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regret your mom there are really glad to have this guy
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back entrepreneur he's an author friend who book
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is called nation victims it's vague ram
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islam is have a good to see again
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the fear your your i was what float
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around but megyn kelly's a good friend of my she'd been
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a microbe on her show your honor so there
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you are than of turn on fox there's effects
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i turn on some other network their you either you
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are newsmax as well i'm glad that people
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are understanding how much they really
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are wisdom you have when it comes to the
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situation where facing in this nation today
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it's causal outed by big tech cause a
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lot of of by big media and for some
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reason people have been convinced that
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instead of point of view boots fact that the straps like you
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and i did a getting three or four jobs
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and striving to achieve what we want to achieve
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they all sort of coddling the corner and they
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aren't they really believe that their victims is
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is that really the crux of what we're talking about the
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book that people are are very quick
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these days to consider themselves
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victims and therefore not do anything about
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that is the crux of the problem
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i address in the book will be new national
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identity i'll go so far as to call it a new national
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identity joke built around
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victimhood seen ourselves as victims
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black victims white victims second
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generation a cinema
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the victims i see that even in indian american
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community bros but the call fraction
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the book is to revive a new national identity
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based on the shared pursuit of excellence
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that's actually why immigrants come it's country it
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islamic has given this country it used
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to be america's national identity i still
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think it can be yet again and
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important part about it is that what does things i do
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for the middle part of the book is a truce
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a lot of history american history all without
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to the reconstruction era the civil war even
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roman history it could encourage
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you when you take a look and a walk through history
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because
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the real i do this isn't the first time even
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our culture as a country
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elodie the other great cultures like roman
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the woman about have gone through similar bows
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so to notice any american experiment get
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it over
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added we have a major problem we did a seat with clear
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eyes i think his victim of culture is a cancer
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on a national salt
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but i also think that history teaches us that we
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may find our way out if we make the right choices
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that's part of what i lay out the book regular visitors the
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a good movie the book is i nation the victim's identity
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politics the death of merits and
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the path back to excellence from for vague aromas
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mommy going get this right now i'd actually
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out today which is awesome so
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let me just piggybacking what you said my grandfather
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team on a boat to come weeks and weeks to get him
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from italy or my great grandparents on the other
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side came over on boats as well and
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they always seeking a better life will have two million
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people potentially in twelve months
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break across the border illegally to
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get to this great land and we have people
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sitting in the land who are taking
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for granted the fact that were born here and
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the greatest land of the planet maybe ever in history
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and they're just not taking advantage of it and
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i want to use one quick example i love your your comment
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on this queen elizabeth passed away immediately
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people took to social media maybe try to get social
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media cloud to say that they were victimized
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by her their ancestors were victimized
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by earth like a horrible this person was a british
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empire minutes is exactly what you're talking
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about instead of seeing the
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good vaccines it a bringing for her way
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which is seventy years much better
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than when was the british empire certainly am
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wanna beat her down of it's use guns is
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it for social cloud is it for noticed
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me or is it really did they feel as though
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queen elizabeth somehow victimize them
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i think it's mostly the former but they convinced
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themselves that it's the latter and the irony
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is you're gonna hear from people who actually we're not victimized
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by her at all
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the irony here is is actually the
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incumbents the end up thinking
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of themselves most of the victims and i'll walk you through the
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south a little but first you begin
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fascination whereas a company or individual
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whatever it may be as an insurgent you
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have all of the energy and power of an
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underdog them you achieve success
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then you become an incumbent the incumbency
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breeds laziness it bleeds slaw
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it breeds entitlement and one of the things i
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described in the book is the victimhood actually
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fits laziness like a glove
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and mean by that is we see that even in the modern
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work culture in the united states have a
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lot of people just don't want to work after the pandemic is
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doreen forward among others led the antiwar
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movement as rate resignation
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that interfere with want to work
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didn't just say that we would actually lifestyle
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changes that resemble those of of genteel europe
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know said that this that about dismantling,
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the oppression of capitalism
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the colonialism of capitalism
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you had to wrap it around this grand
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nails of social justice
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that you achieving to really what
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is just naked self-interested lazy
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that book is called today
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asking about what you just said
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it is immediately that we jump
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on my brain was well, those in power like this
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they can victimize more people are make them fields
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other victims, even if they aren't then they can
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control them better we're going to
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be divided if i say you're not a victim,
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and you say you are a victim not friends and
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divide and conquer is very simple for those who are
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are in the ruling class has this been
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perpetrated by the ruling class or has
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it been accepted by those who are on the receiving at
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you, and i don't see each other as victims
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i can because i'm i'm italian, i can say, well in the orleans
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they a bunch of italians? i'm victim you
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can say picture of indian descent that the
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british empire did this that and the other to your people instead
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were successful people because we don't care
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what we want is to achieve our family
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so is it the ruling class making
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them feel like victims or those who
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feel like they're victims wanting to be in
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a position
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the iraqi great quest guess i saw the way i said
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is the takes two to tango in march first
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book looking was all about
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the cynical exploitation by
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the ruling class by the the titans
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of industry in the private sector by
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firms like black rock and leaders like larry fink
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who used cynically exploited this
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victim of culture to be able to sell and
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place more product what
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is it about the populace the general population
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because the to fall for the trick
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what is it about the national psyche sochaux
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nation of victims was in some ways the sequel to
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well good quote was about the top down
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problem design nickel exploitation by
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the merger of government leaders and and by
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the second leaders working together to
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accomplish their goals by using
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the general population as a vehicle to get there
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but the job others and comprises the consumables
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i will be frequently works for the
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other side of that to this put more focus
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on what's going on with the national psyche
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right now what's going on in the mindset of an entire
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generation what's the bathroom a purpose
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and meaning at the heart of our nation
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and our generation international sold
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wow this ruling class relief
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to ultimately pray and picketers insecurity
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that's more with this book is about which is the flipside
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of what my first mug logging was about summit
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that's a that's a sense in which is a sequel nation
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of victim's identity politics the death of married
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and a path back to excellence by the of a grandma
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swami really glad to have gone my friend so
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one of the lines that that i see in front of me as hardships
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is now acquainted with victimhood man
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bet that so having so deep for guys like
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you and me because when i hit
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hardship on a hidden a lot of i got
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another job i had a fourth job or if if
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job or i would work overnights and not sleep it
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off and hundred hours a week was nothing i
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now i don't have to do that because again i'm established
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myself same thing with you as a founder
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ceo of of several companies as a guy who's
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very successful so how do we
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get those who would equate an
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easier life who have
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to compare to our hardships that really
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made us go but like my kids have an
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easier life how do we keep them motivated how do we
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make them not fall into a victim mentality why
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don't i have as much as this person is why
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am i being treated as ways of my hair color how
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do we convince them that hardship is actually a pretty
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good thing a light because you could make
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you work harder and strive for what it is
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that you want
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the what i'd like to do and what i try to do to
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the book is to make that case however one
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of things i also play on the book disclose that in
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, we may not have a
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chance to educate them because hardship
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may return to do the job itself while
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and then one of the things one of these were missing right
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and i give so i was around
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his book at the time that actually gimmick commencement
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speech to my high school was invited me to do last
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year goes as a look at the i is is
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good acquaintances mezcal one of the high school senior
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in two thousand and three he was heavily about
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nine eleven to that defined my
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high school experience those of us history class
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and the time we saw this that second plane hit the twin
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towers or towers now i
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was given the address to the first graduating class
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without a single person in that audience
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was that born on the days those
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two planes hit the twin towers were
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in the middle of the largest intergenerational
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wealth transfer in human history from baby
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boomers to one of them are you an ira probably
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the receiving end of that personally break but but
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our generation millennials and younger really are
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and and i think that that raises
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a cultural circumstance where at
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the end of the day weekend we can preach we
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can forget books like i'm writing years
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but one of these oled the book as you can listen arguments but
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whether or not you do that's gonna create the very
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hardship then allows you to becomes a good
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as and will you are emoticon
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the possible market crash that could
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be exacerbated by tightening a federal reserve
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forces i want to kiss i think in the because it's economic
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crash in a market it's may be difficult it
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may ultimately fortifying for our culture
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because we will go up fifteen years of skiing on
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artificial snow printed by the federal reserve
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that such a covered up the kind of hardships that normally
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the check on any kind
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if there was a famous quote there's actually often
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attributed to the founder of dubai
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it is it sums up this mentality pretty
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neatly and i said it in the book wouldn't have
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to my grandfather wrote a camel my father
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wrote a camel i write a mercedes
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my son will write a land rover my grandson
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will write a land rover but my great grandson
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will ride a camel again yes
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because hard time it was what is
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it easy times create actually
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gg easy times create week men week
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men create a hard time yes so in
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some ways we can preach all we want job at
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the end of the day even if we even if we don't persuade
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the next generation of americans is using
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sounds of victimhood that document itself will
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create the hardship that hopefully creates
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a stronger generation on the back on it it may just be
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part of what the arc of history demands is a first
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book was woken keys a new york times bestselling
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author is rebecca ramaswamy get this book
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they should have victim's identity politics
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the death of merit and the path back to excellence
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want to talk specifically about merit meritocracy
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works very very well we can just
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use sports as an example sports
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teams won a when owners want to make a bunch of money
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they want fans in the seat they want to celebrate your merchandise
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you didn't do that if you suck so meritocracy
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makes sense you get the best players you can you
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get the little talented people you can surround yourself
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with them try your very best get the best
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education you can and then you move up in life
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there is a real push the they can you know this
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better than anybody in this country to
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take away the idea of meritocracy just don't
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talk about sports because they do they'll they'll be hypocrites
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when it comes to that but in life they want meritocracy
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to go because somehow and this is the left
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talking blacks and brown people
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can't do as well as whites therefore
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we must take away their incentive to try
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they are joe biden himself said you don't know how
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to vote if you don't vote for me he said you can't get
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an accountant or a lawyer if you're a black or hispanic
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and in a rural area he said blackstone
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how to get on the internet they said people in the
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left say people of color can't get
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photo ids so they're being told their whole
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lives that meritocracy to the married mary [unk]
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review doesn't work so let's go with equity
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which is called equity now everybody gets the same of everything
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and that disincentivize a human being
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from striving to achieve so
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can we reinforce in the younger generation
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you might be a millennial i'm generation x can
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we tell the newest generation you can
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achieve by doing your very
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best and from your very best and realizing
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your own talents because i feel like they're being told not
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to
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me too simple message that defined the national spirit
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of this country are you could achieve anything you
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ever want with your own hard work your
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own commitment and your own dedication
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that is the american dream up full stop
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now what we see right more was a full frontal
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assault on meritocracy
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itself
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not just nuts in a political context but
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as it
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mr for allocating rewards
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that the that system itself as systemically racist
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or whatever know of any of it's in
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the sentinel a book called the death of merit guess
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at it again i don't mean to be
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in overly doom and gloom about
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this job it's job it's that our
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arguments the arguments and eighty this book or
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persuasive but if you're not
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the thing that's going to persuade us is the actual
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net result that that yields
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in a great power struggle with china china
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is not allocating results ironically
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try to us with a male it's heritage is
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not allocating it's words or
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who gets into school who gets an engineering schools
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this a d i caught a system right based
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on who's most effective and likely to be effective
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as an engineer so that was the american
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culture of meritocracy and the pursuit of excellence
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have left oceans
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the lift appointed like china while
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the maoist victim a culture that defines
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changes know that actually come to instead
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the united states and so i
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, give another example the u penn medical school
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at the top medical school in the country recently
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said that for certain races given
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to the races supposition months races
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they will no longer require the m cast now
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you graduate from medical school the us
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emily which has the certification first episode
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of get back to the comments as the comments medical school they
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changed from a great it exam to pass fail
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again on considerations of equity
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was a bad as a reminder the i think
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he scores well guess what beginner top
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colleges over a four hundred point
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disparity between beat
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whether you're asian or whether you're
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it is only sixteen hundred scale exam it's
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hard
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even score below four hundred or
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even six hundred if you were trying right on the the
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for the point of this is a huge difference that
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attack on merit is going to give us a generation
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of engineers who are under prepared or
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generation of doctors were under prepared a
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generation of of leaders the military
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in leaders in the private sector cool under prepared
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so on are producing things less effectively i
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hope to god this doesn't happen but when people are
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when life expectancies appalachians
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don't want because the incompetence of people who unable to care
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for them when the bridges we designer or
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are falling faster than we otherwise would expected
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i'm not be mad about about this it's gonna be the net
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result that we see on display
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ultimately result in our rediscovery
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of the fact that actually you want meritocracy
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was pretty good model that work for for a couple centuries
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i urge you to give his book nation of victims
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it is by of a grimace while me one last question
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of a big every she designed today you're
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right about everything he just said clearly and
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hopefully people will get the book in an endpoint
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a resurgence in in their own independence
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of their own meritocracy it's those are complaining
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about people moving up because of talent
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or hard work or merit are people
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who generally speaking got those jobs because
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a meritocracy divisional guilty they
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feel badly the baby ended up on top
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and and their activity asians there now
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it's let's denigrate them their own and of blacks their
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let's pick them up or and make this equity
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claims against those who are making these
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claims of a vague you know this they
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all got there because of meritocracy
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wisely bad now
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i regret your the question joke is adding
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one zigzag the case make of the books that
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just for the pursuit of excellence is funny
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unapologetic pursuit of
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excellence mother's we live in a moment now
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of people are forced to apologise or feel
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compelled to apologize for
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their success accident he
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got out of my critique suppressing trump of but the thing
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the thing like of up once things i love my present
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from was a he was unapologetic it
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with respected his objectives unopposed and
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and i don't think that's a republican value it need not
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be republican value democratic values that
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an american values that we're going to win order to
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win unabashedly we're gonna win unapologetically
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another to unify a ,
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value without a white sell you said something
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that unifies us across the boundaries
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of identity and partisan politics beyond
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the basketball court or be out of an
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exam or be it is in a orchestra
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it was a blind auditions actually
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the the irony of describing blind auditions
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as racist or this or
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somebody makes it into north is from is and how will they play
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the violin and how well that sounds rather than
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how they look very different colored glasses
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systemically races because of a scenic the welcome
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supervisor this is
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actually what unifies us have see it allows
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us a colorblind weight and identity blindly
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even at a politically blind way to be
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able to reward those who are excellent at their toes
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pursuit that is what it means to
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be american
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a analyzing i have always my town
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in audience a little bit joe is that yeah
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we also got to look in the mirror i i think the black victim
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had cultures a major problem i talk about it in
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this book people told me you're not supposed to talk about that cause you're not
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block i don't believe in that i if i think we
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really care about lifting up black lives we better darn well
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talking about black victim and culture which is holding a lotta
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black lives now
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those worry that
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the response
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yeah no won't let them a call her all
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new conservative the different culture and
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at the end of the do get africa quickly
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victimhood olympics will eat compete
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for our status as status victim and what
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were owed in return at the end of the day
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someone can have to end the game by saying that you know what
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we all may have our grievances if we look
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back far enough the waca look
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far back or look for forward you have to
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be able be say
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share pursuit of excellence can be what unites us
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as the collapse in the book nation a victim's
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identity politics the death of merit in the past back
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to excellence with a gram his mom it's a vague
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thanks so much for come on i love having your own so much
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knowledge in these books are amazing obe yourself
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the government russia back to this narrator
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tougher
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you
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think we'll get there together equal housing
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