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is Arnold Schwarzenegger, and this is

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High Performance, the show that unlocks the minds

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of some of the most fascinating people on

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and on this show we learn from the

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stories, struggles and successes of our guests, allowing

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us all to explore, be challenged and

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to grow. And today we're going to explore

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the life of a man who's been voted one

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of the 100 most influential people on

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the planet. In his heyday,

1:29

he was the highest paid actor in the world,

1:31

three times Mr. Universe. As

1:33

the governor of California, he was

1:35

responsible for the world's fifth largest economy.

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How has he done it? What's

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he learned? And what's next for

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the one and only Arnie? I hope

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welcome to London, to welcome to

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all of you, the one,

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the only, Arnold

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Schwarzenegger. Great,

4:11

great energy in here. I love it. I

4:13

love it. So

4:16

I just want to say right off the top,

4:20

and I'll thank you to the

4:22

publishers, Penguin, to

4:25

organize this event here. And

4:28

thank you, Jake, for

4:31

giving us your evening and

4:34

interviewing me here. You

4:37

are a very, very successful

4:39

podcaster and sport broadcaster,

4:41

and you've done so many wonderful things in

4:43

your life. So I really appreciate your time

4:45

that you're giving us here today. So thank

4:47

you very much. Let's give him a big

4:49

hand. Oh, he's very kind. We're being here

4:51

today. No, thank you. Thank you. That's

4:59

incredibly kind of you. You know, I was

5:01

reminded just when we heard, ah, no, ah,

5:03

no, ringing around the Palladium. You know, all

5:05

those years after you would have sat in

5:07

your bedroom and dreamed of being

5:09

the world's greatest bodybuilder with a crowd chanting

5:12

your name. Here we are,

5:14

all these years later, and the same thing is still happening.

5:16

It has been some journey, hasn't it? It

5:18

has been, and the interesting thing is it

5:21

reminds me somewhat here this

5:23

evening of

5:25

1966, when

5:29

I came to London the first time as

5:31

a 19-year-old boy to compete

5:34

in the Mr. Universe competition at the

5:37

Victoria Palace, which

5:40

is a theater that still exists.

5:43

It was packed, and people

5:45

were screaming. I

5:48

was 19 years old, but I was the only one

5:50

in the competition that had like a 20-inch arm. And

5:54

so they never saw a 19-year-old kid having

5:56

20-inch arms. And

5:59

so when I hit my double- of a bicep pose, people

6:01

were just standing up and screaming, Arnold,

6:03

Arnold, Arnold. And it was like

6:06

really unbelievable for a 19-year-old kid

6:08

to go kind of like abroad and to

6:10

go to England. First time that

6:13

it was on an airplane flying, coming

6:16

over here. It was like

6:18

really my bodybuilding career started

6:21

really in England. And

6:24

this is where I won the first big,

6:26

big competitions like that. It got me to

6:28

America to fulfill one of

6:30

my dreams besides being a bodybuilding

6:32

champion and all that. So I

6:34

have fond memories of England and

6:37

of London and of the

6:39

kind of reception that it got here. So

6:41

it's great to be back here again after

6:43

all this time and over and over. Wonderful.

6:49

Let's talk then about Be Useful,

6:51

Seven Tools for Life. Your new book, everyone in

6:53

the auditorium this evening has a copy of the

6:55

new book. So we're looking forward to you all

6:57

leaving here tonight, being very useful for the rest

6:59

of your lives, taking on Arnie's

7:01

advice. What inspired you to write this

7:03

book? It was something

7:06

that I never dreamt of. And

7:09

I never ever thought

7:11

that I'm going to do motivational

7:13

speeches or write a motivational book

7:16

or anything like that. My dreams were to be

7:19

a bodybuilding champion, become the greatest

7:21

bodybuilder of all times and

7:23

kind of emulate my idol, Reg

7:25

Park, who was from Leeds, England,

7:28

who was on a big screen playing Hercules.

7:30

So I saw that as a kid. So

7:32

that's what I wanted to be, another Reg

7:34

Park. And to

7:37

go to America, get

7:39

into movies and be rich and famous.

7:42

And becoming governor of the

7:45

great state of California. That

7:48

was not a dream of mine, but then there

7:50

was a recall election and that jumped in and

7:53

became governor of California.

7:57

And to fight for the

7:59

environment. was not something

8:01

that I was ever dreaming of doing, right? And...

8:08

so then I became governor and all of a

8:10

sudden I found out that there is a tremendous

8:12

danger in the world that

8:15

we have this unbelievable increase

8:18

in pollution. And that

8:20

pollution kills seven million people a year.

8:22

So I said to myself, oh my

8:25

God, well we are the fifth largest economy

8:27

in the world. I think

8:29

that we are a powerful state, we can

8:31

do something about it and have an impact.

8:33

And so I became really passionate about that

8:35

subject and kind of fanatic about it. So

8:37

this is not something that I dreamt of doing,

8:39

but I did. I started getting into it. And

8:41

the same is with this. It's

8:44

like, you know, more and more people started coming

8:46

to me for advice. And

8:48

more and more universities started

8:51

asking me to give commencement

8:53

speeches after the kids

8:55

graduate. And I always thought

8:57

that I should give them like a few points of

9:00

what makes you successful when you

9:02

go out in the world after college. And

9:04

they became huge hits. And

9:06

people said, you should do a book. And

9:08

so that's what I did. I sat down and I

9:10

started writing it down and started writing and writing and

9:12

writing and writing. And you

9:15

know, here it is. It was like, I said to myself,

9:18

the things that I have learned, I mean

9:21

you have to imagine the kind of things that

9:23

I've done and the

9:25

things that you do in the gym when you work

9:27

out and the things

9:29

that you learn in sports alone and

9:32

lifting. You know, just

9:34

to give you an example, to have

9:37

a vision. When I look

9:39

back and they say, how did I get

9:41

so fanatic about bodybuilding and how did I

9:43

end up training five hours

9:45

a day? And

9:47

why did I enjoy working

9:49

out and torturing myself? Why

9:53

did I look forward to the next

9:55

thousand reps of sit-ups? Why

9:57

did I look forward to doing more research?

10:00

reps to be 600 pounds in a squat.

10:03

And then I realized it was because I had

10:05

a goal. I had a

10:07

vision. It was right in front of me. It

10:10

was fantastic. I saw myself as

10:12

another Reg Park, my idol on

10:15

that stage in London at

10:17

the Mr. Universe contest and also winning just

10:19

like him and that

10:22

seeing that very clearly in front of

10:24

me and having that goal motivated me,

10:26

I didn't even need discipline. I

10:28

tell people always, I don't have that much discipline.

10:31

It's just that I had such joy chasing that.

10:34

And so I couldn't wait to do another rep.

10:36

I couldn't wait to do another set and to

10:38

lift another weight to get to that and to

10:40

turn that vision, the reality. And then when there

10:42

was 20 years old, I did. So

10:44

I wrote about that in the first chapter in

10:47

the book about how important it is that you

10:49

can have the best airplane in the world. But

10:52

if the pilot does not know where to

10:54

go, you're going to eventually crash. You're

10:56

going to run out of fuel and you crash. And this is

10:58

what happens to a lot of people's

11:01

life. Their life

11:03

ends up crashing and they're

11:06

depressed and they're down because

11:08

they don't know really what they're chasing. And

11:11

so this is why I'm a big believer in having

11:13

a goal that you're chasing, whatever

11:15

that goal may be. It

11:17

doesn't matter. It's like a medical student that

11:20

says, I want to become a doctor.

11:22

It's much more fun for him to go

11:24

to university then and to study in the

11:26

chemistry lessons and math lessons and English

11:28

lessons and, you know, kind of pre-med classes

11:31

because he knows what he's going after.

11:33

He's going to become a doctor maybe 14

11:35

years from now, but still he's going to

11:37

become a doctor eventually. When I got

11:39

into movies, I

11:41

had a very clear vision to be another Clint Eastwood.

11:45

Yeah. I said to myself, well, wait a minute, Charles

11:47

Branson. This is

11:50

in the seventies now. Charles

11:52

Branson and Clint Eastwood

11:54

made a million dollars a movie. Let's

11:58

tell him, is that that sounds good. I

12:01

said, why shouldn't I make a million

12:04

dollars? So of course I went and

12:06

I tried to convince Hollywood. I

12:09

said, look, I'm a bodybuilding champion. I

12:11

just did the movie Pumping Iron. I

12:13

want to get into movies. And

12:16

they said, you're crazy. He

12:19

says, I know you want to do

12:21

Hercules movies or something like that. You

12:23

talked about Reg Park, Steve Reeves.

12:26

Well the 60s are over. This is the 70s. In

12:30

the 70s, you're way too big. And

12:34

they tried to convince me that

12:36

I'm too big. That

12:38

Dustin Hoffman and

12:44

Al Pacino and

12:46

Woody Allen, these are the new sex symbols.

12:52

So I

12:54

said to myself, okay. I

12:57

understand that that particular ladder is very

12:59

hard to climb. But

13:02

I saw it for me to become a leading

13:04

man in movies and be a movie star. I

13:07

saw it. So I

13:09

created my own ladder. Because

13:11

of that vision, I was

13:13

able to do another thing that I talk

13:15

about in the book which is don't listen

13:17

to the naysayers. How

13:20

many people are saying no? You

13:25

can't do this. This is

13:27

impossible. No. So this is

13:29

what I heard. And I said to myself, I'm not

13:31

going to pay any attention to this guys. They're

13:34

fucking idiots. I mean, you

13:37

know, I'm just, what does

13:39

he know about my goal? I want to be a leading

13:42

man. And the guy said to me, he says, yeah, but

13:44

look at your accent. We barely can understand you. I said,

13:46

I know. I

13:49

should get my money back from a speech

13:51

coach. From

13:54

an accent removal coach. But

13:58

he said to me, this doesn't work. And so

14:00

there was all the excuses, my name is

14:02

too long, Schwertzen, Schnitzel, whatever his name is,

14:05

you know, what the hell? I mean, you're not

14:07

gonna go and be able to sell you. He

14:09

says, forget about this course. I mean, this is

14:11

the kind of stuff that I went through. But

14:14

because I had a clear vision, it worked. And

14:16

because I didn't listen to the naysayers, it worked.

14:18

And so those are the kind of things I

14:20

experienced. And this is how I

14:22

climbed up to the top. How do you create

14:24

the time and the space to

14:26

find what your vision is? Because we should all have

14:28

one. Whether it's having huge ambitions like being an actor,

14:30

or whether it's just waking up in the morning happier.

14:33

It's a vision, right? Well, I

14:35

think the most important thing is that

14:37

vision is connected with passion. So you

14:39

have to find your passion. Turn

14:42

off the phone. Turn

14:44

off the computer, the iPad, all

14:47

of those things. Because too

14:49

many people today, not

14:52

just young people, but people in general, they

14:55

are too long, too

14:57

many hours, and those with

14:59

I call machines. I

15:02

say machines because having done the Terminator

15:04

movie. But they are glued to those machines. I

15:12

say, screw everyone else's story. I

15:15

say, you got to find you a story. What

15:17

is you a story? That is

15:19

what you have to look for. What is you a

15:21

story? What do you want to be known for? What

15:24

impact are you gonna make on yourself and

15:26

on the world? And so

15:28

this is what I'm talking about here in

15:30

this book. It is find the time. I

15:33

found it because I didn't have any of those

15:35

things. We didn't even have a phone at home.

15:37

We didn't have a television at home. We had

15:39

nothing. So I had time to think about, and

15:42

I've realized that I'm really passionate about being an

15:44

athlete. I was always very active. And

15:47

then I realized that my talent is in weightlifting,

15:50

in Olympic lifting, and then in bodybuilding,

15:52

and powerlifting, and all those things. So

15:55

I found my passion. And then because

15:58

of that interest, Then

16:00

I saw the Hercules movies and

16:02

that really turned me on. And

16:04

now I saw it in front of me. I said, that's what I want

16:06

to be. So it's something that has

16:09

to do directly related with passion. And

16:11

then when you see that, seeing,

16:14

believing, achieving. Remember

16:17

that. When you see that, you

16:19

believe in it. So I had

16:21

always that faith, 100% faith

16:24

that I'm going to get there. No matter what

16:26

anyone said. Of course my parents said, you're sick

16:28

in the head. What's the matter with our son?

16:31

You know, my mother thought I was gay. I

16:35

mean, what the hell? She came into my bedroom

16:37

and she says, why are all this naked men

16:39

hanging on a wall above your

16:42

bed? Look

16:44

at them all and they are oiled up. All

16:50

your friends are honored. Half

16:52

girls hanging above their bed and

16:54

you have men. What

16:57

is going on here? So she

16:59

called the doctor, our house doctor. Yeah,

17:02

because our house doctor, you know how it is

17:04

in those little villages. There's no psychiatrist or anything

17:06

like that. So then you call the house doctor.

17:09

So she called the house doctor. He came home

17:11

to our house and he looked at the wall.

17:15

And he finally told my mother, no, this is

17:17

quite normal. When kids get to be 14, 15

17:19

years old, they want to look at idols and

17:21

they want to emulate and they want to kind

17:23

of copy them and all this stuff. You know,

17:25

the testosterone is shooting in there and they want

17:28

to grow and they want to get strong and

17:30

they want to get tough and all this stuff.

17:32

So it's quite normal. Don't worry about it. And

17:34

my mother finally stopped crying, you know, because she

17:36

thought I'm going totally south on this whole thing.

17:38

So I mean, I had to convince my parents.

17:41

My father said, they said, what are you doing

17:44

with this weightlifting? Are you crazy? This

17:46

is when he said, be useful. Sinuslic.

17:52

Sinuslic, Arnold. The

17:55

rouse. Scrambled

17:57

me and said what he was telling me. was

18:00

that in order to get muscles, I

18:02

should go and chop wood. For

18:05

the old lady next door to us, it was 80

18:07

years old. He says, chop wood,

18:09

and then you're helping her, and

18:11

then you're useful. And

18:14

then you get muscles at the same time. That's

18:16

what you should do, not just thinking about yourself

18:18

and looking in the mirror, looking at yourself all

18:20

the time, and just, you know, what

18:22

you call sub-fehili-hung. You know, like you're

18:24

kind of idolizing yourself. You're looking in

18:26

the mirror. You're a narcissist. So

18:29

this is what I went through just to show to

18:31

you. It was not that easy, the path. But

18:34

I did find people, a trainer, that

18:36

believed in me, and, you know,

18:39

mentors and coaches and stuff like that, and

18:41

training partners that helped me. And

18:44

that's why I'm here today, because they helped me.

18:46

But my parents were not supportive at all. And

18:48

people around me, there were a lot of people

18:50

that were very negative about my bodybuilding career, about

18:53

my going to America,

18:56

and even when I ran for governor. They

18:58

said, Arne, are you nuts? Running

19:01

for governor, why don't you run first for mayor? I

19:04

said, because I don't want to be mayor. Why

19:07

would I be running for mayor? I don't want

19:09

to go into a political career. I

19:12

want to go and be governor, because there's

19:14

a recall election. They're recalling the

19:16

governor because he has done a terrible

19:18

job. And

19:20

I think I can do a better job. No, no, you have

19:23

to start little. I said, little? Are

19:25

you kidding me? I never do anything little. I

19:28

say, I start big. I have

19:31

big dreams that say, I'm going to run this

19:33

state. I don't know for sure. I'm going to

19:35

win. Well, the

19:37

rest is history. So how did you

19:39

not get derailed by the naysayers and

19:42

the doubters? Why weren't you daunted by

19:44

becoming governor of California? Why weren't you

19:47

full of self-doubt when you went for auditions

19:49

for movies? What was different about you? Well,

19:52

it's just when you have a clear vision

19:55

and a goal, and you have faith

19:57

in it, just imagine...

20:00

Or just think about for a second when you have

20:02

faith in a religion, and

20:05

you hold on to that faith. It

20:08

really is tremendously helpful, especially

20:11

when you're down. And

20:14

when you have faith in yourself, on

20:17

top of all that, it

20:19

is unbelievable and powerful. Because

20:22

of course, and I talk

20:24

about it in the book, this

20:26

is not a rosy road. I

20:29

tell you the amount of times that I

20:31

fell, the amount

20:33

of times that I lost weightlifting

20:36

competitions, the

20:38

times that I lost bodybuilding competitions,

20:41

the amount of times that I had

20:44

political setbacks, when

20:46

I was governor and

20:48

I wanted to do kind of initiatives, I

20:50

wanted to pass initiatives. Oh

20:52

man, all four of them lost. And

20:56

they called me a loser. In show

20:58

business, I had movies that went through the roof. And

21:01

then after that, there was a movie that went right in the

21:03

toilet. It was

21:05

like I got the little press. The

21:10

worst is when someone said that Stallone

21:12

was successful. Oh man,

21:16

hell broke loose when they say that. Because

21:20

we had a tremendous amount of competition going on

21:22

in the 80s, as you know. It was like,

21:24

you know, we were, I mean like little children.

21:28

I mean, we were so stupid. We

21:31

were competing. Who is

21:33

making more money at the box office? So

21:37

that's understandable. We all compete about that. Who

21:41

is getting better reviews? All

21:43

right, understandable. But who

21:45

has less body fat? Who

21:51

is using bigger guns? Who

21:55

Is killing more people on the screen? The

22:00

public that that's was we would competing.

22:03

Those. In and it as I do and I

22:05

would call him as a haze to see them

22:07

a single I use the only can be used

22:09

of of a helicopter. And

22:12

I carried it with one arm and pop

22:14

Up Up Up Up Up Up Up Up

22:16

Us and is a disease wave when I

22:18

do Rambo number sixteen. I'm

22:21

gonna use a bigger gun, I'm going

22:23

to use something much bigger than you

22:25

and says his side wins as as

22:28

as crazy insane and so Jb as

22:30

as competitions noted of so I had

22:32

my down periods. Where as cell and

22:34

movies when south and been filled with

22:36

politics in my personal lives in of

22:38

my marriage north but I always felt

22:40

in that talk about that. You.

22:43

Can lose. It is.

22:45

No one did this loose. And

22:48

even Michael Jordan. Were

22:50

right about his five thousand shops

22:52

that he missed. A Basketball.

22:55

And he will talk about the amount of

22:57

games you missed. Because.

22:59

Of him in the in the playoffs. And

23:02

all sorts of this is because of

23:04

those losses I became the greatest basketball

23:06

player. What?

23:08

Does is that exactly how I felt? That.

23:10

When you lose, you lose. In.

23:13

Get down on the grounds. That. You.

23:17

Get up again. The.

23:19

Loser stays down. But.

23:22

The winner When he fails he gets

23:24

up again he does to sell valve.

23:26

You get up again and you march

23:28

forward to see a business is you

23:30

go forward and you go forward to

23:32

that says how I always felt and

23:34

so the was really tremendous of the

23:36

I remember and that talk about this

23:39

was in a book. I. I

23:41

just want a second Miss Universe Kansas in

23:44

London. And ninety six days

23:46

a week later, I go with America

23:48

and they have their own Muskegon Was

23:50

contests. The. I have be be

23:52

Miss Universe kansas. International for the

23:54

recent body boots. I. Lose. against

23:58

the guy that of photos as little

24:00

kid. I said

24:03

this contest was fixed and

24:05

I cried all night because

24:08

I was in a strange country and

24:11

I was by myself.

24:15

I missed my home and I just now

24:17

went for the first time to America and

24:19

I lost. I felt like a loser and

24:22

like I said I literally cried for hours

24:26

but the next morning I pulled myself together

24:28

and I said

24:32

this is what I'm gonna do. I'm

24:35

gonna train my ass off

24:37

all year long and I'm gonna

24:39

go after that guy that beat me and

24:43

I'm gonna win the competition and that's

24:45

exactly what I did. It's

24:48

the most important thing when

24:50

you fail that you take responsibility

24:52

for the failure and you don't blame

24:54

anyone else. Learn from the

24:56

mistakes. That is the most important thing there.

24:59

There's something else that's very important which is

25:02

work your ass off. You say work your ass

25:04

off much better than I say work your ass

25:06

off but that's what you believe and two workouts

25:08

a day was one of the things that you

25:10

put into your life and the way that you

25:12

lived to work your ass off. So should we

25:14

talk about hard work? Yeah well first

25:17

of all in training I

25:20

know a lot of people are always looking for a shortcut

25:24

and they buy orders kind of buy into their

25:27

orders kind of programs in a 20 minutes

25:29

a day this and

25:32

you know you eat this three

25:34

meals a day and then you're perfect and

25:36

all that stuff. There's no such

25:38

thing as a shortcut. It's just

25:41

that you have to work your ass off

25:44

and in those days in bodybuilding there

25:47

was no money. So

25:50

I worked on construction also several

25:53

hours every day and

25:56

I went to college several

25:59

hours every day. And

26:02

I was thinking about my next

26:05

career as an actor

26:07

and I went to acting class several

26:11

hours a week. So

26:14

think about that. I really literally just slept

26:16

six hours a day and there

26:19

were 18 hours left and

26:21

I used this 18 hours to work out,

26:24

to work, to train for

26:26

my acting, to do all of those

26:28

things. And I worked

26:30

and I worked and I worked to make money. Every

26:34

1974 I saved up

26:36

enough money to buy my first apartment building.

26:41

So this is important to know because I bought

26:44

this apartment building for 240 thousand dollars, this

26:46

is back in the 70s. And then two

26:51

years later someone offered me 400

26:53

thousand dollars and

26:55

I sold it but

26:58

I didn't take the money. I traded

27:00

up to a

27:02

12-unit apartment building from a 6 unit to

27:04

12 unit and then to a

27:06

36 unit apartment building. And this is how

27:08

I went up and up and up that

27:10

before I made really the first big movie

27:13

I was already a millionaire. You

27:16

think about it because I was

27:18

working my ass off. I don't

27:20

believe in shortcuts. I don't believe

27:22

getting around all of that or

27:24

finding the easy way. You

27:26

got to confront things straight on and

27:28

you got to struggle through it. I

27:31

found out that the more

27:34

I struggle, the stronger I

27:36

get inside. Because

27:38

remember that the brain, your head,

27:42

is just like a muscle. The

27:45

muscle grows when you give it resistance. When I put

27:47

a dumbbell in my arm and I curl it up,

27:50

it's the resistance that makes the bicep

27:52

grow. But

27:54

the same thing is also with your head. The

27:57

more resistance you give it, the more you

27:59

let yourself struggle. the more

28:01

you go through pain and through

28:03

kind of suffering sometimes, the

28:06

more you endure that, the tougher you

28:08

get. And the

28:10

reason why I'm saying that is specifically

28:13

is because so many people today want

28:15

to be comfortable. I

28:18

know from my children, I

28:21

say to them, I say, what are you doing in bed at

28:23

7 o'clock in the morning? I

28:27

say, are you to your mind? What

28:30

do you think America was built on

28:33

people sleeping in? Or

28:36

was America or England as far as they go?

28:39

So Germany, Austria, do you think those countries were

28:41

built by people that struggled,

28:43

that broke their asses off? So

28:47

we have to tell this to our kids, there

28:49

is no sleeping in. We

28:53

have to work. We

28:56

have to work. We

29:01

have to study, go to school.

29:05

And forget this, I want to be comfortable

29:07

today. Why are we talking

29:09

about comfortable? Let's

29:11

just struggle a little bit. It's

29:13

fun when you shoot after a certain goal

29:16

and you struggle, you go through pain. It's

29:18

okay. You mentioned in your book,

29:21

Rest and Relaxation, and you've got a great line

29:23

for who rest is for and who relaxation is

29:25

for. I think the audience would love to hear

29:27

that. Well, you rest

29:29

your rest. This is the

29:31

old saying, you rest your rest. And

29:34

so I never rest. I

29:36

just keep going. Let

29:39

me just tell you an example. I happened

29:41

to read that one day, there's

29:43

this guy, Hilary, who

29:46

was the first man that climbed

29:48

Mount Everest. I'm reading this story that

29:51

found it fascinating because it said that when he

29:53

was up there and

29:55

he looked around, then

29:57

he cut. Then he talked

29:59

about the end. and he came back down

30:01

again, how the journalist asked me, he said, what

30:03

was it like being up there? This

30:05

must have been unbelievable. In

30:07

the highest mountain in the world, what

30:09

was going through your mind? So

30:12

he said, I looked

30:15

around and all

30:17

of a sudden, I

30:20

saw another peak. And

30:25

I looked at that peak and I said to myself, I

30:27

have to figure out how to get up there. How

30:30

to climb that peak. I

30:32

mean, think about that. He

30:35

didn't sit on his laurels. He didn't enjoy

30:37

it and he didn't just say, oh, I

30:39

was celebrating that I was the first person

30:41

to go and to climb up there. Because

30:45

a lot of people do that. But

30:47

he said, I saw another peak. And

30:49

I only could see that because I was at the

30:52

tallest and the highest mountain. And

30:54

then he planned on climbing that peak. And

30:58

this is exactly what it is in life. That's the difference between

31:01

living and existing.

31:04

See, there's so many people exist,

31:08

but they don't live. And what I want to

31:10

encourage people to do through this book is to

31:12

make you live and to feel

31:14

kind of enriched that life

31:16

is exciting because we only have one.

31:20

This is it, this is not a dress rehearsal. This

31:23

is it, this is the real thing. You

31:25

write in the book about cell, cell, cell.

31:27

You write about shifting gears. I'd

31:30

love to talk to you about one of your lessons,

31:32

which is to pass it on. You

31:34

call the world a classroom. Well,

31:38

I learned a lot of things in college and

31:41

in school. But

31:43

I always felt kind of like, if

31:46

you open your mind, and

31:49

they call this open your mind and shut your mouth,

31:52

I always felt that I could learn

31:54

more if

31:57

I shut up And

31:59

if I listened. I. Remember when

32:01

I ran for governor? Orders

32:05

people came to my house. They

32:08

were teaching me about various different

32:10

issues. Because. You the know. In

32:13

know about gun control and about. Nursing.

32:16

Homes and about Hospitals and

32:18

doctors in prison guards and

32:20

police officers and teachers. and

32:22

all of this is so

32:24

many issues to think about.

32:27

And where do you sands and those

32:29

issues? I mean, I knew it was

32:31

a republican. But. Did.

32:33

That mean that as that was conservative

32:35

about everything. I found that not

32:38

really right, sermons, egos to or of

32:40

those things. And so I was just

32:42

visiting. fluff. Two months. Listen

32:45

And listen. Listen. So.

32:47

That's when I then to have a

32:50

debate. With. The other candidates.

32:53

I. Knew. As much

32:55

as I could grasp grasp it as

32:57

as in this two months. And

33:00

I had enough information. That.

33:02

A Won. The debate best

33:05

sixty percent. That's

33:07

what made me with. So.

33:10

He was listening and says to set

33:12

up because I felt kind of God

33:14

gave us. One mouth

33:16

but to he is. Give

33:19

us to he has to differ. Let's listen twice. as

33:21

much as we talk. And so

33:23

that was the idea. And so when I went.

33:26

Into. The Capitol after I won.

33:29

I was sitting down this at tell you.

33:32

The. Amount of information that came

33:34

my way. He. Was

33:36

staggering. So to

33:39

me, Would. I have

33:41

learned in this seven years sitting

33:43

at the Capitol in Sacramento. I.

33:46

tell you i was the most

33:48

valuable information that now i understand

33:50

of how complicated it really is

33:52

to run a city or to

33:54

run a state of the run

33:56

a country are sometimes simple things

33:59

to the very simple, are

34:01

very, very complicated. They're complicated

34:03

because there's policy involved, they're complicated because

34:05

there's politics involved, and there's the parties

34:07

involved, and everyone has their own opinion.

34:09

I mean, I had 120 legislators. Now,

34:13

as you know, in your own home,

34:15

it's very hard to agree to something. Now,

34:19

imagine you have 120 legislators, Democrats

34:22

and Republicans, in decline to state

34:24

and independence and all of those

34:26

people, and they all have

34:28

their own opinion. But that

34:31

was an enormous learning experience, and that's why I

34:33

always say to people, I say,

34:35

you got to have your mind open to

34:38

let things come in like a sponge,

34:40

absorb things like a sponge rather than

34:42

talking all the time. And

34:45

when you go to a meeting or something like that,

34:47

and then you don't learn anything.

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37:20

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37:22

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37:24

Miro's means spacey. Believe. They'd

37:28

be don't just. Look

37:30

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37:32

as saying it comes from my

37:34

father in law sites and striver.

37:40

Maria's father was. One.

37:42

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37:45

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37:48

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37:50

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37:52

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37:55

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37:57

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37:59

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38:01

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38:03

of like when I dated Maria I talked

38:06

to him a lot of times and

38:09

I learned a lot from him about

38:12

policy and one

38:14

day I listened to his speech that

38:17

he gave it at Yale University and

38:20

then I and he said to the students he says

38:22

break your mirror, break

38:25

that mirror that makes you always look at yourself

38:28

and you will be able to look beyond that

38:30

mirror and you will see the

38:33

millions of people that need your help and

38:36

that's the message of that

38:38

is the one of the most profound things to that

38:41

field. We shouldn't just

38:43

think about ourselves but we should think also about

38:45

the people around us that maybe

38:47

need our help and

38:49

this is one of the reasons why

38:52

I talk in my book about

38:55

that you can call me anything you

38:57

want but don't call me a self-made man

39:01

because I believe there's no such thing

39:03

as a self-made man and

39:05

a lot of times people do

39:07

stories and articles about me and

39:09

this Schwarzenegger is the perfect example

39:11

of the self-made man. He

39:13

drove himself to victory and he drove himself

39:15

to all the successes and I

39:18

said no this is totally wrong because

39:22

we all have somebody or

39:25

a lot of people that helped us get

39:27

where we are today and

39:30

so I had my parents, I had the teachers,

39:32

I had the trainers and that Joe

39:34

Wieder that brought me to America, Joe

39:37

Gold that let me train in this

39:39

gymnasium for free, I had like Frank

39:41

Zane who was my training partner in

39:43

Franka, Colombia and the list goes on

39:46

and on and on and when

39:48

you think about how did I become governor

39:50

of California? I

39:53

became governor because 5.8 million

39:55

people voted for me. I

39:58

didn't make myself governor. So

40:00

how can I call myself a self-made man

40:02

when 5.8 million people

40:04

helped me become governor of the state of

40:06

California? How

40:09

did I become a movie star by

40:12

having millions and millions of people go to see

40:14

the movies? Not

40:16

just in America but worldwide. The

40:19

movie houses were packed. That's

40:22

what made me a successful actor

40:24

and the leading man. Imagine

40:29

that I would be sitting here today in

40:32

this hall with

40:36

none of you here. And

40:40

you would not be here. Correct.

40:45

Now imagine that. I would

40:48

be sitting here by myself. So am I

40:50

a self-made man? No. This

40:53

place is sold

40:55

out. It

40:58

is sold out because

41:01

of you. Because

41:03

of you came here to listen

41:06

to me. And I tell you,

41:08

I know that. I

41:11

don't take this for granted. I

41:13

know that. And I want to

41:15

thank you for that, for making the effort to

41:18

come here and to be here.

41:31

So why people are going to say this

41:33

was a successful event? It was packed. It

41:35

was because of you. And

41:37

when you say it was a great interview,

41:39

we loved what was going on. It was

41:41

because of you. Not because of me alone

41:43

sitting here because I'm not talking about myself

41:45

alone. So you have to think about that.

41:48

Do you see what I'm saying? That

41:50

we need everyone's help. And now when

41:53

you recognize that. When

41:56

you recognize the fact that we are all

41:59

being. helped to where

42:01

we are today, that's when you

42:04

start thinking about, ah, then

42:07

who am I helping? You

42:09

see what I'm saying? So whenever

42:11

I saw the success in bodybuilding and

42:13

I saw the packed halls and I

42:15

saw people paying and buying the magazines

42:17

when I was on the cover and

42:20

they bought the weights that I was endorsing, the

42:22

proteins that I was endorsing in order to, this

42:25

were people. They were helping

42:27

me. So I started

42:29

getting involved in giving back, you

42:31

know, by doing seminars in

42:33

bodybuilding for free, going to

42:36

aircraft carriers and training the

42:38

sailors and the Marines and

42:40

the military in various

42:42

different areas all over the world, training

42:44

them. That's why I

42:46

got involved in Special Olympics

42:48

and started creating the powerlifting

42:50

championships in Special Olympics. The people

42:53

that are intellectually challenged, helping

42:56

them, motivating them, giving them medals,

42:58

cheering them up in the competition,

43:00

traveling all over the world and

43:04

promoting Special Olympics to

43:06

make sure that people are not prejudiced towards

43:08

these people because they are

43:10

maybe intellectually challenged. Maybe

43:13

because they sometimes look different or act

43:16

different. But to have the same

43:18

rights that we all have, choose any

43:20

apartment, have a job, have

43:22

healthcare, have education and all of this

43:24

stuff. But I mean, it was all

43:27

about giving back, giving back

43:29

to my community, giving back to my

43:31

state and giving back to my country.

43:34

That was important to me. And this is

43:36

why I encourage people in the book, you

43:38

know, break that mural. Don't

43:41

just always think about yourself, but think

43:43

about what you can do. And I

43:45

talk about that also, the excuses that

43:47

people use, what do I have? I

43:49

don't have no money. I cannot

43:51

donate anything. I barely

43:54

make it myself. It has nothing to

43:56

do with money. Everyone has

43:58

something to offer. There's no

44:00

excuse why not you know so

44:03

I just always say know that

44:05

you are not self-made and

44:07

know that someone else needs your help at the

44:09

same time that's what this is about. Wonderful. The

44:20

power of making sure you break your mirrors

44:22

right we're about to go for a quick

44:24

break before we do on my

44:27

podcast I have some quick fire questions quick fire okay

44:29

and I think the audience would really like to hear

44:31

the answer to some of these. So the first one

44:33

Arnold what is your version

44:35

of high performance? To

44:37

give you everything to give

44:40

100% that's what I call high

44:42

performance can be academically it can

44:44

be inventing something it can be in

44:46

sports it could be in anything but

44:48

just give it everything. What are

44:50

the three non-negotiable behaviors that you

44:52

and the people around you should buy

44:55

into? Well

44:57

I think the number one and most important

44:59

thing is to be tolerant

45:02

and inclusive which

45:04

means don't be

45:07

prejudiced because

45:09

there's too many wars

45:12

going on and too many battles going

45:14

on all over the world because of

45:16

religion because of prejudice colors and this

45:19

and that man against women women against

45:21

men younger and so everyone is fighting

45:23

I am a strong

45:25

believer and I've learned this also in

45:27

sports and bodybuilding when

45:30

we stood up there on a stage everyone was

45:32

equal didn't matter what color

45:34

you were where you were from and

45:36

so this I learned that everyone is equal

45:40

and everyone should be treated equally like

45:42

I said with Special Olympians doesn't matter

45:44

if you're physically handicapped

45:47

intellectually challenged if

45:49

you're from whatever continent you're from from

45:51

whatever area you're from everyone

45:53

is equal and everyone should be

45:55

equally treated and everyone should have

45:57

the same rights to go

46:00

and get to enjoy

46:03

success and prosperity and all of those

46:05

things. So that's one of the things.

46:08

Any others? I think

46:10

that I have no tolerance for laziness.

46:13

I think we've spotted that funnily enough. So

46:16

I think that we should also

46:18

work our butt off and do

46:20

whatever we can and then we

46:23

should take responsibility and have

46:25

courage. Because in them now

46:27

talking more to politicians because politicians a

46:29

lot of times say, oh isn't it

46:32

great, there's firefighters, they're risking their lives

46:34

and all this and there's police officers,

46:36

they're risking their lives, all those military

46:39

people, they risk their lives. But them,

46:42

they themselves don't want to

46:44

even risk their position. They

46:46

will not vote a

46:48

certain way because they're afraid of

46:51

losing their position. And so for

46:53

them it's all about getting

46:55

re-elected and they

46:57

will sometimes lie to you, they

47:00

will not tell you the truth and I just think this

47:02

is a certain kind of a lack

47:04

of guts that is

47:06

amongst politicians that makes me really

47:08

sad and sickens me, that

47:10

they cannot really be a public servant

47:13

and they stay in the ideological

47:15

corners and can't get along and

47:18

all those things. What's

47:21

your biggest strength and your

47:23

greatest weakness? Well

47:25

my greatest weakness is definitely sweets. I'm

47:29

glad you've got one. And your biggest strength? My

47:32

biggest strength is that I have a tremendous

47:34

determination in fire in my belly. Yeah, I

47:36

thought you were going to say your

47:38

biceps. What

47:42

advice would you give to a teenage Arnold just

47:44

starting out? Keep

47:46

going, keep believing in yourself. A

47:49

lot of people always ask me, what would you

47:51

change? I said there's not much to change. I

47:54

mean there's a lot of things that they learned later

47:56

on that I wish they would have

47:58

known earlier but the... It doesn't matter because

48:00

I mean, the key thing is to have an

48:02

open mind and to learn and

48:05

to have great mentors that you can look up

48:07

to and that you can follow. What

48:09

would you say and what would you live an audience

48:11

thinking about for the interval? You're one golden rule for

48:14

living a high performance life. One

48:17

golden rule is vision, I

48:19

think. To

48:21

me, the most important thing is that

48:24

we know what we are chasing because then

48:27

it creates that fire in the belly.

48:31

Yes, we can do the technical stuff

48:33

to perform better. All

48:36

of that is important, the know-how and

48:39

this is what you do in order to perform

48:41

better. But you first have

48:43

to have the energy

48:46

and the vision that you're interested in

48:48

learning about in the first place. So

48:50

to me, it all comes from here

48:53

and our head controls our body.

48:56

So to me, that is the most important

48:58

thing is to be motivated, you got to

49:00

have a certain purpose, a passion, a vision

49:02

and then you can go after it and

49:05

go all out. I love that. Listen,

49:07

thank you so much for the last hour giving

49:09

us such an interesting insight. Absolutely.

49:12

Into your life, into your mindset,

49:16

into your behaviors, into your beliefs. And

49:19

I really do believe having read that book over the

49:22

last few days and pass on some of the message

49:24

to my kids here this evening that that really

49:26

will be very, very useful for so many

49:28

people. So thank you. Thank you so much

49:31

for your time. I think

49:33

really there's probably only one way isn't there to

49:35

finish the first half of this show. Yeah,

49:43

I think we'll allow you to end the show with

49:46

the most famous catchphrase of all. I'll

49:49

be back. Damien.

50:01

Jake. I

50:03

mean, what a legendary figure

50:05

to invite onto the high performance show.

50:08

And it was a personal honor to sit and

50:11

hear the way that he spoke. And I think, you know, of

50:13

course it isn't for everyone, but if this podcast

50:15

exists for one thing and one thing only, it's

50:17

to offer up someone's view of the world and

50:20

say, you don't have to agree with it all,

50:22

but that's their view and that's okay for them to have

50:24

that view. So was there any

50:26

bits then that really jumped out for you,

50:29

where you thought, I don't agree with it,

50:31

but I'm interested in exploring it? There's

50:33

bits that were sort of like on the edge, right?

50:35

So you know the bit where he says, do you

50:37

think America is built from people laying in bed? Like

50:40

we all know, because we've spoken about it loads, that you

50:42

do have to rest sometimes. And I thought that was

50:44

really interesting that, you know, I think

50:46

secretly he probably knows that as well. But he also knows

50:48

that there's a power in kind of

50:50

playing the role of Arnie, right? What

50:53

I did definitely disagree with is that idea

50:55

that rest is when you're retired and sleep is for when you're

50:57

dead. I think

50:59

it's all about balance. But also I wonder

51:02

whether, and I'd like to get your thoughts

51:04

on this, whether we talk too much now

51:06

about the soft stuff and the careful stuff

51:08

and the things that are good for us. And

51:11

actually maybe we don't talk often enough about the fact that life

51:13

has to be hard work and you do have to make sacrifices

51:15

and you do have to do things you don't want to do.

51:18

And you do have to go places that are

51:20

hard. Like you've got to do hard stuff in

51:22

life. Yeah,

51:24

I agree with you. I think when we first

51:26

started this podcast, remember when we sat in that

51:29

cafe near Belénsa's in Eos boat

51:31

HQ and we were anticipating, we were

51:33

going to hear pretty much every guest

51:35

tell us some of those messages, we

51:37

were going to talk about the hard

51:39

work, the sacrifice, the willingness to scrape

51:41

and claw your way forward.

51:44

And I think we've come to

51:47

revise our view over the years,

51:49

haven't we? That isn't always high

51:51

performance. But I do

51:53

think it is one definition. And sometimes

51:55

it is high performance though. Sometimes it

51:57

is high performance to do the hard,

51:59

nasty stuff. He grasped. When we went to Mark

52:01

Webber, the motor racing driver's house, who said, average

52:03

is easy, that's why it's popular. You

52:05

know, he was somebody that reminded me

52:08

of some of the messages that Arnie offered

52:10

of that willingness to go to your edge

52:12

of your comfort zone and see how long

52:14

you could stay there. Matt Fraser, the

52:17

six times world CrossFit champion, the title of

52:19

his book was called Hard Work Pays Off.

52:21

So I do think there's a room to have

52:23

this discussion that you've had with Arnie. I

52:26

totally agree. And I think that maybe

52:28

one of the reasons why people don't like talking about

52:30

hard work, right, is the hard work is available to

52:32

everyone. And it's much nicer for

52:35

people to think, oh, it must be another reason they've been

52:37

successful other than hard work. Because actually, the truth is they

52:39

know they could do the hard work if they wanted to.

52:42

So instead, they go, oh, circumstance,

52:44

luck, parenting, some

52:47

investments, some rich friends, whatever the reason is,

52:49

that's why you've been successful. I think

52:51

sometimes we have to say, do you know what? To some people

52:53

in this earth, hard work is

52:55

the reason they got where they got to. Therefore,

52:58

it's available to anyone. And actually, if you're

53:00

going to be a bodybuilder, go to Hollywood,

53:02

rewrite the rules of acting, of

53:04

course, there's elements of luck. But

53:07

I would say in his case, hard work

53:09

probably trumps everything else. And that's fine. Yeah.

53:12

It reminds me of a member,

53:14

there was a book a few years ago called The

53:16

Last Lecture by a guy that had the terminal illness.

53:18

I think he was called Dr. Randy Porsch.

53:20

And somebody asked him about how did he get to be

53:22

a professor so young? And he said, well, come

53:25

to my office at 10 o'clock on Friday night

53:27

in Altaia. And the point he

53:29

was making was, it's in the shadows. I think

53:31

that's what Arne is shining a light on for us

53:33

in this brilliant interview. I thought he did great with

53:35

it, mate. Thank you, Damien. Well,

53:39

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