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Interview with Vivek Ramaswamy

Released Tuesday, 13th September 2022
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Interview with Vivek Ramaswamy

Interview with Vivek Ramaswamy

Interview with Vivek Ramaswamy

Interview with Vivek Ramaswamy

Tuesday, 13th September 2022
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business a lot of work i've

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got a great partner, has

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a

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huge help to us, inventory,

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manager, schedules, customizes orders

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plus all the regular banking stuff u.s

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bank of for u.s

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bank will get them together equal housing lender

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member fdic ac

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regret your mom there are really glad to have this guy

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back entrepreneur he's an author friend who book

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is called nation victims it's vague ram

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islam is have a good to see again

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the fear your your i was what float

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around but megyn kelly's a good friend of my she'd been

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a microbe on her show your honor so there

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you are than of turn on fox there's effects

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i turn on some other network their you either you

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are newsmax as well i'm glad that people

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are understanding how much they really

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are wisdom you have when it comes to the

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situation where facing in this nation today

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it's causal outed by big tech cause a

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lot of of by big media and for some

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reason people have been convinced that

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instead of point of view boots fact that the straps like you

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and i did a getting three or four jobs

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and striving to achieve what we want to achieve

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they all sort of coddling the corner and they

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aren't they really believe that their victims is

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is that really the crux of what we're talking about the

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book that people are are very quick

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these days to consider themselves

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victims and therefore not do anything about

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that is the crux of the problem

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i address in the book will be new national

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identity i'll go so far as to call it a new national

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identity joke built around

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victimhood seen ourselves as victims

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black victims white victims second

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generation a cinema

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the victims i see that even in indian american

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community bros but the call fraction

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the book is to revive a new national identity

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based on the shared pursuit of excellence

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that's actually why immigrants come it's country it

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islamic has given this country it used

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to be america's national identity i still

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think it can be yet again and

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important part about it is that what does things i do

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for the middle part of the book is a truce

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a lot of history american history all without

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to the reconstruction era the civil war even

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roman history it could encourage

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you when you take a look and a walk through history

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because

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the real i do this isn't the first time even

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our culture as a country

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elodie the other great cultures like roman

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the woman about have gone through similar bows

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so to notice any american experiment get

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it over

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added we have a major problem we did a seat with clear

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eyes i think his victim of culture is a cancer

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on a national salt

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but i also think that history teaches us that we

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may find our way out if we make the right choices

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that's part of what i lay out the book regular visitors the

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a good movie the book is i nation the victim's identity

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politics the death of merits and

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the path back to excellence from for vague aromas

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mommy going get this right now i'd actually

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out today which is awesome so

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let me just piggybacking what you said my grandfather

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team on a boat to come weeks and weeks to get him

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from italy or my great grandparents on the other

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side came over on boats as well and

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they always seeking a better life will have two million

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people potentially in twelve months

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break across the border illegally to

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get to this great land and we have people

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sitting in the land who are taking

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for granted the fact that were born here and

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the greatest land of the planet maybe ever in history

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and they're just not taking advantage of it and

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i want to use one quick example i love your your comment

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on this queen elizabeth passed away immediately

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people took to social media maybe try to get social

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media cloud to say that they were victimized

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by her their ancestors were victimized

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by earth like a horrible this person was a british

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empire minutes is exactly what you're talking

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about instead of seeing the

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good vaccines it a bringing for her way

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which is seventy years much better

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than when was the british empire certainly am

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wanna beat her down of it's use guns is

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it for social cloud is it for noticed

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me or is it really did they feel as though

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queen elizabeth somehow victimize them

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i think it's mostly the former but they convinced

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themselves that it's the latter and the irony

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is you're gonna hear from people who actually we're not victimized

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by her at all

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the irony here is is actually the

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incumbents the end up thinking

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of themselves most of the victims and i'll walk you through the

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south a little but first you begin

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fascination whereas a company or individual

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whatever it may be as an insurgent you

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have all of the energy and power of an

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underdog them you achieve success

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then you become an incumbent the incumbency

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breeds laziness it bleeds slaw

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it breeds entitlement and one of the things i

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described in the book is the victimhood actually

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fits laziness like a glove

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and mean by that is we see that even in the modern

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work culture in the united states have a

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lot of people just don't want to work after the pandemic is

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doreen forward among others led the antiwar

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movement as rate resignation

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that interfere with want to work

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didn't just say that we would actually lifestyle

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changes that resemble those of of genteel europe

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know said that this that about dismantling,

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the oppression of capitalism

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the colonialism of capitalism

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you had to wrap it around this grand

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nails of social justice

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that you achieving to really what

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is just naked self-interested lazy

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that book is called today

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asking about what you just said

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it is immediately that we jump

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on my brain was well, those in power like this

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they can victimize more people are make them fields

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other victims, even if they aren't then they can

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control them better we're going to

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be divided if i say you're not a victim,

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and you say you are a victim not friends and

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divide and conquer is very simple for those who are

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are in the ruling class has this been

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perpetrated by the ruling class or has

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it been accepted by those who are on the receiving at

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you, and i don't see each other as victims

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i can because i'm i'm italian, i can say, well in the orleans

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they a bunch of italians? i'm victim you

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can say picture of indian descent that the

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british empire did this that and the other to your people instead

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were successful people because we don't care

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what we want is to achieve our family

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so is it the ruling class making

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them feel like victims or those who

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feel like they're victims wanting to be in

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a position

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the iraqi great quest guess i saw the way i said

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is the takes two to tango in march first

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book looking was all about

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the cynical exploitation by

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the ruling class by the the titans

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of industry in the private sector by

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firms like black rock and leaders like larry fink

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who used cynically exploited this

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victim of culture to be able to sell and

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place more product what

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is it about the populace the general population

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because the to fall for the trick

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what is it about the national psyche sochaux

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nation of victims was in some ways the sequel to

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well good quote was about the top down

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problem design nickel exploitation by

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the merger of government leaders and and by

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the second leaders working together to

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accomplish their goals by using

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the general population as a vehicle to get there

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but the job others and comprises the consumables

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i will be frequently works for the

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other side of that to this put more focus

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on what's going on with the national psyche

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right now what's going on in the mindset of an entire

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generation what's the bathroom a purpose

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and meaning at the heart of our nation

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and our generation international sold

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wow this ruling class relief

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to ultimately pray and picketers insecurity

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that's more with this book is about which is the flipside

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of what my first mug logging was about summit

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that's a that's a sense in which is a sequel nation

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of victim's identity politics the death of married

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and a path back to excellence by the of a grandma

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swami really glad to have gone my friend so

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one of the lines that that i see in front of me as hardships

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is now acquainted with victimhood man

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bet that so having so deep for guys like

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you and me because when i hit

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hardship on a hidden a lot of i got

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another job i had a fourth job or if if

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job or i would work overnights and not sleep it

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off and hundred hours a week was nothing i

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now i don't have to do that because again i'm established

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myself same thing with you as a founder

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ceo of of several companies as a guy who's

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very successful so how do we

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get those who would equate an

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easier life who have

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to compare to our hardships that really

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made us go but like my kids have an

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easier life how do we keep them motivated how do we

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make them not fall into a victim mentality why

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don't i have as much as this person is why

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am i being treated as ways of my hair color how

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do we convince them that hardship is actually a pretty

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good thing a light because you could make

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you work harder and strive for what it is

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that you want

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the what i'd like to do and what i try to do to

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the book is to make that case however one

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of things i also play on the book disclose that in

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, we may not have a

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chance to educate them because hardship

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may return to do the job itself while

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and then one of the things one of these were missing right

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and i give so i was around

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his book at the time that actually gimmick commencement

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speech to my high school was invited me to do last

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year goes as a look at the i is is

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good acquaintances mezcal one of the high school senior

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in two thousand and three he was heavily about

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nine eleven to that defined my

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high school experience those of us history class

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and the time we saw this that second plane hit the twin

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towers or towers now i

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was given the address to the first graduating class

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without a single person in that audience

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was that born on the days those

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two planes hit the twin towers were

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in the middle of the largest intergenerational

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wealth transfer in human history from baby

9:16

boomers to one of them are you an ira probably

9:18

the receiving end of that personally break but but

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our generation millennials and younger really are

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and and i think that that raises

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a cultural circumstance where at

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the end of the day weekend we can preach we

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can forget books like i'm writing years

9:32

but one of these oled the book as you can listen arguments but

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whether or not you do that's gonna create the very

9:36

hardship then allows you to becomes a good

9:38

as and will you are emoticon

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the possible market crash that could

9:43

be exacerbated by tightening a federal reserve

9:46

forces i want to kiss i think in the because it's economic

9:48

crash in a market it's may be difficult it

9:50

may ultimately fortifying for our culture

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because we will go up fifteen years of skiing on

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artificial snow printed by the federal reserve

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that such a covered up the kind of hardships that normally

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the check on any kind

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if there was a famous quote there's actually often

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attributed to the founder of dubai

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it is it sums up this mentality pretty

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neatly and i said it in the book wouldn't have

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to my grandfather wrote a camel my father

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wrote a camel i write a mercedes

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my son will write a land rover my grandson

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will write a land rover but my great grandson

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will ride a camel again yes

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because hard time it was what is

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it easy times create actually

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gg easy times create week men week

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men create a hard time yes so in

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some ways we can preach all we want job at

10:33

the end of the day even if we even if we don't persuade

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the next generation of americans is using

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sounds of victimhood that document itself will

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create the hardship that hopefully creates

10:42

a stronger generation on the back on it it may just be

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part of what the arc of history demands is a first

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book was woken keys a new york times bestselling

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author is rebecca ramaswamy get this book

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they should have victim's identity politics

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the death of merit and the path back to excellence

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want to talk specifically about merit meritocracy

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works very very well we can just

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use sports as an example sports

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teams won a when owners want to make a bunch of money

11:04

they want fans in the seat they want to celebrate your merchandise

11:06

you didn't do that if you suck so meritocracy

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makes sense you get the best players you can you

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get the little talented people you can surround yourself

11:14

with them try your very best get the best

11:16

education you can and then you move up in life

11:18

there is a real push the they can you know this

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better than anybody in this country to

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take away the idea of meritocracy just don't

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talk about sports because they do they'll they'll be hypocrites

11:27

when it comes to that but in life they want meritocracy

11:29

to go because somehow and this is the left

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talking blacks and brown people

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can't do as well as whites therefore

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we must take away their incentive to try

11:38

they are joe biden himself said you don't know how

11:40

to vote if you don't vote for me he said you can't get

11:42

an accountant or a lawyer if you're a black or hispanic

11:44

and in a rural area he said blackstone

11:47

how to get on the internet they said people in the

11:49

left say people of color can't get

11:51

photo ids so they're being told their whole

11:53

lives that meritocracy to the married mary [unk]

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review doesn't work so let's go with equity

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which is called equity now everybody gets the same of everything

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and that disincentivize a human being

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from striving to achieve so

12:04

can we reinforce in the younger generation

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you might be a millennial i'm generation x can

12:09

we tell the newest generation you can

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achieve by doing your very

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best and from your very best and realizing

12:16

your own talents because i feel like they're being told not

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to

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me too simple message that defined the national spirit

12:22

of this country are you could achieve anything you

12:24

ever want with your own hard work your

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own commitment and your own dedication

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that is the american dream up full stop

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now what we see right more was a full frontal

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assault on meritocracy

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itself

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not just nuts in a political context but

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as it

12:39

mr for allocating rewards

12:41

that the that system itself as systemically racist

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or whatever know of any of it's in

12:46

the sentinel a book called the death of merit guess

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at it again i don't mean to be

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in overly doom and gloom about

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this job it's job it's that our

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arguments the arguments and eighty this book or

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persuasive but if you're not

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the thing that's going to persuade us is the actual

13:03

net result that that yields

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in a great power struggle with china china

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is not allocating results ironically

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try to us with a male it's heritage is

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not allocating it's words or

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who gets into school who gets an engineering schools

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this a d i caught a system right based

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on who's most effective and likely to be effective

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as an engineer so that was the american

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culture of meritocracy and the pursuit of excellence

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have left oceans

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the lift appointed like china while

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the maoist victim a culture that defines

13:31

changes know that actually come to instead

13:34

the united states and so i

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, give another example the u penn medical school

13:38

at the top medical school in the country recently

13:40

said that for certain races given

13:43

to the races supposition months races

13:45

they will no longer require the m cast now

13:47

you graduate from medical school the us

13:49

emily which has the certification first episode

13:52

of get back to the comments as the comments medical school they

13:54

changed from a great it exam to pass fail

13:56

again on considerations of equity

13:58

was a bad as a reminder the i think

14:00

he scores well guess what beginner top

14:02

colleges over a four hundred point

14:04

disparity between beat

14:06

whether you're asian or whether you're

14:08

it is only sixteen hundred scale exam it's

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hard

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even score below four hundred or

14:12

even six hundred if you were trying right on the the

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for the point of this is a huge difference that

14:17

attack on merit is going to give us a generation

14:19

of engineers who are under prepared or

14:21

generation of doctors were under prepared a

14:24

generation of of leaders the military

14:26

in leaders in the private sector cool under prepared

14:28

so on are producing things less effectively i

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hope to god this doesn't happen but when people are

14:32

when life expectancies appalachians

14:35

don't want because the incompetence of people who unable to care

14:37

for them when the bridges we designer or

14:39

are falling faster than we otherwise would expected

14:41

i'm not be mad about about this it's gonna be the net

14:43

result that we see on display

14:45

ultimately result in our rediscovery

14:48

of the fact that actually you want meritocracy

14:50

was pretty good model that work for for a couple centuries

14:52

i urge you to give his book nation of victims

14:54

it is by of a grimace while me one last question

14:56

of a big every she designed today you're

14:59

right about everything he just said clearly and

15:01

hopefully people will get the book in an endpoint

15:03

a resurgence in in their own independence

15:05

of their own meritocracy it's those are complaining

15:08

about people moving up because of talent

15:10

or hard work or merit are people

15:12

who generally speaking got those jobs because

15:14

a meritocracy divisional guilty they

15:17

feel badly the baby ended up on top

15:19

and and their activity asians there now

15:21

it's let's denigrate them their own and of blacks their

15:23

let's pick them up or and make this equity

15:25

claims against those who are making these

15:27

claims of a vague you know this they

15:30

all got there because of meritocracy

15:32

wisely bad now

15:34

i regret your the question joke is adding

15:36

one zigzag the case make of the books that

15:38

just for the pursuit of excellence is funny

15:41

unapologetic pursuit of

15:43

excellence mother's we live in a moment now

15:45

of people are forced to apologise or feel

15:47

compelled to apologize for

15:49

their success accident he

15:51

got out of my critique suppressing trump of but the thing

15:53

the thing like of up once things i love my present

15:56

from was a he was unapologetic it

15:58

with respected his objectives unopposed and

16:01

and i don't think that's a republican value it need not

16:03

be republican value democratic values that

16:05

an american values that we're going to win order to

16:07

win unabashedly we're gonna win unapologetically

16:10

another to unify a ,

16:12

value without a white sell you said something

16:14

that unifies us across the boundaries

16:16

of identity and partisan politics beyond

16:18

the basketball court or be out of an

16:21

exam or be it is in a orchestra

16:23

it was a blind auditions actually

16:26

the the irony of describing blind auditions

16:28

as racist or this or

16:30

somebody makes it into north is from is and how will they play

16:32

the violin and how well that sounds rather than

16:34

how they look very different colored glasses

16:36

systemically races because of a scenic the welcome

16:38

supervisor this is

16:40

actually what unifies us have see it allows

16:43

us a colorblind weight and identity blindly

16:45

even at a politically blind way to be

16:47

able to reward those who are excellent at their toes

16:50

pursuit that is what it means to

16:52

be american

16:52

a analyzing i have always my town

16:54

in audience a little bit joe is that yeah

16:57

we also got to look in the mirror i i think the black victim

16:59

had cultures a major problem i talk about it in

17:01

this book people told me you're not supposed to talk about that cause you're not

17:03

block i don't believe in that i if i think we

17:05

really care about lifting up black lives we better darn well

17:07

talking about black victim and culture which is holding a lotta

17:09

black lives now

17:12

those worry that

17:13

the response

17:14

yeah no won't let them a call her all

17:16

new conservative the different culture and

17:18

at the end of the do get africa quickly

17:21

victimhood olympics will eat compete

17:23

for our status as status victim and what

17:25

were owed in return at the end of the day

17:27

someone can have to end the game by saying that you know what

17:29

we all may have our grievances if we look

17:31

back far enough the waca look

17:34

far back or look for forward you have to

17:36

be able be say

17:37

share pursuit of excellence can be what unites us

17:39

as the collapse in the book nation a victim's

17:41

identity politics the death of merit in the past back

17:43

to excellence with a gram his mom it's a vague

17:45

thanks so much for come on i love having your own so much

17:47

knowledge in these books are amazing obe yourself

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five million of them come back soon arrive

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the government russia back to this narrator

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