Sometimes contracting undifferentiated racial justice learning for “all staff” groups may not be the most effective approach for learning and development. For example, employees who identify as Black, Indigenous, and people of color (BIPOC) already navigate fatigue and should not be burdened with educating their white colleagues about racism. For more nuanced learning, race-based caucus groups can be a practical alternative. In this companion episode for the book Racial Justice at Work: Practical Solutions for Systemic Change (Berrett-Koehler Publishers, 2023), lead author Mary-Frances Winters and special projects editor Gabrielle Gayagoy Gonzalez sit down with Leigh Morrison, Learning and Innovation Manager for The Winters Group, Inc., to explore her chapter “A Racial Justice-Centered Approach to Learning and Development.” Listen in as they discuss how to disrupt the potential harm posed by employee education and lift up ways that lessons can be experienced with care and fidelity to our common humanity. Want to be a part of the conversation? Share your thoughts on racial justice at work on any social media platform using #RacialJusticeAtWork.