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You're listening to the human upgrade with Dave

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Asprey. Formerly

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Bulletproof Radio. You're

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listening to the human upgrade with

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Dave Asprey. We're

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going to talk about yoga,

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Indra today, with

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an experienced yoga teacher and author

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with 20 years of experience. Her

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name is Tracy Stanley. Tracy,

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welcome to the show. Thank you so

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much, Dave, for having me. I'm happy to be here. You

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came to my attention because I've

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had a pretty deep yoga practice

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for a good number of

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years. I'm not super active in yoga right

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now, but I think it still benefits me.

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I learned a lot of my initial breath

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work stuff there, and I can

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still do yoga poses that most people

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can't because it gets built into your

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body. Maybe I'll do more. I

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came across your Radiant Rest book, which

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is so important. A lot of biohacking isn't

1:10

about pushing harder. You see all these bros,

1:14

frankly, like, you got to lift

1:16

more. Actually, no, whether you're a

1:19

man or woman, quite often, you're

1:21

over training. You're pushing really hard

1:23

and you're never recovering. The body

1:26

goes, you know, push hard, recover,

1:28

push hard, recover. And

1:31

so when you write a book about recovery, it's harder

1:34

to get people's attention because it's not as sexy to

1:36

say, well, you need to chill versus like, let's

1:39

go. What made

1:41

you write a book about rest? That's

1:43

a great question. So much

1:47

like you, I've also noticed that

1:49

people don't want to slow down

1:51

and they want to do more, and they

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feel like In order to be productive, they

1:55

have to do more. They have to be

1:57

in the grind. They can't fall behind. I

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started noticing all of these different messages

2:03

that we kind of get from our

2:05

culture around. Keep it going! Are you

2:07

gonna fall behind? And

2:09

what I remembered was that

2:11

when I was a film

2:13

producer. Years. Ago I

2:16

was the Hollywood film producer. I

2:18

was making big action movies. And.

2:21

Everyone would always ask me how do you

2:23

stay so rested had he sees so com

2:25

how do you do so many things when

2:27

everybody. Else has one or two different

2:30

plates spinning. how are you spending all

2:32

of these different place and doing it

2:34

so well? And what I would have

2:36

said back then was my secret weapon

2:39

with yoga Nedra. I actually

2:41

was introduced to that practice in

2:43

Two thousand and One, and I

2:45

used it. As a half. Before

2:48

I knew the word. Bio

2:51

Hacking or has it was an

2:53

ancient has no way. it is

2:55

nearly as the original have or

2:57

it's and so I just started

3:00

doing short yoga and address in

3:02

my trailer. At. Home.

3:05

I was working sixteen eighteen hour

3:07

days. And. I've been

3:09

practicing Yoga nedra pretty much daily,

3:11

at least three or four times

3:13

a week at the minimum for

3:15

the last twenty years. And

3:18

so when am I was asked to

3:20

write this book? I was fc approached

3:22

by some bala the publisher and they

3:24

asked me to write the book. I

3:26

thought well. What? Is my

3:28

offering that I have because there are

3:30

a couple. Of books out there on Yogananda.

3:33

But. Not a lot of them and I

3:35

don't think any of them actually talk about

3:37

this message that we get some the over

3:39

culture. That. Mainstream culture. The

3:42

messages around rest that we might

3:44

have received from our parents. Riot.

3:47

That we might have received from. Those.

3:50

To mentors are people that we

3:52

really look up to and so

3:54

I thought that it was really

3:56

necessary. Ceci post Pandemic. That.

3:58

This book nice the to come

4:00

out into the world because what

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I saw at my circles where

4:05

people who were absolutely exhausted. People.

4:07

Who are afraid to take a break?

4:10

And. To be intentional about rest. But they

4:12

would say oh no, but I sleep eight

4:14

hours a night. It's. Like

4:16

sleep is not wrath, Sleep is. A

4:18

biological need, intentional rest and

4:20

practices like Yoga Missouri or

4:22

something completely different. And

4:25

you you went from the radio rest

4:27

idea to to something that is is

4:29

your newest where it. Is. Called

4:32

a Luminous Selves Where you look

4:34

at these sacred practices from yoga,

4:36

the rituals, And. One

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of the secrets of the biohacking movements.

4:41

Reason that I started at the way

4:43

I did and introduced to the road

4:45

is that I know damned well that

4:47

yoga works and I've been to the

4:49

Himalayas a Benjamin carwash. I've been to

4:51

the Andes and and then training and

4:54

different lineages around the world. When.

4:56

You have data from your aura ring

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that validates action practices when millions of

5:01

people are using G in their coffee.

5:03

Oh My. god, that's an ancient I

5:05

are better practice right? But now we're

5:07

showing that it works said the western

5:09

mind that has to believe it works.

5:11

Before we could just look at the

5:13

data. Or. Revoke his try it. Out.

5:16

Where it becomes more accessible. I wanted to prove

5:18

that things like yoga the drip would work

5:20

because now we have enough people doing it and

5:22

recording it and talking about it. When.

5:25

I'd like you to do because

5:27

you come from the lineage of

5:29

as you define yoga, new drugs

5:31

for listeners. and when you're using

5:34

those words and what it means

5:36

at T to do that on

5:38

a daily practice Yeah, so the

5:40

word nedra actually means sleep. And

5:43

at we know that yoga means

5:45

union by it. And

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this idea of yoga Nedra

5:49

is this practice of consciously.

5:52

Where. The body goes into a

5:54

state of deep relaxation or sleep.

5:57

But remains awake and aware.

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So we can think about this idea

6:03

of the brain waves states. And.

6:05

We can think about that right now.

6:07

where in probably this kind of. Low

6:10

to mid beta brain waves because

6:12

we're in this relax conversation, people

6:14

who are listening to this at

6:16

home or maybe and low beta.

6:19

That. If I were to ask you

6:21

to close your eyes. And.

6:23

To lie down. And. To

6:25

start to become aware of the breath

6:27

that's moving into the body right now.

6:30

And the breathless moving out. Me:

6:32

Slowly bring our awareness in word and

6:35

we're moving into this alpha brainless state.

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Yoga neither are allows us to

6:40

become even more relaxed. Where.

6:43

We become. A

6:45

tune to this place that is the

6:47

delta. Brain waves stayed and when we're

6:49

in the delta say it a brain

6:52

ways. We started to move and says

6:54

it's place of. Had a

6:56

between waking and sleeping. The.

6:58

Limonov face and that's the place

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that we kind of train ourselves

7:03

to hover when we're practicing yoga

7:05

Nedra The Some people might be

7:07

familiar with this idea of the

7:09

hypnotized save which is that place

7:11

just before you About the. Fall

7:13

asleep and some of you might. Can

7:16

think back may be too When you were

7:18

school and you were having a lecture and

7:20

you are really tired and all of a

7:22

sudden you were about to nod off and

7:24

there's. That point where you're like,

7:26

oh, it's so blissful. The sleep

7:29

is calling me, but I'm still

7:31

awake. And that's where we

7:33

learn to hover in yoga. Nedra. There.

7:35

Have been on. Different.

7:38

research studies that we're done

7:40

and the first ones were

7:42

done in the early seventies

7:44

that see science has said

7:46

did their first kind of

7:48

research and clinical biofeedback they

7:50

brought in the yogis because

7:52

they understood that they were

7:54

able to hover in these

7:56

places and with they discovered

7:58

was that they could actually

8:00

be producing predominantly Delta

8:03

brainwaves, which basically means that

8:05

you are asleep and

8:07

that you have no awareness of your

8:09

external surroundings.

8:12

But yet they could

8:14

recall with such accuracy

8:16

the conversations that were

8:18

happening between the technicians

8:21

while they were in this state of sleep. So,

8:25

Yoga Nidra is really this

8:27

place that allows our body

8:29

to fall asleep, to rest and

8:32

to heal. But

8:34

it allows us to, in

8:36

some ways we can say fall asleep to the

8:38

ego and awaken

8:40

to the soul. Because when we're

8:42

in that liminal space we have

8:44

so much connection to the unconscious,

8:48

to the dream world. It's

8:52

really a fascinating place to be. That's

8:54

why I teach it. It's

8:57

funny when we talk about

8:59

this. My neuroscience company

9:01

is called 40 years of Zen. And

9:05

the idea is you come in for five

9:07

days and we build our own amplifiers, have

9:09

our own software. It's pretty advanced. And

9:12

we glue electrodes to your head and we

9:14

show you how to access these states. So

9:16

it's a really intense five days of personal

9:18

development. But at the end of it, you

9:21

have brainwaves that look like someone

9:24

who's spent 20 or 40 years meditating

9:27

daily. Because you learn how to

9:29

access with awareness these states. And

9:32

when you get really into the, it

9:36

kind of has to say the

9:38

science behind Yoga Nidra or any

9:40

meditation, there's already science behind it.

9:43

The way science works is you

9:46

observe something, you make a hypothesis, you test

9:48

the hypothesis, and if it works, you do

9:50

it more. And so this

9:53

practice is the result of

9:55

thousands of years of science, whether or not you have

9:57

electrodes that can measure it. Right? Yeah.

10:00

It actually doesn't matter. It's just another proof

10:02

point. So a lot of

10:04

arrogant Western thought is like, well, that's not

10:06

scientific. It's like, no, you're just acting like

10:09

a douchebag. But

10:15

when you get into measuring it, you realize

10:18

Delta is a broad spectrum. You

10:21

can have high-powered Delta brain waves, but if

10:24

they're not orderly or they're at the wrong

10:26

spectrum of Delta or in the wrong part

10:28

of the brain, it doesn't work.

10:30

And maybe it's been 10 years in a cave and you

10:32

finally get it, or you get some feedback and it's much

10:34

faster. And then the

10:37

combination of where in the brain, it's

10:39

almost like which song are you playing with all the

10:42

different brain waves and how do you become a better

10:44

musician with your brain. And it's a

10:46

beautiful thing. I feel lucky to have meditated

10:48

in caves, literally in

10:51

the Himalayas. And also to

10:53

have looked at my brain waves for six months,

10:56

which has me even more convinced that Yauge and Indra

10:58

is a powerful practice, whether or not you ever hook

11:00

something up to your head. And

11:02

you're the example of someone who's like, I just do

11:04

it and it just works. And it's free. It's

11:07

free. That's the thing. It's free.

11:09

And I really appreciate you kind

11:11

of calling back to the original

11:13

spiritual traditions that have been doing

11:16

these practices for millennia and the

11:18

lineages of passing these practices

11:20

on, whether the science has

11:23

caught up to it or

11:25

not, which thanks to people

11:27

like Dr. Richard Miller from

11:29

IREST and the research

11:32

that they've done at Walter Reed Hospital, we

11:34

know that Yauge and Indra works. We

11:38

know that. And at the same

11:40

time, those of us

11:42

who are kind of our own yogis or

11:45

yoginis in our own lab, which is basically

11:47

our little rest nest that we set up

11:49

in our own home. We also

11:51

know it works. People who do Yauge

11:54

and Indra for the first time, they

11:56

always come back most of the time.

11:58

I won't say always. Most of the

12:00

time they come back or come out of the

12:03

Yoganibra and say, what just happened to

12:05

me? Where did I go? I

12:08

went someplace that felt so

12:10

peaceful and so relaxed that first

12:12

of all, I realized That

12:15

I thought I was rested and

12:17

I just realized that I have not been rested

12:20

I just realized and touched what

12:22

real rest and peace feels like

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Um, really cool guys And

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one of them has a two hour

13:44

a day transcendental meditation practice And

13:46

so we were talking about some relatively esoteric

13:48

meditation stuff and I said well, you're breathing

13:51

your feet. What do you mean? Like

13:53

how long you've been meditating? What are you talking

13:56

about? And he had never done a body scan

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meditation before so I

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led him through it and I was actually

14:02

planning to teach him how to breathe into

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his penis because that's like an advanced

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tantric technique and I was like you need to learn how

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the basis like breathing into your heart and expanding the

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field and because this has been such

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a deep part of my practice and the

14:21

forgiveness state that is the

14:23

one I teach at 40 years is then it's

14:25

so based in loving kindness and the open heart

14:28

of things. I'm like oh my gosh we

14:30

have all these people who are like I'm meditating

14:32

but they don't know the different flavors of meditation.

14:34

It's like I'm eating but I only eat Thai

14:36

food. There's no universe out there.

14:39

How common is yoga nidra as a technique compared to

14:41

all the other stuff out there? Oh

14:44

wow. I mean yoga nidra

14:47

is really at the

14:49

beginning stages of being understood

14:51

and practiced. I can

14:53

say in my own kind of eco chamber

14:56

everyone is practicing intentional rest, deep

14:58

relaxation, body scan and yoga nidra

15:01

because people who have been practicing

15:03

yoga for maybe the last five,

15:07

six, seven years they started to

15:09

get a little bit of

15:11

dabs of yoga nidra. But

15:13

what I really love is

15:16

the fact that people who have been

15:18

meditating for a long time and feel

15:20

like meditation is the only place where

15:22

it's at, the spine needs

15:24

to be perpendicular to the floor in

15:26

order to have some sort of experience

15:29

because we're thinking about this idea of

15:31

oh we want kundalini to

15:33

rise. And so that's

15:35

one of the reasons why people love meditation.

15:38

But they don't realize sometimes is

15:41

that yoga nidra amplifies

15:43

your meditation practice and

15:45

takes it to another level. Not

15:49

only does it do that but it actually

15:51

helps you to sleep because

15:53

it teaches you how to Go

15:55

into that. You start to recognize oh

15:57

this is the sleeper's breath. I

16:00

can access this place and I can allow

16:02

myself to sleep. I. Didn't

16:04

see this portal. That.

16:07

Leads to. Who. Knows

16:09

where. And. I find that portal

16:11

so much. Easier when I practice

16:13

yoga nitro every day then if

16:16

I don't. And. So it is.

16:18

At the beginning stages, there's a lot of.

16:21

Talk about things like. Ah

16:23

non Sleep Deep Rest which is

16:26

an acronym that someone created or

16:28

what we are talking about which

16:30

is the original plan.of years and

16:32

never answered. Yoga New Dress. Wow.

16:36

Who would have thought? It's not like you

16:38

know, Difference as Spiritual

16:40

Grooves haven't been borrowing concepts from

16:42

each other on all all the

16:44

time, and. I could I

16:46

get a little bit triggered when

16:48

when she go talked about appropriation.

16:50

Mimic. This is ancient wisdom appropriate

16:52

for. Like. The whole planet get

16:55

again, I'm sure where you're from

16:57

someone from ancient him away in

16:59

practice, that weapons and thousand years.

17:02

A lot. To talk about.

17:05

And if is and friend it for your people.

17:07

Walk a fine whatever. But let's talk about it

17:09

because it's and Borden. Yeah, I think that

17:11

the main thing is. As long as you

17:14

make the acknowledgement of where it comes from

17:16

which I see happening. even when people talk

17:18

about non sleep deep breaths, they're talking about.

17:21

Where. Did where it's coming from. And

17:23

I think we have the knowledge where

17:25

things come from because I I'm a

17:27

geek. I like to research and I

17:29

think if I learn some a technique

17:32

and someone tells me oh I learned

17:34

it from this lineage in this place

17:36

I'm going to do a deep ties

17:38

and when I do. A deep dive

17:41

I find out. Even more that

17:43

was left out of what they were

17:45

teaching. And then I get to get

17:47

even more connected to the practice. One

17:50

of the interviews are just like twelve hundred

17:52

on the shown us up the talks. A

17:54

lot of very wise people was from the

17:57

Harvard professor named Daniel P. Brown. Who.

18:00

I'm. Is one of the top experts

18:03

and hypnosis in the world. but in

18:05

his spare time he translates a thirteenth

18:07

centuries Sanskrit cave meditation instructions, soccer that

18:09

go by other books I've read them

18:11

all the fairly cookbooks were doing. step

18:14

one to this do this and and

18:16

they're very precise. My my God how

18:18

much ancient wisdom. Have. We just

18:20

ignore that just sitting there and scrolls

18:22

and all over the place or trying

18:25

to rediscover it when we could just

18:27

but to the action practices up. And.

18:30

We'll. Surrendered this this really interesting

18:32

thing. Having a hundred crossland I've

18:35

studied with different. Different.

18:38

People all over and your husband.

18:40

My God exists traditional Chinese energy

18:42

medicine thing from five thousand years

18:44

ago. It's almost identical. To. This

18:47

thing that's information monica practice and from

18:49

South America and that you just rather

18:51

these are all part of the human

18:53

instruction manual that were missing. Ah,

18:56

so true. It's so true. Yeah,

18:59

I definitely agree with that, and I

19:01

almost feel like there's a frequency that

19:03

came down at some point and it

19:06

was just translated according to culture. That.

19:08

Has I've seen the same thing? It's like,

19:10

you know, so many of the traditions are

19:13

so similar. I'm and I

19:15

do think that it's time for

19:17

us to go back to the

19:19

simplicity of these things. And

19:21

and you don't need. Tens

19:25

of thousands of dollars to do

19:27

yoga and indra you don't need

19:29

even you know tuner, our consumer

19:31

device missing, or other biking things

19:33

like that. What does work really,

19:35

really well those having a working

19:38

metabolism. And. And I've measured the

19:40

brain waves of people that have some Mct

19:42

oil system, having of a bit of ketone

19:44

and and having works with some of these

19:46

girls when they do it the like. My.

19:49

some money hours which are heroes

19:51

like dirt their clearer i can

19:53

tune in better i can go

19:56

deeper soup self care which includes

19:58

rest in your first book after

20:00

your first book that came out before the luminous

20:03

self, the new book, you're talking

20:05

about that. So if you're rested and you're full powered

20:07

and then you do yoga, nidra, you're like, Oh my

20:10

God, I just went to a new place. Or

20:12

maybe you actually do a Kundalini practice, which

20:14

is not yoga, nidra. And you're like, I

20:16

just had 75 whole body orgasms and I

20:18

can barely talk. They're just not

20:20

the same thing and they're all good, right? Yeah.

20:24

I want to, I want to go back to something that

20:26

you just said about all the devices and

20:28

the things, because what

20:30

I tend to notice is that people are

20:33

willing to pay the $200 or

20:35

$500 for the device, but

20:37

they don't want to do the 11

20:39

minute practice. They feel like

20:41

they don't have the time, right? That

20:44

we, we may have extra resources to

20:46

spend on these other things, but time

20:48

is a resource that people feel like,

20:50

Oh, I don't have time

20:52

to lay down and rest. And

20:55

you know, their newest research has basically shown

20:57

that all it takes is 11 minutes of a daily

21:01

yoga, nidra practice to

21:03

make a difference, to shift how

21:05

you sleep, to shift your memory,

21:07

your, your recall, all of these

21:10

different things that we want for

21:12

productivity. It actually allows you to

21:14

have more ease in life.

21:16

So I do want to just say that if

21:19

people can look at some of the things that they

21:21

waste time doing and that things

21:24

that distract them, and if they can

21:26

just for maybe even seven days as

21:29

an experiment to say, let me

21:31

get rid of the distractions, one

21:33

thing that distracts me every day. And

21:35

let me replace that with yoga, nidra

21:37

on a daily basis for seven days.

21:39

You will definitely see a huge shift

21:41

in your life in seven days. Can

21:45

I offer something that might be helpful for, uh, for

21:48

your followers and students that they

21:50

came across my awareness? Please.

21:56

This is in my, my most recent book and I

21:58

call it the laziness principle. which

22:00

it turns out no one wants to hear

22:02

about laziness. It's repellent, almost like death, even

22:04

though, like, acknowledge that your body

22:06

wants to save energy, and that's a core

22:08

motivation, even though in your mind

22:10

you want to do the hard thing, but your body

22:12

is telling you the couch is more attractive than whatever.

22:16

But we also know the body responds

22:18

really well to saving money

22:20

or time or energy, which is why coupons

22:22

feel so valuable. So if

22:24

you're going to develop a seven-day yoga

22:26

nidra practice, you could say, all

22:28

right, I am going to

22:31

save 45 minutes a day with

22:33

my yoga nidra practice. And you focus, and the body's like,

22:35

yes, 45, three minutes saving time,

22:37

isn't that great? And you go in

22:39

and you spend your 11 minutes, which

22:41

it turns out a 30-minute practice of

22:43

yoga nidra is about two hours of

22:45

deep sleep. So you're basically, I

22:48

don't have to do the sleep, you probably

22:50

will. So you sort of use the thing

22:52

that marketers do with coupons to

22:54

convince your ego that it wants to

22:56

do yoga nidra. What do you think?

23:00

I think anything that we can

23:02

do to convince ourselves to practice

23:04

more self-care and more self-love in

23:06

the form of intentional rest is

23:09

perfect. I like that. Now,

23:12

this is a very serious question about yoga

23:14

nidra. Can you even be

23:16

a yogi if you're not vegan? That's

23:21

such an interesting question. It's

23:26

funny that you say that because I

23:28

remember having this when I first

23:30

started doing yoga, like in

23:33

1995, I remember this was

23:35

a thing like, no, you have to be vegan.

23:37

And then it was like, okay, I'm not only

23:39

going to be vegan, I'm going to be raw

23:41

vegan. I was. I was raw vegan when I

23:43

was a yoga guy. I totally was there. Yeah,

23:46

mine was 2001 though. I was a little behind.

23:48

Okay. And

23:50

you know, I think that that word, yogi,

23:52

is actually very aspirational because when

23:54

we think about the word yogi,

23:57

it really refers to the sage.

24:00

It really refers to the enlightened

24:02

one, right? And so I think

24:04

for those of us who are here on earth

24:07

We have so many many karmas and

24:09

things to work out that we

24:11

just need to do our best And

24:14

I don't think that veganism

24:16

is healthy for every person and

24:18

we all have a different makeup

24:21

um, so You know,

24:24

I would say The answer is

24:26

no, but I also think that

24:28

for a yogi a yogi is the

24:30

sage and they're probably eating very little

24:32

in a cave And someone's just delivering

24:34

a little bit of chai and something

24:38

Yeah, they're operating in caves now that's how

24:40

it i'm

24:43

reminded of a couple things uh,

24:45

I I had a yoga

24:48

teacher after I got back from a trip

24:50

to the Himalayas I spent about three months

24:52

out there went and went around mount kylash

24:55

meditated in Ashrams

24:58

and and it was really learning learning

25:00

new skills. So I'd already

25:02

done a lot of yoga And

25:06

I had been that raw vegan But

25:08

you can't be raw vegan When

25:10

you're there because there's just no food, right?

25:14

I Attended

25:16

a 10-day mostly silent meditation and there's

25:18

a big science five rules No

25:21

killing no lying. No cheating

25:24

No sex and no drugs. I think where it were the rules

25:28

and I

25:30

got to the next the next place down the

25:32

road on this this trip to lasa And

25:35

I talked to the head llama and there's a giant

25:37

yak skin on the prayer bowl Dude,

25:40

you're such a hypocrite and and you've spent

25:43

time in the homos. They like to argue

25:45

and debate like it's not disrespectful Uh,

25:48

and he just laughs right in my face. He

25:50

goes one death feeds everyone

25:53

Mm, Oh my gosh. And I actually talked about

25:55

deaths for calories on a vegan diet. And Not

25:57

only did it make me sick. I was killing

25:59

more. Well than I was aware

26:01

of the hadn't thought about before

26:04

right? And if you looking to

26:06

reduce suffering about being switches the

26:08

core tenet of buddhism you really

26:10

have to consider whether one respectfully

26:12

raise respectfully slaughtered. Cow.

26:14

Or whatever it is. Produces.

26:16

Far less deaths and my suffering. and

26:18

I accidentally. that's good case. There's

26:22

that and is my friends engram. It

26:24

was when my first yoga teachers and

26:26

I had learned this about protein and

26:28

on and he was. A.

26:31

Huge cities classes a day in mid twenties

26:33

and and decided to be vague and because

26:35

that's what yoga teachers out you and he

26:37

was starting to get the brain fog in

26:40

the out in Unionists users can fall apart

26:42

and I just a mammoth do we gotta

26:44

get your back an eye on a smuggler?

26:47

mean and god indeed some thiessen a week

26:49

letters like my energies retrain and I talked

26:51

from years just a couple years ago, just

26:53

randomly on Facebook or something. In the days

26:56

I've been eating this way for twenty years,

26:58

I can still teach seven classes. Day I.

27:00

Have healthy kids like like this is

27:02

so amazing and incitement. My com for

27:04

people are meditators, especially very busy with

27:06

work and meditating. or if you're a

27:09

yoga teacher. Rest like your

27:11

book, say, and fuel yourself in a

27:13

way that respects your energy, whatever it

27:15

is. So, and Kiefer for the conversation

27:17

about that? Yeah, now I totally agree

27:19

with that and I I've had I'm

27:22

In Out. I started eating fish a

27:24

while ago for that exact reason. Death.

27:27

And that allows you both sides air and

27:29

the the end of wherever they are. images

27:31

as butter like the got. A lot of

27:33

vegetarians are eating butter and they're doing okay

27:35

right? So yeah have to be gone in

27:37

the towel. It can be a just and

27:39

be and be questioning and respectful of your

27:41

beliefs with with. Thank

27:44

you for that Are you? is so are. You.

27:47

See some other stuff that that really.

27:50

Is is powerful and in your books. And.

27:54

You. Talk about. Yoga.

27:57

As the practice of preparing to

27:59

digress. And I've gone

28:01

record saying I want to live to Lisa 180

28:03

because I think I can but the real Reason

28:07

behind that is I'd like to die at

28:09

a time and by a method of my

28:11

choosing which in my understanding of the

28:13

world That's a good death. Yeah, tell

28:15

me what is a graceful death? Yeah,

28:19

well, I think a graceful death

28:21

is definitely one in which you

28:23

have Considered

28:26

your last moments of life Way

28:30

Before you learn that you are about to

28:32

die Right

28:34

that you consider the fact

28:37

that even though we like to

28:39

think that we are eternal That

28:41

this body is not eternal But

28:44

that we go back into nature and

28:46

perhaps there is a part of us

28:48

that is eternal and

28:52

So it's one of the reasons why I

28:55

put a couple of death practices

28:57

in the luminous self is

29:00

Because I noticed the reaction

29:02

to people I used to have this practice

29:05

where I would write my own eulogy every

29:07

birthday and That

29:09

eulogy would include all of the

29:12

things that I left undone that

29:14

I really wanted to do and that I had

29:16

regrets around and That

29:20

would fuel me to be able to do

29:22

those things in the coming year And

29:25

I remember telling a few people that

29:27

this was my practice and they were

29:29

horrified Like oh my god, if you

29:31

write your eulogy that seems like bad luck and why

29:33

would you want to do that? I was like, why

29:35

would I not? What would

29:37

happen if I learned tomorrow God forbid

29:40

that? This

29:42

was my last day on earth. Why

29:44

wouldn't I want to live now? from

29:48

However, it would be that I would want to

29:50

be living in that last minute of my life

29:53

And for me when I think about the last minute

29:55

of my life, and this was a

29:57

practice that I was given from

30:00

a teacher named Charlie Morley, he's a

30:02

Buddhist, former Buddhist monk, is

30:05

narrow everything down to the last second of

30:08

your life. What would you do in that

30:11

last second? And

30:13

so when I did that practice, I was like, okay,

30:15

I'm gonna bring that forward. In

30:18

my last second, I wanna love. Yeah,

30:20

what would you do in that last second? You would

30:22

love. I would love. And

30:24

so why wouldn't I not make my

30:26

whole life about love? And

30:29

why, in the other column of things is,

30:32

what would you stop doing if you learned

30:34

today that you had one year left

30:36

to live? What are the things that

30:38

you would stop doing? Well,

30:41

I would definitely stop looking

30:43

at Instagram. I

30:46

would probably stop binging on Netflix. Stop listening

30:49

to podcasts. Oh wait, no, don't do that.

30:51

Maybe depending on the podcast.

30:54

But there would be a lot of things that

30:56

I would stop doing because I have limited time.

30:59

And suddenly everything gets really clear

31:01

about what is really important. And

31:04

if I can devote myself to what's really important

31:06

and who's really important, then my

31:08

life and the here and now and the present starts

31:10

to shift. That's

31:14

really beautiful. And

31:17

people will think

31:19

about almost anything before they'll

31:21

think of death. And

31:23

I've seen books about death and they

31:25

never perform well. And it seems only

31:28

really advanced spiritual people do it. And

31:32

because of whatever spiritual stuff I've

31:34

gone through, I don't

31:36

have any fear of it. I'm kind of

31:38

curious and a little bit joyful. Same as

31:41

having kids, whenever the next time I die,

31:43

oh yeah, it's like a reverse birth. Let's

31:46

see what happens there. And

31:50

the limited experience I have with that kind

31:52

of thing, I had a family member who's

31:54

an atheist. My grandfather passed him.

31:57

He right before he passed. He

32:00

said, you know, I'm

32:02

really, I've been an atheist

32:04

my whole life because I'm a scientist. And

32:08

now that I'm on my deathbed, I've

32:10

been really reconsidering all of the spiritual things

32:12

and all the Christmas stuff. And the whole

32:14

family is leaning in and he goes, and

32:17

I'm more convinced than ever that it's bullshit. And

32:23

he says, but because I'm a scientist,

32:25

he goes, I've never done this before, this dying thing.

32:27

And I'm thinking to myself, I think I have my

32:29

friend, but I'm not going to say anything. And

32:35

he then says, I'm going to leave

32:37

a sign if I can after I die.

32:39

So just look for what I did. You know, I'll do

32:41

what I can. And of course, a

32:43

week later, and I'm not saying he did or didn't

32:45

do this. No one else. No, no, no, there's his

32:47

name was Larry. There's a big billboard that goes up

32:49

in the town where he died. And I have to

32:51

say, no idea. I just said, where's Larry? And there's

32:54

no brand, no logo. And everyone's like, what

32:56

kind of campaign is this? Maybe it was

32:58

I don't really know. And like

33:00

I said, never will. But the idea of you

33:03

can be curious about death or you'd be

33:05

terrified of it. Curiosity stops fear and dying

33:07

in fear and terror. It seems like a

33:09

bad way to go even if life's

33:12

over. So love is a great thing.

33:14

And maybe curious love is a great

33:16

thing, right? Yeah, absolutely. And I

33:18

mean, we really have to come to

33:20

terms with the fact that we are

33:22

closer. You and I right now are

33:24

closer to dying than we were when we

33:26

started this podcast. I

33:29

don't agree. I'm aging backwards. Well,

33:33

you may be aging backwards. And I

33:35

have to come to the upgrade lab

33:37

so I can learn how to age

33:39

backwards too. I'm still joking. But

33:42

we're, but we are, we're closer to

33:44

death. And the more that we look

33:47

at that and know that to be true, we

33:50

can think about what are the practices

33:52

that prepare us to be able to

33:54

release and let go gracefully

33:57

and consciously.

34:00

And Yoga Nidra is actually one of

34:02

those practices. Yoga

34:05

Nidra is a practice of dissolution.

34:08

And that is what happens when we

34:10

die, we dissolve. How

34:14

do we know that that's how it is? All

34:16

the skeptics I've spoken to, including many in

34:18

my family, say, you can't know any of

34:20

that. How do we know? That's

34:23

true. You can't know any of that. But

34:25

what we do know is that the physical

34:27

body does decay. And

34:30

that's a form of dissolution. Fair

34:32

point. Right? Okay, so if

34:35

nothing else, we dissolve back. If

34:38

we were to leave your dead corpse on

34:40

the ground, you would eventually turn

34:42

to dust. And that's

34:44

a dissolution. Now we

34:46

can argue about what happens to consciousness,

34:50

because nobody knows. And

34:53

we can also argue, do

34:55

we choose a new body? Do we choose a

34:57

new something? We can all argue about that. But

35:00

the fact of the matter is that the

35:02

material body, the physical body, is going to

35:04

dissolve. In fact, it doesn't even

35:06

exist anyway. Because you eat

35:08

something, it becomes part of you, you poop some other part

35:10

of you out. And you're like, oh wait,

35:13

I'm actually just more like an Eddie in matter, just

35:15

a slow-moving Eddie that fart. Right. Of

35:18

course it dissolves, because it didn't

35:21

ever exist. There

35:23

you go. Have you ever taken acid? I

35:26

haven't. People always think that I

35:28

do when they read Radiant Rest. They're like, this

35:30

is just what happened to me when I did my acid

35:32

trip. I'm like, no. You could

35:34

meditate. You're not of the Ram Dass

35:36

meditation school. No other psychedelics, no mushrooms,

35:39

no drugs, medicines, okay. One of you. You

35:43

know, I think in the beginning, way

35:46

back when I used to know people who would

35:48

go to Peru, and they would sit

35:51

with a shaman for a long time, long, long time.

35:53

I did it in 1999, yep. Right,

35:56

around that time. And

35:58

it's... I dreamed because I think

36:01

I was in the career that I was

36:03

in at the time as a film producer,

36:05

and I was like, well, I need to stay in

36:08

control of my mind. Right,

36:11

that was definitely the thing. And

36:14

I think the deeper that I got into my

36:16

yoga practice, the more

36:19

I had these mystical experiences

36:22

that I really felt like, I don't think I

36:24

need to do this, because some of the things

36:26

that people are telling me that are happening to

36:28

them, I'm having these

36:30

experiences in these deep meditative states

36:33

and definitely in yoga nidra

36:35

and definitely in doing liminal

36:37

dreaming practices. So

36:39

I feel like I'm

36:41

not called to do any

36:43

of these things right now. It's

36:46

not to say that I would never try plant

36:48

medicine or I would

36:50

never try acid, but

36:52

at this moment, I feel like

36:54

my experiences are so mystical I

36:57

want to know that this is all

37:00

possible in this body without any extra

37:03

help. I

37:05

will say that doing a holotropic

37:08

breathing with Stan Groff, which

37:10

was meant to be a replacement for LSD, but it's

37:12

out of ancient yogic

37:14

practices. It's already evolved.

37:17

That and some of the neurofeedback things that I

37:19

do at 40 years old, I've seen more, or

37:22

I've had more spiritual experiences, to see more

37:24

past lives on that than

37:27

I have from any psychedelic. And I'm

37:29

not opposed to psychedelics. I use them

37:31

consciously. And your advice there, if you're

37:34

not called, maybe don't do it, is

37:36

really important, especially with the more dangerous

37:39

ones like ayahuasca, where

37:41

it's not like it's without risk. But

37:45

there's also a lot of papers

37:47

showing that Buddhist meditation or any

37:49

meditation also has risks.

37:51

People meditate and they go crazy. It's

37:53

even in the very ancient literature.

37:56

So how dangerous is yoga nidra

37:58

versus LSD? Wow.

38:01

Well, that's a great question that

38:03

I can't answer because I haven't

38:05

done LSD. But what I

38:07

can tell you is that traumas can arise

38:10

when you're in a state of deep breath.

38:13

So whether you're doing

38:16

LSD or you're doing some

38:18

yoga practice, the key for

38:20

me is integration, right?

38:23

Is that if you have an

38:25

experience and you have no way

38:27

to integrate that experience, to understand

38:29

that experience, then I think anything

38:31

can become dangerous, right? So

38:34

what I would say is go slow.

38:37

A lot of us want to

38:39

just go, okay, I'm going to burn myself

38:41

in this fire meditate, in this fire of

38:43

time meditation right away. Instead,

38:45

focus on a grounding

38:48

yoga nidza practice where you

38:50

can actually feel and remember

38:52

yourself as the earth and

38:54

that the land of your body is

38:57

the earth and that your consciousness is

38:59

the same as the consciousness of the

39:01

earth. Start there. That's mind blowing

39:03

enough. That will

39:05

change your life when you realize

39:07

that you're not separate from nature. It's

39:12

a common misperception that people

39:14

have. I

39:17

have a friend who said, oh, I

39:19

realize I'm more like some kind of

39:21

tree from the rain forest because it

39:23

has its own ecosystem. I started

39:26

laughing and I'm like, really?

39:28

You think that tree has its own ecosystem,

39:30

do you? It's in the middle

39:32

of a freaking jungle and the fact that it has

39:34

some of its own bugs. No, it's entirely interdependent on

39:37

the world around it and humans are

39:39

the same way, even if we don't like that.

39:41

That's right. What is your, as

39:44

a teacher of yoga nidra, how do

39:46

you teach that interconnectedness as

39:48

a part of the practice? Yeah,

39:51

I mean, I think the first thing that

39:54

we realize when we are practicing

39:56

yoga nidra because we're doing it

39:58

in a supine position. which

40:00

makes it different than meditation, is

40:03

that we're allowing the Earth

40:05

to hold us. And

40:08

when the Earth holds us and we

40:10

tune in to that frequency of the

40:12

Earth, we start to realize that

40:15

there is part of us that

40:17

is made up of the same substance that the Earth

40:19

is. When we start

40:21

to see those little tiny stars of

40:23

light that we place in the body

40:26

and we see our whole inner body

40:28

as a universe or as a constellation

40:30

of stars, we remember

40:32

the universe outside of us and then

40:34

we all of a sudden

40:36

may feel like, oh, my

40:38

body has dissolved and I am the universe.

40:42

And so we have opportunities and

40:44

again, the Rishis who were

40:46

the sages from thousands of years ago,

40:49

they were in nature having

40:51

these realizations of different states

40:54

of consciousness and then trying

40:56

to replicate them with practices.

40:59

So I imagine that at some point

41:01

in a forest somewhere, there was a

41:04

sage realizing that he was the universe.

41:07

Because he was in a forest. Because

41:10

maybe he was under the dark night sky

41:13

and he was gazing up at the stars

41:15

and realized that he was made of

41:17

starlight. And then thousands

41:19

of years later, we get this information

41:21

from research that says, oh, we're

41:24

made of starlight. Have

41:27

you experienced that? Were you meditating and you

41:29

dissolve into the universe? Many

41:32

times. The

41:34

first time I didn't know what the heck happened to me. What

41:38

just happened? My first

41:40

time when I started going

41:42

there, I couldn't see or sense my arms

41:44

and legs. They just went away. And

41:46

I'm like, this is weird. I'm sitting there, I have no

41:48

limbs. And I didn't freak out because

41:50

I had electrodes on my hands. And

41:53

then I'm like, I've got nobody. And then same

41:55

thing. And suddenly you're distributed across everything. But

41:58

it didn't feel scary. It

42:00

just felt like wondrous. Yeah,

42:03

and people who are listening might have had

42:05

this experience in Shavasana, right?

42:08

Where suddenly the teacher is telling

42:10

you, okay, start to move

42:12

your limbs or your fingers. And you

42:15

realize, wait a second, I can't tell where

42:18

my body ends and where the floor

42:20

begins. I feel expansive.

42:22

That feeling of spaciousness

42:24

and expansiveness, that's

42:27

a miracle. Because that's

42:29

really who we are. We get to experience the wholeness

42:31

and the fullness of who we are in these practices.

42:39

It's transformational. If

42:41

you're listening to this and you're

42:43

saying, what are they talking about? Just a lot of

42:45

the universe. That's not

42:48

the goal of meditation.

42:52

Neither is levitation or whatever the heck else you think it

42:54

might be. I guess

42:57

a better way of phrasing this would be, how

43:00

many yoga competitions have you won,

43:02

Tracy? Zero. Yoga

43:06

is not a competition. Yoga

43:09

is a meeting of yourself. It really

43:12

is. It's the practice of meeting

43:14

yourself over and over and over

43:16

again. That's one of

43:18

the most beautiful things that we can do. And

43:22

then when we meet ourselves, we also realize how

43:24

much we have to care for this body. Because

43:28

we fall in love with life. We

43:31

want to devote ourselves to life. And when we

43:33

do that, we want to take care of this

43:36

body. And we

43:38

want to help other people take care of

43:40

their bodies, their creative selves, their

43:42

spiritual selves, their physical selves. It

43:44

becomes way more expansive. I

43:48

like that a lot. Do

43:51

you have a teacher now? Or are

43:53

you sort of your own guru? How does that work? Right

43:57

now, nature is my teacher. What

43:59

does that mean? I mean, you've gone to the forest and

44:01

sit there and birds. Pretty much.

44:05

I recently left Los Angeles. I

44:07

moved to Northern New Mexico. How

44:10

many years, which part is this where I'm from? Just

44:13

North of Santa Fe. Oh,

44:15

wow. Okay. Yeah, that's

44:17

my old centigrams. My

44:20

family's actually from Española in front of my

44:23

family. Oh, so I'm very close to Española.

44:25

Well, ita sopa pia made in tallow for

44:27

me, if you can find one. Oh,

44:29

wow. Yes, I definitely will. Oh. So

44:33

you know how special this land is. I was

44:36

gonna ask you if you moved there because of

44:38

the energetics. Well,

44:41

to be honest, I've originally moved here because

44:43

of a dream. There was a lucid dream

44:46

that came through that showed me where I

44:48

was supposed to be for this next season

44:50

of my life. It's

44:52

a very unique part of the world. And there

44:54

is no place with skies like that. That's for

44:56

sure. Absolutely not. So

44:59

I get to be close to nature and

45:01

learn to be in a

45:03

reciprocal relationship with nature and

45:06

allow nature to teach me and

45:08

to hold me. And that right

45:10

now is this season. I've had

45:12

many teachers, some who I

45:15

still call teacher. And

45:19

it's a combination. But right now I feel

45:22

like I'm really being held by nature. Are

45:25

you incorporating any indigenous

45:27

and Northern New Mexican

45:30

practices now that you're there? Because the practice

45:32

on the land there is different than it

45:34

would be in Tibet. Although the construction's the

45:37

same, the food's the same, the jewelry is

45:39

the same. It's kind of like shocking between

45:41

Navajo and Tibet. Like I feel like I'm

45:43

back where I grew up. Wow,

45:46

that's a different thing. So are you

45:48

incorporating local things? I'm

45:51

not. I feel like those

45:53

practices are special for

45:55

the indigenous culture here. I

45:59

definitely... I feel like yoga is my first

46:01

language. I have been

46:04

studying eco-therapy and eco-psychology

46:06

and spiritual ecology. And

46:09

those are definitely based on

46:11

many of the indigenous traditions.

46:15

And so I'm also connecting to some

46:17

of the traditions from Africa that come

46:19

from the Dagorah tribe in West Africa,

46:22

because that's closer to my lineage and

46:25

where my people come from. And

46:28

again, going back to what we said earlier,

46:31

they're so similar. It

46:34

raises an interesting question. I'll ask you to

46:36

this as a spiritual teacher. I

46:38

truly don't know the answer to it. I

46:41

feel like all of us have our

46:44

lineage from our genetics, like

46:46

our people, wherever they're from. And

46:49

then we have our past life experience.

46:53

And then from what I've studied

46:55

more on the shamanic side of things, the

46:57

land has its own intelligence that informs

46:59

the people who are in that area

47:01

for a while and they can form

47:03

unconscious connections with it. So there's regional

47:06

things appropriate for where on earth you

47:08

are, that are spiritual practices. And then

47:11

like you said, you have things from your people.

47:13

And then you also have things, well, okay, maybe

47:15

I was a meditation

47:18

teacher in India 17 lives ago and

47:21

it keeps popping into my meditations and now I

47:23

know yoga. Which of

47:25

those do you listen to? How do you mix them? That's

47:29

interesting because for me, what I

47:31

noticed, there was one time I

47:33

was in a meditation and

47:36

the teacher could see

47:39

the image of your guru. And

47:42

who popped in was my father who

47:44

had passed. Interesting.

47:48

And when I saw

47:50

that, I thought, oh, this is interesting.

47:53

I'm calling in a lineage of

47:56

gurus from my spiritual lineage,

47:59

But I have a- The whole. Slew.

48:02

Of Gurus. From

48:04

my ancestral lineage and I need

48:07

to connect with my ancestors

48:09

and know who they are. In

48:12

a way that I don't think

48:14

we're really hot so much in

48:16

western culture. And I

48:18

think that part of what creates

48:20

a suffering. And our culture is. Not

48:22

knowing who we are. Feeling like we

48:25

don't belong. Ceiling separated.

48:28

And. What I noticed for myself is

48:30

that. Connecting to my ancestors.

48:33

And maybe not being able. To specifically

48:35

pinpoint exact places but knowing

48:37

the general region where they

48:39

came from and beginning to

48:41

incorporate their foods. Into. My

48:44

diet. And. Burning.

48:46

Incense said they would have burned.

48:49

And you know, reading about

48:51

things. It's totally started to

48:54

shift. Ah, I'm something

48:56

inside of me that began to

48:58

feel more whole and more connected

49:01

to everything else. So.

49:04

To answer your. Question: I don't feel

49:06

like I get downloads of oh

49:08

I was here in in Tibet

49:10

or I was here in India.

49:13

Ah, I'm. I. Think I'm

49:16

using. And holding on to

49:18

the yoga that like I said is

49:20

my first language front of a spiritual

49:23

kind and then in connecting with the

49:25

earth I'm learning a different kind of

49:27

spirituality. And in connection with

49:29

my ancestors, that's a remembrance that's coming

49:32

alive and me. ah, in a much

49:34

different way. As beautiful

49:36

see are continuing to evolve. Yes,

49:40

To have kids. I. Have

49:42

two seconds. Nice via. How

49:45

do you think parenting has affected

49:47

your specialized. Oh.

49:50

Wow what a challenge! That

49:54

it's a little get a mouser. You.

49:57

Know I really feel like

49:59

children. Because I've been in the

50:01

lives of my sub kids for over

50:03

fifteen years. So when they were seven

50:06

and ten basically. And.

50:08

Now they're in their twenties. Is

50:10

that you know they are

50:12

a reflection. They. Will

50:15

reflect back to you. What?

50:18

It is that you're really doing. Even

50:20

though you might like to think that you're a

50:22

certain way. They'd. Like

50:24

to question and dell mimic saying

50:27

as and you'll start to see

50:29

Oh wait and also what I

50:31

started to notice is my parents

50:34

were very. They were strict disciplinarian.

50:37

Overly strict, overly protective, and you grew

50:39

up in the Us. And I

50:41

grew up in the Us. My pet my dad

50:43

was from Bermuda, my mom was from New York.

50:46

And. What I

50:48

noticed is when I first came into

50:51

their lives. I. Want I'll It

50:53

was like almost like the ah, I'm.

50:56

Unconscious saying of how much discipline I

50:58

wanted to bring in. And

51:02

I was like wait a second. I actually

51:04

know that that form of

51:06

discipline didn't work, was unhealthy.

51:09

And so I've got to be

51:11

able to break that what we

51:13

would call in yoga a some

51:15

skara for we could say in

51:17

English and imprint that the unconscious

51:19

because I am creating a legacy.

51:22

I am creating a lineage with

51:24

in my own family now. That

51:27

I don't want to continue. And.

51:29

So I think that when we

51:31

are parents, we get to. Make.

51:34

Choices about What

51:36

information, What lessons?

51:39

What? Practices do we want to

51:41

give to our children and a

51:43

more conscious way? This is where

51:45

meditations really important is that meditation.

51:47

Helps us practices like meditation

51:49

and yoga need their help

51:51

us to take that pause.

51:54

And to stop ourselves and to

51:56

notice. When. we're doing something that's not

51:58

an alignment with who we know we want to be.

52:00

If we're not

52:02

meditating, if we're not practicing Yoganidra

52:05

and other things, it's

52:07

really easy just to keep on going and

52:10

not realize until it's too late. So

52:13

for me, parenting has

52:15

been another version of

52:17

a spiritual practice. How can

52:19

you be loving when you're angry as

52:21

heck? It

52:24

absolutely can be. I realized

52:27

when I started doing personal

52:29

development work, it was about 30,

52:32

and I really hadn't done much

52:35

in the way I've structured. When I did my

52:37

first holotropic breathing and some other stuff, I

52:41

found that I was thinking

52:43

I'm free of all the programming from my

52:45

parents, and I like to think that. And

52:48

so I had this long checklist.

52:50

It was multiple pages of behaviors,

52:52

like little things, parental habits. And

52:55

it's like, okay, if this happens in

52:58

your house, go down and check everything. Yes. Okay. Then

53:00

if you do that, check yes. Then go through. I'm

53:02

like, oh, good. I only do some of these things.

53:04

I'm free of it. And then they're, oh, that other

53:06

column, check that box if you

53:08

do the exact opposite. And I was

53:11

like, goddamn it. I'm doing everything my parents did or

53:13

the polar opposite of everything they did, which means I'm

53:15

not free of any of it. And

53:17

I was pretty annoyed, actually. But

53:21

that's the meditation and parenting to be like,

53:23

okay, you're still passing down the imprint in

53:25

the West or the Asimskara of

53:28

your parents. And they got it from their parents. They got it

53:30

from their parents. You probably got it from World War II. You

53:32

probably got it from World War I. You probably got it from

53:34

God knows what. We've been not so

53:36

kind to each other for thousands of years. So

53:38

stuff happens. But to

53:40

be free of that stuff, meditation helps our parents.

53:44

And do you think yoga and

53:46

nidra is the best meditation before

53:48

you have kids? While you have

53:51

kids when they're young, a good

53:53

way to work on that stuff. That's such

53:56

a good question. I would say you

53:58

want to start yoga nidra. before

54:00

you have children. I agree with you.

54:03

Because then you have a way to

54:05

incorporate that into the moment

54:07

you have the baby and you suddenly almost

54:09

don't have any, feel like you don't have

54:11

any time, then you can

54:14

start to teach the kids practices of

54:16

Yoganidra. And, you know,

54:18

sometimes you might feel like it's all falling on

54:20

deaf ears. And I had this experience

54:22

with one of the kids when

54:24

he was a teenager. I was teaching them Yoganidra

54:26

and meditation. And I was like, oh, it's never,

54:29

it's not gonna stick. And one day

54:31

I get this panic phone call, basically

54:34

him telling me that his best friend

54:36

just broke up with his first girlfriend

54:38

and that he needed me immediately to

54:40

come to my office to teach him

54:42

Yoganidra and meditation so he would feel

54:45

better. And I thought,

54:47

oh, okay, somehow this

54:49

has sunk in that Yoganidra

54:51

and meditation are helpful to

54:53

bring ease and release

54:56

stress and to make someone

54:58

feel better. And

55:01

that's a gift. It

55:05

is, that's what

55:08

it's for. But there's

55:10

other things, there's healing,

55:12

right? Have you seen things like

55:14

the power of eight healing and the healing

55:16

states that are a part of some advanced

55:18

practices? How does

55:21

Yoganidra relate to healing

55:23

another person or healing yourself? So

55:26

let's talk about the

55:29

benefits for our sleep deprived

55:31

world. First of all, like

55:33

just practical, this is proven

55:36

research. Yoganidra helps

55:38

you to reduce the time it takes to

55:40

fall asleep. It improves your

55:42

sleep quality, your overall

55:44

sleep duration. It

55:47

helps you to increase the time of deep sleep,

55:51

helps with insomnia. At

55:53

the same time, Yoganidra, and I think

55:55

I mentioned this before, helps you to

55:58

connect to what's on the ground. unconscious.

56:02

So in that place where you

56:04

might have a memory that's been

56:06

suppressed, and this is where we

56:08

need the support of a good

56:10

therapist or a good mentor, right?

56:14

We can become aware of those

56:16

patterns that you were just talking

56:18

about. Like, oh, here are

56:21

the patterns that are unhelpful

56:23

that I have brought forward

56:25

from my previous lineage.

56:28

What can I

56:30

do to shift it? And you

56:32

can start to work with that

56:34

in the form of what's called

56:36

a sankalpa or a heart's desire

56:39

within yoga nidhara practice. Because when

56:41

you're in this place of deep

56:43

relaxation, it's actually a good

56:46

place to start to kind of reprogram the

56:48

mind and start to shift

56:50

those neural pathways. So

56:52

what I would also say is

56:55

because you're in this state of

56:57

theta, maybe delta, those

56:59

states are very healing. That

57:02

is a place where the physical

57:05

body and the emotional body can

57:07

start to heal. So

57:09

yoga nidhara is an extremely powerful

57:12

practice. And I think we're

57:15

just at the tip of the

57:17

iceberg of what is possible

57:19

with yoga nidhara.

57:22

The military is

57:24

now bringing in yoga nidhara

57:26

for the soldiers. Maybe

57:29

I'm not supposed to say that, but that's what's

57:31

happening. Military, at

57:34

least high level military operators have

57:36

been using yogic practices for

57:38

restoration for a very long time. And there

57:40

are Navy SEALs and special forces guys. There's

57:42

a lot of biohackers in that group. They're

57:44

doing all of

57:48

the things that are old and

57:50

new that increase performance. And I

57:52

think breathwork and meditation is something

57:56

that absolutely is known.

58:00

Doug Brackman, interestingly, teaches

58:02

meditation via long

58:05

distance sniper rifles. Wow.

58:09

And he actually, he told

58:12

me this story and he said, Dave, my favorite

58:14

thing to do is to pair up yoga moms

58:17

with Navy SEALs to go

58:19

to the range. And he said, the Navy SEALs

58:21

will be on perfect target on their first shot.

58:23

And then there's things like a mile away and

58:26

it's crazy stuff. 50 caliber, really heavy duty rifles.

58:29

And he said,

58:31

they'll get the first shot and the yoga model sit down

58:33

and they'll do their yoga breath and they'll get the first

58:35

shot. And then the second shot said, oftentimes like

58:37

the operators, they'll choke a little bit, probably because

58:40

there's a woman watching them, but probably just because

58:42

of the performance anxiety. He said, but the

58:44

people who do yoga on a regular practice,

58:47

especially women, he said, they'll just, they'll put

58:49

it in time after time after time because

58:51

they have more neurological, more nervous system control.

58:53

And the trick to making a shot like

58:55

that is to be relaxed, not

58:57

to be tense. And

59:00

I find that to just be kind of a

59:03

beautiful story. You, yes, you can, you know, shoot

59:05

things a mile away while meditating, which is more

59:07

of a warrior perspective, but it

59:09

works. Yeah. That

59:11

reminds me of, uh, when

59:14

people get into car, really bad car

59:16

accidents and they're completely calm

59:18

and relaxed. And then what happens

59:20

is the EMT will ask, you

59:22

must practice yoga. Because most

59:24

of the time people are freaking out and

59:26

they actually can tell when someone has been

59:28

practicing yoga for a long time, because their

59:31

state of being is so

59:33

different. I

59:36

was talking with how Elrod this morning, he was

59:38

over here at the studio. He's the guy from

59:40

the miracle morning. And

59:43

I just noticed an

59:45

abnormally large number of my friends have

59:48

either been struck by lightning electrocuted or

59:50

died and come back. So

59:53

did any of those things happen to you that put you on this

59:55

path? Not

59:58

yet. Although I. I'm

1:00:00

very careful when like, cause you know, we

1:00:02

have these crazy storms during the monsoon and

1:00:04

you know, you don't go outside. It's certain,

1:00:06

you don't go outside. So I'm very conscious

1:00:09

of not going outside. And I'm

1:00:11

hoping that I don't need to experience that,

1:00:14

but you know, it's real.

1:00:16

And that definitely does set people on

1:00:18

a path because they, we

1:00:20

go back to this idea of dying, right?

1:00:24

That's going to set you on some kind of

1:00:26

spiritual path, I think, at least

1:00:29

I do know a number of people who've had

1:00:31

NDEs and they radically

1:00:33

shifted their lives. It's common in shamanic initiation

1:00:35

and guys, just for the record, it happens

1:00:37

to them before I become friends with them.

1:00:39

So I'm not the cause of that. Right.

1:00:44

Do you ever know that you're in Northern New Mexico, just

1:00:46

get the urge to get a sword and stand outside

1:00:48

and say, there can be only one? No.

1:00:54

I knew you would get that because you

1:00:56

did superhero action movie kind of thing.

1:00:58

Guys, that's a reference to Highlander. And if you haven't seen

1:01:00

it, it's an awesome movie. Highlander one, the rest of them

1:01:03

were garbage, but one was awesome. The TV series was cool.

1:01:06

So there you go. Christopher Lambare, if you

1:01:08

don't know. Absolutely.

1:01:11

Absolutely. There's a better mortality

1:01:13

too. There you go. I mean, it's a pleasure

1:01:15

to be able to chat with you because, you

1:01:17

know, you've had this very successful career, you know,

1:01:19

as a movie producer and you've developed this, I

1:01:21

think people will be able to hear just from the

1:01:24

way you communicate the tone of your

1:01:26

voice. And if they see the video

1:01:28

on YouTube for sure, you've got a presence,

1:01:31

a spiritual teacher kind of presence. And

1:01:34

you also have the yoga teacher ability when you

1:01:36

want to make a point to slow your voice

1:01:38

and do the things that I was hearing you

1:01:41

do so that it goes in deeply, right? Which

1:01:43

is also a skill, right? I

1:01:46

was like, good. I see what you're

1:01:48

doing there. I love that. Now you've written

1:01:51

in the luminous mind.

1:02:02

that there's some root causes

1:02:04

of suffering. In fact, you

1:02:06

talk about there being a root cause of suffering.

1:02:08

What is it? So

1:02:11

in yogic philosophy, it is

1:02:14

known as avidya, and avidya

1:02:16

is known as misperception or

1:02:19

ignorance. And it is

1:02:21

said that avidya has four feet. Is

1:02:23

it in-vidya? Avidya.

1:02:28

I think they've named it that way for

1:02:30

a reason, because it's about misperceiving things and

1:02:32

they make graphics cards. So interesting. Oh,

1:02:34

that's funny. I don't know that company. I

1:02:37

have no idea. So avidya means knowledge. And

1:02:40

usually when you put an A in

1:02:42

front of something in Sanskrit, not always,

1:02:44

it means away from or not. Like

1:02:47

Avidya said, away from knowledge, the opposite

1:02:49

of knowledge. And

1:02:52

we can think about this as having four feet.

1:02:55

And the four feet are attachment,

1:02:59

aversion, fear of

1:03:01

death, and basically

1:03:04

greed. And

1:03:07

so if we think about all the things that make

1:03:09

us suffer in the world, they pretty

1:03:11

much can be nailed down to

1:03:15

all five of those things. So

1:03:18

for us to be able to be

1:03:20

aware, we need to

1:03:22

be able to think about questions

1:03:25

like, what are

1:03:27

the things that I want to make sure never

1:03:29

happen to me? That's

1:03:31

aversion. Right. What

1:03:34

are the things that I absolutely hate? Still

1:03:37

aversion. Right?

1:03:40

What do I want to make sure I don't lose? Or

1:03:42

who do I want to make sure I don't lose?

1:03:45

Attachment. And

1:03:47

then we already spent some time talking

1:03:50

about the fear of death. Right?

1:03:54

And so if I think about

1:03:56

situations that may not seem like

1:03:58

they're connected to death, But

1:04:01

let's say I'm at my office and I

1:04:03

see this new person who just

1:04:06

got hired has come into the office two

1:04:08

hours earlier than I have, and

1:04:10

they stay two hours later, if anybody

1:04:12

goes to the office anymore. It's

1:04:15

basically like, I'm afraid

1:04:17

for my job. I'm

1:04:19

afraid that I might get replaced. If

1:04:21

you really start to boil that down,

1:04:24

that boils down to a fear

1:04:26

of death, a fear

1:04:28

of losing, a fear of dying. And

1:04:31

so if you can start to notice how your

1:04:33

behavior is actually connected to

1:04:36

these four feet of ignorance,

1:04:39

then you can start to see where am I

1:04:41

caught? And

1:04:45

we're all caught. I'm caught.

1:04:49

You're caught, I'm sure. We're

1:04:52

going to be caught probably until the day

1:04:54

we decide to release that last breath. But

1:04:57

we can free ourselves little by little.

1:05:00

And spiritual practice is really about

1:05:03

freedom from suffering. And

1:05:06

then when we understand our own suffering, I

1:05:10

think we open up our own

1:05:12

heart of compassion to see others

1:05:14

suffering and to understand

1:05:16

more about humanity because

1:05:19

we've seen it in ourselves. That's

1:05:22

what I feel. Like I've noticed that me

1:05:24

doing these practices and doing the kind

1:05:27

of self-inquiry that's required helps me to

1:05:29

see the suffering in another person and

1:05:32

to have compassion. Can

1:05:35

you explain the difference between compassion

1:05:38

and empathy

1:05:41

and equanimity? So

1:05:46

I will say that for

1:05:48

me, my definition of compassion

1:05:52

is that I see myself in you and

1:05:55

I know that we are connected. And

1:05:58

in that compassion, I also know that we are connected. know

1:06:00

that I am not free until

1:06:02

you're free. Hmm. So very

1:06:05

Buddhist. Yeah. And

1:06:07

in that compassion, part of my

1:06:09

being here on this earth right

1:06:11

now is to help alleviate some

1:06:13

kind of suffering. Not

1:06:16

because I want to alleviate my

1:06:18

own suffering, but because I

1:06:20

can also feel your suffering, which I

1:06:22

then think kind of moves a little

1:06:24

bit into empathy. Yeah. Right?

1:06:26

But what I think the difference between

1:06:28

empathy and compassion is, is that

1:06:31

empathy doesn't require me

1:06:33

necessarily to do

1:06:35

something about it for there to be an

1:06:38

action. I can pass someone

1:06:40

on the street who's suffering, but

1:06:43

what happens, people will have empathy for someone they

1:06:45

see on the street who's suffering and they keep

1:06:47

driving by. They don't

1:06:49

actually do anything. Right? That's

1:06:52

my own definition. And

1:06:54

then I think the equanimity is really

1:06:58

the balance of being able to hold

1:07:00

the both and. To being

1:07:03

able to hold, yes, there's suffering in

1:07:05

the world, but I also have

1:07:07

to experience joy. I also have to

1:07:10

reclaim joy for myself. Yes,

1:07:12

there's the hard work that I need to do

1:07:14

to get where I want to get, but

1:07:17

I also have to hold rest and

1:07:20

I have to be able to devote myself to

1:07:22

self-care at the same time. That's

1:07:26

a lovely way to explain it.

1:07:28

I'd love for you to critique

1:07:30

the way I think about it.

1:07:32

So we'll kind of share notes

1:07:34

on these states. Yeah. And

1:07:37

I think of it as empathy

1:07:39

is you can feel

1:07:41

another person's pain or

1:07:43

maybe joy, but you're feeling other people's

1:07:46

things, which is great

1:07:48

because if you can't feel them, it's hard to

1:07:50

develop compassion. And I

1:07:52

look at compassion as automatically

1:07:54

wishing others well. I

1:07:57

love that. Automatic. Right. So it happens

1:07:59

before. you can judge them or

1:08:01

anything else. Like, I genuinely want

1:08:04

that to happen. And then they might cut you off in

1:08:06

traffic, but you've already wished them well, even though they cut

1:08:09

you off. Nothing, you still wish them well. And

1:08:12

so I would sort of empathy as step one, compassion

1:08:14

as step two. But in equitivities, you get to choose

1:08:16

your state. So even if someone cuts you off in

1:08:18

traffic and a volcano erupts, I'm

1:08:21

still gonna experience happiness and joy right now. Right,

1:08:24

which is kind of the highest thing that's

1:08:26

the thing I'm working on, no matter whatever

1:08:29

happens in one domain of business or

1:08:31

in relationships or another, you

1:08:34

can be happy or you cannot be happy. And

1:08:36

to make that a chooseable state. I

1:08:39

love everything that you just said. I'm

1:08:42

gonna add one refinement to the compassion piece. Let

1:08:44

me hear that. Cause

1:08:47

you're making me think. Is

1:08:49

that the compassion,

1:08:51

you use this word automatic, right?

1:08:54

So we have this automatic care for someone

1:08:56

else as well, and

1:08:58

I think maybe a deeper level

1:09:01

of compassion is despite the fact

1:09:03

of our differences, despite

1:09:06

the fact that I judge you because

1:09:08

we all have judgment, I

1:09:11

still wish for your wellbeing. Oh, that's

1:09:13

neat. Cause I'm looking at automatic means

1:09:15

it happens before you can think. And

1:09:18

you're saying it happens before you can think

1:09:20

and even after you think it's still present,

1:09:22

which is a great refinement. I like that,

1:09:24

thank you. Yeah, thank

1:09:26

you, that was fun. Do

1:09:28

you do channeling? That's

1:09:31

such an interesting question that has been up

1:09:33

for like the last week. I

1:09:38

believe that being able to be

1:09:40

connected is

1:09:42

a form of channeling. Whether we decide

1:09:44

we wanna call it channeling, it's

1:09:48

just the label, but I think

1:09:50

being connected and being able to

1:09:52

deeply listen we

1:09:55

could say is channeling. I don't

1:09:57

consider myself a channeler. I consider

1:09:59

myself... of a deep listener and

1:10:02

then being able to kind of

1:10:06

act on what I hear for sure.

1:10:08

There's an inner knowingness that you

1:10:11

develop when you get enough awareness

1:10:13

of the ego where you realize, wow, I used to

1:10:16

just have to think about that a lot. And now

1:10:18

I realize I already knew it. I

1:10:20

just needed to know how to not think about

1:10:22

it. So suddenly decision making can be much faster.

1:10:26

Yes. And it feels like channeling is,

1:10:28

well, let me just verbalize that inner

1:10:31

knowingness. And I'm friends with

1:10:33

people like Lisa Williams, who's taught 40,000 people

1:10:35

how to channel. It's just like, it's a

1:10:37

skill. You can do it kind of like

1:10:40

yoga and Indra is a skill. Anyone can

1:10:42

do it. Some people might be more profound

1:10:44

or deeper than others, but if these are

1:10:47

things humans can do. So

1:10:49

I was finding really, really interesting. I'm not

1:10:51

a particular channeler, but I have friends who

1:10:53

do it and they sometimes just know stuff.

1:10:56

And I used to think

1:10:58

all this was such BS. And

1:11:00

then years ago when I was creating

1:11:03

the 40 Years is End program,

1:11:06

I sat with a woman who trained

1:11:08

in Tibet and she trained with Aboriginals.

1:11:10

And she would just snap into

1:11:13

these channeling states and speak some language she

1:11:15

didn't know and then kind of come back.

1:11:17

And so what do you do for a living? She's

1:11:19

like, oh, I work for a major tech company. And it's really

1:11:22

like, what do you do? She said, oh, R&D. So

1:11:24

like, are you a physicist or something? She said, oh, no. She

1:11:27

said, I don't have any training in that stuff. When

1:11:30

the advanced R&D material science team gets stuck, they

1:11:32

ask me and then I channel what to do

1:11:34

and then they try and it works. Yeah.

1:11:37

And that's the state. That's the state of

1:11:40

state. Yeah, that's the

1:11:42

state of state. That's being able to

1:11:44

put yourself in a state of state

1:11:46

in that place of inner knowing where

1:11:48

you connect to the collective unconscious.

1:11:50

The Akashic records, maybe. And yeah,

1:11:52

and you could say the Akashic

1:11:54

records. Absolutely. I

1:11:57

mean, there's information in the subtle realms all

1:11:59

around. And

1:12:01

when you develop many different

1:12:03

meditation practices, but particularly the one

1:12:05

that helps you surf that line

1:12:07

between sleep and awake, that's where

1:12:09

that stuff is. And it's

1:12:12

funny how many inventors have the pad

1:12:14

next to the the beds that they wake

1:12:16

up with the invention right there. They're, I

1:12:19

believe they're kind of filtering that out

1:12:21

of a much greater field. Maybe not

1:12:23

sure, but it sure feels like that's

1:12:25

a good way to explain it. Well,

1:12:28

I mean, both Einstein and Salvador

1:12:30

Dali use the metal plate with the

1:12:32

little metal balls on them. And they

1:12:34

would go to sleep in the minute that

1:12:36

the arm started to go into that

1:12:38

place of falling asleep, it would wake

1:12:40

them up and they would start writing. So

1:12:43

it's how I wrote Radiant Rest. I

1:12:46

wrote that from the Yovanidva. Did you really? Yeah. I

1:12:49

think Ben Franklin did that too, if I remember right.

1:12:51

Yeah, and Ben Franklin. Wow. Yeah.

1:12:54

So I, in fact, I've read about

1:12:56

this many years ago, and I tried it about five

1:12:58

times in an armchair. And it's

1:13:00

like, okay, that's cool. But I'm, I think at

1:13:02

the time I had toxic mold and I never

1:13:04

got into it. But oh, that's not good. That's

1:13:07

a that's a way to potentially

1:13:09

access some of these similar states, right?

1:13:12

Correct. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. When

1:13:14

I decided I was writing the book, I

1:13:16

thought about circuit training. And I remembered back in the

1:13:18

day when I used to do circuit training. And I

1:13:21

was like, I need to create a

1:13:23

creative space that's like circuit training where

1:13:25

I have a Yovanidva nest, I have my

1:13:27

desk, I have my hang

1:13:29

drum, and I basically go

1:13:32

from one place to another, and

1:13:34

circuit train, essentially, and rest

1:13:37

and write, and then be able

1:13:39

to go to sleep and come back and chant

1:13:41

a little bit. And so that was

1:13:44

how I wrote the entire book. And

1:13:47

it was like a channeling coming through,

1:13:49

if you want to use the word

1:13:51

channeling, but it was also like a knowing and

1:13:53

a remembering of information and also a way

1:13:56

being able

1:13:58

to see and I think this is where like the gamma

1:14:00

comes in, is

1:14:03

being able to see the interconnectedness of things that

1:14:05

come from different parts of the brain and how

1:14:07

to put them together in a great way. It's

1:14:11

awesome to hear how you write

1:14:13

books. I've written eight so far,

1:14:16

and I actually use technology

1:14:18

where I'm writing a small current between

1:14:20

my ears that lets me dial up

1:14:22

the state that I want. Oh,

1:14:24

I love that. Where do I get that device? It's

1:14:28

called the Cerebral Electrical Stimulation,

1:14:30

or CES. There's a

1:14:32

few companies who make them out there. The one I

1:14:34

use is the clinical grade system from 40 years of

1:14:37

then, which is more of like a doctor's office kind

1:14:39

of thing. And

1:14:41

what's normally people use it in an alpha

1:14:43

state for anxiety, but I

1:14:45

have it set so I can go to very,

1:14:48

very deep delta, and

1:14:51

I can layer in gamma if I want to. And

1:14:53

it's not the same as meditation, but

1:14:55

sometimes if, for me, I do it in the

1:14:57

middle of the night because that's when the best,

1:14:59

we'll call it channeling or knowing, it's just like

1:15:02

the signal's cleaner. And

1:15:05

yeah, sometimes I'll write stuff, and I know it

1:15:07

to be true because I see the system of

1:15:09

biology, and that's, I'm the systems guy, I can

1:15:11

see it. And then the

1:15:13

study comes out two or five

1:15:16

years later that validates it. Like, you guys, you don't need

1:15:18

a study, you just try it, right, and see

1:15:20

if it works. Right. And if

1:15:23

you feel better that there's a study, great. If

1:15:25

not, trying a different sleep technique is unlikely to

1:15:27

kill you so it's safe, right?

1:15:30

I really, I love that, I

1:15:32

love that. Sometimes I'll lay on my

1:15:35

bio mat with the bio acoustic

1:15:37

mat underneath it, and I'll

1:15:39

just be like, okay, I'm gonna self-guide myself just

1:15:41

for 15 minutes, and

1:15:43

I'll always have the pad there

1:15:45

because something will come through, like a

1:15:47

whole book proposal came through just last

1:15:50

week. Wow. So

1:15:52

it's real if you're a creative person. Yeah.

1:15:56

I will go, in fact, I'm going in

1:15:58

another couple weeks up to, Seattle for

1:16:00

40 years is in and spend a week there and

1:16:03

I'll be I'll be recording lots of

1:16:05

good stuff because the idea is just come

1:16:07

really, really fast. And sometimes it's hard to

1:16:09

capture them on. And it's funny how we're

1:16:11

all capable of this. But sometimes we just

1:16:13

don't tap into it because we have the

1:16:15

internal squelch or

1:16:18

the internal firewall. It's like, like the idea comes

1:16:20

in immediately we say that can't be right. And

1:16:22

then you just throw it away. And I've

1:16:24

learned it as part of my like inner awareness

1:16:26

practice. Anytime I have that initial

1:16:29

knowingness thing, you can feel

1:16:31

whether it's an egoic, you know, I'm mad

1:16:34

at that person, whatever. Or if

1:16:36

it's a fear response, there's a subtle

1:16:39

difference of character. And when it's

1:16:41

like, you know, you want that you don't want that.

1:16:43

Oh, okay. And if you just listen,

1:16:45

and you just accept, it saves

1:16:47

you a ton of time, you make better decisions.

1:16:51

The risk though, is that you could be

1:16:53

acting out of trauma if you haven't learned

1:16:55

the feeling between a trauma response and intuition

1:16:57

because they feel almost the same. Hmm.

1:16:59

Very, very, I'm so glad that

1:17:01

you said that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:17:05

Use any other tech? I

1:17:07

mean, Tibetan bells, special glasses,

1:17:10

binaural beats, I don't know,

1:17:12

alien death rays, like what, what else is in

1:17:14

your tech stack? Let's

1:17:17

see. Well, I have my orang.

1:17:19

Okay, cool. My Sunlighten

1:17:22

spa, infrared spa is getting

1:17:24

assembled. I've got my sauna space,

1:17:30

which is the light, the

1:17:32

red light, incandescent red

1:17:35

lights basically happen

1:17:37

after sundown. What

1:17:40

else do I have? I

1:17:42

think that's about it. I mean,

1:17:44

you know, red light, biomass, sauna,

1:17:46

those are the things that I need. And I

1:17:48

think the rest I can

1:17:50

really receive from nature. Love

1:17:54

it. And you've certainly got plenty of sunlight there

1:17:56

in New Mexico. Oh, that's

1:17:58

incredible. I

1:18:01

imagine you have all sorts of other really cool

1:18:03

practices. I know some of them are in the

1:18:06

new book, which is something

1:18:09

that I think people listening will benefit.

1:18:11

Guys, I thought about

1:18:13

asking Tracy to run us

1:18:15

through a breath awareness practice or

1:18:17

something, but that's all there on

1:18:20

our website. So I don't

1:18:22

want to repeat that when it's just

1:18:24

there for you. So go to tracestandly.com,

1:18:27

that's T-R-A-C-E-E,

1:18:30

stanley.com, to

1:18:32

get those practices and things like that.

1:18:35

Or download The Luminous Self, which

1:18:38

is our newest book. This

1:18:40

is some esoteric stuff. It's got some

1:18:42

mystery school teachings. It's ancient wisdom and

1:18:45

ancient knowledge. It is there

1:18:47

for all of us. It is in

1:18:49

the realm of biohacking. And

1:18:52

you change the environment around you and inside of yourself. When

1:18:55

you develop a better ability

1:18:57

to sense the environment around you, which

1:18:59

happens with yoga and Indra, then you learn

1:19:01

to better sense the environment inside of you.

1:19:03

And you start realizing how you respond

1:19:05

to the world around you. And

1:19:08

it was, oh, that lighting does take me out.

1:19:11

Oh, when I eat that weird processed food, it

1:19:13

takes me out of the present state that I

1:19:15

now know how to do. That's

1:19:17

why this is important. So tracestandly.com. The

1:19:20

book is The Luminous Self, and

1:19:22

it is absolutely a part of the world of biohacking.

1:19:26

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1:19:29

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