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the events shaping. You won. A.

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Trip to windswept Scottish islands reveals

1:00

are troubling trend for archaeology. Climate

1:02

change is unearthing national treasures over

1:04

the place, but the lands developers

1:07

who typically fun archaeological digs are

1:09

nowhere to be seen. And

1:13

a new. French biopic tells

1:15

the story of classical composer

1:17

Maurice rebels struggle to create

1:19

his distinctive nineteen Twenty eight.

1:21

Peace will ever it could.

1:24

It's repetitive. Nist had something

1:26

to do with the composer's

1:28

brain disease. First

1:34

out, the. Singapore

1:44

is often admired as one

1:46

of the world's most successful

1:48

societies. Well,

1:51

at least in financial terms. It

1:53

stability as well as it's tax

1:55

and government's regimes have long been

1:58

attractive to international and best. Human

2:02

hands, Strong links with China

2:04

and is criticized for it's

2:06

illiberal domestic policy. No

2:10

changes asserts at the top. And.

2:12

Singapore is about to come under

2:14

new management. I. Accept

2:17

this responsibility. With. Humility

2:19

and a deep sense of

2:21

duty. Nine One

2:23

Singapore's Finance Minister and deputy

2:25

prime minister who take a

2:27

their families yenlong later this

2:30

month. Every ounce

2:32

of my energy show be

2:34

devoted. To. The service of our

2:36

country and our people. Mr.

2:39

Wong will be just as for Prime

2:41

minister since Nineteen sixty five. The

2:43

year that Singapore gained independence from Malaysia.

2:46

And among the challenges he faces

2:49

is protecting islands economic progress. And

2:52

need increasingly tricky relations between

2:54

China and the West. Economists.

2:57

Foreign editor Patrick Thousand spoke to

2:59

Mr. Wong earlier this week to

3:01

discuss the future of Singapore, it's

3:03

model for government and the risks

3:05

that lie ahead. I

3:12

met Mr. Wong in a peaceful

3:14

room overlooking the skylight and Singapore

3:16

which is a mixture of really

3:18

old lady or buildings and hyper

3:20

modern architecture in the financial center.

3:22

On a wants to find out

3:24

what's his prime ministership would mean

3:26

for the country and how he

3:29

was gonna change Singapore compared to

3:31

what his predecessors dead and I

3:33

will be the first prime minister

3:35

the be born off the Singapore's

3:37

independence. All my predecessors

3:39

sang to lot three other

3:41

national and tons of that.

3:44

I've only saw one national enter. Mudra.

3:47

Lacing Up or our national motto

3:49

of fifty one years old as

3:51

to one was born seven years

3:53

and to Singapore's existence as a

3:55

nation and he'll be the source

3:57

Prime Minister since independence for Singapore.

4:00

Not l me a bit about mister One. What

4:02

was he like? Well. I

4:05

think she's much more of a

4:07

humble figure compared to some of

4:09

the prime minister's some the polls

4:11

hadn't. the pasties much more accessible

4:13

and also has a more typical

4:15

background. Said he wanted local school

4:17

in Singapore rather than one of

4:19

the elite schools. My. Background

4:21

is what it is, even if it's helpful

4:23

if it makes it more be made about

4:25

the Singapore and so much the better. He.

4:27

Grew up on one of the city's

4:30

public housing estates which are when they

4:32

Singaporeans. Less. Often studying

4:34

in Singapore, he went. To.

4:36

University in the States and he

4:39

spoke and fondly boxes time busking

4:41

or American streets during his university

4:43

years and a factors will say

4:45

become known for doing a guitar

4:48

solos on social media. says.

4:53

And actually man and money when. Mr.

4:59

Once ascendancy means that for the first

5:01

time in the country's modern history, there

5:03

is no member of the least family

5:05

either in charge waiting in the wings.

5:07

Mr. Wong believes he can live up to

5:09

his predecessors. I believe when push comes to

5:11

shop and the time cause of that hi

5:14

this is sense. I would do so. So

5:16

long as the dissenters in the in says

5:18

of Singapore and Singapore, it. In. One

5:20

time mentioned Singapore is still an

5:22

exemplar and that's the economy. It's

5:24

a combination of. Being.

5:26

Open. Embracing. Change

5:29

and technology. And. Trying

5:31

to be a small says possible

5:33

was government decision making. More

5:36

contentious bit of Singapore is

5:38

it's political system. Which.

5:40

Remains something rather different from

5:42

a fool fat western style

5:45

democracy. The latest

5:47

democracy and x for my

5:49

sister company, Economist Intelligence Units

5:51

pacify Singapore as a snored

5:53

democracy at D C. Mr.

5:56

Wong, strengthening samples democratic principles.

5:58

Mister Ones. People's Action Party

6:01

has been the dominant force

6:03

and Singaporean politics for six

6:05

decades. And rules continuously.

6:07

But it's level of control

6:09

has relaxed a bit. So

6:11

the Center Left Workers Party

6:13

one two of the country's

6:15

multi member constituencies, and Twenty

6:18

Twenty. A. First for any opposition

6:20

group in the country's history, and it

6:22

has roughly a tenth of seats in

6:24

parliament. And the opposition and

6:26

title has around forty percent of

6:29

votes say it's got some weight

6:31

said The Resistance in which politics,

6:33

while not a multi party system.

6:36

All. More contestable than in

6:38

the past. While the

6:40

majority today would like to be happy

6:42

to be in power to be in

6:44

government, they would also like to see

6:46

more opposition voices in parliament. So.

6:49

The opposition presence in parliament is here

6:51

to stay. And it's quite clear.

6:54

But. At the same time the current

6:56

outgoing Prime Minister Lee is like

6:58

these a play some role in

7:00

decision making. While. This is a

7:03

Singapore tradition I mean you don't find

7:05

is commonly in other countries by it's

7:07

a longstanding Singapore traditional without found it

7:09

very valuable. Mr. Wong launched

7:12

a policy called for would Singapore

7:14

in the last couple of years,

7:16

which is a really large scale.

7:19

Engagements Us citizens about two hundred

7:21

thousand people participated. Conversation.

7:24

Still has limits and perhaps mister One

7:26

will go further. During. His time

7:28

in office. Me: Will have to do

7:30

our best to engage Singaporeans. We'll have

7:33

to do our best. Were involved dance

7:35

in decisions that they care deeply about.

7:38

And. In shaping our future. Mr.

7:40

Wong Tobin. The next generation

7:42

holds hi democratic expectations. Is

7:45

myself my team. We are unable

7:47

to meet up the doors high

7:49

expectations. If we are unable to

7:52

deliver those standards and a better

7:54

team arises then. Singaporeans.

7:56

Would choose accordingly. I have no doubt about that.

8:00

I think what's happening in Singapore

8:02

is you got a dynamic, hyper

8:04

rich, hyper modern society that's undergoing

8:06

more change And that means I

8:08

think the government has to be

8:10

more accountable to have public opinion

8:12

is shifting. What? Other

8:15

challenges is mister one facing. Will.

8:17

Singapore had a kind of golden

8:20

era where as a trading center.

8:22

With. A growing population it was able to

8:24

grow really fast and the era of. Legalization

8:27

and what's happening now is some

8:29

of those. Underlying factors

8:32

are heading in the opposite direction,

8:34

say the world economy is no

8:36

less. Trade centric that it

8:38

was another same time, the number

8:41

of working age citizens is forecast

8:43

to decline by several hundred thousand.

8:45

To about one point nine million. By

8:48

twenty thirty the will that means is

8:50

higher health care costs and at the

8:52

same time it means it needs grace

8:54

in the workforce to keep expanding the

8:56

economy. And that's why migration comes and.

8:59

We. Welcome foreign professionals to work

9:02

in Singapore, but it's. It's

9:04

control because if it's not control, I

9:07

think they will be easily swapped. And

9:09

rising numbers of people create more

9:12

competition. Some native Singaporeans feel that

9:14

the odds are stacked against them,

9:16

with lights of highly qualified outsiders

9:19

getting a better chance of the

9:21

top jobs. And. Singapore sits

9:23

in a precarious position between

9:25

China and America. It's open

9:27

to both. Tell me that

9:29

more about that. One. Time says

9:32

Singapore's economy is split between

9:34

trading and take business with

9:36

the West and with. Asia.

9:39

Including China. Meanwhile, the

9:42

population majority Chinese have

9:44

strong cultural. And. Often

9:46

ancestral links with China. And

9:49

that does create some tensions in the

9:51

global all day shifting. the you need

9:53

for the moment for America has ended.

9:56

Yet it remains a preeminent power

9:58

in the world as friends. The

10:00

Eating to a multipolar world. Balancing.

10:03

This line between. The. Two

10:05

Superpowers is tricky for a small country.

10:07

When. A big country deals with a small

10:10

country that the country often doesn't realize how

10:12

imposing they are. And. Is very hard

10:14

to find a happy balance between the two. The.

10:16

Big and small country at the same time. To.

10:19

Hear more about this and an version

10:21

of the interview with Lawrence. One listened

10:24

to Money Talks which Will Be at

10:26

the Ceiling on the Economist podcast feet.

10:28

And. A set Sounds like the new prime

10:30

minister has lots of challenges ahead of him.

10:32

He think he's got what it takes to

10:34

deal with them. I think

10:36

in. The. Economic Sphere: Mr.

10:38

Wong said gender is exactly

10:41

the right one. The.

10:43

Focus is on keeping Singapore as

10:45

open as possible to the world

10:47

economy. Even though it's scope more

10:49

turbulent. The reality is we are

10:51

still a very tiny little island

10:53

in avast and dangerous world. Which.

10:55

Is going to get more dangerous in the

10:57

coming years. The area where I

10:59

think. Mr. Wong, she probably

11:01

do more. Is. On politics.

11:04

It's better to have a political system.

11:07

There's. More resilient, more flexible,

11:09

more open to new ideas. But

11:11

it's still a bit of an

11:14

open question how far Lawrence Warm

11:16

and the fourth generation Singaporean the

11:18

To see represents are prepared to

11:20

get in that direction. What?

11:23

Has happened in the last sixty years has

11:25

been nothing short of America. And. My

11:28

mission. Is a kid this miracle

11:30

going for as long as I can? And

11:32

to mix well, Little red.shines brightly for

11:34

as long as possible. Whether.

11:37

Singapore succeeds is important because

11:39

it's an example of how

11:41

to get wealthy hi to

11:43

succeed to lots of other

11:45

countries around since was watching

11:47

closely. And was completely lil pets.

11:49

I think you say much for coming on the say.

11:52

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12:54

is an archaeological site that contains

12:56

the remains of iron age and

12:58

know settlement I get. I get

13:00

blown over if is yes as

13:02

wow I'll get. Muddled right right

13:04

about Foreign affairs for the Economist were.

13:06

On the island a rousing which is

13:08

one of the Orkney Islands of the

13:10

North coast of Scotland. As soon as

13:12

he is a nice here and it's

13:14

history all around us. Yeah and that

13:16

sits Rams in the has since all

13:18

the way back to Ram. And

13:21

and cool. Is the know

13:23

slows has would just make me the coast

13:25

and a big bay. In. Front

13:27

of me is what looks like a

13:30

load of rubble. the in it is

13:32

an archaeological do it. Also sticky say

13:34

they see the right side here so

13:36

all the way alone here there's a

13:39

little iron age building. The

13:41

know if one time has been here for

13:43

thousands of years. But. It disappearing

13:45

first. Night with

13:47

Happening. Oh coastal erosion

13:50

has destroyed most of the

13:52

know sunrise. Solving puzzles a

13:54

concise I'm things rerouting

13:56

all. The Time to Julie

13:58

Bowen and Huh? On.the thieving

14:00

don't grow. Lead ongoing excavations

14:02

at the North. Wonder if.

14:05

I spoke with bases m. I

14:07

six. Years

14:10

for the rank. As what's

14:12

written around as classic. The final third.

14:15

Will. Go within. The

14:17

next year to be unequally. That

14:20

it's it's just retracing back from the

14:22

say it'll be that. These.

14:24

Deposits for gone from underneath and the

14:26

whole thing will and start say the

14:28

same can sit disappear that players of

14:30

England. And

14:32

then a big storm of events. the

14:34

beach that he says library science as

14:36

soon as you. Got the

14:39

no Experience is more wind turbines old and

14:41

had been predicted for twenty fisted. Rising.

14:44

Sea levels are more frequent, storms are

14:46

washing away the sediment. Let aside said.

14:49

Rising. Sea levels, more frequent storms. The sounds like

14:51

it's going to be a closer to history. Is

14:53

day said. Steven. Julie

14:55

Things I take. With climate

14:58

change the story this is increasing,

15:00

The sea level is definitely increasing

15:02

and so erosion is getting faster

15:04

and so it's important that will

15:06

have to. Decide before they get. Scotland,

15:09

Is not the only place like change in

15:11

weather patterns are causing a problem. Unesco.

15:14

Reckons that one in six cultural heritage

15:16

sites are threatened by climate change in

15:18

England. Says of i'm I'm thought called

15:20

Than Than and Out and the waterlogged

15:22

conditions that preserved as phone is lacking

15:24

tablets for millennia. I'm not going up.

15:27

And outset some as possible as

15:29

eaten away and ditches, artifacts. And

15:31

sites across the Middle East have been buried

15:33

under tons of sand. But. When it

15:36

comes to climate change, akio of civil

15:38

preservation. It's hardly a pirated. So.

15:41

Is anything at all being done? Can anything

15:43

be done? A climate emergency

15:45

was declared and twenty twenty by the

15:47

International Council on Monuments and Sites, which

15:49

deals with this kind of thing. But

15:52

many archaeologists say policymakers have been

15:54

slow. The mark. Funding. Is

15:57

the main problem. Archaeology Concerned

15:59

about world. Milan developers. But

16:01

when it comes to climate related damaged, there's no

16:03

one's pay for it. Is. Costly bill

16:06

protective measures I'm so it doesn't happen

16:08

too often these days. But. There

16:10

are some benefits that com climate change. Go

16:12

on. What was the good side of the story? Well.

16:15

Archaeologists are coming across nice sites.

16:18

Several. Of the most exciting discoveries a

16:20

recent years some nazi war sits in

16:23

the don't need to ancient book carvings

16:25

and amazon or revealed only aston severe

16:27

drought. Storm. And expose hidden

16:29

gems to. Skara. Brae which

16:31

is a near less excite in Orkney with

16:34

concealed by son James until it was disturbed

16:36

by storm and the nineteenth century. As.

16:38

Centuries old sit let repaid under

16:40

similar circumstances this year. So.

16:43

The way to think about this and is that we are losing

16:45

some sites but along the way we're going to gain some or.

16:47

Yeah for even for those newly

16:49

discovered sides to change poses a

16:51

problem. And so outrageous and

16:54

heritage institutions are faced with a

16:56

brilliant politician. Which. Sites

16:58

will they save a wizard School

17:00

day allowed to disappear of decay,

17:03

Given. The sheer numbers sites on the

17:05

threat and unlimited resources a foldable

17:07

many flights will be lost. And

17:10

as those sites that damaged or

17:12

disappear historical knowledge and tourism know

17:14

go with them. I

17:16

spoke with some I'm from his.environment Scotland.

17:18

He works on credit Wholesome and she

17:20

says communities need to come to terms

17:23

with changing them states. And adapt

17:25

accordingly. To

17:28

know play there is hope sites

17:30

like one day a tendency laser

17:32

scanning and other technologies to capture

17:35

a ditch to record says he

17:37

should animation and told me about

17:39

that on the coastline of Roses

17:41

the site is be lazy scams

17:43

says or less see cove Nicole

17:45

person who's doing a phd so

17:47

she's lays a scam this and

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she's from of pay for your

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ugly scanned the whole thing so

17:53

we got free the models of

17:55

its were recording with all the

17:57

modern technology drugs. And overhead.

18:00

Top of a fuzzy grammar tree.

18:02

Saw west. Says they were recording

18:05

everything we can and the sea

18:07

so called speak publicly available when

18:09

with actually finished and. While goes

18:11

far as intense. New

18:15

technology That this means we can size

18:17

and least some of this. Wonderful he

18:19

says. Madeline.

18:21

Thanks very much Freedom Honky Tonk. Murray's

18:34

Rebels Bolero is a pretty

18:36

weird peace. Matt.

18:39

Stained Glass is the economist and

18:41

deputy editor. Starts

18:43

off with this and do for and. That

18:51

rhythm with seats and the snare

18:53

drama for the entire duration of

18:56

the peace. One Hundred and Sixty

18:58

Nine ties are just too. melodies

19:00

in the Peace Fair repeated over

19:03

and over again a times each.

19:07

Starts with the some of. And.

19:12

And tunes are repeated over and

19:15

over again, being passed around to

19:17

different instruments in the orchestra. The

19:21

peace is basically it sees. It

19:23

uses that repetition to build up

19:25

the expectation of the something big

19:27

happening, and then in the end,

19:29

it just explodes all those expectations.

19:32

It was originally the score to a

19:34

short ballet. It's danceable and very catchy,

19:36

and it has a tendency to keep

19:38

running in the listeners had long after

19:40

the peace ends. A.

19:50

New Friends biopics called Bolero tells

19:52

the story of Rebels, struggles of

19:54

composed of Peace and Nineteen Twenty

19:56

Eight and it employs a similar

19:58

kind of rapid. Remove. Him

20:01

an at it as as often as

20:03

you know this wasn't for newcomers. The.

20:06

Director and Fontaine keeps coming back

20:08

over and over to Rebels. Fascination

20:10

with the chemical noise is tortured,

20:13

sexuality is habit of procrastination. That

20:15

and his long mental deterioration. He

20:17

died in Nineteen. Thirty Seven have

20:20

a brain disease, and some neurologists

20:22

think that brain disease may have

20:24

been a condition called frontotemporal dementia,

20:26

which is associated with obsessive repetition.

20:33

Whether the pieces a symptom

20:35

of neurological dysfunction or not,

20:37

it's one of the most

20:39

performed pieces around in the

20:42

classical repertoire. Royalties from performances

20:44

and recordings and film scores

20:46

have done some to something

20:48

like a hundred million dollars,

20:50

But the issue of who

20:52

gets all that money is

20:54

complicated. Rebels had no descendants

20:56

on his desk and copyright

20:58

past his brother who got

21:00

into a car accidents, married

21:02

his caretaker. See them

21:04

left the rights to her first

21:06

husband. he married his manicurist who

21:08

had a daughter from a previous

21:10

marriage and the copyright to all

21:13

of Rebels works wound up belonging

21:15

to that donors ever been tend

21:17

to custom under French law, the

21:19

peace and to the public domain

21:21

and two thousand and sixteen but

21:23

like the music of Pull their

21:26

whole the copyright story never seems

21:28

to and in two thousand and

21:30

eighteen Miss Pentecostals sued System which

21:32

is Francis Musical. Copyright Agency.

21:35

Arguing that Valero was actually

21:37

a collaborative work. Of off. And

21:42

the choreographer Than Islam Unleashing

21:45

scar. That would

21:47

mean that the copyright should

21:49

and on the basis of

21:51

the death of the last

21:53

collaborator, the choreographer, he didn't

21:55

die until Nineteen Seventy Two

21:57

and a decent continued receive

21:59

royals. Nine.

22:05

Hundred or before. This

22:12

weekend's movie starts off with Roselle

22:14

in the middle of a severe

22:16

case of writer's block. Either

22:18

Rubenstein, who is a flamboyant Russian

22:20

dancer in Paris in the nineteen

22:22

twenties, commissioned him to write a

22:24

ballet, And Nineteen Twenty eight. Hazards

22:27

of recess any tune and is

22:30

it didn't look for something. He

22:32

agreed to compose something that evoked his

22:34

Basque Spanish roots. But then he began

22:36

procrastinating and became obsessed by an emotional

22:38

affair with the wife of one of

22:41

his patrons and another see. And he

22:43

takes he to Rubenstein who commissioned the

22:45

Peace to A Factory and says he

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should do ballet. that's an ode to

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mechanical modernity based on the scenes and

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so forth. She

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says she loves his vision but then

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she goes ahead and ignores it's and

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creates this kind of seems spanish fantasia.

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Valera was immediately a huge hit.

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Arturo Toscanini conducted a rendition with

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a New York Philharmonic and Nineteen

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Thirty that was massively popular. Rebel

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said he pleaded much too fast and to

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modern your sound that way. In

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the seventies, the movie Ten came out

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in Nineteen Seventy Nine, which was a

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more. Or

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artists, for example, the legendary Detroit's

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set designer and the choreographer had

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nothing to do with composing the

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Peace, and she never claimed that

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