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missed last week, I wasn't here. It's great

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to be back at my desk. I really

1:05

missed having the opportunity to rant

1:08

last week. So you may get a whole earful

1:11

this week, but I want to give a shout out to Jim

1:13

Meehan for stepping up, taking

1:15

over here and doing such a beautiful job guiding

1:18

this ship, this show last week. Amazing

1:22

job. If you missed it, his interview with

1:24

Kevin McKiernan was absolutely riveting.

1:26

We were sitting in the middle of our camping

1:28

trip, listening to it ourselves. I

1:31

was a little bit jealous. What an amazing interview.

1:33

So go back and check that out if you haven't had

1:35

the opportunity. We have a really

1:38

spectacular show today. In fact, it's almost

1:40

hard to breathe in here. There are so many

1:42

IQ points floating around in

1:45

the building right now. Usually the

1:47

space is just consumed by our Catherine Layton,

1:50

who I think is the smartest person on the team when it comes

1:52

to science. But we've got in studio today,

1:55

Dr. Peter McCullough and

1:57

Dr. Geert van den Bosch.

2:01

We're going to talk to them both

2:03

about the different things that they're focused on right now

2:05

with the COVID, the vaccine, is it going

2:07

away, what's happening with

2:10

the rise in all-cause mortality,

2:12

both those minds together in one place. It should

2:14

be really amazing. But

2:17

first, the tragedy that I

2:19

think has got us all just

2:21

riveted to our televisions, praying,

2:25

trying to give our heartfelt

2:27

thoughts to those victims

2:29

in the Maui fires. This

2:32

is what this has looked like in our news. Maui

2:35

is on fire. Evacuations are underway.

2:38

Tens of thousands of people are without power. And

2:40

there is already extensive property damage,

2:42

including in the popular tourist town of Lahaina.

2:44

Some taking shelter behind the seawall,

2:47

others jumping into the ocean to escape the flames.

2:50

Both sides to the left and the right

2:52

are on fire. 19-year-old Noah Tompkinson

2:54

wading in the water with his mother and younger

2:56

brother for five hours. This is the

2:59

overhead view of the sweeping devastation

3:01

in Lahaina. 80 percent

3:03

of Maui's historic town in ruins.

3:06

This gridlock of charred cars details

3:09

the desperation, as many attempted

3:11

to escape a wall of racing flames.

3:14

This

3:17

is now the deadliest wildfire in modern

3:19

U.S. history. Everything

3:22

in Lahaina has been decimated, including our house. Everything's

3:25

gone. All the memories, all

3:28

the places that we feel beautiful memories

3:30

together, it's gone. And so I'm

3:33

just grateful that they made it out okay and

3:35

just praying for the best outcome for the rest of my family.

3:37

The winds were howling overnight,

3:40

and I even checked at about four in the morning

3:42

because I was surprised that I had

3:44

missed a weather advisory.

3:47

And there was still no advisory.

3:49

People were not informed

3:53

except for five minutes before they

3:55

had to evacuate. And this was via

3:57

a cell phone message, an emergency

3:59

alert.

3:59

We have a tsunami warning system

4:02

on this island. They did not activate

4:05

it. Did you hear any alarms? Did you get any

4:07

kind of warning? No alarms, no warning.

4:10

Nothing. No sign, nothing. Where

4:12

were you guys to? To try and get

4:14

us out, evacuate us. No?

4:17

We're mad. We're mad.

4:19

You know, we didn't just lose our homes. We

4:21

lost our town. We lost history, you

4:23

know? Our kids are traumatized.

4:26

You guys messed up real

4:28

bad.

4:29

We're still looking for friends

4:32

and close family. Wow. I

4:34

just want to let

4:35

the world know it's

4:38

worse than they think. While

4:41

Lahaina sat in ruins, no

4:43

assistance came for more than two

4:45

days. Water, propane tanks,

4:48

fuel, baby supplies and clothing.

4:51

People in this community are doing everything they

4:53

can for their neighbors. They say this

4:55

is way more than what the local and federal

4:57

government is doing for people in Lahaina.

5:00

Government officials are trying to shut down

5:03

local assistance. It seems like they only

5:05

want FEMA and they only want Red

5:07

Cross. They are sending donations

5:10

back.

5:10

If it's not donated directly

5:12

to FEMA or Red

5:15

Cross, then they're not going to let it in. None

5:18

of this is eligible for giving out. Tell

5:21

me why. I have

5:23

no freaking clue. They're all

5:25

fearful that they're going to lose their property

5:28

along with their home and their investment. So

5:31

that's... And you can hear it in the governor's

5:33

voice or his languaging when he talks

5:35

about rebuilding Lahaina.

5:37

I'm already thinking about ways for the

5:39

state to acquire that land so that we

5:41

can put it into workforce housing, to put it back

5:43

into families, or to make it open spaces

5:45

in perpetuity as a memorial to

5:48

people who were lost. I am

5:50

so frustrated

5:54

with investors

5:56

and realtors calling

5:58

the families who lost their home. offering

6:01

to buy their land. How

6:04

dare you do that to our

6:06

community right now? Shame on

6:08

you. Shame on you. The

6:10

world needs to see what's happening here and the

6:13

truth is not being shown.

6:18

Just horrible images and

6:21

you know I have to say in some ways

6:23

it's triggering a little bit of PTSD and

6:25

me as many of you have been watching

6:27

this show for years now back in 2018. I lost my family Lee and

6:33

I and our kids lost that was our home in the

6:35

Maui the Woolsey fires that swept down through

6:37

Maui I mean Malibu

6:40

sorry Malibu where we were living

6:42

and so

6:44

and and similarly not a lot

6:46

of answers to why there was no fire department

6:49

or help in that situation so my

6:52

heart really is connected with those in

6:55

Maui that have gone through this and you

6:57

really can't get a perspective and news

6:59

cameras aren't allowed in so we worked

7:01

hard to try and find somebody that was that

7:03

had been in there that could give us some sense of what was

7:05

really going on and it's my honor

7:07

and pleasure to be joined right now by Mike Chikino

7:11

who is a

7:13

resident was right in the middle of it. Mike

7:15

thank you for joining me.

7:18

Of course.

7:21

I know there's really no words that

7:23

that can be said at this time when you've lost

7:25

just about everything you own and watch the devastation

7:28

around you we have an image that you

7:30

had as the fires were burning your wife and

7:32

I you know I think in some ways wondering

7:34

if you were going to survive it this is just

7:36

sort of that moment that you captured on your own phone.

7:43

Coast Guard Coast Guard. If

7:47

anybody else finds us. It's

7:54

pretty scary though we're going to be okay.

7:57

You know that moment so you'd made your way down

7:59

to

7:59

the water it appears as those that

8:02

survived, you had to get down out of the hills

8:04

out away from the fire and down the

8:06

water reports of people hiding literally

8:09

in the water. Tell

8:11

me just how this what was your

8:14

experience? We're hearing there was no warning.

8:16

Was that true for you? How

8:19

does this start in in your life? What

8:22

is the moment you realize there's a fire

8:24

and there's danger?

8:26

I just happen to

8:28

leave the house just to see if I can

8:30

make it to the other side of the island to grab a generator

8:34

and within 10 to 15 seconds of leaving

8:36

my home, my whole neighborhood was

8:39

engulfed in flames. But like

8:41

you said, absolutely no

8:43

warning,

8:44

no siren. We

8:45

do have an alert system where it alerts

8:48

us by text. I've had a little

8:50

bit of a signal. I've never received any text.

8:53

In that point when we did hop in the car 15

8:56

minutes later, that's when they made the

8:58

announcement over the, probably over 15 minutes

9:01

later, that's when they made the announcement over the radio

9:04

to evacuate. But by that

9:06

point it was too late.

9:08

Now you, you know, I know that when

9:11

I was going through this situation and when

9:14

it happened to me in

9:16

Malibu, I saw the fire again just

9:18

too. I really didn't get warning in time but

9:21

there's mostly because I didn't have a television on. There's

9:23

no sirens but it was just coming down

9:25

the hill again for us. The wind was blowing

9:27

so hard and I just really

9:30

grabbed my son who was with me. Luckily,

9:32

my wife was out of town and just had just grabbed

9:34

a few clothes. We lost everything

9:37

too. In that moment, I just you don't know where the fire

9:39

is. You don't know if it's wrapped around. You know if you're going to get down to

9:41

the road. What was it like there

9:44

for you? Could you tell where the fire was or just

9:46

feel like it was everywhere?

9:48

Well, first I want to say I'm so sorry for your loss

9:51

and I'm happy that you and your family, you

9:53

know, made it out alive. I think that situation

9:55

is absolutely

9:56

terrifying. I know that you guys are probably still

9:58

dealing with it. You

10:02

know, basically when we

10:04

started to leave the House, which

10:08

if you watch our live

10:10

announcements by our government that they do, our

10:12

governor and mayor, they

10:15

are flat out lying to us on

10:18

there, as far as they're telling us

10:20

and telling the world that they didn't have

10:22

any roadblocks. There

10:25

were definitely a thousand percent roadblocks

10:27

that we could not get through. And if

10:29

they would have let us through and let some

10:31

of those other people through, a lot

10:33

more lives would have been saved.

10:38

A lot of us are in shock about

10:41

how much our government is literally

10:43

lying to our face. And I was there and

10:48

they were lying to everybody. They're

10:50

just trying to downsize this. And

10:53

I think they're afraid of a lot of locals who are going to freak

10:55

out. They're afraid of lawsuits. But

11:00

they basically, because of

11:02

that, forced us into a

11:05

pigeonhole, into a death trap. A

11:07

lot of people died because of what

11:09

they did.

11:10

Not only the warnings, but blocking us in

11:13

from every road. Everything

11:16

went wrong that day. They really did fail us.

11:19

You know, just from an outsider,

11:21

because on this

11:24

show we've learned to really not trust government

11:26

a whole lot. And it's really failed us

11:28

so many times. But one of the things

11:31

that gives me the sense for being lied to

11:33

is when I see the images that

11:36

we're seeing come out of there, some of these photos in some

11:38

of the video that you've provided us, when

11:41

I only see a death toll going from 80 to

11:43

like 100, I think, in six, I heard

11:46

this morning over three days, that seems impossible

11:48

to me. It seems to me there must be a cover-up

11:51

on the amount of bodies

11:53

that are there. They're obviously trying to

11:55

slow roll the devastation, figure

11:58

out how they're going to explain it. their own

12:00

tracks and you know so

12:03

much when you watch so much effort going

12:06

into trying to protect their own butts in the government

12:09

and we're hearing so little effort

12:11

it seems getting the supplies

12:13

getting people to their home you know helping

12:15

the people that are there what does that make you feel?

12:19

Anger. I

12:23

can't even describe the amount of anger

12:25

I have towards our government. Before

12:28

I be honest I had more trust in our government.

12:30

I grew up you know that

12:34

they're there to take care of us especially in

12:36

need they're gonna safeguard

12:38

us from things like this and warn us but

12:41

but none of that happened and

12:43

as of right now the

12:46

FEMA is trying to take

12:49

over but they're not assisting at

12:51

us at all.

12:52

I've had absolutely zero assistance

12:56

from FEMA.

12:57

They're saying they're giving out $700

13:00

of chucks to people. I've

13:03

never received one and they're not gonna

13:05

give me one because I happen to run a business

13:07

out of my home

13:09

and I also had a little bit of insurance

13:12

but that insurance they said they can only put

13:14

me up in a hotel room for seven days

13:17

then where am I gonna be after that?

13:19

FEMA since I went to

13:21

business is basically said we'll give you

13:24

a small business loan. I

13:26

just want a place to live.

13:28

I don't I can't I

13:30

want to start my business back up but how am

13:32

I possibly gonna do that when I don't even

13:34

have a place to rest my head at night? I'm

13:37

jumping from that's my house that you're seeing

13:39

right now. Wow. It's completely that

13:41

was my business that was my whole life. I've

13:43

lived there for 16 years and

13:47

even if I did receive that $700 living here

13:50

in Maui that's a night

13:52

at a hotel room. One night at a

13:54

hotel room for these people. Fortunately

13:57

I have family where we're jumping from house

13:59

to house.

13:59

But $700 is

14:02

insulting for those people that are getting

14:04

that. I'm glad they're getting at least $700. But

14:08

you have to imagine even our McDonald's

14:10

is inflated here. If you go to McDonald's

14:12

for two people, you're spending $50. Most of

14:14

those people have already gone through that

14:17

money, you know. And a lot of locals

14:19

are using that money to help locals.

14:23

And the only help that we've received

14:25

the whole time from this whole situation

14:27

is from the churches. From

14:30

the Calvary Church over

14:32

here. The Catholic Church

14:34

isn't even going to try to help out with housing.

14:36

But the government hasn't helped me

14:39

at all, my family at all. Similarly,

14:41

while the fires are going on and there's very

14:43

little help around, you are one of those types

14:46

of individuals that charge back in

14:48

there to try and get some help looking for

14:50

animals and people. This is just one

14:52

of the videos you were shooting while you were going through that

14:54

experience.

14:59

The Catholic Church is a very important place to be.

15:02

Asher! Hey

15:10

buddy, you okay? Shit. Asher!

15:25

Asher! Hey,

15:29

where are you? Here! Are

15:32

you okay? Yeah! Okay,

15:34

get, you gotta get up! Alright!

15:39

Alright, people, man! Hey,

15:42

careful with it! Here,

15:44

here, come in here. Just head down that

15:47

way. Oh man! Are

15:49

you all burnt? I'm too burnt! Are

15:51

you burnt? No. Okay,

15:54

you gotta go down there, okay? How close? Right

15:57

here's bad. There's a lot of smoke. You gotta go.

15:59

Okay,

16:03

I'll be back. I'll

16:05

be back for you.

16:09

Astrid! Rina! Okay,

16:12

come on buddy. We gotta go. The

16:15

Coast Guard's coming in. Is this your... this is Rina, right? Okay,

16:17

oh, thank God.

16:21

As you sort of made your way through

16:23

the neighborhoods there, what was... how would

16:25

you describe that? And seeing...

16:28

most of us have never actually seen a body. I

16:30

mean, that was fairly graphic.

16:32

Hopefully those watching aren't too offended by

16:34

seeing that. But I think it's important

16:36

that we get a sense of what that experience

16:39

was like.

16:41

I mean, I've never

16:43

been to war. I've never been in any type

16:45

of disaster. But I would guess

16:48

that it was just like a war zone.

16:52

I mean, there's dead bodies, people screaming,

16:55

babies out there that I never saw again. A

16:58

lot of people were... you could just see

17:01

that the smoke was slowly

17:03

killing them.

17:04

And that's... you know, I

17:07

was trying to run and help as many people as I

17:09

can to get out of the area that they

17:11

were. Because if they stay there any longer,

17:14

they would have just, you know, went to sleep

17:16

and died. But

17:19

the best thing that I can describe is literally like

17:21

a nuclear bomb or atomic bomb went

17:23

off. But imagine

17:25

that bomb going off continuously

17:28

for eight hours. So when

17:30

we're ducking into the water... or

17:32

jumping in the water, ducking behind the wall,

17:35

the flames were going at 70 miles

17:37

per hour towards us.

17:41

It's one of the hardest to describe situations

17:44

and feelings.

17:49

It's hard to put

17:51

in words. It really is. Now

17:53

your wife was with you, obviously both.

17:55

Godwai, how is she doing?

17:57

I mean, we're going to be doing a

17:59

lot of work. through some mental issues right

18:01

now. I

18:04

wish I could say she was better.

18:06

We're hanging in there. We're one of the

18:08

lucky ones. We feel bad complaining

18:11

about our situation when there's people out there

18:13

that are way worse off than us and getting

18:15

no assistance. You

18:18

know, those people that have lost their house,

18:22

the family's dead. They don't have any

18:24

money. We are

18:26

at least alive and have each other, so we

18:28

feel very grateful. We

18:30

are starting to kind of go through a guilt part

18:33

of the grieving. Why did we make

18:36

it out alive? Why did we make it out with our

18:38

lives and with each other? And all

18:40

these people are out there that

18:43

didn't.

18:44

And then we also,

18:46

there's people out there that were helping during the

18:48

fire, and a week later, they're still

18:50

out there helping and having them left Lahaina.

18:53

And the local

18:55

government's not letting us locals in there

18:58

to help at all. They want to make sure that they're

19:00

controlling everything. So people are

19:02

getting stopped even if they're trying

19:05

to bring in donations. So like

19:07

I was kind of mentioning before, all those donations

19:09

that the locals are trying to help with are being

19:11

brought to churches, and that's how I've been

19:13

getting my help,

19:14

not from FEMA.

19:17

Wow. What are the next steps right now

19:20

as you look? I realize it's hard to

19:22

have any sort of bird's eye view in the

19:25

middle of the tragedy there. So

19:27

as you sit in the middle of it, what

19:30

are your thoughts right now? What is it next steps

19:32

for you?

19:34

We felt like we just got out of

19:37

a fire that was about to take our lives.

19:40

Now we feel like we're back into another

19:42

fire

19:44

with the US government, basically.

19:46

So we feel like we just went through all this.

19:49

Now the government's putting us through more. And

19:52

just watching our then flat

19:54

out lie to our faces and me not

19:57

known for a fact that they're lying to our faces

19:59

because I was. was there. And what they're saying

20:01

is 100% untrue. There's way

20:04

more bodies out there than

20:06

what they're saying. There's a lot

20:09

more. And I

20:11

can't give like sources or anything, but

20:14

they're anticipating over 500, but less

20:16

than 1000. Most of those are going

20:19

to be children are actually not most, but a lot

20:21

are going to be children. I have a lot

20:24

of friends finding children out there.

20:26

The schools were off that day,

20:29

because of the electric, so

20:31

that parents still went to work, but

20:33

the children were stuck at home. So they're,

20:36

you know, you can imagine being 10 years

20:39

old taking care of your your your siblings

20:41

and having a giant fire. What are they? They

20:44

don't know what to do. But they're not

20:46

announcing stuff on the news. This

20:48

is probably you know, I'm mentioning it to you now, but

20:50

they're they're, they're hiding a lot

20:53

of stuff from the outside

20:55

world. And it's up. It's pretty upsetting. Right

20:59

now, we just want to hear that, you

21:01

know, a sorry, we there's

21:03

things that went wrong. We're trying to do what we

21:05

can. But they're just so defensive.

21:08

They just I think they're just trying to cover

21:10

their butt right now and not get sued is

21:12

what it's coming down to, which is just making

21:15

it worse for us.

21:17

You have a GoFundMe to

21:19

sort of

21:21

get through this. So let's just

21:23

give people if you want to help out here, that

21:26

GoFundMe.com that's that Maui

21:28

fire Mike and Andreza

21:31

Chikino.

21:34

So if you want to help out, that's

21:37

how we do it. And I'm sure there's many, many

21:39

GoFundMes out there right now trying to

21:42

figure out a way through all of this.

21:44

What will you do with those funds?

21:47

What's the plan?

21:49

We can't even find housing right now.

21:51

We're jumping from house

21:53

to house. So I

21:55

mean, we would like to do it so we can use

21:57

it for

21:58

rent, food,

21:59

right now because the food we're getting, we're

22:02

so appreciative of the churches giving

22:04

us food, but we need more

22:06

vegetables. We need real food

22:08

that we can eat, not just canned food. Sometimes

22:11

we can get some fruit, which is awesome, but

22:14

we need to start to get our lives

22:17

a little bit back to normal.

22:18

We would also like to start our business again because

22:21

there's a lot of jobs here are gone. So

22:25

our concern now is all the money, we're

22:28

just trying to get as much as we can

22:30

right now because we don't know the

22:32

future. We don't know how we're gonna start our business

22:34

again. There's a housing

22:36

crisis out here already. Where

22:38

if you wanted to buy a medium

22:41

income house, it's gonna be a million

22:43

dollars here in Maui. So you can

22:45

imagine with all those housing gone,

22:48

thousands of people displaced, it's

22:51

only gonna go up.

22:53

And it's really unfortunate.

22:56

There's people that are leaving Maui that have been here almost

22:59

my whole life, but I can't

23:01

leave Maui. My whole family's here, my daughter's

23:04

here. It's not a choice

23:06

for us. We're

23:09

gonna stay and push through it, but we don't know where

23:11

we're gonna live. We have no permanent

23:13

place to live.

23:15

Well, Mike, first of all, I wanna thank you for

23:18

joining us and sharing with

23:20

us your thoughts in this very difficult

23:23

time. Our prayers are with you. I wanna thank you

23:25

for your heroism running in there, trying

23:27

to help when others aren't,

23:30

others that were paid and funded to

23:32

be there for exactly those moments. Stay

23:35

in touch with us. We wanna sort of hear

23:37

how this all works out and maybe we can bring

23:39

you back on and check in with you a little bit further down

23:41

the road. Of course,

23:43

there's so much going on here. There's

23:46

probably gonna be updates almost every day. So

23:49

please keep in touch. More than happy to answer any

23:52

questions you have. I also wanna say

23:54

just because I have been through it, it is

23:57

really hard in the middle of those situations.

23:59

But there is hope. I just

24:02

share with your wife that we

24:04

get through these things. What doesn't take

24:06

away is our love. Doesn't take away our relationships.

24:09

And what you'll end up having

24:11

to stay focused on is just that you're

24:13

alive, you have your life, and

24:17

now we have to do something with it.

24:19

So we'll keep you in our prayers.

24:23

We appreciate that. And if I may just

24:25

mention, there are a lot of people who need

24:27

help. I always appreciate the help that

24:29

anybody can give us. My four-year-old lost everything

24:31

too. But please

24:34

don't actually donate to Red Cross or FEMA

24:36

for people that are out there. They're not helping

24:38

us. Try to find local families

24:41

that you can help. And then there's also a

24:43

local organization called

24:45

Maui Strong. And they've been helping

24:47

out a lot more than the government

24:49

right now. So I just wanted to throw that out there.

24:52

All right. I appreciate that. Thank you very much.

24:54

And take care. We'll stay in touch.

24:56

We wanted to also get

24:58

a sense from people that are

25:00

in the middle of disasters all the time. We

25:04

reached out to a good friend of ours, Steve

25:06

Slepsevik, who is a disaster specialist.

25:09

And he's joining me now with Sam Eaton.

25:13

Steve, you see

25:15

a lot. I mean, you've been at Katrina. You've

25:17

been in the middle of events

25:20

like this. How does this compare to

25:22

all of the disasters that

25:25

you have been in the middle of trying to help

25:27

people through those situations, their homes, their

25:29

lives? How bad is this? Is

25:31

it as bad as it appears in the news?

25:34

Worse? Well,

25:37

what I can tell you is that for me

25:40

in doing this since Hurricane Andrew,

25:42

since 89, that I got in this business

25:45

responding to both national and international

25:47

disasters, this was one of the

25:49

worst responses on the

25:51

government side I've ever seen. So

25:53

when you see the police department blocking

25:55

a down line, but they're blocking an

25:58

area where he's parked in the area where Carter is.

25:59

cars can get by and cars are back there for an hour

26:02

and a half. Mike is correct that

26:04

the response was horrific when

26:07

you, when you, when we show up at the EOC

26:09

and they have generators stacked there

26:11

and we're like, hey, we can bring you power. We can bring

26:13

you

26:14

the entire thing to set it up. And they're like, no, no, we're good.

26:17

I'm like, well, based on results, you're not good. You

26:20

have generators here, but you have no electricians,

26:22

no cables. You don't have this whole

26:24

thing set up properly. And how is it that

26:26

a friend of ours can actually drive into town

26:29

the next day, unabated, no security

26:32

perimeter, drive by vehicle with

26:34

burnt bodies in it

26:36

as he's driving his motorcycle in it? You

26:39

know, how can one of our friends then deal

26:41

with these type of these images

26:43

and the PTSD that's coming from it? So

26:46

everything that Mike said is absolutely accurate.

26:50

And then this is several days. So

26:53

to me, accountability, right? These

26:55

people have to be clear, concise. You

26:57

cannot make mistakes. And if you look

26:59

at, they were the last EOC to open

27:01

up. So they weren't properly staffed, staged.

27:05

They didn't set sense, put the alarms out of the

27:07

sirens and their excuse of like, well, we don't want

27:09

people to run up to the hills.

27:11

What are you talking about? People are conscious. They

27:13

don't, hey, there's a fire up there. Yeah. How

27:16

about I hear an alarm. If I step outside of my house,

27:18

I will see what's going on and figure it out from

27:21

there. I mean, like it was Mike

27:23

saying is he doesn't leave his house for his generator

27:25

at that moment. He doesn't see what's

27:27

going on. And I'll be honest when it happened to us,

27:30

I was lucky that I had a friend text me

27:32

and said, I heard there's

27:35

a fire in Malibu. Do you need

27:37

any help? I was like, fire. So we

27:39

didn't really have an alarm either. And I suppose

27:41

it was being, I didn't have my TV on. I just had

27:44

no nothing on inside my house.

27:46

Luckily, my friend texts me

27:48

otherwise. And I walked out of my house and that's

27:50

when I realized the side of the mountain

27:53

basically I live on was nothing but

27:55

flames rushing towards me. So

27:58

all you need is to be told, get out of here.

27:59

your house and you can figure out there. They didn't even do

28:02

that. I mean, and just

28:04

be clear, you're a private company. You

28:06

don't work for the government.

28:09

You go in many

28:11

times, I guess. Do you tend to work for

28:14

insurance companies or who sends you

28:16

in? How do you get there?

28:18

No, we work for private individuals. So typically

28:21

hospitals, ports, airports, private asset

28:23

owners, commercial real estate owners, they

28:25

know not to trust the government. So they call us in

28:27

ahead of time if it's a hurricane, many

28:29

times three, four days before to shore up their assets,

28:32

to minimize the risk, to put the comms

28:34

in place, bring in additional paramedics, bring in the

28:36

security detail, bring in the fuel power,

28:38

everything else to keep that facility operational.

28:41

They know FEMA is not going to be there. They don't count

28:43

on the public utilities or the public officials

28:46

to do anything for them. They know they have to stand it

28:48

alone. But like you shared

28:51

on the Woolsey fire, if you remember,

28:53

the fire departments were all pushed up to Pepperdine

28:56

and you couldn't find fire trucks down in the lower

28:58

area where people's homes were burning.

29:00

So similar to this, they had pushed the firefighters

29:03

up into the mountains in this one region to fight

29:05

another fire. What a fire wasn't completely

29:07

contained.

29:09

There wasn't any fire trucks down on Front Street. And

29:11

then they had a problem with the water pressure. So

29:13

when they hooked up to the fire hydrants, they

29:15

couldn't push water out.

29:17

You know, Sam, we had, I mean, it was,

29:20

it's very similar. Many of the same stories

29:23

that I experienced, we had, we

29:25

paid, I think, you know, in Malibu,

29:27

hundreds of dollars a month extra

29:30

for a fire line they call

29:32

a water line. You're paying just

29:35

to be ready. And then there was no water in it when

29:37

we needed it. When you hear

29:39

things like, you know, well, the electrical

29:41

line came down, that took away some of our abilities

29:43

to do things. And then you ask, I mean, any

29:46

intelligent person says,

29:47

fires bring down power

29:50

lines. You weren't prepared for that. You don't have alarm

29:52

systems that work in that. And we start thinking

29:55

with all the millions and billions

29:57

of dollars in taxpayer money that goes

29:59

to

29:59

to special places like this that

30:02

know there's potentials for hurricanes

30:04

and things like that, how can they be

30:06

this unprepared?

30:10

Very tough. Background, 30

30:12

years in the fire service, been

30:15

to quite a number of disasters myself.

30:17

Also with the company, we responded

30:19

to some major incidents. You

30:22

know, when I look at, when I see what happened, you know,

30:24

arriving here, it

30:26

didn't have the feel of the disaster.

30:29

If you looked at the infrastructure that should

30:31

be there in place, the stuff that FEMA would

30:33

normally bring in, the things that you would normally

30:35

see, you didn't see those things. And I

30:38

think it was most exhibited in the faces

30:40

of the locals here. You know, when

30:42

you're talking to somebody that's basically been working

30:44

the last week, previously for

30:47

this guy, we spoke to an individual that had

30:49

been trapped every day, getting up to

30:51

bring food and supplies himself

30:53

as a private citizen into to find

30:55

a way to help those that were actually in

30:58

the area, to watch

31:00

him break down in tears saying, where's

31:03

the help? Why are we having to do this? Why

31:06

is Maui having to help Maui? Where's the outside

31:09

help? And then you put

31:11

it in contrast to what's happening at the

31:13

border of our country, what's happening

31:15

in Ukraine. You look at the money that's flowing

31:17

in different directions, but this was not, it

31:19

just did not feel like they had

31:21

a handle on a lot of things. It's

31:24

easy to point at, please

31:27

don't look at the frontline workers or the firefighters,

31:30

because they're being driven by their own policies

31:32

and procedures, but also they have a desire

31:35

to be

31:35

a part of that response. Leadership

31:39

from above, I think is where the mistakes

31:41

were made

31:42

and certainly, hopefully, there'll be some

31:44

after action where they'll look into the

31:47

details of that.

31:49

I

31:51

would say at this point that wherever

31:53

you live, every different

31:56

region has some ability to

31:58

be...

31:59

pressed into a dangerous situation

32:02

like this. I've obviously been through my

32:04

own experience and there's things that we

32:06

just weren't prepared for. We hadn't really

32:09

itemized all the things that we own that I now

32:11

do when I go into my house. We sort of stay

32:13

on top of what is actually in our house, in

32:15

our dwellings. But Steve, do you have some

32:18

recommendations of things for people

32:21

to prepare or should a disaster happen?

32:23

What's the best way to handle it?

32:26

You know, for me, I always say have a disaster plan,

32:28

more of an all scenarios based disaster plan for

32:30

your family, right? Because this stuff is happening

32:33

constantly, right? So you everything from, you

32:35

know, having your satellite phone, a meeting

32:37

place, doing the quarterly drill,

32:40

right? The next thing is obviously documenting

32:42

everything. Reviewing the policy,

32:45

making sure that, you know, when it comes to removing the policy,

32:47

it's not just a matter of calling your agent, but

32:49

I always say, you know, get a third party opinion

32:52

from a private insurance adjuster, you

32:55

know, in that capacity. You

32:57

know, before you enter, another

32:59

thing that's really important is that when people are approaching these properties,

33:02

you have to know what the hazards are, right? It's

33:04

structural, environmental, mechanical.

33:07

You can't start sifting through the property and then

33:09

there's, you know, without proper PPEs. So

33:12

hire a third party environmental consultant in

33:14

these things that are totally burned. And the ones that aren't

33:17

totally burned before you enter it, there's

33:19

highly toxic. These cars burn, electronics,

33:22

there's asbestos lead. There's

33:25

all types of chemicals that were burned

33:27

and now are blown into people's homes in the surrounding

33:29

area. So those areas have to be properly

33:32

remediated.

33:33

Then a third party consultant, environmental consultant

33:35

come in there and provide a clearance testing

33:37

that it's safe to reoccupy. Because

33:39

I'm not gonna compare it to 9-11,

33:42

but you know how they had multiple, what

33:45

was the number for the firefighters that got

33:47

cancer from that? Frontline workers close to 15,000 have

33:49

gotten cancer since

33:53

the actual event itself. Right.

33:56

More people

33:58

are infected in a health situation. from

34:00

9-11 than wherever initially.

34:03

Right. So

34:05

it's gonna be a toxic mess for a while. The trucks,

34:07

the debris moving through those areas, you know. But

34:11

with this, you know, for us

34:13

as first responders, I mean, the satellite

34:16

phone store has always been really big for us on

34:18

getting stuff for us when we need it. They're

34:20

also there for the community. So a lot of times they'll

34:22

donate the phones,

34:24

you know, especially in those areas. But don't be that person.

34:27

Get it ahead of time, you know. Be prepared

34:30

because these things are happening more and more,

34:32

not just the wildfires and the hurricanes. But

34:34

as you know, Hawaii still, we're

34:37

going into the peak of hurricane season.

34:39

There's another one that's just passing just

34:41

below us right now. And those

34:43

high pressure systems create

34:45

what they call the Chinook winds and it comes off those

34:47

mountains and any spark will

34:49

just light up other neighborhoods.

34:52

You know? It's very difficult for people to hear,

34:54

right? For sure. Yeah. Something

34:57

like, you know, the wind driven fire, this was a fire

34:59

that was driven by the wind. Obviously bad per-pore

35:02

conditions part of that, drought-like conditions. And

35:04

clearly when you have something like that,

35:07

you know, early warning is

35:09

very important, but there's little time to actually

35:11

react. And

35:14

you experienced it without yourself. The

35:16

same kind of thing. It is horrific what

35:18

they went through and the people that survived, what

35:21

they saw, what they're exposed to, even

35:23

just the visuals, but of course the

35:25

health side of this. Those that were sitting in

35:28

the water, affected by this with the

35:30

embers coming down,

35:31

that very toxic, heavily

35:34

laden chemical smoke that was on them.

35:36

Many of them probably

35:38

perished from, you know, basically

35:41

smoke inhalation. Even though they weren't

35:43

burned,

35:44

they couldn't breathe. You know, there's just no, there's no

35:46

space there.

35:47

The real tragedy here to me is

35:50

what's the response afterwards. And

35:52

that's where it really starts to look

35:54

very, very, there's a

35:56

lot of lessons learned here. A lot of things

35:58

that,

35:59

now officials need to take a look

36:02

at that. I mean, I feel like we, I sit here and think,

36:04

we're the United States of America, we're

36:06

the richest country in the world, we

36:08

have the biggest military in

36:10

the world, we can go and fight wars that

36:12

nobody even knows why we're there. In

36:15

a moment like this, in the movies, the

36:17

National Guard is flying in, you got

36:19

FEMA, everybody's setting up tents and

36:21

camps and removing people through because we're a

36:23

first world nation. What is

36:26

going on? Why are we so

36:28

incapable of

36:29

having a response? Why, I mean, and

36:32

it's every time, it felt like the same thing with Katrina,

36:34

every time, it's as though we have no idea.

36:37

In the, since the dawn of man, we've never

36:39

figured out how to handle a disaster. I

36:42

mean, I know you are giving, you guys like you, Steve,

36:44

and you give classes, you're there

36:46

to teach government, you're there to help, you've

36:48

been trying to get this, why are we

36:50

so incapable? What, is it just bureaucracy

36:53

is useless and there's no

36:55

way to ever get these people to do it right? I

36:57

mean, it's so frustrating to watch

36:59

over and over again, this level

37:02

of failure and have to accept

37:04

it, to have to accept that our

37:06

government is this incapable of handling

37:09

a dramatic situation. And God

37:11

forbid we ever actually have a war or

37:14

something come at us, you know, on

37:16

our homeland. I can't imagine, we can't

37:18

handle a fire or a hurricane. What do we

37:20

do if we're ever under attack?

37:23

Yeah, I think the American people are starting to notice

37:25

the emperor has no clothes, right? Yeah.

37:29

It's an absolute, you don't have

37:31

to, you just look at how it's, there are incompetent

37:33

people running it from the top down.

37:36

If you have poor leadership, if I ran my

37:38

business like this, I'd be out of business. Yeah.

37:40

Right? That's it. And

37:43

there's gonna be a price to pay,

37:46

the people in Hawaii are not ones to lay down

37:48

and just take, you know, take it. They're

37:50

gonna stand up, they're gonna rise up and they're gonna

37:52

hold these people accountable.

37:54

And Sam

37:56

was right, some of the people that we've talked to are

37:59

it's the Hawaiian people. helping the Hawaiian people.

38:02

And they were, they got to see firsthand

38:04

the people that they vote for every time

38:07

when they come out, hey, vote for us, vote for us. They

38:09

started to realize now, it's a huge awakening.

38:12

Sad that it would come to this, but they're

38:15

starting to realize really who

38:16

the government is and how incompetent

38:19

they really are.

38:20

I'm just, I mean, I'm getting to the point now

38:22

and you know, I've said this before, I grew up a progressive

38:25

liberal, but I want my tax money back. If

38:27

this is the wild west, I'm going to be left on my own

38:29

every time there's a catastrophe.

38:31

Then give me my money back and let me start developing

38:34

ways to protect myself because handing

38:36

it to you is not working. I think

38:39

so many people in America are experiencing that.

38:41

Steve, Sam, I want to thank you for taking the time. I don't

38:43

want to keep you away from the important

38:46

work that you're doing there since someone's doing it. Sam,

38:48

you have another thought.

38:50

Just to say this, there are some great

38:52

people that are working in these

38:55

FEMA camps. We have close colleagues and

38:57

friends that are in there.

38:59

There's

39:00

great first responders, the firefighters,

39:02

the law enforcement. They are the people of Maui.

39:04

They're the people of Lahaina. They

39:06

had families there as well. I just want

39:09

to say that from our perspective. It

39:11

is not against those workers. I worked 30 years

39:13

in the fire service locking arms with law enforcement

39:16

as well. You know that they're going through a tough

39:18

time themselves. We

39:20

pray for them. We pray for the people of Maui, for

39:22

the people of Lahaina, for this

39:25

community and certainly those frontline workers

39:27

that are dealing with the tragedy up front

39:29

every day right now

39:30

walking through the streets of Lahaina

39:32

trying to differentiate between what

39:35

might be a body and what might not be. You'll

39:37

never forget those kind of things. Our

39:39

hearts definitely go out there. I just want to throw

39:41

that in there at the end here. I appreciate

39:44

that. Sam, it's a good point. I don't mean to disparage

39:46

anyone that's out there that is on the frontline

39:49

and our best and brightest

39:51

and bravest do charge in those situations.

39:53

Those that do that work should be commended.

39:56

We asked you guys to put together a list since

39:58

a lot of people are saying the money from

39:59

Red Cross isn't really getting there and things like

40:02

that. You put together a list of places

40:04

that you are seeing getting the funding and

40:06

are helping the people. So this is that

40:08

list for those of you that want to reach out

40:11

and try and do something. This

40:13

of course will also be, if

40:16

you signed up to our mailing list, all

40:18

of this will be in your hands immediately. I'm

40:21

sure we're going to tag it in the comments right now. But

40:23

these are groups that are actually really are delivering

40:26

for the people and I think it's important that we support

40:30

them. Steve, Sam, thank

40:32

you very much for taking the time and

40:34

our prayers are with you and your work.

40:37

Thanks, Tom. Thanks for getting the message out there. You

40:39

bet. Take care.

40:41

All right. Well, you know, it's

40:43

sort of everywhere we look right

40:45

now, we are in crisis. I mean,

40:48

I look at this nation, look at America,

40:50

I look at what the dream was, what I felt

40:52

like I was growing up in. And there's

40:54

days where I just feel like we should be flying

40:56

our flag upside down at half mast

41:00

distress signal. We are in trouble. We

41:02

are not, we are not, we're doing

41:05

something wrong and how we're choosing our leadership. And

41:07

I think we've got to really atone for that

41:09

ourselves. Like, who are we electing? Why

41:11

are we just continuing to elect the same people

41:14

over and over again? We complain about,

41:16

oh, we need to, you know, reduce the

41:18

amount of time politicians are in there. Well,

41:20

yeah, but why are you voting for? Why is it we just keep voting

41:23

for these people? Like fat cats

41:25

having no connection to the states

41:28

and the cities that they actually work in. I

41:30

just think there's a lot to assess in these moments when

41:34

we look at it. And I also want to say it's

41:36

really disturbing when you, I think it was the governor

41:38

there or one of the guys saying, I'm already looking at turning

41:40

this into a park space and

41:43

open space and, you know, utilizing

41:45

people. Those are homes, those are people's lives. And

41:47

you're already deciding you're going to give that away

41:49

to what, a park or maybe a hotel

41:51

and real estate agents calling. And

41:54

we start we're starting to see BlackRock

41:56

buying up houses all over this country, outcompeting

41:59

us, making

41:59

cash offers so I guess that the

42:02

WAF can get to their goal of everyone's

42:04

going to be renting. That's what I'm afraid of when

42:06

I see this stuff. You have a sense that in Maui,

42:09

there'll be no one owning homes except the super

42:12

elite, super rich, everybody else

42:14

be renting from BlackRock or

42:16

any of those other

42:19

large giant conglomerates that are buying

42:21

up our lives. We've

42:23

got to do something about it. Anyway, it's

42:25

time for the Jackson Report.

42:36

All right, Jeffrey, really difficult

42:39

to just, it's so frustrating

42:41

at a deep, visceral level to have

42:43

to have that conversation. It

42:46

can be difficult transitioning from stories like

42:48

this. And I just want to echo what you were saying. If

42:50

people want to give money, get that money to people

42:52

known in the community. We saw through the responses like

42:55

East Palestine train derailment and Katrina,

42:57

like you said, these top down bureaucratic

42:59

responses in the immediate

43:03

time sometimes do more harm than good.

43:05

So get that money

43:06

directly to the families of the people doing the work

43:08

on the ground there in the communities that people know.

43:11

I think that's really going to be the best way. But

43:13

I want to take a minute here to celebrate

43:15

maybe a small moral victory coming from

43:17

that story for Americans and

43:20

really a positive step in something that

43:22

we have tried so hard to do,

43:24

which is get the government out of the doctor patient

43:27

relationship. I'm talking about ivermectin,

43:30

something we've covered here from the start of

43:32

the pandemic response. The

43:34

founders of this drug, Nobel Prize

43:36

winners for finding it, FDA approved

43:39

as an anti parasitic, been given

43:41

to billions of people around the world.

43:44

It's been called a wonder drug like penicillin and aspirin.

43:47

Only problem it's ever had was it

43:49

was found to have antiviral activity

43:52

at the time when the

43:53

world was experiencing one of the once

43:56

in a century virus. And when that

43:58

happened, this is how the media.

43:59

treated it. Remember? Words

44:02

of warning. Earlier this week, the Department

44:04

of Health reiterated its warning against

44:06

the use of a drug called ivermectin.

44:09

A new false cure for COVID

44:12

in high demand. ivermectin.

44:15

Be aware that ivermectin has not

44:17

been proven as a way to prevent or treat COVID-19.

44:20

Rumors circulating on social media about

44:22

its use specifically for COVID-19

44:24

in India, that is

44:27

not based in reality or fact.

44:29

SBA, the NIH, the World Health Organization,

44:32

academic institutions across the world,

44:35

just the U.S., are not recommending

44:37

ivermectin for COVID management. With

44:40

doctors unwilling to prescribe it for COVID,

44:42

people have rushed to farm supply stores,

44:45

buying and taking large doses meant

44:48

to deworm livestock. Subtractors

44:50

supply stores even posting these signs

44:52

are learning people that the ivermectin

44:54

dewormers and injectables they carry

44:56

for animals have not been approved

44:59

by the FDA for people and could

45:01

result in

45:01

injury or death. This

45:03

story blows my mind because you've

45:06

got some anti-vaxxers who are unwilling

45:08

to take an FDA-approved

45:11

vaccine that millions of people have taken

45:13

at this point, by the way. But at the same

45:15

time, they are willing to

45:17

put a horse deworming

45:20

medicine in their bodies.

45:21

What would you tell someone who

45:24

is considering taking that drug? There's

45:26

no clinical evidence that indicates

45:28

that this works.

45:29

There is no scientific basis for a potential

45:31

therapeutic effect against COVID-19. Doesn't

45:34

treat COVID, but could put you

45:36

in a coma.

45:40

It is literally painful for

45:42

me to have to watch that

45:44

level of incompetence. And I mean, in all

45:47

honesty, I suppose I have to have empathy

45:49

because it's just sheer stupidity

45:52

and lack of journalistic integrity

45:54

or certainly talent or investigative

45:57

ability. When I hear the one news

45:59

anchor. they're saying, you know, anti-vaxxers,

46:02

you know, won't take this FDA

46:04

approved product, but they'll go ahead

46:07

and use horse-paste. I mean, the opposite is true.

46:09

All you had to do was investigate for about three and

46:11

a half minutes to see that the vaccine

46:13

was being rushed with literally no safety

46:16

trials. And Ivermectin, a drug that's being used worldwide

46:19

constantly by men, women, children

46:22

of all races, all ethnicities, every

46:24

age known, every malady, having

46:27

no side effects for very little, one

46:29

of the safest drugs we know in the world. And you're

46:31

telling me, you know, you're calling it

46:34

horse-paste and I'm supposed to trust the FDA.

46:36

I mean, it's not their fault, right? They think the FDA tells the truth.

46:39

If you're watching the high wire, you know that that's as

46:41

big a sham as the fact that the government's

46:43

got your back in Maui right now. But I mean,

46:45

it's just, it's, we're going to play

46:48

that probably until the day I

46:50

die because remembering that,

46:53

remember those fools, and remember

46:55

that your cable bill still

46:58

funds every one of those idiots to

47:00

lie to the world on a constant basis. Remember

47:02

that when you're thinking whether or not you should fund us

47:04

at all, you are funding those morons

47:07

every day of your life.

47:08

There they are. That's who you fund.

47:10

Okay, so don't go back too much.

47:13

All right. Looking at the coordination

47:15

of it all, what we probably just lived through

47:18

was one of the largest smear campaigns in our lifetimes

47:20

against a single therapy. And

47:23

why are we saying that? Well, there's been

47:25

a rapid switch here.

47:27

FDA attorneys representing

47:29

the FDA in an appellate court

47:32

have just reversed what we

47:34

knew about this drug publicly when

47:37

it came to like that news reporting. Take

47:39

a listen to this. This is actual court tape.

47:41

Your Honor, FDA has multiple

47:44

overlapping sources of authority that I'm happy

47:46

to walk through that gives FDA

47:49

authority to convey information

47:51

to the public. But here FDA was not

47:53

regulating the off

47:56

label use of drugs. These

47:58

statements are not regulations. they

48:00

have no legal consequences. They

48:03

don't prohibit doctors from

48:05

prescribing ivermectin to treat

48:07

COVID or for any other purpose. Quite

48:10

to the contrary, there are three instances

48:12

I'd like to point the court to in the record that

48:16

show that FDA explicitly recognizes

48:18

that doctors do have the authority

48:22

to prescribe ivermectin to treat COVID.

48:26

It's literally like listening right now we didn't

48:28

block the roads in Maui.

48:31

It's the same thing, that's the government lying to you right

48:33

there, right? Saying, oh, we never, we never

48:35

like shut it down. We didn't stop it. In fact, the

48:38

FDA has multiple places where we say you

48:40

can prescribe ivermectin if you

48:42

feel it's appropriate.

48:44

Doctors always have the authority. I don't know

48:46

what you're talking about. And what that was from

48:48

was a Fifth Circuit Court in New Orleans,

48:50

and this is the revival of a lawsuit. So this

48:53

is the headline here, if anybody's tracking this, how the story's

48:55

going. Ivermectin proponents asked Fifth Circuit

48:57

to revive lawsuit against FDA. That

48:59

lawsuit was originally killed in

49:02

December, 2022 by Judge Jeffrey

49:04

Brown. And Jeffrey Brown, this

49:06

was the ivermectin lawsuit. He wrote

49:08

this in his decision as, this

49:11

was the final decision, as the complaint does not

49:13

allege facts that overcome the defendant's assertion

49:16

of sovereign immunity, the defendant's motion

49:18

to dismiss is granted. That's the FDA. FDA

49:20

has sovereign immunity. So basically they can

49:23

do what they want. Here you have this Department of

49:25

Justice attorney representing the FDA saying,

49:27

doctors always had this. But remember, two

49:30

of the people in this suit, two of the three doctors, one

49:32

of them is Paul Merrick, someone we've had on our show several

49:34

times. And if we go to the news page

49:36

at the High Wire, we just recently put this up,

49:39

American Board of Internal Medicine targets

49:41

doctors Merrick and Corey citing claim

49:43

of spreading misinformation. And they

49:46

were basically investigating them because

49:48

of the FLCCC protocol, which

49:50

involves ivermectin and other early

49:52

treatments for COVID. And

49:55

there's what they've

49:57

said about that publicly. So they're up.

49:59

under a microscope by their medical board. Pierre

50:02

Corey literally wrote the book on ivermectin

50:05

called War, The War on ivermectin. You can

50:07

get that at ikandecide.shop if

50:09

you want to look at this. Let's find out the shelves now.

50:12

By the way, here it is, folks. This

50:14

is an iCan printed book. This

50:17

is the moment to get this. This is a huge

50:19

story right now. If you don't already

50:21

own this book, it is time. Get it to all

50:23

of your friends, because everyone is now starting

50:26

to pay attention. They're still waking up. Believe

50:28

it or not, we have some waking up to do.

50:29

We've got a few people, stragglers out

50:32

there, that are starting to wake up to this concept.

50:34

Get that book, get it to them as a birthday

50:36

gift or just a friendly neighborhood

50:39

gift. Very important that people

50:41

understand this, because it's not just, the

50:43

thing about this book is it's not just about ivermectin,

50:45

though that's the title. It's about the

50:48

repurposed use of drugs. What

50:50

you don't understand is the drug companies are basically

50:53

getting rid of drugs. They just want to burn

50:55

the drug as soon as it's off patent, because they

50:57

can't make any money off of it anymore. They want their

50:59

new drug to be there. So now it's Pax Loved.

51:02

We got Pax Loved. Now, forget ivermectin. Throw it in the

51:04

garbage. Does it work? Not true. We may

51:06

be burning cancer cures. We

51:09

may be destroying our

51:11

future ability to handle some illness. And

51:14

all of that's because of the moneyed interest

51:16

in pharma. This is a very important book

51:18

that just uses ivermectin as a story

51:21

in how to get to this conversation

51:23

about, should we be destroying every drug as

51:25

soon as it's off patent? Because pharma doesn't

51:27

make any money from it, or should we be looking

51:29

into

51:29

what other things they may be able to cure

51:32

and help us with? So really important

51:34

story.

51:35

And that's the greater picture here as we're going through

51:37

this story. This story is a template that can be used

51:39

on anything, on vaccination, on anti-vaxxers,

51:42

this coordinated assault. Remember, the

51:44

FDA says that doctors always

51:46

could prescribe ivermectin. Well, apparently Dr. Mary

51:49

Bowden didn't get that memo, because

51:51

she, according to the headlines, was

51:54

up her medical board, investigated her Texas

51:56

medical board files complaint against Houston doctor

51:58

for prescribing ivermectin.

51:59

Ivermectin basically, she treated over 5,000 patients

52:03

with this early treatment without a single death. Ivermectin,

52:05

she was vitamin D, venous vitamin

52:08

C, zinc. Right. I just

52:10

wanted to take a moment to all those doctor friends

52:12

out there that I have that did have patients

52:14

die that don't think Ivermectin works.

52:17

5,000 patients, folks, zero deaths. Did you have that

52:19

record? Because if you did it, you have some

52:21

atonement. You have some time. You got to think

52:23

about it. Before you die, I don't want you to meet your maker

52:26

and not having addressed the fact that you

52:28

were fooled and you were

52:29

dangerous to humanity.

52:33

The medical board, what did they do? They came to

52:35

Dr. Bowden and they said, well, you have to pay a fine.

52:37

You have to go through reeducation classes. She

52:40

said, no.

52:40

This is what the headline looked like. Dr. Mary Bowden

52:42

rejects Texas Medical Board compromise,

52:45

requests public hearing over COVID

52:47

treatments. It sounds like a great idea because the

52:49

science is really there. Let's look at this

52:51

screenshot here. This is at FLCCC.

52:54

This is Ivermectin to date. This is the

52:56

most recent. 98 studies

52:59

from over 1,000 scientists, over 130,000 patients in 27 countries. 50 of

53:04

those studies shows a 50%

53:06

lower mortality for patients being

53:09

treated with Ivermectin. Remember, this

53:12

got so bad during the pandemic. Doctors

53:14

trying to get this drug to their patients

53:17

that states, over 12 of them, had

53:19

to start pushing legislation to

53:22

enshrine that in their bills

53:24

to protect these doctors from the state medical

53:26

boards coming down on them. Lawmakers pushed legislation

53:29

to protect doctors who prescribe Ivermectin

53:31

for COVID-19. Yeah, that really happened. It

53:33

really got bad around August 2021 when this study

53:35

came out. This

53:38

was a meta-analysis, a large systemic

53:40

review. These

53:43

researchers concluded there was moderate

53:45

certainty. Evidence finds that large reductions

53:48

of COVID-19 deaths are possible using

53:50

Ivermectin. They say using Ivermectin early

53:52

in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing

53:54

to severe disease. Remember that

53:56

severe disease where they said, we don't have anything

53:57

for you. Just wait around until you can't breathe.

53:59

to the hospital and probably get put on a ventilator. The

54:02

researchers said, the apparent safety and low cost suggests

54:04

that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact

54:07

on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

54:09

That sentence right there is scary. Significant

54:11

impact. You know, I want to use this moment again, because

54:13

folks, we all just want to put this in our viewer mirror. This

54:17

is dangerous for us. This is dangerous that

54:19

our government worked this way. And let's

54:21

go ahead and use the analogy looking

54:24

at the Maui fire right now. You

54:26

have the government saying, there's a down power

54:28

line here. We cannot let you down this road.

54:31

In this case, we have a drug that people are saying,

54:33

you know, could work, but we can't. There's

54:35

a slight danger. It might not work for you. So we are

54:38

not going to let you near it all.

54:39

Meanwhile, you're backed up a road. There is

54:41

fire burning all around you. You just,

54:43

I will take my risk with this stupid

54:45

power line. My house is burning. Our

54:47

cars are catching fire here. I'm sorry, because

54:50

we haven't done a proper study of this fire,

54:52

this wire that's burning right here.

54:54

We're going to get you all killed, which is exactly

54:57

what happened. And I want to say this,

54:59

you know, on the record, I've said it a million times.

55:02

I don't care about a study in the middle of this. When

55:04

we had this, we had a drug that was safe being

55:07

used by billions of people. The only

55:09

trial you should be doing is, is it going to

55:11

kill me? Does it somehow work with COVID and get

55:13

me killed? Or if it has any potential

55:15

of working, this was such an amazing

55:18

moment in medicine where they literally said, no, you

55:21

are not allowed to use anything, nothing

55:23

at all. Doesn't matter if your doctor thinks it works, we're going

55:25

to stop that. Hold on, you're not

55:28

allowed to use anything at all. For the first time

55:30

in medicine, the best way to deal with this

55:32

virus, which we're telling you is deadly, is to

55:34

do nothing at all. Don't use a product

55:36

that's been proven to be safe with billions of people

55:38

around the world.

55:39

God forbid it might actually work. And

55:41

where was the study that showed it was killing people?

55:44

That's the only study you should have used if you were

55:46

going to try and stop this. Is it killing people? Is

55:48

it suddenly killing people? This is totally a safe drug.

55:51

If not, shut up and get out of the way. Let

55:53

me drive past the power line. I got

55:55

people behind me that are burning on

55:57

fire right now. They're going to die.

56:00

And the doctors and pharmacists were literally turning

56:02

people away. And why was it so that

56:05

last sentence in that study that this could

56:07

have a significant impact on the pandemic

56:09

globally, that's a very scary statement

56:11

to people that are making a new vaccine

56:14

trying to push this vaccine therapy. And

56:16

so why because the EUA

56:18

the emergency use authorization specifically

56:21

states at the FDA is page

56:23

right here, that the FDA may authorize

56:25

unapproved medical products or unapproved

56:28

uses of approved medical products to

56:30

be used in emergency to diagnose, treat, prevent,

56:32

blah, blah, blah. You go all the way to the

56:35

bottom. It says when certain criteria

56:37

are met, including there are no adequate

56:39

approved and available alternatives.

56:42

If ivermectin was allowed to fly

56:44

to be used and it was found

56:46

to have a significant impact, those

56:49

vaccines never would have shipped out. Warp speed

56:51

never would have happened. This never would

56:53

have been a conversation. And this was

56:55

one of the studies out of Peru in 2020. They

56:58

looked at remember South America, India,

57:01

so many other countries already have these things on stockpile

57:03

because they're using them on a regular basis as an anti

57:06

parasitic. So they had these, they're ready

57:08

to go. And in Peru, that 25 states

57:11

they were using these, they just said, we have these,

57:13

they've been shown to work by some studies,

57:15

just given to people because we don't have anything else. And

57:17

what did the researchers find? This was a preprint

57:20

at the time. So all the people that were saying

57:22

like the Fauci's and the people in the media were saying,

57:24

well, there's really no good evidence, just preprints. They're

57:26

not peer reviewed. This one's peer reviewed

57:29

now at the time as a preprint. Now it has the gold

57:31

standard reductions in excess deaths over

57:33

a period of 30 days after peak deaths average 74%

57:37

in the 10 states with the most intensive ivermectin

57:39

use as determined across all 25 states.

57:42

These reductions in excess deaths correlated closely

57:45

with the extent of ivermectin use. You go to the chart

57:47

on this study and you look at the top left, maximal

57:50

ivermectin distributions through operation.

57:53

30 days at that column, the first highlighted

57:55

column, set negative 74.4% lower deaths.

57:59

45 days, 86.2% deaths. Then

58:03

you go to the next column, just the medium use. You're

58:05

looking at half, it cut the deaths in half, negative 52%

58:07

and so on. So you have a dose dependent

58:10

response from this iVamec. Which is literally like

58:12

the best evidence you can have that a product

58:14

is working. The less you give it, the less effective

58:17

it has. You give a little bit more, a little better effect,

58:19

even more, even better effect. This

58:21

is what Pierre Corey was saying. You

58:23

know, you have really the best evidence

58:26

without stopping down and waiting for five

58:28

years to do long-term trials.

58:29

And I wanna say, as people say, you're being

58:32

hypocritical on one hand, you want long-term trials

58:34

for vaccines, but why not for iVamectin? I

58:36

know some of you are writing this right now. Here's why.

58:39

iVamectin already has been proven to be

58:41

safe. It's being used by billions of people. It doesn't need

58:43

a safety test. And as far as efficacy,

58:45

if it's perfectly safe, then allow me to use it.

58:47

Let me take my risk with it because there's nothing else available.

58:50

On the other hand, you rushed a vaccine that

58:52

was killing animals in animal trials, was

58:54

a total disaster. We found out after the fact

58:56

that you were rushing so fast at the speed

58:58

of science that you never tested to see if the vaccine

59:00

could even stop transmission, which it can't,

59:02

didn't, and it will be a problem. We're gonna talk to

59:05

Gert, Van, and Bosch about in just a moment. So

59:07

that's the difference. I want long-term trials

59:09

for products that are brand new, that

59:12

are brand new doing something and gonna

59:14

be going to human bodies. For a drug that has been

59:16

out there forever and shows to

59:18

be safe, all then we have to say, is

59:20

it working? If you think it works, maybe the placebo

59:23

effect is all you need. What we know is it's not gonna kill

59:25

you, a pretty safe drug. That's where I'm at on that.

59:27

And these studies out of Peru, out of Brazil,

59:30

doctors had access to them. Pharmacists had access

59:32

to them. The FDA definitely had access to

59:34

them. In fact, Dr. John Farley

59:37

definitely had access to them when he did

59:39

an interview with American Medical Association

59:41

in August of 2021, right when that paper

59:43

came out saying that ivermectin would have a

59:46

significant impact globally, and he was asked

59:48

directly point blank, what do doctors say

59:50

if a patient comes in and has fervormectin? Listen

59:52

to this response.

59:53

There are many physicians out there who have

59:55

patients coming to them that are asking for the

59:58

drug. They've read it. about

1:00:00

it, they've heard about it, you know, what

1:00:02

is your advice about

1:00:04

how a physician

1:00:06

should respond to requests like that? Yeah,

1:00:09

so as I was thinking about this, I was

1:00:11

reading the paper this morning, and there was a

1:00:13

study just done in Maryland, interviewing

1:00:16

people who had not yet been vaccinated.

1:00:19

And in this group, the person they trusted

1:00:22

the most for information about COVID

1:00:24

was their primary care physician. So

1:00:27

know that if they're sitting in your

1:00:29

exam room, even if they're pushing back

1:00:32

and giving you a hard time, they trust

1:00:34

your recommendations. So I

1:00:36

would encourage them to get vaccinated for

1:00:39

prevention. If they're infected and

1:00:41

qualify for monoclonal antibody, they

1:00:43

should be treated. And if they're infected

1:00:45

and at low risk for disease progression,

1:00:48

insist on ivermectin. The

1:00:50

best way for them to help everyone know

1:00:52

if the drug helps at all is to join

1:00:54

a clinical trial and get treated with a safe

1:00:57

formulation of the drug.

1:00:58

That is so I mean, it's so underhanded.

1:01:01

Oh, yeah, if you're gonna get ivermectin, just get in a

1:01:03

trial that we aren't funding or doing and

1:01:05

you'll be impossible to find it anywhere.

1:01:08

And but it shows you he's couching,

1:01:10

you know, he's couching, he's hedging his bet there, right,

1:01:13

which is saying, this is probably going to prove to

1:01:15

work. It looks pretty good to me, but I work

1:01:17

for the FDA. So I'm going to tell you stick

1:01:19

to trials. Good luck with that.

1:01:21

Totally reckless in retrospect, looking at this

1:01:23

with with all the hype gone, saying

1:01:26

patients come in, they're obviously probably having problems

1:01:28

saying, Look, I think I have this I may have

1:01:30

problems breathing, can I get a ivermectin? No,

1:01:33

go ahead and take the vaccine and maybe go online and find

1:01:35

yourself clinical trials. So in a couple years, you'll know

1:01:37

if it actually works. So

1:01:39

the Department of Justice attorney says, we've

1:01:42

always allowed that we never told doctors they couldn't

1:01:44

they couldn't prescribe ivermectin really this is the this is

1:01:46

a Twitter account that went out to the world. The

1:01:49

FDA is Twitter account is what they wrote.

1:01:51

You're not a horse, you're not a cow seriously

1:01:53

y'all stop it and then you click on that link.

1:01:56

And it actually goes directly to a web page

1:01:58

from the FDA that's literally says why you

1:02:00

should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent

1:02:03

COVID-19. But let's

1:02:05

just put all that aside for a second because

1:02:07

that those type of communications

1:02:10

work their way down to the individual hospitals

1:02:13

and pharmacies and medical boards. So

1:02:15

it wasn't the FDA anymore. It was the

1:02:18

boss in the office next to you that

1:02:20

was keeping an eye out and individual doctors.

1:02:23

This is an internal email from one of our

1:02:25

previous guests from a hospital system

1:02:27

in New York. August 2021 when

1:02:29

it was all kicking off, this is what it says, in order to

1:02:31

provide optimal patient care, it is imperative

1:02:33

that treatment decisions are based on evidence-based

1:02:36

data, not anecdotal opinions.

1:02:38

With respect to the use of ivermectin, it has been

1:02:40

and will remain until further notice the policy

1:02:43

and practice of Rochester Regional Health and

1:02:45

its hospitals to not incorporated this

1:02:47

medication into the medical algorithm

1:02:50

for the treatment of COVID-19. So it's

1:02:52

not even an option. It's literally disappeared

1:02:54

in in the computer system. You can't even write

1:02:56

a prescription for it if you're a doctor. It goes on to

1:02:59

say if a family references ivermectin,

1:03:01

it is advised that all staff

1:03:03

provide consistent message that the medication

1:03:06

is not supported by evidence-based data

1:03:08

nor approved by the medical agencies that approve medications

1:03:11

and opine on the medications, safety and

1:03:13

effectiveness. So you're a patient

1:03:15

in that hospital. Your doctor won't

1:03:17

prescribe it. So you go to other doctors in that hospital, you go

1:03:19

to other nurses. Everyone is an automaton

1:03:21

saying the same thing. We have the same

1:03:23

message. We cannot prescribe this. So

1:03:26

you're done. And so you're a doctor. You want

1:03:28

to buck the system or you're a pharmacist. Unfortunately,

1:03:31

the FDA is sending out letters like this

1:03:33

to the state medical boards. This was to

1:03:36

the chief executive officer of the

1:03:38

Federation of State Medical Boards from the FDA.

1:03:40

It says the purpose of this letter is to bring to

1:03:42

the attention of the Federation of State Medical Boards

1:03:45

information related to drug products containing

1:03:47

ivermectin being offered for sale

1:03:48

with claims that such products treat

1:03:51

or prevent COVID-19. Recently, FDA has

1:03:53

received complaints about compounding pharmacies

1:03:55

selling drug products containing ivermectin, claiming

1:03:58

that they could treat or prevent COVID-19.

1:03:59

So

1:04:01

it goes on to say, although clinical trials assessing

1:04:03

ivermectin tablets for the prevention of treatment

1:04:05

or treatment of COVID-19 and people are ongoing,

1:04:07

current available data do not show that ivermectin

1:04:10

is safe or effective for the prevention or treatment

1:04:12

of COVID-19. That's not true. Current

1:04:14

available data did show it at the time. So

1:04:17

they're lying to the state medical boards. And

1:04:19

now if you're a pharmacist, you have that

1:04:21

hanging overhead because best believe if you're a pharmacist,

1:04:23

you received an email that communicated

1:04:25

that letter to you saying, we just got a

1:04:27

letter from the FDA. All compounding

1:04:30

pharmacies or doctors,

1:04:31

you don't touch these things. And that's where the medical

1:04:33

board starts getting it on the high horse

1:04:35

and saying, anybody prescribing this is going

1:04:37

to get their license looked at and reviewed and their

1:04:40

documents. So I think really to sum this up.

1:04:42

Now it makes me just think in this moment, for all of those that did

1:04:44

go to these compounding pharmacies that put it

1:04:47

all on the line to provide ivermectin and we

1:04:49

were getting for our families and others,

1:04:51

probably time to deliver some families to those groups

1:04:53

for standing and taking on that

1:04:56

risk under that heat and just say, thank you

1:04:58

for being a doctor. Thank you for

1:05:00

being an American.

1:05:01

Thank you for being open-minded

1:05:04

and being there for us. These are,

1:05:06

these were critical moments. And those

1:05:08

of us that survived, many of us, and especially

1:05:11

those that were failing in health

1:05:13

that really needed these things, lives were saved

1:05:15

by those compounding pharmacists

1:05:17

and those doctors that were brave enough

1:05:20

to be there for their patients.

1:05:22

And I want to show one image, just

1:05:24

put a cap on this segment here. This was shared

1:05:26

by Pierre Corey. I believe it was from

1:05:28

Chief Nerd on Twitter. He's doing a lot of great work on this

1:05:31

topic. And you can see here, this is the vaccine

1:05:33

rollout, distributed vaccines from

1:05:35

the beginning, from the first shots all the way to current,

1:05:38

present day. You can see this huge wave

1:05:40

of the vaccine. Millions of people took

1:05:42

it in the United States. And then right at the end

1:05:44

there, where no one's taking anymore, that's

1:05:47

when the FDA attorney, the

1:05:49

Department of Justice attorney says the FDA

1:05:52

allows doctors to prescribe this. And

1:05:54

so that's where we're at right now. Thank

1:05:56

God we're at the point where these vaccines

1:05:59

aren't really being.

1:05:59

given too much anymore, the uptake is extremely

1:06:02

low, and we can start looking at

1:06:04

sorting out some of these, they

1:06:07

call them post-marketing adverse events, but we've

1:06:09

been on this from the beginning, myocarditis,

1:06:12

we were some of the first to report on that, the

1:06:14

thrombosis, the strokes, the

1:06:17

cancer is showing up, and now

1:06:19

we have some other headlines here, we're

1:06:21

gonna start just looking into this as an ongoing

1:06:24

investigation. This is men's health, pretty

1:06:26

catchy headline here. Yes, leprosy

1:06:28

is back. Remember, leprosy,

1:06:31

this was this, when it brings

1:06:33

thoughts of this middle

1:06:34

age,

1:06:36

dark ages. I think of Jesus,

1:06:38

man, I mean, I think of Jesus in the leper colonies,

1:06:40

I mean, this goes back, this is like biblical here,

1:06:43

I didn't think I'd ever, I mean, hear

1:06:46

about this in the modern world.

1:06:48

And this is, so right now it's in

1:06:51

Florida, here's one of the headlines, how leprosy

1:06:53

arrived in Florida and how it is spreading, new

1:06:55

clues are emerging, it says in this

1:06:58

article, about 95% of people have

1:07:00

natural immunity to the bacteria that

1:07:02

causes leprosy, scientists still are researching

1:07:04

why 5% of people are vulnerable.

1:07:06

This is one of the people

1:07:08

in Florida that has that, it's a 50 year

1:07:10

old man. And what's interesting about

1:07:12

the Florida case is it's people

1:07:15

that haven't come from other countries. So

1:07:17

when you go to the CDC's definitions

1:07:19

of this, of leprosy, they call it

1:07:21

Hansen's disease now in order just to take

1:07:23

away the stigma of the

1:07:25

name leprosy, but it says Hansen's disease, also

1:07:28

known as leprosy is very rare in the United States with

1:07:30

less than 200 cases reported per year. Most

1:07:32

people with Hansen's disease in the US become infected

1:07:35

in a country where it is common.

1:07:37

So this is one of the people, they're

1:07:39

scratching their heads in Florida saying, we really don't

1:07:41

know what's going on here. We found the bacteria

1:07:44

in an armadillo, maybe people are touching armadillos,

1:07:46

these people are, a lot of them, our percentage

1:07:49

of them are coming, aren't coming from other countries here.

1:07:51

So kind of just scratching our heads here. But

1:07:54

what we do here, we start looking at the literature and

1:07:56

what was the biggest experiment we just went through? Well,

1:07:59

it was an interesting experiment.

1:07:59

immune tinkering vaccine

1:08:02

that was given to a lot of people. So we found this

1:08:04

COVID-19 vaccination and leprosy.

1:08:07

Yes, this is actually a study, a UK hospital-based

1:08:10

retrospective cohort study. What did they find?

1:08:12

SARS-CoV-2 vaccination was associated

1:08:15

with the development of leprosy in one individual and

1:08:17

a type 1 reaction in another. Both

1:08:19

men developed their leprosy, adverse reactions

1:08:21

following vaccination with Pfizer's COVID shot,

1:08:24

although in each case it was not

1:08:26

their first SARS-CoV-2 vaccination. Either had received.

1:08:29

This may be due to increased TNF

1:08:31

alpha and interleukin 6 after

1:08:33

Pfizer's COVID vaccination second dose.

1:08:36

So these researchers said, wait a minute, we

1:08:38

found these reactions that are associated

1:08:40

with this vaccine. Let's look at the literature. Is there

1:08:42

any other comments in

1:08:45

the literature? Are there any other studies about this? And this is what

1:08:47

they found. In this study, they write, we identified 14

1:08:50

individuals, men and women with leprosy, adverse

1:08:52

events associated with SARS-CoV-2

1:08:55

vaccines in six published reports

1:08:57

from both leprosy, endemic and non-endemic

1:09:00

settings. So again, Florida

1:09:02

is a non-endemic setting right now, but if

1:09:05

cases are still being found, that could switch to

1:09:07

an endemic setting. And so we

1:09:09

go back to a study, we've gotten a lot of mileage from

1:09:11

this study. It's the Pfizer's

1:09:13

mRNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 reprograms

1:09:16

both adaptive and innate immune responses.

1:09:19

So remember, you have the toll-like

1:09:21

receptors, you're finding these, it regulates,

1:09:24

it down regulates the toll-like receptors.

1:09:26

These are the watchdogs of the immune system when

1:09:28

these foreign invaders, whether it's a virus or a bacteria

1:09:31

or what else comes in, that that's what

1:09:33

gives the alarm system off. So you start

1:09:35

looking into the literature and you see this study,

1:09:38

leprosy and the adaption of the human

1:09:40

toll-like receptor one that says,

1:09:42

we currently conducted an association analysis

1:09:45

of more than 1500 individuals from different

1:09:47

case controls and family studies and observed consistent

1:09:49

associations between genetic variations

1:09:52

in both toll-like receptor one and HLA-DRB1

1:09:56

regions with susceptibility to leprosy.

1:09:58

The effect sizes of these associated and suggests

1:10:01

that TLR1 and HLA-DRB1

1:10:03

are major susceptibility genes in

1:10:05

susceptibility to leprosy.

1:10:08

So

1:10:08

they're basically saying that when there's variants

1:10:11

in these toleic receptors, genetic variants,

1:10:13

there's major susceptibility. Now

1:10:15

the leprosy of the Hansen's disease,

1:10:17

if we want to call it by its current name,

1:10:20

is not the only skin condition that is being

1:10:22

affected by or associated

1:10:24

with these vaccinations. We have herpes

1:10:27

zoster reactivation. This was

1:10:29

a study after mRNA and adenovirus-vectored

1:10:32

coronavirus vaccines. And this was a national

1:10:34

health insurance database. So these

1:10:36

are, they're looking at the database where someone comes

1:10:38

into the doctor's office, they're

1:10:41

actually diagnosed with this, it goes into

1:10:43

their medical record. So these are a little more set in

1:10:45

stone because this is something that's in the health system

1:10:48

now. They find that Pfizer's COVID

1:10:50

shot had a statistically significant increased

1:10:52

risk in the 14-day window following

1:10:54

vaccination. They concluded that

1:10:57

mRNA COVID vaccination possibly

1:10:59

increases the risk of herpes zoster reactivation

1:11:01

and thus close follow-up for herpes zoster

1:11:03

reactivation is required. So think about this, you're a doctor,

1:11:06

you give this shot, you have to watch them for 15 minutes

1:11:08

now for anaphylaxis. You

1:11:10

got to watch them for the first couple of weeks at least

1:11:13

for myocarditis. And then you have,

1:11:15

you know, this potential of cancer that's

1:11:17

floating around, you may have to watch them for that. And

1:11:19

now for 18 days, it's herpes zoster

1:11:21

reactivation. So the doctors have

1:11:24

their work cut out for them that are given these vaccines.

1:11:26

I can tell you that.

1:11:28

Amazing reporting, very scary. And I

1:11:30

think it just simply put, if you're new to the

1:11:32

high wire, you can

1:11:34

read what you want on Wikipedia. They'll try to

1:11:37

scare you away from listening to the truth here.

1:11:39

Everything that we're giving you is peer-reviewed science.

1:11:41

Some of it is pre-prints. Some of this

1:11:43

ends up proving to weigh out

1:11:46

like the ivermectin, we were giving you pre-print

1:11:48

information while it was happening. Now it's fully

1:11:50

peer-reviewed. Some of it will tell

1:11:53

you if it looks like the thoughts have changed around

1:11:55

this. But one thing we do know, this vaccine

1:11:57

was designed,

1:11:58

designed to make

1:11:59

mess with your toll-like receptors, really

1:12:02

those guardians of your immune system. And

1:12:04

if you shut those down, then

1:12:07

we will start seeing herpes zosch, these

1:12:09

things that can be carried in your body but not affecting

1:12:11

you. What happens to leprosy? So this

1:12:13

idea that you have that

1:12:15

you are making yourself stronger by taking

1:12:17

vaccines and priming your immune system, you

1:12:20

know, I don't know where it gets out of control.

1:12:23

Maybe it worked when there was two or three vaccines. Maybe

1:12:25

when we started giving you 72 vaccines or adding

1:12:27

mRNA, but somewhere in here

1:12:29

we're starting to

1:12:29

see a lot of sick people, rises

1:12:32

in autoimmune disease, inabilities to

1:12:34

handle just basic infections and things

1:12:36

that you should normally have natural immunity

1:12:38

to. Are we erasing our immunity

1:12:41

through the overuse of these pharmaceutical

1:12:43

products? All these are part of the conversations that

1:12:46

are happening here. Very interesting. Hopefully

1:12:48

leprosy will not start to run rampant

1:12:50

across America. It's bad enough that we can't

1:12:53

handle a fire. It would really be terrible

1:12:55

if we started dying from a disease we thought was handled

1:12:57

back when the Bible was being written.

1:12:59

All right, Jeffrey, thank you very much for

1:13:02

your incredible reporting. We

1:13:04

have some bonus material coming your way. One

1:13:06

of the things that we've noticed is so many of

1:13:08

you are complaining like, I only see you on Thursday.

1:13:11

Can't you do something else some other part of the week?

1:13:13

Well, we've put together the freedom files.

1:13:15

Jeffrey Jackson and I interviewed a lot

1:13:17

of really brilliant individuals on

1:13:20

many different topics discussing freedom,

1:13:22

not just your health freedom, but

1:13:25

also your financial freedom, things like

1:13:27

that. And so we have a series

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that's going to be released. If you want to know

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when we're airing those things, all you have to do

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is just sign our mailing list right now. Get on the

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to you. It's just down the page right now. This

1:13:41

is just one of the many great things like

1:13:44

all of the data, all the information, all the trials

1:13:46

you see in every one of our episodes. All

1:13:48

you had to do is put in your email right there and

1:13:50

you get our evidence, not just our word.

1:13:53

I don't want you running out there saying, this is what Del Beatry said on the

1:13:55

high wire. No, this is what the FDA

1:13:57

wrote. This is in their own words. This is what the

1:13:59

FDA...

1:13:59

The 58 person said themselves in court

1:14:02

works a lot better in those arguments

1:14:04

you're having at the dinner table when

1:14:07

friends and family are over. This is a little

1:14:09

taste of what the Freedom Piles is gonna be like.

1:14:12

We're here in the middle of

1:14:14

Memphis, the convention center for this

1:14:17

year's Freedom Fast, a libertarian

1:14:20

extravaganza. I'm here with Robert

1:14:22

Enloh, Mr. Avigail. Larry Sharpe.

1:14:25

I'm here with Michael Shermer, science

1:14:27

historian. You're also, this is your

1:14:29

magazine, that's it, grounded

1:14:31

in 1992. You are a noted human

1:14:33

rights activist for experience at Tiananmen Square.

1:14:36

Really incredible speakers talking

1:14:39

about what does it mean to be free. It

1:14:41

was amazing

1:14:42

what governments can do to manipulate

1:14:45

their population when they have the right data

1:14:47

to be able to do so. New York City during the lockdowns,

1:14:49

at seven o'clock at night, everyone would get out

1:14:52

on their windows and clap. And

1:14:54

we'd all clap for the people who were saving us.

1:14:57

We were clapping for our jailers.

1:15:00

That is literally like next level Stockholm

1:15:02

syndrome. So we just started cranking in action

1:15:05

and said, look, we

1:15:07

have to build the scientific

1:15:10

case for Congress, for the White House,

1:15:12

for governors,

1:15:12

for state legislators, for school districts, where

1:15:15

we say, instead of thinking about how to keep everyone

1:15:17

shut down, let's

1:15:20

use all the available data we have to

1:15:22

say what can safely reopen.

1:15:24

I was outspoken about school closures

1:15:26

and other restrictions to children, toddler

1:15:29

masking. I was very focused on children.

1:15:31

I am one who believes that the inflation

1:15:33

was a byproduct of their disastrous decision

1:15:36

to shut us down as an economy. So

1:15:38

many interesting conversations, we're gonna be having

1:15:40

them here. I grew up in

1:15:42

the space where there is no freedom of press. There

1:15:44

is basically zero

1:15:47

freedoms that we know

1:15:49

as human rights. I'm a survivor

1:15:51

of the Tiananmen Massacre.

1:15:54

I was someone

1:15:56

who was there first.

1:15:59

must to leave, it's

1:16:02

my duty to tell

1:16:04

the world what happened. I

1:16:07

want to just stand up for innocent people who don't have

1:16:09

a voice and be their voice. The

1:16:13

decision was easy. We really all want

1:16:16

the same thing and that is to live

1:16:18

and to have access to

1:16:21

life at its highest level. And

1:16:23

when that is taken away, you know, thus

1:16:26

the struggle emerges. We

1:16:29

are far

1:16:29

more the same

1:16:32

than government tries

1:16:34

to fool us that we're not. The theorem here

1:16:36

is really clear and it's math. It's not left wing,

1:16:38

it's not right wing, it's not Republican, Democrat, liberal

1:16:41

or conservative. Debating is a natural

1:16:43

process of life. Autism rates may

1:16:45

not actually be increasing. The category

1:16:48

may be expanding that more

1:16:50

people are being diagnosed on the spectrum. Okay,

1:16:53

let me challenge that because I think that's one of the stupidest

1:16:55

scientific statements ever made. Keep punching

1:16:57

and keep punching and we'll know

1:16:59

what

1:16:59

it's going to change when we see the

1:17:02

enforcers refuse to enforce.

1:17:04

I'm more into fighting for freedom of speech, human rights

1:17:07

and I don't think human rights should be political. Unfortunately

1:17:09

it is, but that's a narrative I'm trying to

1:17:11

change.

1:17:11

This is the single greatest threat to

1:17:14

our liberties that is being advanced by the federal government today

1:17:16

and we've got to stop it. May we all continue

1:17:19

to do our work to help

1:17:21

freedom reign.

1:17:27

There's so much more programming we want to do

1:17:29

for you. This is just a taste of the things we're

1:17:31

working on a new series right now

1:17:33

that hopefully will be ready sometime

1:17:36

in the fall or winter with Jeffrey Jackson

1:17:38

and looking at some other voices out there.

1:17:41

But there's only so much we can do with

1:17:44

the beautiful donations we get from

1:17:47

you and I've said it before, I said

1:17:49

it just a couple of weeks ago, we've really expanded

1:17:51

our audience and we've expanded

1:17:53

our reach in what we want to do and what we can do

1:17:55

but we are limited by

1:17:57

how much you decide to be involved. I

1:18:00

got a call from Aaron Siri, our

1:18:02

lawyer this week, saying, Del, is there any

1:18:04

way that we can try and raise

1:18:06

some more funds? There's a bunch of legal cases

1:18:08

I want to do right now, and we're just

1:18:10

right at the limit. I'm actually gonna

1:18:13

come up a little bit short this month. I want to be clear,

1:18:16

we are not like dropping backwards. What

1:18:18

we want to do is we want to continue to grow. We

1:18:20

are holding, you guys have been brilliant all this

1:18:22

time, and I know many of you are donating

1:18:25

now to the possibility

1:18:27

of change in presidential candidates

1:18:29

you like

1:18:29

out there, and so we're all competing to

1:18:32

be able to do something, but this is the one space

1:18:34

where we're actually bringing lawsuits against the government

1:18:37

of the United States, the FDA, the CDC, Health

1:18:39

and Human Services. We're the only ones

1:18:41

that are bringing back your right to the religious exemption

1:18:43

like we did in Mississippi. We're fighting in

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1:20:36

All right, over the last couple

1:20:38

of years throughout COVID,

1:20:40

we brought you some of the greatest minds in

1:20:42

science that were bringing different perspectives on

1:20:44

what they saw there. One of the most controversial,

1:20:47

powerful, and perhaps horrifying

1:20:49

was Gert van den Bosch, who

1:20:52

had an incredible background from veterinary

1:20:55

medicine all the way into working on the Ebola

1:20:57

vaccine trials. I will say

1:20:59

right now, for anyone that wants to challenge

1:21:02

it, he's pro-vaccine, he has his

1:21:04

perspective on those things. We may get into that a little

1:21:06

bit, but when he decided in his

1:21:08

world of really loving

1:21:10

vaccines that this is one that was gonna

1:21:12

cause a lot of harm, it brought a

1:21:14

lot of attention to us, and

1:21:16

we want to bring attention to that thought. This

1:21:19

is what he was saying just over

1:21:21

the last couple of years. Take a look at

1:21:23

this.

1:21:24

Dear colleagues at the WHO, my

1:21:27

name is Gert van den Bosch. I'm

1:21:30

urging you to immediately

1:21:33

open the scientific debate on

1:21:36

how human interventions in the COVID-19

1:21:38

pandemic are

1:21:41

currently

1:21:42

driving viral immune

1:21:45

escape. It's first and

1:21:47

foremost deliberate on

1:21:50

a scientifically justified strategy

1:21:54

to mitigate the

1:21:56

tsunami of morbidity

1:21:59

and lethargy.

1:21:59

that is now threatening

1:22:02

us. If you are now vaccinating

1:22:05

people during a pandemic,

1:22:08

that means that the antibodies

1:22:11

are mounting while

1:22:14

they can be confronted with the virus. There

1:22:17

you start to put immune pressure

1:22:19

on the virus. This can only

1:22:23

lead to natural selection

1:22:25

of the fittest and it will ultimately

1:22:27

become the dominant virus. So that

1:22:29

means only people who

1:22:32

will still have their

1:22:33

innate immunity intact

1:22:36

have a chance, have a chance

1:22:38

to survive. The safety impact

1:22:41

will be tremendous and

1:22:43

will be of an order of magnitude

1:22:46

that is not even comparable to

1:22:49

the side effects we are talking about. This

1:22:51

is a second mass vaccination during

1:22:53

a pandemic, a pandemic of a

1:22:55

high infectious virus this time, right?

1:22:58

With non-neutralizing antibodies that have

1:23:00

been boosted, that are going to be boosted

1:23:03

because they are directed against an antigenic side.

1:23:05

So your new neutralizing antibodies

1:23:08

have no chance whatsoever.

1:23:10

My frustration is that the

1:23:12

message is so difficult to convey

1:23:15

whereas this naive narrative that

1:23:17

these guys are spreading is so easy

1:23:20

for people to understand. It's basically,

1:23:22

you know, shut up and get yourself vaccinated

1:23:25

and also get your kids

1:23:27

vaccinated, which is the biggest disaster

1:23:30

ever because this is the biggest reservoir

1:23:32

for herd immunity. They have innate

1:23:35

immunity, they can clear

1:23:36

this virus, they're the vacuum cleaners

1:23:39

and they will eliminate the virus from a public

1:23:41

health viewpoint. A

1:23:42

disaster, not only for the

1:23:44

child but also. And the more

1:23:46

children we will vaccinate, the

1:23:49

more we will, of course, expedite

1:23:52

this immune escape and get to this kind

1:23:54

of variant that will

1:23:56

not only be highly infectious, fully

1:23:58

resistant to the vaccine.

1:23:59

and also I'd be virulent. If they don't

1:24:02

believe me,

1:24:03

they should simply wait and

1:24:06

see what is going to happen. But it

1:24:08

will be too late. The losses will be unprecedented.

1:24:12

Well, for many of us that were, you

1:24:14

know, watching Gear, Van and Bosch for the last couple

1:24:16

of years, I think a lot of us, our shoulders went

1:24:19

down. It was something that, you know, I was saying, I

1:24:21

hope that this doesn't prove to be true. This

1:24:23

idea that the vaccine would pressure the virus

1:24:26

to become more deadly, maybe override

1:24:28

the vaccine and push so many into

1:24:31

a deadly position. But before you think

1:24:33

this might be over, Gear Van

1:24:35

and Bosch has continued to write on this subject

1:24:38

and his most recent article is this.

1:24:41

Immunological correlates of vaccine breakthrough

1:24:43

infections caused by SARS-CoV-2

1:24:45

variants in highly COVID-19

1:24:48

vaccinated populations. This

1:24:50

is an ongoing investigation for

1:24:52

Gear. And I've been wanting to have him on the show for quite

1:24:55

some time, but I've been busy, he's

1:24:57

been busy. But in trying to prepare for this, I

1:24:59

said, is there a way to sort of simplify

1:25:01

this into a message that I can get out to the public? This is what

1:25:03

he sent to us. This is the graphic

1:25:07

that he gave us and you can see the

1:25:09

variable immunodominant epitopes,

1:25:11

the conserved immune subdominant epitopes.

1:25:14

You can see the arrows and slides and

1:25:16

things like that. He explains it a little bit

1:25:18

clearer with this line right here.

1:25:21

VTIs trigger immune refocusing

1:25:24

and thereby elicit broadly cross-functional

1:25:26

antibodies and potentially pathogenic isotype

1:25:29

switched. IgG4 antibodies,

1:25:31

SIR enabling BBTIs

1:25:34

drive large scale viral immunoscape

1:25:36

in vaccines by reorienting the immune

1:25:38

response to S associated antigenic

1:25:41

sites that prime broadly functional antibodies

1:25:43

with low affinity. All right, you get the

1:25:45

idea as I read through that.

1:25:49

You can tell this is the type of hell that I live

1:25:51

in. I have to try and make that make sense. Luckily

1:25:54

for me today, I have in studio

1:25:56

the one, the only Dr.

1:25:59

Geer, Fandenbacher.

1:26:01

Thank you so much. Thanks. It's really a pleasure

1:26:03

to have you here in person. We

1:26:05

had the opportunity to actually meet back

1:26:08

in England just over a

1:26:10

year ago. So it's really

1:26:13

great to be here.

1:26:15

I want to say right now we're about to have a conversation

1:26:18

that part of my concern is this that

1:26:21

I feel like the government that I live

1:26:23

in, you're from Belgium, that's where you're living, really

1:26:26

likes to ramp up fear around this virus. And

1:26:28

I feel like they're starting to talk about new variants

1:26:31

and they're ramping up that fear and concern again.

1:26:33

And I don't like

1:26:35

sort of helping them with that job.

1:26:38

But I also don't

1:26:40

want to be at the sleep at the wheel if

1:26:42

there's the potential that people could be at real

1:26:45

risk. And so I think the

1:26:47

best thing I can say to the audience right now is

1:26:49

I don't know. I don't know what's

1:26:51

true, what's not, but you, there's

1:26:54

much of what you said. We watched the variants.

1:26:56

You said we are going to see just

1:26:58

a ramping up of the amount of variants.

1:27:01

And I don't know what the normal course

1:27:04

of variants by COVID every season is,

1:27:06

but there was a lot. And it felt

1:27:08

like that pressure was doing something.

1:27:10

To be clear and to try and keep it simple,

1:27:13

are you still concerned that this

1:27:16

virus is not done

1:27:18

mutating and could be potentially

1:27:20

dangerous in the future? Yeah,

1:27:23

well, I'm highly,

1:27:25

highly concerned. And

1:27:28

the reason is that, well,

1:27:31

don't listen what our authorities say

1:27:33

because simply they don't understand. They

1:27:36

don't understand where this is going. And

1:27:39

they are trying to make

1:27:41

us believe that the

1:27:43

diminished pathogenicity that we are seeing right

1:27:45

now in terms of COVID, right? Yeah, it seems like

1:27:47

it's mostly nothing burger. Everyone

1:27:49

seems to be doing fine. That the diminished pathogenicity

1:27:52

we are seeing and

1:27:55

the diminished concentration of the virus

1:27:57

in like wastewater, because that

1:27:59

is...

1:27:59

the way they are now measuring. This

1:28:02

is now to say like a proxy for measuring

1:28:04

transmission. The concentration

1:28:07

in the wastewater. I know they do this with polio around

1:28:09

the world. Is there polio in a village or

1:28:11

something? They can check the water. You know, we can

1:28:13

come back to this. For me, this is not a parameter

1:28:16

to measure transmission. The

1:28:18

diminished pathogenicity

1:28:20

combined with, let's say, lower

1:28:22

concentrations of the virus in

1:28:25

wastewater. For them,

1:28:27

this is now a sign that we have, so

1:28:29

to say, herd immunity and that the virus

1:28:31

is entering into endemicity. Right.

1:28:34

Okay.

1:28:36

On the other hand, everybody knows this is

1:28:38

not my theory. Everybody can

1:28:40

see this. These are the data. We still

1:28:42

do have cases of COVID-19.

1:28:45

We even have severe cases of COVID-19.

1:28:48

We still have

1:28:50

a lot of transmission of COVID-19.

1:28:53

We still have a lot of evolution

1:28:56

of the virus to follow

1:28:58

these people who are watching,

1:29:01

spotting all these mutants.

1:29:04

Well, I can tell you, Del, that all

1:29:07

of this contradicts herd

1:29:09

immunity when you have

1:29:11

a pandemic because then the WHO

1:29:14

is saying the acute phase

1:29:16

of the pandemic is over or the emergency

1:29:19

phase of the pandemic is over.

1:29:22

What does that mean? Because if you

1:29:24

normally have a pandemic, you have an acute

1:29:26

phase, which is the

1:29:29

wave or maybe two waves, and

1:29:31

then it enters into endemicity.

1:29:33

So there is only two phases, the

1:29:35

acute phase, which is the wave, and

1:29:38

the other is not even the pandemic

1:29:40

anymore. It's the endemic phase. So

1:29:44

we are clearly seeing an

1:29:46

evolution of the virus that

1:29:49

clearly illustrates that we don't

1:29:52

have herd immunity because

1:29:54

during a natural pandemic, you

1:29:56

see none of this. The transmission is

1:29:59

severely

1:29:59

diminished, right? That is almost

1:30:02

the definition of herd immunity. The

1:30:05

virus is no longer evolving.

1:30:07

Of course you will still see mutants,

1:30:09

but they will not become dominant. Here

1:30:12

we are talking when I'm talking about the mutants,

1:30:14

I'm talking about mutants that become

1:30:16

dominant. And so there is still a

1:30:18

lot of... So they mutate, then that new mutation

1:30:20

takes over being... That is the whole

1:30:22

thing, Del, because why does

1:30:25

it take over? It can only take

1:30:27

over if the environment

1:30:29

it is

1:30:29

in is in general hostile

1:30:33

to it. So that means if you have

1:30:35

like, you know, large

1:30:37

cohorts of people

1:30:38

that are exerting immune

1:30:41

pressure that is suboptimal, that does

1:30:43

not sterilize, then

1:30:45

of course, you know, you can start

1:30:47

do natural selection

1:30:49

and viruses, mutants that happen

1:30:52

to have a competitive advantage will

1:30:55

take over. So that is the mutants

1:30:57

you have them all the time, but for a mutant to become

1:30:59

dominant, that only happens

1:31:02

in this case on a background of

1:31:04

large scale suboptimal immune pressure.

1:31:07

And that is very, very worrisome. So I'm saying

1:31:09

what we are seeing right now has absolutely

1:31:12

nothing to do.

1:31:13

And people should be very clear about this

1:31:15

with herd immunity. And

1:31:18

I can tell you that they

1:31:20

are in fear, of course, that,

1:31:24

you know, another virulent

1:31:27

mutant could come back, one that would be virulent

1:31:30

in the kind of environment that

1:31:32

we have been generating, namely

1:31:34

the artificial immunity

1:31:37

in a highly vaccinated population. And

1:31:39

that is why they want to distract you.

1:31:42

And they say, oh, there is other viruses that are

1:31:44

going to come and we are

1:31:47

going to see other epidemics and other

1:31:49

threats. And all this is distracting,

1:31:51

right? But I'm still focused on

1:31:54

studying the evolution of

1:31:56

the very SARS-CoV-2, of course,

1:31:58

in now.

1:31:59

in a kind of different shape,

1:32:02

in a different form. And that

1:32:04

is for me still worrisome.

1:32:06

Yes, to be very open,

1:32:09

you know, it was declared as a health

1:32:11

emergency of international concern,

1:32:13

which was a complete nonsense, as we all

1:32:16

know. But now, although

1:32:18

the fact, and this is difficult for people to understand,

1:32:21

I fully agree,

1:32:22

with regard to COVID-19, it's

1:32:25

more or less silent, right? Mortality,

1:32:28

morbidity rates are very low.

1:32:32

And so people tend- The virus we're seeing,

1:32:34

but we are seeing this incredible rise

1:32:36

in all-cause mortality and not really knowing

1:32:39

where that's happening. That is my point, and I'm glad

1:32:42

that you put up the title of my new

1:32:44

contribution, because what I recently

1:32:46

found out is that a number

1:32:49

of this side effects, that we consider

1:32:51

being direct side effects of

1:32:54

the vaccine, or in fact, side

1:32:56

effects, if you like, of the immune escape.

1:32:59

So in fact, the immune response

1:33:02

being focused now,

1:33:05

thanks to, or due to, I should say, the

1:33:07

vaccine breakthrough infection, the

1:33:10

immune response is now going to focus

1:33:12

on other domains of the spike protein.

1:33:15

And some of these domains of the spike

1:33:17

protein

1:33:18

are more conserved. That's, remember,

1:33:21

you will remember that people who get vaccine

1:33:24

breakthrough infections, they

1:33:26

were, so to say, doing fantastic because

1:33:28

all of a sudden, they got broadly

1:33:30

neutralizing antibodies. They declined

1:33:32

very rapidly. Same with the mRNA

1:33:34

vaccines. They declined very rapidly. But

1:33:37

why did they have broadly neutralizing antibodies?

1:33:40

Because they were directed against the more

1:33:42

conserved domains of

1:33:45

spike protein. But the more

1:33:47

the domain is conserved

1:33:48

and the lower the immunogenicity,

1:33:52

this goes together because if a domain is conserved,

1:33:55

evolutionary speaking, it means it's very

1:33:57

important. So the virus doesn't.

1:33:59

want the immune system to recognize

1:34:02

that domain that much. So what you have

1:34:04

to bear in mind, the more

1:34:07

it is conserved, so the less

1:34:09

immunogenic,

1:34:10

but also the more closely

1:34:13

it often resembles components,

1:34:16

peptides of our own cells.

1:34:19

So now, immune refocusing starts

1:34:22

refocusing, to some extent,

1:34:24

the immune system to make it concentrate

1:34:28

on domains of spike protein

1:34:31

that have some self resemblance,

1:34:33

some resemblance with our self components.

1:34:36

You see what I'm saying? So now we start

1:34:38

to induce immune responses

1:34:40

that can recognize self

1:34:43

components in our cells. All

1:34:45

the arguments I heard Paul Offit talking

1:34:47

about this is concerned that, for

1:34:49

instance, you're creating antibodies for spike, but

1:34:51

those antibodies, there's parts of the spike that

1:34:53

look a lot like a heart cell. And

1:34:56

therefore, the antibody that's protecting or trying

1:34:58

to fight spike will go and attack

1:35:00

heart. This is one of his theories. These are theories that are

1:35:02

out there that, because it looks similar, our

1:35:05

own immune system starts attacking cells in our own body. But even

1:35:07

cancer cell, for example, you know, a cancer

1:35:09

cell very often starts with a

1:35:12

slight alteration, a slight

1:35:14

change of self proteins on the surface

1:35:16

of the cancer cells. At that very

1:35:19

early stage, though, the proteins

1:35:22

still very much resemble self

1:35:24

proteins. We call them altered

1:35:26

self. But those altered

1:35:28

self proteins are also going

1:35:31

to be recognized by these new

1:35:33

antibodies, so to say. So they are going

1:35:35

to sit on this cancer cell. And the cancer cell

1:35:38

can no longer recognize by the

1:35:40

munefector cells that should recognize

1:35:43

this cancer cell and destroy it. They see it as though

1:35:45

it's safe because that's self. They recognize

1:35:47

it. I guess what I'm saying is that, you know,

1:35:50

I now found out that,

1:35:53

in fact, you know, I'm always after putting

1:35:55

the pieces of the puzzle together, that,

1:35:57

in fact, also this whole.

1:35:59

spectrum of side

1:36:02

effects, where we talk about autoimmunity, when

1:36:04

we talk about inflammatory reactions,

1:36:07

when we talk about cancers,

1:36:09

for example, or also

1:36:12

apparently linked to immunoscape,

1:36:15

to this immunorefocusing, immunorefocusing

1:36:17

lead to immunoscape, but also exposes

1:36:20

new domains of spike protein

1:36:23

that are responsible to some extent

1:36:25

for the side effects. And that's also the reason,

1:36:27

together with immunoscape, we see

1:36:30

even an evolution in the pathology

1:36:33

of non-COVID-related diseases,

1:36:36

where it was very much inflammatory

1:36:38

at the beginning. It's now

1:36:41

more like autoimmune, more cancer,

1:36:43

non-inflammatory to some extent. So

1:36:47

for me, the secondary effect responsible

1:36:50

to a large extent for the excess deaths is

1:36:53

also a sign that

1:36:55

the virus continues to evolve

1:36:58

and that the immune system gets further

1:36:59

derailed, if you like. Right,

1:37:02

because the immune system affects all of those things.

1:37:04

It's affecting our cancer rates, all these different

1:37:06

things. So as you look

1:37:08

at this,

1:37:11

and you know, your

1:37:13

concern though, I mean, it is causing, if

1:37:15

you're saying it's a part of, we are seeing

1:37:17

this rise in all these other issues. We talked to

1:37:20

Dr. Peter McCullough, very focused on the

1:37:22

problems we're seeing with myocarditis in the heart.

1:37:27

This idea that you had said early

1:37:29

on that you believe the bigger issue

1:37:31

was not going to be the side effects of the vaccine, the

1:37:33

bigger issue was going to be these mutations

1:37:37

from the pressure of the vaccine in the middle

1:37:39

of a pandemic. First of all, I want

1:37:41

to say, you know, it's clear the vaccine doesn't work.

1:37:44

I mean, now we all know people have got three or four

1:37:46

shots and they're saying I still got COVID three

1:37:48

or four times. It's hard to imagine why. And

1:37:50

I don't think a lot of people, nobody's getting the boosters

1:37:53

now. Nobody really buys that it works.

1:37:56

But I think the question is, is after they've gotten

1:37:59

COVID,

1:37:59

Why isn't COVID resetting

1:38:02

the immune system, right? They get sick,

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they get symptomatic, they're like, oh, you know, I got

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pretty sick. What is it about

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the vaccine that, you

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know, had they not had it, they

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get sick and they're immune for a much longer, really

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strong immunity and they're able to protect themselves. Why

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are they getting it over and over again? Well, you

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know, the

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key word to that is the vaccine

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breakthrough infection.

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So you remember when Omicron came,

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all people, you know, even those

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who were against this mass vaccination

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were saying, you know, this is fantastic, we are out

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of this crisis because Omicron

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is highly infectious, it's gonna boost

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even those who are vaccinated, it's

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gonna spread very rapidly, we are gonna have

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herd immunity and it's not causing

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severe disease, so it's fine.

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And I must say, very honestly, I

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also at the very beginning believed into this,

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but not for a long time, maybe one week.

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Seven days, gear was full. Yeah, well, 10 days maybe.

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It's like, we're okay, I could go. No, no, no, no, but

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I'm saying, I mean, this is,

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it's sad to say, it's sad to say,

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but it's of course one of the most

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intriguing scientific

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challenges I've ever been tackling

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in my whole career. But of course

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the outcome is sometimes very sobering.

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But what is happening is when the vaccine,

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when the virus

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breaks through that immunity, that

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then of course the antibodies

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that do no longer neutralize,

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see, that was the problem with Omicron, all

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of a sudden there was a big change in

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this receptor binding domain and

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all of a sudden the vaccine induced

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antibodies could no longer neutralize

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or barely neutralize, there was a strong diminished

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neutralizing capacity of the vaccinal

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antibodies. So the virus

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breaks through that immunity

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and so very, very

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fast because what you have then, when people

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are interested, they can read this in my book, is

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that you start.

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to synthesize, so to say, non-neutralizing

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antibodies. They're going to attach

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to the virus, and they are going

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to accelerate the

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virus, the entry of the virus in the cell, and

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also the reproduction. So, to your question,

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why is it that at that moment

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you don't stimulate the natural or

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the innate immunity, it's because the viral

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reproduction goes so fast,

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normally innate immunity, for example, in

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K cells, is stimulated at a very

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early stage

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of viral infection, where some

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early proteins are presented at the

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membrane, at the surface of the infected cell,

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there the NK cell can start to be... That's

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killer cells come in, right? If it goes too fast,

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too fast, you can forget about this. Van

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den Bosch never said that you destroy innate

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immunity, but you sideline it.

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It goes too fast. So then

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the virus breaks through, but