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You're listening to the human upgrade with

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Dave Asprey, formerly

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Bulletproof Radio. All

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right, glucose goddess. You guys probably follow

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glucose goddess because she was like 3 million

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followers, but you

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may not. If you don't, her stuff is really

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good. And so I've been a fan

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of Blood Tricker for a long time. In

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fact, in maybe 2014 after

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I started the first blog, I

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opened a package one day and in it was a

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Dexcom glucose monitor. I used one. Nice.

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And it was from with this really nice letter

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from a woman who said, Dave, I'm a type

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1 diabetic. Your

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Bulletproof coffee in this MCT oil,

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especially, has made

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such a difference in my life because now my blood sugar

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goes low. I don't

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go into seizure because I have ketones as a

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backup and it's been life changing. I got a

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new monitor. I know you'll want to geek out

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with this one. Wow. It's one of your fans.

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Yeah, it was just a Dexcom gift. And

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I was like, this is cool. I played around with it,

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but it was an older one. The

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newer ones I work with levels. Do you work with levels

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or a similar company? No, I don't work with any of

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the companies. Okay. So I'm an investor in levels now and

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levels does the stick on white thing. They see a lot

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of people wearing the Libre. Yeah. And I've worked

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that on Dr. Rawson. He's like, he's like,

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what's that? I'm like, oh, that's my cyborg arms.

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I have like an aura ring and like my little

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white things. It looks weird on the camera. So

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like we're both nerds on

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that and many listeners, you guys are nerds too, but

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some of you aren't. So we're

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going to talk in details about Lucas

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because you're not just an influencer. No,

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you're a scientist. Yes. Right. And

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by the way, guys, everyone

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says I'm not a scientist. Number one, fuck

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off. Number two, I'm a computer

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scientist. So anyway, I

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am a scientist also, but

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you're like, you're a scientist and

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I'm like a proper scientist. Yeah, because you went

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to like George Tower. I went to the lab,

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you know, and worked on like rat models. Nice.

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I worked on rat models once. Really? I

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bought them at the store and you like glue them together

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and paint them like little rats. What?

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Not a rat model is? Like Legos, but for rats.

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What are you talking about? No. Oh

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my god. You're easy to fool. This could be a funny

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interview. Okay, I'm gonna have you better know. I'm not gonna

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be fooled. Next joke, I won't be fooled. I think I've

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got you. All right. How many of you have glucose? I

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don't know. I'm gonna have glucose.

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Okay. How many of you have glucose? Well,

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Dave, as you know, glucose is your

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body's favorite source of energy, right? So

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as we're laughing and joking around, our

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brain cells using glucose are

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which cell they're using glucose,

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wait, when you hang

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on to that water bottle, your finger cells are

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using glucose, right? So in most

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bodies, all of your cells are using glucose. Okay. All

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the time. Even the neurons. Even the neurons. We're

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gonna have to talk about that one. Well, it

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just depends, right? But I'm just

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talking in general for

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most people. It's a primary fuel source.

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Primary fuel. Yes. But

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please, you know, add some layers and some complexity bits. I

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like to start from the beginning, right? Primary

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fuel source, principle energy

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for the body. And

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then we can talk about what happens if

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you don't want to do that. But the

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main way that most of us currently give

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glucose to our body is by eating food,

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by eating carbs mostly, right? So starches, bread,

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rice, pasta, potatoes, oats, and

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anything that tastes sweet from Cephalopon. An

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apple. Yes, except for Cebha.

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Correct. Except for sweeteners. So anything from

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an apple to a slice of cake, right? Yep.

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What about broccoli? Broccoli. Well, broccoli

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is mostly fiber and water. Very

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tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny amounts of glucose. That's

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not gonna spike your glucose levels. So

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when you eat broccoli, though, doesn't

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a meaningful amount of carbohydrate eventually

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become... Well, the

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thing is, in broccoli, most of the

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carbs are actually fiber, right? There's very little

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starch. is not going to turn

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back into glucose molecules. There's a very

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small amount of starch in bacteria that will turn

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to glucose, but if you eat a pound of

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broccoli versus a pound of bread, not

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at all the same thing. It's negligible. And what about the protein

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in the broccoli? Yes. So some fruit, there's

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not much protein in the broccoli. There's not

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as much glucose-forming starch as there is protein,

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but vegans believe it's high protein. Well,

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listen, protein does turn to glucose

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at a much higher rate. Okay?

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So when people

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hear this, like, okay, so glucose energy, I

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want lots of energy, carbs, give me energy,

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so I should eat loads of carbs. Right?

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That's a common conclusion you might

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reach. That was me in the 80s, that's for sure.

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Is that what you thought? Everyone

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thought that. So like before doing a hundred

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mile bike ride, you would literally go to

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Dunkin Donuts and get the low fat muffins

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because they had more carbs. Wild. And

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I wonder why I was fat as a

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kid, but that's what we believe because we

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believed all these like nutrition researchers and scientists,

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the American Dietetic Association, the people who make

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hospital meals today, you did that to me

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and I've got your number. I

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grew up on orange juice and Nutella crepes every

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morning. Where did you grow up? In France. I

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was going to say. But was it really Nutella or was

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it like homemade? Oh, no, no, no, no, real

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Nutella. Like the 70% palm oil kind. Palm

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oil is not that bad for you, is it? I don't

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think it's really good. Was it hydrogenated? No, but it's

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really, really good for you, of course. No, guys, it's

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not good for you. Nutella is not good for you.

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Nutella is bad for you, but palm oil is not bad for you. Palm

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oil is bad for you. We have to talk about

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this. Really? Why does your body

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make palmitic acid? It's the only saturated fatty manufacturer.

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Okay, but not in the same quantities as you

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would find in a jar of Nutella. I

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will eat palmitic acid all

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day long before you can oil. Sure.

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Okay. But you're not going to recommend that people start

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drinking a bunch of palm oil and have it in

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their diet. I wouldn't supplement it. I would do butter

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instead. Okay, but if you say that, people

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might think, okay, Nutella is actually not too bad for me.

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Not my people. My people are smarter than your

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people. Okay, good. So I grew up in Nutella. like I said

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in the morning. I'm chubbed. And

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orange juice. I'm channeling Bobby, what's her name? Bobby Althoff.

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Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, for some reason I just feel

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like I'm channeling her right now and I'm just making

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all these comments to see if you

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just get uncomfortable because it's making me laugh. Super

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uncomfortable right now. You don't

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act like it. I'm really uncomfortable.

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Those are Bobby's kids. Me. Like

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Felizcis. So yeah, so

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carbs are not actually a good way

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to give your body energy because, like

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a plant, some water good for the plants,

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too much water plant dies. Human

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body, some glucose is fine, too much glucose, lots

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of problems start happening. So you gotta, giving your

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body a little bit is fine, but too much

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is not gonna be better. What food is your sugar Nutella? Would you

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eat that? Honestly,

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I'm so over all of

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these processed foods that call

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themselves no added sugar, vegan, gluten

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free just to look healthy. Like if I'm gonna

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eat Nutella, I want the real Nutella. I don't

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want keto ice cream. I want the

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triple chocolate fudge brownie ice cream. If

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I'm eating something sweet, I wanna eat the real deal.

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So you like glucose? I do, I

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love glucose. And so you like sugar? Yeah,

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I love sugar. Just cause you're French, you

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like baguettes and all that. Yeah, but also

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I think this is what got me into this because I

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didn't wanna have glucose facts but I still wanted to eat the

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carbs. We're

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gonna have so much fun talking about this because

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it sounds like you're hacking a problem here. Yeah,

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how do you eat the stuff you love and get

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all that dopamine from your sweetness that's

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less impact on your body? That's kind of the whole thing.

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Do people are gonna... Do you like sugar? People are

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gonna be shocked, yes. Do you eat sugar every day? I

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don't eat also sugar every day, but I

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eat sugar most days, but it comes from

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fruit or honey. If I

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was gonna buy you like a cake for your million

7:43

followers when you hit it, what kind of cake would

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you like? I

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found this thing at Erewhon here

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in town called Karma Cakes. Ooh.

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They look like, are

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they ding dongs? No ho-hos. Whatever

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the round, no. Hostess, come on. cupcakes. You wouldn't know this because

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you didn't grow up here. So it's like

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the 1990s processed little

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chocolate cupcakes that would come like

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at a 7-Eleven that you would

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never eat. But they're made

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out of sorghum. And there's brains

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I don't normally eat. And there's definitely sugar

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in them. And there's probably some palm oil

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in the whipped filling. Oh, your favorite. But they're actually I

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have one in the fridge over there. You

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want one? Not kind of. We'll try them out. Okay.

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At the end of the show, we're gonna have a common cake together. Okay,

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cool. But I prefer like proper, really unhealthy.

8:29

This is like maybe some sort of like hippie vegan person,

8:31

it'll be unhealthy. Well, come on.

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It'll pretend to be healthy. I realize

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that. Yeah, but for what? Everything at

8:37

everyone's healthy. Who knows that? No.

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I'm bullshit. When I eat sugar,

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I want to eat the real stuff. I want

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to eat the I'm a chocolate person. I'm

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actually Chocolate fudge with chocolate sprinkles

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and chocolate sauce and a brownie on the

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side. I want everyone listening to hear this.

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I have the sprinkles I would ditch because

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they're not. But if

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you're going to eat what we

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used to call a cheat meal, which is a dumb idea, don't

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make it out of industrial process crap. Like

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eat the sugar. It's better for you than

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the sucralose and all the other crap. But

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don't do it all the time and use what you're

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going to learn here. Exactly. To keep

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your blood sugar from going crazy. Can I ask

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a question? What? What's that molecule tested on

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your arm? I mean, you studied all this

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stuff. Do you know what that is? No. It's

9:22

trimethylzanthine. What's that? Caffeine. Do

9:24

you like caffeine? Yeah,

9:26

it lowers my blood sugar. Oh, really? Interesting.

9:29

And some people have spikes in blood sugar. It

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depends on how long you wait. Really?

9:36

If your adrenals are tweaked and it raises your

9:38

cortisol, cortisol breaks down muscle and raises blood sugar.

9:40

That's a little blah. Yeah. But so does an

9:42

infrared sauna spike of blood sugar, right? Yeah, but

9:44

I still haven't figured out if that's from

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the heat actually causing the

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glucose monitor to slightly malfunction or from

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the dehydration in your body. Like what's

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going on there? No, it actually

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is released in cortisol. Really?

9:59

Of course. That's why. It's the equivalent of

10:01

a workout. It raises your heart

10:03

rate, raises your blood pressure. What about dehydration?

10:05

Is that a thing you think? I don't

10:07

think so. Okay. You couldn't raise

10:09

it that much. Imagine how much blood you'd have to drop. If

10:12

you're going to raise your... It'll go up by 20 points. Yeah,

10:14

yeah, yeah. Like from 80 to 100 or something. So that would

10:16

be a 20% or no, 25% dehydration. If

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you're 20... That would be not. That would be

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like probably not okay. I've been practicing my cold plunging in sauna

10:25

and I can do three and a half minutes now in the

10:27

cold plunge. Are you impressed? Do

10:29

you think I'm cool? I'm very impressed. I think

10:31

you're cool. Mostly just so you have three million

10:34

followers. I mean everything else, whatever. Makes

10:37

sense. That's why

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I also think about people.

10:41

Like coolness and number of followers. Do you walk

10:43

into a bar and just be like, I'm the

10:46

glucose goddess. I have three million followers and they

10:48

give you free drinks? All the time. Yeah. I

10:51

don't pay for anything. Man, you're

10:53

giving it back to me. I don't have to do with

10:56

this. We're

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talking about the infrared sauna thing. I've

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seen mine hundreds of times in the

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sauna and the

11:07

length of the sauna does affect it. I just

11:09

think it's elevated heart rate and cortisol. I bet

11:11

money on that. And it always goes back down

11:13

pretty quickly afterwards. Yeah, it does. But

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what does the cold plunge do to your blood

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sugar? I don't know actually. I haven't tested

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it with a glucose monitor. Interesting. I've

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never... I think it's a similar thing. No,

11:25

I don't think so. You get the endorphins.

11:27

I've never seen a spike from it, but it doesn't

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seem to bring it down either. How

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long of a cold plunge do you want to be able to do? 20

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minutes. Why? Because

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I'm going to be badass. The

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benefits really... Yeah, after two... After six minutes is a lot

11:46

of the limit. No,

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I don't want to go much longer because then I'm like,

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I don't feel my body anymore and I could stay longer,

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but it doesn't feel very healthy. It's not.

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Yeah. I think they had an event and

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they had the ice cubes in the water. It's really cold. It's

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one degree centigrade or whatever. And

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I was in a group. What's

12:06

centigrade itself is, what's the difference? I still don't.

12:08

It's the same word like different countries

12:10

in Europe. You should try traveling around Europe.

12:13

You learn a lot. So,

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we, I'm in

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a city for 15 minutes. Because I'm doing,

12:21

and I do live, and I got an

12:23

exciting question. I started talking. And I got

12:25

out, and I feel so freaking good. Yes,

12:27

yes. And I'm starting to walk back to

12:29

my room. And I'm giving a talk

12:31

at this investment conference. And I'm walking, and I start

12:34

shaking. I'm like, I have hypothermia.

12:36

This sucks. And I'm trying to drink warm

12:38

coffee. But I can't because I'm spilling it

12:40

on myself. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's

12:43

like I got in the shower and turned on hot water.

12:45

And like later in Twitch. Oh my God. Yeah,

12:49

you're supposed to let your body warm up. Yeah. But

12:51

I figured even if the blood sugar, or the blood

12:53

sugar, if the blood left my organs to the skin

12:55

because it was hot, eventually it would make its way

12:57

back. So I just didn't pass out. But I was

12:59

miserable. So guys, cold plunging, maybe to

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excess is not good for you. And

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it's not especially for women, especially for women

13:06

in their fertile years. It's a stressor. So

13:08

only do it, for example, let me give you

13:10

an example. Yesterday I went to the place that does the

13:12

phonic cold plunge. And after my first minute, I was like,

13:14

today my body just can't deal with it. It's too much

13:17

stress. I just got out, didn't do any more rounds. You

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have to also do it, be

13:21

conscious that it is a

13:23

stressor like fasting for women, like

13:25

caffeine, like a stressful job, kids,

13:27

HIIT workouts, all this stuff. Yeah.

13:30

You have to be conscious. It's a stressor. It

13:32

seems that you should be kind to yourself, whether you're a man

13:34

or a woman, and that the stress

13:36

tolerance levels for women and men are not the

13:39

same on average. And they're not the same at

13:41

different times of the month. Yeah.

13:43

So being aware of that, or of your life,

13:45

that's true. But we can andropause

13:47

too. Really? You ever see that movie

13:49

Grumpy Old Men? No. It's

13:53

a comedy about the two old

13:55

guys, but it's a documentary on

13:58

testosterone deprivation. So yeah,

14:00

low testosterone guys are cranky and bitchy

14:03

and all. So the typical

14:05

old men stereotype, that's a

14:07

testosterone thing. So we go through endopause, we just

14:09

don't. So you have to supplement with testosterone? Yeah,

14:12

you just have to start hating your life. Not

14:15

fun. Yeah, but same thing. You know,

14:17

a lot of women in menopause, it's like, look

14:19

what happens when you do bioidentical hormone replacement. It

14:22

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14:24

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give me interesting questions. How much

16:30

of aging is caused by blood

16:32

sugar spikes? I

16:35

don't have an exact number but glycation

16:37

which is the process that your body

16:39

goes through like the chicken in the

16:41

oven going from pink to brown and it cooks it

16:43

glycates. The human body also cooks

16:46

and glycates from the moment it's born and then

16:48

when you're fully cooked you die essentially and if

16:50

you look at the cartilage of babies it's white.

16:53

If you look at the cartilage of a hundred year old person

16:55

it's brown. That cartilage has glycated

16:57

over time and glycation is quite similar

16:59

to aging and the more

17:02

your body has glycates the more you'll

17:04

see signs of aging like on your

17:06

skin with wrinkles cataracts etc and

17:08

then on the inside your organs also

17:11

slowly deteriorates and glycation and glucose they

17:13

sound quite similar. It's because it is

17:15

the glucose that is doing the glycation.

17:19

So when free glucose molecules bump into other

17:21

molecules in your body they damage

17:23

them and those molecules become glycated forever.

17:27

Collagen is a really good example. Glycated collagen

17:29

is going to impact your skin, your hair etc.

17:32

So I don't know what percentage but glycation is a

17:34

big big driver. I don't have

17:36

a percentage either. It was one of the

17:38

seven pillars of aging in my longevity book where

17:40

you have to control this and this is why

17:42

that postprandial spike in blood sugar is such

17:44

a thing. Postprandial

17:47

if you're new to the show it means after

17:49

eating. So let's

17:51

say that we're going to celebrate me

17:53

getting to just a million followers and

17:56

we're going to eat like this triple chocolate fudge.

17:58

We're going to go to like a a French

18:00

baker with real butter because now there's fake oils

18:02

and they're gonna bake this big old Permian gluten-free

18:04

cake. I know that your

18:06

French dough gluten-free is like wrong for you. Yeah

18:09

I need to say that because

18:12

you ate real gluten growing up. So we're gonna

18:14

have a giant cake and we're really really yeah

18:16

and we're just gonna eat it until like our

18:18

chipmunks. Yeah it's gonna be like in my hair

18:21

and everything. Yeah and we're really sick. Yeah so

18:23

what do I do to not get old from

18:25

doing that? A few things you can do. Number

18:28

one don't eat the cake on an empty

18:30

stomach. Have an after-meal. After bacon. After

18:32

what? Bacon. After bacon if you

18:34

want or after a full meal would be better

18:37

with like some proteins and some fats and some

18:39

fiber. I would go like chicken and broccoli

18:41

your favorite. You eat chicken? Yeah. Gross.

18:43

What? For the sake why would you

18:45

do that? Are you poor? I'm

18:47

very poor yeah. I

18:50

could not laugh at my jokes. I

18:53

don't know. I ate it once in a

18:56

while. Yeah okay. But I don't know man

18:58

it's just personal preference. Okay. By the way

19:00

guys the are you poor comment?

19:02

That's a reference to this idea that in

19:05

ancient France and every place

19:07

we've raised animals the

19:10

peasants when they're allowed to have anything the

19:12

first animal they get is a chicken because

19:14

it gives them eggs. Yeah. And chicken meat.

19:16

Yeah and eggs if you're not allergic are

19:19

so good for you. So good for you. And then

19:21

like if you get a little bit more peasant dollars

19:23

then like oh you're allowed to have a pig because

19:25

they can eat everything and then a goat and then

19:27

a sheep and then a cow and as you go

19:29

up each of them is more nutrient dense and more

19:31

nutritious but requires more land in order to do it.

19:34

And I promise you that if chickens were the healthiest

19:36

food then we'd all be

19:38

eating chicken at the highest ranks but chicken

19:40

has that reputation and it has to do

19:43

with the type of fat and type of

19:45

amino acid availability. Interesting. So that was my

19:47

joke about being poor and yes chickens more

19:49

affordable and guys I worked in an auto

19:51

parts warehouse for a long time so this

19:53

isn't like you know one of those things

19:55

but I'm just saying if you can afford

19:57

beef protein it's a superior source than chicken

19:59

protein and It shows the amino acid

20:01

scores and all that. It's just personal taste

20:03

and preference. I love fish and

20:06

eggs and cheese and chicken. And I'll have

20:08

like a steak once in a while, but

20:10

it's not, it's not, for

20:12

my palate, it's not my favorite. Have

20:16

you, have you ever been fat? No.

20:19

You're French and then you guys are fat, it's not fair. No,

20:21

I've never been fat. I've been really unwell. Okay.

20:24

It's just kind of mentally, but. Tell me what happened. I broke my back.

20:27

Oh my God. How'd you do that? You just jumped off

20:29

her waterfall. You know, they always

20:31

tell you not to do that. And then we always do it. And

20:33

then sometimes they were right. I know, no figure. Yeah.

20:35

So broke my back. One of my vertebrae's exploded. Ow.

20:39

Yeah. Ow. So intense surgery. I

20:41

got a lot of metal in my back, but

20:44

I was young. So you know, your

20:46

physical health, you kind of heal fast. Yeah, you do.

20:49

Two months I was walking again, but my mental health went

20:51

crazy. Depression, anxiety, depersonalization,

20:53

which is this feeling of

20:56

being a stranger in your own body. Terrifying.

20:58

Oh my gosh. So I had that

21:00

for 10 years. For 10 years?

21:03

Yeah. Wow.

21:05

And that's what led me to study biochemistry

21:07

because I was studying math at the time.

21:10

And I just wanted to understand what the heck was going on. Can

21:13

I just high five you? Yeah, baby. You did something

21:15

about it. I did, yeah. It's

21:17

always in the same boat, right? Like I'm fat, I'm

21:19

tired, nothing works. I'm just gonna have to go do

21:21

it. Yeah. Right? Oh my God.

21:24

I did not know that part of your story. I'm sure

21:26

you posted about it, but I just started following you yesterday.

21:28

No, it's okay. If you had read my book, you would know. You

21:30

know, I have people do that for me. So

21:34

yeah, I broke my back. Mental

21:36

health is terrible. That's why I went to biochemistry and then

21:39

I worked in genetics, blah, blah, blah. And then I had

21:42

this realization about five years ago that the

21:44

days where my blood sugar was unsteady, my

21:46

mental health was worse. Respect

21:48

for figuring that out. And that opened

21:50

the door for me to finally understanding

21:52

how my lifestyle was impacting my mental health. And that's

21:54

the reason I got into this space because

21:57

I needed to heal myself first.

22:00

And then what I had learned like these hacks

22:02

that I will talk about I found that they

22:04

were just too powerful to not tell people about them

22:07

So there's the eating the cake not

22:09

an empty stomach Okay, but after

22:11

a meal and you're saying some fat. Oh, isn't

22:13

the cake full of fat anyway? Should I just

22:15

be eating protein in a bunch of flavor? Yeah,

22:18

you could I mean fiber is gonna be the most powerful thing

22:20

to eat So you have some psyllium

22:22

and some protein. Yeah, maybe some

22:24

real vegetables gross. Okay, I

22:27

didn't kill so you kill I know you

22:29

love kale I

22:31

love you a bunch of kale. I actually had a

22:33

kale facial this morning. Yeah, that's why

22:35

I have a pimple. Yeah Yeah, I

22:38

know you love kale But you gotta stop talking about

22:40

kale like we get it your favorite foods like we

22:42

get it I just relax it's it's

22:44

an inappropriate relationship with kale. Okay,

22:47

but wait, I'm not entirely tax Is it actually I

22:49

don't I want to know what vegetables that's a real About

22:52

kale. Okay. Any vegetables are fine. Okay, it doesn't

22:54

matter any vegetables and some protein will be great Because

22:56

that way the sugar from the cake is

22:58

not gonna go so quickly into your bloodstream Okay So

23:00

you're gonna slow the rate of release the

23:02

whole point is eat the cake the same

23:05

amount of cake as you normally would But slow

23:07

the release of the glucose and focus make a study.

23:10

That's one Second one is after we

23:12

have the cake. We want to go for a little

23:14

walk or do some exercise Okay, maybe we'll go for

23:16

a run after eating that cake or

23:18

we'll do some run We're talking about you

23:20

like cake with my hair. I'm not gonna run. I'll get cramps If

23:24

you eat as much cake as I'm envisioning I

23:26

mean you never say we don't swim after

23:28

you eat because you get a cramp and drown your mom

23:30

didn't tell you that Yes. Yeah, that's what you said before

23:32

you jumped off the waterfall Okay

23:40

Before eating the cake is having some vinegar and

23:42

water Apple cider any type of vinegar Oh

23:44

interesting it all works. So it's acidic acid

23:46

is the trick Okay, you see the acid

23:48

also it just slows down your alpha amylase enzymes

23:51

again Just slowing down digestion, right? That's

23:53

the whole point. So there were five apple

23:55

cider vinegar pills in that handful I took this

23:58

morning for a really yep Does

24:01

the pills work? There's

24:04

no studies supporting the pills work. So

24:06

don't they contain acetic acid? They do, but

24:08

we don't know if in that form, that dehydrated form, they

24:10

actually work. We just don't know. Okay, so

24:12

like your biochemist, you add water to acetic acid, what

24:14

do you get? Yeah, but we just don't know. And

24:16

you have to take three. And I'm actually making a pill

24:18

that does work. Interesting. So

24:20

when you say we have no evidence, they work.

24:22

We also have no evidence that if you jump

24:25

out of an airplane without a parachute, because there's

24:27

no number one studies. Totally. But how

24:29

could it not work? Because

24:31

perhaps when you dehydrate it, or you do something to

24:33

it, or you process it, like we just don't know.

24:35

Right? Personally, when I've tried the acetic

24:37

acid pills, instead of the regular vinegar, it hasn't worked in my

24:39

blood sugar. That's so interesting. Okay, I believe you.

24:42

I'm just like, why? Yeah, I don't know why.

24:44

I don't know why. And you also have to take three.

24:46

Okay. And to get 800 milligrams, which

24:48

is about what you would get in a tablespoon of vinegar. Right. That's

24:51

a lot of pills. I have a pill that I'm just launching tomorrow,

24:53

actually. Oh, cool. On anti-spike. It actually

24:55

has clinical trials showing that it reduces the

24:57

glucose spike by 40% of foods. Have

25:00

you seen the studies showing

25:03

that the other spike protein

25:05

increases vocation meaningfully? No. There

25:07

are studies. Mm-hmm. That's

25:12

actually probably one of the many things with us. So

25:15

your anti-spike pill, right name? Thanks,

25:17

baby. We're talking blood sugar spikes only regulators, just

25:20

to be really clear. Only blood sugar. There

25:22

is no other kind of spike that even matters. It's the only spike.

25:25

Blood sugar spikes and insulin spikes are interesting too.

25:27

Okay. Let's talk about this. You're one

25:30

of the people who really would understand this. So

25:33

insulin is not blood sugar.

25:36

And in common health discussions, people

25:38

oftentimes confuse the two. Walk

25:41

our listeners through what is insulin, what is

25:44

glucose, and then talk about high and low

25:46

insulin versus high and low glucose and how

25:48

you would feel this. Okay.

25:50

So when you eat a bunch of carbs like that cake, the

25:52

glucose molecules arrive into your bloodstream and they make

25:54

a spike. This glucose spike

25:57

has consequences. Glucation, inflammation,

25:59

mitochondrial. stress, etc. Your body

26:01

knows this glucose spike is not good for you.

26:04

So it calls up your pancreas and it's

26:06

like, yo, we need to

26:08

send out insulin to get that glucose spike

26:10

down. So your pancreas releases insulin, which is

26:12

an amazing hormone, and she grabs

26:14

the excess glucose and stores it

26:17

away in your liver cells, in your muscle cells,

26:19

and your fat cells. Okay? So

26:21

your glucose cells come down

26:23

thanks to insulin being released.

26:25

Now, what's important to

26:28

understand that first

26:30

time I drank coffee, it kept

26:32

me up for two days. Two months

26:34

later, three cups of coffee could not even

26:36

keep me awake anymore. I had become resistant

26:38

to caffeine. Okay, you become habituated

26:41

to something and you need

26:43

more and more of it to get the

26:45

same effect. Your body can also become resistant

26:47

to insulin. But not in the same

26:49

way as coffee, though. Not in the same

26:51

way, but I think it's a very important image. As an

26:54

image, okay, I gotcha. So over time your

26:56

body is going to have to pump out more

26:58

and more insulin to get that same amount

27:00

of glucose into the storage units

27:02

in your body. You will become so

27:04

resistant to insulin. And then, as

27:07

this resistance gets worse, you get

27:09

what's called pre-diabetes and type 2 diabetes as

27:12

your fasting glucose levels increase. So

27:16

one thing that happens if you have high glucose

27:18

levels is that your doctor might tell you, just

27:20

inject insulin to get those levels down. That

27:23

might work short-term, but actually it is

27:25

the excess of insulin that's causing the

27:27

issue. So it would be

27:30

so much better to be able to measure

27:32

insulin levels. You said it's an excess of

27:34

insulin causing the problem? Yeah. But

27:36

isn't it the lack of ability to use insulin

27:39

causing the problem, not the existing excess? Well, the

27:42

excess of insulin creates the resistance and

27:44

then you can no longer use

27:46

it properly. So you think insulin causes

27:48

insulin resistance? Yeah, excess amounts of

27:50

insulin over time in your body. That's what

27:53

creates insulin. We'll have to talk about

27:55

that, okay. There's other things that can create it,

27:57

right? Like specific stuff going on in your body,

27:59

but generally, this is one of the main pathways.

28:01

More and more insulin creates more and more insulin resistance.

28:04

And so when you talk about reversing type 2

28:06

diabetes, for example, people focus on getting your

28:08

glucose levels down, but actually you want to

28:10

get those insulin levels down. That's correct.

28:13

That's the key, right? So glucose

28:15

is actually a proxy for

28:17

insulin, if you will. It would be so much

28:19

better to have an insulin monitor than

28:22

a glucose monitor. Wouldn't that be crazy? It

28:24

would be cool, no? Now,

28:27

Gary Taubes in Good Calories, Bad

28:29

Calories wrote a lot about

28:31

what insulin is doing to us. That's a problem.

28:34

And shout out Gary. When

28:37

I interviewed him very, very early on in

28:39

my show, he introduced me to the person

28:41

who was my

28:43

agent for the Better Baby Book, my very first book. So

28:46

Gary, thanks. And I got

28:48

really into this insulin versus glucose thing because I

28:50

was trying to figure it out myself. At

28:53

the time, I'd already solved my high blood

28:55

sugar issues. Yeah,

28:58

I think that's just another American word

29:00

for diabetic. In the

29:03

sales pipeline. I think this was in 2006, technically, it was

29:05

for diabetes. You were at 117, you said? Yeah,

29:07

117. And this is when

29:09

I'm like 26 or something. And

29:12

I don't

29:14

believe that having high amounts

29:17

of sugar causes or

29:19

even is related to diabetes. I

29:23

think that it's bad fats. Because

29:25

bad fats break cell membranes. You

29:27

can't express insulin receptors through them. So blood

29:29

glucose builds up. The body makes more insulin,

29:31

so you have high insulin. The muscles become

29:34

fatty. They can't uptake glucose anymore. Absolutely, yeah.

29:36

And you get broken cells. And broken cells

29:38

are going to cause all sorts of problems

29:40

that way. And based

29:42

on those ideas, I

29:45

can have carbs. In fact, I have

29:47

200 to 400 grams

29:49

of carbs a day. And probably

29:52

more rice than I do sugar. And

29:55

I don't eat white sugar. But I will have some

29:57

honey or some fruit or whatever. And

30:00

I'm 6.5% body fat. My

30:03

visceral fat is at the very low end

30:05

for an 18-year-old. And again,

30:07

my liver fat's 0.8%. And

30:12

I'm not on a low-carb diet. And I

30:15

don't eat bad fats ever. I haven't for 15 years. Yeah,

30:18

but eating right, and eating fruit, that's not

30:20

the problem. The real issue doesn't

30:23

come so much from the starches, especially if they're not

30:25

refined in the process. The real issue comes from the

30:28

sweets, that not only have a lot of sugar in it, but

30:30

also have bad fats in them. All

30:32

of the processed junk. You could eat rice every

30:34

day of your life and never get diabetes, because

30:36

that's just pure glucose. Even if you ate

30:38

three pounds, right? Yeah, I mean.

30:41

Do I have to use kilos for you or anything? Yes,

30:44

please, convert everything. I mean, listen,

30:46

I don't know exactly how many pounds you'd have to eat, and I

30:48

think that's a bit besides the point. But

30:50

it's not so much about the rice.

30:52

It's more about the donuts, the orange

30:54

juice, the breakfast cereal, the smoothies, the

30:57

desserts, the cookies. That's the issue. Is

31:00

it because of the sugar in them or because of the trans

31:02

fats and canola? I think it's both, honestly. It's the

31:04

sugar that's spiking your glucose, spiking your insulin,

31:06

but it's also the fructose that's in the

31:08

sucrose that's causing VLDLs to be created

31:10

in your liver, and also the bad fats,

31:12

which are causing all sorts of insulin resistance

31:16

because they're making all your muscles and your cells fatty. So

31:19

it's important to understand that I look at

31:21

glucose as a really interesting window through which

31:24

to enter better health, but it's not the

31:26

only thing, right? It's

31:28

not all about glucose. For example, you could add

31:30

15 pounds of butter to

31:33

a meal, and that would lower

31:35

the glucose spike of the meal. But that doesn't

31:37

mean that meal is better for you. For

31:39

it does. Butter's great. You're French. Come on. You're

31:41

violating your country ethos. Come on. OK, fine. Or

31:44

canola oil, right? OK, canola. Now we're on the

31:46

same page. OK, canola oil. Jeez. So

31:49

I think maybe also your audience is probably

31:52

much more educated on this, but I

31:54

try to teach people these very basic,

31:58

important physiological principles. that

32:00

are going to allow them to reverse the diabetes

32:03

and go from drinking orange juice and eating

32:05

granola to having eggs in the morning.

32:07

So I think we're operating maybe on

32:09

a slightly different level of expertise. No,

32:12

I don't think we are actually. I

32:14

think that you're used to, and I'm going to sound a

32:17

little bit weird here, but you used to dumbing down what

32:19

you say. Exactly. And that's

32:21

a really valuable skill. In fact,

32:23

that's why you have to remember my followers. Before

32:26

I ended up on Dr. Oz, I

32:30

went into his office introduction from a friend, and

32:33

he had two medical research people in there, and

32:35

he's like, tell me about collagen. And it was

32:37

like a PhD advice. The amount of diligence that

32:39

goes on behind the scenes was crazy, but I

32:41

know what I'm talking about. So I

32:43

noted out and blah, blah, blah. And he goes, okay, fine, but

32:46

can you tell that to normal people? And I go, oh, you

32:48

don't want me to use doctor speak? So then

32:50

I switched into, and he goes, okay, you can do both. Go on the

32:52

show. You

32:55

actually are plenty smart. I can already just tell from

32:57

our conversations. You know how all this shit works. So

33:00

I want you to flex your brain on the show. So

33:03

you don't have to dumb it down here. And

33:05

some listeners, if this goes over your head, like there's hundreds

33:08

of episodes, listen to Gary Taub. Like there's

33:10

tons of info here for you, but let's

33:12

get to it. Explain it to

33:14

me. Well,

33:16

people when they think about carbs, they think

33:19

like, okay, rice turns to sugar or

33:21

donut turns to sugar. It's not at all the

33:23

case. You have the starches, which only contain glucose.

33:26

Not of course, spikes or glucose in your insulin

33:28

levels. But then the real issue comes from stuff

33:30

that contains sucrose, which is table sugar, because that

33:32

contains half glucose, half sucrose. And then on a

33:35

glucose monitor, if you compare a donut and a

33:37

bowl of rice, you would see the same glucose

33:39

spike, but you're actually missing a whole other part

33:41

of the story. This is

33:43

the thing you guys need to know. Starch

33:46

only makes glucose, glucose you need,

33:49

glucose doesn't glycate your tissues the

33:51

same way fructose does. Yes, exactly.

33:53

And usually when you take a donut, there's also

33:55

a bunch of your favorite bad

33:57

facts. Of course. just

34:00

to compare a donut and a bowl of rice on

34:02

just the glucose monitor, you would think, oh, they're the

34:04

same. Not at all the

34:06

same, which is one of the main limitations

34:09

of wearing a glucose monitor and optimizing your

34:11

whole life around it because it's such a

34:13

small fraction of what's truly happening, right? The

34:15

fructose in that sugar, in

34:18

that donut, is causing much more

34:20

damage to your body. It's glycating things much

34:22

faster. It's making your liver produce bad fats.

34:24

It's just, it's inflaming your tissues. It's not

34:26

good for you, right? So that's a key

34:28

piece of information. I

34:31

have a little story for you. Honey. Late

34:33

90s. I'm probably 250 pounds. And I've

34:37

lost some of the weight. I've learned I can control

34:39

my weight. And I've read all this

34:41

stuff about whatever

34:43

we knew back then. So I

34:46

went out and I bought a bunch

34:48

of fructose because the American Diabetes Association,

34:50

by the way, guys, thank you

34:52

for perpetuating the illness that you say that

34:55

you're treating. I told

34:57

you it's low glycemic. Yeah, it's low glycemic. Agave.

34:59

Yeah. Well, agave is the modern version of that.

35:01

But I literally put fructose in things because it

35:04

wasn't going to raise my blood sugar. Like fructose

35:06

powder? Yeah. And it's the most

35:08

harmful thing you could do because it raises

35:10

triglycerides and it causes

35:12

this advanced tissue aging. And after a couple

35:15

months, I'm like, I don't feel good on

35:17

this. It's gross. And I stopped it. Thank

35:19

God. I didn't even know you could buy

35:21

powdered fructose. Wow. Yeah. And this

35:23

is because, well, blindness to

35:25

the fact that fructose does something and it's

35:28

not what blood sugar does. So

35:30

then later when I got smarter about things, I

35:33

said, well, if I'm going to work out or I

35:35

just I'm really wrecked, or if someone in the family

35:37

is like right on the edge of getting a migraine

35:39

or something, I have a 20

35:41

pound thing of dextrose, which

35:44

is straight up glucose. You can get glucose powder, right?

35:46

And you take that stuff before it, put that in

35:49

your pre-workout, right? And you're going to, you're going to

35:51

kill it. I mean, your, your blood sugar will go

35:53

up, but it won't damage it. Don't

35:55

eat the donut. You don't need the

35:57

actual sweetness before a workout. Is there going to be a

35:59

glucose? because goddess pre-workout donut you can make,

36:02

that would be good. How did you know? I'm

36:05

actually launching it today. An

36:08

exclusivity on your podcast. A little six-pack of

36:10

like, like frosted donuts, just eat

36:12

them and go live. You'd be

36:14

the world's hero if you could do that. You'd think, okay,

36:16

great, I'm just gonna cancel all my other pens and work

36:19

on that. I think it's genius. It

36:22

would probably taste like dog biscuits is the problem. Totally.

36:24

You know another interesting thing when you were a glucose monitor? If

36:26

you add alcohol to a meal, it's gonna lower the

36:28

glucose cycle. Of course it will. Of course it

36:30

will, but like it's quite shocking. Explain why,

36:32

go through the steps. So alcohol,

36:35

okay, so your liver is the organ in

36:38

your body that is responsible for making sure

36:40

your glucose levels stay nice and safe, right?

36:42

And when you drink alcohol, alcohol is a

36:44

poison, it's not good for you, new flash.

36:46

Your liver is gonna be busy dealing with

36:48

that toxin. And so it's no longer gonna

36:50

be able to push out extra glucose into

36:52

your bloodstream to keep your glucose levels nice

36:54

and level. And so on the glucose monitor,

36:56

you might say, hey, if I add three

36:58

glasses of wine or three shots of tequila

37:00

to this bowl of pasta, the glucose spike

37:02

is so much smaller. But that's not a

37:04

good way to reduce your glucose spikes. That's

37:07

a terrible way to reduce your glucose spikes.

37:09

And you'll preferentially burn the alcohol calories before

37:11

all the other ones, which is gonna change

37:13

the slope of the curve, right?

37:15

But then you have to pay for the alcohol, okay? Do

37:17

you drink? No, I don't drink, actually. Not

37:20

even red wine? No. What about like

37:23

baguettes, fresh creamery butter? My point of choice is

37:25

sugar. I don't care about alcohol. It doesn't make

37:27

me feel too good, but I love sugar. So

37:29

I love this. One thing

37:31

that I'm- Do you drink? You

37:34

know, if it's older than me, you're

37:37

all that I make out. You're really very, very old. Yeah, I didn't

37:39

make alcohol that old. So that makes it really easy, yeah. It's

37:43

one of those things where maybe twice a

37:46

year I'll have something. It's

37:49

just, it's not worth it. But what I'm

37:52

finding that's actually really exciting is that all

37:54

of my friends in their, I would

37:57

say, like mid thirties, I have a big group

37:59

in Austin with. And

38:02

either they drink a little bit or they don't drink

38:04

at all. And for me, oh my god, he drank

38:06

all the damn time. The alcohol industry is making

38:08

so much money. Selling you this

38:10

product that quote unquote helps is very important

38:12

in your social life. It's BS. It's

38:15

marketing. It's a poison. You know, you have to be

38:17

conscious about these things and not making it not make

38:19

it automatic. So psychedelic

38:21

mushrooms or wine, what should you take? Mushrooms.

38:24

MDMA or wine, what should you take? MDMA.

38:28

Definitely 31. Because

38:32

you know what I mean. Yeah,

38:35

I'm not a big wine person, alcohol person. I

38:37

used to drink a lot of alcohol. Yeah.

38:40

Margaritas all day. Not all day. But

38:43

where do you live now? I'd be from Paris and New York. OK,

38:45

I guess New York you could be a good margarita.

38:47

You're not going to find those in Paris. OK, cool.

38:52

When you hear Americans talk about the French paradox,

38:55

what does it make you think? It

38:57

makes me think, one, they don't

39:00

realize what's going on in France. More and

39:02

more people are sick. People are getting

39:04

sick. There's a lot of rates of infertility. There

39:06

are a lot of cardiovascular health as a nightmare

39:08

in France. People are getting diabetes. Like it's not

39:11

the paradise that maybe it

39:13

was once seen as. And second, I do

39:15

think it's quite obvious when you go to

39:17

France why we are marginally healthier

39:19

than Americans. We have a much better culture

39:21

around food. We still every day you come

39:23

back from work, you go to the grocery

39:25

store and you buy fresh produce. You go

39:27

to the cheesemonger, you go to the butcher,

39:29

you buy fresh food, you go home and

39:31

you cook it. And you

39:33

spend time eating with your family. And

39:36

it hasn't been replaced by junk

39:39

food or frozen meals. There's still

39:41

a strong culture around actually cooking and

39:43

all of those bad oils. We

39:45

don't really use them. We use butter and olive oil. I

39:48

just read there's 30,000 bakeries

39:51

in Paris. So you're

39:54

getting fresh bread made with real

39:56

grains that mostly don't have glyphosate

39:58

but Monsanto slash fair slash

40:00

AG Farben if you go back to World

40:02

War II. Those

40:05

are they're making inroads to getting

40:07

glyphosate. And if you guys allow

40:09

that in Europe, you look just like America

40:11

in another 25 years, except

40:14

your infertility rates will be higher because there's other

40:16

chemicals involved too. So

40:18

let's hope that doesn't happen. So 30,000 of those things. You

40:22

know, you can't get pastries from the previous

40:24

day. So if it's 2am and you want a pastry, you

40:26

have to wait until 7am. What happens to the

40:28

ones they don't sell? You

40:31

can sell them all. No, I don't know. Actually, good question.

40:33

I mean, I know that the way it would have been

40:36

is kind of like it was on my farm. I would

40:38

feed them to the pigs or the chickens. Right?

40:40

They go back into the food supply. I'm sure maybe

40:42

they give them to people who need food. Maybe. Yeah.

40:44

But it's one of those

40:46

things where in a healthy functioning ecosystem, that's

40:49

what you do. That's one of the reasons

40:51

you have like chickens. They'll eat everything. They're

40:53

carnivores or omnivores. So

40:57

and then you also have a much

40:59

higher intake of saturated fat. And

41:02

in America, especially in the 90s

41:04

and early 2000s, the

41:06

French paradox was all over the news.

41:09

Well, why don't French people get heart

41:11

disease when they eat all that better? It's

41:14

because butter doesn't cause heart disease. But I always laughed

41:16

and in my head after I learned how this stuff

41:18

worked, like it's the American paradox. Why don't Americans just

41:20

eat like French people? Exactly. Like if

41:22

that works. And so because

41:24

it requires cooking time and it requires, you know,

41:27

I think it's a culture culture shift

41:30

that it really requires. Is it a

41:32

culture shift or is it an ingredient shift? We have

41:34

so many weird chemicals that aren't allowed over there. I

41:36

feel like they they hijack our brains. But also people

41:38

in France just don't eat in their cars. So

41:43

it's built. Is that because the cars are so small, they don't have room for

41:45

their elbows? No,

41:47

it's because it's just not a thing. You don't go

41:49

to drive through. You see what I

41:51

mean? I haven't been running so long. I

41:54

used to go to like Christie's name drive through and get a big

41:56

box. That's so good. That's

41:59

like the worst oil. I'm

42:01

just going to say this for the entrepreneurs listening

42:03

to the show. If there was

42:05

a donut shop that would use beef tallow

42:07

and you'd make donuts out of rice flour

42:10

or something gluten-free, I would

42:12

actually eat them. I would come in and I

42:14

would get a whole box

42:16

and I would just rub them on my face.

42:20

So good. So it seriously... If somebody comes to you

42:22

and is like, they're doing that and you invest, you're going to back

42:24

them, right? We're going to have to talk about what

42:26

grains you use. White rice flour, guys. You can do it. I

42:28

make all kinds of stuff with it. But

42:30

a lot of the gluten replacement flours, they

42:33

spike your blood sugar just as much and they contain

42:35

a lot of toxins like oxalates. People don't realize gluten

42:37

is a protein. That's a fair point. So

42:40

actually it does reduce the

42:43

spike of starch. Well, you

42:45

know what else is a protein? Serine

42:48

nerve gas. For sure. But

42:50

maybe different proteins do different things. I'm

42:53

just saying. True, true. True, true, true.

42:55

That's my anti-vegan. That's my anti-vegan. So

42:57

plant-based protein, what's OA? And then I'm like,

42:59

oh, but snake venom. So we just have to

43:01

be conscious of which proteins. Another thing I hate is

43:03

when people say, oh, this is 100%. For

43:06

example, vegan. It's bullshit. Or it's not

43:08

because sugar comes from a plant that it

43:10

is good for you. It's not because something comes

43:12

from a plant that it is good for you. High

43:15

fructose corn syrup is plant-based and vegan. Tobacco.

43:18

Wait a minute. You're telling me you've never smoked. Of course

43:20

I've smoked. But I'm just saying it's not

43:22

good for you and it comes from a plant. Are you sure it's

43:24

not good for you? Yeah,

43:27

I'm pretty sure it's not good for you. Now, I

43:30

don't remember the episode number, but I

43:32

interviewed. Do you have somebody promote cigarettes on

43:34

this show? I call him Dr. nicotine. Okay. He's

43:37

from Vanderbilt University. Wait, nicotine is not the same as... Oh

43:39

my God, I'm talking to a qualified scientist. This isn't

43:42

fair. Yes, you're correct. Tobacco is

43:44

not good for you. But nicotine is

43:46

a neuro something. It's

43:48

a nootropic, but more importantly, and we're talking

43:50

like 5% of what's in a cigarette, and

43:53

it stops Alzheimer's disease. People who

43:56

smoke don't get Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

43:59

Massive reduction, but then they get... one cancer and cardiovascular disease

44:01

like you're going to. So what would you rather die

44:03

from? So what I do is

44:05

I do one to three milligrams of nicotine on

44:07

a regular basis. How do you ingest it?

44:10

I spray it under my tongue. No way. If

44:12

you go to France or anywhere

44:14

in Europe or Mexico or Canada, you can buy a spray. That's

44:16

one milligram. It goes into your tongue. Do you want to try

44:18

it? Yeah, kind of. I'm going to grab, I think it'll be

44:21

awesome. Okay. Give me one second. I'm going to get this. Okay.

44:24

Here's how it works. I

44:27

think I'm going to figure it out. Okay. Well, actually

44:29

it's here. Try it. Okay. It's not

44:31

easy. You think everyone

44:33

gets confused. They

44:40

don't want to help. I've

44:43

just read this in hundreds of people's mouth at burning

44:45

on. So there's a walk thing. You pick it up

44:47

and then you spray it like this. Okay.

44:50

Just keep it close. Don't breathe in. Okay.

44:55

There you go. And you can like, don't swallow.

44:57

You're just like, enclose your mouth and let it under your tongue.

45:00

It's minty. You

45:03

guys, you can't buy this in the U

45:06

S Lucy gum in the U S is

45:08

the cleanest source. One milligram. How

45:11

many milligrams are in a cigarette? Oh,

45:14

wow. It can actually be between 12 and 20. It's

45:18

pretty amazing. Doesn't taste so good. I

45:21

feel amazing now. Does it hit you? Whoa,

45:27

bro. Can you feel

45:29

it? Oh, when it hits you, I'm going to laugh because you'll be

45:31

like, I did this on the Almost

45:33

30 podcast. Oh, I love them. They're so

45:35

cool. And I sprayed them both. And

45:37

one of them's like, I feel

45:40

like I'm rolling now. Yeah. Cause it's

45:42

a pretty potent utropic and it's stacked

45:44

really well with psychedelics. But

45:46

as a longevity compound, think

45:48

about niacin or nicotinic

45:50

acid. And then you

45:53

look at niacinamide, which goes to

45:55

nicotinamine, ribocite or NR, which goes

45:57

to NMN, which goes to NAD.

46:00

So this affects the nicotinic acid receptors in

46:02

the brain. Very cool. Did you become habituated

46:04

to it? Do you need more and more? You

46:06

don't need more and more. But if

46:08

you use more and more because it's

46:10

so damn good, then it will affect the eye

46:13

count. So I did

46:15

one milligram a day for five years. Wow.

46:18

So you just have to be disciplined. But that's why

46:20

you're so smart. I take a lot

46:22

of new topics. But then I also

46:26

maybe wasn't so smart. I'm like, I love this stuff. Okay.

46:30

Imagine you have this decision to make. Either you keep taking

46:32

your 200 pills a day or... Okay.

46:35

So you have to choose between exercise and those pills for

46:37

the rest of your life. Which one do you choose? I

46:42

think I would choose the pills. Really? Exercise

46:44

takes a lot of time. I'm busy.

46:47

Okay. All right. And

46:49

now... It's incredible for your health. You

46:51

don't need to exercise to get the benefits of exercise. Now

46:54

people are going to be really pissed about that, especially like

46:56

all the weightlifter rows.

46:59

But it makes me feel so good to exercise. I love exercising. Yeah.

47:02

I've been working on this bicep for like 18 months. Nice. Pretty

47:04

good, huh? Can I throw some

47:07

electrodes on there? I don't

47:09

like the electric stuff. Yeah, but we could add an inch to your bicep

47:11

right now. No, I don't want to do that. I don't

47:13

need more bicep. I'm pretty happy with it. So look at

47:15

the triceps. You do have a tricep. Okay. Michelle

47:17

Obama arms. I've been working on

47:20

these babies. Is that like pure glucose that did

47:22

that? No, it's great this time. How

47:24

much protein do you eat per day? I try to get

47:27

a lot. I try to do one gram per pound of body

47:29

weight. Really? But I don't get that much.

47:31

So how many grams is that? I'm 70 kilos. So

47:33

that's 150 pounds. I

47:35

was trying to ask that question because you don't supposed to ever

47:37

ask a woman how much she weighs and you're like, I have

47:40

no problem with that. I appreciate that. I have

47:42

no problem with that because people need to be open about it.

47:44

I love it that you don't have a problem with that. I

47:46

have no problem with that. It's like asking how tall I am. I'm six feet.

47:49

I'm taller than you. Are you six feet? Yeah.

47:52

You're not taller than me. You're six four. But this is going

47:54

to sound really funny. I have no idea

47:56

how tall you are. Because when you're the

47:58

tallest person almost always, every Everyone is down. If

48:01

you were five, four or six feet, I wouldn't see

48:03

the difference. Like it wouldn't register with me unless you

48:06

were wearing heels that put you as tall as me and then I'd be like,

48:08

Oh my God, I'm looking, I love them. I used to do that.

48:10

I used to wear heels all the time. Good for you. Yeah.

48:14

When I first arrived in Silicon Valley, I was like

48:16

living the Silicon Valley dreams. I was on my bike,

48:18

taking the Cal train, going to mountains view and I

48:20

was wearing heels every day. Oh my

48:22

God. I thought I was the coolest person. Did we

48:24

go to Red Rock Coffee Mountain View? All the

48:26

time. I used to test out the very early formulas

48:28

for Bulletproof at Red Rock. Amazing. Yeah. So

48:31

what cities do you live in in the Bay Area? I

48:33

was in San Francisco. San Francisco. Okay.

48:36

But I was working at 20th Avenue and they

48:38

were in Mountain View. Okay. Five

48:41

years. I was there yesterday. No way. On

48:43

the Mind Pump podcast. What's Mind Pump? It's

48:45

apparently a really big show. These are guys

48:47

from the fitness industry. It was really fun

48:49

and they're like OG Silicon Valley people. So

48:53

let's see. I interviewed Sal who's like one

48:55

of the big fitness leader guys. You should

48:57

be on the show on Trigestone. And

49:00

it was neat though because I'm like, oh my God,

49:03

I know the three companies that were in that building

49:05

before it was whatever it is now. I feel like

49:07

I have roots there. Nice. And

49:09

it's funny at Red Rock. We were talking about that yesterday on the show too.

49:11

I remember when they have the entrance and then the side

49:13

door to exit on the left. And

49:16

I would sit in the little tables. You go upstairs where

49:18

all the nerds are working? No, because the

49:20

office was really close by. So you go get a coffee and

49:22

go back to the office. Of course. Wow.

49:25

Totally good times. What did you learn at 20th Avenue? I learned

49:28

everything. I learned how you make a product, how

49:30

you build software, how you

49:32

A-B test stuff, how you give

49:35

your customers what they want, and then everything. So

49:38

guys, this is what I

49:40

wanted you to see. She's freaking smart. Right?

49:43

Not just pretty. I can think. So

49:45

what makes you a goddess? This is my aura. I'm trying to

49:47

channel Bobby. I'll tell you. You can't

49:49

do it. You have to be really deaf now. I'm trying to

49:52

be really deaf. I'm trying to be really smart. I'm trying to

49:54

be smart. I'm trying to be smart. I'm trying to be smart.

49:57

I'm trying, but you're funny. I really want her to interview you. I

50:00

want her to be like so... She'd be so fun, wouldn't she? I

50:02

think I gave it back to her. She

50:04

would be like so self-proclaimed

50:08

glucose. Got it. Exclaimed.

50:12

Yeah. And whatever you say, it's going to be wrong.

50:15

I know. I love it. It's an art. Okay. I'm a fan of

50:17

it that way. All right. Do

50:19

you have any other serious questions for me, or are we just going to talk

50:23

about random things? There's a podcast.

50:26

It's a very specific type of podcast. Did you think this

50:28

was like a news show or some kind of science education

50:30

for a company? I thought it would be like a serious

50:32

podcast, or we'd talk about serious. This is

50:35

the human upgrade. If you're serious about upgrading

50:37

yourself, you have to laugh. How many

50:39

episodes have you done in the language? 400

50:42

million downloads. What was your favorite? Apart from

50:44

this? Obviously. It's

50:49

really hard. One

50:51

of them that stood out

50:53

was Daniel P. Brown

50:55

from Harvard University. You heard of the guy?

50:58

He's one of the fathers

51:00

of attachment theory. Oh, amazing. He

51:02

studied hypnotism clinically at Harvard for

51:05

40 years. And

51:08

he's near the end of his career, almost

51:11

80, and has neurodegenerative

51:13

things starting. So he

51:17

translates 13th century Sanskrit meditation

51:19

books into English for people.

51:23

And I just asked him, hey, was

51:26

this MKUltra? Stuff

51:28

real? And he goes, Dave,

51:31

I spent 100 hours with Sirhan

51:33

Sirhan. This is the guy who

51:35

killed one of the Kennedys. And

51:38

he said, as an expert in

51:40

hypnotherapy, the most credentialed expert on

51:42

the planet with 100% certainty,

51:44

he was programmed to kill. And

51:48

he said, we know how he was programmed. We know who

51:50

programmed. We know when it was. We know where it was.

51:54

And I'm like, on my little podcast, it's not

51:56

that little, it's not that big. I'm like, this

51:59

is crazy. from a direct witness of

52:01

like one of the biggest conspiracies ever

52:04

talked about. And I go,

52:06

they should do a documentary on you. He goes, Oh,

52:08

they did. And then they deleted my

52:10

eight minute segment and audited my taxes for seven years.

52:14

So okay, that was an

52:16

epic podcast because oh my

52:18

god, like this guy's just a modern master. But

52:21

then you've got like Robert Greene laws of powers is

52:23

work changed my life. And then

52:25

Eric Kandel Nobel

52:27

prize winner for

52:30

discovering neuroplasticity is 94 in

52:32

New York City. You

52:34

shouldn't meet him. And he's still got a lab doing

52:36

genetics and like running around like like the happiness of

52:38

a child. I want to do that one. I'm 80.

52:41

Yeah. I

52:43

think it was about 90. That's great. And

52:45

it was 94. Right. And then

52:47

Stan Groff, the guy who used LSD on his

52:49

patients legally in the fifties and

52:52

created really transpersonal psychology. So

52:56

it's sometimes I'm just how do I get

52:58

to be so lucky to talk to these smart people who

53:01

are doing stuff, including you. And

53:04

I mean that really because talking

53:07

about science in a way that people understand so

53:09

that we understand what's being done

53:11

to us. I don't like the

53:14

passive voice in that sense, but what some bad people

53:16

and we all maybe know who they are. Maybe we

53:18

don't, but someone's doing bad things. And

53:21

if people know what you're teaching them, I think

53:23

you're making a really big difference. Thank you. And

53:25

that's what I care the most about giving people their agency,

53:28

their freedom, their education back. And that's the sort of, you

53:30

know, individual level work. We also obviously

53:32

need way more regulation in the food industry,

53:34

but both things. Do we

53:37

need more regulation? No, we need to not

53:39

be able to advertise junk food to kids on TV. We

53:41

need to not put countries in cereal boxes. We

53:44

need to not be able to put no added sugars on a

53:46

product that has 50 grams of sugar per serving. Yeah,

53:48

we do need more regulation. It feels like when you

53:50

ask for regulation, you get what America has.

53:54

You think? Well, the regulators actually

53:56

not only allowed this, they mandated it.

53:59

Cheerios. heart healthy.

54:01

Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy.

54:03

But this is what happens if you give people

54:05

the power of regulation. What I want is education

54:08

and recommendations from my government that I'm free to

54:10

ignore. Like in France right

54:12

now, shout out to the French protesters and farmers.

54:15

Whatever is in your DNA, you guys are the

54:17

best protesters on the planet. I am

54:19

so inspired when I see just like, like, full

54:21

on manure blowers just shooting it all

54:23

over, hopefully the politicians themselves, but certainly

54:25

over their residences and all, like

54:27

keep burning tires and whatever you got to do,

54:29

like farmer rights and all that. So

54:32

I'm always inspired when I see French. Do you go to

54:34

France a lot? I

54:36

can't say a lot, but I really enjoy

54:38

going to France mostly because I'm going to

54:40

say this, my kids speak French fluently. I

54:43

don't. So I

54:45

don't, I can't hear the sounds of French, like

54:48

my auditory processing from being, you

54:50

know, I was autistic, like I had Asperger's

54:52

syndrome. So my auditory processing is a bit

54:55

weird. French and Swedish just sound like, I

54:57

was in an Uber yesterday and I was speaking French on

54:59

the phone. He's like, are you Swedish? Swedish? No, I'm French.

55:01

What? Really? I could hear that your accent could

55:04

be a little bit. Maybe it's the accent. Yeah,

55:06

it could be that. Of

55:08

course, because it's your native language, right? So

55:10

it's so, it's so interesting. So

55:12

anytime I go there, I can eat a croissant or

55:15

two and I take gluten enzymes. And

55:17

there's no glyphosate. And it's a different species

55:19

of wheat. And like, I

55:22

kind of have a generally you can't eat gluten here in

55:24

the US. You know, I tried it

55:26

this, I'm going to talk about this, maybe

55:29

a month ago. I'm at a beautiful

55:31

restaurant in Austin, they have sourdough and it's with

55:34

like mushrooms and stuff. So I'm

55:36

like, I don't have two bites of sourdough. And

55:39

the next day, like pimples

55:41

everywhere. That's wrecked. Because

55:43

it sucks. But last time I was

55:45

in France, you're fine. Yeah, you know,

55:47

I'll eat, I'll eat three croissants. Like,

55:50

don't even stop me. Yeah. And but

55:52

when I do it, I'm like, do you have more butter? And

55:54

they're looking like these Americans are gross. And I'm just

55:56

like putting open the croissants with some

55:58

ham inside, you know. I just

56:01

put butter like like four big things of butter and

56:03

they're just because I know it's from my blood blue

56:06

Is that a bad idea or a good idea? It's

56:10

a better idea than putting a bunch of Nutella in

56:12

your croissants, okay, but it's all

56:14

relative It's all relative. I don't think you

56:16

need to put more butter in a croissant. I get it. I

56:18

get it I get it depends on the intention and

56:20

what you would do otherwise. I would eat

56:22

butter anyway Okay,

56:25

I have a question would you? Okay

56:28

Tab of butter Unsalted on a plate like the big

56:30

ones not the same ones. Would you be able to

56:32

eat that with the fork in a knife? How

56:35

much sitting I can eat

56:37

half It would be

56:40

hard to digest a whole stick of butter like give me like

56:42

the Kerry gold double six or I can do half of one

56:44

of those I Remember I

56:46

was at South by Southwest a while ago and

56:48

I was just getting the bulletproof thing

56:50

going and I was starving And there's no good

56:53

food there so I bought a stick

56:55

of butter at a local store and I was just

56:57

eating it and someone like a someone was interviewing me

56:59

and I was just taking bites of it and And

57:02

they were just horrified. I'm like, I

57:05

I'm in cotasas right now. I need food But

57:08

what I found is eating butter does

57:10

something entirely different than blending butter into

57:12

a sauce or blending it into coffee

57:15

or tea or whatever And

57:17

that's due with the bid and water chemistry

57:20

And it's like why should coffee work

57:22

if you blend it for 20 seconds but you can't

57:24

eat the butter and drink the coffee and It

57:26

turns out there's a whole reason and in

57:29

fact, it might be interesting for you and

57:31

for listeners I think about what's it called? Not

57:33

also that the thing that happens to me Have

57:36

you heard of exclusions on water? Okay,

57:41

so there's a guy from University of

57:44

Washington a researcher who's also been doing

57:46

this for decades Gerald Pollack's

57:48

his name and He's

57:50

doing research on water in cells and

57:52

he identified as a well-known book called

57:54

the fourth phase of water Where

57:57

when you put water up against a lipid

57:59

membrane it changes changes the viscosity of the water

58:01

to make it more viscous. And it's not absorbing the fat.

58:03

And you can see it on a microscope. This

58:05

is not fanciful quantum water, although that might work

58:08

also. But

58:11

okay, it's real. And he says for

58:13

you to make heat, you

58:15

make electricity, or for you to

58:17

fold a protein in a cell, you have to have

58:19

this kind of water inside the cell. So

58:22

what our bodies do is we drink

58:24

water, and then we hold the

58:26

water up against our cell membranes. We

58:28

make 1200 nanometer light out of heat. And

58:31

then that transforms the water into, from

58:33

bulk water into exclusion zone water. And

58:36

then we can use it to make energy. What

58:39

do you think of the hydrogen rich water? That's all the

58:41

rage you say. Is that a legit thing? It's legit.

58:44

I interviewed Tyler Barron,

58:46

I believe is his last name, on the

58:48

show probably six years ago about that. And

58:50

I've had hydrogen makers. My

58:53

buddy TK makes life force water now, which

58:55

is repackaged. It's actually what I'm using in

58:57

upgrade labs. The reason hydrogen

58:59

matters though, is it turns

59:01

off peroxynitrite in cells, but leaves

59:03

the other oxidants that are stimulants

59:06

for mitochondrial growth. So

59:08

if you were to eat like that crazy cake, you should

59:10

have some hydrogen water with it. We have to eat that

59:12

cake by the way. I'm super up

59:14

for that cake. All right, we just have

59:16

to find something to get. Yeah, right. And

59:18

no almonds either, stupid oxalates. And

59:21

no kale. We'd

59:23

have one piece of kale on top. I kind

59:25

of like throw away the little decoration on the

59:27

top is throw the kale against the wall. Nice,

59:29

love it. I really want

59:31

cake now. You can eat the kale just for the fiber.

59:33

Okay, thanks. All right, yeah, I'll save it for

59:36

you. Appreciate it.

59:38

So this water thing, and

59:40

it really affects the metabolism. And the

59:42

reason that the

59:44

Tibetans make yak better tea, I was so

59:46

kind of tortured when I

59:48

went to remote parts of Tibet and I went

59:51

to Mount Kailash, and I

59:53

was feeling really bad because I hadn't

59:55

fixed my metabolism all the way and lost a lot of the weight. And

59:58

I drank yak better tea at high elevation. good.

1:00:01

And I watched this little

1:00:03

Tibetan woman, they walk like a quarter mile,

1:00:05

break ice on a river, get water,

1:00:07

bring it back, heated up over yak dung

1:00:09

to make tea. And instead of

1:00:11

just drinking the damn tea and eating some butter, like

1:00:14

same people, they put the butter in the butter churn,

1:00:16

pour the boiling water in and the lady sits there

1:00:18

for like 10 minutes, like mixing it by hand, to

1:00:20

turn, to turn, to turn. And why

1:00:22

are they doing that? And then you drink it. Because

1:00:25

it works. They're making the tea into exclusions

1:00:27

on water, like fruit juice would be incredible.

1:00:29

And when they drink it, they can make

1:00:31

body heat right away because they don't have

1:00:33

enough food. Wow. And you see these little

1:00:35

guys half my size carry three times as

1:00:37

much as me wearing t shirts and it's

1:00:39

10 degrees below zero. And

1:00:42

all the eaters a little bowl of barley

1:00:44

and yak butter tea, like it's amazing

1:00:46

when science starts uncover some

1:00:49

cultural traditions and why they actually work.

1:00:51

I think it's like we made humans

1:00:54

created boats before they understood how boats work.

1:00:56

And we've done so much stuff before anything that

1:00:58

works. We even fire for sure. For

1:01:00

sure. Everything really, do you think we know how

1:01:02

fire works? Fire

1:01:08

is actually like

1:01:10

birds. They're not real. Fire is not real. I

1:01:13

don't know if you knew that. It's just a lack

1:01:15

of cold, right? Yeah. Yeah, very scientific.

1:01:18

The whole universe is actually on fire

1:01:21

and it's coldness that allows life. Exactly. Exactly.

1:01:23

You got it. You went to the same

1:01:25

conspiracy school I did. Tell

1:01:28

me about your 2700 person stuff. It's

1:01:30

actually really cool. Thank you. My second book,

1:01:33

the first book 10 hacks. That's the one that

1:01:35

was not in your time. So yes, I know it's really

1:01:37

embarrassing. But the second book was off time. So

1:01:41

second book for core hacks, savory

1:01:43

breakfast, vinegar, veggie starter and

1:01:45

movements after eating. And all

1:01:47

of these are based on lots of studies have been

1:01:49

done. They totally work. These are great recommendations.

1:01:51

They're amazing hacks. They really, really work. But

1:01:54

I also wanted to run my own little

1:01:56

experiment. So it's not a placebo controlled double

1:01:58

blind randomized control file would just talking

1:02:00

about self-reported data from these 3,000

1:02:02

people that I recruited off Instagram

1:02:05

to go through the four-week method and tell me how

1:02:07

they were doing. So you add these four hacks and

1:02:09

you don't change anything else about your life. You

1:02:11

eat all the stuff you usually eat, you drink all the stuff

1:02:13

you usually drink, you just add the four hacks, savory

1:02:16

breakfast, vinegar, veggies, and walking.

1:02:19

And after the four weeks the results were incredible. We

1:02:21

see 90% of people have more energy

1:02:23

and have fewer cravings, 67% of people sleep better, 40%

1:02:25

of people

1:02:27

with diabetes start putting the diabetes into

1:02:29

remission. I mean stats that are, you

1:02:31

know, pharma level stats just by adding

1:02:34

these four hacks in and doing nothing

1:02:36

else. I would like to believe you but

1:02:38

did you do a double blind placebo controlled study?

1:02:41

Why not? Are you not a real scientist? I

1:02:44

didn't have $10 million.

1:02:46

I'm so I'm so teasing you because

1:02:48

even if you had $10 million, how would you

1:02:50

double blind placebo control for stuff people know? You

1:02:52

could do vinegar. You could do

1:02:54

fake vinegar. It would be hard to do a

1:02:57

savory breakfast if you were controlled. But what we

1:02:59

could have done was test the

1:03:01

bat versus four weeks of government recommendation

1:03:03

for lowering glucose levels. For example, that

1:03:05

would have been really really cool.

1:03:07

That would have been super cool. So

1:03:10

that's the second book. That's the Gugo's Goddess Method. I

1:03:12

like that and that's a relatively large sample size. Yeah,

1:03:16

but again it's just an experiment. It

1:03:18

was not a study, you know, per se. Right.

1:03:21

And I

1:03:23

did something similar to test butter

1:03:25

in green logo coffee that's

1:03:27

not mold tested versus

1:03:29

molds tested coffee with

1:03:32

or without butter and on 607 university

1:03:34

validated cognitive performance things. Butter in coffee,

1:03:37

moldy or not, improves

1:03:39

cognition and if it's

1:03:41

mold-free coffee it worked even better. So

1:03:43

again, not double blind because you can taste bad

1:03:46

coffee versus good coffee and you

1:03:48

can't have butter and coffee and if you put like canola

1:03:50

oil yeah margarine and coffee it's

1:03:52

like it's not. I think butter

1:03:54

and coffee from back in the day. Did

1:03:56

you really? Yeah absolutely. I'm honored. I like a

1:03:59

big... Or so I like.

1:04:01

created equally under his as. I would be

1:04:03

nothing without you. Out of nothing. With

1:04:05

that you somehow you invented me. I.

1:04:07

Actually think I and analysts are years. And

1:04:09

he some. Your. Tenant got asked. For.

1:04:12

I'm in of my own universe but with mouse

1:04:14

make you gotta be a goddess of your own

1:04:16

universe. Does your universe like

1:04:18

made with candy canes? Answer. To

1:04:20

that. Has your cats? Can.

1:04:24

You know about toxoplasma? I said

1:04:26

i'm. So. You have it. I.

1:04:28

Don't know. As a eldest I said the

1:04:30

other is increases risk taking people on I.

1:04:33

Write. I'm I'm prefer eating. At.

1:04:35

a crazy cat lady hang Israel? I

1:04:37

think what I'm Lindy I'll end up with like. Twenty

1:04:39

Five Cat. I'll be so happy

1:04:42

for him and a programming about how. Little they

1:04:44

they take over your brain. So. Do you

1:04:46

know many times when I'm make fun of cats

1:04:48

and end of August? but but just rather have

1:04:50

a sense of humor like oh people in one

1:04:53

of gusto on T V lot. Of

1:04:56

October ringtone a prisoner Sigma

1:04:58

Cat. Now.

1:05:00

At the people get really mad about this and

1:05:03

whether it. But. If if I say about

1:05:05

unlike up and I actually do my cats but I

1:05:07

wouldn't wanna live with one because of toxoplasma, ss and

1:05:09

stuff. And get

1:05:11

mad your that's not like have no like. for example,

1:05:13

I don't like you. You don't get that. I'm a

1:05:15

i'm a hip cat. Because

1:05:19

I like in the fifties these languages

1:05:21

so. Ah but some

1:05:23

people will on fallen if you say anything bad

1:05:26

luck as those other people's hearts of as noses

1:05:28

I'm advocating like i'm sorry guys like you need

1:05:30

to get treated guy. Dead people and follow

1:05:32

uses his and in of our of northern.

1:05:34

Not surprised. And it's like I'm saying means of about

1:05:36

how to say at all. I got. It. But I

1:05:38

do like as I just want him in my heart that.

1:05:41

Rise In Not obsessive that? yeah,

1:05:43

that's so fine. And you know there

1:05:45

was really caught in a dog. Know if

1:05:48

you die in your home the dog will

1:05:50

sit next your body and starved to death

1:05:52

protecting the towel Eve and ill your eyeballs.

1:05:54

Mercy Yeah they do that. Yeah.

1:05:56

So smart. Decide cats and that's. Because.

1:05:58

I suppose. my eyes and. I don't

1:06:01

know actually. Have you ever eaten an eyeball?

1:06:03

No, have you? Yeah. You ever go

1:06:05

to a sushi restaurant? I eat the

1:06:08

eggs. You can get like fish eyes. Big old

1:06:10

round ones. They're like a white marble. No, I'm

1:06:12

interested. Basically

1:06:15

eating like you with 200 pills, butter

1:06:18

and fish eyeballs. That's

1:06:20

dinner with Dave. I'll do fish eggs, but you have

1:06:22

to cover it with a giant two pound rib eye

1:06:25

and then I'm down. Okay. Okay. Alright.

1:06:27

Fascinating. Back

1:06:29

to your study. But

1:06:32

this is close to show, right? This experiment. Yeah. If

1:06:35

you have any issues you want to fix, if you

1:06:37

could feel better than you currently do, like adding these

1:06:39

four hacks costs nothing. It's completely free. It's super easy.

1:06:41

Anybody can do it and you can start feeling much

1:06:43

better. And this is the stuff that I started implementing

1:06:45

in my own life that helps me so much. And

1:06:47

I think this should be taught in schools. I think we're

1:06:49

operating at the same level as brush

1:06:52

your teeth, wear sunscreen, drink water,

1:06:54

don't eat sugar

1:06:56

for breakfast. That's the level at

1:06:58

which I hope that my

1:07:00

work operates. And I hope I become completely

1:07:02

useless and completely irrelevant because this stuff is

1:07:05

so obvious. Like imagine if I had started

1:07:07

an Instagram account that was all about why

1:07:09

you should brush your teeth. Nobody

1:07:12

would care. Yeah. Right. And I want

1:07:14

this information to become so obvious that people

1:07:17

stop caring about me. Good for you. I want to

1:07:19

become pretty relevant. That's the objective. The

1:07:22

goal for everyone I know who genuinely is

1:07:24

in the health influence again, because it matters,

1:07:26

not because they're just trying to make a

1:07:28

quick buck. It's that if

1:07:31

we had the manual for how to run your body

1:07:33

the right way, we don't need to be doing this.

1:07:35

There's lots of other things I'd like to do. This

1:07:37

just feels like the most important work I can be

1:07:39

doing now, or at least some of it. And same

1:07:42

for you. The benefits

1:07:45

you get from these four steps

1:07:47

are so dramatic, even in the

1:07:49

world of longevity. Absolutely. Or let's

1:07:51

talk fertility. What

1:07:53

do you know about glucose and fertility? Well,

1:07:58

if you're on a glucose roller coaster, Spike,

1:08:01

dip, spike, dip, your hormonal system cannot function

1:08:03

properly. Excess insulin in

1:08:05

the body causes ovaries in the

1:08:07

female body to produce more testosterone.

1:08:10

You can end up in a situation where you have too

1:08:12

much testosterone in a female body. This

1:08:14

is often called PCOS. You

1:08:17

start getting symptoms like balding on the

1:08:19

head, hair growth on the face, missed

1:08:22

periods, sick ovaries, etc. What's

1:08:24

usually done when you have PCOS or these symptoms? You're

1:08:26

given the birth control pill. Why? Because

1:08:29

the pill contains a freaking female hormone. Things

1:08:32

are balanced back up. Now you're equal. Symptoms

1:08:34

go away. You're not solving the underlying issue at

1:08:36

all. So many women who

1:08:39

get off the pill because they are trying to get pregnant

1:08:41

and they're like, dude, I'm not ovulating.

1:08:43

What's going on? Because you have PCOS

1:08:45

underlying too much testosterone. You have to

1:08:47

fix it. The first place to book is

1:08:50

insulin resistance and food. It is not

1:08:52

the only reason, but about 60 to

1:08:54

70% of PCOS cases go

1:08:56

hand in hand with insulin resistance. If you

1:08:58

get the insulin resistance down, you're going to

1:09:01

help your hormones function better. And it also

1:09:03

goes for menopause symptoms. During

1:09:05

the menopause, if you have super irregular blood sugar,

1:09:08

we see in studies higher rates of insomnia,

1:09:10

hot sashes, etc. Zucos

1:09:12

levels is the foundation of a

1:09:14

healthy body. You cannot be healthy if you're going

1:09:16

like this all day or if you're fasting Zucos.

1:09:22

The mother of my children had PCOS

1:09:24

and was infertile. Carolyn's a trained medical

1:09:27

doctor. I

1:09:29

ended up putting together the program for the Better Baby

1:09:31

book with her. I did all the shopping, all the

1:09:33

cooking, all like you would do in France. You went

1:09:36

to the farmer's market all the time. We

1:09:38

had two kids. And to this

1:09:41

day, she runs a fertility coaching practice with just

1:09:43

a small number of clients. But

1:09:45

getting rid of the insulin resistance was a major part of

1:09:47

it. A lot of that was getting

1:09:49

rid of the bad fats and she was doing soy milk. So

1:09:53

we had to get rid of the soy milk which has its own estrogen.

1:09:56

And then it seems like there's also a fungal component. So

1:09:58

much of the time there's... or toxic

1:10:01

mold that's behind PCOS, which

1:10:04

also causes insulin resistance. So

1:10:07

getting those things down for people who have PCOS, and

1:10:09

it's all over the place, right?

1:10:12

The rates are growing up like crazy. I think it's 1 in 16,000.

1:10:16

What do you think about the birth control pill? I

1:10:20

mean, I think it depends, right? If

1:10:22

it's used like this to mask symptoms, I don't think it's

1:10:24

a solution, because it's not doing anything

1:10:26

to help the end-of-the-line issue. But I

1:10:29

don't have any opinions or judgments on whether somebody takes

1:10:31

it. I don't have

1:10:33

any judgment. I think birth control is a

1:10:35

basic human right. I will

1:10:37

say, though, that the birth control pills that contain

1:10:41

chemicals or hormones are a crime against

1:10:43

women. They are so bad

1:10:45

for your health, and they don't

1:10:48

tell you when they give them to you. Like, oh, here,

1:10:50

just have these. It'll solve your PMS or whatever. I'm looking

1:10:52

for acne, right? Everything. Oh,

1:10:54

you have a problem here. Take the pill. But I think that's

1:10:56

changing now. People are realizing it's not at all a good

1:10:59

move. Yeah, it's maybe,

1:11:02

if you're 30 or something, the number

1:11:04

of women who are in the pill at some time in their

1:11:06

life in the US in a way is 85%. And

1:11:10

when you're 14, they give you this. Oh,

1:11:12

you have pimples here. And it

1:11:14

affects your ability to see the world. It affects

1:11:16

everyone around you, too. I

1:11:18

know. They're so important. Yeah. Even

1:11:21

for blood sugar regulation. Absolutely. Are

1:11:24

you talking about estrogen levels or testosterone levels and what

1:11:26

they do to glucose? No. I

1:11:31

don't either. What I do know is that the week before your

1:11:33

period, your fluctuating hormones will

1:11:35

create a bigger glucose spike in your

1:11:37

body for the same food. So,

1:11:40

if you have a cake, a week after period

1:11:42

spike, but a week before period,

1:11:44

bigger spike than food, right?

1:11:47

But the hormonal fluctuations, just for

1:11:49

estrogen fluctuations, will impact

1:11:51

your glucose metabolism. And

1:11:53

that's the problem, because when you have a big

1:11:56

spike before your period, then you have a big

1:11:58

crash in cravings, right? A crash in glucose levels.

1:12:00

activates the craving center in your brain. So

1:12:02

all those cravings that you have before you're about

1:12:04

to get your period, it's not the only cause.

1:12:06

One of the causes can be being on this

1:12:08

glucose roller coaster all day. So use the hacks

1:12:10

even more if you're prone to

1:12:12

PMS cravings. It's

1:12:15

interesting, there's a couple of friends I've

1:12:17

been, like I wrote four words for

1:12:19

their books and things. Aggie and Melanie

1:12:21

Avalon, I've written books on biohacking or

1:12:23

intermittent fasting for women in

1:12:25

particular. And I have a chapter of all

1:12:28

the studies for women in

1:12:30

fastest way, I'd like to call out, but sometimes

1:12:32

there just aren't studies. A lot of

1:12:34

studies have been done on men. I think

1:12:36

that you could really have

1:12:39

a good leadership position, might be a

1:12:41

book about that, about literally just how

1:12:45

to control your blood sugar at different parts of

1:12:47

your cycle. It's like, it's a thing that's unique

1:12:49

for biohacking in women versus men. That's true, however,

1:12:51

in my first book, People's Revolution, the 10 hacks,

1:12:53

they apply across the board to everybody. So that's

1:12:56

the place to start. I'm the same

1:12:58

way, biohacking's for everyone. But

1:13:00

the nuances that are only

1:13:03

applied to women, and there's different nuances for men too, like

1:13:05

our stress levels and sleep and stuff are different than women.

1:13:08

But it feels like what you just

1:13:10

said there, everyone talks about fasting, but they

1:13:12

don't talk about how much sugar you can

1:13:14

tolerate. And being old. I've

1:13:17

never been a big, big fasting person. If

1:13:19

you want to fast and it feels good to you, that's great.

1:13:21

But again, remember, it's a stressor to your body. So

1:13:24

just fasting 14 hours overnight is plenty already.

1:13:27

And what's even more important is what

1:13:29

are you actually eating the rest of the time? Oh,

1:13:32

that matters greatly. There

1:13:34

was a study in Fast This Way, it was

1:13:36

from Australia. Three

1:13:39

12-hour fasts per week started

1:13:41

to show benefits in middle-aged women. That's

1:13:43

just sleeping. Well, no, a lot of people eat

1:13:45

right before they go to bed. They even wake up. So

1:13:48

it means stop eating after dinner and then don't eat

1:13:50

right away when you wake up. Okay, well that's

1:13:52

pretty much- They're just doing that three times a week. I saw

1:13:54

like a 0.1% ketone improvement, but metabolic

1:13:56

improvement. And then when you break your fast, have

1:13:58

something savory. Like butter. with veggies, have

1:14:01

butter and fish eyes, and

1:14:03

they have 200 supplement pills. That's

1:14:05

the best way to break it faster. No,

1:14:07

seriously, the best way is something savory protein,

1:14:09

some fiber, avoid the orange juice, the fruit

1:14:12

smoothie. That's something I love about

1:14:14

your work. I've for years been like, don't eat fruit

1:14:17

for breakfast. It's the dumbest thing you could do. It's

1:14:19

going to set you up all day. But people do

1:14:21

it all the time. You know, fruit that you

1:14:23

see today in supermarkets and stuff, it's not natural

1:14:26

at all. As you know, it's the

1:14:28

outcome of thousands of years of crossbreeding.

1:14:30

Like we created chihuahuas from gray wolves

1:14:32

and some breeds of dogs. We created

1:14:34

oranges and bananas and apples. They're not

1:14:37

natural fruits. They have

1:14:39

been created to be super sweet,

1:14:42

low in fiber, easy to eat. They're human invention.

1:14:44

So it's not because you buy a piece of

1:14:46

whole fruit that it is natural and good for

1:14:48

you. Yes, it's good because they have some fiber in it. But

1:14:50

then when you denature it and you juice it or you smoothie

1:14:52

it, it becomes a sugar water. You

1:14:55

have to be super cautious. And your

1:14:58

body doesn't care whether sugar came from an orange

1:15:01

and is now in an orange

1:15:03

juice, or if the sugar came from a

1:15:05

beetroot or a cane and is now in

1:15:07

a can of Coca-Cola. It's the same amount

1:15:09

of sugar, 25 grams, 25 grams. To

1:15:12

your body, it is the same. And people will say,

1:15:14

yes, but the orange juice contains some vitamins. The thing

1:15:16

is, if you put some vitamins

1:15:19

in a can of Coke, you would still not

1:15:21

think it's that healthy. Well, the

1:15:23

orange juice is just a can of Coke with vitamins

1:15:25

in it. Exactly. Yeah. And

1:15:27

people go crazy when I say I'd rather drink a

1:15:30

can of diet Coke instead of a

1:15:32

glass of orange juice. Like that is,

1:15:35

you know, people go wild,

1:15:37

but I stand by it. 25

1:15:40

grams of sugar in a can of orange juice is nothing

1:15:42

to make of it. It's not good for you,

1:15:44

even in the slightest. It's dessert, right? It's

1:15:47

for pleasure. It's for fun, for enjoyment. It's not for

1:15:49

help. Jesse,

1:15:51

this has been so much fun to connect

1:15:53

and chat about. And

1:15:56

thanks for inviting me after ghosting me for like

1:15:59

five years and ignoring. me and I'm finally cool

1:16:01

enough to do so I really I'm really happy

1:16:03

about that. You know it's

1:16:05

uh it's

1:16:07

all for debate. Yeah I

1:16:09

think you might be cool enough to bring

1:16:12

up one million followers. You're

1:16:21

just doing such cool stuff. True

1:16:23

appreciation. Keep leading. So help people

1:16:25

with easy things and thanks for

1:16:27

being smart. Did

1:16:33

you feel it? Yeah that was fun. Alright

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1:16:41

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1:16:43

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1:16:45

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