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Welcome to episode 365 of the

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Intermittent Fasting Podcast. If

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you want to burn fat, gain energy, and

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enhance your health by changing when you

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eat, not what you eat

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with no calorie counting, then this

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friends. Now back to the

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show. Hi, everybody and

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welcome. This is episode number 365

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of the Intermersion Fasting Podcast. I'm

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Melanie Avalon and I'm here with Vanessa

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Spina. How are you today, Vanessa?

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I am so well. How are you, Melanie? I

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am so good. You and I

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haven't talked in forever. I know.

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It's so good to be back. Yeah, this is my

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first, this is well, kind of my

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first week officially back at work, back

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at it fully after maternity leave. So

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I'm really excited to be back. Feels

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good. You're back for like a teaser

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moment and then we had some guest

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episodes. But now

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it's the the long call.

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Yeah, I'm so happy to be here. And

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actually, normally we're recording, especially when

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you were having your baby and

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all the things we were

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way ahead. But this one actually airs pretty soon.

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So we can actually sort of talk about present

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events and it will sort of be. Yeah,

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I like feeling that I mean, you know with

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my podcast I put it out like the next

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week is or within a week or two because

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I just like yeah I love that. We're

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a little bit more In

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time with everyone else Actually,

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I will ask you then because we

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were talking right before this we sort of

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recently had Easter wait Tell me so you said

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the kids were in a bike park and there

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were little stoplights. Can you please paint a picture?

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Yeah, this is amazing. So this is the thing

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I didn't know existed But on Friday we went to

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this park with all of our friends and all of

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our kids So there's like six

10:33

couples six kids and it's all boys

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except for two girls and the girls

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are babies So all the boys about

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their bikes. So six boys by together

10:43

and it's a little bike park that

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is contained It's got a

10:47

playground and everything but it's got all

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these streets and It

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has all these streets like stoplights and

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street signs and everything so they can

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bike around with their little bikes and their helmets and

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like the lights go red and green and they can

11:00

just Almost as if they were like

11:03

driving like on the road, but they're

11:05

in a safe like Playground

11:07

like contained area and it's

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just got all the traffic signs and stop

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signs and stuff. It's so cute I didn't

11:13

even know that these places existed. There's a few

11:15

of them around the city It was just the most

11:17

beautiful day cuz the Sun was out We're

11:19

getting an early summer here in Prague so

11:22

it was so much fun we just had our picnic

11:25

bath blankets out and we had

11:27

like a picnic situation with everybody and Everyone

11:30

has newborns. So all the newborns are like

11:32

on the blanket together and all the bullies

11:35

were You know driving their bikes around and

11:37

all the dads were having beers It's

11:39

like 11 in the morning very

11:42

common in Europe And

11:45

it was a long weekend But

11:47

it was so cute and and so much fun

11:49

to see them all, you know biking around

11:51

together And you know the red light

11:54

green light everything I just didn't know that these

11:56

places existed, but there's so much fun Do

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you have pictures? Yeah I have

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like videos of everything. I wanna see, I mean,

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if I was like a little kid, that just

12:05

sounds like that would have been so fun. Like

12:07

so fun. Oh my goodness.

12:09

Isn't it funny how when you're a kid, you

12:11

have so much fun doing pretend versions

12:13

of like boring things that adults do?

12:16

Oh, I know, I'm always like, why do you

12:18

wanna do this? But he looks like his favorite

12:20

thing is getting, that when the

12:22

groceries get delivered, he runs the door and

12:24

he like gets the bags and then he helps

12:26

us unpack everything and put it away in the,

12:29

you know, cover. He just loves it. He's like,

12:31

I'm helping. Like when I was

12:33

a kid, I remember I got a vacuum, like a

12:35

pretend vacuum, and it was like the best Christmas ever.

12:37

Like why, you know? So yeah, it's

12:39

hilarious. They just wanna be like us. I guess

12:41

they just wanna be grownups. It's

12:44

so adorable. I remember we went to this

12:46

children's museum when I was little and they

12:48

had this whole like grocery

12:50

store, like fake grocery store,

12:52

but it was like a real grocery store, but

12:54

completely fake. And it was like the most

12:57

fun thing. And then like you play the computer

12:59

games where you like are pretending to

13:01

like be a server or like

13:04

be a, like I remember I had a Barbie

13:06

game and you like work behind

13:08

the snack shop, like

13:10

as a game. And then later

13:12

you're like working behind the snack shop, painting your

13:14

life later. What is it for Easter? I

13:17

actually just, well, so the day before,

13:19

my sister and I drove to Chattanooga

13:22

to see a comedian, John Christ. Do

13:24

you know him? I don't,

13:26

but I love Santa County. He's a

13:28

Christian comedian. And so

13:30

he's not like, he's

13:33

Christian in that he makes a

13:35

lot of jokes related to Christian

13:38

references, I guess. And he's

13:40

Christian. It's funny because I was raised really Christian.

13:42

So like we get all the jokes. He

13:45

made me one of the first jokes.

13:47

Like he called me out in the

13:49

audience. I love that. Yeah,

13:52

it was amazing. And then I just caught

13:54

up on work the next day, actually. One

13:57

last Easter question. Did you stuff the eggs

13:59

with keto can? This

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is amazing. So one of my girlfriends

14:03

here said that she last year, she

14:05

had these eggs that opened up and

14:08

they had tiny cars inside them. So

14:11

I was like, I'm obsessed with this idea now.

14:14

So I got all these rainbow colored eggs and

14:17

they open up and I was like, I have to

14:19

find tiny cars. So they on Sunday or on Saturday

14:22

after we met up with some friends who were in

14:24

town, I went to the mall and

14:26

I'm like, well, you've got these tiny cars. I didn't

14:28

find them anywhere like a toy store, all

14:31

like supermarket, like there was none

14:34

and nothing would fit in the eggs. And then

14:36

finally, as I like was about to give up

14:38

near the cash register, there was like these little

14:40

like clear purses with tiny

14:43

little toys inside them said

14:45

like cars and turtles

14:47

and you know, Christmas tree and

14:49

like these cute little like dinosaurs

14:51

and they were the perfect size.

14:53

They were all individually wrapped and

14:56

they all fit inside the egg. So he did that

14:58

and put them all around our place. He

15:00

was like in heaven and then we also

15:03

did, we made keto

15:05

chocolates together, which was

15:07

really fun. We like melted the chocolate together and

15:10

like I do it just coconut oil, 100% dark

15:12

chocolate and then add

15:14

some stevia and then we poured it into

15:17

some molds. They're like these little teddy bears

15:19

and he loved it. And I also found

15:22

some like conventional looking

15:24

Easter like smarties and like

15:27

these like chocolates of peanuts and

15:29

then that were colored eggs that had

15:32

just no sugar added in them. They were

15:34

just like with stevia and stuff.

15:36

So it was great. Like he kind of the

15:38

full experience. We did a whole bunch of other

15:40

Easter stuff like planting our garden and all that.

15:43

And he had a full experience and I like it

15:46

really meant a lot to me for him to

15:48

have the full experience of it because I do

15:50

feel like sometimes, you know, like

15:52

with Halloween, for example, like we don't really do that

15:55

as much. So I have heard

15:57

an amazing Halloween hack, which is like They

16:00

trick or treat, get all the toys, sorry,

16:02

get all the candy, and then they trade

16:05

that in for some kind of toy, and

16:07

it has a name to it. It's,

16:09

some like parents were sharing it with me on

16:12

Instagram last year, but they basically trade in all

16:14

their candy for like a big toy, and I'm

16:16

like, that sounds perfect. But it just meant

16:18

a lot to me that he could participate in the

16:20

Easter fun without also, you

16:23

know, just like eating tons of

16:25

chocolate, which, I mean, some

16:27

people only think that's like being overly strict

16:29

or whatever, but, you know, for

16:31

us, like, we know that a

16:34

lot of these things are kind of like hijacked by like

16:36

Hallmark and by, you know, companies

16:39

that sell chocolate and candies and

16:41

everything. So, you know,

16:43

it's not the best thing, you know,

16:45

like for them to be just like gorging

16:47

on all this sugary candy at all these

16:50

different like holidays. So if you

16:52

can do it in a way that still

16:54

celebrates it and makes it fun, especially if,

16:56

you know, it has meaning to you beyond

16:58

candy, which obviously it's

17:00

a very meaningful holiday for

17:02

a lot of people, you know, and also

17:04

be able to make it a healthy experience.

17:06

Like I felt like so good

17:08

about it. I felt like it was a big win that

17:10

we got to do all of that. My

17:13

mom used to put in, in some of them,

17:15

well, it was all conventional candy,

17:17

but then she would also put in Sacajawea

17:19

coins in some of them. What are those?

17:21

They're like golden dollars

17:23

in the US here that

17:26

they released at one point.

17:28

So that's an idea. You could put in

17:31

some interesting like coin or something. I don't

17:33

know what type of money you have in

17:35

Prague. Oh, okay. So like then you could

17:37

use it to go get like a present

17:39

or something. That or like just because it's

17:41

not that they're collectibles, but it was

17:44

just cool to have like Sacajawea coins. Are

17:46

you sick, Wendy? Like does Prague

17:49

have any special

17:51

currency? I mean, they use the Czech

17:53

crowns. Like that's the currency

17:55

here, which I think is really cool that they

17:57

haven't adopted the euro. So they still have Czech. Like,

18:00

oh, that's cool. Yeah, I really miss when Europe

18:02

had all the individual like the Frank's it's with

18:04

Frank's Well, he's still so strange But you had

18:07

like, you know the French ranks and you had

18:09

the lira and Italy and all that I really

18:11

miss that because it's kind of magical You

18:14

know when you're a kid and you travel over here and now

18:16

she's like a hero like it's kind of boring The

18:19

more everything gets homogenized like it loses

18:21

all that Like

18:23

the original culture girl. Yeah,

18:25

I kind of miss that but i'm glad

18:27

that some countries still have it For

18:30

now they're toying with the idea

18:32

of adopting the euro, but for now

18:34

they still have check runs. Oh, I

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love it and speaking of

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all the things actually wait before that

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or should I do it after? No,

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This is the one that you have which is the

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so glad you like the packaging the way it looks.

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I see. I love that. So

20:13

I mean, it's very easy to use. I've

20:15

been using it actually when I, at night when

20:18

I'm lying down in my sauna. Is

20:20

it important? Okay, because I read the instructions.

20:24

I probably should reread them, but I had

20:26

some questions. How important is it, maybe

20:29

it does say this in the manual, but

20:31

that you as a person

20:33

are not like moving around?

20:36

That's a really interesting question. No

20:38

one's ever asking that before. The

20:40

reason I'm asking is because I

20:43

feel like with my diet,

20:45

because I follow a pretty high

20:48

carb diet. So I do

20:50

intermittent fasting one meal day, but it's very

20:52

high carb in that meal. What

20:54

it seems like, and for measuring with this device,

20:56

it seems like I barely start

20:58

creating like a tiny bit of ketones,

21:02

like at the end of my fast the

21:04

next day. And it seems to be so

21:06

small and sensitive that it seems to be

21:08

influenced. Like if I, so if I

21:11

were to take it around the same time, but I

21:13

had just like moved around a

21:15

lot and like not exercise, but like night

21:17

is when I typically am wearing like weights

21:20

and like, I mean, my whole circadian rhythms backwards,

21:22

but I'll be like, unloading groceries and

21:24

like I'll have on weights. Like if I were

21:26

to do all of that and then do the

21:28

tone device, it's like zero ketones. But

21:30

if I am like laying in my sauna for

21:33

30 minutes or so, and then I

21:35

do it, that's when I'll register. And I'm like,

21:37

Oh, seems that for me being so

21:39

like close on the edge, I have to

21:41

really be like in a sedentary

21:43

state where I'm more easily slipping

21:45

into fat burning mode, if that makes

21:48

sense. Yeah. I mean, so what I've

21:50

noticed with exercise is that usually if

21:52

I take it right

21:54

after exercise or during it's

21:56

lower. And I

21:59

think your body is just like taking up

22:02

all the ketones and using them and then

22:05

like there's a delay and then

22:07

a few hours later they're higher.

22:10

So it's like during the exercise usually

22:12

there's a dip during it and right

22:14

after there's a dip and

22:17

then afterwards it goes you get a

22:19

bump afterwards because you're burning fat and

22:21

your body's like getting more into ketosis

22:23

from that but sometimes like it depends

22:25

if you're fasted or not

22:27

like if you

22:30

were fasted and moving around

22:32

and then doing it it might be different as

22:35

well. So for you I had suggested that you read

22:38

in the morning when you wake up and

22:40

then keep testing up

22:42

until you eat. I

22:44

should do that I'm pretty sure it's going to be zero.

22:47

It might be because you do eat high

22:49

carb you might show some ketones like right

22:51

before you open your eating window. That's when

22:53

I've been testing like in the

22:55

evening right before I open. That's when you

22:58

sooner. Yeah that's what I

23:00

expected I thought you would probably see like low

23:03

to nothing in the morning when you wake up and

23:05

then right before you you know

23:08

go into your first meal opening

23:10

your eating window because that's what I see

23:12

like for myself too and I

23:15

eat more carbs than I used to but I

23:17

definitely still am like low carb and usually in

23:20

the morning it's pretty low like zero

23:23

to two three four and

23:25

then if I fast until dinner

23:28

if it fasts until like evening time I

23:31

usually see ketones like mid-afternoon to evening

23:33

and you

23:35

know then it'd be like four three six seven

23:38

eight kind of nine ten around

23:40

that just depends sometimes

23:42

it'll be higher and that's you

23:44

know correlating to like point five point six

23:46

point seven point eight nine to one point

23:49

zero and then if I did

23:51

a facet exercise in the morning or if I'm moving around

23:53

a lot it can be

23:55

higher it depends so that's really cool.

23:58

I bet if I were to measure I

24:00

can measure it right now. I'm sure it would be zero. The

24:03

highest it's gotten is like three. What

24:05

was interesting was I was measuring a little bit

24:07

of ketones every night and then I

24:10

had a night where I didn't have any carbs, but

24:12

I went like super high protein.

24:15

I measured the next night and it was actually zero. I

24:17

was like, oh, that's interesting. Yeah, it can

24:19

do that with really high protein

24:21

for sure. But you totally

24:23

understand the mechanisms behind which

24:25

is great. Yeah, because basically

24:27

all of those amino acids

24:30

are ultimately the extra are converting

24:33

into what would

24:35

be like glucose in the body essentially.

24:37

And I bet like with the longer,

24:40

you know, if it's like a high bolus,

24:42

really high protein one meal a day type situation,

24:44

like that digestion time would be longer too.

24:46

So it's, I don't know that would be

24:48

like a slow drip of glucose into your stream,

24:50

but I bet it, you know, would last

24:52

longer. That's what I'm imagining. Yeah. Then

24:55

how fast you would take up carbs,

24:57

for example, which would be processed relatively

24:59

fast. Yeah, it's yeah, it's lost

25:01

a long time. Yeah.

25:03

So, oh, the other

25:05

question is, it said in the instructions, like

25:09

don't breathe in

25:11

before the measure. So

25:14

it should be a strong vigorous blow,

25:16

like as if you were blowing up

25:18

a balloon. You know, if you're inflating

25:20

a balloon, it's like pretty strong. You

25:24

shouldn't go like, like,

25:26

and then breathe out. It's just more like a normal

25:28

breath. Like you don't take a deep breath as if

25:30

you're going to hold your breath, you know, those are

25:32

kind of like exaggerated breath, or

25:35

just like a normal breath that you would

25:37

just write before when it's counting down, you

25:40

just breathing normally. And then because sometimes

25:43

people will like overly taken too much

25:45

of a breath, and then they'll see,

25:48

you know, the numbers will be affected by that.

25:50

But what's really interesting, like the acetone is at

25:53

the bottom of the lungs. So

25:56

that's why you don't want to take in like too deep of

25:58

a breath. But if you

26:00

take a reading and then

26:02

you take a reading a minute later,

26:05

every single time it'll be lower because you've

26:07

just breathed out some of

26:09

the acetone and so there's

26:11

less there. Like so that's why we

26:13

always just say to like wait, you know,

26:15

a while before you do the next one. Because if you

26:17

do a test every minute, for like 10 minutes, it's just

26:19

going to go down, down, down, down. That

26:22

is interesting. Okay. That makes

26:24

sense about the breath. I thought that's what you were saying, but then I

26:26

started over analyzing. And

26:28

I was like, I don't know how to like not breathe in right before

26:30

the. Yeah, it's

26:32

been like a journey. But like people,

26:34

you know, it's hard to explain. Like

26:36

I really, I have some videos out

26:39

there and I really should send

26:41

them out every time people order

26:43

one because like people will send me

26:45

videos sometimes and like some people will just like

26:47

there was one person who sent me a video

26:50

and they just went like and stopped.

26:52

Like it was just like the tiniest breath. And I was

26:55

like, no, you have to hold, breathe the whole, like when

26:57

it starts beeping, you breathe the

26:59

whole time, like exhale the entire

27:01

time until the beep stops. And

27:04

then you see the number, which is, you know, on

27:06

the screen, it says blow. Like

27:08

it keeps saying blow. Oh,

27:11

it says blow. Yeah.

27:13

But you can't see it, right? Well,

27:16

I'm getting flashbacks right now because I'm like holding up

27:18

to my mouth and trying to see into the mirror.

27:20

Wasn't there a little thing we have when we were

27:22

little where you would like look

27:24

into it and it had mirrors in it and it

27:26

would let you see like behind you or something? Am

27:28

I making that up? Do you remember that? Hmm. It's

27:31

like sounds familiar. But like we would make

27:34

it, we would make it with like

27:36

a cardboard box. I

27:39

remember something like that for looking at the eclipse. Oh,

27:42

yes, which speaking of which speaking of I

27:44

was going to ask you about that. Is

27:46

it going over Prague next week?

27:48

Oh, I got to look out for that. It

27:51

depends on the time. Like it's in

27:53

the middle of the night here. Oh, yeah, you're

27:55

right. I think it's probably just in the

27:57

US. I probably just

27:59

made a really. really like blonde statement

28:01

about, I don't really

28:03

know how it works. I'm going to make

28:06

one of those things for fun for nostalgia.

28:08

I know there's going to be a partial

28:10

eclipse that we can see here. And

28:12

so I just ordered on Amazon glasses,

28:15

but I realize it's going to be during

28:17

my gynecologist appointment. So I don't know if I'm

28:19

going to be like, listen, can we pause

28:21

this for a second? I

28:24

have to look at the eclipse.

28:26

I have to like, I

28:28

have to go right now. I'll be getting a pap

28:30

smear. I'll have like my glasses on my face. Like

28:32

I have to go right now. Yeah,

28:35

it's good for you. Good for you. Priorities.

28:39

I literally thought about almost rescheduling

28:41

that appointment for that purpose.

28:43

Have you seen an eclipse? Not

28:45

recently, but I remember seeing a lot when I was

28:47

growing up and like making those boxes so that I

28:49

can see it. I'm

28:52

trying to remember about the boxes. Yeah. I'm

28:55

going to make one with Luca for

28:57

next week. It's in our time zone. It

28:59

doesn't use, does it use mirrors? Yeah, I think

29:01

there's mirrors inside and it's like a long, it's

29:03

like a long, like L shape. Oh

29:05

wow. And it's okay to look at the mirror. So

29:07

yeah, I guess you can look at the reflection of

29:10

it through the mirror, but you can't look at it

29:12

directly, which has always

29:14

found so weird that there's this

29:16

giant ball of fire in

29:18

our sky. We can't look at it. It's so

29:21

weird. Oh, that's a, that

29:23

is a very weird concept. Yeah.

29:26

It's like, it hurt your eyes. There's like a whole group

29:28

of people that do, I'm not, I probably shouldn't say this

29:30

because I don't want to encourage it, but there's like a

29:32

group of people that look at the sun every day. I

29:34

was just going to bring it up and then I was

29:36

like, where do you want another? I

29:40

also don't want, like, I don't want impressionable

29:42

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29:45

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sure about that. I'm not

33:37

sure. Oh

33:39

my goodness.

33:41

Maybe yeah at sunrise it's just red light

33:43

you know if they do it I think

33:45

really early morning. Maybe that's

33:47

I have to look into it more

33:50

now that I know more about wavelengths and light and

33:52

stuff because I think I saw it like 10 years

33:54

ago or something. Okay one last solar

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phenomena thing. Wait,

34:01

okay, so going to the beach, did you

34:03

ever see the green flash? Have

34:06

you heard of it? I think so, but I had no idea what it

34:08

is. I think actually, oh, it's even in

34:10

Pirates of the Caribbean, they have a reference to it. Like,

34:13

the boat has to like, man, I haven't watched those movies

34:15

in forever. There's like something that only

34:17

happens during the green flash. So that

34:19

thing has haunted me since I was a child because we

34:21

used to always go to the beach growing up.

34:25

There was even a restaurant called the green flash. Unfortunately,

34:28

there's like this moment when

34:31

the sun dips below the

34:33

horizon. And if you are looking at

34:35

the exact right moment, there's

34:38

a green flash. I have

34:40

never seen this green flash. Maybe

34:42

you can look it up on YouTube or something. Oh,

34:45

yeah. Yeah, probably I

34:47

should look it up now that there's more. I

34:49

wonder if you can even capture it might not

34:52

be captureable on. Yeah, it's a good point. Apparently,

34:54

it's like so fast. I don't know. Things

34:56

that haunt me. Yeah. So

34:58

how can people get your tone device? Thank

35:01

you. Thank you for, you know, testing with

35:03

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35:05

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35:07

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35:26

ketones on your breath.

35:28

It's very, very sensitive. So even if

35:30

you are doing the high carb, if you're doing

35:32

enough fasting, you can usually

35:34

register some ketones. Yeah, it's fun

35:36

to try different things, different eating

35:39

windows, different lengths of fast,

35:41

which actually we have a question about today.

35:44

If we will be answering that one. I'm

35:46

not sure either on today or next episode,

35:48

but yeah, you can check it out at

35:50

ketogenicgirl.com. Thanks for asking. Thanks for trying. You're

35:53

welcome. Curved ball. I

35:55

did it while you were talking. I

35:57

muted my, do you know what I said?

36:00

the highest ketones I've had. That doesn't make

36:02

any sense. Whoa, I

36:04

have to think about this. It said eight.

36:06

Okay. And it's like

36:09

2pm for you. Yes. 151.

36:11

And you're fasted. Yes, but

36:14

I eat late. So

36:16

we haven't been

36:18

fasted that long. And every

36:20

time I take it way

36:22

later, tonight, it's

36:25

been lower. I've never received

36:27

an eight. I think it's reasonable

36:29

for you to get in like a 0.8 millimolar

36:31

if you're in a fasted state. And it's 8.

36:33

It was eight. That's 0.8 millimolar.

36:37

Oh, they're all point other point. Okay, gotcha.

36:39

I have 8.0 millimolar. Okay, so it

36:44

goes up to so what's the range? The

36:47

range is zero to 99. So basically 99. Zero to 0.99. So zero to

36:53

99. So if you see a 99 on

36:55

there, like that would be equivalent

36:58

to 9.9 millimolar. So

37:02

you just add 10. So this

37:05

said light fat burning. That's 0.8.

37:07

Yeah, so I usually

37:09

consider light fat burning to

37:11

be around like 0.4, 0.5,

37:14

up to one millimolar

37:16

ketone. And then above,

37:19

like, so above 1.0 or above 10 on the

37:22

tone device, usually in a

37:24

fat burning state. So but

37:27

that makes sense for me mid

37:30

afternoon fasted to have

37:32

0.8 millimolar ketones. It's just

37:34

weird because later

37:36

into my fast, like I said, it's

37:38

always much lower. It's like zero, it

37:41

might be higher today, like depending on

37:43

sometimes it depends on what you ate

37:45

the day before on what you and I

37:48

know you're pretty consistent with what you eat,

37:50

but it can depend on your activity levels

37:52

on your sleep. So I would

37:54

test test again later, like

37:56

right before you break your

37:59

fast and Yeah, tex

38:01

me the number let me know what it shows,

38:03

but it probably will be eight or higher. If

38:06

that for is so I'm going to

38:08

make a prediction. To. Seek

38:10

as a so. Similarly,

38:14

And I've been taking so many measurements, I'm

38:16

going. To predict it's gonna be what I

38:18

normally say that's gonna be back to like

38:20

zero. Or point One. Point Zero point Three

38:23

Tonight. Okay let me know.

38:25

I well remember thinking effect

38:27

it like brushing your teeth

38:29

things you drains. So depending

38:31

on when you get things

38:33

in your environment sometimes like

38:35

if there's cleaning products that

38:37

can affect it's alcohol definitely

38:39

is like said but I

38:41

know you're really consistent with

38:43

your. Like. Routines and things.

38:45

but I always. Say like the most

38:48

accurate measurement is the one right after you

38:50

wake up. Because you've been in the

38:52

fast seed. And. Then before

38:54

brushing your teeth, His

38:56

habits that can can cause

38:58

a false positive and certain

39:00

brass gases from different things

39:02

that you eat him cause

39:04

false positives. so. Oh

39:06

wait a minute. So.

39:09

It could be from like my mouth

39:11

was, but there's no alcohol in my

39:13

mouth bosses yeah it would. Sometimes it

39:15

doesn't matter, it's just the many flavors.

39:17

we've had that before with. It

39:21

shows like if you use mouthwash or call

39:23

it would show ninety nine. Usually it shows

39:25

like. The. Highest number, highest

39:27

possible number on there. And

39:30

then there's things like. Different.

39:32

Carbs can cause fermentation are

39:34

different. Foods. Can cause

39:37

fermentation. And that that's a sometimes those. Come.

39:40

Out as breath gases as it methane see

39:42

a tool that can also cause higher numbers

39:44

but up to me and it seems like

39:46

it makes sense for we're and the day

39:48

but as text and later and let me

39:51

know me though share and the next episode.

39:54

When. It ended up being i

39:56

will such a teaser. Oh

39:58

my goodness. Oh. Hey, quick

40:01

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43:23

okay fasting related

43:25

things we cannot not talk

43:27

about this new

43:30

intermittent fasting study that has

43:32

come out and we did get a question about

43:34

it which was good because it's always nice to

43:36

frame it in light of a listener. I'm so

43:38

glad I saw it on on the

43:40

agenda. Yes I just can't even with

43:42

this study. Vanessa would you like

43:45

to read the question from Anna?

43:47

Yes so Anna sent

43:49

us a question and she says

43:52

subject is double risk of heart

43:54

disease question mark hi I've

43:57

been fasting for a few years and when I got

43:59

started I listened through your entire

44:01

back catalog of episodes. One

44:04

or two years later, I listened through all of

44:06

your episodes again. So thank you.

44:08

I learned a lot from you. Today,

44:10

I heard on the BBC News that intermittent

44:12

fasting with an eight-hour window could

44:15

double the risk of cardiovascular disease. They

44:17

talk about it at 6.50 minutes

44:20

here with a link to

44:22

the clip. And here

44:24

is the article that they are referring to,

44:27

which is a Times UK article. I'd

44:29

be interested in hearing what you have to

44:31

say about the original research article. I've gotten

44:33

my boyfriend on the intermittent fasting bandwagon, and

44:36

he has 58 and has heart disease in

44:38

his family, although he is slim and healthy.

44:41

As you can understand, I got a little worried

44:43

when I heard the news. If you discuss it

44:46

on your show, I'd be grateful. Kind regards, Anna.

44:49

And then, yeah, we have some

44:51

links here. Yeah, we'll put some

44:54

links in the show notes. We'll put the

44:56

links that Anna sent. We also have a

44:58

link about Dr. Jason Fung's analysis. I tried

45:00

to read all of what he wrote,

45:02

but it was behind a paywall, so I couldn't read all

45:04

of it. I even signed up for Medium,

45:06

and then it was like, now you also pay

45:08

for an account. I was like,

45:10

okay. I know. I was like, okay, well... And

45:14

then we'll put a link to

45:16

some U.S. news things about

45:18

it. So what this is referring

45:20

to, this was all over the

45:23

news. It's like these types

45:25

of situations where I do wish we released

45:27

right after so that we could talk

45:29

about it right in the moment that it's happening. But

45:32

it's based on a presentation that was

45:34

made, I think, in Chicago. There's only

45:36

the abstract available, so we'll put a

45:38

link to that in the show notes.

45:41

It's published in the American

45:43

Heart Association's Epidemiology Prevention

45:45

Lifestyle and Cardiometabolic Health

45:47

Journal. And

45:50

the title is Association

45:52

Between Time-Restricted Eating and All

45:54

Cause and Cause-Specific Mortality. I

45:56

just, I mean, I read a lot of studies. I don't...

45:59

I do not... recall the last

46:01

time I read a study that

46:04

it feels like a joke the

46:07

way it was set up. It's a

46:09

circle. It's laughable. I don't even

46:11

know. Like, I don't even know. I

46:14

was like, is this April Fool's?

46:16

Yeah. And that was the title of Dr.

46:18

Justin Fung's article. He's like, do they actually

46:20

think we are this dumb? And

46:23

so I know there's like a lot of lead-ups, like what

46:25

they did. But I'm like, but what is the purpose? Like,

46:28

it's so poorly constructed that I'm like,

46:30

what is like, is there like a

46:33

nefarious agenda here to like take down

46:35

intermittent fasting? I don't know for sure.

46:37

I just don't understand. So

46:39

okay, so listeners, let me tell you how they

46:43

set this up. And I'll just let you do

46:45

your own thinking on it for a little bit.

46:47

So again, we don't have the full, that's like

46:49

the first red flag is we don't even have

46:51

the full thing. So

46:54

all we can read is the abstract. And I don't

46:56

just mean me like behind paywalls, like it's not published.

46:58

So all there is is the abstract. So

47:02

basically what they did was they

47:04

had how many

47:06

people was it 20,078 adults followed for let's see

47:08

how many years from 2003

47:17

to 2018. So 15 years. And then and they checked mortality

47:19

status in December of 2019 to

47:29

make their conclusions about, you know, how

47:31

the people were eating and if

47:34

they how they died, if they

47:36

died, the way they decided what these people

47:38

were eating for 15 years

47:40

was twice they

47:46

asked them on two different occasions,

47:49

what they ate for the past 24 hours. And

47:53

then they average that together

47:55

and decided that's how these

47:57

people ate. 15

48:00

years. I'm just gonna let that sink

48:03

in for a second. So

48:05

imagine, dear friends, in

48:08

the past 15 years, that

48:10

somebody came up to you at two different times

48:13

and asked you, What did you eat for the

48:15

last 24 hours? And you told them, and

48:18

then they counted up how many hours you ate

48:20

the day before. And then they added together those

48:22

two days. And then they decided that for 15

48:24

years, that's how you ate. I

48:28

liked it. It's just unreal.

48:30

I can't even I mean, this is like not

48:32

even this is like something that my two year

48:35

old would say or

48:37

do as like a you know, as like

48:40

a silly game or something. Like

48:42

it just doesn't make any sense that

48:45

this is supposed to be serious science.

48:47

It's like not even worth reading the

48:49

conclusions. It's I mean, I will know

48:51

I agree. Like, well, how, how why

48:53

should we give any weight to something

48:56

that is so preposterous? And that's

48:58

what I'm saying. Like, it's like a toddler,

49:00

it's like toddler level science. Like I

49:03

just am completely baffled

49:06

by it. And it's crazy that they

49:08

can take that. And then they

49:10

can make that into an international news

49:12

story that is presented by all the

49:14

top, you know, sort of media

49:17

that people give a

49:19

lot of, you know, like serious

49:22

weight to like people listen to

49:24

the BBC, and all these different news

49:26

outlets, because they think that they're reporting

49:29

on solid scientific facts. So Dr. Peter T, and

49:32

I know you saw a kid's

49:34

response, but the key, he

49:36

had an amazing response to it. And,

49:38

you know, he's basically

49:40

saying that like, how are we supposed

49:42

to even have to find

49:45

his actual quote, because it was so good. I'm

49:48

always here for a Peter quote. Yes. So

49:50

my I was telling you, my mom had just finally

49:52

started doing intermittent fasting. And

49:54

she's doing it with my dad. And

49:57

we were visiting them in Spain. And

49:59

then the article I finally got

50:01

her, you know, she

50:04

finally started doing this. He

50:08

basically said that the

50:11

analysis was done under the very

50:13

weak assumption that the completion of

50:15

two food recall surveys was sufficient

50:18

data to represent participants' normal

50:20

eating patterns, both eating duration

50:22

and total energy intake for

50:25

the next eight years. He

50:28

said that it's unfortunate that

50:30

results such as these are being used

50:32

to scare people away from time-restricted eating,

50:34

which is a proven way to reduce

50:36

energy intake and lose weight, aside

50:39

from all the other incredible benefits, you

50:42

know, that we've noticed on metabolic

50:44

health. I'm adding that in. He

50:46

says previous research has already supported

50:48

the notion that how many calories

50:50

you eat matters more than

50:52

when you eat them. This is

50:54

yet another nutritional study that affirms

50:56

my disappointment in the field, not

50:58

because the topic is unworthy of

51:00

research, but because of

51:02

the willingness to draw sensational conclusions

51:05

from flawed data. I

51:08

was like, yeah, resounding

51:11

applause and innovation there because

51:14

it's exactly, you know, exactly

51:16

representing my feelings. I

51:19

was like, yes, I'm representing BS. Science is

51:21

the lowest of the low to me. Although

51:25

there was a study that came

51:27

out a month ago, I think, in the

51:29

Washington Post wrote about

51:31

how pasta is really

51:33

good for your health. It turns out it

51:35

was sponsored by Bertoli pasta or

51:37

something like that, which

51:40

is basically worse than

51:42

an ad because you're presenting a paid

51:44

ad as a scientific study and you're

51:49

not disclosing that. So

51:51

people are getting that information and will

51:54

believe it because they think

51:56

that Washington Post is a credible news

51:59

outlet. But the more and more people I think are

52:01

starting to see through some of this,

52:03

the more and more people are going to the actual studies

52:06

and seeing what it is, because it takes two

52:08

seconds. Like when my mom asked me about it,

52:10

I told her, and she was

52:12

like, oh, that's total propaganda. Like, yeah.

52:17

So, but most people don't have the time

52:19

to go and

52:21

research that stuff. So it's very disappointing for

52:24

people like us or listeners

52:27

of this podcast, or

52:30

for Anne who wrote in, who

52:32

has serious concerns about these kinds

52:34

of things, and for good reason, and

52:37

is being misled by this kind

52:39

of sensationalism. Yeah, no, thank you

52:42

for all that and for reading that quote. And I'll

52:44

comment, because he said the eight years, and

52:46

I was saying 15. So basically to clarify

52:48

about that, it was like the data

52:50

inclusion period of everything was 2003 to

52:52

2018. They

52:55

got the two interviews, and then it was like

52:57

an eight year follow-up they were looking at. That's

52:59

the clarification there.

53:03

That's why I said one number, and he said a different number. But

53:06

what's interesting about it is, so

53:10

even, okay, a few little things. Even if it

53:13

was like they were actually following up

53:16

with the people regularly, so even if

53:18

we knew that that's actually how they

53:20

were eating kind of consistently, certain eating

53:22

windows, which by the way, side note, a

53:24

lot of people don't follow

53:26

the same, even if they're doing intermittent

53:28

fasting, don't follow it consistently for that

53:31

amount of time with the same windows. It

53:34

just literally is not real life. But

53:37

even if it was, even if these people were following

53:39

that same window and

53:41

that data was correct, which is

53:44

probably not, even then, it

53:46

would be causation correlation. And

53:49

what I find interesting about that, what I could read,

53:51

a lot of people are talking about this,

53:53

but they're not actually, because I was trying to read all

53:56

the different news articles on it where people were talking about

53:58

it. And a lot of people who are. deconstructing

54:00

it, are talking about

54:03

other things about why it might be flawed, like

54:05

the causation correlation, like the beginning of what I

54:07

could read from Dr. Jason Fong, he was talking

54:09

about the causation correlation. But I just think going

54:12

back full stop, this art, it's just so poorly

54:14

set up that that doesn't even matter. It's just

54:16

not even testing anything as my

54:18

thought, like not even. That's

54:21

the thing. So like you met you talked about,

54:23

you know, the setup of it, we talked about

54:25

that and how poor that was. But taking

54:28

that aside, the suggestion that

54:31

containing your

54:33

eating to like

54:36

restricting your eating window every day

54:38

and basically not snacking would

54:41

be bad for you. Even just

54:43

that alone. It's like, like

54:45

humans are not meant to be eating

54:48

perpetually while we're awake.

54:50

And it doesn't take a lot of,

54:53

you know, even just basic

54:55

logic to understand that if

54:57

you don't snack

54:59

and you are eating for

55:02

less time during the day, that that's going to be

55:04

good for you. You're going to have digestive rest. You're

55:06

going to give your body a chance to

55:08

use up the energy that you're consuming and

55:10

you're not going to overeat. Like it's just

55:13

very basic principles of

55:15

I think wellness and health and to

55:18

suggest that doing that.

55:20

It's like if a study came out

55:22

saying that people who exercise more were

55:25

likely to die earlier, like it just

55:27

doesn't, it doesn't add up. Like even

55:30

the suggestion of it doesn't add up.

55:32

So there's like multiple aspects of it

55:34

that are totally nonsensical. It's

55:37

I know, I will read the conclusion

55:39

because so what they concluded, because I

55:41

guess we haven't actually even said what

55:43

they concluded. They concluded that people who are

55:45

doing time restricted eating with eating

55:47

durations of less than eight hours were

55:50

significantly associated with a higher risk

55:52

of cardiovascular mortality in the general

55:54

population as well as in people

55:57

with cardiovascular disease or cancer. do

56:00

not support long-term use of 16-8

56:02

time-restricted eating for preventing cardiovascular death.

56:04

And to recap, this is based

56:06

on asking people on two different

56:09

days what they ate the day

56:11

before, averaging that

56:13

together and applying that to

56:16

like basically a 15-year span, which

56:18

is ridiculous. I mean,

56:20

you know, when Dr. Sachin Penda first did,

56:23

you know, these studies on time-restricted eating, which

56:25

made it what it is today, you know,

56:28

they found incredible results. Like they found

56:30

results where you could basically eat the

56:32

same amount in two different groups and

56:35

you could have people just contain

56:37

their eating window. Like they would

56:40

have these super obese metabolically dysregulated

56:42

mice or rodents and

56:44

that they could eat the same amount

56:47

of calories, just condensing their eating window.

56:50

And they had all these metabolic health

56:52

improvements and metabolic health is

56:54

highly connected to our cardiovascular

56:56

health. So those studies were

56:58

so astonishing and amazing, they

57:00

were repeated and tested over

57:03

and over again all over the world

57:05

at different universities, different labs, because

57:08

they were astonishing. And so, you know,

57:10

to suggest that all of that is

57:13

not tested and not proven, also,

57:16

I think, you know, it's quite a claim

57:18

to be making. Even if you, so Dr.

57:20

Jason Fung was saying, like the only way

57:22

to prove causation is

57:25

to do randomized controlled studies. And

57:28

we know that like placebo controlled RCTs

57:30

are the gold standard. So you would have

57:33

to put, you know, people

57:35

into randomized controlled

57:37

trials. You'd have to put people

57:39

randomly into two different groups where

57:41

people basically ate all

57:44

day and another

57:46

group ate within an eight

57:49

hour window and

57:51

then show that over

57:53

time, the group that was

57:55

eating all day long had

57:58

better cardiovascular health. to

58:00

the group that was containing their eating to eight

58:03

hours. You would have to do that kind

58:05

of a study in order to prove it. I

58:09

would not put my money on

58:11

that being the outcome to say

58:13

the least. It's

58:17

just sad when this happens because it seems like a

58:20

few times a year, even

58:22

more than that, actually your former co-host, Jen and

58:24

I were talking about this on my podcast a

58:26

couple of months ago. She

58:30

was saying that she constantly has

58:32

to do damage control in her group because

58:34

one of these sensationalized headlines will come out

58:37

and people really get scared and

58:39

upset, especially because you start hearing from

58:41

your colleagues and your neighbors and everyone

58:43

who knows that you do intermittent fasting.

58:45

Did you hear about this? I

58:48

mean, she said she just

58:50

concludes it's clickbait. It's a way

58:52

to get people to click on

58:55

the articles, to read things, it's

58:57

to sensationalize things and it's

58:59

sad and disappointing that we

59:02

live in this kind of time where

59:04

this kind of sensationalism is happening. I

59:07

can't agree more. We

59:11

know that dietary recall studies are pretty

59:14

not valid data anyways, but

59:17

I would almost think this would still be a really

59:19

poorly set up study, but I would think it would

59:21

even be better rather than ask people on

59:23

two random days what they ate the

59:26

day before, average it together, assume

59:28

that's the way they eat perpetually, which

59:30

is just ridiculous. I would

59:32

rather ask the people, how do

59:34

you feel like you normally eat out

59:37

of these different options of

59:39

fasting? I feel like that would even give a better,

59:41

and that would be awful

59:44

too. That would not be a good setup, but that

59:46

would be better than just picking two random days because

59:49

you could pick any two random days in your life

59:51

and it's not necessarily

59:53

reflective of how you eat normally.

59:57

And goodness knows not for years and years and

59:59

years. Why are they assuming for

1:00:01

eight years that the people didn't change their eating window?

1:00:03

Where is that assumption? Yeah, I

1:00:05

mean that's another good point. Like

1:00:08

do they think these people? Didn't

1:00:10

make any changes. So

1:00:12

yeah, but not to get conspiratorial, but I

1:00:14

just don't know I mean these

1:00:16

researchers are smart I want to be in

1:00:18

that room when they set up this study like

1:00:21

who greenlit that who said that this actually makes

1:00:23

sense So one story I

1:00:25

can share So several years

1:00:27

ago when keto was

1:00:30

becoming extremely popular There

1:00:32

were these headlines that would come out, you know again

1:00:34

very similar to this a few times a year and

1:00:38

It was like it was always Really

1:00:41

hard to understand why would these sort of like hit

1:00:43

pieces come out? and so there

1:00:45

was this one that came out on keto

1:00:47

and It was published

1:00:49

in like 16 different News

1:00:53

outlets and it was this article

1:00:55

about how if you do keto You're

1:00:58

going to get something called keto

1:01:01

crotch which

1:01:03

is apparently You're

1:01:05

going to start giving off like a

1:01:07

certain odor and your co-workers

1:01:10

and your friends Are

1:01:12

going to notice it and

1:01:14

it was like it was so long ago It's hard

1:01:16

to remember like all the details of it but

1:01:19

it was actually a PR

1:01:21

firm that wrote created this article

1:01:23

and they created this article because

1:01:25

weight watchers was one of their

1:01:27

clients and They did not

1:01:30

want people to be doing keto

1:01:33

so Headlines like

1:01:36

I don't think that they were referencing a study in

1:01:38

this case But some of

1:01:40

these big like hit pieces they actually

1:01:42

are engineered From people who

1:01:44

don't want people to be

1:01:46

doing these diets or doing these lifestyles

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and it sounds Conspiratory,

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right like like could it

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really be that they're doing this and

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I'm not sure if that's the case with this one But

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I definitely know that some of the

1:02:01

headlines we see are being put out

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intentionally to mislead people. It's like a

1:02:05

form of not misinformation

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but disinformation. Like it's

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intentionally deceptive

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and it's to make

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people stay away from these

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types of lifestyles and approaches

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that make them healthier and not

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need to depend on other products

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and services. I have

1:02:27

seen some really interesting research come out of

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China so it's hard to say. I

1:02:32

have seen some really interesting research

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like on brass hasotone and

1:02:37

I don't know if that's a fact or

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not but to me it's interesting

1:02:41

that it was just a presentation. So

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the fact that all these

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news outlets are making this a headline without

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it even being a published study I think

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is also a really big thing that

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should make people question what

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they're saying. It

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really is disheartening because you would

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think that the media outlets would

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only publish really

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valid peer reviewed studies,

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studies that have been through that

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review process where they're critiqued by

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their peers etc. I

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was actually surprised that because

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I was looking at the headlines and again because

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it is so poorly set up I was surprised

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that nobody took a sensationalized approach with

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the headline to be like do people

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realize how crazy this is. The

1:03:32

New York Times article was pretty good though. It

1:03:35

deconstructed it this way. So

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yes, so we'll put links to this in the

1:03:39

show notes so people can form their own opinions

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but I think this was really really helpful and

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valid information to share and I

1:03:46

hope people can just keep

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an open eye, keep a disheartening look when

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you're reading the headlines about anything,

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intermittent fasting, anything health related and go

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and look at what

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it's based on and what's actually.

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behind all of it. So, well,

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had so much fun talking about

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this crazy study,

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