Pat is joined by actor, producer, writer and all-around legend Emma O'Sullivan to talk about the lockdown, becoming your own boss and the power of juggling for mental health!

Intro music is Things can only get better by Dream off On Vol.1 2005 New State Music. News clips, ABC, Channel 7, DW World News and MSNBC all from the 6 August. Other Music: Hawaii 50 Theme mort stevens and his orchestra of the TV soundtrack 2010. Les Mis movie 2012 Universal. Unravel podcast ABC Australia 2018. Austin Powers 1997 New Line Cinema.  Modern Jazz Samba Kevin McLoud incompetec groovy 2016 all used in conjunction with our APRA AMCOS mini licence. The isocost is created, presented edited and produced by me Patrick Cullen and ginger snap productions you can get in touch at [email protected]