35:32

mean they run circles around the Patriots. Miami's

35:35

averaging thirty six points a game. New England's

35:37

averaging eleven. And here's the

35:39

other thing is that if you were a linebacker,

35:41

we always view the quarterback differently and pay

35:43

them differently. But if you were an edge rusher with some

35:46

talent, a linebacker with talent with

35:48

Belichick, you'd get better every year. Why

35:51

is Mac Jones getting worse every year?

35:54

Is he getting less talented? I

35:56

mean his rookie year, he completed sixty

35:58

eight percent of his throat and had an ninety two and a

36:00

half passer rating. It was ten and seven. Why

36:03

is he getting worse? Because what's

36:05

around him is getting worse. He's

36:09

a revolutionary, right, That's what you need.

36:11

That's what Andy Reid is and Shanahan and McVeigh,

36:13

they're revolutionaries. They're changing the game,

36:16

Mike McDaniel, that's

36:18

what happens when a culture changes. You need a

36:20

visionary who can see around corners. That's

36:23

not what Bill is. He's a historian. You

36:25

hear him talking about guys that played in the seventies,

36:28

eighties, and nineties. His dad was big. I

36:30

think in scouting he's an he's

36:32

an academic and a historian. He's

36:34

not going to reinvent the wheel. They just

36:37

don't. And so you can you

36:39

can bang on mac Jones and obviously

36:41

he's got a low ceiling. But even Bill yesterday

36:43

acknowledged they're ready to start from

36:46

scratch.

36:47

Well, we got to find a way to playing, coach better

36:49

than that met So I's going

36:52

to start all over and.

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Get back on a better tracking round.

36:57

Right now, Coach, when so many things go wrong,

36:59

where do you start?

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What?

37:00

Where do you prioritize fixing the problems?

37:03

Yea, That's what I just said.

37:04

And start over?

37:05

You said you guys need to start over.

37:08

Have you ever had to do that before five games

37:11

in the season, just for reference, I mean, this

37:13

is something new.

37:14

Yeah, I've done before.

37:16

What does that entail?

37:18

Starting over?

37:20

Starting over?

37:23

All?

37:23

Right?

37:23

Let's talk college football. I thought Texas would

37:25

beat Oklahoma. They beat them last year forty

37:28

nine to nothing, and Oklahoma came focused,

37:30

They out coached them, out prepared them, and outplayed

37:33

them. It felt like it was Oklahoma's

37:36

day, even though it came down to the final play for

37:38

the Sooners, it feels very good you were

37:40

humiliated last year. But here's

37:42

the reality. Neither one is

37:45

probably gonna face a ranked team the rest

37:47

of the way, and they're gonna They're gonna play again, and

37:50

the Longhorns roster all take that and

37:52

revenge now will flip to Texas's

37:55

side. Texas outgained them.

37:57

Texas probably wouldn't have three turn rovers

37:59

if they played again. In Texas lost on the

38:01

final play, they'll be favored in the

38:03

next game to win. And so this

38:05

was a you know, Texas also beat

38:08

Bama on the road. Oklahoma

38:10

doesn't have that kind of win. So when they face the

38:13

next time, if Texas

38:15

wins, Oklahoma's in the Allible Bowl.

38:20

Texas has a big road win. That's the advantage

38:22

of scheduling that and not having Cupcake City.

38:24

So when Oklahoma plays the next time,

38:27

all the pressures on Oklahoma. Texas

38:29

beat Bama and loses on the final play

38:31

to Oklahoma. If they beat Oklahoma

38:34

in any fashion with the win on the road

38:36

and losing only on the last played to Oklahoma,

38:38

they'll be in the playoff so that the

38:41

season is not lost for Texas. I would

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argue, I'd take their roster right now and

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their quarterback, believe it or not, and

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the offensive coach and revenge is

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a factor. And the win over Bama

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Texas is fine. They just got to win the rest of the

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games and they'll be favored heavily in all of them. But

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this Oklahoma scaled schedule by

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not scheduling a big dog that next

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time they play them, they gotta win that thing.

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Texas. Texas has to win two. But

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I to me, Oklahoma with a loss

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cannot get into the playoff. Texas can. They

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lost at the right time early in the season. They're

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probably gonna face them again. I mean, don't get

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me wrong. It

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was a great, great last drive

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by Oklahoma. Brent and Venables

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had a hell of a day. They out prepared them,

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and they deserve to win. But we're in episode

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five and we got like six

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left. We're only

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forty percent through succession. We're

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not close to the end. Here, take

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a deep breath, ohk

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here with Sark after the loss.

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The promising thing is, I know we can play better

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than we played today, and we will, but

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we need to coach better. Proud of the guys, proud of

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the way they battled and competed. But

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we need to play better football if we want

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to be the team that I know we're capable of being. I

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thought our guys showed a lot of fight and grit and

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resiliency to put ourselves in position

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to win a game when we weren't it our best against

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a good football team.

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Yeah, it's okay. You're allowed to lose to

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Oklahoma thirty four to thirty.

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They're gonna face them again. The

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likelihood they're gonna face them again and they'll

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have revenge on their side. Texas

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is fine. Oklahoma's better than I thought. Take

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a deep breath. This is just episode

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four. There's about five six more episodes to go.