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You're listening to the Human Upgrade with Dave

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Asprey. Formerly

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Bulletproof Radio. You're

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listening to the Human Upgrade with

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Dave Asprey. Our

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guest today has written a book called

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Eat to Treat and

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it's all about inflammation. If

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you've followed my work for the last

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10 or so years, inflammation is at

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the root of everything. Because

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every day your cells take 30 pounds

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of air and some food and they combine them

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to make something. They

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can make electricity or hormones or

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inflammation. And if they make inflammation it

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means you have less energy and it means

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your risk of every disease goes up. So

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if you can fix your food or your

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environment to have less inflammation you will automatically

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have more energy

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and less muffin top. So

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our guest is a renowned

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functional medicine nurse practitioner. She's

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been a USA Today bestselling author and has done a lot

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of work around the field. So I want to pick her

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brain today on what's going

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on with inflammation. Maggie, welcome

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to the show. I'm excited to

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be here and talk about a topic that is

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like you said just so important to all

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of your health and wellness goals. How

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do you know? If

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you have inflammation. No, just how do

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you know what's so important to health and wellness? Tell

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me your take on inflammation. Yeah, so inflammation

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first of all is good at sometimes.

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We need inflammation. The problem in what

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I talk about is chronic inflammation where

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we have so much chronic inflammation day

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in day out, all these toxicities and

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then your body becomes out of balance

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unable to handle the inflammation that you

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have. And that's when we start to get a lot

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of nagging symptoms, chronic

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diseases, illnesses. And so if we can

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address. the root cause of inflammation and

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live a more deflamed lifestyle, whether that's

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food or your mindset or your relationships

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or the environment or the products you

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put on your skin, every

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day we have a healthier chance at

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like you said boosting your energy so

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that you can naturally rebalance your body

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and heal and stay healing your very

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best, looking your very best, performing your

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very best without putting

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so much hard work into it really.

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Just focusing on reducing inflammation long-term. What's

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the difference between long-term and short-term inflammation?

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Short-term inflammation is like if

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you get hurt and

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say you get a scrape on your skin and your

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body inflamed to heal that scrape and to protect

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yourself. It could also be something like you get

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super scared like you almost got in a car

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accident and you get super scared and your body's

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inflamed is trying to protect yourself and

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so that is short-term inflammation. It's protected.

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The problem is actually

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twofold. Sometimes like getting

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scared about getting almost in a car accident,

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we have that feeling often throughout the day,

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at many times throughout the day, but it's

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not necessarily the best response

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for ourselves. And then also sometimes

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we get that response to inflammation like the scrape

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on the skin, but to things

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like you wouldn't think about like the lotion

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you're putting on your skin. So it's not

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necessarily that you have hurt yourself and your

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body needs to inflame to protect yourself. It's

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that intentionally or accidentally

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you're exposing yourself to inflammation or

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to toxicities that cause inflammation in

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your body and that's that chronic

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inflammation. What's

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the biggest cause of that

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short-term I'm going to die inflammation

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aside from our government? For

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me personally, I mean I think everybody obviously

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is unique. For me it used

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to be really decisions. I would

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stress about decisions and it could

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be a little tiny decision like

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gosh something silly like what should I wear? What color

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of nail polish should I paint my nails this time?

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Or it could be a major decision like where should

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I live? What should I do with my life? Well,

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how should I go to and actually indecisiveness

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caused a lot of inflammation in my life

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so for me personally that was one of

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my big drivers of stress

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another big driver of stress and that inflammation

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like no my gosh is When

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I was you know before I embarked on my

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health journey was weight and

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image so working out super

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hard always concerned about you know, my

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appearance my physique and I'll

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talk a lot about in the book the mindset

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shift of that that you can achieve that appearance

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and that physique but in a Way that does

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not inflame your body and mentally cause

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you to be so stressed So me

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personally those are the causes of that

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I use experience for that inflammation. I

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Love it that you're talking about Decision

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fatigue as a cause of inflammation.

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It's a hundred percent true and

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this is something in game changers

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and even in my brain book,

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which is What's

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that one that is headstrong I

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talk about how it sucks electrons and you

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run out of energy Right

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and when you run out of energy the cells

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get stressed and there's that

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famous study in Israel around What

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is the thing that gets people

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out of prison on parole? The

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number one factor it's not what crime you did

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your age gender none of that It's what time

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of day was your parole board hearing and in

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the morning when you're full of energy the judge is like Yeah,

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yeah, you can get out you can get out and then by

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the time you get to late morning or afternoon There

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they're just out of energy. So like no no no

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and It's

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kind of scary the invisible stuff. So

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that's proof that that decision

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fatigue Gets us

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and as an entrepreneur, it's a hundred times worse, right?

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Yeah, and this is even before I

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was an entrepreneur, you know This was back

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before I became an entrepreneur and a

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business owner But yes same with being an

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entrepreneur and that's one thing that I'm

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grateful that I have now if I have

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awareness around this These decisions do not

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matter that much. They want to go with it.

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Either way you go, you're going to figure out

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if it was a great lesson learned or a

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great lesson learned, but through a fail or a

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setback. It's

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a skill set. I think everybody should work on

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it. It's not just what you eat. Obviously, the

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book is called Eat Your Treat. I talk a

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lot about that, but it's how you speak and

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how you make decisions and your mental capacity

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for inflammation and stress. One

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of the reasons I wanted to have you on

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this show is that you're

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one of the few people who really

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clearly lays out the

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fact that anxiety

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or inflammation, it can come from

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inside yourselves and you have a framework for that.

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And then you also say, but it

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can also come from your psychology. And

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most people just think it's a moral failing.

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That was my path. Oh, it's because I'm

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not trying hard enough or whatever. And at

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the end of the day, some of it comes

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from an internal

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biological thing. And some of it comes from a

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belief system. Like I am not enough

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or whatever the heck and all sorts of people have

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different ones and done tons of episodes on that. That's

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why I do neurofeedback. So you're trying

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to balance these out. If

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you were to take a guess, given everything you've seen

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as a nurse practitioner and all your stuff as an

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author, what percentage

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of people's inflammation is

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biological versus psychological? Oh

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gosh, I think it exactly goes hand in hand. And

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this is a question a lot of people ask me

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when I heal my body and through all the work

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that I do, it's like, what's the one thing that

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makes the difference? And it truly

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is that I think the one thing that

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will make the difference is acknowledging that it's

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not one thing. And it's not what kind

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of came first. It's a combination. For example,

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you're talking about the stress

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and psychological, physiological, all that kind of

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stuff. So you might be

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bad at making decisions because

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you're so inflamed, your hormones are out

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of balance. You have certain genetic things

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going on. Your nutrients are absolutely in

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the tank, even feeling well

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to begin with in your irritable. So

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if you fix those imbalances in your body

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and your nutrient levels and your gut health and

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your hormones and all of that good stuff,

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and you're not flooding your body with toxins through,

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and I talk a lot about like non-toxic

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living, then naturally your mental

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stress becomes better too. You become

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less irritable, less anxiety, depression, things

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like that. So it really is

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kind of like, it's a joint

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effort. It's a joint effort of

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having a balanced body and a

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balanced mind. And I don't

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think it's one thing, you know, came first, it's

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a combination of years and years and years and

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years of habits and lifestyle and environment and exposures

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and, you know, how you've been

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nurtured or raised or the belief systems that you

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felt, you know, your whole entire

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life. So

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you're dodging the question. So

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what percentage is psychological

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versus physiological? Yeah. Oh

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gosh. I guess

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probably 80% would be physiological because

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most people even accidentally are

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exposed to things that

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make their body out of balance. And

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when your body is out of balance, then the

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psychological things come to play. I

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know that's a hard to answer thing. My number

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is 70%, by the way, so we're very close.

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I asked on an older episode,

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Joan Rosenberg, who's a famous

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psychologist, a similar question, and

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she thought it was actually more

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psychological than I would have imagined. So different people

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have a different view. I

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believe very much like you, that if you

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could just handle your physical stuff, you'd have

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enough electricity to not be so tweaked by

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emotional stuff. Like if you're having your best

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day ever and you're so energetic and you're

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vibing and you're not feeling

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amped, you're just there. And then,

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you know, your mother-in-law calls or whatever, and, you

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know, and it's something that would normally just really,

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you lose it. And look at

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this, I'm like, you know, Luke Skywalker. walker

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with his little droid just deflecting things

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effortlessly or like neo in the matrix

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and like, Oh, this is cool. It's

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not cool if you ate a bunch of

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brown rice and oatmeal and kale and you

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know, industrial chicken or impossible burgers. And all

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of a sudden like you didn't have a

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lightsaber. You're just like, you got a wet

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noodle. Like this doesn't work very well. And

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then you think it was your mother-in-law, but

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it was you. Yeah. That's

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so interesting. I say, I believe

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that when you're talking about like your energy. So

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the way that I think of this is when

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your body is healthy and balanced and be

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flamed, then your body has more ability to

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heal itself. And I always say the body

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is a way smarter than any diet or

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pill or prescription. And so if you give

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your body a helping hand in the right

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direction to heal itself every day and to,

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like you said, combat the emotion from the

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mother-in-law call or whatever it may be, then

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you actually end up not having to try

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so hard to regulate your emotion or to

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detoxify because your body is set up for

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success to do so on its own. Do

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you really think the body is smarter than fentanyl?

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I think that fentanyl is more

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powerful than the body for sure.

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But I think that if you are

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trying to heal, to rebalance, to

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remove nagging symptoms that you've been experiencing, if

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you can reduce inflammation and get your body

11:23

that helping hand, it will rewire those pathways

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in your body. It will heal that gut

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lining. It will rebalance those

11:29

hormones, boost those nutrients, or even allow

11:31

your food to be absorbed better to

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up your nutrient intake.

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Who did your media training? In

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my bad, I actually never had media training.

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You're great. I'm asking all these hard

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questions and you're just like deflecting them

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like that Neo in the karate scene

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I just referenced. I

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never had media training a day in my

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life because of my thoughts and my opinions. It's

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because you got your energy back because none

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of those even bother you a little bit.

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And for people watching like seriously, I'm gonna have

12:02

your kind of hard together funny, but they're kind

12:04

of hard questions And you

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don't skip a beat you're smiling and it's

12:08

not a fake smile and you're just like

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no I hear this is how it is

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So these are my opinions thoughts and

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personal experiences. So it's just very easy for

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me to speak about this Obviously i've been

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also working in this field for

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a while, but yeah, no, I've also handled

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your inflammation, right? So you have the

12:25

energy to be like davis being whatever

12:28

Which is which is cool. I

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was gonna say with the handling the inflammation thing

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you talked about decisions of entrepreneurship I don't think

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I would have ever been an entrepreneur if I

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didn't heal my body Because I

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didn't have that desire I didn't even have

12:41

a desire but once I healed my body

12:43

and I was like feeling amazing every day

12:45

and I wasn't Worried about these

12:47

silly decisions that don't matter my whole world

12:49

opened up. Of course I had a newfound

12:51

passion to healing because at the

12:54

time I was actually a traditional nurse practitioner

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And then I healed my body through, you

12:58

know, natural medicine and detoxification things like that.

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And um, but It

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opens you up So if you've never fully felt

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your best like you probably have no idea what's

13:07

next for you because you're not able to Even

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think about or or consider that next option

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Yeah, it's uh, it's totally true.

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Um, you just You

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just don't know because it's I just have

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to survive the day And

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13:56

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are that people think are mountains. And

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then like, Oh, you know what, it's gonna be work, but I

14:03

can do this. And oftentimes,

14:06

that's the path of entrepreneurship. It's also the

14:08

path of being a parent, right? Everyone

14:11

who's had a two year old saying no 10 kazillion

14:14

billion times, like I can't do this anymore.

14:16

And somehow you figure it out. Yeah,

14:19

and I think I mean, I've

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done all of those things on parent after

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young kids, I'm a business owner, I've healed

14:25

my body when doctor after doctor specialist after

14:27

specialist was telling me I couldn't. And

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14:32

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14:34

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14:36

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14:39

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14:41

this huge dramatic thing. It can be like you said, for

14:43

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14:45

they're so stressed about everything, it can be

14:47

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14:49

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14:51

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deeper. In the first chapter

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in your book, you talk

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inflammation. And this is one of

17:30

the gems that's there.

17:33

In order for you to understand

17:35

inflammation when you're listening to this,

17:38

you could read all the PubMed things that Maggie

17:40

and I have probably read, and you could go

17:42

really, really deep on it. But giving

17:45

you a framework for understanding, so you

17:47

don't have to do all the deep

17:49

studying. Oh, it's just these three things.

17:52

It has to be simple enough to be

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18:02

those frameworks that's elegant and useful.

18:05

So I want you to listen in. Teach

18:08

us what are the three things

18:10

that cause inflammation. So the three

18:13

four things to inflammation could be

18:15

infections, confidence, or your immune response.

18:18

What about things like an

18:21

injury or even just lifting

18:23

weights for a long time? Those

18:25

also cause inflammation like overtraining. Yes.

18:28

So overtraining could be beneficial to, I

18:30

mean, training hard can be beneficial to

18:33

reaching the goals that you're looking for

18:35

if you are also supporting your body

18:37

with the right supplements, right rest, right

18:39

recuperation for that moment.

18:41

But at the same time overtraining,

18:44

over exercising, over exerting your body

18:46

could also harm your body because

18:48

if you're already dealing with things

18:50

like you know an out of balance

18:53

hormone system, if you have gut

18:55

complications, you have really low nutrients, you're not

18:57

feeding your body what it needs to be

18:59

fed, you're not sleeping well, your body can't

19:01

handle that stress. Your body cannot handle

19:03

the stress of working out really hard and tearing

19:05

your muscles and needing to rebuild those muscles because

19:07

it can hardly get through the day. So

19:10

you again just even with workouts it's important

19:12

to know where are you right now? Are

19:15

you able to go really hard

19:17

in the gym to reach some

19:19

kind of you know physique goal

19:21

or actually is that turning your

19:23

health even worse? And that's a

19:25

really big key thing to notice for a lot of people.

19:29

I know so many fitness competitors

19:32

who've said both men and women but I maybe

19:34

hear this more from women that I never looked

19:36

better or felt worse, right

19:39

because they're over trained and they're eating

19:41

the wrong stuff and you get this

19:43

really lean look but it's not a

19:45

sustainable. It's terrible and

19:47

it's because they're driving this inflammation because

19:50

of those types of behaviors. I

19:52

agree and oftentimes also I've spoken to

19:55

a lot of those individuals too, they

19:57

feel horribly mentally and they feel horribly

20:00

They're tired. They're they're physically feeling bad

20:02

If you would do their labs and

20:04

you know get some specialty functional medicine

20:06

lab tests on them They're probably severely

20:09

malnourished and nutrient deficient. And

20:11

so it's not they're not happy But

20:13

yeah, like you said they look it

20:15

looks good. All they need is

20:17

some CMOS and kale, right? Once that's everything

20:21

No, they need a full rebody balance

20:23

rebody and shift

20:26

You know, it can go both ways too

20:29

when I was going through my health problems.

20:31

I looked healthy I look fit

20:33

I looked good and that's the main reason why a

20:35

lot of my doctors dismiss these me they were like

20:38

you look great you're fine and But

20:40

I didn't feel great And so, you know

20:42

that just goes back to being an advocate for

20:44

yourself and digging deeper to find the answers to

20:46

what will make you Feel your best. I Love

20:50

it. You treat the symptoms including being

20:52

tired and doctors say oh

20:55

you look good There's nothing wrong with you Like

20:58

look dude. I told you

21:00

there was something wrong with me And if

21:02

you're gonna tell me that I'm crazy you better have

21:04

some damn good evidence that I'm crazy Otherwise, I'm gonna

21:06

get a new doctor and people

21:08

talk about medical gaslighting and all this kind of

21:10

stuff Yes,

21:12

there are doctors with ego. There are also doctors who

21:15

are really busy and Honestly, I

21:17

mean you're you're a trained practitioner someone walks in the door

21:19

and they're vibing and super healthy. You kind of know it,

21:21

right? So

21:23

and that was me but but I also did

21:25

not feel well I was super dizzy to where

21:27

I had a pull over the side of the

21:29

road So I thought I might pass out I

21:31

was loaded no matter what I ate even if

21:33

I ate something healthy I was you know,

21:36

my mentality was changing. I was getting to

21:38

be like unmotivated and irritable That was never

21:40

who I was and so I knew

21:42

I I knew that something was

21:44

wrong. Um, but you're right that Doctors

21:46

are busy right and it's not like their

21:49

fault and I actually had some amazing doctors

21:51

who just pull me straight up like listen

21:53

Maggie we have no idea what's going on.

21:55

Here's this pill to help you with their

21:57

symptoms It's not that they were trying to

21:59

be bad. It's that they didn't know. And

22:01

so that's where going the extra step and

22:03

diving deeper into your health can really pay

22:06

off in a big way. I've

22:08

had so many good doctors as well. And quite

22:12

often, it's just like I said, they just don't know.

22:14

And if you have to make a split second decision,

22:17

if someone walks in with dark circles under their eyes,

22:19

they're obese, and they're

22:21

limping. And you know, they're snot running

22:23

out of their nose like, okay, I could treat this guy, I know

22:25

what to do. And the next person walks in,

22:28

well, they look healthier than 80% of people, the fact that your

22:30

brain's inflamed, they can't see it, but you

22:33

literally had a second to make a judgment

22:35

before you could even think about it that

22:37

said, do I focus or not? And

22:39

so it's, it's that group,

22:42

well, they're doing pretty well, we're less

22:44

likely to get it. Unless we go to

22:46

a functional medicine practitioner, who says, Look, I take

22:48

an hour with every patient to really understand you. And that

22:50

means it's expensive. But that means you get it. And so

22:55

if you're listening to this, and you're like, well, I

22:57

look good, everything should be, should

22:59

be right. It's probably me, it's

23:01

I'm just not trying hard enough.

23:03

No, it's actually something

23:05

wrong. And maybe

23:08

it is your psychology, right?

23:10

And you're just stuck in a helpless loop, because

23:12

you know, you have a childhood issue

23:14

or something. That's still something

23:17

you can heal. It's not like emotional injuries and

23:19

physical injuries are that different. There's a healing modality

23:21

from everything now, you just have to figure out

23:23

what is cause. But the weird

23:25

thing is, if you're going to heal the

23:27

childhood stuff, or whatever traumas you have relationship

23:30

dysfunction, try doing that when

23:32

you have all your energy, instead of doing that,

23:34

when you're barely one foot in front of the

23:36

other. And that

23:38

was what I learned on my path. And you know, when

23:40

I was 30, I started doing personal development work. And

23:44

I was also trying to heal from all

23:46

these things. And it's just so much easier

23:48

to have spiritual breakthroughs and psychological breakthroughs when

23:50

you feel okay. Yes. And

23:53

those things like the physiological things, they're a

23:55

lot easier to fix than the psychological thing.

23:58

So you can create a little wind for

24:00

yourself. And you know,

24:02

so when I went to the doctors,

24:04

my labs were normal and I looked

24:07

fine. And so that they just, you

24:09

know, said that eventually they became abnormal

24:11

because symptoms were ignored and inflammation just

24:13

kept brewing. But with

24:16

specialty tests, I could identify, Oh my

24:18

gosh, look at my nutrients. They're all

24:20

in the tank. If I can boost

24:22

those, surely I must feel a little

24:24

better. Oh my gosh. Look, I have

24:26

this crazy high, high,

24:28

high, aluminum level. If I can reduce

24:30

that surely it will help me. And

24:32

so those are more easy wins that

24:34

you can identify and see and start

24:37

to work on. And then the psychological

24:39

stuff, like you said, becomes a lot

24:41

easier to rebalance on your feelings physically

24:43

well. In

24:45

my early thirties, I found a good

24:48

functional medicine doctor and

24:51

he believed me and I, it was kind

24:54

of easy to believe me because I had some of

24:56

the signs I wasn't doing well, but other signs were

24:58

okay. I think it was kind of confusing. And finally

25:00

he said, Dave, my

25:03

patients get better. He said, my average patient sees me

25:05

twice and then they're okay. And

25:08

he was a former Johns Hopkins

25:10

ENT surgeon turned homeopath, longevity guy

25:12

and glutathione and all the cool

25:15

stuff. He doesn't practice

25:17

anymore. His name is Tim Guilford. And

25:20

the first guy to introduce liposomal glutathione to

25:22

the market. So

25:24

I'm like, okay, I have this

25:26

guy who finally believes me. And he

25:29

says, Dan says, Dave, I want to run an

25:31

HIV test. He goes, I don't think there's any chance of it. You're

25:34

in a relationship and married and all that

25:36

kind of stuff, but your body is

25:38

just not responding the way it's supposed to. And

25:40

eventually he was the guy who ran the lab test

25:42

to help me figure out, this is toxic mold in

25:45

my heart. And when I

25:47

understood that it made everything work and toxic

25:49

mold was a major cause of my inflammation.

25:51

I'm sure I had some emotional stuff in

25:53

there as well, but that was secondary to

25:57

what was happening with toxins. And when I

26:00

And I look at your list of those

26:02

three things, the infectious factors, and

26:04

then non-infectious factors, and immune response. Well, toxic mold

26:06

for me did all three because I

26:08

actually had mold growing in my body, which is an infection.

26:11

It was making toxins

26:14

and chemical irritants and things like that.

26:17

And of course I had stress as a result of it, which

26:19

is a non-infectious factor. And then I had an

26:21

immune response, both to the mold and to the toxins

26:23

made by the mold. So I'm like, great, I

26:25

get the trifecta. And this is one reason we thought, crap.

26:28

And if you had a really

26:30

popular man-engineered virus from the last

26:32

three years, that might be

26:35

an infectious factor. I wouldn't know which one

26:37

I'm thinking of. This is purely hypothetical. And

26:39

you had some non-infectious

26:41

factors like stress because you were locked in

26:44

your house for a few years or something

26:46

like that. And

26:48

you had some chemical irritants like

26:52

all of the household products

26:56

that we were using that sterilized everything that

26:58

you rubbed into your skin, like hand sanitizer

27:00

and all that kind of stuff. And

27:03

then you had an immune response because you

27:06

had a perceived threat, which

27:09

would come from the news and would come from

27:11

the fact that your body was manufacturing little

27:13

actual threats. Same kind of

27:15

a thing. And what I've found happens

27:17

in people with a long version of

27:19

what I just described or with toxic

27:21

mold is

27:24

that the cells themselves, the

27:26

mass cells become so irritated

27:29

that all of a sudden these are like little landmines and

27:31

they're supposed to only go off when there's a big invader

27:33

and they're like, oh look, the wind blew. And

27:36

they blow up and set up all the ones

27:38

around them. And we have wave after wave of

27:40

inflammation. How

27:42

common do you think this is today versus I don't know,

27:44

four years ago? I

27:48

think that there's always been things that

27:50

have contributed to these trifecta. I

27:52

Don't think it's brand new that we have

27:54

that experience, but I do think that now

27:57

more than ever it is, especially because a

27:59

lot of people. In the last four

28:01

years that like it's as if if we're

28:03

talking about that and I make you been

28:05

displaced allowed people have new blog if I've

28:08

lost their jobs wanty blah blah family member

28:10

in. A lot of people have disagreed with

28:12

friends and family. On for instance is on

28:14

Bainbridge. it says it had been a unique

28:17

since we found a good point. I'm in

28:19

history that something happened by any means, but

28:21

it doesn't have a unique situation that exactly

28:24

exacerbate a lot of. Eating

28:26

but even predisposed. For. So

28:28

am I forgot about like you're told, Fox

28:30

and Bird and it's like you know your

28:32

body can only handle him as a funny

28:34

you know how thick exposure and infection a

28:36

on infection and I mean or soon after

28:39

numerous haha for immune response and some your

28:41

body's gonna say i'm a dime. And

28:43

when you're going to get a lot

28:45

of symptoms, diseases, cancers, of everything, that's

28:47

when your body can no longer function

28:50

fully the way it goes to. Jail

28:55

for their. We.

28:57

Get overwhelmed and.

29:01

There. Are ways out of chronic inflammation.

29:03

For. Me: And I spend probably

29:05

a million dollars of the two billion dollars I

29:08

spent reverse image and. In upgrading

29:10

myself in on the freeways been dealing

29:12

with information and during panels and trying

29:14

this time that. It.

29:17

Was hard for me to know. Where.

29:20

Do I start? Do I start with what

29:22

my immune system suing to dampen as do

29:24

I. Handle these is

29:26

nine successfactors way to accurate sense and

29:28

toxins and things. Or do I go

29:30

for an infection that I might have

29:32

under a to sort. Of. Chronic.

29:36

Lyme or Mold or whatever. Where

29:38

does a person star? I

29:41

think the easy thing to say are is actually

29:43

not anything internally with your body but your environment.

29:45

It doesn't was your barter. Oh my gosh, and

29:47

lot. More amazing that he

29:49

or say i don't know I'm

29:51

that I I feel like I'd I'd

29:54

never call myself a biohazard. I'd really

29:56

like simplifying and did have signed your

29:58

and many. Oh and you either

30:01

need a thing that you can, you should try

30:03

to reduce inflammation. So everyday when you wake up

30:05

in your home that you spend a lot of

30:07

time in our in your office. You

30:10

are, You're not as inflame, the and

30:12

user. So. Thing by you know

30:14

that some locals you're using and you're

30:16

cleaning products and yourself care products and

30:18

during the day that you're doing the

30:20

shower like all of those types of

30:22

things are easy Wins: Reduce inflammation and

30:24

like we've been talking about when you

30:26

reduce inflammation uses energy and energy than

30:28

heal better. Feel. I feel

30:30

that and really great way to start on

30:33

the are inherent and. And. Then from

30:35

the there in the book I do talk about

30:37

depending on your specific information I'd like or years

30:39

and an overly the dumbest you have fell on

30:41

the i can for the alphabet and morning or

30:43

you like having g I problems everyday. Those.

30:46

Are different situation and out depending on

30:48

what's going on in your body is

30:50

where I would say defendants and if

30:53

I your mouth and evidence and fight

30:55

for me personally pizza myself obviously so

30:57

for me personally I definitely had hormone

30:59

problem and I certainly had that problem.

31:02

So. That's where I would far as hard

31:04

feeling inside the body. Homeowner

31:08

got problems are definitely part of my

31:10

world's. I have lower testosterone

31:12

then my mom and I was twenty six. And

31:16

it's funny because most twenty six rolls listening

31:18

to the show. And it's funny. the the

31:20

largest percentage or a second largest percentage of

31:23

listeners is a twenty five to thirty five.

31:25

So there's a lot of other, like. What's.

31:27

Going on with your men or

31:30

women. Testosterone or. Estrogen are

31:32

so rude or major parts of

31:34

your. Of. Your symptoms and you

31:36

don't know. Why? That is, and

31:38

if you're over forty, it's guarantee because there's

31:40

no question about it, it's as a part

31:42

of it you grew that. He

31:45

i do think that our hormones the com less

31:48

sounds as we age and that you probably doing

31:50

i'm not as a theory about needs some the

31:52

store as support for your body. I

31:54

also with cycling of mouth and my young

31:56

twenty thou is about I think she'll when

31:58

it first started happening. Hi for when I

32:00

had a mini stroke and twenty five when I

32:03

rebounds my bisoli. And. For.

32:05

That major hormone imbalances when I

32:07

was young and healthy on the

32:09

outside. Also with already eating

32:11

organic, going to the gym everyday doing

32:13

mindset staff. I was the south here

32:15

kind of person. And that they're

32:17

just as the show, that it's really an.

32:20

A combination of lot of thing. And

32:22

says authentic information to where you're going to

32:25

start to decline. Make.

32:28

Sense to me. The.

32:31

Other part of your work that I thought

32:33

was really really cool. Was.

32:35

You said hey, there is we could.

32:38

Break your information into

32:40

personalized types of information.

32:43

And. Yourself a quiz to do this. So.

32:45

You can fill out a quiz and it

32:47

tells you that you're one of about six

32:49

different or seven different kinds. What's.

32:52

The Euro for the quest. And

32:55

eighty three. Zoc on

32:57

backslash before said. Okay,

33:00

He to three.com/resources and another to/a

33:02

backslash but around figured out If

33:04

I get it wrong they probably

33:07

aren't needed to some deep breathing

33:09

exercises hit. By five thirty that it

33:11

actually an inflammation assessment. Figure out what type

33:13

of information he and the severity of it.

33:15

Because if you are like me and you're

33:17

at you know passing out, Are you here

33:20

Very in flames? Very different things that you

33:22

might need to jail. Then if you're just

33:24

a. Senator. Said Tennesseans on

33:26

a headache you lately I went to address

33:28

that And then there's a total classic bird

33:30

and one. Which is the

33:32

rifle fire? And like assessing how

33:35

how. How button somewhere the

33:37

taxes, living your life and different categories

33:39

and then those are immediate Wednesday's and

33:41

C O. I'm making improvements here and

33:43

you can reduce that full of i

33:45

suffered and level. And

33:48

I I I like that idea. If you've

33:50

gotta be able to. Go.

33:52

The odds of figured out so that

33:54

you can seven and make change. I'm.

33:59

I'm gonna go deepening. Couple of the different types

34:01

they haven't here. Are. You talk

34:03

about. Muscle.

34:05

And joint information as a

34:07

type of information. It.

34:10

Seems like that always happens after you

34:12

have allergies or after you have got

34:14

issues but you already have allergies and

34:16

gotta she's a to other categories. So

34:18

what causes Muslim join information that isn't

34:20

a leaky gut. Sell. It

34:22

actually not so much luck hi this each

34:24

as we know the root causes and funny

34:26

and nice and on an accident I said

34:28

adding innocent as. Though in a

34:30

book at myself. If you are experiencing

34:33

like your main thing is you have

34:35

muscle and joint pain. Here are the

34:37

night: fast sales tax reduce our immediate

34:39

came for that. you are nineteen everyday

34:41

and and how to rebalance your body.

34:43

Worth a look in Shield maybe certain

34:45

things to eat, certain lifestyle habits you

34:47

do or not to do to help

34:49

with that muscle. Enjoy! Islam isn't. That

34:55

makes. It

34:58

makes more sense. Approach it in that order.

35:02

I'm still and I'm thinking like for me. I

35:05

don't have a lot of Moscow's got

35:07

a pen on a normal basis now,

35:09

but for most of my life it

35:11

was a major thing. Arthritis since I

35:13

was fourteen in my knees. A

35:15

severe like I had a candle

35:17

burning between my shoulder blades that

35:19

is really really such as the

35:22

upper back pain. And. There

35:24

was so hard to deal with and occasionally comes

35:26

back. I know it's toxin related now. And

35:28

it's also related to oxalates in the

35:31

diet. And give me a whole

35:33

when sergio and spinach and raspberries and

35:35

almonds and sweet potatoes and will arouse

35:37

And my current. I'm. Said

35:39

the feeling All this pain again and an old

35:42

injuries light up. How

35:44

much of muslims your information to think

35:46

is immune vs. fox. ah

35:51

i would say fox and forest

35:53

so maybe find it somewhere where

35:55

and seventy percent toxin or any

35:57

percent and you know on Wow,

36:01

I love it that you said that. I didn't think that's what

36:03

you're going to say. I'm

36:06

passing all your quizzes, Zane. No,

36:09

I'm just, I'm curious, right? Because you treat people.

36:11

I'm not a doctor. I just know a few things. I'm

36:15

an unlicensed biohacker, which makes some doctors

36:17

very angry. I'm talking about Peter Atieh

36:19

here in particular. Hey, Peter. Turns

36:22

out that you can do more than statins,

36:25

vaccines, and exercise to extend human life,

36:27

even though you don't think it's possible.

36:29

That's just a disagreement. So there's all

36:31

these different mindsets that are out there.

36:35

You just seem to have a unique perspective

36:37

that, like, huh, you

36:40

could do something about these things. So

36:43

anyway, your order of operation seems

36:45

very lucid, which is

36:47

cool. Now, do you

36:50

think I'm going to say? Yeah, like if you

36:53

are, because it just goes back to the

36:55

same thing. If you are balanced

36:57

in your body, if your nutrient levels

36:59

are on point, if you are reducing

37:01

toxicity, if you're reducing inflammation, you will

37:03

feel better. So the immunological

37:06

response, yes, may be there, but

37:08

if you eliminate or greatly reduce

37:10

all of these other factors, then

37:13

you're not going to be experiencing in

37:16

this situation the muscle pain and the joint pain as

37:18

much or at all that you would be otherwise.

37:23

It's worked for me. I do know that

37:25

some of what I had was inflammation driven,

37:27

and a lot

37:29

of it was directly toxin driven. And you

37:31

could say, well, Dave, you know, oxalic acid

37:34

crystals in your joints cause inflammation.

37:36

So it actually was inflammation driven.

37:39

And the thing is, was it immune

37:41

driven inflammation or was it physically

37:44

induced inflammation, which is what oxaloids

37:46

eventually are. So I

37:49

like the nuances. And just from a

37:51

quiz, you're helping people to tease out,

37:53

you know, where are you between muscle

37:55

and joint versus other ones. You

37:58

Also have hormonal and thyroid. Which

38:00

is maybe my number one recommendation, especially

38:02

for people under forty who aren't feeling

38:05

like they're just brewing like disposable. The

38:07

energy and all the vibe and bills

38:09

have bounced back. And they're not. So.

38:13

Tommy, your take on hormones and

38:15

by road and information can summarize.

38:17

For so. I saw

38:19

her, nine and karma like that, farm and

38:21

and buried. I really closely related stuff. you

38:23

have one or the other added balance by

38:25

the way, they both and but I do

38:28

think that. Akin to a

38:30

concert with one or me Hormones

38:32

were first I believe. As.

38:34

Much as I did not have a cycle

38:36

until I was eighteen when I started birth

38:39

control thousand clearly there's something wrong with my

38:41

for months and and then that contributed to

38:43

the to help and that nature deficiencies and

38:45

all of the thing. And you

38:47

know but added says the Shelley this is

38:50

the surface from they were doing this on.

38:52

A. Information: Panic in

38:54

Dances Opposition. That for

38:56

hormones and got how the poor thing is

38:59

that when you do six hours. Everything

39:01

else is positively impacted as old

39:03

as well. Top.

39:06

Three most important hormones for people

39:08

to measure and page instance. I

39:12

would say that the basics are progesterone

39:14

as into susteren. And. Not

39:16

firing. Okay

39:18

I went, I went back for non

39:20

and with fi raid that they're both

39:22

in London. As a Saturday you would

39:24

need to get tested for all up

39:26

and pay for sex hormones the three

39:28

as I write and make sure that

39:30

you have a t as chc four

39:32

three three and make sure that you're

39:34

like looking at a whole piano. And.

39:36

In also. As as

39:39

if they also the nutrient levels and nutrients

39:41

do play a major in part in making

39:43

for nine You'll want to make sure that

39:45

you're testing or nutrients nation at the data

39:47

plan. To.

39:49

Sell like there's they are tests really the

39:52

update and advanced biregional you can. We totally

39:54

agree on that stuff and I just a

39:56

new best sex on the now. But.

39:58

In your case, that sucks. Mm. Would

40:00

include testosterone, estrogen, and

40:02

progesterone. Bit. As those

40:05

who thinks. I. Think that that once. Again,

40:07

and you might as well throw in the Aegean

40:09

for you, All right, Of

40:11

okay. So. Guys that list

40:13

or more time, it's just

40:16

as thrown Estrogen Progesterone pregnant

40:18

alone Phds. With. Advance Thyroid

40:20

can only events borrowed panel is

40:23

t for. The. Three

40:25

Rivers t Three. Tsh.

40:28

And. And

40:30

everybody's for Hashimoto threat. Was.

40:32

And why I fell in any champion all

40:35

because your needs and make a big difference

40:37

in your for my house. Or

40:39

your one in each other than adequate. What

40:41

is the best way to

40:44

measure nutrients? On.

40:48

There are several as I think the

40:50

best way would probably be thrill. Out

40:53

of all the way I do hear you're in. A

40:56

couple of you have to choose just

40:58

one. Of. The option

41:00

would be true. Blood

41:03

or urine. And. I

41:05

usually recommended an Rb seem and on

41:07

houses red blood cell because it's rebels

41:10

of turn a lot is gonna tell

41:12

you lot about. I'm also an agreement

41:14

with you that if you have unlimited

41:16

money and time. May. As

41:18

well, do some p accept that your body may

41:20

be holding on to things that don't shop in

41:22

your p. And. Then hair. same

41:24

thing. so kind of like. I.

41:27

Feel like doing a hair mineral analysis

41:29

is like reading. Reading. This

41:31

type of fire from the color of the

41:33

smoke you could always and will fire vs

41:35

something else but he gonna need some more

41:37

data in there but is really helpful. And

41:40

then urine and families torn on that.

41:42

tell me why you like your and

41:44

panels for measuring trance. I'm

41:46

hoping it is an awesome thing like I

41:49

I, I like all so. i think

41:51

you just give you a thorough picture i

41:53

to look at the whole cake sad to

41:55

see what's going on in the buy and

41:57

sell you can comic compare and contrast and

41:59

seasons and trends and see what things you

42:01

may need to say. But it's not in particular that

42:03

I'm like, I'm a test, you have to get this

42:05

year and test for this test or for this

42:08

level. And I do like testing

42:10

and the reason the quiz exists is so that

42:12

if you are trying to save money or you

42:14

don't have the money to do this, this will

42:16

help you a lot. But I do definitely believe

42:19

in and love testing so that you can get

42:21

the actual information on your body and know what's

42:23

going on for certain. Should

42:26

we drink our pee? No.

42:32

I'm that's not in the book. The

42:36

look on your face was priceless. There

42:39

are a variety of people talking about this these days

42:41

and I was just wondering what your take on that

42:43

was. I personally

42:46

do not or would not drink pee.

42:49

So you've never tried drinking pee? I

42:51

have never. You're a functional medicine doctor. We've all heard

42:53

lectures on this. You never like one time just like taking

42:55

a sip to see how bad it was. Well,

42:58

first of all, I feel really good. So I

43:00

don't feel the need to experiment with drinking my

43:02

urine. But no, I

43:04

never have done that. I will

43:06

confess my before. I

43:09

read a book on this 20 years ago and I was desperate. And

43:12

I did try drinking pee and it wasn't very

43:14

pleasant. And then they

43:16

said like ferment it for three weeks and try

43:18

it. And I was like open it. I'm like

43:20

fuck that. I am not drinking that. But

43:24

what I did do that

43:26

provided amazing relief from allergies

43:28

was I injected my urine. Have you

43:31

heard of urine injection therapy? No. You

43:33

want to know about it? Sure. I'm sure

43:36

everybody would. Talk to us about

43:38

how you put urine into your body. This

43:41

this doesn't it's not as

43:43

crazy as it sounds. So after you

43:45

are exposed to an allergen, whether it's

43:47

something you breathe or it's something

43:49

you eat, about four to eight hours

43:51

later, in your urine

43:53

you'll have huge numbers of

43:56

IgG antibodies to the substance, right? Like

43:58

that's something we understand you can actually measure. Well,

44:01

if you collected that urine in a sterile container,

44:04

you buffered it with a little bit of baking soda, you

44:06

mixed in some lidocaine so it didn't hurt very

44:09

much, and you injected 10 milliliters

44:11

through a filter into your muscle,

44:14

your body will see all of these weird

44:16

IgGs inside the muscle and it'll say, oh

44:18

my gosh, I'm getting invaded. It

44:21

must be an infection by an agent

44:23

that makes IgGs. So then your

44:25

body makes an antibody to its own antibodies

44:28

and it cancels them out. And

44:30

it's very much a hacker way of thinking.

44:34

And the

44:36

reason that I first tried this, this was

44:38

many years ago, was Dr.

44:41

Who taught me this. I

44:44

actually, I don't

44:46

know if it's a good idea to mention his name.

44:48

He's on Vancouver Island and I kind of want to,

44:50

but I don't know if he's still practicing. I also

44:53

don't want to mess with his licensing stuff. So I'm,

44:55

well, if he reaches out and hears this, I

44:58

will post it somewhere, but I don't think I

45:00

can tell you guys this. The

45:02

original protocol came from a guy named, I can't

45:05

mention his name because he's super canceled online right

45:07

now either. The last four years, let's

45:10

see. So

45:13

top secret stuff. His first name is Rashid,

45:15

he's a doctor, and his last name rhymes

45:17

with butter but has an A in it.

45:21

So anyway, maybe

45:23

that's enough. He was apparently the inventor of

45:25

this protocol. The

45:28

first doctor who taught me about this said, Dave, I

45:30

had a guy who was anaphylactic to cats and his

45:32

girlfriend got a cat. The guy was in his sixties.

45:35

And so he was going to have to break up with her and he said, doc, you got

45:37

to help me. He said, well, let's try it. So

45:40

he'd go and he'd breathe cat stuff, get almost

45:42

anaphylactic and collect urine and do this. He

45:44

said after eight injections, the only way he could

45:47

elicit an immune response is by sleeping with a

45:49

cat blanket on his face. That

45:52

is profound healing from an allergy. Now

45:56

you'll probably get toxoplasmosis if you sleep with

45:58

a cat blanket on your face. your face

46:00

and that stuff takes over your brain kind

46:02

of like that movie The Last of Us.

46:05

So maybe sleeping with cat blankets is not a

46:07

good idea. But regardless, that

46:10

convinced me that I should try it. So I did. At

46:12

first, I would eat all this

46:14

shit for dinner, like all of the bad stuff.

46:17

And then I would like hold it and I would go

46:19

to sleep and I'd wake up in the guy's office an

46:21

hour away and I'd drive really, really fast and

46:24

break some laws and if I got pulled over, which I didn't,

46:26

I'd be like, I have to pee. Anyway, and I get to

46:28

his office and I'd run in and I like pee in a

46:30

cup and then they didn't check me after

46:32

like three, this is dumb. Like,

46:34

can I get some lidocaine? And so I have

46:36

all the filters and stuff. And you

46:38

can anyone could do this at home. So if you're

46:40

like, you know, really desperate and have really

46:43

strong allergies and you don't have the budget for this stuff, it

46:45

is possible to do it. But I think you want to work

46:47

with a doctor to learn how to do

46:49

that kind of stuff. So there's something going on

46:51

P. Ira betas does or some with P, but

46:53

you're just not into it. I'm

46:56

not into it. No, I'm not judgmental

46:58

about it. I think that's a really cool story.

47:00

At that big, if I was really, I don't

47:03

know if that if it was a girlfriend's

47:05

medica, but if I was really struggling with

47:07

allergies, like, you know, you try what you

47:10

have to try. Right? So I'm not judgmental

47:12

or opposed to it. I just personally am

47:14

not doing it. I'm, I'm judgmental. I'm

47:16

just to be clear. It's more fun that way.

47:18

Yeah, I just don't judge people out loud so

47:21

they can always be wondering because you know, that's

47:23

just more fun. No. The

47:26

other thing is all the companies that have those porta

47:28

potties for events and all that stuff, they sell your

47:30

P because it has all kinds of expensive useful stuff

47:32

in it. No, they do not. They

47:34

totally do. They concentrate the P

47:36

and then they're they're selling a ton

47:38

of stuff that's in there,

47:41

including some like antibodies and things like that.

47:43

So I'm like, that doesn't seem very fair, because I'm

47:46

not getting my cut of the P profits. So

47:48

I just kind of go on the

47:50

feet, which solves the problem. So I

47:53

don't know. You're joking about

47:56

the feet for about like, I do

47:58

not. They

48:00

do knife. They do with the dollar

48:02

not making us that v on the seat. I

48:04

never gems it on purpose and but ama guys

48:06

are sunset might not happen when time when I

48:09

wasn't paying attention but. I'm

48:11

for in truthfulness. If you look around,

48:13

get there is a major source of

48:15

profits for the for the Body companies

48:17

and even the discovery us Phosphorus. Way

48:20

back in the days of Alchemy and

48:22

were just figuring out Natural Philosophers society

48:24

and understanding the basis of biochemistry. They

48:26

discovered Phosphorus from the Kings Stables. And

48:29

then they would send people are and to collect chamber pots

48:31

to get enough. Peter boils down to make the glow in

48:33

the dark stuff that must make you live forever because he

48:36

didn't. Allow

48:38

about the top of that tests as sunglasses

48:40

and for the party is that. Yeah,

48:42

well my sunglasses and their to. The

48:46

you know I'm having to me the other

48:48

day was free. Horrible. I got out of

48:50

my jeep and my phone father my pocket

48:52

into the gutter and there's like an inch

48:55

and a half of. Slimy,

48:57

Black gutter water. Like.

49:00

This of like I'm not put my hand in there because

49:02

there's probably a needle. I. Like that bad

49:04

and you don't I couldn't find of

49:06

my first right do here. So.

49:09

Eventually. The

49:11

a gutter diving was required was terrible.

49:14

I. Sterilized my phone at all costs area.

49:17

Not a fortified I would have just left. Or

49:20

right. Aren't like about something

49:22

else is in your book Since we got

49:24

distracted by all the weird an anti inflammatory

49:26

stuff that no one hears about. Less.

49:30

Sigma Metabolic Syndrome and it's role in

49:33

infamy. she does. He keep going to

49:35

it and your buck. Really? that's. Five

49:38

So Metabolic Syndrome What is it? And

49:40

why is because? Information. On

49:43

and I'm and basically an inability to

49:45

handle said are you a son is

49:47

a major role and I. Fell.

49:49

Reason that either the imbalance and

49:51

information nearby be a good at

49:53

the really and past your sugar

49:55

and insulin levels your hunger is

49:58

gonna power. Then. Why?

50:00

your hormones and we all of the

50:02

this is hop online philly and has

50:04

your overall health and wellness. Can.

50:09

I. Look at inflammation this cause metabolic

50:11

li as your body was supposed

50:13

to take. Sugar.

50:16

Or protein or fads. Hopefully not protein, but

50:18

as a backup they can do that. I'm

50:21

and. An air and combined and

50:23

make those electricity and heat like we talked about earlier.

50:26

And if it sucks at doing

50:28

that, There's. A problem. And

50:31

then it does. The. Krebs

50:33

Cycle. Or. The sitter gases

50:35

I causes know this is the thing that makes

50:37

a T V instead of ending up with an

50:39

eighty be it throws off. Of. Information.

50:42

Joseph. Electrons where they shouldn't be.

50:45

And. It causes a biscuit. What a

50:47

habit! And the causes a

50:49

metabolic syndrome was because the cell softer

50:51

because the environment socks. And. Heard

50:53

a earlier you said. That at a

50:56

not really a bio hacker with the definition of

50:58

i can change the environment around unified he is

51:00

so you have control, Real biology. And

51:02

I like a kid like the core belief

51:04

that them. It as in it's

51:07

a mix of longevity and epigenetics and sports

51:09

performance in Irvine Snow. But really? Everything.

51:12

In your vitamins has signaled your body to do

51:14

something and that's why. A lecturer at a forum,

51:16

The American Academy of Anti Aging Medicine and all

51:18

to the alignment with some Some medicine is so

51:20

good but it also means you have to sleep.

51:23

And some doctors are mostly the meantime asleep

51:25

right? But allow doctors don't come out of

51:27

the medical realm as last else or want

51:29

to bring a saw the gather. It's commitments.

51:32

regret everything in our environment. And.

51:34

It's it's an exciting because the means we

51:36

can talk about everything from sleep to a

51:38

hormone panel to up T right? Like is

51:41

all and Mary doesn't matter. like like we're

51:43

gonna make ourselves better. It all

51:45

have the cool thing to me that

51:47

you don't have to do everything on anything,

51:49

profit and all to make a difference in

51:52

your lifestyle. Oh I see for example a

51:54

different up I already. Have a three

51:56

year old, a four year old, and a six year old. My sleep is

51:58

not on point right now. But

52:01

that's okay because there are other

52:03

things that I'm doing that do boost my body. You

52:05

don't have to be perfect all the time. You

52:07

don't have to do every single little thing that you've heard of.

52:10

You can pick and choose in your season

52:12

of life and what your severity of inflammation

52:14

is, what you're really focused on at that

52:16

time so that you can have more of

52:18

a long-term lifestyle

52:21

habit type of situation and have tools

52:23

in your pocket to balance your body.

52:25

Because sleep is very important and

52:28

it's definitely not something that I am able

52:30

to prioritize fully in this season of my

52:33

life. But that does not mean that I

52:35

have to be gaining 40 pounds

52:37

and irritable and bloated and falling asleep in the

52:39

afternoon. So there are other things that you can

52:41

do to boost your body. So

52:44

do you just get soundproofing for the kid's bedroom? Is

52:46

that how you boost your body? No,

52:49

I just told you. They cry and I go

52:51

to their bed. I'm

52:53

not. Don't follow me for mother. I

52:56

was hoping you would not say that because

52:58

that's mean kids when they're crying out. There's

53:00

a reason my kids slept with at least

53:02

one parent when they were young. Oh yeah.

53:05

I'm always waking up. Somebody asked me on an interview

53:07

the other day, like, what's your morning routine? I'm like,

53:09

well, I wake up in my daughter's bed. She usually

53:11

tells me, mom, it's waking time because she woke up

53:13

in the middle of the night and I ended up

53:15

there. Yeah. And

53:18

people who don't have kids often

53:20

just don't understand. I

53:23

have a couple of friends in one of my friend

53:25

groups. They're early thirties

53:27

and the first in the group to have kids. And

53:29

it's just so funny watching it. I went through all

53:31

this, right? And

53:34

all of a sudden, like, oh my God, the things I used to

53:36

do just don't work anymore. And then all the other friends are like,

53:38

why are my friends not around? I'm like, because they're never sleeping. Yeah.

53:43

And so if you're listening, if you're listening

53:45

and one of your kids just had one

53:47

of your friends just had kids for the

53:49

first time, it's actually your job to go hang out

53:51

with your friends because they're not going to call you anymore. Like,

53:53

they just aren't, they can't manage it. And they're tired. Just like

53:55

come over and hang and they'll be like, oh my God, I

53:58

saw an adult. It's so nice. But

54:00

no, it's accurate. It's accurate.

54:03

What are the things you can do to maintain

54:06

your health and energy if you're not getting

54:08

enough sleep because you're a new parent? Nutrition

54:11

is my number one. That's an easy

54:14

no brainer for me. I enjoy eating

54:16

healthy. I like eating nourishing foods that

54:18

boost my nutrients. I can literally envision

54:20

it just flooding my

54:22

body with goodness. When

54:26

I'm extra tired, I'm seeking extra

54:28

nourishing foods. I'm on purpose not

54:30

seeking the donuts, the ice creams,

54:32

the things like that because I know that's

54:35

going to make me feel even worse. I've

54:37

been there and I don't judge you if you're still there.

54:39

I've been there where the comfort food is what I would

54:42

seek if I had a bad night's sleep or I was

54:44

irritable or tired or had a big decision to make. I

54:46

used to do that. I don't do that anymore. It took

54:48

a long time to get to that point. Nutrition

54:51

number one is I always say just

54:53

flooding my body with nutrients. I am

54:55

extra tired or extra irritable or I

54:57

know I'm pushing my body to the

54:59

limits because I'm an entrepreneur and sometimes

55:02

that requires that. Sometimes

55:04

like with red eye flights or whatever it

55:06

is, I'm nourishing my body extra. Food

55:10

is number one to me. I'm

55:13

with you. If you're going

55:15

to invest in one thing, even if the

55:17

budget's tight, it's food quality. It doesn't have

55:19

to be perfect. It just has to be better than it

55:21

is. What's

55:23

more important? Avoiding toxins in food or

55:25

making sure that there are more minerals

55:27

in the food or more nutrients. I

55:32

would say more nutrients.

55:36

Really? Yeah, because

55:39

you need the nutrients. Well,

55:43

if the alternative is

55:45

toxic food versus nutrients, obviously, you

55:47

need the nutrients to heal, to give

55:50

your body that energy, to be able

55:52

to detox from toxins. For

55:54

example, I'd rather you have a non-organic raspberry

55:57

than not have the raspberry at all. I

56:00

do think that that would be my answer for that. I

56:04

would be like, don't you know raspberries

56:06

are as high in spinach? I

56:09

would say don't you know raspberries are as

56:11

high as spinach and oxalic acid? And

56:13

that there's a huge number of women

56:16

who think they have interstitial cystitis who

56:18

actually just have oxalate poisoning from eating

56:20

two bowls of raspberries and some spinach,

56:22

almond, whatever every day. What would you

56:24

say to that? I would say

56:26

variety is key and everything

56:28

in moderation. I'm big on like a buried into

56:30

birthday. I don't think I have spinach today. I

56:32

don't think spinach is bad. I

56:35

think that yeah, no. You

56:39

chose weakness today. No,

56:42

I chose to nourish my body. So I

56:44

have a very nourishing mindset around food because

56:46

I used to not and that used to

56:48

be a huge issue for my body and

56:50

a huge contribution to inflammation. So

56:53

you know, spinach is

56:55

not bad in my opinion. You

56:58

eat spinach all day every day and the only

57:00

green you ever eat, the only vegetable you ever

57:02

eat spinach in, yes, that is going to turn

57:04

into a negative impact. So very into first. So

57:09

everything in moderation that includes like mercury

57:12

and aluminum. No, that's for health food.

57:15

Oh, okay. For health foods. For

57:17

real foods, fruits, veggies, meats,

57:19

fish, nuts, seeds, oils, but

57:21

then variety. So canola oil

57:23

is totally a good one in moderation,

57:25

right? Which one? No,

57:28

so the anti-inflammatory types

57:30

of food. Okay. So

57:33

spinach good, canola oil

57:35

bad. Just

57:39

looking for logical consistency here. Actually,

57:41

no, I'm not big on good and bad

57:43

food. So true. Like

57:45

if you have an item that's made with

57:48

canola oil or even sunflower oil, that's not

57:50

the end of the world. What

57:52

would be the end of the world is long term

57:55

inflammatory choices, negative

57:58

mindset towards food, stress, and food. I

58:00

think it actually more harmful to be

58:02

overly stressed about your food places bands

58:04

eat. The food itself added bad. So

58:06

I have a very jeffrey. Approach to

58:09

think you nailed it. Actually, it's

58:11

It's not that is good or

58:13

bad. And. I had a a really

58:15

good conversation when my kids about this. If

58:17

is good or bad, it's a moral failing

58:19

as well. You're worth as a human being.

58:22

And. If it's at her for you or worse

58:24

for you. Are compatible with

58:26

your biology? Are not compatible? Then it's

58:28

just a decision or maybe even a

58:30

mistake. right? I. Made

58:33

a decision that was an optimal will ever been.

58:36

So. You lose a lot of the the shame

58:38

and guilt and it's absolutely true. If.

58:41

You're terrified of eating something that

58:43

might have glyphosate and as. Your.

58:47

Primary terrified all the time because there is

58:49

guy for their almost everything in North America.

58:52

Righteous. It's a question of the amounts.

58:54

At so. That. Said you

58:56

probably find some foods like would say

58:59

you have enough lactic response to peanuts.

59:02

Yeah. Probably shouldn't need those. right?

59:05

And. You will identify as soon as

59:07

you go down the path, in each to

59:10

treat or the ball to diet or in

59:12

any of the things we have become conscious

59:14

of. You've had some food every single time

59:16

you eat them. you pay. Like

59:18

those are ones you avoid. Anything. To

59:20

be afraid of them. If. You are starving

59:22

to death. Would you eat? You know,

59:24

the worst fast food ever. Of course you it, and

59:26

you'd be grateful for it, even if you were inflame

59:28

the next day was. But I'm starving the next day,

59:30

right? So. Peacefulness.

59:33

About your decisions even if they're not perfect.

59:36

You. To for perfectionism in food. Super

59:38

toxic but maybe not succeed. Spinach and

59:40

the subs bad. For

59:42

example, earlier I said super

59:44

Super Fit Fitness fire she'll

59:47

actually thought liable. if

59:49

you are so perfect fit into your

59:51

and either so worried about everything i

59:53

mean i've even how quaint little worried

59:56

about setting aside and that that's i've

59:58

had that stop that not going to

1:00:00

meet you a healthy, vibrant, fulfilling life.

1:00:03

And that's going to lead to more guilt,

1:00:05

shame, worry about living. And like, we're

1:00:07

here to live and have an awesome

1:00:09

life. And so we're really just

1:00:12

focused on in general, choosing things that

1:00:14

are anti-inflammatory for your body, that you

1:00:16

don't need to, I had a client

1:00:18

one time, literally take the time

1:00:20

to apologize to me because they had, I think it

1:00:22

was a piece of pie at their

1:00:24

family gathering. And I'm like, dude, do not

1:00:26

apologize. Like, piece of pie. It

1:00:29

wasn't good, but fine. Like you should just be

1:00:31

enjoying a moment, you know, being joyful

1:00:33

about the people around you. Imagining

1:00:36

that pie, filling you with joy and abundance and

1:00:38

all that good stuff. Like, yes, it's

1:00:41

not ideal to eat that every day all day.

1:00:43

It is going to cause inflammation. But the worry

1:00:45

and the guilt and the shame associated with the

1:00:47

fear of that food is way worse in my

1:00:49

opinion. I always

1:00:51

deal with this, new employees who work for me.

1:00:53

I've got many dozens of people on

1:00:55

the teams for different companies. We

1:00:57

go out for a meal. I'm like, oh

1:00:59

my God, what did I order? Dave's

1:01:02

watching it. Like, I actually

1:01:04

really truly don't care. And

1:01:07

it's not that I don't care about you, I do care

1:01:09

about you, but I also value

1:01:11

my time. And for me to spend my

1:01:13

time judging what other people eat is

1:01:16

lame, right? And am I

1:01:18

going to, if I'm catering, am I gonna

1:01:20

buy crap foods that cause inflammation? No, I'm

1:01:22

not. I'm gonna spring for the good stuff. But if

1:01:24

we're at a restaurant and you wanna order some french fries and

1:01:26

beer, that's what you eat as long as your body is working.

1:01:29

I don't, it's up to you,

1:01:31

right? It's just, it's fine. So

1:01:34

learning to be at peace with making

1:01:36

a decision that isn't perfect is awesome

1:01:38

while not being addicted.

1:01:42

And it feels like so many people, it's

1:01:44

not just perfectionism, it's guilt. Because

1:01:46

they're saying, I wanted to do this, but I

1:01:49

did this. And then you feel a disconnection. Do

1:01:52

you have a reason why our

1:01:54

body does one thing in our mind

1:01:56

that wants another? Well.

1:02:00

Inflammation, I guess. So it's, you

1:02:03

know, it's harder to make those decisions that you

1:02:05

want to make when your body is not feeling

1:02:07

well. And then it kind of

1:02:10

it takes I guess, you know, sometimes maybe

1:02:12

then hitting rock bottom to get to the

1:02:14

point of changing your entire belief system around

1:02:16

stuff like for the food example, you know,

1:02:18

my belief system in fear of food or

1:02:20

cutting out entire food groups or whatever it

1:02:22

was that I was doing. I had

1:02:24

to completely solve that and completely shift

1:02:26

to I then focus on I eat

1:02:29

for energy. I eat to nourish my

1:02:31

body. I like I love eating. I

1:02:33

love this food. This tastes so good.

1:02:35

And, you know, over time,

1:02:38

then it's easier than your body becomes your own. But

1:02:41

when you're in that moment, you

1:02:43

can't you can't make sense of it if

1:02:45

you told yourself, I'm not going to eat gluten

1:02:47

for seven days and you do. And you're like,

1:02:49

Oh, my God, why ruin my street? You

1:02:51

know, you can't make sense of it in that moment. So

1:02:53

you can just do the best that you can

1:02:56

prioritize on your mindset and make it fun. It's

1:02:59

a status upgrade to enhance your health

1:03:01

and to embark on a healing journey.

1:03:03

So make it upon and as

1:03:05

an upgrade versus something you have to do

1:03:07

or restricted. Every

1:03:10

now and then it's a really good idea to punch

1:03:12

yourself in the face. Just

1:03:14

remind yourself what it feels like. I

1:03:17

did this last week. I

1:03:19

went out to this restaurant in Austin called died

1:03:21

Dewey and I love him. It's a former butcher

1:03:23

shop turned into a restaurant

1:03:26

and it's like all wild,

1:03:28

whatever this and just like

1:03:31

the most amazing meats and

1:03:33

not a lot of vegetables, which I approve of. But

1:03:36

they also serve like mushrooms with

1:03:38

egg raw egg yolk on sourdough.

1:03:41

I'm sure it was homemade organic sourdough or whatever.

1:03:43

I don't eat bread. I haven't had bread in the

1:03:46

US in 20 years, but I'll maybe

1:03:48

if I'm in Europe, I'll have a little bit with

1:03:50

some enzymes. I'm like, I'm gonna have two bites of

1:03:52

sourdough. I wake

1:03:54

up the next morning. I'm like, Oh, look, there's the

1:03:57

knee pain that I had all through my teens and

1:03:59

it's back. In one of freaking night. and

1:04:01

it's in a specific part of both knees. And I

1:04:03

know that's. Where. Elections

1:04:05

or whatever the heck from American. we just gets

1:04:07

me. And and still sore

1:04:09

week later. And okay, that was

1:04:11

a reminder. Why don't you ever took me twenty

1:04:14

years to get it? So. I

1:04:16

recommend anyone listening. If.

1:04:18

If you're sort of certainly feel guilty by first to

1:04:20

go out and just do it. With. You all

1:04:23

this stuff that you know is bad and just. Way.

1:04:25

God and spend a weekend? Hell inspect. That's

1:04:27

why I do it. So. Years. It's

1:04:29

not about perfection, but it is. Obstacle.

1:04:33

And. That your now making a choice for your

1:04:35

body and for your mind and for your information

1:04:37

and for everything. And because

1:04:39

you want to feel that. And.

1:04:42

You another the season. And

1:04:44

you may get depressed or angry or yell

1:04:46

at your partner. Not coincidental happens from food.

1:04:49

I'm a final question for you.

1:04:52

If. Inflammation in such a big deal? Aspirin,

1:04:56

Or Ibuprofen approx

1:04:58

and. Nonsteroidal,

1:05:00

Anti inflammatories. I

1:05:03

just kind of it out of it. Has.

1:05:06

A tenant I am not against pharmaceutical I

1:05:08

think that at a time and place and

1:05:10

and I've had three these accent and I

1:05:12

definitely needed help with information. They're in pain

1:05:15

threshold. For a big farmers occupation

1:05:17

of the Us government saying I

1:05:19

really appreciate that Maggie. Is

1:05:21

my six year older than a path? That

1:05:23

and everything to the hospital with a broken

1:05:25

leg and I confess and. I'm

1:05:27

on board that name. Then. The.

1:05:30

Young girls are lovely like they're so you how

1:05:32

does don't have all the time? I am so

1:05:34

with you on that front sight my my trying

1:05:36

to elicit a response. there was nobody plays He

1:05:38

didn't take the bait a you never take the

1:05:40

bait. On. Ever.

1:05:43

Fly. Guess I did ensemble Lisa some. Time

1:05:47

and place or medications and obviously a

1:05:49

long term pharmaceutical is not the that

1:05:52

option. Last at you're thinking something like

1:05:54

an aspirin, a tylenol, everything all day.

1:05:56

The issue sell their that any get

1:05:59

like that. Had a mini sub when

1:06:01

I funny for my doctors are ignoring my symptoms

1:06:03

ignoring my than dumb I would find out something

1:06:05

is not right that they had my lads were

1:06:07

normal it's just that brewing and brewing and bring

1:06:10

in and zoom the big thing of your to

1:06:12

say eternal every day all day but the issues

1:06:14

are so they're. You're. You're You're

1:06:16

not fixing the problem. It's still there

1:06:19

underneath the hide. It's not looking that.

1:06:21

I. Have is a google ram

1:06:23

that that's the issue and so that's

1:06:25

life and great. Just rely like that's.

1:06:27

not going to have. Knew that halfway

1:06:29

into rivers a heavy metal plasticity a

1:06:31

guy issues the hormone imbalance as not

1:06:33

going to help with your root cause

1:06:35

of the com patients. Are experiencing. First.

1:06:38

Be on the tylenol. And

1:06:41

this of really toxic. It is of of

1:06:43

information new a bit the the newer studies

1:06:45

in kids you never get a good sonos

1:06:47

far as I'm concerned. And as

1:06:49

an adult. The. Only time

1:06:51

I ever take tylenol is because it's packers with

1:06:53

podium and you can get a package or something

1:06:55

else in the U S. A tunnel is that

1:06:58

bad for you to get a handful of good

1:07:00

as I on every time I take it. I

1:07:02

was very very rarely. But. Aspirin

1:07:05

Especially one or two

1:07:07

baby aspirin. It

1:07:10

increases he production from your mitochondria against in

1:07:12

the blood in a benefits away and if

1:07:15

you paired with are histamine to blocker

1:07:17

like absurd a C which means that you

1:07:19

have to take or something like but

1:07:21

you need Clc digest food if you do

1:07:23

all those in order you won't get bleeding

1:07:25

in the got. And

1:07:28

you may get an improvement in

1:07:30

fat loss and improvement in cognitive

1:07:32

function and reduction. information. Hundred.

1:07:34

Everyday What I do. it. Once or

1:07:36

twice a week or five and a needed it. I'm

1:07:39

not opposed to it because it turns out

1:07:41

aspirin plus caffeine Eagles resolve migraine faster than

1:07:43

almost any other drug out there because of

1:07:45

the changes in blood flowing might have hundreds

1:07:47

of still going on about. It. Isn't

1:07:49

a good is what is daily aspirin? Do it. I

1:07:51

gotta read. Defeat

1:07:54

their vitamins and nutrients especially than and

1:07:57

be. in a sense and

1:08:00

I joke sometimes my clients sometimes they

1:08:02

feel built around medication and and

1:08:04

sometimes I joke like you know There's

1:08:06

some things that a lavender bath just

1:08:08

isn't gonna fix right now, you know

1:08:10

Sometimes you need something to help bridge

1:08:12

that gap to getting well I'm

1:08:16

I'm with you there and Just

1:08:19

a shout out. This is from sandy in the

1:08:21

upgrade collective and if you're listening the upgrade collective

1:08:23

is my mentorship group It's dirt cheap to join

1:08:26

just go to our upgrade collective.com and you could

1:08:28

be Commenting and chatting with me on video on

1:08:30

zoom right now instead of listening to

1:08:32

this in your car or something But Sandy

1:08:35

says don't buy Bayer because it's

1:08:37

evil When you're talking

1:08:39

about aspirin and given that Bayer owns Monsanto

1:08:42

Sandy I think you have a point there.

1:08:44

So I'm by the generic aspirin Oh, but

1:08:46

then don't buy the Amazon brand generic aspirin

1:08:49

because they're just as evil. So it's like

1:08:51

your poison I There's

1:08:54

like a brand I don't know if you know a

1:08:56

lot about it, but there's a brand that I would

1:08:58

choose I haven't researched

1:09:01

too heavily into it. Genexa that

1:09:03

makes these pharmaceuticals without the food

1:09:05

dyes and the different additives Genexa,

1:09:08

all right. I'm gonna check those guys out if they're

1:09:10

legit. I'll bring it up on a show because

1:09:14

It's funny in 2008. I co-launched

1:09:17

a medical lab testing company that

1:09:20

we were looking for Non

1:09:22

antibody mediated inflammation in response to implant

1:09:24

materials and environmental toxins we could see

1:09:26

if you your white blood cells went

1:09:28

crazy in the presence of mercury or

1:09:31

something and The

1:09:33

test was designed Because a

1:09:36

researcher I think it lacks.

1:09:38

So one of the big things They're

1:09:40

having such bad side effects from one of their new drugs

1:09:42

They're going to cancel it and that is like hey,

1:09:44

I developed a test It's the colorings that you're

1:09:46

putting in there that's causing all the problems It's

1:09:49

not even your drug and they were so grateful.

1:09:51

They gave the lady the patent and then took

1:09:53

it to the US So

1:09:55

yeah, like the the colorings and all

1:09:58

if you're taking regular pharmaceuticals, great So

1:10:00

I also got that new company in between that

1:10:02

company. Yeah, you shouldn't My

1:10:06

family so sometimes there is any so

1:10:08

the thing is that they replace all of

1:10:10

the standard pharmaceuticals that you would need But

1:10:13

they don't do it with any food coloring

1:10:15

for dyes or additives that are not needed

1:10:17

It's literally just the pharmaceutical. I'm gonna

1:10:19

check those guys out That sounds like such a good

1:10:21

idea like who would have thought clean pharmaceuticals. Maybe there's

1:10:23

such a thing So thank you for bringing that to

1:10:25

all you're welcome Maggie

1:10:28

your book is awesome And

1:10:30

there's another chapter we didn't get into

1:10:32

about detoxifying your environment Followers

1:10:34

will will recognize things. Oh, you mentioned red

1:10:36

light therapy. You're totally a bio hacker Pecating

1:10:42

rhythm emf bio hacker bio hacker

1:10:44

bio hacker. I'll need to update my bio

1:10:46

You know, it's funny actually when I was in college

1:10:48

I said like I was eating kind of healthy so

1:10:50

in college I was paleo But if paleo didn't really

1:10:52

like exist then and I was like, oh my gosh

1:10:55

I'm paleo. Like I hadn't no

1:10:57

idea that's just naturally how I was Eating

1:11:00

and doing and things but yeah, I

1:11:02

guess I'm a little You

1:11:05

had problems early on and people you know, you're having

1:11:07

hormone issues even at 18 I had issues younger too

1:11:09

So when you're young and things aren't working you become

1:11:11

a bio hacker and that's why almost everyone young today

1:11:13

as a bio hacker And they're

1:11:15

finding the stuff in the bio actually

1:11:18

work. Oh my gosh, this is life-changing Yeah, I'm writing

1:11:20

all my stuff as if I was gonna read it

1:11:22

when I was 19 So would have made that big

1:11:24

of a difference just more people did So

1:11:26

I think you definitely count as an honorary bio

1:11:28

hacker and that means two things Number

1:11:31

one people should get your book eat to treat

1:11:33

and check it out because your framework for inflammation

1:11:35

and your quiz are new Contributions

1:11:37

to the field. I like those and

1:11:39

secondly, you should come to the biohacking conference.

1:11:42

It's at biohackingcommerce.com It's

1:11:44

at the end of May and beginning of

1:11:47

June in Dallas and there's about 3,000 people

1:11:49

showing up Lots

1:11:51

of functional medicine doctors and you get to meet

1:11:53

all the people making all the products and all

1:11:55

the cool stuff So right up your alley

1:11:57

and of course, I'm gonna be happy to see you You're

1:12:02

inviting me to the event. I would love to come to the Bio-Hats. I'll

1:12:05

get your ticket, okay? I'll send you a pass. I'd

1:12:07

love. I'll be there. So I hope if you're listening, you'll

1:12:09

come too and we can all meet each other. Cool.

1:12:13

Thank you so much for being on the show. And

1:12:16

my friends, thank you for listening

1:12:18

to the show. I hope this

1:12:20

was fun. And I apologize, I

1:12:23

guess, in... what's the word for after you do

1:12:26

something? I normally apologize

1:12:28

in advance for offending people, so

1:12:30

I'm apologizing post-advanced for

1:12:32

all of the horrifying yet

1:12:34

medically useful commentary about Pete.

1:12:37

I love it. All

1:12:41

right, Maggie, I will see you at the

1:12:43

conference. And if you're listening, I'll see you

1:12:45

at the conference too. biohackingconference.com, the

1:12:47

10th annual, the conference that launched the entire

1:12:49

movement, and it'll be more fun than you've

1:12:51

ever seen. I'm

1:12:53

so excited. Thanks for having me, Dave,

1:12:55

and everybody for listening in. It was

1:12:57

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