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You're listening to Be Human Upgrade with

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Dave Aspirate. Formerly.

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Bulletproof radio. You're.

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Listening to The Human Upgrade with

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Dave Asprey, Today

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we have my friend Terry

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Cochrane that is an integrated

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practitioner in Pioneer in what

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we now my call personalized

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health Care. She's been working

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on very customized approaches towards.

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Individual treatment as well as

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some things about nutrition and

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food where we're in agreement

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on many, many different things

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and we're going to go

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through some specifics about food,

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some specifics about how you

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metabolism works in a way

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that you haven't heard on

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the show before and leaving

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ties into how you think

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about food, how you feel

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about food and your life,

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and how that affects your

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biology. The last

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time your heard carry on the

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show was episode six Forty six

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So few years ago and I

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was and we talked about this

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are three program and the welded

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area diet she did her are

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three program ties together your physical

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wellbeing with one in biology. If

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you were listening the chauffeur well

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you know that I have put

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at the very core of bio

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hacking this idea that mitochondria are

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at the foundational level. Of

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your biology, everything that's happening, your body

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is reflection of what's happening in them.

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There is one of the very earliest

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a people in the field who's had

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a similar perspective, so there's a lot

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of wisdom to be ledger. Terry welcome

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to the Human Upgrade. Thank you

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so much A said that to be with

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your audience again and. My

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pleasure now. I

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talk about these for F words

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in my work that matter. Conrad,

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You fear food, other F word

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and then fertility. And they they.

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I've added a fifth F word

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which is Africans Solve. This is

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how you start the loop again

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by letting go of the first.

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For but you talk about the

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big four, but they're not applets,

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so in your worst, you have

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big or metabolic impairments. Can you

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teach us about those? Absolutely. And

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I love the fact that we

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both. Have our day for a now offline.

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So. About

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a decade ago, I

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discovered that. Our macro

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cause them are still supply has

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been hijacked. And it

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has been hijacked. Real see

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the major. Disruptors.

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One. Was the founding of the

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animals. And. The torturing

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and then which not only sell

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them with hormones and antibiotics and

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says that it's did not suggest.

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That is also tortured them by founding

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them into space is that we're. Not.

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If we say inhumane that, it's.

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An animal sits around a lot

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to a living species. the thing

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to do and when you talk

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about the mitochondria driving all. Of us

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when they crowded these animals with ended up

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happening is the stress response is and them

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And this isn't the clinical. Literature and

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my birth and now it's in

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forwarded many times and with other

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research he's proud in conditions created

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these indigestible protein by the name

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of analyze. And. We build

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these amyloid within our body as

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a homeostatic mechanism, an inflammatory responses

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or and dogs and us in

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our analysts and they come in

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and they create an inflammation in

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and week out the fire that

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normal a normal mechanism. However these

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enzymes in S. Chevy.

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bird and analyze came into our food

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supply chicken being the most studied and

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the dirtiest of birds because they're most

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crowded really created

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a deleterious

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cascade of an

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autoimmune response because

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amyloids we now know that turn

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on viral structures and

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the herpes family of viruses Epstein-Barr turns

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into Hashimoto's, varicella turns into

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MS or polycystic

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ovarian syndrome or belt palsy

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or even ulcerative colitis. We

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have the cytomegalovirus turning into cancer

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or lung disease or heart

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disease and so these viruses

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got lit up by the amyloid. And

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then the second piece which was really elucidated

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by the beautiful work of Dr. Stephanie Senna

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was glyphosate. Yeah.

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Right so everybody talked about glyphosate so we

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talked about the shikmite pathway, we talked about

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the bacteria. What's little

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less talked about is the

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fact that it also disrupted protein by

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mimicking glycine and glycine is necessary for

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protein metabolism. So we

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had two vectors breaking down our

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ability to process protein and then

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it also broke down the

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ability to convert our

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happy sulfur friends into sulfate which

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is necessary for bones and tendons

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and mental health and

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the integrity of our gut. And

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then the last thing was it related to

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the oxalobacter bacteria which just kind of wiped

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them out. So

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this glyphosate, these two interrupters of

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the crowding and torturing of animals

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which disrupted protein and then the

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glyphosate which again disrupted protein and

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sulfur and oxalot metabolism created

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this massive, massive deleterious

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impact. Amyloids which

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are protein malabsorption, sulfur malabsorption,

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oxalot malabsorption and then our

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stress response in our fat

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malabsorption. Now Dave, what

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we've not talked about yet and this is

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something that is so fascinating

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is that the spike protein mirrors exactly

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what these splore disruptors do. What

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the what disruptors do? Spite protein, do

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the exact same thing. As

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which of those things? Create amyloids. Oh,

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as amyloids, okay, got it. Create seven

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vectors of amyloids that actually

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makes oxalates, disrupts fat

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metabolism. Does spike protein makes oxalates?

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Yes, it's in the clinical literature.

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Oh my god, that's one I

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missed. So for listeners, oxalates

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are these compounds that are

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usually made by plants but

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can be made by fungus.

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In fact, if you have mold in your house or if you have candida,

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you have more of them. They find calcium in

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your body. They form razor sharp crystals that

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are behind kidney stones,

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behind gout, behind all kinds of

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autoimmune and other symptoms that you

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think are aging. And it turns

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out spinach and kale, which I've

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been on the war against kale

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for a long time and so

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have you Terry, we're both early,

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early oxalate people. These are really

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important. So if you are trying to

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recover from COVID and you're

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doing it with spinach, kale, raspberries, almonds,

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and beets, because you heard they were

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super foods and maybe some peanut

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butter because you heard it was protein and

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your life sucks. Maybe you

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should listen to my old episode on Joe

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Rogan where I teach him about spinach and

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kale and why those kale smoothies aren't good.

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Oh wait, nevermind. Joe Rogan deleted that when

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he went to Spotify, but I love you

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anyway, Joe. Anyway, maybe you could listen

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to the one seven years later where he says that

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he had to quit the kale smoothies because of

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oxalates or you trained Mike Tyson on

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what to eat and Mike went on

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Joe Rogan and said, Hey, killer

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kale. So guys, if

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you didn't hear it 10 years ago from

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me and you've been denying this forever and

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you're really sucking your in your life right

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now, post the last three years, maybe

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you need to make a nutritional change because the

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other thing he talks about here from

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Stephanie Sineff, by the way, she was on

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the show talking about these things seven years

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ago, I believe, including the glycine thing is

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oxalobacter, the bacteria that used to be in

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our gut. It's not

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present anymore. It didn't make that big of

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a difference in oxalate metabolism, but it helped

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a little bit according to

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the research I've seen. It's gone. So

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what are we going to do? What's

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the answer? We'll get into amyloids in a

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bit. Those are something we also share an interest in

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from longevity. But what are you going to do about

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oxalates right now?

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Let's start with that. Okay. So

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thank you for that, being a pioneer in

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the war against oxalates. Because

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now- I mean, I mean, it's- yeah. We're

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in this together. Now what they found- this

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is fascinating, Dave. In the

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endeavors of people that had experienced

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the spike protein, those over 70, 80% had

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oxalate crystals in their thyroid. Oh, wait. Was

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that just for COVID or was that just everyone over

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that age? I thought it was in everyone. Was it

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everyone? I thought it was in the- so this is

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really interesting. And we have the clinical literature and I'll

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be happy to share it with your friends is now

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oxalates have become like shard glass

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in our body. Yeah.

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And they will break through and they're

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tied to heart disease. They're tied to

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any kind of fibrogenicity. And

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so what do we do? We got to stay

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away from them and take

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things that will break them down. So

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what breaks down oxalates? Okay. We-

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anything that has a crystalline structure,

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we need an emulsifier, but

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we need intelligent emulsifiers. And

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so what are intelligent emulsifiers? Well,

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we love seropeptase because as a proteolytic

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enzyme, it's going to break

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down fibrogenicity. It's going to break

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down something that is hard. It

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breaks down scar tissue that's formed around razor

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sharp crystals of oxalic acid or of oxalates

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in the body, calcium oxalate. But

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breaking down scar tissue while you leave the

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shards in doesn't seem like a long-term strategy.

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No. So long-term strategy is we

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really have to rethink what

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healthy food is for us. And

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we have to redirect our

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plate to left- green, killer

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kale, Swiss chard, spinach,

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almonds. You know, they used to

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say Tufts University 12 years ago said if eating

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almonds will reduce your risk of stroke by 60%.

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Now eating almonds can actually increase your

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risk of stroke because it's creating an

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obsolete crystal, potentially creating a blood clot.

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Wow. I feel

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like I've been beating this drum, you do

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too. I

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don't think I've beat it hard enough though. I wrote

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in the first chapter of the Bulletproof Diet, this

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is 2012 or something, and

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I said, okay, these are the things we're dealing with

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in plants, and in meat, and

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in plants it's oxalates,

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it's phytic acid, and

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it's histamines,

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which are more common in meat than

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in plants, but can be in plants,

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in some plants, omega-6s, and

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lectins. And so each of those

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kind of has had its day, like lectins have

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had their day, and they matter, some lectins matter

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more to some people than others, they're not all

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bad because you make them every day for use

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in your body, just different flavors of lectins. But

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oxalates, I identified them, it came out

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against the really strong ones, but not

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strongly enough, and in my most recent

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book, I talk a lot more about

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that, but it

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seems like either, we've

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all got worse at processing oxalates, which

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you may have just explained why, or

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maybe they just build up over time, because I was

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a raw vegan, and a regular

11:28

vegan also, maybe I built up more of those,

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you can only eat so much whole grain, which

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has more oxalate than white grain.

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So I just feel

11:38

like in the 70s, some asshole decided that

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eating the shell of the walnut was good for

11:44

you, for some reason, and you should just eat

11:46

whole foods, and it doesn't work

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like that. It

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sure doesn't, and Dave, one of the

11:53

things that really, I've done deep research over

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this last almost four years,

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because I still have an active practice, and

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so, become my human human upgrade

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lab in real time in my clinic

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because of the way that I deploy

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my applied kinesiology. And what's been so

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fascinating is my big four has also

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now added a fifth. And that

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fifth is histamine. Which

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is oftentimes caused by oxalates too. Okay. Yes.

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And so what we're finding this is really

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interesting. Again, we'll share all the clinical literature

12:22

that I have found and all the all

12:24

the anecdotal outcomes and the success stories of

12:26

my practice as well with your audience. So

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what's really interesting is this microgene however

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comes into your world will turn on

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the histamine receptor one gene HRH1. That

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histamine receptor gene cross and intersects with

12:38

the sulfation pathway which then also intersects

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with the oxalate metabolism pathway. So we

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have this layering of hell. And what

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we're finding is histamine I

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call it sneezing on the inside. It's

12:50

not necessarily an itchy eye

12:53

sneezy runny nose. It

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can make idiopathic anxiety disorder.

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It can create actually increase

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your estrogen which then will increase

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your risk of all sorts of bad

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things. Especially if you're growing oxalates and

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you have Candida you're going to get

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endometriosis or grosses the size of your

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head. We've had 20 something

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year olds having full hysterectomies in my practice

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because of their healthy eating habits.

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And so this very big layered cake

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has become a very

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big deal and many are

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being sent down very incorrect

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rabbit holes when they're being given anti

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anxiety medication for idiopathic

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anxiety or ulcerative colitis. So they

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try to calm their nervous system

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and actually the causal is the

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three layers of histamine oxalate

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and sulfur. And then that

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that pharmaceutical further backs up that

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phase one liberty detoxification which further

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flips the histamine on

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its trajectory of

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oh boy. This

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is almost intractable if you're listening to this

14:03

you're going okay we have even gotten

14:05

into this idea that eating animals

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that were mistreated. Is

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bad for you and i think you

14:12

might heard on the show before and

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terry in our last interview you're the

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one who i think is the

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original person talking about how.

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We have a problem with amyloid and these

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people who read my longevity book you

14:27

know that amyloid is one of

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the sources of interest i learned

14:31

extra sailor junk that build up

14:33

overtime and that. Your

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body can't process much amyloid so this is

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one of the things you want to eat

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less of it and generate less of it

14:41

overtime and talk about techniques and strategies for

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that probably even in the grass that me.

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And that would come from from your work

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so. We

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are getting into that and now you're saying don't eat

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most of the plants and

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it's not most and there are some you

14:59

can eat but even things that like sweet

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potatoes. I'm sorry there are better

15:03

than wheat but especially eating

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the peels they have a

15:07

meaningful amount of oxalate and i

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found that over the last. 6-7

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years i'm into

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it i can feel what foods do to

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me at a very nuanced level because i'll

15:19

try running at 10% of your mitochondrial levels

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and you just you learn subtle shifts you

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can feel them. So i'm just like

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i don't i don't i didn't want that gonna eat

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it so. The

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problem is you would say

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all right let's go carnivore i

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did that when i wrote the bulletproof diet you

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do all carnivore you get sick. A

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lot of people get sick on it by the

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way though you feel great for the first while

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just like i did when i went raw vegan.

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So i felt amazing and lost weight and all the carnivore

15:48

stuff but we didn't call it converse there was no name

15:50

for it. It's just it's one edge of

15:53

the bulletproof zone on the bulletproof diet. But

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then three months and i'm waking up

15:57

a dozen times a night. I

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can sleep 10 hours, I don't feel great, and

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I get a leaky gut and I get some more food allergies. And

16:06

so it can't be just carnivore,

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but it's gotta be something else. I have

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my ideas about what works really well. I'm

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6.5% body fat, I'm never hungry, and

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I eat a lot of steak, but I've

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always eaten a lot of steak. So tell

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me, what do you do that works? Great

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question, and again, I'm the princess and the

16:26

pea, because I have all the genetics that

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live on histamine, the reason for the

16:30

classification term where it ticks my butt. I

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have sulfur and oxalate processing issues.

16:35

I have a protein malabsorption MTHFRE-1298C.

16:39

So that one is one that doesn't allow for

16:41

protein digestion and my entire father's

16:44

side of the family rarely

16:46

made it to 60. Wow. So

16:49

it was heart attacks, now I

16:51

understand why, right? The sulfur, the

16:53

oxalate, the protein, even back then,

16:55

when we were less toxic as

16:57

a human population. So

16:59

for me, it's a dance, and this

17:01

is to your point. We are nuanced

17:03

beings and it's leaning into the energy

17:06

of food and understanding what we need

17:08

when we need it. And

17:10

a big part of my work

17:12

is really having my clients become their

17:14

own body interpreters so they can understand the

17:16

dance. We can never be

17:18

all things all the time in

17:20

one direction because the body is

17:22

never static. So if we're carnivores or

17:24

if we're vegans or if we're vegetarians or

17:27

if we're pescatarians and we're getting more free

17:29

toxicity, so it's understanding

17:31

this beautiful dance, right?

17:34

And so part

17:36

of the work is you first have to

17:38

clear the vessel so the receiver is

17:41

understanding the correct information.

17:44

When there's a lot of static in the system,

17:47

you're so confused. Okay.

17:51

There's static in the system, that makes a

17:53

lot of sense. Even if you go to

17:55

things like autism or Asperger's, it's essentially a

17:57

lot of static on lines that don't have enough.

18:00

enough electricity. So

18:02

if we're all getting some

18:04

static now, what's

18:06

the fix? So the fix

18:08

is understanding that we first have to

18:11

eat what I say counter-seasonally. So

18:13

because we carry such a large

18:15

toxic burden, even if we are

18:18

clean, we're still going to be, it's a

18:20

bit ubiquitous. Our water, our

18:23

even organic products have cross-contamination

18:25

to glyphosate. And so

18:27

what we talk about is

18:30

every season you're going to eat counter

18:32

to what is being pollinated, especially with

18:34

a really high histamine load. So during

18:36

the spring season, especially here in the

18:38

Metro DC area, we stay away from tree

18:40

nuts. During the fall, where

18:43

mold is heavy, we stay away from

18:45

anything that's sprouted or fermented or

18:47

it's mold or fungus. During

18:49

the summer, we stay away from

18:52

grasses, even that very, very smart

18:54

and liver cleansing wheatgrass can tip

18:56

the scales and

18:59

we move away from that. So to

19:01

answer your question, what do I eat?

19:03

I'm a wildetarian for sure. That has

19:05

changed my physiology. I'm so much younger

19:07

than I was 10 years

19:09

ago in my mind, in

19:11

my physiology, and even in my DNA

19:14

age, metabolic

19:16

age. And I really

19:19

dance with the, what

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are my hierarchy of needs? So

19:24

I love the root vegetables

19:27

that relate to like carrots are

19:29

amazing. I love my purple

19:31

potatoes because of the phytonutrients

19:33

that they carry, those antioxidants.

19:36

I really would be curious. They're not

19:38

low oxalate at all. They're

19:40

not, but this is the hierarchy of

19:42

needs, Dave. This is where I have

19:44

a new, even a nuanced layered approach.

19:47

So neither carrots nor sweet

19:49

potatoes are low in oxalate.

19:51

However, they are very,

19:53

very high in beta-carotene. Okay.

19:56

And so beta-carotene is really

19:58

important for the tissue

20:00

of the GI tract. Okay.

20:03

So, and they help modulate

20:05

insulin. And

20:08

so for me, when I layer

20:10

that, this is the nuance and this is when

20:12

you come to my practice we tell you exactly where

20:14

you should be, where's the hierarchy of

20:16

needs. And so for

20:18

me carrots and sweet potatoes without the skin

20:20

on the sweet potatoes, I can eat them.

20:24

I also eat a lot of artichokes which is so

20:26

great for liver detoxification and really high in nitric oxide.

20:28

I eat a lot of bib

20:30

lettuce, but I don't eat arugula

20:32

again, you know, that sulfur, I don't eat any of

20:34

the Swiss charts, finish, forget it. And

20:37

so I look to... So tell me about arugula one

20:39

more time because of the sulfur it's an issue for

20:41

you? Arugula has sulfur. Got

20:44

it. So people who can't process sulfur

20:46

don't eat arugula, but otherwise

20:48

arugula is okay for you. It's

20:50

really good. And again, hierarchy of needs. If

20:52

you need to metabolize a little bit of estrogen,

20:55

then baby arugula, not

20:57

every day can actually be quite good. And

21:01

cooking it will be better, just

21:03

kind of sort of just sauteing it a little

21:05

bit in butter and it

21:07

takes that bite down. Do

21:10

you ever feel guilty though? Like I buy

21:12

arugula, you get five ounces, it's in this

21:14

giant plastic clam and then you

21:16

throw it on the stove and you light the stove

21:18

and it instantly goes and it's like

21:20

three bites. It's three bites. So

21:22

I just spend five bucks on three

21:25

bites of stupid green stuff. I feel

21:27

victimized. Well,

21:30

the way to help obviate that is that

21:32

you stick some other stuff in there that

21:34

will help it grow. Like

21:37

steak. Is that the best? Exactly.

21:40

Like steak or something that doesn't

21:42

break down. Potatoes have

21:44

become a resistant starch unless you have

21:46

a dysbiotic gut. They're not

21:49

terrible. But potatoes also are

21:51

higher in oxalate. They are. Again,

21:53

hierarchy of needs. So this is where

21:55

what I look to the non-negotiables,

21:58

spinach. It's

22:02

just like what are you doing? Let's just build some

22:04

shard in our system. Almonds, super

22:07

super high in oxalates. And

22:09

we also have to consider the crossover of

22:12

oxalates and molds. So berries that

22:14

can be high in mold

22:17

will help you get more oxalates. They're

22:20

oxalate builders because the mold

22:23

will create that oxalobacter bacteria,

22:25

oxalic acid. They go

22:27

together. That's why Candida, which is

22:29

a fungal species, you will see that

22:31

your oxalic acid, if you do an

22:33

organic acid test when you have Candida, is

22:35

going to be elevated. And so

22:37

that's why we stay away from molds. Molds

22:39

are tricky with oxalates. I have an oxalate

22:42

mold berry story. You want to hear it? Yes,

22:44

please. All right. Years ago,

22:47

when I'm recovering from

22:49

being a raw vegan, and I

22:52

started developing the fertility diet that

22:54

was behind the Better Baby book,

22:56

my first book. A lot of listeners don't know that I

22:58

spent five years writing a book on fertility that taught me

23:00

a lot. I go to the farmer's

23:02

market. And I'd go

23:05

there. Sometimes we had just my daughter at

23:08

the time. And I have this kid on my back and I'm

23:10

pulling a red wagon to buy

23:12

all the vegetables and stuff.

23:15

And I buy berries,

23:17

but not just a few. I

23:19

buy like 20 little boxes of

23:22

red raspberries. They're so good. And

23:25

then I know they mold. So I

23:27

take them home and I'd spread them out on

23:29

little drying trays. And I'd spray them

23:31

with grapefruit seed extract so they wouldn't

23:33

mold. I'm very careful. I'm a trained

23:36

raw vegan after all. And I put

23:38

them in the fridge and

23:40

I'd eat them throughout the week because I know raspberries are good for

23:42

you. They make you live forever. And

23:44

after a while, I'm like, God, I

23:46

got to pee. And I'm like leaking sometimes. I

23:48

have to pee like 25 times a day. And

23:51

I go to my doctor and he's like, that's weird.

23:53

We'll go to this top guy in San Francisco. And

23:55

I go in there and I go in for this

23:57

meeting and he goes, I don't know. Here. It's

24:00

this giant camera and sticks it in my

24:02

dick hole. Oh, is that a medical term?

24:06

I'm like, Oh my God. And

24:08

like, I don't know that that is not

24:10

an in hole for me anyway. And,

24:14

Oh, that was traumatic. And afterwards it comes

24:16

out and was like, I'm not into anything.

24:18

I'm like, what

24:20

did you just do to me? This is horrible. So

24:23

I go home and I'm just, and I

24:25

dug and I dug and I saw

24:27

somewhere in some little form, Oh, sometimes raspberries make you

24:29

have to pee and they thought it was a lagic

24:31

acid. It's not what's going

24:33

on is raspberries are high in oxalates. I

24:36

was getting, cause I was all seeing a huge amount

24:38

of plants and I wasn't oxalate aware enough. I

24:41

was getting high levels of razor

24:44

sharp crystals in my urethra. And

24:47

so I had to pee all the time. And

24:49

so I finally figured it out. I stopped like,

24:51

okay, that's so much better. And to

24:53

this day, I just had a friend recently

24:56

like, Oh, you have interstitial

24:58

cystitis, do you, maybe you should put

25:00

away the kale and raspberries. And literally

25:02

three days later, it's like it went

25:04

away. Like you didn't have interstitial cystitis.

25:06

You had oxalate poisoning from eating foods

25:08

you think are healthy, but aren't. Yeah,

25:12

this happens. So I just, I paid for

25:14

it with a camera. Oh my goodness, Dave,

25:16

ouch. That is not a story to be

25:18

repeated. People

25:20

listening, especially it seems like more women get it than men.

25:23

And to be clear, I also had toxic mold

25:26

and I had to had candida before and

25:29

oxalates build up over time. You can remove them

25:31

from the body. Even

25:33

probably it's more possible than people believe.

25:36

And I think I found a good way to do

25:38

it. And I can share some

25:41

info about that with you and with listeners if

25:43

you're interested, but it takes, it takes work and

25:46

time. And that then

25:48

has the effect of causing you to

25:50

have less histamine response, which

25:52

has an effect of just having

25:55

less kidney stones, less joint pain,

25:57

less other neurological issues and things

25:59

like that. but it is probably

26:01

a multi-year process. It is

26:03

a multi-year process, absolutely. Especially

26:06

when we're overcalcifying with

26:08

a lot of remineralization.

26:11

So when we become out of

26:13

mineral balance, this will also impact

26:15

the oxalate burden. Because it's

26:17

going to hold on to any calcium you're taking

26:20

in. The only one that I would say

26:22

is a counter to the oxalate

26:24

crystals is some level of calcium citrate through

26:26

dairy. That's why you're so smart with butter.

26:30

I don't think calcium citrate works. Really?

26:33

Yeah. Interesting. Not

26:35

supplementally. I'm talking about through dairy. Dairy

26:38

seems to help, but is the

26:40

form of calcium in dairy primarily

26:42

calcium citrate? It has a lot of calcium

26:44

citrate in it. If that was more calcium

26:46

phosphorus, then calcium citrate in dairy. It's

26:49

a combination from what I understand. You

26:51

may be right on that. Can't

26:54

quote. I haven't looked at the phosphorus

26:56

piece of the... Yeah. It's

26:58

mostly in the protein to you, not in the

27:00

fat. I don't believe butter has a lot of

27:02

calcium in it. There's more of the fat solubles.

27:06

The deuterate is very good for the bacteria,

27:08

which helps the alkylobacter. Maybe that's

27:10

the indirect. That's the indirect piece of it. So

27:12

tell me all of your strategies for getting rid

27:15

of this oxalate thing. Because oxalates are part of

27:17

it. And you can't have glyphosate to your point.

27:19

And then we're going to talk some more about

27:21

amyloid anyway. Because amyloid pisses

27:23

me off and so does industrial

27:26

farming. But so does the vegan diet.

27:28

So the fact that torturing animals

27:31

is bad for them, and bad for

27:33

you, and bad for the world is a fact. The

27:36

fact that you need to eat ethically treated animals

27:38

to show up in the world the way you

27:40

can is also a fact. So

27:42

banning animals eating animals

27:45

is dumb. And will

27:47

result in probably the destruction of

27:49

our species. So we're not going to let them do that.

27:52

But also treating animals poorly is dumb. So

27:55

the obvious answer is don't eat mistreated

27:57

animals, but eat animals. And when someone

27:59

mistreats animals... Punch them in the face. Boy,

28:02

that would be mistreating a human animal. Another

28:04

animal. I thought I had a good strategy

28:06

there. It sounded good. But

28:08

don't spend money with those people. That's

28:12

very important. You put your food dollars

28:15

to vote against or for

28:17

something. And

28:19

to your point of what do I

28:21

eat and stories repeated, you didn't repeat

28:23

the story in your life because you

28:25

stopped eating the oxlet. Amazing,

28:28

right? And who knew that a good berry, for

28:30

me, my oxlet story, and I'll get to the

28:33

amyloids in a minute, is I started making all

28:35

these blackberry smoothies. The first two days I felt

28:37

great. By the

28:39

second week, I had shards of crystals

28:41

under my footpaths. Oh,

28:43

yeah. I thought they were fine. I'm not going

28:46

to do that again. I will

28:48

not do that again. So these oxlets

28:50

and what are my strategies? So

28:53

we really have to alkalize

28:55

the oxlet crystals the more

28:58

we acidify, the

29:00

more we can endanger or augment

29:02

those crystals. So they say

29:04

that lemon and lime actually

29:07

break down. It becomes alkaline

29:09

and it's a pH alkalinity

29:11

as you metabolize the lemon. However,

29:14

this is where the nuanced approach in my

29:16

practice really is really

29:18

effective and pioneering. If

29:21

you've had a lot of stones

29:24

and your kidneys are irritated because you're

29:26

also not breaking down protein and you

29:28

have a sulfur issue, then actually

29:30

any kind of citric acid, which

29:33

tends to be an emulsifier, can

29:35

be a problem. And we know

29:38

that vitamin C and high doses actually will increase

29:40

the oxalate burden. So, yeah, so high dose vitamin

29:42

C is bad news, guys. Yeah. And

29:45

so be very careful with

29:47

IVs. So IVs have become

29:49

the bomb, right? And

29:52

we know that vitamin C is

29:54

an immune builder. It helps with

29:56

our pandemic. However, IVs are a

29:59

very good thing. user beware

30:01

because those high doses are

30:04

going to increase your oxalate

30:06

burden and this is another

30:08

dirty little secret is that

30:10

it will also increase your iron absorption.

30:12

Well guess what iron does now Dave?

30:15

It makes amyloids and iron

30:18

becomes lipid like so

30:20

it becomes a fat soluble something

30:22

that's going to further feed the

30:24

mold which encases itself in a

30:26

lipid layer. So

30:29

high iron is we've known for a long

30:31

time from a longevity perspective that's bad news

30:34

and I did not know the mechanism of

30:36

action also included making amyloid but there you

30:39

go. So it's getting pretty

30:41

complex though so we're saying you got a lower

30:43

oxalates and you're saying that

30:46

lemon and lime even though they're acidic

30:48

that they're alkalizing how

30:51

does how does that work out? They come in acidic

30:54

but the end the end product

30:56

is their pH balancing however however

30:59

if you're too irritated then lemon

31:01

and lime are going to irritate those nephrons which

31:03

are the cells of the kidneys and they're

31:05

gonna hurt your joints. So so what

31:08

we tend to do is we tend

31:10

to look at what is an emulsifier

31:13

which I absolutely love salt.

31:16

Oh my gosh you mean having more

31:18

salt and water every time you drink

31:21

water the way we've been talking about

31:23

for years would be beneficial

31:25

for you oh my gosh it would be but

31:27

what about kidney stones? Everyone knows salt causes kidney

31:29

stones. Terry didn't you read all the papers on

31:31

how a high salt diet causes kidney stones? Oh

31:33

my gosh only a high salt diet if the

31:35

salt has been demineralized.

31:38

Oh you mean

31:40

you need traits minerals and high

31:42

amounts and you're detoxing what if

31:45

someone put those in coffee that

31:47

would be terrible. That would be

31:49

dangerous. Right

31:53

So absolutely so, we have

31:55

to redeploy a mineral balance.

32:00

And we have to get solved

32:02

back into our diet. Folks, This

32:04

is. So. Important. They've.

32:07

Done new study that mineralize

32:09

sea salt. Not. Only is an

32:11

emulsifier actually help lower blood pressure? That.

32:15

We've been told with a devil is

32:17

not. In one of

32:19

my for years big talks about

32:22

a health effects. That

32:24

one of these first major time

32:26

that I presented to the nonprofit that

32:28

ended up running we would have these

32:31

is hop experts come in from

32:33

previous generation because like Doctor Sinatra, Julian

32:35

Whitaker in one of the early early

32:37

longevity guys I am houses how

32:39

I became a bio hackers. I've learned

32:42

from people in their seventies and eighties

32:44

as much ways and I said

32:46

i I'm falling and give my own

32:48

talks. I'm a leader or like a

32:51

i'm a curator but I'll soon

32:53

be content creators. My first big

32:55

tacos about salt. And. It was

32:57

your all these different studies like

32:59

the-tired and. The. Closing

33:01

slide was from. The.

33:03

Former head of the American. A

33:06

Society of Hypertension to this is a

33:08

doctor who studies blood pressure and he

33:10

said one's gonna measure sodium, excretion and

33:12

a whole bunch of people to see

33:14

how much eat and set of believing

33:16

religious studies about Armitage Sodium to job

33:18

Yes the I'll write that down for

33:20

yeah. And. if the

33:22

end of setting three thousand people who suffer years

33:24

he'd said into the day. If. You

33:26

want to live longer? Eat more salt.

33:29

And as I close on my presentation

33:31

after going through twenty studies and was

33:33

wrong with them so you're right in

33:35

his salts assault at least she's older

33:37

saw from a mine. ideally because a

33:39

micro by six is part of it

33:42

in the house of oxalates. How

33:45

would one know if they're able to do

33:47

lemon juice? So. The

33:49

way you know is. That each a lemon on

33:51

an anti semites in each year? To things

33:53

that one yet to look at. What is

33:55

the so yeah constitution of your esophagus. it

33:57

as a dental down at it and you have acid

34:00

flux stay away from any acid. But

34:02

if you eat lemon and it actually you

34:04

feel jointy in 25 to

34:07

2 hours out, you are actually

34:09

contributing to an oxalate crystal burden.

34:13

Are you sure? I think that's nonsense.

34:17

Food works out fast. No, I don't think that's why.

34:19

Tell me. It doesn't work

34:21

that fast. The other thing

34:23

that lemon is known to do is

34:26

to release histamine from

34:28

cells. What you do is you

34:30

take a quarter of a Benadryl with your lemon juice

34:32

and then you don't get sore joints. I'm going to

34:34

argue that it's histamine, not oxalate. Brilliant.

34:38

Brilliant. Thank

34:40

you. You're welcome. I went

34:42

down both of those paths because of all the

34:44

mold and stuff I've been exposed to. I've had issues

34:47

with histamine for years.

34:50

Issues with oxalate, they tend to go hand in

34:52

hand. The oxalate thing was probably toxic mold and

34:55

being vegan when I didn't

34:58

know any better. That's why I'm so

35:00

passionate about helping vegans see the error

35:02

of their ways and preventing them from

35:04

forcing my children onto their sick path

35:06

that is anti-life. But

35:08

I'm not judgey at all or anything like that. To

35:13

your point on that histamine, because if you look at a

35:15

lot of the limonene and

35:18

grapefruit in

35:20

phase one liberty talk to vacation, which that

35:22

shunts it a little bit, it's going to increase

35:24

your histamine load. That is a brilliant observation. Thank

35:27

you, Dave. You're welcome.

35:29

I know you're a brilliant clinician and

35:32

I have a lot of respect for what you do. It

35:34

brings me great joy to say, you're wrong because I totally could

35:36

be wrong when I say that. I just like to be

35:38

triggering. I think it's a yes and because the city really

35:40

is. It is a yes and. There's

35:44

another thing that seems to be

35:46

important. I like to give credit

35:48

where credit is due when I

35:50

can. This comes from Chris Masterjohn.

35:52

He was, I think, episode number

35:54

six or number eight of Almost

35:57

1,200 episodes years ago. The

36:00

Out: a biochemist researcher and he just was

36:02

I in the last couple months and we

36:04

talked about this a bit and and he

36:07

says it doesn't make sense. As humans we

36:09

are unable to remove oxalate be a some

36:11

metabolic pathway. it's probably just blocks and he's

36:13

a master blocks pathways. So.

36:16

He said it's probably by independent

36:18

and here's why. Ah, so. I'm

36:21

he is a great paper and we tax round

36:23

the show about how what level of by it

36:25

and you will need to be healthy and. He.

36:27

Thinks a substantial portion people have a blocker

36:29

the in lot more side take like. Way.

36:32

More by it's and the know see

36:34

voters my body needs at but for

36:37

most people it's enough under I think

36:39

it's under a milligram but cranking your

36:41

by it's and up to the levels

36:44

that works for you may be really

36:46

helpful. I notice when a crank my

36:48

by it's in up that I got

36:50

oxalates detoxing issues like really deep symbols

36:53

which is a sign of Oxley Chrysalis

36:55

from now through the skin. ah that

36:57

as a combination of not just lemon

37:00

juice which are was to stringing here.

37:02

I do about two to four ounces

37:04

dame. And which is

37:06

a relatively high amounts, but I worked my

37:08

way up to it. I'm I also do.

37:11

A. Task him sidr it. Instead.

37:13

Of calcium citrus you cause you

37:15

sodium citrate to you don't want

37:17

to Moscow's hims I do I'm

37:19

in divided doses six grams of

37:21

potassium situated day. Which. Is

37:23

basically two teaspoons that's a meaningful man

37:26

of potassium which your body needs if

37:28

you have enough sodium. If you take

37:30

damage potassium in a list of they'll

37:32

but you are said to spoil. Warning

37:34

guys, don't gotta do that. Because

37:37

too much potassium without sodium can

37:39

give you arrhythmia. Had uncivil hire

37:41

a can smack. good stats having

37:43

adequate levels of them and are

37:45

very important. And. The reason? use

37:47

the situate for me you could you have sodium

37:50

citrate Happened have some situation where it is that

37:52

citric acid is also going to go in and

37:54

when I get my levels right. When.

37:56

I wake up in the morning and I p. if

37:58

he is cloudy which means it's full

38:01

of oxalate that my body is releasing, but

38:03

I don't have the other symptoms of that.

38:05

So I've managed to titrate it, but you

38:07

take away my biotin, you take

38:09

away the potassium citrate, or

38:12

you take away the lemon juice, it doesn't work as well.

38:15

So that's the Dave recipe, but I think

38:17

your mileage may vary depending on what your

38:19

body is up to. Exactly. And those are

38:22

phenomenal. The cherry recipe, which

38:24

you've asked me just a few minutes ago, is

38:26

that I take a

38:29

lot of my

38:31

wildlife. So that I invented

38:33

for a Division I athlete that could not

38:35

handle any electrolyte powder. And

38:38

so because of her sulfate

38:40

and oxalate sensitivity. This

38:42

is a watermelon based product, right?

38:44

Yeah, it's watermelon, cilantro, and sea

38:46

salt. And it is amazing for

38:48

breaking down. So you

38:51

have this sodium potassium exchange, and

38:54

we have the watermelon, which is really

38:56

high in citrulline, which is gonna increase

38:58

your nitric oxide, but it also decreases

39:00

uric acid, right? So uric acid is

39:02

really a bad boy. And then uric acid is

39:04

gonna cross over with ammonia. So if you're eating

39:06

the bad meat, you're gonna get a triple whammy. I

39:10

also look to vitamin B6 in the form of

39:12

P5P, that's been known to manage

39:14

the oxalate burden, right?

39:16

So P5P, my wildlife,

39:19

super salt, super

39:21

salt. And I start every morning with

39:23

a green juice to help to alkalize

39:25

my body. For me, acidity kicks

39:28

my butt. With a green

39:30

juice, so you put like kale. No.

39:34

What's in your green juice? So

39:36

I do cucumber because it's got

39:38

silica, also helps to bind oxalate

39:40

acid. But it has lectins in it. It

39:43

does, but I'm no less worried about lectins. Very

39:45

few people have cucumber lectin sensitivities. I don't worry

39:47

about it either for that one. Lectins,

39:50

I think on the hierarchy of needs, that's like

39:52

number seven for me. Unless

39:54

you're particularly sensitive to one type, you'll know

39:56

it. There are people where you take a

39:58

bite, you know. They don't do that

40:01

one, but for most people I agree they're not

40:03

the most important but high-looking foods are probably bad.

40:05

But cucumber is not high. So

40:07

anyway, just a little side. Cucumber

40:09

and cilantro. I love cilantro because

40:11

it is a liver detoxifier. It's

40:14

a heavy metal chelator. It is

40:16

high in chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is going to help

40:19

oxygenate and it's going to help my mitochondria.

40:22

It's not even though it's high in

40:24

iron, it's an iron that is bioavailable.

40:28

Iron is a very bad thing

40:30

and the work of Morley, Dr.

40:33

Morley-Robbins, who's wonderful. We've

40:36

collaborated a lot. It's

40:39

the bioavailability of iron. It's

40:42

when it gets stuck in the tissues. We actually had,

40:44

and this is really interesting as a

40:46

sidebar, but very fascinating in how

40:48

well-meaning doctors can actually almost kill you. We

40:51

had a client who had a hemoglobin of two. So

40:54

they said, we need to infuse you with iron. We

40:56

need to give you an iron infusion. I said, please

40:59

do not do that. Please do not do that. Your

41:01

iron is not bioavailable. It is stuck in your tissue.

41:04

So they gave her an iron infusion. Iron went to 600. She

41:08

had a pulmonary embolism and

41:11

she turned on three autoimmune conditions. So

41:14

the iron turned on the amyloids. The iron turned

41:16

on all of her biofilm and turned on

41:18

line. Oh my gosh. So

41:22

it's really important that we understand

41:24

the bioavailability of what we're bringing into

41:26

our body. And

41:28

so alkalinity for me is number one. Acidity

41:30

is going to kick my petucus. And it's

41:33

probably a combination of histamine and the acid

41:35

that hurts. Like if I drink lemon juice

41:37

alone, I can feel it in my kidneys.

41:39

In 30 seconds, I am

41:41

less histamine-y only

41:43

until this pandemic, which slipped me a

41:46

little bit. But acid

41:48

can be problematic unless you're buffering it. And I

41:50

think, Dave, the reason why you have such an amazing

41:52

beyond the fact that you were saying that it's

41:55

the phosphorus, right? I'm

41:57

from Derry. From Derry. Yeah. And

42:00

the lemon is actually the histamine, which

42:02

you're obviating with a Benadryl. I

42:05

don't have to do that every day. In

42:07

fact, I almost don't need to do Benadryl

42:10

with lemon juice, but for people who get that symptom,

42:12

you would do it just for a few days. And

42:14

I do take, I've been recommending for the

42:17

whole pandemic, I take Claritin. I think blocking

42:19

histamine is probably a good longevity strategy at

42:21

this point. Like everyone should be on Claritin

42:23

if you want to live longer because they

42:25

have less inflammation in the world's inflammatory right

42:28

now. I think an anti-inflammatory via an antihistamine

42:30

is phenomenal. One that I love

42:32

is the DAO enzyme because

42:34

if you, and again, back to genetics, if

42:37

you're missing that DAO enzyme,

42:39

then an antihistamine of

42:41

a histamine two blocker may not be sufficient.

42:43

You've got to look to that replacement of

42:45

that enzyme, which is going to then lower

42:47

that histamine response and sort of just how

42:49

things are turned on a light switch turns

42:51

on another light switch and all of a

42:53

sudden you're on fire. It's the

42:56

similar cascade backwards. Right. When

42:58

you turn on histamine response, the oxalates

43:00

can be better, the sulfur is going to be

43:02

better, and then you can manage these loads differently.

43:04

Histamine is a very big deal right now. So

43:08

I wasn't going to talk with

43:11

histamine or talk with you about histamine, but

43:13

it seems like we should have a

43:15

little side chat about that. I

43:19

have found that I've

43:21

went really deep on mass cells, which

43:24

are activated in chronic fatigue. They're activated

43:26

by toxic molds and they're activated

43:28

by COVID or other viruses

43:30

when you have long COVID. So we have

43:32

this mystery chronic fatigue thing. It's really just

43:35

these immune cells called mass cells that

43:37

are like landmines. And then

43:39

they get supposed to be activated by a real threat.

43:42

They get activated by non threats. And when one of

43:44

them goes off, it sets them all off. They release

43:46

histamine. There's our histamine sensitivity. So if you block histamine

43:48

for a while, they start to chill

43:50

out. And then when one of them gets set off, they don't

43:52

set off the rest. And about

43:54

80 percent of people seem to respond

43:56

well to claritin and pepsid taken twice

43:59

a day. in the morning and at

44:01

night. So that was a recommendation I could only put

44:03

on telegram during the last three years, because for some

44:05

reason, when I put it up or else, it got

44:07

just shut down, but it seemed to make people not

44:09

have long COVID. Oh,

44:12

sorry, I love it. Long Bovid, I'm sorry, that

44:14

was gonna make me think out. Yeah, that's what

44:16

I was talking about just in case, because censorship

44:18

is not real, just really quick. All

44:21

right, there, I've confused the algorithms enough. So,

44:25

all hail Zuckerberg. What

44:28

else was I saying? Okay, so we

44:30

have 80% of people

44:32

doing that, but it blocks stomach

44:34

acid. So I tell people take the TANHCL. What

44:37

else besides the DAO enzyme you're talking

44:39

about, what else should people be doing

44:42

that they're not doing? For instance,

44:44

An anti-pistemic, which has been

44:46

a real long-term play in this world

44:48

of the pandemic, is quercetin.

44:51

Quercetin is a mast cell stabilizer. Quercetin

44:54

with bromelain is a wonderful combination

44:56

because it's also going to help

44:58

that protein digestion. And

45:01

so taking that is a really, it's

45:03

very rare that someone can't do quercetin

45:05

with bromelain. The only time quercetin would

45:08

be contraindicated is if your phase one

45:10

liver detoxification is so backed up, so

45:13

backed up that you gotta open up those

45:16

channels a little bit, and then do it

45:18

with salt, do it with zinc.

45:21

However, zinc will increase your iron loads. So

45:23

we gotta be careful, we got over zinc

45:26

over these last several years. Yeah, it

45:29

happens a lot. I really

45:31

like quercetin with bromelain. Also

45:33

a big, easy, cheap thing

45:36

is charcoal, folks. One

45:39

of the original biohacks for

45:41

years. It was probably the third product I

45:43

made at Bulletproof was charcoal. Talk to me

45:45

about charcoal histamine and oxalate. How does that

45:47

work? When do I use it? So I

45:50

love charcoal. If I'm going to do anything,

45:52

when I go out and I'm not certain

45:54

about who's gonna be preparing the food and

45:56

what ingredients could be hidden in that. plate

46:00

of mine, I will, I will what I

46:02

call bookend of my, my, my meal with

46:04

charcoal. So I will take it beforehand and

46:07

I will take it afterwards. It's a wonderful

46:09

antihistamine. I do not travel, I don't leave

46:11

my house without charcoal. It's in my purse.

46:14

It's a binder. It's an

46:16

alkalizer. It breaks it down. And

46:18

you're the expert on charcoal way deeper than I

46:20

am. But I find that that is you

46:23

not to take it every day because it binds to

46:25

everything and then you're not gonna, you're going to

46:27

be demineralized. But in those strategic times, it's

46:31

a masterful, easy hack,

46:33

especially if you've set off an autonomic

46:36

nervous system response where histamine keeps hitting

46:38

your gut, and you can't stop

46:40

going to the bathroom. Take charcoal.

46:43

Yeah, if you eat some food like that

46:45

leftover turkey, or maybe even worse

46:48

leftover pork, or leftover

46:50

fish, and you're like you get disaster

46:52

pants, it wasn't the MCT oil and

46:54

the dressing guys. It was, it's

46:56

a very common cause of food poisoning. People don't

46:58

know food poisoning, they just think they have diarrhea,

47:00

because they eat so much leftovers will do that

47:02

to you. It's your body going to have histamine

47:04

in the gut, get it out. And

47:07

you can throw it up, or you can poop it out.

47:09

But you know, if if I feel

47:11

that coming on, like, like there's any kind

47:14

of a fraction of a Benadryl will stop it almost instantly.

47:16

I get it at a lot of restaurants, restaurant food is

47:19

not that fresh. I don't eat out that often for that

47:21

reason. But it's

47:24

a it's kind of a magical tool and

47:26

activated charcoal. I choose one of

47:28

the two. So if I'm really like, Oh my god,

47:30

something's not right. And you can feel

47:32

it maybe you're coughing a little bit, you start

47:34

feeling your brain shutting down, this is all histamine

47:36

stuff. Yeah. So then what I'll do is I'll

47:38

take three charcoals, or charcoals, I

47:40

don't get constipated easily. So I'll take those.

47:44

But then I'll, I'll take a

47:46

pink Benadryl thing, they should be compounded, but whatever.

47:48

And I'll just bite off like a quarter of

47:50

it and I'll put under my tongue so it

47:52

absorbs. And then magic, I don't get brain fog,

47:54

I don't get the shits. And

47:57

everything is fine and normal. I'm not coughing.

48:00

I'm looking at me going to

48:02

what are you talking about this never happens to

48:04

me actually yes it does you just think it's

48:06

normal you go to restaurants feel like shit afterwards and

48:08

you just think you're supposed to feel like shit.

48:11

You're not there's a whole different level of

48:13

consistently feeling amazing and when you feel it

48:15

a few times you go maybe i can

48:18

feel that way all the time you start

48:20

recognizing what does i don't think i'm that

48:22

delicate of a flower but i know my

48:24

mold set me up for this my

48:27

exposure to it. I need some

48:29

genetics but it's all hackable and so

48:31

i love it we're having this detailed

48:33

conversations some people are glazing over these

48:36

are tricks that no one talks about no. Make

48:39

out and it's easy and you know that

48:41

the histamine and histamine with a

48:43

charcoal at the person with the

48:45

charcoal also works so either

48:47

of those two is an easy hack. Pro

48:51

a short short term it

48:53

in your mouth it took about two seconds and

48:55

you just avoided disaster for the next week potentially

48:57

because then you're going down all these rabbit holes

49:00

going to doctors saying do i have parasites to

49:02

have leaky get what do i have you had

49:04

a histamine response. And

49:07

histamine responses can be all over the

49:10

map and they can be

49:12

neurological they can be as much as. Schizophrenia

49:15

yeah and you're saying what one of

49:18

the things that taught me about this early on

49:20

this probably 25 years ago i read this really

49:22

cool book. About rotation

49:24

diets which are enormously annoying and something

49:26

you don't need to do anymore I

49:29

did him for two years straight, where you had to look at

49:31

what class of food everything it was like playing

49:33

rubik's cube with your diet and.

49:37

The guy who had written this book and I wish I remembered his

49:39

name is too long ago he had

49:41

found that he had patients. Were

49:44

schizophrenic and he put him on a clean diet

49:46

and in a room with clean air and

49:49

they become fine and then walk

49:51

in and someone would just breathe second hand smoke

49:53

on him and then they would go back to

49:56

thinking they were Jesus and

49:58

like oh my gosh that's a history. What's the

50:00

main response? They're allergic to it. And

50:03

so maybe that's what's going on with

50:05

you. And what we just talked about here so far

50:07

is if you manage history

50:09

and levels, you may feel way better.

50:11

You manage oxalate levels, you may feel

50:13

way better. What

50:15

about amyloids? Let's talk about, you and

50:17

I both agree chicken is not great

50:19

food, especially from

50:21

industrial chickens. And industrial

50:24

meat isn't great food because it's mean

50:26

to the animals, bad for soil. And

50:28

it's probably better than eating crickets or

50:30

soybeans for humans. But

50:34

I want to talk

50:36

more about amyloids, amyloid excretion, what we

50:38

can do if there's no choice but

50:40

eating regular industrial meat. This

50:43

is a really big passion focus

50:45

for me because

50:47

of the massive downstream impact

50:50

of autoimmunity and

50:52

acute illness that these amyloids

50:54

are creating. And

50:57

the anti-longevity play, if you eat the dirty

50:59

bird, you're just shortening their life literally in

51:01

the United States. I can say that unequivocally.

51:04

Why? So as

51:07

we talked about, the tortured

51:09

animals have these truncated protein

51:12

structures in their tissues that cannot

51:14

be destroyed by any cooking process that has

51:16

been created to date. And

51:19

so one of the things that I believe

51:21

I was pioneering in is that I

51:24

had an end stage cancer client

51:26

who had amyloid doses, end stage

51:29

amyloid doses, turned to

51:31

cancer, wrapped around his heart, put him

51:33

into congestive heart and kidney failure. Two

51:35

rounds of chemo failed. He was given

51:37

his last right. Go

51:40

home and die. And somehow they found

51:42

me. This is over a decade ago. And

51:46

I started researching what the heck are amyloids. I'm like, oh my

51:48

God, where are they coming from? Oh, they're coming

51:50

from our food supply. Holy moly. What do amyloids

51:52

do? Oh, they make cancer. Oh, they

51:54

turn on viruses. They

51:56

create autoimmunity. And so

51:58

this gentleman that had been given in his last right,

52:01

the marker of amyloids in his body were light

52:03

chains within three months of reducing the

52:05

amyloid burden, taking down a cystaminous sulfur,

52:08

he had he had the full enchilada

52:10

sulfur, oxalitis, meaning he had to manage it all.

52:13

His light chains and normal. Well, that's

52:15

impossible. Is what? Light chains, which

52:17

are the marker for amyloids. Okay. And how do

52:19

I get that measured? It's

52:21

a blood blood test. Okay, it's

52:23

a live blood cell analysis. Yes, live

52:26

blood cell. It's light chain. And

52:28

I don't think it has to be live blood cells. It's

52:30

just your serum, it is a live blood cell. Serum, serum

52:32

blood, just go get it and they'll test your light

52:34

chain members. Okay. So this

52:36

site is alive a

52:39

decade later. No cancer, go

52:41

figure. So I thought I was on

52:43

to something. So what else do amyloids do? Oh, my

52:45

gosh, they help spark

52:48

the viruses that live within us that have

52:51

been hanging out, leaving us alone, because we've

52:53

all been exposed. Viral structures

52:55

are us. There's more

52:57

of them than us virus bacteria,

52:59

fungi, parasites, we coexist. Well, they

53:03

make them bullies in our sandbox. And

53:06

then all of a sudden, you had mono

53:08

when you were 14. And now at 40,

53:10

you have Hashimoto's and they put you on

53:12

a bunch of thyroid medication, but you can't

53:14

process that. So that thyroid medication makes you

53:17

Wonco and makes you gain 70 pounds because

53:19

you can't process the thyroid hormone, which

53:21

is turning on your estrogen, which is making

53:23

you fluffy and competing with

53:26

your serotonin. So it's making you super depressing.

53:29

Wow. Right.

53:31

So amyloids now

53:34

are contributing to

53:36

this. Borrow reactivation.

53:39

But guess what they also do? The

53:42

fragments build biofilm. And

53:45

they take DNA fragments from our GI tract,

53:47

which multiply every three or you know, they

53:50

regenerate every four to five days. Wow. Those

53:52

fragments will create biofilm. And that

53:55

biofilm is going to fortify your

53:57

mold. It's going to fortify anything that

53:59

has had a lipid structure, Candida

54:03

strap. Strap

54:05

is tied to a

54:07

pediatric neuropsychiatric disorder, which I

54:09

work a lot with. Amazing.

54:14

Trying to kill their parents and they are

54:16

seven. I work a lot

54:18

with that. And we've been very successful

54:20

against Candace. Against? Against

54:24

this pediatric autoimmune neuropsychiatric disorder.

54:26

We've been very successful, but

54:28

we've got to rid the viruses and

54:30

the bacteria. So it's not just about viral

54:32

reactivation. It's DNA fragments forming, high up film.

54:34

And then I, and then the biofilm will

54:36

make more amyloids. So I call it the

54:38

ping pong effect. Wow. And then the

54:40

amyloids will create the viral, will help protect the viral

54:43

structure. Hey, I've got a really

54:45

good recipe for, um, sliced

54:47

like slivered almonds, chicken

54:49

breasts, uh, on top of

54:51

kale salad. Uh, would you, would you like to

54:53

join me? No poison on my

54:56

plate. I'll pass. I'll go fast. Okay.

54:59

If you had to eat a bowl of almonds or chicken

55:01

breasts, which would it be? Oh my.

55:04

Oh, that is such

55:06

a, I would

55:08

say I would eat a bowl of,

55:11

oh, that is such a hard question. Pass Dave pass.

55:14

You can't pass. You got to eat one. Okay.

55:16

So I would say chicken

55:19

is so destructive and because in the pandemic

55:21

environment, we know despite protein makes them in

55:23

sectors of amyloids, I'll eat the almonds. And

55:25

then I'll take a bunch of. I

55:28

wild lights, vitamin B six

55:30

heck of a lot of salt,

55:32

some antihistamines and

55:34

try to pass the almonds. It's very

55:36

destructive, but guess what? The

55:38

oxalates also are, or they play with amyloids,

55:41

but it would be an indirect hit to

55:43

contribute to amyloids because of the biofilm

55:45

that they also create. It

55:48

was a trick question. You're supposed to say

55:50

that you eat the politician who is trying

55:52

to force you to choose between the two

55:54

because politicians are made out of meat. Oh

55:57

my God. I love it. I tried to pass. You gave me the.

56:01

By the way, any time a politician says they're

56:03

going to force you to eat crickets, the

56:06

answer is you're made out of meat and I don't eat crickets.

56:10

That's just how the world... I don't want to go dark

56:12

on things like that, but I mean, a man's got to

56:14

eat and a woman, apparently. But

56:17

it's like, we're just not going to do that. And I'm

56:19

not going to force my kids into

56:21

some sort of nonsense, climate

56:24

change driven thing. And we clearly

56:26

know who makes glyphosate.

56:28

We clearly know who allowed it to

56:31

be sprayed. We clearly know

56:33

who's doing this. And if they're going to

56:35

use regulations on this stuff, no. I will

56:37

not go back to feeling like shit all

56:39

the time because I spent too much of

56:41

my life doing it and

56:43

it was entirely avoidable. I shouldn't have

56:45

spent $2 million. First

56:48

half of that to fix myself, the other half, I just

56:50

did it for fun to upgrade myself. The

56:53

number of people suffering right now is enormous and

56:55

we did it and there are people who knew

56:57

what they were doing. And

56:59

I got to ask one more thing though. You

57:02

talked about B6. Earlier you

57:04

said that you use the form P5P. I've

57:08

been really vocal about something with B6. I'm going to

57:10

run it past you and see what your thoughts are.

57:14

Pyrodoxone HCl, which is the

57:16

synthetic form of vitamin B6,

57:18

it's in almost all supplements

57:21

that are out there that use B6. Only

57:23

5% of it converts in your body to

57:26

P5P, which is the active form. The

57:29

other 95% clogs up the receptors

57:31

for a thousand days. That

57:34

means that if you're not taking

57:36

P5P or a chelated form that's

57:38

basically the same as P5P, you're

57:40

almost certainly not helping a B6

57:42

deficiency. True or false? Well,

57:45

you are absolutely right.

57:47

It's that nobody should

57:49

be taking a non-kelated

57:51

or natural form of P5P for

57:53

multiple reasons. One is B

57:56

vitamins, when they're not utilized, will

57:58

actually... hyper acidify your

58:01

structure. So back to that

58:03

hyper acidity. Also, you will

58:05

see high B6 in your blood, you're

58:07

not assimilating it. So we should

58:09

get our B6 levels checked. If your B6

58:12

is too high, you're probably taking the wrong form.

58:15

A third level of the B6 is with

58:17

I work with a lot of MS and

58:20

Dave, again, not making

58:22

claims anecdotally, but we just not

58:24

only reverse someone's symptomology, but the

58:26

lesions were gone. But why not make

58:29

claims? Well, because then we get in

58:31

trouble. We're just saying... If

58:33

you had a patient who reverses, that's not

58:35

a claim. That's clear glove, my friend. You're

58:38

not going to claim you'll cure another person, but

58:40

you had a person reverse it. That's a

58:42

case report you can publish. Yes, we

58:44

can publish it. All the top neurologists are saying, how

58:47

did we do this? But it's not

58:49

like it's impossible. Terri

58:51

Walls is a friend. She's been on the show a

58:53

couple of times. She's a medical doctor who... What

58:55

did she do? She went on a diet

58:57

pretty similar to this. It wasn't low oxalate

59:00

intentionally, but it probably was

59:02

lower. But she also used the electrical

59:04

stimulation and she's lost of meat and lots of

59:06

grass fed meat. And I'd say I

59:08

have an 80% agreement with her nutritionally and I

59:10

use the electricity on myself too. It's one of

59:12

the biohacks. So she reversed it when she had...

59:15

She was in a wheelchair and she's like, runs

59:17

marathons. So if anyone says that you can't do

59:19

it, like, Terri's going to kick your ass, right?

59:23

Exactly. Both cherries are going to kick your ass. I

59:25

was going to say, I should say that Terri's will

59:27

kick your ass because you reversed it in a patient.

59:29

And I don't think that's a bad

59:32

thing to say. So you can't claim you can

59:34

cure everyone, but can you claim you cured someone?

59:36

Yeah. Absolutely. And the four neurologists were just

59:38

totally dumbfounded. It was oxalate, sulfur,

59:41

and protein because he had turned

59:43

on the varicella virus that attacked

59:45

his nervous system. And

59:48

so now this 39 year old

59:50

protein shames his friends. If

59:52

you're eating chicken, who turned on the amyloid,

59:54

who turned on the varicella, who may or

59:57

may not be able to walk. Wow. shaming

1:00:00

is a thing. So just online, someone

1:00:02

was saying, you know, some

1:00:04

kind of nonsense about protein, I

1:00:07

don't even remember the details of it,

1:00:09

but it had to do with plant

1:00:11

based proteins are the same because protein

1:00:13

is protein. And I'm like, that's awesome.

1:00:15

Because that means spider venom and gluten

1:00:17

are high protein, like we should use

1:00:19

those. And it's so stupid. Anyone has

1:00:21

like high protein, unless you know the

1:00:23

protein is it doesn't matter because some

1:00:25

proteins will kill you.

1:00:29

Now, what's the best

1:00:31

kind of protein is a grass fed beef

1:00:33

from wild caught cows that, you

1:00:35

know, okay, well, that's why I live in Texas. They're

1:00:38

wild enough here. Anyway, they're very

1:00:40

wild in Texas, indeed, Dave. So

1:00:43

my my observations and just

1:00:46

the evidence from the practice is

1:00:48

regenerative farming will take away the

1:00:50

problem that we created. These cows

1:00:53

didn't didn't

1:00:55

haven't been on the planet for millennia and all

1:00:58

of a sudden started breeding amyloids and these

1:01:00

chickens the same. So we get

1:01:02

back to regenerative farming, we will

1:01:04

get back to living as nature intended, which

1:01:06

is actually the subtitle of my book. And

1:01:09

while I say now in this

1:01:11

world of a pandemic where

1:01:13

we are amyloid burdened

1:01:15

on so many, I call it the

1:01:18

disruptive mirror effect. So it's disruptive, right?

1:01:20

We've got the amyloids coming from the

1:01:22

food supply. Now we know clinically in the

1:01:24

literature, hey, my protein makes amyloids go figure,

1:01:26

why would we want to overburden ourselves? Not

1:01:29

being wild or regenerative eating

1:01:31

methodology is non negotiable in

1:01:33

my book. The

1:01:35

potential bad thing is too

1:01:38

big. It's

1:01:40

too way too big. And

1:01:43

so living as nature intended

1:01:46

is how each of us should

1:01:48

be voting with how we decide to

1:01:50

spend our money on food. I kind

1:01:54

of like that, but we're not living as nature

1:01:56

intended. We're on zoom right now looking at blue

1:01:59

light screens and. We do other

1:02:01

things to help overcome limitations.

1:02:04

So I would like to know,

1:02:06

there are at least half of listeners right

1:02:08

now are not in a position to

1:02:11

always buy grass-fed meat because it's damn

1:02:13

expensive. Some bad people, we don't know

1:02:15

if they were funded by the cricket,

1:02:17

soy lobby or another government that hates

1:02:19

our people or maybe both, or maybe

1:02:22

they have the same thing. But someone's

1:02:24

been going through and burning meat

1:02:27

production, dairy production and even chicken production facilities,

1:02:29

thousands of them across the US, which is

1:02:31

one of the reasons food is so expensive.

1:02:34

Aside from the 40% of our currency that

1:02:36

was printed last year or created out of

1:02:38

thin air, which is basically stealing from your

1:02:40

bank account. There's

1:02:42

all that stuff going on, but they can't afford

1:02:45

it. So let's say

1:02:47

I've got two bucks a pound to spend

1:02:49

on protein for my family and I can buy, you

1:02:52

can go to the Costco business center

1:02:55

and you can buy decent quality

1:02:58

beef cuts, larger pieces, you got to cut them up

1:03:00

yourself, but you can buy them for two bucks a

1:03:02

pound. It's very affordable, but it's going to have amyloid

1:03:04

in it. It's not going to be organic. What

1:03:07

is my best strategy for eating

1:03:09

that and still thriving? Okay,

1:03:11

so great question. And I'm a Cuban refugee, Dave,

1:03:14

so I know how to stretch my food dollar.

1:03:18

So I think community is key here. If

1:03:21

you go out and buy a regenerative cow, regeneratively

1:03:24

raised cow, and you break

1:03:26

it down among your friends, you can

1:03:29

get to that very, very low price

1:03:31

point. So community is key

1:03:33

here. We're not going to all buy one

1:03:35

cow, but we can distribute it across

1:03:37

our friends. I'm doing it in my own neighborhood.

1:03:39

It's still six bucks a pound. It's still six bucks.

1:03:43

That's part one. And then

1:03:45

the second piece is you help

1:03:48

the food stretch. If

1:03:50

you do the ground, which let's say the ground bison

1:03:52

is $9.99 a pound, if you

1:03:54

can get it now, it's probably $11.99. Then

1:03:57

you take vegetables into

1:03:59

that are not. sulfur, non-oxalate

1:04:03

and you stretch that food dollar. But

1:04:05

vegetables are more expensive than meat on a

1:04:08

per calorie basis. It's five

1:04:10

bucks for a little

1:04:12

thing of arugula and it costs like

1:04:14

seven calories in it. That's true.

1:04:17

The arugula is expensive however if you

1:04:19

look at a zucchini, a zucchini is

1:04:21

not expensive. It's gonna cost you maybe

1:04:23

a dollar. If you look at

1:04:25

growing your own tomatoes, tomatoes are high

1:04:27

in lycopene. They are high, they're higher

1:04:29

in histamine but because they're also antiviral,

1:04:31

again back to the hierarchy. You're okay

1:04:34

with the tomato, the nightshades even. Interesting.

1:04:36

I don't have a nightshade. I really

1:04:38

think that sulfur and oxalate and hit

1:04:40

trump the nightshade. Got it.

1:04:42

And I've seen it over and over again

1:04:45

in my practice and again the high antiviral

1:04:47

nature of tomatoes puts them

1:04:49

into a happy place. Wow.

1:04:51

So the zucchini,

1:04:53

the yellow squash, the cucumber

1:04:56

even, you stretch it. It's

1:04:59

not going to be perfect. And then certain beans,

1:05:03

not black beans, those are terrible.

1:05:05

You guys don't even eat beans? Alright,

1:05:07

my phytic acid, oxalic

1:05:09

acid, farting, like we're not gonna

1:05:12

like after this. Alright, so beans.

1:05:14

Should we start smoking too? I

1:05:16

mean... We'll stretch your dollar, not

1:05:18

all beans. I like

1:05:20

the azuki bean is the highest in protein.

1:05:23

It's very low in histamine. So

1:05:25

not all beans. Black beans don't go near. Soy

1:05:28

of course is an oxalate and it's terrible

1:05:30

because it's highest. Pinto beans? I mean should

1:05:32

I go back to my New Mexico roots

1:05:34

and get some lard and refried pinto beans?

1:05:37

Not lard but I

1:05:39

believe... Have you seen my pigs? My pigs

1:05:41

are legit. They have lard. They'll make you

1:05:43

cry. Okay, they're happy lard. Not if you're

1:05:46

talking crisco. No, industrial lard is terrible. Okay,

1:05:48

yeah. Not industrial lard but actually tallow is

1:05:50

fantastic, right? So we can

1:05:54

really stretch our dollars and I've gotten to be

1:05:56

able to make a meal for about $3.57 and I

1:06:00

posted it on my Instagram with it's

1:06:02

very healthy and you're not going to we're not going

1:06:04

to be perfect Dave so this is the thing is

1:06:06

perfection not required right perfection not required

1:06:08

and so what is the least worst

1:06:11

option and if I'm trying

1:06:13

not to eat an amyloid chicken that's

1:06:15

going to cost me a lot per

1:06:17

pound anyway chicken breasts are very expensive

1:06:20

uh industrialized beef is

1:06:22

number two but if you can get

1:06:24

to like you said a Costco that's

1:06:26

even organic you're getting better it's

1:06:29

like how do we mitigate what

1:06:31

we can mitigate and again not going to be

1:06:33

perfect when I go out and I have nothing on the

1:06:35

menu I will go for a grass-fed

1:06:37

beef and I'll be okay can I do that

1:06:40

every day no but I can do

1:06:42

it enough and take my charcoal take my

1:06:45

any oxalids take my digestive

1:06:47

enzymes that are bromelan based

1:06:49

with a lot of enzymes that are plant-based are actually

1:06:51

made from aspergillus so it's going to be mold that's

1:06:53

going to make worse problems

1:06:56

so it's really understanding where do I

1:06:58

cross over and how do I feel

1:07:00

because once you start taking the large

1:07:02

burdens away then

1:07:04

you can manage the other

1:07:07

burdens now if I have to eat

1:07:09

industrialized meat if I'm forced fed then

1:07:11

I'll take serapeptase it's a proteolytic enzyme

1:07:13

it's going to help break down that

1:07:16

amyloid burden with the food or on an

1:07:18

empty stomach afterwards so proteolytic enzymes

1:07:20

typically are taking it on an empty stomach I

1:07:22

would take bromelain with my food a bromelain

1:07:25

enzyme with my food and a proteolytic enzyme

1:07:28

two hours uh what

1:07:30

two hours after one hour before my meal so

1:07:32

you do it in between so you're actually breaking

1:07:34

up those structures for

1:07:37

most of the last 20

1:07:39

years I've had between five and

1:07:41

ten of the large capsules of

1:07:44

serapeptase every night before bed and

1:07:48

just because I learned about

1:07:50

this at that longevity non-profit

1:07:53

group in Palo Alto that I used

1:07:55

to run and god this is

1:07:57

a really good strategy because it breaks up

1:07:59

thrombin and fibrinogen, which caused blood clotting.

1:08:01

And before I was 30, I was diagnosed to

1:08:03

being at high risk of stroke and heart attack

1:08:05

because I had excessive clotting in my blood. And

1:08:07

like, I'm not going to do that for

1:08:09

people listening. If you're eating

1:08:12

industrial meat, you might want to do that. If

1:08:14

you fly a lot, you might want to do that. If

1:08:17

you were unwillingly subjected to a

1:08:19

multi-billion person clinical trial of a

1:08:22

certain compound that shall not be

1:08:24

named, you might want to do

1:08:26

that because the data shows you

1:08:28

might magically have more clotting and

1:08:31

this stuff breaks up clotting and it also

1:08:33

can break up amyloid. So this would be

1:08:35

a really good longevity strategy. It's not cheap,

1:08:38

but you can buy big bottles of it online for

1:08:40

relatively cheap now. So the question is,

1:08:43

which is cheaper to buy? Um,

1:08:46

relatively large cuts of affordable organic,

1:08:49

if you can, or even non-organic beef and

1:08:51

then take seropeptase, it's still cheaper that way

1:08:54

because seropeptase is 20 bucks for a month

1:08:56

supply. So if you were to

1:08:58

say, all right, this is my budget for me,

1:09:00

you're probably going to work out that way.

1:09:02

I highly recommend organic or grass fed. And,

1:09:04

um, you know, if you buy the

1:09:06

cheaper cuts from a farmer or the ground, you

1:09:08

can do it and go

1:09:11

to ask you this though. Another thing we can do

1:09:13

is we combine again, how do we stretch our

1:09:15

dollars? How do we get creative? You

1:09:18

can have a grass fed or regenerative

1:09:20

farm meat with an amyloid, a less,

1:09:22

a less perfect cut of meat and

1:09:25

you mix them. So

1:09:27

because the overall amyloid burden will

1:09:29

be lowered because you're going to have one with a

1:09:32

lot less. So how do

1:09:34

we do this? How do we, how do we

1:09:36

stay your rights? Living is nature intended. Nature

1:09:38

is now, I put nature in air quotes

1:09:40

because we are in a high tech, really

1:09:44

dirty planet on many levels. And

1:09:46

so we have to get

1:09:48

really creative. And so nature is

1:09:50

right now denatured. And so how

1:09:53

do we use what we have?

1:09:55

Be really intelligent about it and

1:09:58

use the technology. So

1:10:00

part of the Wilditarian ethos

1:10:02

is using the intelligence

1:10:05

of technology with the wisdom

1:10:08

of our ancestors and bringing it into the present

1:10:10

moment. So it becomes a yes

1:10:12

and. So we

1:10:14

can coexist and thrive. I'm

1:10:17

very hopeful for our

1:10:19

world. If

1:10:21

we can raise, and this is back to your

1:10:23

mitochondrial, we've got to keep our mitochondria happy.

1:10:26

And how do we do that? If we do

1:10:28

everything right and we live in

1:10:31

a miserable existence of

1:10:34

negative thinking, we're still going to express everything

1:10:36

and turn on those viruses and we're going

1:10:38

to be as sick or worse.

1:10:42

I love what you're saying. We've gone through so much,

1:10:44

so much really cool

1:10:46

knowledge here. And guys,

1:10:48

if you've been following some of the standard

1:10:50

biohacking practices, like taking P5P

1:10:53

versus B6, using activated charcoal, taking

1:10:55

magnesium, eating only grass-fed beef for

1:10:57

the past, in my case, it's

1:10:59

been almost 20 years now. The

1:11:04

differences add up over time. And

1:11:06

you don't have to do everything right. On

1:11:09

rare occasions, I don't have grass-fed meat. I really

1:11:11

don't eat chicken very often, like maybe once a

1:11:13

year. I

1:11:16

don't know why, because either it's some kind of heritage breed

1:11:18

or someone made it with love and whatever. I can handle

1:11:20

that, but if I eat chicken a lot, it just doesn't

1:11:22

feel as good. Managing

1:11:25

this thing about oxalate, this thing about

1:11:27

histamine with Claritin, I am

1:11:29

almost to the point of adding a daily

1:11:31

dose of Claritin as part of my longevity

1:11:33

stack forever, because the downside

1:11:36

is very low and the risk

1:11:38

of having this excessive

1:11:40

immune response just from the world we've created

1:11:43

is pretty high. So maybe that's

1:11:45

more important than a statin. I

1:11:47

would probably argue all day long, and every cardiothoracic

1:11:50

surgeon friend is like, Dave, fuck you, buddy. And

1:11:52

I'm like, all right, guys, I didn't need to

1:11:54

put you out of business, but you're doing it

1:11:56

wrong. We can debate that later. Terry,

1:11:59

I... greatly appreciate your work. Wilditarian diet

1:12:01

was I think that was your most recent book. Is

1:12:03

there a new one coming out? I'm

1:12:06

building my teaching model the Cochrane

1:12:08

Method. It's 500 pages so far.

1:12:10

It's going to be

1:12:12

cool. And wild light is the

1:12:15

electrolyte powder that you talked

1:12:17

about earlier. W-I-L-D-L-Y-T-E. Very good. Yeah.

1:12:23

You sent me a couple of those. So and

1:12:25

that's the watermelon with cilantro thing. And

1:12:29

just for just for completeness there

1:12:32

with the wildlife stuff is that how

1:12:35

many servings is in one of those things? Like

1:12:38

it's a little canister. Yeah it's about 50 servings

1:12:40

in a can. Okay got it. So that's how

1:12:42

that stuff works. And

1:12:44

anything else that our listeners should

1:12:46

know? I

1:12:48

really think that we're so

1:12:51

grateful to you for opening up the

1:12:53

door on the oxlet thing. This is

1:12:55

a really big deal. Ocelot histamine. You've

1:12:57

been pioneer in the ocelot histamine mold

1:12:59

and now more than ever.

1:13:01

I just want to really applaud you

1:13:03

Dave because it's time to

1:13:06

really get real

1:13:08

on this. You know I

1:13:11

appreciate the pioneer thing and on the mold thing I'm

1:13:13

in a big voice for sure.

1:13:15

And it's funny the

1:13:18

first chapter of the Bulletproof diet

1:13:20

it's like the big six trends in

1:13:22

food. They're all there but I

1:13:24

can't say that I went as deep as possible

1:13:26

in all of them. In fact even

1:13:28

the data on oxalates wasn't very good back then

1:13:30

about what was in what food. So there's

1:13:33

a book by Fallon recently that

1:13:35

has more about... it's called toxic

1:13:38

superfoods has more about oxalates. I'm

1:13:40

like oh well look there's more databases than the last

1:13:42

time I looked this is good stuff. I

1:13:44

would just say my job is to understand directionally

1:13:47

and then to find and create experts and then

1:13:49

come up with best practices across a lot of

1:13:51

stuff that you're gonna do. So I don't have

1:13:53

to be the extra and everything but it's about

1:13:56

food stuff I'm pretty good about brain stuff I'm pretty

1:13:58

good mold I'm pretty good. And the other

1:14:00

stuff, getting good at oxalates and histamine. But

1:14:03

I think there are people who are far

1:14:05

better experts than me. And I'm looking to

1:14:07

connect with them and learn from them. So

1:14:09

thank you for teaching the whole

1:14:11

audience here all your good stuff. My

1:14:13

pleasure. I'm hopeful for the future. We just got

1:14:15

to stay positive and be smart. And get wood

1:14:17

chippers. Get

1:14:19

those wood chippers! Fertilize

1:14:22

your time. I'm just

1:14:24

kidding. I don't want that soil anyway. All

1:14:28

right, guys. Thank you for listening

1:14:30

to this episode. And

1:14:32

I'll keep bringing you the good stuff. And

1:14:34

some things hopefully you haven't heard anywhere else. Because that's

1:14:36

why you're here. Let me hear it here first. See

1:14:39

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