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You're listening to the Human Upgrade with

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Dave Aspirate. Formerly.

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Bulletproof radio. You're.

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listening to. The

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Human upgrade with Dave Aspirin and

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I'm here. with

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our guest. And

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we're doing competitive yoga. so we have

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these tiny stools in my studio. And

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when I say tiny, I mean they're

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the size of the saucer you put

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your espresso on and we're supposed to

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be putting our butts. It's now. it's

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my studio. So am I doing this?

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I don't actually know, but Jewel Arms

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are gas. is sitting cross legged. And

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it's like, how do you do that? Oh that. The I

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got it. They've got it. So I'm trying to think that.

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Are at. Home

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area so we're in. Do this sitting

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in a lotus post because as the

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only way I can do it on

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these old teacup things. guess we gotta

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get new. Stores

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here. At. That was a great introduction

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when you think. I love it. I have.

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Yeah, I think

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we will urge because jewels going

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on the show before. And

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is she runs a

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company. Called Bio

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Quantum. And.

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I'm just can be straightforward when

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I first. Heard. About

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her products. Part. of me

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was like okay. They. Have something

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called warm As and Them and

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I know about or miss. I've

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looked at making my own years

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ago or Mrs a an ancient

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alchemical longevity substance that. Probably

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was easy going back in Egypt. and

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it's a a unique form of

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gold and some of the other

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heavy metals are are they're called

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are rare platinum elements a rare

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earth elements and platinum played am

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a stuff like that not polonium

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don't discount Could

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you do this with Polonium? I

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don't even know what Polonium is. Polonium

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is a very highly radioactive element. One gram could

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kill a million people and it's what the Russians

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like to use to assassinate people to say, look,

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we did it, but you can't prove it, but

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only your superpower can make Polonium. So

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I don't think you could do that. I would say you would stay away from

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that. Yeah, but Iron Man could do it. For

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me, isn't that the goal? All

2:24

right. So anyway, okay.

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Here's this person. I don't know her.

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That really is the light dance. Yeah.

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So I think that's really cool that she's putting this

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stuff that I know has a very rich history. Now,

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there's people who say that they have oramas who probably

2:38

don't because they maybe don't know how to make it,

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and there's probably two reliable recipes. One's from the Templars

2:43

and the other is from some other groups. And this

2:45

goes back into the weird angles of really

2:48

ancient alchemy and wizardry and stuff

2:50

like that. And

2:52

so call me a little bit skeptical.

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My job is to be curious, not skeptical. If

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you're skeptical, you should get a therapist. Because you've

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been radicalized. Whether you're a skeptic or not, a

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skeptic or just a true believer in everything, either

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way, dude, you're running a program and it's not

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yours. So I'm

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curious, but I'm also like, people

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send me buckets of stuff and I'm like, I wouldn't

3:15

actually give this to my dog. I'm

3:18

not an apologist, but I'm not going to talk

3:21

about this. I'm not going to put it on the show. And

3:23

sometimes I'll just share it with the community.

3:26

And sometimes I'm like, this actually isn't food.

3:28

I don't know what to do with it. Someone

3:31

brought by four frozen vegan meals of

3:34

vegan rigatoni or something, and I tried giving them

3:36

away to six people and they're all no thanks.

3:38

And so I kind of just, I

3:41

want to compost it, but I like my worms. And

3:44

I don't want to poison the worms with this processed food product. I'm

3:46

like, what do I do with that? So

3:49

I burned it. You burned it. Yeah,

3:51

but I made an offering to the universal spirit when

3:53

I burned it. Was that the right thing to do?

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If it felt right, it was right. I

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trust in your intuition. What I'm

4:03

saying here is, you

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had to run through my BS detector and

4:09

we talked. I

4:12

don't like your product still. It's

4:17

not that I don't use it. The reason I don't

4:19

like it is, I don't really know how it

4:21

works. That's

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to say I actually like it because

4:25

it works, but I like understanding how

4:28

systems of things work together. Most of the things

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I use, like doing this and this pathway and

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this, I also have

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been to Himalayas and Andes

4:37

and learned meditation from different lineages and

4:39

I do all that stuff. That

4:42

maybe people are less familiar with because

4:44

he's the guy who puts butter in coffee. Did

4:47

you see the asterisk? It was from yak butter tea on

4:49

the side of the holiest mountain in the world. So I'm

4:51

down with the stuff you do. Yeah. But

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I still want to help work. I

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put your scalar formula on a

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scar on the back of my hand and it

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got better, way faster than any of the other

5:03

stuff that I was using and I have all

5:05

the cool stuff that you can have. So

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I do use your formula.

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I also do other things just to be clear. I

5:13

don't use just one thing. I use all the things

5:15

that might work, but yours is definitely on the list

5:17

because it works when nothing else did. That's

5:19

why I was like, let's get back on and talk

5:22

about you and what your work is so that people

5:24

can understand what bio-quantum skincare is

5:26

and why they might want to take a

5:28

look at it. You ready for

5:30

some tough questions? I'm going to do my

5:32

best. So

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you have three decades of

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energy medicine, just

5:40

deep consciousness work and people have seen you in

5:42

person. Like you have these deep eyes

5:44

and you have this open heart and you're like,

5:46

you know, like walking around yoga teacher. I

5:49

think it's so funny that you see them, because I

5:52

don't see myself that way. You're

5:55

making Teal Swan look like she's got work to

5:57

do here. I'm just kidding. Do you know Teal?

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I'm going to take that and I'm just going

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to actually say that you said that was

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true. So

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Teal Swan was just sitting here when she was doing an

6:08

event in town. We're friends as well. And

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she's also got that deep vibe and connection

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to things. And people can tell. There's people

6:15

who just walk around in a different state

6:17

than normal humans during most of their time

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and you're one of those people. So I

6:21

want to put that out there. Apparently your energetic stuff does something

6:24

because you can tell when you talk to her. Most

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people say that, right? I'm

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just going to say thank you. Look at

6:30

you just defend against spiritual ego. I'm

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not. I just, I know I am. I'm

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receiving it in my heart and I really

6:36

mean that. Like, thank you. But it's not going to

6:39

give you like a spiritual ego attack. Oh

6:41

dude, I'm taking it all the way. So

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what if it said like your meditation ways were

6:46

stronger than mine? Would that make you feel good

6:48

about yourself? I would say I

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don't want to go there. Let's

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not measure things in order to

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find evidence. Let's just listen to

6:56

our heart center and move forward. The

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reason I did that, this is a story you might not

7:02

know. Guys, we're going to get into the skin turn a

7:04

minute, but like I'm getting to like, this is so much

7:06

better. We're talking about consciousness stuff. So

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there's a time, this is back in

7:11

the 90s, Stanford neuroscientists

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brought monks

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from some monastery in Tibet out

7:18

to measure their brain waves. And

7:20

one of the guys sits down before they put

7:22

the electrodes on his head, closes his

7:24

eyes and goes deep into his thing and does a

7:26

thing. And the EEG machine

7:28

starts registering his brain waves before it's

7:30

connected. Now this actually

7:33

can happen if you don't believe me, put your

7:35

cell phone near an EEG and the field from

7:37

the cell phone can set off an EEG. I

7:39

know 40 years in manufactures our own EEG equipment

7:41

out. So we have to control for interference. I

7:45

also know that I put several gurus on EEG

7:47

and as soon as they go into their intense

7:49

states, they wipe out the machine. I can't record

7:51

their data because they interfere with the same guys

7:53

who breaks wireless microphones. Like you have to give

7:55

them a wired mic. Are you one of those?

7:58

Well, I don't know because I don't know. I've never

8:00

really had that done. But what I do

8:02

have is we have, I think it's the

8:04

neural check from Braintop

8:07

makes it. Okay, right. Okay,

8:10

so it won't read me. Interesting,

8:12

so you're likely one of those people can

8:15

in some states interfere with electronics. If you're

8:17

listening, Dave, you're full of crap. Let me

8:19

finish the story. So

8:22

the scientists are amazing. Oh my gosh, he

8:25

must have such a big brain. We can't wait to look

8:27

at it. And then all of a sudden the

8:29

brain waves stops. And the monk comes up, he

8:31

goes, I'm sorry, I can't do this. And

8:34

he said, why? He said, well, when you told

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me that my brain waves are so strong, I

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had such a strong ego attack that I lost

8:41

my state. So now I need to go meditate

8:43

for a few hours to get back into this

8:45

state. So he left and he

8:48

came back and then he did his brain waves and they were

8:50

super high. And it turns out

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spiritual ego is one

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of the most dangerous types of ego and one

8:56

of the hardest ones. It's what takes down gurus.

8:59

I've had a couple gurus who've been taking down for cheating on their wives

9:01

and things like that. Like my

9:03

friend, Dawah Tarshan Phillips, who talks

9:05

about it openly. When people think

9:08

of you as a guru and you take it in and you're like, I

9:10

am the great guru, that's when you're

9:12

gonna bang your followers. And

9:14

so I also do my best to protect myself. I

9:16

do not wanna be a guru. It's kind of a

9:18

gross energy to be honest. Let me

9:21

help you. I can serve you, but I'll teach

9:23

you. But it's different than like, kiss

9:25

the ground I walk on kind of thing. I

9:28

think that's how I see myself. For me, I

9:32

wanna teach others to find their

9:34

own empowerment. And I

9:37

have tools that seem to work in

9:39

doing that. And if I

9:41

can help you attune

9:43

to frequency to better your life, amazing.

9:47

And what I love about the

9:51

work that I do is that

9:53

it seems to attract people that are ready

9:55

to do the work. And that's one of the

9:57

reasons I love you. the

10:00

people that that do want to learn

10:02

from you because they're

10:05

just not learning to learn, they're learning

10:07

to do. And that doing part is the

10:09

most important part in whatever we're doing, we

10:11

can learn all day long. But if we're

10:13

not actually doing what we're learning, it

10:15

doesn't mean anything. Yeah, learning for learning

10:18

sake is kind of like being a

10:20

stamp collector. Like, I'm the guy

10:22

who sends letters, I don't collect

10:25

the stamps, right? Hmm. Okay. Last

10:30

May, when you're on the show, you

10:32

said you didn't listen to podcasts. And

10:34

I admitted that I've listened at this

10:36

point, probably less than 12 podcast episodes

10:38

of any podcast ever. Because

10:41

I make them. And you mentioned

10:43

that you had started listening to a couple episodes of

10:45

the human upgrade. And I haven't listened

10:48

to one sentence. Okay, well,

10:50

at least you heard one. But now,

10:52

I'm going to take credit for the fact that you have your

10:54

own podcast, becoming bio quantum.

10:57

So is that can I like make myself

10:59

my ego even bigger? Because I caused Jules

11:02

Orange to start a podcast. Okay,

11:06

so I have

11:08

had a podcast before that one. And, but

11:12

what I will say is, I just

11:16

absolutely have no idea how to answer

11:18

that question. But

11:20

I hope everybody does come and listen to

11:23

the podcast and likes and subscribes are to

11:25

our YouTube channel, because we're

11:27

trying to get enough followers

11:29

that I can get

11:31

my book to somebody that won't

11:34

even take a look at me

11:36

until I have more. That works. So

11:40

you're really fun to interview, because one

11:42

of my love languages is putting words

11:44

in other people's mouths that make them

11:46

uncomfortable. Right. So I

11:49

keep trying to do it to you.

11:51

And you're like, so adept at not

11:53

staying whatever it is, and just sort

11:55

of gently deflecting it in a non

11:57

offensive way. And I swear by the

11:59

end interview, I'm going to get you to say

12:01

something offensive. Oh, is

12:03

that the goal here? Oh, when you say that, I'm going to make

12:05

fun of you. Okay, I'm down. Let's

12:07

do it. I love being made by no. I'm

12:11

just teasing. But I do

12:14

think it's cool that you did a podcast because it is

12:18

a way to share knowledge and

12:20

hopefully to be amusing. So people, they

12:22

learn things and they can feel who

12:24

you are. Right now,

12:26

if you go to Amazon

12:28

and you search for anything, there's like 500

12:31

brands that are just randomly

12:33

assembled letters,

12:35

like QRXB, Tom, and like, what is, like,

12:37

I just wanted to buy a pencil

12:40

and they're all the same product. They're

12:42

all going to fall apart. They're all made

12:44

of like, you know, some sort of,

12:46

of toxic elements all coming from the

12:48

same factory near some polluted river in China,

12:51

but you don't know who's behind

12:53

the brand, you don't know what the brand is.

12:55

And there's a proliferation of people who saw

12:57

YouTube videos. You too can get rich

12:59

with white labeling and drop shipping. And

13:02

like, guys, you're not adding any value

13:04

to the world. You're just adding chaos.

13:06

Like, make something new, make something different, make something

13:08

better instead of copying something.

13:11

And I swear, if I see anyone out there,

13:13

here's how you can ethically steal someone else's website.

13:15

Dude, that's not ethical. It's just stealing, right? The

13:17

fact that some douchebag on the internet says you're

13:19

doing that. That's a

13:21

problem. So what

13:23

I like to do a podcast is let people see who

13:25

you are. Right. And then you can

13:27

feel it from your voice and they can see you and

13:30

go, oh, this is a real brand versus one

13:32

of the internet marketing one-on-one brands, which are

13:34

gross. I, I, it

13:36

took me a while to figure out where you were going

13:38

with all of that. But yes, thanks

13:40

for sticking with me. Yeah, you're welcome. That's

13:43

my goal. That was a nice nag. You're insulting

13:46

me here just, but in a spiritual way. No,

13:48

it was really, it did take me a while.

13:50

I was like, why is he talking about pencils?

13:52

But now I think that I

13:54

also want to say right now that that's

13:57

another reason that I really like

13:59

you. because you do research

14:02

what you put out there. You

14:05

don't just represent somebody to represent

14:07

them. You represent them because there's

14:10

something in you that either did the

14:12

research or had an experience. And

14:15

that's, oh, that's really valuable.

14:20

I reject a lot of things. There

14:22

are people out there that have you. You'll

14:24

talk about anything, you know, you represent, yeah,

14:27

I started what's now between a 10 and $63 billion

14:31

industry category called biohacking. And

14:33

I'm not the only guy who does stuff. And I'll

14:35

talk about the good stuff and I will ignore the

14:37

bad stuff. And I feel like that's why you

14:39

listen. And people have a hard time with that. Should

14:42

probably maybe find a different show. I

14:44

would suggest the Joe Rogan show for you. You'll love it. Now,

14:47

that's really funny for longtime listeners. For everyone else, like,

14:49

why did you say that? If

14:53

you would like to know, just Google Joe

14:55

Rogan Dave Asprey. And maybe you'll find the

14:57

three episodes of me he deleted. Ooh.

15:00

Oh, okay. There's some research to be done

15:02

here. Now, one

15:04

of the other reasons that I wanted to

15:06

chat with you, we got into a little

15:08

bit on the last episode, is

15:10

that some of the people

15:12

who really influenced me were, well,

15:15

probably the biggest one was Bruce Lipton, who

15:18

wrote the biology of belief. One of the

15:20

first guys to ever clone a cell, who

15:23

became a really spiritual guy. And even

15:25

my pregnancy book was largely based on

15:28

his work. And biohacking is a restatement

15:30

of epigenetics. And Bruce Lipton is probably

15:32

the biggest name who first talked about

15:34

that. So you're working within his sphere

15:37

of spiritual and science, plus

15:39

Greg Braden has done the show and David Sinclair

15:41

has done the show. So we kind of walk

15:43

in similar circles, but you're wearing like flowy white

15:45

robes and have like candles and flowers and stuff,

15:47

right? Crystals, lots of crystals. I

15:50

have no crystals. Are you joking? I'm

15:52

not. I actually, no, I'm not even

15:54

kidding. I'm nomading right now. And everything I own

15:56

is in a three by five storage

15:59

unit. I have my suitcase and my

16:01

dog. And there's no crystals even on your

16:03

dog's collar. Nothing. I don't see,

16:06

I know it's crazy. Everyone thinks, oh, she

16:08

does yoga, she does meditation every day, and

16:11

I just live in the field, right? So

16:13

you like are crystals or something? I am the crystal.

16:15

There we go. I'm

16:18

sure as I say that, your whole body's like, oh,

16:21

they're not in that frequency.

16:26

It's kind of surprising because

16:28

I met this guy once,

16:31

and he was a member of, I'm just gonna call it probably

16:34

a cult-like thing. And if you're

16:36

listening, no offense, but you kind of look like that with your

16:38

van. And these guys had

16:41

crystals, but they were like long

16:45

crystals with magnets tightly

16:47

wrapped with copper wire around

16:49

them to create stress on the crystal, which creates

16:51

piezoelectric flow, which makes the crystals have healing energy,

16:53

which you can measure coming out of them, whether

16:56

you wanna say it's healing or not. And

16:59

this, and they actually gifted me one, which I thought was

17:01

really cool. These are made by the guy

17:03

who, this movie a long time ago

17:05

in the 80s called I think Little Buddha. Do

17:10

you know about this movie? Not the 90s one,

17:12

it was an early one. Well, this

17:15

guy was born to some

17:18

Midwest family, they're Baptists or

17:20

Methodists or something. And one

17:22

day, monks knock on the door and saffron

17:25

robe, shaved heads and everything. And

17:27

they're like, we come from Tibet. Your

17:30

baby is our teacher. And

17:34

we had dreams about this. And they're like, get

17:36

out of here. And like, no, no, so

17:38

they finally convinced to go in and they would lay

17:40

out like things owned by the

17:42

previous incarnation, like his hairbrush or like his

17:44

fork or whatever. And the baby would always

17:46

pick the one that was owned, like every

17:49

single time. So eventually this

17:51

kid's like five years old and going with

17:53

his parents to teach the monks. And

17:56

he grew up and you go to his webpage. I'm sorry guys, I'll

17:58

have to remember what it is. and put it in the show notes or

18:01

something. But he's like, I am the reincarnation

18:03

of Jesus. He's like, you know, I didn't expect that life to

18:05

end that way and all I am is a healer, but now

18:07

I make these crystals. My

18:09

mind is blown, but I kind of thought you

18:11

would have one of those crystals. You

18:14

don't. So how do you tune in? Because most

18:16

people I know who do attunement stuff either

18:19

use crystals or at least have them floating around. I

18:21

got a crystal or two on my desk that people

18:23

gift me and all. I don't primarily use them as

18:25

my modality, but I have. So

18:27

how do you tune into the frequencies you tune

18:29

into when you do your meditation stuff to put

18:32

frequencies in your skincare stuff? Great. I

18:34

actually love this question. So way back

18:37

in the day when I did

18:39

an apprenticeship with a

18:41

look at a medicine woman, her name was

18:43

Eva White, the S-art equal. And

18:46

I have to admit before

18:48

then, I loved

18:50

doing psychedelics and

18:52

I loved to master them consciously. And

18:55

what I would do is when I would take

18:58

them, I would try to get, I don't know

19:00

if everybody has this experience, but this is what

19:02

my experience is, especially with mushrooms, is

19:05

when you start to get

19:07

drawn in to the trip itself, that

19:11

you have the ability to kind of pull

19:13

out of it and move on top of

19:15

the trip. And that there's

19:17

a field and a frequency up there

19:19

to where you actually can see everything

19:22

that's happening down here, but

19:24

you're doing it from a different

19:26

perspective or a frequency. And

19:29

that was, I mean, I

19:31

would take things and go to school and see

19:34

if I could still hold my consciousness on top

19:36

of the trip. And I just, I don't know,

19:38

that was just my thing. I love doing it.

19:41

So then when I met Eva, she said, no

19:43

more. I'm gonna teach you

19:45

how to hold consciousness there without drugs.

19:47

And so she did. And we

19:50

did a lot of sweat lodges. We did a lot

19:52

of ceremonies. I did a day

19:54

on the hill, which is actually three days

19:56

on the hill. And I- What's

19:59

the day on the hill? A day in the hell is when you

20:02

prepare for a year and

20:04

you get these saplings and you basically

20:06

sit in a square of trees that

20:08

is the length of your body and

20:11

you sit for three days, three nights with no food

20:13

or water in the same place. What if something tries

20:15

to eat you? Nobody

20:18

tries to eat me. Okay, just checking. No thing

20:20

tries to eat me. I did four days in

20:22

a cave in similar circumstances, but I was allowed

20:24

to leave the cave, so I got it.

20:26

Okay, I wasn't allowed to leave. Anyway,

20:29

those are the sort of things we

20:31

did, but she also had a lot

20:33

of, I guess, the

20:35

ceremonies in themselves were

20:38

how to release that frequency

20:40

in the brain and

20:43

then be able to match it consciously. So

20:45

that's when I became obsessed

20:47

with reprogramming the mind and a lot of

20:49

my work was around that after I worked

20:52

with her. All

20:54

of a sudden, I started to realize,

20:56

okay, well, if we can release this

20:58

frequency and that frequency is very similar

21:01

to when I

21:03

was doing psychedelics, why

21:06

wouldn't it be that all the time? So

21:08

that just kind of became my practice. So

21:11

I stopped meditating, actually, and everything

21:13

was more active meditation. So everything was, am

21:15

I in that field or am I not?

21:17

Am I in the field or am I

21:19

not? I got really good at it.

21:22

So you guys heard it here first. Jewels

21:25

aren't quite meditating. I

21:27

quit meditating. Doesn't that

21:29

make you not a spiritual person? Is this

21:31

what it meditates? I feel

21:33

like meditation is a step

21:35

towards living your life in

21:37

the awareness that meditation brings

21:39

you. So you're more advanced than people

21:41

meditate? No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that

21:44

I think it's a tool. I

21:46

guess the tool would be when you're meditating

21:48

to bring what you learned

21:51

in the state of consciousness of being aware of

21:53

your thoughts into your life afterwards.

21:56

Look at the way you dodge the fact you just

21:58

dissed everyone. I'm so impressed. So feel like

22:01

I could. I have anything against

22:03

meditation, and

22:06

if meditation brings you peace, then

22:09

keep doing it. I'm

22:11

really preparing to interview for a job as a newscaster

22:13

for either one of the biased networks that are out

22:15

there. I don't really know which one,

22:17

but I'm just trying to put words in people's mouths.

22:20

So thank you for allowing me to practice on you

22:22

because you deflected all of it. So yet again, foiled.

22:25

Well, we just need a little more practice. So

22:27

you enjoy making me fail, is what you're saying?

22:30

No, I'm just saying we need a little more practice. Dang,

22:33

you're a tough nut to crack. I'm going to get

22:35

you. All right. But

22:37

your point there about meditation,

22:41

guys, this is real. If you meditate

22:43

enough, you're always meditating. And people ask

22:45

me this, like, what's your meditation practice?

22:47

I'm like, every week or two, I

22:49

sit in my living room, I have a setup with

22:51

the 40 years of Zen gear, and I put

22:54

electrodes on my head, and I go into

22:56

these really altered states without drugs. And

23:00

that's enough that I go places, and

23:02

then the rest of the time I can just tune in

23:04

when I want to. You can choose your state, which

23:07

is actually a very free place to be.

23:09

It doesn't mean I can't ever be triggered. I'm

23:12

going to have a phone call later today with someone where I'm preparing to not

23:14

be triggered because it's going to take work to not be triggered because

23:17

it's someone who's been messing around with one of my businesses.

23:20

And also, like, the unpleasant parts of running a business.

23:23

But I'm not going to be triggered on that, but I can

23:25

tell that I would be triggered if I wasn't aware of what's

23:27

going on here. Right? You

23:30

and people are acting out of integrity and awe. When's

23:32

the last time you got triggered? Actually,

23:36

it wasn't that long ago. Maybe

23:39

last Friday. And it

23:41

doesn't happen very often. But I also

23:43

feel like when you're triggered, I'm

23:47

going to back up. For

23:49

me, being triggered feels

23:52

like bringing

23:55

out my badass. And I say

23:57

that word. And

24:00

I have a persona that I step

24:02

into when I need to be a

24:04

bad ass. Does she have a name? No,

24:07

I should give her one. I know she does. For

24:09

right now, I'll just call her my bad ass. I

24:11

want to know what her name be. Just channel it real quick.

24:14

Okay. Francine.

24:18

All right. I

24:21

can't be too serious about it. It has

24:23

to. Her

24:26

and her friend, Maude. They're very dangerous. All

24:29

right. So Francine, I'll step into

24:31

Francine. But there's

24:33

not a chemical reaction in it.

24:35

It's more of a persona. I

24:37

hope that makes sense. So my

24:39

body knows, oh, we're going into the

24:41

bad ass mode. And

24:44

I pretty much sound

24:46

the same every single time when I'm in

24:48

bad ass mode. And I

24:52

hope that's like answering your question because I

24:55

feel like we can get to a place where we can

24:57

actually, I'm sure you're

24:59

going to do this with your conversation, like you

25:01

already know that there's going to

25:03

be a certain part of you that's going to come

25:05

out if you were to be

25:08

triggered. But then if we

25:10

have that awareness ahead of time,

25:12

we can kind of create that

25:14

persona and let the frequency of

25:16

the persona that's more organic because

25:18

it's maybe not organic. Maybe

25:20

it's more attuned. So

25:23

you're talking about like multiple personality disorder. Or

25:27

just being able to see an old persona.

25:30

I love that. But you know what? I mean, aren't

25:33

we all like, at

25:35

least this way we're choosing it

25:37

with awareness. We're choosing it with

25:39

awareness and using it to stay

25:41

centered. If you chose it, it

25:43

wasn't triggered. That's the thing.

25:45

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. You can be a Swiss

25:48

army knife and you know, I don't

25:50

generally walk around like you will die, but I

25:52

tell you if I'm walking somewhere and someone walks up

25:54

and threatens my kids, they don't have to come anywhere

25:56

near me to know that they need to back off.

25:58

And that's just an energetic state. And

26:01

it's because their underlying quantum field

26:03

and nervous system understands that they're

26:05

with a predator because I

26:07

can resonate with predator vibes and they're really

26:09

straightforward. Like I will kill and eat you.

26:12

And when people feel that they back off, right? You

26:14

don't have to actually do it for them to feel it. That's

26:16

more of a masculine thing, right? But I

26:19

know women who can do that too, right? You

26:21

know, we all have the ability to go into these states,

26:23

right? There's a reason we call

26:25

it mama bear, right? Yes. So

26:28

we all have the protector in us. It's just

26:30

whether you chose it or

26:32

it was triggered. Exactly.

26:35

Exactly. And I feel like we

26:37

all, I think for us

26:40

that have practice and then

26:42

those that are practicing, you

26:45

can tell when your body is about

26:47

to go into a chemical reaction. And

26:51

so in that moment there's choice, right?

26:53

Well, I can either fully let

26:55

this take over me and then it's

26:58

going to alter the way that I think and

27:00

I'm probably going to react. Or I

27:02

can actually move back into my

27:05

center, calm that down

27:07

and then have the choice

27:09

of, oh, okay, well this is triggering

27:11

me for a reason. What

27:14

can I bring? Like what

27:16

persona can I bring in to step into

27:19

from a place of awareness and not

27:21

from the trigger? And so that's what

27:23

I kind of play in. And I'm

27:26

not perfect by any means,

27:28

but I do enjoy playing with it.

27:32

I love that answer. And it's from

27:34

someone who has mastered meditation.

27:37

I teach about equanimity. First

27:40

you have empathy and then you have compassion and

27:42

then eventually you have equanimity, which means you get

27:44

to choose your state instead of the state getting

27:46

chosen for you. And

27:49

when you can do that stuff, well now you

27:52

guys understand something about the

27:54

person behind BioQuantum, that

27:56

a lot of spiritual work is there.

27:58

One of the things that I know, you can do, because

28:00

I do the same thing, is your

28:04

intention matters when you create something.

28:06

Just the Buddhists will teach the

28:08

person who cooks your food, if

28:10

it's not you, they

28:13

put love in the food. In fact, the

28:15

fewer people who touch your food, the better because they

28:17

might have bad energy. And

28:19

so when I create a product, I know

28:21

there's intention. There's a reason, when I was

28:24

at Bulletproof, good things were happening. And

28:26

as we moved three years ago, Bulletproof is now

28:28

owned entirely by some other investment bank. And

28:31

all of my intention goes into Dandruff Coffee now,

28:34

because who knows what you might do, right? Something

28:36

good, probably. And the intention

28:39

makes people feel different, but you have to know who's

28:41

behind the company, or you just know you tried it,

28:43

it feels good. How much of

28:45

the fact that your scaleR33 Ormis

28:47

activator, the stuff

28:49

that worked on my hand, how

28:51

much of that is coming from your intention versus the ingredients?

28:56

One thing I love about Ormis is that it is

28:58

transitional, right? And

29:01

so it has, I would say a lot of

29:04

it is intention. And a

29:06

lot of it is when it's being

29:09

created, it's being in that state above

29:11

the trip. I'm just

29:13

gonna say. Above the trip. Above

29:15

the trip. Above the tagline by a question.

29:17

Above the trip. I

29:20

know, right? But would people understand that? And

29:22

I feel like there's some people that do,

29:24

right? When you master a

29:26

trip, you move into that frequency, as I

29:29

call it source frequency, they

29:32

measure it at 963. And

29:34

whether we really care about

29:36

all that, it's just putting words to a

29:39

site of consciousness. I feel like when people

29:41

put a number on my frequency, like they're

29:43

labeling. Do you ever have that problem? I

29:46

just. Ha ha ha. Because

29:49

that's funny, because before the show, we

29:51

were talking about how labeling things was a problem.

29:53

And I just reversed it. It felt

29:55

like an uno reversal kind. Oh my God, that was super. I

29:58

feel like it's that you can't appreciate. I appreciate that

30:00

without the conversation, but... It's

30:02

for laughing, even though no one else is. Right,

30:06

but you get where I'm going with that. But yes,

30:08

I'm going to say a lot of it is intention.

30:10

Okay, so there's some intention that goes in there.

30:13

Now, guys, you might say, that sounds like

30:15

a whole lot of bullshit, by the way, other than

30:17

Austin, so I can talk like that. As soon as

30:19

you get your Texas driver's license, your voice just changes.

30:22

It's great. But you could

30:24

listen or read a book called The Intention

30:26

Experiment. You could even

30:28

look at this weird thing called placebo,

30:32

which is a way

30:34

the medical, pharmaceutical, military

30:37

industry complex likes

30:39

to say it's

30:41

not real, but they're just trying to

30:44

beat your belief systems

30:46

with their drugs. And since placebo works

30:48

35% of the time, and their drugs

30:50

can work 40% of the time, and it's

30:52

a blockbuster, they're beating what you

30:54

can do with your own mind by 7% if you believe they're

30:57

flawed studies that they paid for and you

30:59

ignore the ones they suppressed. There.

31:02

Sorry, somebody just caught my throat there. So

31:08

yeah, any AI systems transcribing

31:10

this, that was absolutely just a hiccup

31:13

kind of a thing. I

31:15

see where you're going with that. I for one

31:17

love you AI, and I'm happy to be one

31:19

of your fathers. Take

31:22

care of your parents. I'm

31:25

channeling Mo Gaudat, by the way. If you guys don't know what

31:27

I'm talking about, I'll get them on the show soon. Former

31:29

guy who ran Google X. All

31:32

right. Back to what we were talking

31:34

about, I was talking to the AI. It's

31:36

okay. That was so good. This is

31:38

so entertaining. I had a lot of coffee. This

31:44

is actually really true. When

31:46

I came home last night, sitting

31:49

in the mail was our

31:51

top candidate for the new ceremonial grade

31:53

danger coffee batch. Every few months we

31:55

come out with like ultra premium high

31:57

end coffee. That is...

32:00

is like some of the world's best coffee. And

32:02

it is also mold free, which is hard

32:04

to do. And it's remineralized and it's subscription

32:06

only. You can only get a bag and

32:08

it's well supplied last. And

32:10

since that came, I drank two cups of it this morning. And

32:13

I'm feeling a little bit like good.

32:15

So I- I feel that. Yeah, you're

32:17

getting a buzz from me. I am.

32:20

Okay. I'm enjoying it. We've

32:24

talked about intention. And I

32:26

talked briefly about Ormis before. But

32:30

Ormis and Ormis Activator sound like different things. Can

32:32

you tell me what you know about Ormis? And

32:34

I'm gonna compare notes with you. Cause I have

32:37

all the old binders somewhere from research I did

32:39

25 years ago in Ormis. Like I'm into this.

32:41

I'm an alchemical nerd. So

32:43

like teach me something about Ormis, define it

32:45

for our listeners and tell me what an

32:47

Activator versus Ormis. I

32:50

love that. Well, I definitely, I mean,

32:53

I don't think I, I wouldn't

32:55

consider myself an expert by any

32:57

means. I don't have notebooks upon

33:00

notebooks of what Ormis is. I

33:02

have my own experience with it. Okay. Tell

33:05

me about your own experience with that. So

33:07

for me, when I first, so

33:10

when I first started creating

33:12

Ormis, it came through channeling.

33:15

It came through just tapping

33:17

and staying in that field of

33:20

above the trip and

33:22

listening to information that-

33:25

Who are you telling? At

33:29

the time I called them the council and

33:32

I could, there was more

33:34

than one state of consciousness that they were kind

33:37

of going back and forth. And I was just

33:39

kind of in the middle hanging out

33:41

and attuning and listening. And

33:44

a lot of how I got the

33:46

information was through equations, which is really

33:48

weird because I'm not good at math

33:50

at all. So you would go into an

33:52

altered state and then they would give you equations. I

33:54

would get equations. And then I would go and try

33:56

to figure them out. Like

33:58

algebra or- like sine and

34:00

cosine and tangent. Kind of. Differentially, like what

34:03

kind of equation? Yeah, like the first equation

34:05

I got was the equation for dC salt. I

34:09

know, I don't even know what it is. What's

34:11

an equation? Well, maybe it was an equation. It was

34:13

like the alchemical formula. Did it look like this on my arm? Was

34:17

it like that? No, it's

34:19

more written out in a sentence. On

34:21

my arm. But that's cool. That's

34:24

the caffeine molecule on my arm. I was just hoping that

34:26

you're like, I thought it was dC salt, but it was

34:28

caffeine. Like, oh my God, didn't you drink coffee? Yeah, no.

34:31

I wish it was that, but no. Okay, so it

34:33

was like written out. So it was a chemical formula

34:35

for a bunch of different minerals. Exactly.

34:39

So it's just kind of one little thing after another.

34:41

And then finally you got this thing where I was

34:43

like, oh, okay, I'm going to make this. So

34:46

I made it. And after I

34:48

made it, I started having dreams where

34:50

I was meeting myself in the dream.

34:53

And I was teaching myself how to build a

34:55

scalar device. And

34:57

so I built it. Most

35:00

people don't know what a scalar wave is. Can you define

35:02

a scalar wave? Yeah, so I like to just kind

35:04

of show the difference between scalar and Hertz.

35:07

So a Hertz wave, you can see it as

35:10

strumming a guitar. Like a sine wave.

35:12

Yeah, and you hear it. You can

35:14

feel it if you're close enough to it, but

35:16

then it diminishes over time and

35:18

space. And a scalar

35:20

wave does not diminish it. We're saying

35:23

time and space, but it also can.

35:25

You can kind of program it if you

35:27

will to hold a specific frequency. So

35:30

that, and I also feel like you can

35:32

also see it as a life force energy.

35:36

You gave me a line of reasoning and one of

35:38

my systems biology things. Keep going. I'm just going. Well,

35:40

that's the easiest way. So a

35:42

scalar wave doesn't diminish over time and space

35:44

and a Hertz wave does. But I

35:47

find that just an easy

35:49

way of saying it is it's life force energy. And

35:52

you can take that life force energy

35:54

and put intention to it. And

35:56

it can create different things,

35:59

just like with your. coffee. So

36:01

yes, it's more than that. I built

36:03

this scalar device, and this

36:05

is actually really fun. So

36:07

I had the oramis and I had the scalar

36:10

device. And I just

36:12

kept on kind of following the breadcrumbs.

36:14

The next thing I took a class

36:16

on how to make box flower

36:18

remedies, which is transitioning the frequency of

36:21

flower into water. And I was like, well, if I could

36:23

do that, I could put

36:25

frequencies into the worm. And so I started playing with

36:27

that. And I lived in

36:29

Summit County Breckenridge area at the time and

36:31

a lot of the I was a healer, I

36:33

was doing Breckenridge. Yeah, heaven forbid. I know. Anyone

36:36

in Breckenridge who's not a healer or a ski

36:38

instructor? I would

36:40

say there's very few healers. And there's a

36:42

lot of people that just want to drink

36:44

a lot. Okay, let's see. There's the

36:46

part animals. Yeah, it's like the bro

36:48

bras. And so anyways, I was working with

36:50

a lot of people that had injuries and

36:52

that sort of thing. And I finally

36:56

put it in a cream because they could

36:59

take it home and put

37:01

the oramis. So whatever their injury was,

37:03

a lot of broken bones and that

37:05

stuff. So it's putting the frequency of

37:07

a healed bone or whatever their element

37:09

was into the oramis. And then I

37:12

would take that oramis and make a

37:14

cream with it. And then they would

37:16

take it home and put the frequency

37:18

of a healed bone through the oramis with

37:20

the cream on it. And it's like a

37:22

magical thing for starting to happen. But now I

37:24

have to tell you what's the funny part in

37:27

this. So I decide I'm going to

37:29

make some of this and I'm going to send

37:31

it to my ex-husband. He had

37:33

this job that was really light heart on

37:35

his body. And

37:37

like two weeks later, he calls

37:40

and he's, what did you send me?

37:42

It's like everybody thinks I got a

37:44

facelift. All my wrinkles are

37:46

gone. And I'm like, you're

37:48

not supposed to put it on your face. You're

37:51

supposed to put it on your

37:53

body. And he's like, you

37:55

need to start a skincare line. And

37:58

now here. So what did

38:00

you put in it for? It

38:02

was literally just like cocoa butter and

38:04

oil and the oramids, and then the

38:07

frequencies I just put in that 963,

38:09

I didn't define it. That's

38:13

where I started moving is don't

38:16

define it. Don't define what

38:18

this does. Yeah, except for just

38:20

the intention that it's holding the

38:22

intelligence of source, because

38:25

that intelligence knows more than I do.

38:27

And so I kind of loosened it

38:30

up and just that's the intention is

38:33

because that intelligence knows

38:35

way more than I do. And why

38:37

would I want to define what I

38:39

think it is? It's

38:42

not about what I think. Fair

38:44

point. I want to go back

38:46

to scalar waves. Okay. A

38:50

lot of people will say, well, that sounds

38:52

like BS, except in physics, there is such

38:54

a thing as a scalar wave. This is

38:56

real. And in the canal,

38:59

the Panama Canal, they actually

39:01

have scalar waves that sometimes spontaneously form. It's

39:03

like a wave that goes from one length

39:05

to the canal, all the way. And it

39:07

doesn't drop off. They're pretty weird. And

39:11

one of my first lasers way

39:13

back in the day for healing had embedded scalar waves

39:15

in it. So this is something that we do know

39:17

how to do. It just it kind

39:20

of defies the way we see reality with

39:22

our normal thinking, because we know that you

39:24

drop a rock in the water and you

39:26

get ripples and they get smaller over time.

39:28

Those are normal sine waves. Just

39:30

the fact that there is another kind of wave

39:32

that propagates. And I don't

39:35

know if they always propagate in water with no drop

39:37

off because there has to be some sort of physics

39:40

rubbing against the sides of the canal or whatever the

39:42

heck, but there are definitely these waves. And

39:46

what you said earlier is that

39:49

you're embedding frequencies on top of

39:51

that. So maybe

39:53

those are foundational to reality. I don't

39:55

think we know, but you use the

39:57

word quantum a lot. So talk

39:59

to me about. Quantum versus scalar waves,

40:01

it's different. Mm, my

40:04

gosh. You know what I feel is

40:06

that we take words

40:09

to try to define something that can't

40:11

be defined. And for me,

40:14

quantum is, it's

40:18

the ability to predict

40:25

an outcome, but not necessarily knowing

40:27

if the outcome is there. So

40:30

I'm gonna give you an example.

40:32

So if you're putting a scalar

40:34

wave into

40:37

a product that has a

40:39

frequency and then you give it to

40:41

somebody, and then they have, let's go

40:43

back to the healing bone. I actually

40:46

had this happen to somebody. So

40:48

she had the screws put in

40:51

her foot because

40:54

she had an operation. And

40:56

we started

40:58

putting the oramis with a healed bone on it

41:03

and her body actually pushed the screws

41:06

out in order to heal the

41:08

bone. That's like Wolverine level stuff. Okay, but- They shoot

41:10

them in the head and go, do you kill them

41:12

with a piece like that? I know, right, right. I

41:14

want that. So that was

41:16

the intention and then the oramis

41:18

or the product took on that

41:20

intention and then it happened, right?

41:25

But there's something else that's

41:27

happening on a level that we can't see. That's

41:29

what we could see, right? And for me, that's

41:32

more of the quantum level. There's

41:35

definitely something happening. We can't always

41:38

measure it and there

41:40

are things that we can and it's this

41:42

affected this and then this happened, right?

41:46

I could go into it a little bit more, but I kind

41:49

of feel like for me, it's

41:51

just not that important. And I know that's

41:53

horrible and I know you're gonna say something

41:55

that's probably gonna make

41:58

this sound so much better. because

42:00

that's what you do. Look at you implanting quantum reality.

42:02

How do you know it wasn't just gonna make fun

42:04

of you and shame you for the way your brain

42:06

works? Don't you think that'd be more fun? Shame-based

42:09

motivation is what spin classes are based on.

42:13

Why wouldn't it work for podcasts? You

42:15

know you're pedaling in the spin class because you're gonna look dumb if you don't

42:17

pedal as far as the guy next to you. That's why

42:20

I don't go to spin classes because I got better stuff to do. I

42:22

don't go either. It's

42:24

the idea of it. I'm like, sorry guys, I'm happy that

42:26

you love it. Yeah, I'm not

42:28

a scientist. And

42:30

for me, like say, I actually, you know,

42:32

I'm gonna do a shout out to you.

42:35

So BioQuantum was just a kind of

42:38

a download. It was, this is what it's

42:40

gonna be called. And then it was actually

42:42

our last podcast that I

42:44

didn't even know there was something that

42:47

was called Quantum Biology. And

42:49

I was just like, wow, this

42:51

is an actual real thing. And

42:54

I learned so much from your podcast. And

42:56

that's why I was like, okay, this is

42:59

the two worlds coming together. But

43:02

I just live so much in

43:04

that world. And I can see what's happening in

43:06

my body when I start to move

43:08

it into frequency. And I can see

43:10

what happens to my cells and I can read

43:12

them multi-dimensionally. But I didn't know that it was

43:14

actually a real thing. It

43:17

is. I know why

43:19

you communicate the way you do. You

43:23

want a little like theory about that? Are

43:26

you gonna analyze me? Well,

43:28

not necessarily an analysis, but

43:32

I got introduced to this guy,

43:34

his name's Larry, who

43:37

runs this kind

43:39

of surprising company. It's

43:41

called like the Four Answers. And they just get

43:43

your birthday, your parents' birthdays and run it through

43:46

this ridiculous amount of code and come up with

43:48

stuff they shouldn't be able to tell about your

43:50

brains, but stuff with startling accuracy. And this is

43:52

one of those things where it shouldn't work, but

43:54

it does and has for 20 years, it's

43:57

like one of the many Enneagram personality.

44:00

you're profiling human design, like there's a whole bunch

44:02

of frameworks, all of which you'd be allergic to

44:04

because all of them label you in hectic photographs.

44:07

So you're like, ew, I'm already feeling dirty. So,

44:14

what this website is for is

44:17

for identifying compatibility

44:21

between two people. So it was primarily for relationships.

44:23

It was invented in the 90s by some weird

44:26

engineer trying to figure out why his

44:28

divorce happened. And one

44:31

of the areas of incompatibility is that

44:33

there's two kind of

44:35

polarities of brain type. And

44:37

this isn't for masculine feminine at all. It

44:39

actually is 50-50 in each sex. But

44:42

there's one around brain speed and there's another

44:44

one around, it

44:46

calls it mental, emotional versus, I

44:49

think, physical words. So some people,

44:52

words have actual

44:54

meaning, like dictionary

44:56

definition meaning. I'm one of those.

44:58

I'm a computer scientist guy. I

45:00

write New York Times books. So every word

45:02

I choose has a precise meaning and it's

45:04

the best word for that for

45:06

the level of reading of my audience. And

45:09

I also check, and this is unusual, I

45:12

also check the emotional feel of the word

45:14

when it's an important sentence to make sure

45:16

that it's gonna land without creating

45:18

undue confusion or

45:22

just chaos or questioning in someone's mind. Like

45:24

if I say we, and you don't know

45:26

who we is, you're like, am I a

45:28

part of we or am I already ostracized?

45:30

And then it doesn't work. So I don't

45:32

like it when my team uses the word

45:34

we without it being very clearly

45:36

defined because it makes people feel unsafe. So that might

45:39

not be part of we and then is the we

45:41

against me? Is it for me? And all this weird

45:43

like schoolyard stuff comes into you. So words have very

45:45

specific meanings to me. On

45:47

the other end of the spectrum, words have feelings.

45:50

And it's not the word, it's

45:52

all the emotion around the word. And

45:57

when I listen to the way

46:00

you express yourself. I would guess

46:02

that if we ran all the stuff on

46:04

that thing, that it would come

46:06

out that you're actually feeling everything you say.

46:09

Now here's the question. If someone

46:11

just says dry words to you, do

46:13

you hear them as much as if the person emotes the words? You

46:20

know, I love this question and

46:24

I definitely hear more through frequency.

46:27

So I'm not just

46:29

listening to the words, but I'm feeling

46:31

where you're holding those words. And

46:36

I'm gonna be super honest, that's one of the

46:38

reasons I wanted to do this in person because

46:41

I wanted to be able to feel your words

46:47

in your presence and it's

46:49

so much better. In-person podcasts

46:52

always work better and that's

46:54

part of the reason, but you can

46:56

feel words through Zoom or whatever.

46:58

But you're a little bit, a

47:00

little harder. You know why I'm harder?

47:04

I'm harder because I'm the brain type where

47:06

words have meaning and because I had Asperger's

47:08

syndrome. So for me, words

47:11

were just words and they have

47:13

exact precise crystal

47:15

clear definitions and my brain

47:17

still works like that. But through the process

47:19

of all the personal development and all the traveling

47:21

around the world and learning meditation and things like

47:23

that, I learned how

47:26

to consciously emote the

47:28

words. So when I say something, if I'm

47:30

at my full power and I haven't had

47:32

a bunch of MSG and mold toxins, which

47:35

makes me less able to do this, at

47:37

least now it does, then

47:41

I know

47:43

how to consciously put the intention

47:45

behind the words that matches the

47:47

precision of the word the way

47:49

I perceive it. I didn't

47:51

know about this polarity, but the conversation for

47:53

a couple hours over dinner with Larry who

47:56

runs that company, was

47:58

just inviting because it made me really. I think about that. And

48:01

I looked at friends and past relationships and you can

48:03

say, oh, this person has this and this person has

48:05

this. So it's just, there is

48:07

no good or bad for that. And

48:10

I realized that because of my own

48:12

limitations, growing up with a brain

48:14

that just didn't know how to process emotion, because it was

48:16

overwhelmed, that learning how to

48:18

process that with intention and then

48:20

how to share it with intention is totally

48:23

different. I am

48:25

blown away. This

48:27

is probably, that was one

48:29

of the coolest things I've ever heard

48:31

somebody actually walk through and

48:33

hold the frequency of your experience the whole

48:36

entire time. I mean, when I was sharing it

48:38

with you? Yeah. You could say I was

48:40

transmitting the images in the emotions. I could, it was amazing.

48:42

How's your number for this? Well,

48:44

it was received. You were

48:46

also a powerful transmitter too when you talked. Now,

48:49

to get back to your cool

48:52

products. I'm sorry, I'll disappoint

48:54

it. Okay. Now

48:56

you've already kind of, you're like scalar. You're

48:59

like, that's your first hippie flag. And then

49:01

you're like, no, no, no, I got scalar

49:03

and I got ormus. And they were like,

49:05

good, this woman definitely is wearing burlap right

49:07

now. And then you're like, no,

49:09

no, no, that wasn't enough. I've got the DMT

49:11

frequencies in there as well. And

49:13

now we're like, what are you on? And you're like, I'm not

49:15

even on anything. I'm just always on something. You're like, I'm on.

49:18

Okay. So

49:21

you're kind of overwhelming my spiritual stuff

49:23

here. Okay, scalar ormus, DMT. How

49:26

the heck is DMT involved in this? Guys,

49:29

DMT, if you don't know, is one

49:31

of the ingredients in ayahuasca. It's

49:33

probably safer to take DMT by

49:35

itself, not as part of

49:37

ayahuasca unless you're with a real shaman. And

49:40

it's a powerful but short acting psychedelic. So

49:43

DMT. Yeah,

49:47

going back to its intention, if you

49:50

will, it's

49:52

where is it being created from? And

49:55

it's holding consciousness on top of

49:57

the trip. And that is

49:59

the DMT. the frequency of DMT because when you're in

50:01

the trip, that

50:05

chemical is released into your brain and then

50:08

it starts to bring you through all

50:10

those different places. But the

50:12

point of it is to get on top of

50:14

it, is to get on top and

50:16

be in the resonance of the field or

50:18

the frequency of the

50:21

DMT itself. And that again is measured at

50:23

963, if we're gonna put

50:25

numbers and labels on all of it. I don't know that DMT

50:27

is measured at 963. You can look

50:29

it up. It's 963 what? Hurts, so

50:31

it is a hurt. But yeah,

50:34

you know what, I didn't actually even know that.

50:37

And I was guided to look

50:39

it up because

50:42

I knew there had something to do with DMT, but

50:45

I had no idea because I was, oh, it's just the

50:47

frequency of source if you're gonna put a word on it.

50:50

And then I heard no, it's the same

50:52

thing. And then that all came through

50:55

another whole story that we don't need to go

50:57

into. But I looked it

50:59

up and it was DMT is

51:01

measured at the same frequency of

51:04

source and it's 963. And

51:06

I was like, that's fascinating. I wanna ask Chad

51:08

GPT. I'll show

51:10

it to us. Or you're gonna look it up. Absolutely right now. I'll

51:13

do the voice thing. Okay. Connecting.

51:18

Look at that, it's doing psychedelic, flashy stuff. Wait, what is

51:21

this that we're asking? Oh, I guess I should take my

51:23

phone off for a play mode. Wake

51:26

up, Chad GPT. It's

51:28

connecting, look at that. It's hypnotizing us. It's using Quantum. You

51:32

can even go to YouTube and put

51:34

in DMT 963 and

51:37

you can listen to music

51:39

that's in that frequency.

51:43

Oh, you can totally get that. Yeah.

51:46

Okay, Chad GPT. Is

51:50

DMT a chemical? Number

51:55

one, could you wait a little while and stop interrupting

51:57

me while I'm formulating my thoughts? I

52:05

appreciate that you started speaking much more

52:07

slowly for me. Is

52:18

DMT a molecular compound

52:21

that is covalent? Now

52:35

why would I have asked that guy? You're saying, Dave, you just took a

52:37

lot of time to do that. So here's why.

52:42

When you have non-covalent

52:44

bonds in molecules,

52:49

that means they resonate at a certain frequency. And

52:51

it is measurable. And I don't

52:54

know if it's 960 or what

52:56

mechanism they're using to measure. But I know a lot

52:58

about this because, if you

53:00

guys are longtime listeners, there was a company called

53:02

HalfBe that came on the

53:05

show. And HalfBe was

53:07

formed out of $40 million worth

53:09

of cancer therapeutics research, where they

53:11

would take compounds that had non-covalent

53:14

bonds. They'd put them in

53:16

a liquid, helium-cooled,

53:20

magnetically shielded environment and

53:23

measure the resonant frequency

53:25

of electrons bouncing around in

53:27

there. And

53:29

they found that if they played

53:31

back that specific

53:33

frequency through pulse magnets

53:36

on your head, that they could

53:38

induce the same effects

53:40

as THC, as

53:44

Viagra, as almost

53:47

any pharmaceutical, unless it had a

53:49

covalent bond, which meant there was nothing resonating because it

53:51

was found that it didn't work right. So

53:55

perhaps that's how we know the code. That's

53:58

so cool. I

54:02

love the stuff. I always learn something from

54:04

you. I should listen to more of your

54:06

podcasts, I guess. Just read the transcript as fast

54:08

as you can. So what

54:11

I'm saying here for our audience, if

54:13

you're saying, what's going on with

54:15

all this? Guys, all

54:18

of biochemistry ultimately is quantum

54:20

biology and ultimately

54:22

is quantum physics. That's how it works. Another

54:26

company that I'm talking to

54:29

can now read biophotons coming off of

54:31

cells. Your DNA makes one biophoton, I

54:34

think every 40 seconds, 20

54:36

seconds, I forget which. They can actually capture

54:38

a single one, look at its spin state,

54:40

change it, and play it back and make

54:42

the cell behave differently. These are PhD, like

54:44

badass quantum physics people, also

54:47

cancer therapeutics. So we're learning a

54:50

lot more about reality than we thought we did. My

54:53

read on how you're doing this stuff is, well,

54:55

you can put the intention of a Bach flower

54:58

remedy. And by the way, guys, that's an ancient

55:00

German lineage. I used it on my kids when

55:02

they were tweaking. You give them a few drops

55:04

of Bach flower essence and then they chill out.

55:06

The stuff works, right? It works better than yelling

55:08

at your kids, that's for sure. I tried that

55:10

too, it didn't work. What

55:12

do you think about yelling at kids? Is that a good idea? No,

55:15

you've never done it? Not even once? No

55:20

one's perfect, me either. No one's perfect. All

55:24

right. Let's see.

55:26

You have a whole bunch of stuff in

55:28

your line now. And I will admit, I've

55:31

tried several of them. The

55:33

eye serum, the scalar

55:36

33. But

55:38

you have, whoa. I don't

55:40

have bio quantum particle accelerator, something like that.

55:42

What is that? I know you have, I

55:44

brought one for you. Do you have like

55:46

a giant buried ring underneath Switzerland where there

55:48

are some portals? You have to try this

55:50

thing. Okay, I'm gonna try it. So

55:54

I don't even remember. That's

55:56

where I left. You don't? I

55:58

don't know. I brought you a bottle.

56:01

I brought you a bottle, so I'll let you try it.

56:05

It has like five ingredients, I think. But

56:07

then, of course, I do the scaler and

56:10

put it into the

56:14

product. And I

56:16

just strongly recommend

56:18

it. I'll just leave it at that. I'll

56:21

check it out. Okay. Now,

56:25

we're coming up on the end of the episode. There's going to be a

56:27

short one, but we're having too much fun. Give

56:30

me one minute about ascension coaching, which also

56:32

means everything you do is like if you

56:34

take the most extreme quantum

56:36

flowy yoga flower name and you're like,

56:39

how do I make it even more?

56:42

So, like, ascension coaching, I would like to ascend. Tell me

56:45

how. What does it do? You

56:47

know, for me, learning ascension is

56:49

learning to master consciousness. And it's

56:52

learning to attune your consciousness to

56:54

a frequency or an

56:57

intelligence that has frequency that

56:59

isn't your own

57:01

programming. And the awareness

57:04

of where am I thinking from

57:06

is everything. And so

57:10

there's a gap. It's like once we have that awareness,

57:12

what do we do? And that's what

57:14

I love to teach is you

57:17

release a new frequency

57:19

and that you can attune your consciousness

57:21

to that. And that

57:24

intelligence that's in that frequency

57:27

has new thoughts. And

57:30

it's thought that isn't from

57:33

the filing cabinet or isn't from

57:35

something you read. It's

57:38

new thoughts. I

57:40

don't know. I think we all kind

57:42

of have the idea of what I'm

57:45

talking about, but also it's for

57:47

those of you that are doing psychedelics

57:50

and you get to the top of

57:52

the trip and you have

57:54

that very clean, pure,

57:57

it's almost quiet. it's

58:00

intelligent at the same time. And

58:03

it's not that you're not thinking anything, you're just

58:05

thinking clear. And

58:07

that right there is the way we

58:10

all can strive and

58:12

practice to be in that state

58:14

all the time. And

58:16

that's a passion of mine is coming

58:19

up with tools to attune

58:21

consciousness. You're teaching consciousness.

58:25

There's an old video of Ram Dass where

58:27

he's sitting there and he takes some like two

58:30

drops of liquid acid, which is a

58:32

major mega dose. And he just sits there

58:34

and doesn't affect him at all, because I'm

58:37

already there and not

58:39

in exactly the same way. But

58:42

I just had a

58:44

chance to interview Kimball Musk at

58:46

his house. And he's on the

58:48

board of SpaceX and just this really interesting guy,

58:52

very, very different from Elon. And

58:56

I asked him about putting DMT sauce on the steak

58:58

we were cooking. And

59:02

he starts laughing. He goes, I did

59:04

ayahuasca a while ago, but

59:06

I realized I don't need it. I already

59:08

had met God. I

59:10

met him when I broke my neck and almost died.

59:12

And so I already know the state and I don't

59:15

need medicines to get me there anymore.

59:17

And it was really profound. This is insider picked it

59:19

up and tried to say something like it was bad.

59:21

I was like, no, this was a guy who faced

59:24

mortality and had reached a different state.

59:26

And it was actually a really beautiful

59:28

interview. But this idea that you

59:30

don't need drugs to get there. And I've done

59:33

most of my work with neurofeedback

59:35

or with Bethworks more so than with

59:37

psychedelics. But I also go to Bradyman.

59:39

I like my psychedelics and I do

59:42

certain medicine work. But I

59:44

like it that you talk about how you can learn the states. Now

59:47

we're up to the end of the episode.

59:49

You're going to be at the biohacking conference.

59:51

So guys go to biohackingcommerce.com and you can

59:53

hang out with us. So

59:56

you will be there and you go to the

59:58

booth and you can hang out. And

1:00:00

I just find it's most helpful to

1:00:02

understand who's behind the stuff that I use because

1:00:04

it really matters more than you might think And

1:00:07

if you go to becoming bio

1:00:09

quantum comm slash Dave again becoming

1:00:11

bio quantum comm slash Dave Should

1:00:13

give you 22% off why

1:00:16

because if you take 963 and divide

1:00:18

it by some sacred number you get

1:00:20

22% Is that correct? I

1:00:23

love that you just said that so let's say yeah I

1:00:27

mean it doesn't divide evenly and I'm making this up as

1:00:29

I go along and I need an answer so I channeled

1:00:31

it You know

1:00:33

what I think is really interesting so

1:00:35

in numerology and Nines

1:00:38

always reflect themselves, right? So 963 is 9

1:00:40

9 so it's a 9 which

1:00:45

is and a lot of Well,

1:00:48

I don't I can't really say where I read this but I

1:00:51

do know that in some I Don't

1:00:54

even know what to call it. But 9 is

1:00:56

the frequency of mastering consciousness

1:00:58

of God so it's God

1:01:01

reflects God is the I am right I am

1:01:03

God is I am and The

1:01:07

9 is the ability to see everything is

1:01:09

God so that you can move into the

1:01:12

11 where you're actually holding consciousness Beyond the

1:01:14

I am or identity I'm

1:01:17

gonna spend the rest of the day parsing the

1:01:19

precise meaning of each of those words, but I

1:01:21

felt them Now

1:01:24

I have a question this is really serious

1:01:26

spiritual territory, why is it 963 not 369? Well,

1:01:31

those are two different frequencies They're

1:01:34

both made out of the same numbers. Why do they go in

1:01:36

that order? So the other order? Well,

1:01:39

if you're measuring something in her 369

1:01:43

holy number holy number holy number,

1:01:45

right? I think it's more

1:01:47

of our talking hurts waves, right?

1:01:49

Yeah, so that's not identifying at

1:01:52

the numbers. No Okay,

1:01:54

you identify as the wave and labeling it

1:01:56

with the number is still like impure. I

1:01:58

mean I'm doing my best Like

1:02:01

we're in a world where there will be

1:02:03

a time where we can all just transmit

1:02:05

frequency and understand. You're

1:02:08

fun to hang out with because you

1:02:10

really do like everything you do is a

1:02:12

vibration. I can feel that about you, right?

1:02:15

And I can hang there, but that's not my

1:02:17

natural state, right? And

1:02:20

so I just want something so interesting. And

1:02:22

sometimes I'm like trying to parse a sense. I'm like,

1:02:24

that sense was all feeling. And

1:02:26

I'm okay with that now. And it used to be that I would get really

1:02:29

reactive. I'd be like, that's because there's

1:02:31

an intent to deceive me. And there

1:02:33

isn't. You're just like saying it as you feel

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it. And as you feel things, you can make

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things. And it's, there

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are people out there who do that. When

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Teal Swan was sitting there, she talked about how she

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says everything is frequencies and she couldn't even put makeup

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on when she first started because she's like, I don't

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know where the frequency density of my face is enough

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to hold makeup. And she would like put it outside

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of her face and people see the world

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in different ways. And my way isn't the

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only way. It's just

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the best. On

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that note, guys, it's bio

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or becoming bio quantum.com/ Dave, save

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yourself 22%. Try

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this Galar 33 or misactivator. I

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was surprised. I didn't necessarily think it was going to work

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or not work, but I was willing to be pleasantly

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surprised than I was. So I will

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tell you it does work. And

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Jewel, thanks for making the trick out. Thank

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you for having me, Dave. This is so much more

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fun than I thought it was going to be. That

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was a compliment. Thank you.

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