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the end of the world as we know it

1:38

but i feel fine from sunny san diego

1:40

i'm greg carl would and as mundane

1:43

as the world can seem between the daily grind

1:45

the nightly news there are many

1:47

people out there with stories of encounters

1:49

sightings and experiences that defy logic

1:52

from crypt it's like dog man winged humanoids

1:55

big foot and like monsters to strange

1:57

creatures and crafts scary visitations

1:59

that night the even experimental india

2:01

jannik or magical experience is that under

2:03

blown the doors right off this reality and

2:06

despite dismissive argument that these are all

2:08

attention seekers making up tales

2:10

of fantasy or exaggerating cases

2:12

misidentification they're not

2:14

actually the stories people put in their

2:16

tinder profile or used to make friends that

2:18

their first day on the job the real

2:20

deal with the ridicule factor keeps many

2:22

these tales from been told until conditions

2:25

are just right if they ever are

2:27

today's guest knows this all too well as

2:29

the as the great tony merkel of the confessionals

2:32

podcast is number one paranormal

2:34

safe space where gives regular folks

2:36

the air time talk about these life changing

2:38

event they often haven't really

2:40

told anyone maybe it's dot they've

2:42

held onto since childhood or things they

2:44

saw on their stint in military or

2:46

on that hunting trip the got them a little too

2:48

far off the beaten path the

2:50

only is also just stepped out from behind

2:53

the mike and actually has gone out into the

2:55

field to follow up on particular tale

2:57

of violent dog man encounter in his

2:59

new documentary expedition dog man

3:01

you

3:02

can find it all the confessionals podcast

3:04

dot com or his ever expanding digital

3:06

media company merkle dot media

3:08

and this going to be a wild ride from

3:10

truck driver to paranormal podcaster

3:12

and coyote urine clad dogman documentarian

3:15

the captain of the ss confessionals and

3:17

merkle media mogul tony merkel

3:19

welcome the higher side

3:22

oh i haven't had in his doesn't

3:24

like that ever love it so fast

3:27

that stall far the job

3:29

the old nine to five but isn't going to

3:31

be lot of fun really happy to have you here

3:34

the geopolitics and conspiracy

3:36

stuff gotten pretty heavy lately and

3:39

it's nice to drift back into

3:41

the paranormal with you think the

3:43

confessional is a really great theme

3:45

for podcast my

3:47

car has this big crazy higher such

3:49

as rap on or never since i did that

3:52

i do get people stopping me and grocery

3:54

store parking lots to talk about what

3:56

they're grandpa was brother saw forty

3:58

years ago or if i'm ass what

4:00

i do they often come back with some sort story

4:03

through the family grapevine one

4:05

time i was parked at the beach with some

4:07

buddies in guy ran back to his house boat

4:09

to get his phone to come back and

4:11

show us some balls of light he captured

4:14

over the ocean one night though that's

4:16

why i like your show so much i'm in kind of

4:18

unique position that i put

4:20

myself in his position to get these kind of confirmation

4:24

that so many people have seen

4:26

something or they know or trust his family

4:28

member who saw something and it's not

4:30

as rare as it might seem sort of

4:32

put these stories out there and podcast

4:34

pretty awesome

4:36

i appreciate man has that's whole goal mean

4:38

we live in a very bizarre world

4:41

put it simply and simply think

4:43

it's much more complicated our existence our existence

4:45

more complicated then we've been told

4:47

taught traditionally and you

4:49

learn that i think the best through

4:52

not scholars are scientific

4:54

research papers written and stuff like that but

4:56

actually people who experience really

4:59

unexplainable things in their

5:01

personal life and they just like

5:03

you said just don't talk about it because

5:05

who are you going to talk to about this like

5:07

most people i don't care how old you are you don't wanna

5:09

be laughed at work i went through that

5:11

as truck driver just saying hey let's start apparel

5:13

pike as like a what were you going talk about

5:16

big foot in ghosts in aliens inductions

5:18

and things like that and they're just like i was

5:20

but of all jokes for long time and sell i

5:22

was successful at it but it's

5:24

that kind of environment people fear ever by

5:26

fears that kind of stuff especially you don't need to come forward

5:28

and share the experience

5:30

is that it is it's not a necessity and

5:32

so when you present platform for

5:35

everyday normal people to come forward and

5:37

share their experiences it's

5:39

unique thing and it took some time

5:41

for i think people to in the show

5:43

listeners show it trust the jose that's

5:45

big thing trust the over

5:47

the years see more

5:50

more people say i'm ready to talk now of listen

5:52

to your show for six months a year two years

5:54

and i'm ready to talk to because i

5:56

know you're not gonna judge me and as thing i

5:58

don't pretend to know

6:00

everything don't think i know

6:02

a time actually be answered the have my my roots

6:05

foundational believes that i cannot live

6:07

my life by by don't

6:09

think that that set in stone in

6:11

i just don't pretend to know it all so when

6:13

somebody comes and says and me that's like off

6:15

the was like you're never gonna believe this like while actually

6:18

this try me cause i've heard lot know herself

6:20

as the stasis yeah it is so

6:23

wild like these little things come up like

6:25

a guy used to work with at gamestop

6:28

the brother was pilot and i asked

6:30

him if you've ever seen anything weird he's like yes

6:32

absolutely he said i even venture to say

6:34

that you can't be a

6:36

pilot without having seen something

6:38

up there while but nobody's going to say anything

6:40

because you go right to a psych evaluation

6:43

and it's your job manage your paycheck

6:45

nobody wants to be on the radar

6:47

with their boss or their boss's boss

6:50

so you see something weird

6:52

you don't say anything about it and you just

6:55

put it on back burner then i

6:57

even fell into the trap a lot of people fall

6:59

into when they do podcasts are host

7:01

a paranormal radio show i started

7:03

this show same that i've never really

7:05

seen anything and that wasn't really true

7:08

i did see something when was like in kindergarten

7:11

and it was just so brief

7:13

even i kind of put in the background

7:16

was like whoa yeah that happened but it's

7:18

not as epic as these other stories in

7:20

i'm interviewing people our lifetimes of

7:22

weird stuff and i would say on the

7:24

all the time man wish i saw something like

7:26

that then it's easy to forget

7:28

you did see something like that and

7:30

what i saw wasn't a big foot it was

7:32

probably the closest to

7:34

a dog man i say skyn walker sometimes

7:36

because it's like this weird animal

7:39

human like thing it

7:42

why crypt it's have always

7:44

been in the thc su some

7:46

people really love those shows some people

7:48

are like i'd rather you talk about serious

7:50

matters and it's like well part

7:53

of my dna because i'm

7:55

just connected to this world that i

7:57

know things are out there so like

7:59

on not put by hearing really weird

8:02

stories and i think these things shape shift

8:04

and their kind of multi dimensional

8:06

and get and all that but men

8:08

for the uninitiated can

8:10

you give people little bit of an overview

8:13

of the range of things that the

8:15

eyewitnesses talk about i've heard about

8:18

in piling of closet the

8:20

after effects of messing with weegee board

8:23

did with course stories of people who seem to

8:25

grow up in houses that are

8:27

portal places it gets pretty weird

8:29

talked with about the what's the to confessionals

8:32

overview anything

8:34

outside of what you been told is normal

8:37

sucker for a good story you know and

8:39

so i say at paranormal

8:41

show and i don't know how other people

8:43

define that but for me

8:45

says anything outside enormous outside include the

8:47

crypt is big for dog man but

8:49

we talk about goes and goes

8:51

haunted houses alien abductions

8:54

and ski hills stories not kind

8:56

stuff down to like even

8:58

side stories that aren't really like

9:00

you never heard of before mean i did it

9:02

and episode eight was eight was ago it

9:05

was guy i believe use an organ

9:07

and he talked about coming across his property

9:09

out the mill nowhere one day and

9:11

inside this house the

9:14

furniture was on the ceiling of

9:16

the house and so him and his

9:18

buddies go back to look at it one

9:20

night long story short they want

9:22

getting chased out of there they taught

9:24

by somebody in car which was very

9:27

bizarre to the casino deckard has disappeared

9:29

by he said there is to

9:32

up right running dear next to

9:34

their car escorting them out he

9:36

said was the most bizarre weird thing he's

9:38

like who's ever talked about of right

9:40

walking dears let or running after year

9:42

so there's that kind stuff but even down to

9:45

the hauntings churches as been something

9:47

that's been popping throughout the existence

9:49

of show is at first

9:51

glance you're like really a church haunted but

9:53

then you start thinking about the spirit like a christian church

9:55

his i come from a christian backgrounds

9:57

think about the christian side of the theological

10:00

ah states where it's like whoa yeah

10:02

mean you would think that if there's bunch of christians

10:04

gathering worship their god you would think that

10:06

there be some kind spiritual warfare going

10:08

on there something like that in the background in

10:11

a river this one guy talked about how he

10:13

had these different experiences his church and then what

10:16

one sunday he went into the bathroom guess is like

10:18

two stores and there was a young boy

10:20

in the store next to him like a teenage

10:23

kid but he was like mentally handicapped the

10:26

you think he was talking to himself only wasn't

10:28

his voice and then you hear him

10:30

saying no no no and and his voice

10:32

speaking to him it was like his

10:34

own conversation here but there was

10:36

only one pair series underneath a stall

10:39

and then this guy said he started praying

10:42

in his head not even out loud like rebuking

10:44

near jesus and the deal demonic

10:47

sounding voice is is like responded to

10:49

his prayers they know and his his

10:51

leg bone chilling for him and

10:53

people like what the heck but mean it's talk

10:55

about every the underground reptilians we had a show

10:57

on where we talked about the underground reptilians

11:00

mean i literally will talk about anything

11:02

like anything if it's off the beaten path because i

11:04

just love

11:05

fair you know i was actually going bring

11:07

up the underground reptilians how could i not

11:09

his a very important spot

11:12

on the higher side chats bingo card

11:14

and that his episode

11:16

three twenty five and

11:19

you say on this episode we speak with

11:21

brian who describes growing up

11:23

near a place michigan where reptilians

11:25

lived underground with other creatures brian

11:27

and i first connected when left a comment

11:29

on confessionals podcast dot com about

11:32

his experiences helping to d program

11:34

satanic richly abused people

11:36

i was interested in bringing on show to pick is brain

11:39

about the isis of deprogramming and

11:41

s r a cases that

11:43

as we communicated to ask me about also

11:45

like the are about as reptilian stories of

11:47

course i said yes the children

11:49

brian and his brother would play with other kids

11:51

around an area called which is hollow

11:53

one day brian's brother stumbled upon

11:55

an opening in the ground that had dismembered

11:58

ahead and the entering after

12:00

contemplating what he saw his brother

12:02

decided to return about location to get

12:04

another look when he did he

12:06

was met by a reptilian who was manning

12:08

the entrance that was the first of

12:10

many ongoing interactions he had with these

12:12

creatures and brian shares

12:15

as encounters with us well

12:17

yeah that's pretty wild

12:20

you remember like what are the what what were

12:22

these reptilians like where they humanoid

12:24

and did they communicate in any kind

12:26

way yeah they did and

12:29

side note when i heard you reading that

12:32

i was thinking to myself man i'm really glad my

12:34

wife at it's my initial description sees

12:37

writer here and stuff and i just gonna write things

12:39

down and she added it makes it makes nice

12:42

though brian in his brother

12:45

this is an interesting story

12:47

that might be resurfacing down the

12:49

road here with some other projects of doing that i

12:51

stumbled across story recently that really

12:55

groundbreaking when it comes to our existence

12:58

what this all is what

13:01

can we do as human beings what is

13:03

the paranormal are there other worlds that

13:05

we can access a me and i am working on a

13:07

story that is is it's crazy in and

13:09

brine story my the little

13:11

bit little piece of it might work in conjunction

13:13

with it because his idea

13:16

of portals into other worlds

13:18

and at the time of recording the interview

13:20

with brian they didn't really think of it

13:22

as i thought the more of physical location which

13:24

it was there is like this tree with a hole

13:26

the ground and it was like the entrance

13:28

to this other world really

13:31

reinhart about i guess his brother

13:33

having experience is not just we reptilians by

13:35

witches and there's his battles that would

13:37

happen in inherently the reptilians

13:39

according to what he was told they

13:42

were good when i was like that's

13:44

not what i heard lot of you know the

13:46

he hit by then you start thinking about

13:48

you know what are motives i mean

13:50

so think about a times people

13:53

they take stories at face value in like

13:55

whoa that can't be true because i heard

13:57

over here on this story the exact

13:59

opposite it not the first one i heard so what

14:01

you just said can't be true and

14:04

i try to step away from that kind of stuff because

14:06

i don't know what is true to begin with i don't know

14:08

what this or saudi years by

14:10

then you start thinking about like on our side of things

14:12

as human beings we can sit here

14:15

and say one thing to are wise and

14:17

then turn around to our friends say another

14:19

thing that exact opposite because one

14:21

person or the other where does the why for the friend were

14:23

trying to convey a message to that we didn't

14:25

want to convey to the other person and it's called

14:27

lines and some folks are

14:29

you know it makes me wonder you know with the reptilians

14:31

study or could there be another motives like

14:33

okay wanna be a peaceful loving think

14:35

that this person into the want them to do a certain

14:37

thing or whatever but yeah

14:40

he had this all go experience and there

14:42

was a kiss underground war and he

14:44

and he actually the told that

14:46

there was at one point at present

14:48

think there was some kind of which or something and

14:51

is reptilian one of killing the

14:53

thing about in just rational terms

14:56

the this happen in michigan

14:58

you're thinking like really really

15:01

it's but then i start thinking about

15:03

like i don't know

15:04

what all this is but i do for me personally

15:07

i do believe that there are other dimensions

15:09

do believe that there's other realities

15:11

and if there's other things those realities

15:14

can day hope through

15:16

and i do i believe they can poke through

15:18

and that my present a whole

15:20

other thing where at a certain

15:22

geographic location in his realm something

15:24

is experienced by somebody or groups to people

15:27

that at a later date is impossible because no

15:29

longer his existence where as

15:31

this story that's the case like it was just

15:33

gone at some point it was just gonna reverse

15:36

i think he said the whole was gone or

15:38

maybe the tree were a camera exactly what was

15:40

but like he was literally impossible

15:43

physically impossible to access what was

15:45

being accessed because it was just gone

15:47

and so was that like a portal that

15:49

was presenting itself in very physical way

15:52

here in this realm don't know but

15:54

brine stories a very complex

15:56

story in think

15:58

it had more layers and what the even fathom right

16:00

now or in that kind of goes into

16:02

this whole other stuff that i'm working on

16:05

there are telling you thy know

16:07

we can get this later guess but in two

16:09

weeks from the time this recording i'm heading to utah

16:12

film another documentary and when i

16:14

get back my goal is to start of this whole

16:16

new stories are bringing people in studio to

16:18

really start recording and making it can be like season

16:20

or kind of thing i think

16:22

it can be groundbreaking when it drops can

16:24

i think brian stories going be popping up here

16:26

and there with

16:29

utah i assume you're going to skyn water

16:32

the never her skin lock not fs

16:34

so i can't to schumacher as because it's privately

16:37

owned can't in my documentary say skywalker

16:39

ranch russell get sued so

16:42

yeah what we're doing is

16:45

we have access to a property that butts up again

16:47

skyn walker ranch and we're going to be setting

16:49

a base camp there but are

16:51

just of this documentary is gonna

16:53

be what happens in the

16:55

area around skyn wateridge the

16:57

name is shown up the names because it's not just a

16:59

ranch and that's the common misperception

17:01

hear that people here skywalker ranch and think

17:03

oh the ranch has always was are not it's

17:05

not the ranch became popular

17:08

through experiences but these experiences

17:10

happen on the outside the range tuners a lot

17:12

people in the area that are

17:14

claiming bizarre things and so we're

17:16

gonna go with us a more broad perspective

17:19

and we're also gonna tackle where does all come

17:21

from what's the history behind it and we're we're

17:23

talking natives and locals the have had experiences

17:26

and it's can be really really cool whence

17:28

also done some that people haven't seen before

17:30

when it comes that area

17:31

nice i assume you're talking about ryan patrick

17:33

byrne through i've had on before my

17:35

man who owns that land

17:38

that land feeds me good guess once in awhile

17:40

but on the subject of skyn workers i

17:42

just recorded an interview that has not

17:44

aired yet with doctor gregory little

17:46

i become a big fan and this is like our third

17:48

interview but he just released new book with andrew

17:50

pollens called origins of the god

17:53

you some caves skyn walkers and contact

17:55

with transdimensional intelligences and

17:58

they hockey how about what

18:01

they think is the mechanism behind these paranormal

18:03

experiences and it seems to be

18:05

plasma and there's been

18:07

discoveries the last ten years in the

18:09

lab on plasmas that seemed

18:11

show they exhibit intelligence

18:14

they can breed they can

18:16

split apart and even evolutionary

18:19

trait show where weak ones will

18:21

this assemble and stronger latest

18:24

says will progress on and then they'll

18:27

break apart and there seems to be

18:29

like will and intentionality

18:31

behind these plasma there

18:33

are also natural plasmas an andrew

18:36

collins in a different interview listen to

18:38

he was asked about skyn walker ranch

18:40

and what he thinks that is like our they're

18:42

just plasmas foreigner and his take

18:44

was that there is like a blanket

18:47

have one and to

18:49

t the covers the area

18:52

and then you see aspects

18:54

of it or interacts with people it's

18:57

really wilde but what i like about their book

18:59

as they talk about native american shamanism

19:02

and there are indigenous cultures

19:04

that can call in the

19:06

reds are beans or whatever and when people have

19:08

these encounters there very often i

19:10

saw this been of light and

19:12

then it turned solid well

19:16

their perspective as these plasmas

19:18

emerge and their glowing and

19:20

then they soft ah the

19:22

electrons and the particles

19:24

from things around them that's why there's

19:26

such an overlap with these sightings and

19:28

caves or disrupted

19:30

dirt in the case the story we just talked

19:32

about because lot

19:35

of dirt and dust it

19:37

makes it easy for them to suck

19:39

up particles to appear solid

19:42

we're talking about basically like sente

19:44

an intelligent plasma life

19:46

that we do not know any fucking thing

19:49

about and it's just really provocative

19:51

to me also interviewed i feel like

19:53

i'm on your show doing all this talk i don't

19:55

usually do has no it's fine eric

19:57

dollars was a guy interviewed is kind like

20:00

care for type archetype

20:02

scientist and he did experiments

20:04

in the lab with exotic plasmas and he

20:07

captured a little the

20:09

white man like maybe the size of

20:11

beer bottle he said it moved around

20:13

and eat he didn't really want to get to end

20:15

to it is like look that's very weird and anything

20:18

say about it is gonna the credit

20:20

my other work on try to be serious scientists

20:22

year but that was weird was

20:24

like you manifested the spirit the

20:26

ominous page where think plasmas

20:29

have something to do with it and i like the the

20:31

keel valet young

20:33

and perspective that though many

20:35

these encounters enter play with the mind

20:38

so thou i used

20:40

to say that you're not looking at the thing itself

20:42

you're looking at a projection well

20:44

a lot of these guys the all

20:46

of them talked about this stuff in the eighties

20:49

or earlier we know way more about plasmas

20:51

now though when they say something

20:53

electromagnetic or it's a projection

20:56

it's like i think what you are trying

20:59

get that it's something with plasma

21:01

and there isn't interaction with the mine

21:03

so what you expect to see this kind

21:05

of what you get and that's

21:07

why think there's so much variance you talked about the

21:09

reptilian like over there supposed to be bad

21:12

well it's kind the snap judgment in your brain

21:14

you see something or

21:16

it reads your brain or something and it's like

21:18

it pulls an image are your subconscious reptilian

21:21

maybe don't have strong religious backgrounds you're

21:23

not going to see mary this time cc reptilian

21:26

and then maybe you're not interfere state

21:28

so it doesn't appear bad

21:30

it gets weird but mean that's that's how i've

21:33

account for the variance and all of this

21:35

stuff is that we are looking at

21:37

something that shape shift and it takes

21:39

an image from your own mind the

21:41

and it preys on your fear or

21:43

it or it acts as if it can

21:45

when you're not afraid that i

21:47

think it's weird reciprocal

21:49

sub conscious relationship maybe

21:52

would plasma that's

21:53

really interesting that's really interesting

21:56

i did movie time of the light man

21:58

it reminded me of a guy interviewed

22:00

he'd ascribing and during that kobe

22:02

lockdown crab use at home and

22:04

yet use board any starts crying

22:06

using his like tea cup and his coffee

22:09

and started taking like these videos

22:11

pictures of air as you stirring it and

22:14

he was pulling in some very extremely

22:18

vivid and clear pictures

22:20

and images and some them look like graze

22:22

it was very very interesting

22:25

it all started during the lockdown gives users board

22:28

and he's like a and try this is valued

22:31

by a it just reminded me of that i don't know why

22:33

but they go

22:35

he here or i would you save your going

22:37

out there definitely take a look at origins

22:39

of gods who the think it presents a

22:41

new case and it's always good have like

22:44

the most cutting edge or most unique

22:46

respective going into making

22:48

documentary about weird place that a lot people

22:50

speculated about but if it is a

22:52

wild one then coming back

22:54

to episodes you've done there was

22:56

one i really like called secret military

22:59

inaki and technology with this guy

23:01

named charlie who apparently

23:03

was sent out on recovery operation

23:06

for downed craft when he was

23:08

the military and then they got

23:10

this weird all

23:12

black short winged plane like craft

23:15

and one of the screens when they got inside

23:17

had weird characters on he was searching

23:19

through his field manual of languages and

23:21

his colleagues said you won't find it their deaths

23:24

and not yeah that's an ancient demon

23:26

language and they do

23:28

see some weird figures that neither here shooting

23:31

they see the equipment and remnants

23:33

of another team glossed over a

23:35

lot but the weirdest part

23:37

is when they get back to base and people

23:39

should listen to this because it he talks about in two

23:41

hours but he expects a

23:43

debriefing session but

23:45

as commanding officer sorts describing

23:48

a rescue mission at the same location

23:50

and nobody else remembers they were just

23:53

there his they can well are we being sent

23:55

on a rescue mission for ourselves and

23:57

it was a weird time loop

23:59

and there with portals time loops

24:02

i mean they're basically the portals

24:04

of he know of time now we

24:06

have portals of space that

24:08

is a really crazy stories

24:10

seem like it could have been a really great

24:12

twilight zone episode it

24:15

wow man that's a that's great one that's

24:17

one way that i would assume that's one to europe

24:19

most unique episode

24:21

the all time of certify it

24:24

when i drive that episode charlie

24:26

he reached out to me and that's not his real

24:28

name he admired his causes real name and we

24:30

can go into the what happened after this interview aired

24:33

by it he contacted me tells

24:35

me this story in the email and

24:37

listen where and when every time

24:39

i get somebody that wants to share with

24:41

me bizarre weird experience they had

24:43

while they were serving the military i am down

24:46

for that and he can't add

24:48

me on my guess i'd put him right front line

24:50

like when he was interview yesterday like students

24:52

you know and we schedule the time

24:54

a few weeks later and he wanted back out got cold

24:57

feet and i said okay just let know if you ever change of mind

24:59

months later he can't as he goes like okay i think

25:01

we can do this and we spend

25:03

pry like an hour talking before we the stern

25:05

interviewed curse while we've don't have you serious

25:08

with the caliber of guess you have

25:10

on the show but with mine they're not

25:12

really used to talking publicly and so

25:14

sometimes they're very nervous and you got

25:16

kind of warm up just down the relaxing

25:18

and you have your just talking me cause thing then

25:21

we started recording i had no

25:23

idea how deep that

25:26

story was gonna go they

25:28

found myself sitting there like

25:30

my brain went somewhere else while he was talking

25:33

i was consuming what his story was almost

25:35

like an audience member and then my brain

25:37

was just putting puzzle

25:39

pieces together as he's going along and and

25:41

piecing things together trying to rationalize certain

25:44

things and i do that sometimes

25:46

with these complex stories that i get sometimes

25:48

on the show the as sometimes you get the

25:50

oh hey i lived in haunted house here some stories and sometimes

25:52

you give of one story that takes two

25:54

hours to tell and those are very complex

25:57

when that happens i tend to actually

26:00

started try piece things together try to make sense

26:02

of what they experienced his blood ties people they

26:04

want share their story because of that can

26:06

you help me make sense of this car thing and

26:09

remember presenting certain things to

26:11

him during that interview that

26:14

just kind of put him back in his seat is like

26:16

wow i never saw the that were fact i think

26:18

if i remember correctly the part where you

26:20

mentioned where he was being sent out

26:22

on to a reconnaissance mission

26:24

to get people think

26:26

i present the idea that could it be with

26:28

all this weird stuff happening that there was

26:30

some kind of time loop where you are being sent

26:32

out to yourself i

26:35

just never having him that go wow

26:37

i never thought about way the

26:39

interview is spotted

26:41

a relationship friendship with me and him and

26:43

women i taught probably at least once a month

26:46

in this way he

26:48

served his time military one he got

26:50

out this experience changed

26:53

his life he left the country because

26:55

he didn't feel comfortable staying in

26:57

our country longer you live in another

26:59

country to this day and he works

27:01

intelligence to this day as well like he has

27:03

access to technology that

27:05

you and i don't have access to so like

27:07

every once in awhile need of a little favor ended

27:11

, one thousand attracts of a down and

27:13

i like listen and this person that goes i have their name

27:15

that said he came back with to home addresses

27:17

is like mail on sunday make a

27:20

how to explain how to got their mailing address

27:22

mailing her jokes that his experience

27:24

going into the woods don't know if he won't

27:26

tell me where it happened

27:29

but the experience of going into the woods to

27:31

recover technology office down aircraft

27:34

said when he when they approach this doubt aircraft

27:36

after i think was it day or two of hiking into

27:38

this location when said the thing

27:40

looked like nothing is ever seen before dugouts

27:42

i had like had checkerboard look to it and

27:45

wherever they were is hop if

27:47

it wouldn't touch those cold to the touch

27:49

and when got in and and a different language

27:52

this is where no don't know

27:55

what he experienced what he encounters

27:57

because on the show he said you

28:00

told the language it was a nokia in and

28:02

he wasn't sure about uses the he had never heard

28:04

of it before and i have time

28:06

of interviewing him that this was episode one twenty

28:08

two years ago i hadn't heard of

28:10

and okay most my education with lotta

28:12

stuff it comes to talking to people with their

28:14

experiences i don't that's

28:16

how i developed in i was truck driver when

28:18

first started as i have lot of time to do a

28:20

reading i just listen to podcasts so

28:24

when he said that as like you mean inaki

28:26

in and to this day i'm not

28:28

sure if met a nokia or knock him out

28:31

on both ways like crawley and crowley

28:34

okay so i wasn't sure but when

28:36

went looking for he knocking in language

28:38

is like this whole language of the angels

28:40

and and all his stuff was like whoa my

28:42

my brain kind of hard and that

28:45

interview was interview was learning

28:47

experience me where i learned so much

28:50

i gained new friend which is cool and

28:52

he shared a legendary

28:54

story of how our government

28:57

their true specialize like he was part

28:59

of specialized group m he was his

29:01

best he was technology there's other people

29:03

who were there for safety purposes there

29:06

other people who scientists from different universities

29:08

that he's gone on missions with before and

29:10

they go in for the knowledge of the experience

29:13

stuff like this is i get super

29:15

classified the books

29:17

kind of thing the he did the and

29:20

when you hear somebody talking about this

29:23

kind of stuff and putting it that the story

29:25

it gives you an image like we all had these assumptions

29:27

we heard this we heard that but then you

29:29

hear stories about his like yeah i've been

29:31

through something like that me tell you what it was

29:34

what i experience and so we

29:36

changed his name on that interview because

29:39

we're safety purposes so you know echo bravo

29:41

charlie are you gov charlie was and

29:43

so the interview

29:45

airs and this was years ago

29:48

the went viral the first week had

29:50

almost hundred thousand downloads i like holy

29:53

crap like the i was like tony

29:55

view of a ride in next week the library back

29:57

to normal numbers like are dying of aids

30:00

goes viral and then

30:02

him and i are talking like month or two later and

30:04

he's like hey some things have happened recently

30:06

since the interview aired i

30:09

was like okay what is like her don't

30:11

feel i'm comfortable talking about

30:13

a as like okay i mean do you want

30:15

talk about are very like knowledge and mean i don't

30:17

think i feel comfortable talking about it they

30:19

okay and then i think like a year or two later

30:22

he dominion are talking and he

30:24

goes for in tells me a are taught by

30:27

for my safety purposes

30:29

can you just make a member could i had members of our

30:31

let's say that time the make a membership

30:33

privacy thing and can a lot of down from as like

30:35

yeah guess me i'll take it makes

30:37

anything safe for you as a mean if wanted

30:40

they're going get it yeah the military's got seven

30:42

bucks yeah they got some of our family

30:44

right i was like hey man if wanna

30:46

talk cool let's do it and so we

30:48

talked and long story short the

30:50

country's living in he's working

30:52

in the tech field and all that stuff and he

30:54

still goes on certain the got

30:56

missions or whatever he

30:59

was approached the home

31:01

by the police and

31:03

they said that they need him to come

31:05

down in station at a certain day time

31:08

because they need have conversation with amazing

31:11

what is about they said we

31:13

don't know and turns out that

31:16

our government military was

31:18

the ones that he was meeting there the

31:20

got lawyer and he told the lawyer kind

31:22

what's going on the because

31:25

he brought a lawyer though they

31:27

couldn't really discuss in detail

31:29

but basically they wanted

31:31

assurances from him now this

31:34

is very random if wasn't for

31:36

him appearing my show recently he

31:38

would be in complete darkness the why they're

31:41

picking him out by they

31:43

wanted basically assurances from him that he's

31:45

not looking to harm united

31:47

states government with any kind of information

31:49

that could be harmful and i

31:51

so even though he used a fake name your

31:53

they they knew exactly who he was and

31:56

then he also talked about these

31:59

experiences where you works where he believed that

32:01

may be somebody that was

32:03

new working with him might have been placed

32:05

their to monitor and because the person was getting

32:07

a little nosy because he's kind of a private guy

32:10

in guys like putting up with him and then

32:12

you know hey let's get together after work

32:14

where you live you know can come over to the

32:16

house we should hang out and asking

32:18

questions about his background and things

32:20

that just didn't seem quite right and when

32:22

we talked about on show the had suspicions about

32:24

that about that that kind like simmer

32:26

down a little bit last i talked to him but

32:28

the story is [unk] the time

32:31

military glitch kind of story

32:34

within the story of the down craft

32:36

and what experiences multi layered and

32:38

i just recently got access of them try to

32:40

get on show the two different guys in

32:42

military who shared who have a

32:44

story similar long lines of

32:46

the glitch experience and stuff and

32:49

i'd like to get them on the show a possible

32:51

by it's hard mean it's hard for military

32:53

guys come forward talk about this stuff then

32:55

on top of it i'm not military i've

32:57

never been in military i don't know the lingo

33:00

the like why would i want to talk to you

33:03

why should i talk to you all that kind

33:05

stuff not part the brotherhood

33:07

and i think that's big deal though

33:09

we'll see what happens stuff by yeah that

33:11

was episode one twenty two and then i

33:13

released him so when i did

33:15

the second interview those posts me members only was

33:17

it is i released original

33:20

interview that tuesday for preparation for thereby

33:22

for membership only stove on that thursday

33:24

and that release is episode three fifty

33:27

one which i just did little tweaking

33:29

with the audio because my production skill

33:31

got little better so took the old audio and

33:33

clean below betters doctor such little better

33:35

quality self if you want to check out would suggest

33:37

three fifty one sega little bit better audio

33:39

quality than the original

33:42

right on right on yeah it's

33:44

one of my favorite stories from your show

33:46

and your sock when you have something

33:48

really juicy you want to share of people

33:50

need just have to put behind pay

33:52

wall i mean sox

33:55

swear goes yeah i

33:57

mean the so when january

33:59

sixth

34:01

ahmed i'm good go too far as

34:03

a society we're not going to get take and but

34:05

i'm dystopian future it's okay so i read

34:07

t lives as best i can my

34:09

prediction is we're all doomed like i'm not

34:11

i'm not the life of a party okay you want to bring me to

34:13

a party kiss don't get me talking cause

34:15

it's so around that time

34:17

though i was renewed to ease on

34:19

like are things are not looking good

34:22

my fry when comes to my contacts that i i

34:24

dabbled in conspiracy because i i i love

34:27

talking about that kind of stuff by

34:29

, thinking maybe

34:31

we stick with paranormal for while so

34:33

what did was my my public shows

34:35

for the most part since then have been

34:37

mostly paranormal little touch on conspiratorial

34:40

generalization they'll un tuck them in black cool

34:42

air by does he know if it's on you tube good

34:45

bye it's anything that might be

34:47

kind sticky like i've done interviews with

34:49

people who have been through mk

34:51

ultra satanic ritual abuse

34:53

and and abuse conspiracy gonna lie people

34:55

were calling the memories like the one woman cats

34:57

in the middle of the interview she's talking it all these

34:59

experiences and like have you ever heard of

35:01

mk ultra and she's like and now

35:03

and then i kind of sky sources like okay

35:05

i'm like okay think you might been part that

35:07

programming of that that you were on interviewer

35:10

she does college melted she's like can i get

35:12

five min she hung up with me and

35:14

we had reconnect later and stuff because

35:16

a guy took for a whirlwind bites because

35:18

of that allowed her to explore

35:20

thought l y her life and

35:22

your childhood was way was and

35:24

her memories and she's and piecing things

35:26

together so that kind of stuff was getting thrown

35:28

behind paywall because was just like yo if i put

35:30

this up an apple it might put target

35:33

on me that i don't want so now

35:35

we just got to we put the more sensitive

35:37

stuff behind a paywall but a lot of stuff

35:39

here on tuesdays is there on thursdays as well

35:41

but think of this deep conspiracy that can get

35:44

unwanted attention i just keep out little more private

35:47

i get it and that story parallels

35:50

story i have so well

35:52

in l a sometimes they have these events

35:54

at restaurants where can smoke weed and

35:57

eat a meal and you know i try to grab

35:59

every why those i can yeah so

36:01

me and couple of buddies my wife went up to

36:03

one and the

36:05

older woman sat with us and

36:07

we were just bullshit and and she starts talking

36:09

about somebody abuse that

36:11

she went through and you

36:13

know she came out the hollywood young and

36:16

you go we i'd and naive then

36:18

she got kind of put do meat grinder

36:21

no pun intended and she

36:23

said the word institutional like it seemed

36:25

like it was structured and i said

36:28

have you ever heard of mk ultra and

36:30

she first into hysterical

36:33

tears as if i said like

36:35

a trigger word that was implanted

36:38

enter and i'm with people who do

36:40

not know about this stuff mean my wife

36:42

does but my buddies i don't care and

36:44

they don't care what i do for work it's

36:46

like any other job and

36:49

this reaction they're all like what

36:51

the fuck did you do dude you broke this woman

36:54

and i'm like look at shirts that's what

36:56

it's called it was

36:58

just so weird she weird she like

37:00

basically was yes i have to go and

37:02

shows you might have unlocked so much for

37:04

me i'm gonna go research this then

37:07

it was very strange and it made me think

37:09

ever since and never have i talked about the stories

37:11

that was such just a small like kind of in

37:13

passing thing but it made me think

37:16

that maybe they are encoded

37:18

the be like if you ever hear this like

37:21

you're gonna break down it is it's strange

37:23

but when you talk to mk ultra victims

37:26

they do have triggers implanted

37:28

annum some say that the triggers

37:30

are always there and then if

37:32

someone who's in the big club knows

37:35

that you were put through this program

37:37

in and they want to get their rocks off

37:40

they pull you aside they say the magic

37:42

words and you go into or

37:44

than be mode and you just let them have

37:46

their way with you and it's

37:48

sick but that's the process

37:51

mechanisms that i've heard before this

37:54

to hear a story like that that so

37:56

damn similar it's while really

37:59

while yeah

38:00

the county man the guy interviewed or twice for

38:02

the members were going to a third one were actually

38:04

to do and and chaos around him right i

38:06

have people that have been on show that

38:09

victims of a m we're going also down

38:11

and compare notes what was your experience

38:13

where you think about it okay so cat said as hollywood

38:15

you think about that's you know is that your similar

38:17

experience for years different in just can't pass

38:19

it out though by the second interview

38:22

i did with cats she talked about

38:24

some more details of childhood and

38:26

one thing is verser i'm fairly

38:28

certain her mom was deeply involved

38:30

in some kind of like satanic

38:33

calls and she has a friend that she still friends

38:35

with day that went through similar experiences

38:37

with her parents and seems a is as

38:39

or underground kind of thing but cat

38:41

was pretty much without

38:43

seeing the exchange of money sold

38:45

to man by her mom as teenager

38:47

with a baby and she had go live with

38:49

this guy new york and she

38:51

basically didn't fulfill what he wanted

38:53

out of whatever cows posts provide

38:56

and he basically said you gotta

38:58

get outta here you gotta go back it was crazy

39:00

by he gives his real side

39:02

of life where it's like the of

39:04

this stuff is like there's some the crazy

39:07

mystical stuff that goes on and switches

39:09

people's brains in alaska but then there's the

39:11

other side of it where was she was experience where

39:13

her mom was probably involved the stuff

39:15

as well and how her mom basically

39:18

it's like selling her and sex slavery kind of thing

39:20

know and this sub is very

39:22

real and i don't think that anybody

39:24

that list as yourself for sure understands

39:26

that and is no surprise that

39:28

this kind of stuff happen it's

39:30

a shame and think we're still dealing

39:33

with the remnants of what you would call

39:35

mk ultra i dont

39:37

think its stopped they say stopped dont think

39:39

stopped think they just rebranded new names and

39:41

thats what they do they always recycle things thats why

39:44

you see their tactics never changed

39:46

they just the time changes so like

39:48

if you're history buff you it like reading it's healy's

39:51

all yeah i do is look backwards in time

39:53

the stuff they try now they've tried

39:55

before it's like they lack creativity

39:58

and so it's just constant british

40:00

in of actions that these people

40:02

do and i think when it comes

40:04

to mk ultra it's the exact

40:06

thing think they might have rebranded

40:08

program things like that but a new facelift

40:10

on it but it's the same thing i

40:13

agree

40:14

on a subject of round tables one

40:16

more thing i wanted to bring up before we spend

40:18

some time on the dog man documentary

40:21

in this first hour is around table

40:23

you did a few years ago with for

40:25

guests talking about the hollow earth

40:27

one of my favorite ideas and

40:30

it was very christian based in

40:32

you know personally

40:34

think quoting biblical scripture is the

40:36

best way to make the case for big hollow

40:38

inhabited cavity inside the earth but i will

40:40

take what can get very few people talk

40:42

about at all yeah i'm curious your

40:44

thoughts on what is really beneath

40:46

the surface and how inhabited might

40:49

be though

40:50

i'm sure you get this experience the hate mail

40:52

on certain suffixes outside whenever

40:54

whenever i have a guest on the show

40:57

that are heavily christian

41:00

i'm a christian what i approached my

41:02

show where it's just like hey i don't care

41:04

who you are let's talk and civil conversation

41:06

goes the when have to christians it tends to go

41:08

that way more than others i believe

41:11

it yeah so just in fall

41:13

westfall brothers they made his documentary

41:15

and i brought him on talk about the brought him other guys

41:17

stuff that i can remember get the who was all their

41:19

chad riley in does somebody else by

41:22

their motive for the

41:24

documentary and a flatter as part

41:26

of what are we going that one day work hard

41:28

but howard the motive

41:31

the greg it is in

41:33

medieval greg's audience to their motivation

41:35

was to christian audience their

41:39

efforts i think are more

41:41

geared towards the christian church and

41:44

exposing the christian church to the

41:46

bizarre stuff at the christian church doesn't want to

41:48

teach there's a lot weird things that happened

41:50

in the bible lot of it and it

41:52

just gets skipped over on sundays a most christians

41:54

have no idea there's

41:56

no problem in the bible that giants were more than

41:58

just goliath like they have no

42:00

the or and that's already the edited bible

42:02

who know though they took out camera times they

42:04

edited down

42:05

exactly just in the old testament

42:08

what we know that there's a story

42:10

of david in his mighty men these dudes were like

42:12

freaking x men and how they

42:14

encountered giants and how giants

42:17

that were goliath relatives went basically

42:19

popped up here in their towards david could they

42:21

be killed allies and like all the stuff you're

42:23

not taught about because they don't want teach the

42:25

giants exist they don't teach about the never lumps

42:28

and all that stuff because they run the vatican

42:30

now just as right

42:32

out of you look sixty di bologna throats

42:34

vote i think justin in west their motivation

42:37

is more towards chris noughties begin with that's why

42:39

was like that's but when comes to the

42:41

hollow earth that

42:43

aside a christian biblical references as of

42:45

my personal perspective is absolutely

42:47

one hundred percent there is a logical

42:50

conversation we had without any

42:52

mr gore type of thought when

42:54

it comes to hollow earth is called a mammoth cave

42:57

system

42:58

absolutely huge it in kentucky

43:01

stretches all way up and zoo new

43:03

york like the earth is

43:05

hollow when you look at

43:07

the idea of how big these cases

43:09

as can be the just discovered what think in china like

43:11

a couple weeks ago is like a giant hole

43:13

the ground that they found in like goes three hundred

43:15

feet deep and there's actual like jungle

43:17

rain forest inside the earth this

43:19

point the earth is so

43:22

complex in itself that i personally

43:24

believe the earth is hollow i think there

43:26

is a logical way

43:29

to talk about this when you want to

43:31

enter into the paranormal mystical

43:33

kind of thing yeah i think that that

43:35

could the of portal entryways

43:37

into other realms i'm exploring

43:40

that right now on the other projects

43:42

and what lives there could reptilians

43:44

with like we're talking about earlier is that what the whole

43:46

underground could bigfoot live their dog

43:49

mandy scripted these creatures

43:51

what are they why did they come from the inner

43:53

earth is it portal that goes to

43:55

their realms like i do one hundred

43:57

percent believe that the earth could be

43:59

is hop the way innocent i guarantee

44:01

you it's hollow because we do know physically

44:03

there are huge cave systems that are so complex

44:06

that they all haven't been explored

44:08

so where did they lead to where did they go

44:10

to they lead to an area that is even

44:12

bigger with the china thing like

44:15

i think they didn't know

44:17

they had no idea that this thing was there

44:19

but they discovered a whole forest ecosystem

44:22

inside the earth what's in there

44:25

i don't know but for me yes

44:27

i believe the earth is definitely how enough

44:29

want to go that a flat earth maybe the earth is

44:31

like a flat on top bullshit kind

44:33

of thing so it's like you get the best about world

44:35

that honor

44:37

what i like about the flat earth people as they

44:39

focus heavily on antartica as

44:41

well and that's hollow earth and flutter

44:43

thing that seems like the key to understanding

44:45

what this thing is would be in

44:47

antarctica and that's why they have the international

44:49

treaty countries can agree on shit

44:52

for they can all agree that other one

44:54

zone then in

44:56

terms of what we do you know about the inner

44:58

surface i'm in the mohawk layer is a

45:00

layer beneath the mantle that is supposed to

45:02

be porous like dishwashing

45:04

spawns and it's like that's like that's

45:06

a real estate in there and

45:09

when they did crash something in the moon

45:11

if they did you know allegedly

45:13

nasa you can ever trust them but

45:15

it rang like a bell there

45:18

our researchers you have brought up on

45:20

the show the seismic waves when

45:22

they do have our readers

45:24

who who register an earthquake

45:27

they go through one side the earth then

45:29

there's a big yeah and

45:31

then they show up on the other side as

45:33

if they can't measure the way because there's an

45:35

inner cavity and

45:37

yeah we are the or forests

45:40

that have been found there's one in in china

45:42

that's pretty well known there's

45:44

enter oceans and i've

45:46

heard people say that if you just went out the

45:48

middle the ocean and you scooped up a

45:50

bucket of water and you analyzed

45:53

it and you categorize and labeled

45:55

every microbe and

45:57

everything you found there you would have discovered

46:00

more than we even know about and

46:02

if that's true on any level

46:04

what's inside an inner ocean right

46:06

you know how diverse is the life

46:09

down there

46:10

probably pretty crazy in and it definitely

46:12

overlaps with forty entails

46:15

there's all kinds stuff like and there was a story

46:18

in michael moore's book

46:20

caverns the holograms and

46:22

concealed creatures the a

46:24

schoolteacher who was walking kids down

46:27

the into cave naive enough far you know keeping

46:29

it safe than the he ran

46:31

into like the

46:33

giants wild men down

46:36

there it's like shit

46:39

i love that's

46:40

kind of stuff i live for man i love

46:42

these stories i get insists know

46:44

what is part of a do you know it is it's

46:46

this kind of stuff that stretches your brain

46:49

and it

46:50

reminds you to allow yourself

46:52

to let your mind wander we did that has kids

46:54

man like the imaginations we had as kids

46:56

and wondering what life could be in getting wrapped up

46:58

in the loch ness monster and all as stuff like

47:00

and then as life goes on you hit these

47:02

different stages become teenager getting involved in

47:04

sports or use the girls and you

47:07

get distracted and then you graduate high school

47:09

and college and party may get our college

47:11

or like oh my god i have all this data gotta find

47:13

a job and can make money you get all

47:15

this distraction when you enter into these rounds

47:17

with this podcast where it's you hear these stories

47:19

a just stretches your brain and lets

47:22

you start wondering like child again like what is

47:24

possible and then you start really started

47:26

looking into restart listen to more the shows

47:28

starts reading and studying

47:30

at you like oh i think i'm fairly

47:32

certain this world is bizarre

47:34

and everything i thought that was true

47:37

at one time i gas are questioning again

47:39

and

47:40

i want that stuff i like for me love when

47:42

my show and i put out episode that does after

47:44

other people

47:45

i love getting the emails people saying that

47:47

you know i started this in your show and it's

47:49

just totally changed my perspective as to

47:51

what is even possible and

47:54

at the same time provided so many answers

47:56

for like series my own life on just like

47:58

yeah that's that's gold the

48:01

the

48:01

beautiful day and right i think it seems like we

48:03

were both dustin we're

48:06

mundane

48:07

middle the road nine to five jobs

48:10

making know

48:11

are very little impact on the world

48:13

and look at now mail were doing alright

48:16

i'll tell you as you would user said

48:18

so weird because our paranormal gotta panel

48:20

podcast rates by one of my deepest

48:22

desires in life is just have a positive

48:25

impact in the world around me it's

48:27

something that's always been part me as kid growing

48:29

up and it's so funny that there

48:32

are no podcasting is that route

48:34

that i found fulfillment in for that desire

48:36

and just like the emails that i get

48:38

that you get the hate mail is done as as part process

48:40

but he a lot of great emails from people

48:42

that just like thank for doing what you do stuff

48:44

and just it gives you that more sense

48:46

of purpose of just like yeah we're actually doing

48:48

something that's good for the world which is great until

48:51

you know some i was a sensor you it sucks no

48:54

cheers to that

48:56

and we gotta fit the cent of first our

48:58

it's the big promotional thing that's the

49:00

dog man documentary not

49:02

only did it come out on my birthday march

49:04

twenty fifth but was actually pretty

49:06

good to can you tell the people

49:09

what it was about this guy kyle's

49:11

story that made you wanna follow

49:13

up considering the wide range of stories it's

49:15

you have to choose from

49:17

yeah so coyote have a spin

49:19

nominal story moving

49:22

up for him to go through by for an audience

49:24

to listen to fantastic

49:27

and the uniqueness otherwise

49:29

one wasn't too far from hours in philadelphia

49:31

pennsylvania the time he was kentucky says about

49:33

a ten hour drive i'd say bites the

49:36

was a very geographically base where he could

49:38

take me to a location where this monster

49:40

almost killed him and he

49:42

never been back there before

49:45

ever and he was willing take

49:47

me there if i came in the same

49:49

time i didn't know starting documentaries

49:51

i was starting to try to you to more

49:53

serious because they i got an email

49:55

that that a week after went full time pike as

49:57

and like hey guess what we're going to monetize your town like our

50:00

the revenue stream less to see how gotten so

50:02

they take me down and so i started thinking about

50:04

they may doing like an action while kind of thing where

50:06

i filmed different places whatever

50:08

that's the intent of this whole thing what

50:10

happened though was com

50:12

i interviewed him and said hey on the interview said hey

50:14

would you show me this area he said yes

50:17

the time me going down people came across

50:19

it has that i didn't have before ward

50:21

my cameraman used to have film for glenn

50:24

beck at blaze and he contacted

50:26

me and we got to develop friendship like

50:28

hey would you want to dawn in adventure and

50:30

he's like yeah let's do it the increase

50:32

in use the the has done stuff with discovery

50:34

channel and he the treasure hunter and he's great

50:36

with developing a story line of project

50:39

and he wanted to com and and joe

50:41

came enjoy that musician is

50:43

and of he's a member of van tesla does rap

50:45

rock and singing all this different stuff i'm like

50:48

dude you want to com and hunt mars is like absolutely

50:50

like really a shame we

50:53

also and it certain is professional

50:56

documentary were hours the face of

50:58

it obviously i bring the audience

51:00

and stuff by these guys brought

51:02

their skills and he just turned is amazing

51:05

awesome creation but

51:07

we go down there to basically

51:09

see what happens we're as spend week in

51:11

the daniel boone national forest in the area

51:13

of this attack hunting down

51:16

the dog man and i told the guys

51:18

going into i said listen guys were not coming

51:20

down here telling people that were going to find dog

51:23

man we're not going into this with any expectations

51:25

were going into it for the experience

51:28

of the experience we're not looking

51:30

to develop an experience or manufacture

51:33

anything we want go down there put ourselves

51:35

in the environment and just see what happens we're going

51:37

try i brought a predator

51:39

call down abroad coyote your and down

51:42

all this stuff we were guaranteed

51:44

any action and just wanted see what would happen

51:47

then rewind little bit guess and just for the

51:49

audience in with a little bit of what his story

51:51

was hi always around my age

51:53

think he's thirty five thirty six and that and

51:56

when he was fifteen was in danube nasa

51:58

forced at night who and hunting

52:00

with his two dogs his grandfather

52:02

his grandfather stays in truck because grandfather's

52:05

orderly a two way radios they

52:07

could be communication dogs take

52:09

off on sense and shortly after

52:11

you hear coyotes coming in to dogs

52:13

treat raccoon so kyle

52:15

follows the barking sound you tell by how

52:17

they're barking as to of dirt on trail

52:19

something or they actually treat a raccoon

52:22

there treat raccoon and is coyote

52:24

start coming in any hear

52:26

it scramble said yeah to

52:28

that the dogs you for the carries your of his me a fight

52:30

as be ugly so he's book and through the woods

52:33

at night try to get there he doesn't get

52:35

there in time fight breaks out and there's

52:37

two dogs of his there was taken both

52:39

jake was the veteran dog that everybody

52:41

nary knew about it was biggest dog the

52:43

best hunting dog i mean legendary dogs

52:46

and then there was bow which was training dogs

52:48

so they teach your dog had one the

52:50

in and out with experience dogs in dog learn from

52:52

the the dogs though comes across

52:54

these coyotes try to fight them as stuff he

52:56

takes off running the jags there

52:59

and he's fighting off his kyrie than he said

53:01

you could hear him coming in one at time on jake's and

53:03

it was doing fine the

53:05

pacing think was off then

53:07

he said these coyotes came

53:09

in as a pack and it came in on his

53:11

dog and they were kicking the crap

53:13

out of his dog and he's trying

53:15

to get there and then all the sun years and

53:17

it would all come in in the

53:19

fight changes and he carries run off screaming

53:22

and crying and his dog j

53:24

goes back to shrink his raccoon he comes

53:26

up to jake any pets jake on the head

53:28

good dogs and he hears as other dog

53:30

bo on the other side a tree chopping down on

53:32

coyote so he goes

53:35

around is treated see the dog bo

53:37

and basically the like good job oh you know he came

53:40

back but what he was greeted

53:42

with on other side wasn't bow at all like is

53:44

assumption he said he saw

53:46

a dog on the other side is tree that

53:48

was so big that it was holding

53:51

coyote by the rib cage in it's mouth

53:53

this thing with absolutely huge

53:56

and when he locked eyes with this thing it

53:59

stood up on the hind legs drops

54:01

the coyote he takes off running and

54:03

this think chased after him now germanic

54:06

part of the story i can never relay

54:09

like he did because he was there in a moment

54:11

and ages people cried

54:13

after hearing this story this

54:16

think chases after him in your

54:18

own reason why kyle survives is

54:20

because jake intervened his

54:22

dog on three different occasions the first

54:24

time this dog man creature

54:27

through j got to the side and keeps coming

54:29

out this haven't really fast then

54:32

he came back in again in this creature just

54:34

took shake and thrown through

54:36

the woods and he said you could hear jig

54:38

busting through tree branches crying

54:40

like use dying through process of

54:42

being thrown then he was just

54:44

like my dog is dead and

54:47

i'm dead the same time

54:49

he trips over treat i had fallen over his

54:51

falls over this thing comes in on

54:53

him that and he

54:55

said it's right on tommy said was so close

54:57

to him that he could see down back

54:59

his throat that's how close it was there

55:02

here at a last second the

55:05

comes in again and broadsides

55:08

creature and he gets

55:10

up runs calling for his dog to come

55:12

but while hes calling for dog to come he hears

55:14

this creature just tearing his dog to pieces

55:16

he could hear his dog dying as hes running

55:18

away he hits a clearing

55:20

he fires off a shot the air his yeah

55:22

come on jay come on jake jake is not common

55:25

get back in his truck his grandfather

55:28

is i just go just go just go and i've been

55:30

this area is out there very

55:32

remote eroded they came in

55:34

on is a one lane road in the daniel boone

55:36

it's not like road

55:39

road it like a logging road almost then

55:41

his grandfather goes with where's the dog he's i just

55:43

go he tells his grandfather what

55:45

happy his grandfather on the way back

55:47

to the house said to him listen

55:50

if you're gonna hunt these woods there things

55:52

out here you can explain if you can't come to

55:54

grips with that you're not going to be good hundred you

55:56

have make decision now if you can handle

55:58

it or not a cycle what the heck

56:01

so his grandfather said we're going come back

56:03

out tomorrow look the dogs and he's like

56:05

listen bow is gone and jake

56:07

is dead there's no point coming out said of jake

56:09

did what you say jake good for you you

56:11

owe it to him to come out look for him the

56:13

next day they get up in more into go

56:15

out looking for jake the

56:17

can't find a the in the morning

56:20

his grandpa late as coat the grounds thinking hey listen

56:22

if jay can get seventies alive he'll

56:24

come to the coat and and will come back this evening

56:26

and look for the go back in the evening

56:28

in dry around can't find jake and

56:30

then they're drive down road and they see

56:32

dog his grandpa was like look there's

56:34

boston them inside row get your leash and go get both

56:37

we go to get boeing as gets closer it

56:39

wasn't bow it was actually jake jake

56:42

survived the attack and said that she was so

56:44

torn up you could see like the inside of him he

56:46

said his ears looks like noodles they just like

56:48

was shredded cheese they take you

56:50

home nobody expecting

56:52

j to survive fortunately for

56:55

kyle yeah car ghana

56:58

to differ named and what he's really was cervix try

57:00

to the right once so fortunately

57:02

for kyle his grandmother

57:04

was a going the women in the area that

57:06

people rather animals to like she was wasn't of that but

57:08

she took care of animals in nurse them as stuff and

57:11

she actually went one of nursing jag

57:13

back to health he said jake was never

57:16

good hunting dog after that but he was a

57:18

hunting dog he would go out hunting just never was

57:20

as good or the same again and then

57:22

to complete story two weeks later both

57:24

shows up at a shop like miles away

57:27

and they called off his tag in

57:29

brought dog back over they got both their dogs

57:31

jag libya an old dog but the story

57:33

scarred kyle to the point

57:35

that kyle never went back to that areas entire

57:38

life so i got there and he brought

57:40

me into those woods again and he

57:42

wouldn't go out there at night so when

57:44

we went out there and that we had to make sure that guy

57:46

would bring us in during day shows an area

57:49

we had a get him out before got dark

57:51

and then go back in at night and do are filming

57:53

and hunting and stuff so like it was logistically

57:55

a complicated kyle

57:58

would not do it at night unfortunately

58:01

for kyle we had some experiences

58:03

during the day bad really

58:06

shook him up like you've visibly saw cause

58:08

ptsd coming in and shaking

58:11

him off it they were going experience

58:13

a lifetime will be going back because is a lot

58:15

unanswered questions but we're not going

58:17

do that next what i'm doing the skin walker

58:19

in utah next so it

58:22

on yeah that's a great

58:24

murray i really enjoyed it and i guess

58:26

it was fifteen years later you went

58:28

back but these portal areas

58:30

know maybe they are quite timeless

58:32

there we have covered a lot of ground

58:35

and gonna cut back to the pre

58:38

show here you know the ending is always the

58:40

promotional stuff and so i'd

58:42

tacking onto the and that's how i added

58:45

things but have

58:47

to ask you about this weird story you told

58:49

on tinfoil hat and this probably

58:51

it can be rolled right into a promo i

58:53

think you're skilled enough to do so but

58:56

apparently some guy met

58:58

an entity in cave

59:00

and allowed themselves be taken over do

59:02

work for this thing currently the story

59:04

goes so deep you want to make totally

59:07

different podcast about it and

59:09

his story was told in a fictional

59:11

book that you have that

59:13

you won't tell anyone who has what does

59:15

book is what's going on here tony

59:17

what the hell is that book

59:19

man listen ah rico

59:22

couple more hours hours

59:24

and so human along that book title

59:27

suggests that nobody listened i've

59:29

had people reaching out nobody

59:32

i am and who doesn't book the book is very real

59:34

are the reason why i am protecting

59:36

the book right now because i am and communication

59:39

with the author and see

59:41

is terrified of

59:43

what happened

59:45

that book because it's very real and she

59:47

told me his by the story

59:49

to restart their man like a story starts with

59:51

a guy who contacted me to share

59:53

with me his experiences with

59:55

his friend who can do this bizarre

59:57

wild things and then turns out that

59:59

his then you've asking all these questions

1:00:01

is for game the bookings like just read

1:00:03

this book is written about me the

1:00:05

read about his friend and all this stuff

1:00:08

and when was interviewing him

1:00:11

he had a book and he's not thinking about

1:00:13

protecting book i wasn't thinking about protecting

1:00:15

book at the time what he shows

1:00:17

me the book physical book in his hand and

1:00:20

unlike the old because this

1:00:22

story was so crazy

1:00:24

i have pursue it if i can

1:00:27

as and i back up his claims

1:00:29

can i find

1:00:30

the author writes and so ask my psyche

1:00:32

semi the book and said yeah he did he sent

1:00:34

the book i had the book in my possession i i

1:00:36

found the author he said the author is ghost

1:00:38

online can't find or anywhere i

1:00:41

found are really quickly and turns out

1:00:43

she's a witch and she

1:00:45

was actually putting up spells of

1:00:47

protection to separate herself

1:00:49

from anybody that is connected to

1:00:51

that side of her life and

1:00:53

the

1:00:54

guy i target to actually was because he was friends

1:00:56

with the main character of the book

1:00:59

so contact the author

1:01:02

and i'm like listen i just interviewed this guy

1:01:04

he told me all these bizarre stories

1:01:06

of his friend who can physically

1:01:09

change his body grow and

1:01:11

shrink and he goes into these other worlds

1:01:13

and he has his whole life this other world

1:01:15

and physically comes back to this world

1:01:17

and all this stuff i was like he

1:01:19

told me that was based off the the book there

1:01:22

she said that who she wrote off this guy

1:01:24

spread this gives frantic he's

1:01:26

crazy it's not true i'm like

1:01:28

ah ok all

1:01:30

right i make sense l canceling almost

1:01:32

first second my high was blown from this amazing

1:01:34

story then the connected

1:01:37

is only way as i can remember guy

1:01:40

on talking to said he saw his

1:01:43

friend do these bizarre

1:01:45

things like physically change and he saw

1:01:47

his friends basically grow

1:01:50

right in front him how

1:01:52

do you explain that just said or though

1:01:54

is he lying me to or what

1:01:57

and at this point have no world is anybody

1:01:59

i just want know what truth as good as it is really

1:02:01

true like want to dive into this when

1:02:04

i told her that was expecting her to say

1:02:06

i don't know what that guys talk about

1:02:08

he's crazy to right okay so schizophrenia

1:02:11

cries because friend a cool but what she

1:02:13

came back with was the exact opposite

1:02:15

it was like by me saying that to her

1:02:18

pursuing her about it is like opened

1:02:20

her up she's like okay i'm going until

1:02:22

this guy then she told me she's like listen

1:02:24

to stuff that i saw in this world

1:02:27

and she specifically said this world or this

1:02:29

realm i can explain

1:02:32

it led to the idea that there

1:02:34

are other worlds as well but

1:02:36

what she saw here she can't

1:02:38

even explain then she going into

1:02:40

some details and i said or i'm like listen would

1:02:43

you be willing to talk me told

1:02:46

i said i imagine you're not

1:02:48

going to talk to make us she seemed like very standoffish

1:02:51

and she said actually yeah i've

1:02:53

tried going to counseling i can't

1:02:55

talk to a counselor about this stuff because

1:02:57

it's to off the wall they're not going believe me be nice

1:02:59

talk to me that's not gonna think i'm crazy so

1:03:01

literally like two days later i'm on a

1:03:03

zoom call with her for two and a half hours

1:03:06

and she's telling me all this stuff

1:03:08

that she experienced with him it

1:03:10

turns out she was closer have friend to

1:03:12

him than my original guest and

1:03:15

she was directly involved in this

1:03:17

stuff she was closing portals

1:03:20

and she tells me her

1:03:22

experiences and it was not good experience

1:03:24

there is lot of details and in her experience

1:03:26

as she told me i can relate to public would violate

1:03:29

the trustee put been me well

1:03:31

listen a lot of good stuff that are going to share right

1:03:34

by like there's some personal things personal things

1:03:36

it's one thing she said to me was

1:03:39

the heard his book

1:03:41

our the first book heroes you still college

1:03:43

it was poorly written book he

1:03:46

actually took it off the market because death

1:03:48

threats people were trying to kill her so

1:03:50

she took off the market and so when i told

1:03:52

her that i had copy of it

1:03:54

she was kind of freaking out of of issues like had

1:03:56

you get in some i told her and she's

1:03:58

like listen i'll do if you can

1:04:01

just give me that book because i don't want it out there and

1:04:03

she thinks that there's about fifteen bucks still in

1:04:05

circulation somewhere that still out

1:04:07

there now recently

1:04:09

since i was on sam show the

1:04:12

talking with her it turns

1:04:14

out she's

1:04:17

getting scared away she is

1:04:20

pushing away from me she says she's willing

1:04:22

to answer certain questions by the

1:04:24

idea of appearing on

1:04:27

my news show even if i gave

1:04:29

her a different name if it's on video blurred

1:04:31

out on saying she's not interested she said i'm

1:04:33

scared i'm not doing it and

1:04:36

she really got pushed away so

1:04:38

because of that so and i don't hold

1:04:40

a loyalties to her outside of just trying

1:04:42

to be a good human being maybe

1:04:45

in the future i do talk about this book

1:04:47

more detail as far as what it's called

1:04:49

it the

1:04:51

right now the brain trust which is

1:04:53

just my wife and seized y bounce

1:04:56

things off of my wife thinks that right

1:04:58

now it's not an ethical thing do and

1:05:00

i wanna be that guy

1:05:01

we're

1:05:04

working on developing this whole

1:05:06

new show so it's

1:05:08

hard to describe the people

1:05:11

absolute amazing job for this without going through

1:05:13

the whole store like i did on sam show right

1:05:17

we're developing this brand new podcast

1:05:19

the first season be very focused on

1:05:22

this story like how did i come contact

1:05:24

with his who am i talking i'm actually gonna bring my

1:05:26

original guests in studio with me here

1:05:28

tennessee would as he might be part of the holes

1:05:31

first season then we're going to

1:05:33

leave the first season most likely at

1:05:35

okay this is as far as we've gotten in

1:05:37

our understanding of this now we need the

1:05:39

audience how need you to

1:05:41

come forward you have similar experiences

1:05:43

this at any other because it's very

1:05:46

deep what you mentioned earlier

1:05:48

about the guy in the whole case thing so this

1:05:51

character there's walking

1:05:53

through cave system and you're going to recognize this

1:05:55

from earlier in your for your recording with me he'd

1:05:58

walk into a cave system and it

1:06:00

opens up into this big room

1:06:03

and there's a man inside that room

1:06:05

recruiting him to work for him and

1:06:09

he actually except for like my previous

1:06:11

cast and that's

1:06:13

where the roller coaster starts the interesting

1:06:16

thing is there's things that i have been able to verify

1:06:18

so i found this guy's instagram account and

1:06:22

on his instagram he has

1:06:24

things pictures in

1:06:26

his home if

1:06:28

you're just passing by you don't know anything you're

1:06:30

just the odds are right now

1:06:34

can see the direct correlation

1:06:36

to something that was reading the book now i didn't

1:06:38

read book my wife reddick as she reads fascinate me better

1:06:40

the me she's my readers by

1:06:44

the was like oh crap very

1:06:47

much involved in still even

1:06:49

though he said he's walking away from it it

1:06:52

by reach out him which i think

1:06:54

i'm going to at some point i think will introduce

1:06:56

myself i'm like listen man her

1:06:59

we need to talk it's

1:07:02

interesting because got two different perspective

1:07:04

here my regional guess he told me that he thinks

1:07:06

that if reach out can scare him away because he

1:07:08

just had he starting a family

1:07:10

you know just had kid stuff and

1:07:13

he thinks that he just want thing do with it because thats what tony

1:07:15

him hes dont want thing do with it merkel that thing

1:07:18

then i talk the author

1:07:20

she said he so egotistical if i

1:07:23

approach him about it if he did step

1:07:25

away from it he is going

1:07:27

be encouraged to jump back into

1:07:29

it

1:07:30

no no by if is it it turns

1:07:33

out that this guy he

1:07:35

has the ability to through the dream

1:07:37

state but also in the alert physical

1:07:39

state leave

1:07:41

here and go to another round

1:07:43

another world so if doesn't do to do dream

1:07:45

state his buys physically here but

1:07:48

he's somewhere else which we talked about that for

1:07:50

my showing people are unfamiliar

1:07:52

with idea of astral projection things

1:07:54

like that but this little bit more because actually

1:07:56

going to another world in

1:07:59

they are in that world that are familiar with him

1:08:01

and they pick up where he left off

1:08:03

in there's neville i'm this

1:08:05

world and is very the

1:08:09

but then with a physical side you

1:08:12

literally now

1:08:15

they get a moment's notice leave

1:08:18

this world and go somewhere else but in

1:08:21

exchange that happens and there's being

1:08:23

in the other world that has to come here

1:08:25

and replace him when that happens

1:08:27

his physical body changes here into

1:08:30

did being places

1:08:32

him a kind of looks like him but he

1:08:34

wanted getting taller i think his

1:08:36

features change little bit but the character

1:08:39

is what changes that most like he's inches

1:08:41

taller but his characters completely

1:08:44

different when did happen so

1:08:47

there's one you that will hear that and that newbie

1:08:50

come from more of a demonic prices

1:08:52

and go he getting possess he's physically

1:08:54

changing from demon baby

1:08:57

or maybe he's actually accessing other worlds emily's

1:09:00

actually doing what say he's doing because

1:09:02

the guess that i had brought on originally saw

1:09:05

me this isn't just as friend at this is happening

1:09:07

to having his girlfriend

1:09:09

where she was approached by an entity it

1:09:11

also

1:09:12

his brother so my guess

1:09:14

brother was approached by nancy

1:09:17

it also accepted and

1:09:19

his brother thought that this was just a bizarre

1:09:21

dream into his brother tells

1:09:24

him this stuff and his brother has no idea

1:09:26

who the friend is so

1:09:28

it's like this whole intertwine of people and

1:09:30

i have on my show couple

1:09:33

guess who have said these exact

1:09:35

things before even knew the story have

1:09:38

had guess who said were walking through cases

1:09:40

i'm in opens up into a room and there's

1:09:42

person recruiting than the work for them like

1:09:44

this is something that has happened my show before i came

1:09:46

across the story and some kind of just

1:09:48

wrap everything up real quick here the

1:09:51

by use like will and these people heard your

1:09:53

show create a story to pull your

1:09:55

leg or decreed as masterful story

1:09:57

for your showed again the tension something

1:09:59

that part the

1:10:02

go have the book the

1:10:04

copyright date on book is well

1:10:08

though my shirt and come into existence to

1:10:10

little twenty seventeen

1:10:12

so this story existed before

1:10:14

my show exist though

1:10:17

isn't i i wish i could

1:10:19

then to our town from front to back

1:10:21

the whole story just

1:10:23

listen anybody who's interesting the story that

1:10:25

wants to know more stay

1:10:27

tuned in

1:10:29

the confessional podcast and he subscribes

1:10:31

by side ago when i do come out this new podcast

1:10:33

you know about it by subscribing because

1:10:35

i'll be announcing hey i'm driving a new park as you

1:10:37

don't want miss it and i'll i'll try make my

1:10:39

rounds and talk about him a couple shows and stuff but

1:10:41

this is going to be a podcast

1:10:44

that could possibly turn new dot users

1:10:46

with documentaries that we're doing by

1:10:48

i believe it is going to be groundbreaking

1:10:52

it

1:10:52

going to really change way

1:10:54

people view the world around them

1:10:56

on all face all perspectives

1:10:58

of how you think everything worse i think it's going to

1:11:00

be that groundbreaking and i think

1:11:02

it's going to be

1:11:04

and times bigger than the confessionals

1:11:06

ever could possibly be as far as

1:11:08

attention goes think this is dan be something that

1:11:10

is just absolutely huge so

1:11:13

we'll see her for maybe as me dot nobody

1:11:15

cares you know the

1:11:17

hell of pitch i like him i'm

1:11:19

psyched about now let me

1:11:21

ask this is the the woman

1:11:23

who wrote the book is her first

1:11:25

initial by chance okay

1:11:28

no okay okay

1:11:31

the time long time ago

1:11:33

maybe ten years this point the

1:11:36

i inquire a woman actually

1:11:38

was like hey you like inner earth stories

1:11:41

where i wrote book and it contains

1:11:43

a lot of stuff there's never been talked about anywhere

1:11:46

and it is all true and she

1:11:48

sent me the book and it was not

1:11:50

even a real published copy was more like

1:11:52

a manuscripts but it was well

1:11:54

put together and highly readable and

1:11:57

then the day before

1:11:59

interview here's why i don't know how

1:12:02

someone knows i was gonna do an interview but

1:12:04

i have been warned to back

1:12:06

off and my family's too important to me

1:12:08

and i am not going talk about book

1:12:11

when i heard you talk about this

1:12:14

on tinfoil hat was like maybe

1:12:17

i could be the same person when

1:12:19

you said it was female author of is like now

1:12:22

i'm really kind of interested and now i'm

1:12:24

so i went back in my email and email

1:12:26

was like trying to read fresh my

1:12:28

memory on this and this

1:12:31

still have the email the email her name

1:12:33

i still have the book and i

1:12:36

click the link to her website in her signature

1:12:39

and our web sites gone now so

1:12:41

i don't know what happened maybe she should talk to me about

1:12:44

that but there's safety

1:12:46

in

1:12:48

out there so they say yes

1:12:50

i agree tell you what man with

1:12:53

that i don't think

1:12:55

mentioned this on on they

1:12:57

show though

1:12:59

i'm and cause extreme case of my original guess

1:13:01

and the and i are talking

1:13:03

and he tom in a you pry heard of this

1:13:06

i only know to pronounce it i had to educate

1:13:08

myself imperialist really popular i just

1:13:10

wasn't stupid

1:13:12

the voyage manuscript or yeah are from

1:13:14

the people say vanik but yeah absolutely

1:13:17

okay

1:13:18

got it he added i do not oppressed so

1:13:20

the vanik manuscript

1:13:22

he said

1:13:23

his friend told him actually came from

1:13:25

this world that his friend goes to enshrine

1:13:28

interesting

1:13:30

yes that is a great famous

1:13:32

mystery it is a parchment

1:13:35

that has mean or writing

1:13:37

on writing and it isn't this strange language

1:13:39

no one recognizes and some analysts

1:13:42

the tried to decode it think that

1:13:44

it is a kind of in or biology

1:13:46

book some kind of like library

1:13:49

or encyclopedia of certain herbs

1:13:52

and stuff but a lot of it isn't recognized

1:13:54

and last time that was brought up on

1:13:56

this show was when dr

1:13:58

stephen skinner who is they really

1:14:01

academic guy who translates

1:14:04

rem wars an ancient magical

1:14:06

tax he was taking stab

1:14:08

at it and i think that they've released

1:14:11

their

1:14:12

analysis i haven't read it i just

1:14:14

know that it's out there

1:14:16

he's guy basically told me all

1:14:18

dinner was just those cliff notes right there

1:14:20

but to think that it could be a book

1:14:22

about herbs from another world

1:14:25

i'm interested

1:14:26

yeah i'm i'm ensure that all this

1:14:28

stuff man late when

1:14:31

you operate your life or the

1:14:33

basis of i believe the world

1:14:35

very strange and i'm never going understand

1:14:37

it but i guess it does

1:14:39

that operation they and is like do this

1:14:41

is pursue it and see what happens

1:14:43

and and man i just have so

1:14:45

much for doing this stuff i i i apologize

1:14:48

the audience who maybe it is tired of your my raspy

1:14:50

voice of in i'm in east tennessee know still trying

1:14:52

to get use the allergies around here is hop out

1:14:55

on losing my voice bus yeah that's another

1:14:57

reason i could never go there allergies

1:14:59

they say the same thing about the

1:15:01

whole country and near austin texas

1:15:03

they called cedar fever has ever special

1:15:05

tree their that produces so much pollen

1:15:08

really fox people up even people who never had

1:15:10

allergies before so i can't invest

1:15:12

in of five acre homestead and then never

1:15:14

be able breathe right again these

1:15:17

the problem that idea

1:15:19

they say that the local honey solved the

1:15:21

whole issue and so next year

1:15:23

i plan on maker sry the local

1:15:25

honey and they said honey

1:15:28

just a will help urology so myself

1:15:31

i made a mistake i have over an

1:15:33

acre and the

1:15:35

was very rocky and so i wasn't sure

1:15:37

where the rocks were and i had three

1:15:39

weeks i've got about three feet high things growth

1:15:41

crazier so

1:15:44

instead of knowing over a destroy my lower

1:15:46

i we'd whacked whole thing

1:15:48

in i disturbed all that

1:15:50

paul in ours is breathing it in a just

1:15:52

jack me up for a few weeks

1:15:55

our grandfathers would

1:15:58

just wow

1:16:00

and market are silly

1:16:02

weakness but it is the reality

1:16:05

of man this man this a lotta fun

1:16:07

real pleasure to talk to you i'm glad we could

1:16:09

connect before i cut you loose tell the people

1:16:11

but the other stuff he got out there extra

1:16:13

projects they should know about you know the deal

1:16:16

yeah so let's vessels park as

1:16:18

is main gate for me where i

1:16:20

interviewed people on their paranormal weird

1:16:22

bizarre experiences military

1:16:24

that have bizarre experience is all that stuff and

1:16:27

and outside that outside had started merkel

1:16:29

media regionally was just supposed to

1:16:31

be a company where i it's

1:16:33

like an like an l that i was producing other people's

1:16:35

podcast like i know you're familiar with charlie

1:16:38

robinson mack regressions i produce a podcast

1:16:40

and

1:16:42

it turned into hey what else can

1:16:44

we do and so now i'm doing

1:16:46

documentaries and a very high

1:16:48

level way but

1:16:50

i'm also looking to pursue the

1:16:53

cartoons comic books a

1:16:56

big fan of tempore

1:16:58

and he talks a lot about trying

1:17:00

to develop culture

1:17:02

and i'm just thinking you know what listen i'm in

1:17:04

very unique position that most people aren't in where

1:17:06

i'm a full time podcast i create content

1:17:09

let me see if i can help create culture as well

1:17:11

and so i got four

1:17:13

year old afford half year old in one and half year

1:17:15

old and i want to create things

1:17:17

that that i feel as a parent i

1:17:19

could put for my kids and they could

1:17:21

consume enjoy so i really want

1:17:23

start kids cartoon but don't really have

1:17:25

the resources yeah like especially i've

1:17:27

access aplenty parties by women

1:17:29

comes to somebody who knows to animate that

1:17:32

that's the difficulty by we're

1:17:34

probably going to working on doing some comic

1:17:36

books based of episodes like kyle's

1:17:38

episodes free thirty five diverse a dog

1:17:40

man motor working on

1:17:42

turning certain episodes in

1:17:45

two books

1:17:46

oh yeah merkel media is up and coming

1:17:48

would be doing lot of everything's right now really

1:17:50

focus on documentaries by looking for

1:17:53

were can be doing trying to do lot of even

1:17:55

even music like we're going to be trying to put awesome music

1:17:57

destructive damn wow

1:17:59

you make me

1:18:00

like i should be doing way more but

1:18:04

i appreciate your work ethic is ethic don't

1:18:06

expect everything to hit to hit expect to be successful

1:18:08

or thing i just don't like laying down

1:18:10

thinking i'm not trying my hardest you know some

1:18:12

just as gotta go

1:18:14

that have these dreams these passions desires

1:18:16

and i just act on because

1:18:18

literally feel guilty if i don't like i feel i'm not

1:18:20

trying my hardest life so like

1:18:22

my wife he's tommy where how much you can put on your plate

1:18:24

and like i don't really viewed that way i just view it as

1:18:27

pursuing fun things and as long as

1:18:29

i'm having fun it's not really work so it

1:18:31

is where it is there

1:18:33

are gonna adopt that attitude bit more but

1:18:36

you've got great show man it was also

1:18:38

fun talking shop with you before we started

1:18:40

recording i got to drink and little drank

1:18:42

smoked well smoke and probably why got so

1:18:45

chatty in this one for better or worse

1:18:47

but i'm glad we could go over

1:18:49

some of these stories that we talked about

1:18:51

we barely scratched the surface because

1:18:53

you have over four hundred episodes

1:18:55

speaking of that work ethic but keep

1:18:58

up the great work man and maybe i

1:19:00

could to join in the field some time

1:19:02

you're more than welcome my friend and what

1:19:04

have you come on my shoulders talk about some

1:19:06

stood experiences you've had there's

1:19:08

a like it have ago man right

1:19:14

man has yes the

1:19:17

times tony and i definitely

1:19:19

got to talking shop for a

1:19:21

long time before we got started and

1:19:23

gave me plenty of time to indulge

1:19:26

in my intelligences

1:19:28

they

1:19:28

get quite a bit more chatty and casual

1:19:31

than usual so clearly i had good

1:19:33

time hope he did too

1:19:35

my guess aren't podcast years

1:19:37

or even peers so

1:19:40

when happens it is fun to pregame

1:19:43

and compared know about

1:19:45

how they're doing things and what systems they

1:19:47

use because i really work in isolation

1:19:49

here content

1:19:51

wise i was dogs as dot from doctor

1:19:53

greg little and couldn't help but injects

1:19:56

all of that into this one too these

1:19:59

are fun story the to talk about

1:20:01

and tony show is built around

1:20:03

great promise getting these personal

1:20:05

stories from experiences first

1:20:07

hand don't really have anywhere else to tell

1:20:09

their stories

1:20:10

as opposed to researchers

1:20:12

making their rounds on bunch of different

1:20:14

shows so you are bound to hear stuff

1:20:17

you probably haven't heard

1:20:19

i tried pull out a lot the stories that defy

1:20:22

categorization that's not a ghost stories

1:20:24

not a big foot and counter these are weird

1:20:26

things happening sometimes it involves

1:20:28

corporation sometimes

1:20:31

it involves secret government

1:20:33

missions to recover and now key uncovered

1:20:35

crafts and then a time what's happened

1:20:39

read as really great job security

1:20:41

in the stories they stay weird

1:20:43

an interesting what we talked about today

1:20:45

is really just a sampling but we did

1:20:47

fit in quite bit when

1:20:49

try to get at what's going on it's

1:20:52

like are encrypted all these paranormal

1:20:54

encounters just aspects of a single

1:20:56

type of thing pardon me

1:20:58

think so these occurrences are rare

1:21:01

enough that the more you try to conclude

1:21:03

that it's bunch of different separate sources

1:21:06

the clunky or model you end up with that

1:21:09

plasma facilitated multi dimensional

1:21:11

bleed over aspects of the

1:21:13

spiritual flash imagine or

1:21:15

realm crossing over in most cases

1:21:18

sounds right to me

1:21:20

i'm reminded of the demonic reality

1:21:22

work of patrick harper and

1:21:24

find his work blended with doctor

1:21:26

greg little the rather

1:21:28

best model that found so far

1:21:31

source of you have stories of your own reach out

1:21:33

to tony or leave me a message on the

1:21:35

thc voice mail and i'll included

1:21:37

in the next joint session the more stories

1:21:40

we can share the closer we can get to understanding

1:21:43

will say though when

1:21:45

you hear the matter of fact way that indigenous

1:21:47

people talk about paranormal experiences

1:21:50

it's easy to feel like our own natural

1:21:53

state and natural environment have

1:21:55

become so foreign to us city folks

1:21:58

that's partly why we have such hard time

1:22:00

dealing with the extremes of natural

1:22:02

experience we have

1:22:05

tuned in to a largely artificial

1:22:07

frequency of morning commute

1:22:09

eight hours of whatever drive

1:22:11

home veggies rinse repeat when

1:22:14

we the last time your bare feet even

1:22:16

touched dirt or you ate something

1:22:18

they didn't have rapper or barcode

1:22:20

on it are you spend a night outside

1:22:23

without some audio visual distraction

1:22:26

in some cases it's gotta be years

1:22:29

so how are we even gonna start to wrap our

1:22:31

heads around the mysteries of the deep woods

1:22:33

when we don't even engage thou

1:22:36

now the tonys

1:22:38

dog man documentary is definitely

1:22:40

well produced it's certainly shows

1:22:43

just how much land is really out there as

1:22:45

i mentioned doing these features

1:22:48

is a road i'd started to go down in

1:22:50

the early days and quickly realize that

1:22:52

the chances that i'm gonna blow the lid

1:22:54

off something or catch that thing

1:22:56

that's the smoking gun footage a

1:22:59

pretty well the hours

1:23:01

you have to invest just try

1:23:03

felt a bit too costly to

1:23:05

me also you guys

1:23:07

know me i pretty much stick to my line

1:23:10

why counties energy though he's clearly

1:23:12

very motivated to try all sorts of

1:23:14

things and that's inspiring for me

1:23:17

to see and makes me wanna find

1:23:19

way to branch out more as well this

1:23:21

because i've put myself in a position

1:23:24

to be able to so i should have more

1:23:26

fun with it that is why

1:23:28

i'm just a few days from driving out

1:23:30

to austin for a joint meet up with gordon

1:23:32

and the rune soup crew and

1:23:34

then who knows what's now as

1:23:37

always as fun as the first hour

1:23:39

was we added a lot of other stories

1:23:41

in the second sign up the higher side chats

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dot com cash card crypto

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iraq the streams will come true and this

1:23:51

show we talked about kentucky weirdness

1:23:53

the meat shower incident and occult

1:23:55

activity live

1:23:57

modern day giant encounters and tony's

1:23:59

interviews exploring and article

1:24:02

oh nice pitch for me to move to

1:24:04

tennessee in our

1:24:06

growing food forests that's amazing

1:24:10

i am always looking at properties

1:24:12

and land in couple of different areas

1:24:15

that me my wife would wanna live

1:24:17

and so often

1:24:19

i see a house on five

1:24:22

flat dead acres of dirt

1:24:25

mainly in colorado where i'm seen this boggles

1:24:28

my mind that these previous owners

1:24:31

don't have like thirty fruit trees

1:24:33

distant back corner somewhere like

1:24:35

what you doing why did you want this land

1:24:37

just a be separate from everybody don't

1:24:39

you want it to cultivate some kind of abundance

1:24:42

for yourself but whatever

1:24:45

we also talked about ritual magic

1:24:47

spirits the paranormal the mysterious

1:24:50

eagerness industries that

1:24:52

was a wild story indeed

1:24:55

twenty and back program good

1:24:57

stuff there are a few

1:24:59

odd stories around the twenty and back program

1:25:02

but because of david wilcock and corey

1:25:04

goode in their behavior does made me doubt

1:25:06

the whole angle of them lost

1:25:09

my mind always go see why not just

1:25:11

killed the slave labor that you pluck

1:25:13

out of their beds in middle of the nine than use

1:25:15

for twenty years what is

1:25:17

have been about putting them back where they were

1:25:19

and letting them live full life with all

1:25:21

these memories of two decades and service

1:25:23

on mars anyway

1:25:26

as for other meat ups besides

1:25:28

the austin one lets see what got on calendar

1:25:30

at higher side meat ups dot com june

1:25:33

twenty second just couple days

1:25:35

we got the milwaukee metaphysical

1:25:38

society meet up at the beer store

1:25:40

in milwaukee oregon there's

1:25:43

like good time and then two days later june

1:25:45

twenty fourth we got the nashville

1:25:47

higher cider happy hour it looks

1:25:49

like that's regular event going

1:25:51

down at tailgate brewery in nashville

1:25:53

tennessee how appropriate

1:25:55

for this episode the

1:25:57

next when i see is july six

1:26:00

the seattle thc inquisition

1:26:02

another recurring event at the central

1:26:04

cafe and seattle washington so

1:26:06

check those out those are the next three

1:26:09

i see

1:26:10

if you want to have meetup in your area

1:26:12

if you're feeling a little lonely if you're just

1:26:14

feel like you're the black sheep of your social

1:26:16

circle will meet the other black sea

1:26:19

totally free and fun as a great way

1:26:21

to expand your network and meet like

1:26:23

minded people oh boy

1:26:25

i see some view and austin this

1:26:27

upcoming weekend that's

1:26:30

the show tony is a fun guy glad

1:26:32

we got to know each other lot

1:26:34

people have told me that for the past

1:26:36

maybe two years the paranormal

1:26:38

side of thc has been lacking

1:26:41

in the conspiracy side has been quite

1:26:43

dominant what do you want

1:26:45

me to do and pretty much every conspiratorial

1:26:47

theme we've talked about for decade

1:26:50

has all come true and just a few

1:26:52

short years the

1:26:55

same time know it's good to take a

1:26:57

breather and get back to some good old

1:27:00

unexplainable mystery yeah

1:27:02

big thanks to tony maybe i'll get out in

1:27:04

field them some time but until then

1:27:07

i'm not here i've done my

1:27:09

part your move mysterious monsters

1:27:11

underground reptilians and paranormal

1:27:14

plasma beans your lock

1:27:16

in move he

1:27:19

weird my

1:27:24

he he he he

1:29:00

he didn't know him in the hands of my

1:29:02

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1:29:21

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