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2:56

in the day like an

2:58

Arizona grand jury that after

3:01

5pm Eastern indicted 18 allies of

3:04

Donald Trump for their efforts to subvert and

3:06

steal the 2020 election. What

3:09

a list of allies it is. Former

3:12

Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows,

3:14

former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, former

3:16

Trump campaign operative Mike Roman. Former

3:20

pal of me and Chris here at

3:22

SiriusXM, Boris Epstein. Finally Chris,

3:24

a hometown boy makes good in

3:26

the Trump crime syndicate. Finally someone

3:28

we've worked with has gotten indicted.

3:31

Former chair of the Arizona Republican Party, Kelly Ward

3:33

is one of the 11 defendants. Trump

3:36

lawyer John Eastman, Trump lawyer Jenna

3:38

Ellis, Trump lawyer Christina Bobb, and

3:42

an unindicted co-conspirator. We

3:45

have no idea who that could refer to. The

3:48

indictment includes felony counts of conspiracy

3:50

fraud and forgery and it pretty

3:52

much nails you know who, the

3:54

former host of

3:58

Celebrity Apprentice as an unindicted

4:00

co-conspirator. The defendants

4:03

and unindicted co-conspirators scheme to prevent

4:05

the lawful transfer of the presidency

4:07

to keep unindicted co-conspirator one in

4:10

office against the will of

4:12

Arizona's voters. That's

4:15

in the 58 page indictment.

4:18

Now a lot of the names

4:20

are redacted but the document makes very clear who

4:23

they are by describing their roles like Mark

4:25

Meadows, Giuliani. Interestingly

4:28

enough Ken Chesbrough

4:31

who we expected to see indicted here, the

4:34

attorney who helped devise Trump's

4:36

whole fake electors

4:38

strategy, he described as unindicted

4:40

co-conspirator four. Rather

4:43

interesting that Ken Chesbrough who

4:45

flipped and made a deal in Georgia is

4:48

unindicted here. One can only

4:50

assume that Ken's cooperating because the only

4:52

defendants whose names are visible in the

4:55

version of the indictment released by the

4:57

Attorney General's office in Arizona are

4:59

11 Republicans who falsely pretended

5:02

to be the state's presidential

5:04

electors even though Joe Biden

5:06

had won in the state

5:08

and that includes Kelly Ward,

5:10

state senators Anthony Kern, state

5:12

senator Jake Hoffman, Arizona's

5:14

RNC committeeman Tyler Bowyer. These

5:16

might not be familiar names

5:18

to most of us but it's really interesting because

5:20

I bet all the names I read before of

5:23

White House officials are. Here you've

5:25

got the architects of the scheme. You've

5:27

got the people behind the fake elector

5:30

fraud to try and steal the election

5:32

away from the American people. Names

5:34

we've heard Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows,

5:37

John Eastman, Boris, Jenna Ellis and

5:39

then you've got the local players. One

5:42

could argue the pawns. There

5:44

are the Republicans who cooked up the fake

5:47

electors scheme and there are the

5:49

Republicans who signed up to be the

5:51

fake electors. This may

5:54

affect the presidential election but

5:56

this is going to impact

5:58

Republican politics and Arizona for

6:01

a very long time.

6:03

This is the fifth prosecution that bring criminal

6:06

charges over this scheme to upend

6:08

the 2020 election. Jack

6:10

Smith charged him with the federal crimes for those

6:12

efforts in Georgia. Fonny Willis has charged Trump and

6:14

many of his allies in the RICO case for

6:17

their attempts to overturn the results

6:19

in that state. Michigan and Nevada

6:22

have also charged Republicans who posed

6:24

as fake electors in those states.

6:27

Ken Chasbrough noticeably not

6:29

indicted. He's cooperating and

6:31

how? Now it was

6:34

also a very busy day in Arizona because

6:36

after two weeks of

6:38

not knowing what's going to happen, the

6:40

Arizona House of Representatives voted to repeal

6:43

that 1864 territorial ban on

6:46

nearly all abortions. Even if

6:48

the governor, Katie Hobbs, signs a repeal bill,

6:51

the ban might still take effect anyway, because

6:53

the state's Supreme Court cleared the way to start

6:55

enforcing it this month. A couple of

6:58

Republicans, both the House and

7:00

the Senate in Arizona now have the

7:02

votes to repeal this ban from 1864.

7:06

I mean, written by a man who had two wives who

7:08

were 15. That's

7:11

who's calling the shots now. So this

7:13

would reinstate the 2022 law permitting abortions

7:15

through 15 weeks of pregnancy on the

7:17

books. I'm telling you, I

7:19

love Arizona. It was a crazy day there.

7:22

If you're working in media in Arizona, you're

7:24

not going home tonight. So

7:27

other side of the country, we saw the oral

7:29

arguments today in a very important

7:31

abortion case. It was really kind

7:33

of tough to tell how the Supreme Court's going

7:35

to rule on this one, but this case could

7:38

have serious implications on the states that have the

7:40

harshest abortion bans. This was a

7:42

case over whether Idaho's near total ban

7:44

on abortion is in

7:46

conflict with federal law that

7:48

requires hospitals, emergency rooms to

7:51

provide life-saving care. These

7:53

arguments involved very complicated overlapping issues that

7:55

could divide the courts six member conservative

7:58

majority according to the... New York Times.

8:01

Justices Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Cavanaugh

8:03

are the ones who seem to think

8:06

doctors could comply with both laws, so

8:08

there wouldn't be much conflict for the court to

8:10

resolve. We're not going to know what happens here

8:12

until June. But I want

8:15

to get to the real big story that's dominating the news,

8:17

and that

8:19

is not what's

8:21

happening in the Middle East. What's dominating the

8:23

news is not that the Netanyahu civilian

8:26

government, in

8:28

continuing response to the atrocities committed

8:30

against Israel by Hamas six months

8:32

ago, that the

8:34

Netanyahu government is

8:36

systematically using starvation as

8:39

a weapon of war, that

8:42

they are stopping the flow of

8:44

food from getting into Gaza. They're allowing

8:46

a few trucks now, after deliberately murdering

8:49

World Central Kitchen workers a couple

8:51

of weeks ago, who were

8:53

being guided by the IDF on their

8:55

relief mission, and then three

8:57

separate vehicles blown up. Starvation

9:00

is a war crime. America

9:02

is aiding and abetting in it, and

9:04

there have been profound concerns

9:06

over famine happening. Right now, they're letting

9:08

a couple hundred trucks in a day

9:11

for two million people. Now,

9:14

the media is not talking about that. The media

9:16

is talking about protests

9:20

of that. This is America,

9:23

where you have to deal with the crimes, and

9:25

then you have to deal with the people

9:27

who are upset, not about the crimes, but

9:29

upset about the protests of the crimes. You

9:31

know, this is America, where people

9:34

don't care about the racism and police

9:36

brutality, but they're really offended at Colin

9:39

Kaepernick's protest of it. They

9:41

don't care that George Floyd was murdered by a

9:43

cop, putting his knee on his neck for nine

9:45

minutes. They don't like the protests

9:47

against the murder. You know the folks I'm

9:50

talking about. You've all got an uncle racist

9:52

and an aunt dead inside. When

9:55

it comes to Gaza, we got a Lot

9:58

of Americans who don't care. About

10:01

what's happening to the civilians in Gaza. Over

10:03

thirty two thousand deaths, half of them children.

10:05

We get a lot of pro life people.

10:08

Who. Don't care about these children. Don't care

10:10

about these lives. They care. About

10:12

these surly spoiled college

10:15

students protesting. That's. What?

10:17

Upsets folks here and that's where

10:19

the media goes. So as you

10:21

guys know, Columbia University has become

10:23

pretty much the center of this

10:25

fight over how are you going

10:27

to police. On campus.

10:31

Pro Palestine protesters, even

10:33

if they're mostly peaceful.

10:36

Which. They have been

10:38

now. This. Is a

10:41

free speech issue, so wander into

10:43

the weeds with me. I want

10:45

to know your thoughts on this.

10:47

Student protesters at Columbia Another schools

10:49

are calling for their schools to

10:51

divest from companies that are funding

10:53

corporations that are connected to Israel's

10:55

military operations to military's. Historic

10:57

policies of Apartheid on the people

11:00

of Palestine. and they're asking for

11:02

the administrators to allow pro Palestinian

11:04

protesters to peacefully demonstrate without threatening

11:07

to discipline their grades. And

11:10

again, more than a hundred Israelis are still held

11:12

hostage. Hamas or Nazi

11:14

Terrorists Monsters? Okay, stated it. This

11:16

is a complicated thing. Protesting Hamas

11:19

doesn't mean you hate Muslims or

11:21

Palestinian people. protesting the Netanyahu Regime

11:24

doesn't mean you eight Israelis are

11:26

Jewish people. Protesting.

11:28

The Trump Administration doesn't mean you hate

11:30

races, are gullible people, but that's another

11:32

monologue. So. The President of

11:35

Columbia last week order the N Y

11:37

P D to sweep the Gaza solidarity

11:39

camp the students had set up. When

11:41

you go to Columbia i live a

11:43

few blocks from there is a great

11:46

big lot. Add after this Columbia president

11:48

testify before congressional committee hearing on allegations

11:50

of anti semitism on campus the next

11:52

day. See what are the A My

11:54

Pd. To. sweep the deaths and

11:56

the cops arrested more than one hundred protesters

11:58

you heard about it Juan Omar's daughter is one

12:01

of them. And here's the part

12:03

I want you to just file away somewhere in your

12:05

mind. The NYPD chief, John

12:07

Chell, he talked to the student

12:09

newspaper, the Columbia Spectator, and this is what he

12:11

said. The students

12:13

that were arrested were peaceful, offered

12:16

no resistance whatsoever, and

12:19

were saying what they wanted to say in

12:21

a peaceful manner. That's the chief

12:23

of the NYPD. On the

12:26

protest you're hearing all the time at Columbia,

12:28

the students that were arrested were peaceful, offered

12:30

no resistance whatsoever, and were saying what they

12:32

wanted to say in a peaceful manner. Or

12:36

as Mike Johnson puts it, Columbia

12:39

has allowed these lawless agitators and

12:41

radicals to take over. Now,

12:44

students were clearing out of the

12:47

encampment, and the school's still trying to

12:49

contain all the unrest. It's making a lot of hype.

12:51

It's a lot of noise up here. Tensions

12:53

are still high. Protesters were gathering today, uptown at

12:55

Broadway on 116th, and House Speaker Mike Johnson

13:00

decided he would bring some of

13:02

the most right-wing, anti-sympathy,

13:05

anti-empathy, Muslim-hating

13:09

Republicans with him to

13:12

Columbia for a photo

13:14

op to wag their

13:16

fingers at these naughty young educated

13:18

people. And

13:20

he called for the Columbia president, Manoush

13:23

Efik, to resign with all these protests going

13:25

on. And

13:28

this is another sign that Republicans are

13:31

trying to punish prominent

13:33

universities for free speech

13:36

issues. We've seen these

13:38

waves of protests related to the fallout after

13:40

this war began. And this

13:42

is another sign the GOP is trying

13:44

to find a way to

13:46

use the levers of government

13:48

to punish universities.

13:51

Now, I've got to say one thing. It's got to feel

13:53

real good for Mike Johnson to go

13:56

on camera and demand someone else resign after

13:58

weeks of his own party. demanding

14:00

he do it. And truth be told,

14:03

that's the reason Mike Johnson was

14:06

there. This was nothing

14:08

but a damage-control photo op. He

14:10

brought along Representative Virginia Fox in

14:12

North Carolina. You know her, that

14:15

lady. Shut up, lady! Nicole

14:18

Maliatakis, Anthony Desposito, Mike

14:20

Lawler. And they got booed

14:22

and they got heckled for almost the entire

14:24

18 minutes of their fake

14:26

press conference, which they knew

14:28

would happen. It's why they went. Give a

14:30

quick listen. Here's Mike Johnson on his field

14:32

trip to New York City today with

14:35

a bunch of other Republicans. To have

14:37

a publicity stunt centered around ongoing student

14:39

protest here, Johnson says the National Guard

14:42

should clean this mess up if

14:45

the students won't give up and go home. Have

14:47

you spoken to the president about bringing in

14:49

the National Guard? A number of senators

14:51

have done it. Are you urging the

14:54

president to do that as well? My

14:56

intention is to call President Biden after

14:58

we leave here and share with

15:00

him what we have seen with our own two

15:02

eyes and demand that he take action. There is

15:04

executive authority that be appropriate. If

15:06

this is not contained quickly and if these threats

15:08

and intimidation are not stopped, there is an appropriate

15:10

time for the National Guard. We have to bring

15:12

order to these campuses. We cannot allow this to

15:14

happen around the country. We are better than this.

15:16

We are better than this. And I'll ask the

15:19

president to do that and I'll tell him that

15:21

very same thing. Now the whole

15:23

time he was talking, and if you listen to the

15:25

speech, the students were chanting, Mike, you suck, free Palestine,

15:27

you're a liar, get off our campus. You

15:30

can hear people shouting, criticism of Israel is

15:32

not anti-Semitism. At one point

15:34

all the students start chanting, we can't hear you,

15:36

we can't hear you. And Johnson

15:39

just says to them, enjoy your free speech. He

15:42

said it does not matter

15:44

who shouts in our faces, we are going

15:46

to do what's right by

15:48

America. He

15:50

said we respect free speech, we respect diversity

15:53

of ideas, but there is a way to

15:55

do that in a lawful manner and that's

15:57

not what this is. I'm going to remind you again.

16:00

The chief of the NYPD told the

16:02

student newspaper at Columbia that the students

16:04

that were arrested were peaceful Offered no

16:06

resistance and were saying what they wanted

16:08

to say in a peaceful manner now

16:11

have some students been inappropriate Yes, they

16:13

have have students use their free speech

16:15

in destructive ways that I personally don't

16:17

agree with hell. Yes Screening

16:19

a Jewish students going to

16:22

class is class a douchebag

16:24

behavior God doesn't call you

16:26

to do that. That doesn't make the situation

16:28

better in Palestine and Enraging

16:31

people against your cause makes it harder

16:33

for the decent people who are supporting

16:35

the folks in Palestine when you go

16:37

being Anti-Semitic to Jewish kids trying to

16:40

go to class all

16:42

you're doing is making the

16:44

anti Muslim bigots feel justified in being

16:46

anti Muslim bigots I do

16:48

not side with people who yell mean

16:50

shit at people But

16:53

this is a college campus There

16:55

are no reports. I know of yet

16:58

of actual violence and Yet

17:01

I've seen people I know Say

17:03

that this represents the worst kind of evil. I have

17:05

a friend on Facebook conservative Christian This is the word

17:07

these protesters are the worst kind of evil and I'm

17:09

like deliberate starvation of

17:12

the people of Gaza and Murdering

17:16

the world central kitchen workers is

17:19

not but the protest of it Is

17:22

the ultimate evil? There's

17:25

a sign at the entrance of the tent

17:27

camp at Columbia and it says what their

17:29

demands are financial divestment from companies and entities

17:32

The profit from Israel's war on Gaza. They

17:34

want an academic boycott of Israeli institutions They

17:37

want a public statement from the university calling for

17:39

an immediate and permanent ceasefire And

17:42

Mike Johnson is now the highest ranking person to

17:44

call for Columbia's president to resign I'm

17:47

not here to defend the president of Columbia. I don't care if

17:49

he does or doesn't design It doesn't

17:51

resign, but this is all this was about He

17:54

came to Columbia to

17:56

push his worldview and it's interesting

17:59

that None of these Republicans had

18:02

the time to stop by Donald Trump's trial

18:04

and support him. Oh, wait, but the trial

18:06

was off. How strange. You

18:08

got Virginia Foxx and you got

18:11

Mike Johnson and they come to New York City

18:13

and oh darn it, it's just the one day

18:15

Donald Trump's trial isn't happening. I'm sure, I'm sure

18:18

they would have gone down to the courthouse in May time on

18:20

the record to be there for Trump. The

18:23

whole thing reeks of desperation. The whole

18:26

thing shows Mike Johnson's fear. This

18:28

my friends was a photo op and nothing more.

18:30

Mike Johnson desperately needs the right wing to like

18:32

him again. So he

18:34

has come to attack some of the

18:37

Republican Party's most reliable targets for easily

18:39

displaced rage. You ready?

18:41

Number one, Muslims. Number two, Palestinian

18:43

Muslims. Number three, college students. Number

18:46

four, a non-white female university

18:49

president. And number five,

18:51

New York City. He

18:53

came to wag his finger on camera.

18:56

At the people, the Republican Party always wags

18:58

their fingers at. But

19:01

Mike just signed a deal to help

19:03

Israel, to help Ukraine and

19:05

he's hated now in the entire party for it. This

19:08

was nothing but him coming to punch down

19:10

on easy targets to try to win back

19:12

the love of the haters. Now

19:14

again, let me be clear. Every

19:17

student has a right to attend class without being harassed.

19:19

I hear that Columbia is offering Jewish students to do

19:21

hybrid and stay home the rest of the year. That

19:24

breaks my heart. It's wrong. It's

19:26

without being harassed. However there is this First

19:28

Amendment thing, we have to get around it.

19:30

But keep this in mind, any protester breaking

19:33

the law should be arrested. Right?

19:35

No controversy. Any

19:37

protester violating university policy, including

19:40

hate speech, can and should

19:42

be sanctioned and expelled. It's not controversial.

19:45

Antisemitism should never be tolerated, right? Just

19:48

like anti-Islamic slurs and threats shouldn't

19:50

be tolerated, right? Republicans,

19:54

right? Muslims bad and the anti-Muslim stuff's

19:56

bad too, right? Hello? Guys?

20:00

Anybody praising Hamas? They're

20:02

horrible people. But

20:05

is that illegal in the US? I

20:07

mean, we're having Confederate History Month

20:09

right now. Confederacy

20:12

has a much higher body count of murdered

20:14

humans than Hamas. People

20:16

are allowed to celebrate the Confederacy and wave a flag for

20:19

it. But not Hamas.

20:21

And I hate Hamas. Hamas are evil. But

20:24

we have this First Amendment. And

20:26

it's interesting how selective our Republican

20:28

friends' outrage is. So

20:30

Donald Trump has Hitler fans, Nick

20:33

Fuentes and Kanye West, over to

20:35

his house for a very Nazi

20:37

Mar-a-Lago Thanksgiving. We hear nothing. Donald

20:40

Trump says they're very fine people on both sides

20:42

of the Unite the Right rally, where they were

20:44

chanting, Jews will not replace us. Donald

20:47

Trump engages in anti-Semitic tropes day in

20:49

and day out, frequently saying

20:51

that American Jews are more loyal to

20:53

Israel than the US. Charlie

20:56

Kirk of Turning Point USA can

20:58

say some of the largest

21:00

financiers of left-wing, anti-white causes are

21:03

Jews. Anti-white

21:05

causes. Charlie Kirk blamed Jewish

21:07

dollars for funding what he

21:09

called cultural Marxist ideas. And

21:12

he said that ideology must be

21:14

cleansed. Candace Owen can

21:16

say that Hitler was OK until he tried to

21:19

go global. You can

21:21

have Hitler aficionado Milo Yiannopoulos speaking

21:23

on college campuses. When these people

21:25

were protested on college campuses, we

21:27

heard Republicans say, free

21:29

speech. They cried, First Amendment. Elon

21:31

Musk can turn Twitter into a

21:33

Jew-hating Nazi chat room, and we

21:35

hear free speech, First Amendment. But

21:38

a couple of spoiled university brats

21:40

say anti-Semitic insults at a protest

21:43

of Israeli civilian government policy, the

21:45

National Guard. And when they say

21:47

call in the National Guard, everyone thinks of Kent State.

21:49

So do they. They know what

21:51

they're saying. Mike Johnson is

21:53

calling to mind fond, warm, fuzzy

21:55

historic memories of uppity college kids

21:57

being slaughtered for free. protesting the

21:59

wrong things. Mike Johnson knows the

22:01

dog whistle he's sending. The Netanyahu

22:03

government is starving these people. The

22:06

risk of famine is very, very

22:08

high. It's deliberate starvation as a

22:10

weapon of war. They murdered the

22:12

World Central Kitchen workers whose journey

22:14

they were coordinating. They're only allowing

22:16

about 200 food shipments a day

22:18

for 2 million people. We just

22:20

signed a 25 billion dollar

22:22

rate package for Israel to continue

22:25

helping fund this slaughter and our

22:27

media is obsessed with

22:29

college kids who are

22:31

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22:34

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24:51

Oh, thank you so much, John. You

24:53

know, I'm glad we're underway now because

24:55

I can stop cramming this story out

24:57

of Arizona about the indictments

24:59

that were just handed up from the

25:01

grand jury there about the fake electors

25:04

scheme. Yeah, the Republican party may be

25:06

done with the law, but the law

25:08

isn't done with the Republican party. Oh,

25:11

nice, nice, nice. I've

25:13

used that line a lot. I'm going to steal

25:15

it. Yeah, we're very excited here because, you know,

25:18

we've been watching all of the indictments and as

25:20

you know, there have been a lot. I

25:22

mean, there's been Georgia, you know, there's been

25:24

the federal indictment, but as I'm really fond

25:26

of pointing out, Bob, there's also Nevada, there's

25:28

Michigan. This is going around the country and

25:30

this is the first time that Chris and

25:32

I have had a friend of ours who

25:34

we've worked with finally, finally

25:38

get a nomination to the Hall of Fame.

25:40

Boris Epstein is now on the hook and

25:42

we are so proud that a homegrown boy

25:44

that we used to do radio with here

25:46

at SiriusXM is now on

25:49

the hook along with unindicted co-conspirator Trump. He's

25:51

made the big time. Exactly.

25:53

Yeah. And I keep thinking about

25:55

that scene in coming to America where

25:58

Eddie Murphy bumps into the dukes. from

26:00

trading places. I almost said trading spaces, trading

26:02

places, yeah, it was the movie. And

26:05

I'm imagining Rudy Giuliani and Mark Meadows

26:07

in that place, just waiting

26:11

for someone to come by to hand them a

26:13

wad of cash because my God, I can't

26:15

even imagine where they

26:17

are right now as far as legal

26:20

bills and obviously judgments

26:22

against them. And

26:24

so it couldn't happen to a couple of better

26:27

guys, huh? I have to

26:29

say, I don't understand. I'll

26:32

always admit when I'm wrong, and I'm wrong about stuff

26:34

now and then, and I really thought

26:36

that Mark Meadows must have cut a deal with

26:39

someone to avoid all these headaches, but I guess

26:41

I was wrong. I mean, Meadows

26:43

is the one who screwed up and

26:45

gave all of his text messages to

26:47

the 9-11 committee. That's why

26:49

he sued them because he realized he had stepped in it

26:52

by cooperating and turning over his records and he had hung

26:54

all of his friends. We know so

26:56

much because of Meadows, because of

26:58

his stupidity. It's important to

27:00

remember, he, I guess, has not cut

27:03

a deal with anybody to avoid jail time. I

27:06

mean, Jenna Ellis cut a deal to avoid jail in Georgia, but I

27:08

guess she's going to have to do that all over again too. Yeah,

27:11

yeah, she was also indicted. The only

27:13

one that we know of who wasn't

27:15

indicted is unindicted co-conspirator one who was

27:18

Donald Trump. And he

27:20

is not indicted in Arizona. Lucky

27:22

him, right? In fairness,

27:25

there's also unindicted co-conspirator four who was

27:27

believed to be Ken Chesbrough who we

27:29

know is already flipped in Georgia. And

27:32

the fact that he's not indicted here

27:34

gives a very strong indication that he has

27:36

helped the attorney general with an airtight case.

27:39

There's a lesson to be learned here,

27:41

John, and they haven't learned it yet.

27:44

Essentially, people like Rudy Giuliani and

27:46

Mark Meadows and Boris Epstein and

27:49

all these people who surround Donald

27:51

Trump will perpetually blame the witch

27:53

hunt, blame Democratic attorneys

27:56

general and so forth, Democratic prosecutors

27:59

for the... that they find themselves

28:01

in when in fact they should be blaming

28:03

Donald Trump himself. And

28:05

the lesson has to be at some point people

28:08

around Donald Trump have to take a look

28:10

around them and say, you know, maybe I'm

28:12

next. Maybe I shouldn't be

28:14

hanging out with this serial criminal, this

28:16

con man who can't

28:18

not commit crimes and

28:21

wind us all into the

28:23

conspiracy. I mean, is this

28:25

it? All these people are going to jail and if they're

28:27

not going to go to prison, they're going

28:29

to be destitute because they

28:31

latch their wagons to the Donald

28:34

Trump shit star. And

28:36

at some point they've got to learn the

28:38

lesson like maybe we should

28:40

cut the tether between us, maybe we

28:42

should cut the umbilical cord between us

28:45

and this unforgivable crook. I

28:47

mean, plenty have. I

28:49

mean, Michael Cohen had to go to jail for it first and

28:51

we'll get to him. But from

28:54

Omarosa on down, there have been a number of figures

28:56

of let's talk about all the chiefs of staff. I

28:58

mean, there have been plenty of people on the inside

29:00

with Trump. I've

29:02

never seen a former president have so

29:04

many members of his cabinet come forward and

29:07

say he is not fit to hold

29:09

office. I mean, I think you're

29:11

right. A lot of people have found a come

29:13

to Jesus moment here, but I think they probably

29:15

had pretty steady lives and careers to return to.

29:18

A lot of opportunistic fuckwits really thought they could

29:20

ride the Trump train to glory and they're realizing

29:22

they should have stayed in their own lane. Yeah.

29:25

And there's a number of people who I know

29:27

for a fact haven't learned their lesson and that

29:29

is the upward of 74 million

29:32

Trump voters out there who

29:34

are probably going to walk into a

29:36

voting booth again in November and elect

29:38

this guy to become the steward of

29:40

our economy, to become the steward of

29:42

our national defense, to have purview over

29:44

not just the Department of Justice, which

29:46

he's going to take over and be

29:48

make it part of the White House,

29:50

make it his own personal Gestapo, but

29:52

also the National Treasury, which Donald Trump

29:54

will then begin to hoard taxpayer money

29:56

for his own wealth, just

29:59

like kleptocrat. Vladimir Putin, Donald

30:01

Trump's personal mentor and hero

30:03

and controller. So

30:06

there are millions and millions of Americans

30:09

who watch this stuff and see it obviously

30:12

happening on the news and

30:14

haven't learned the lesson yet. Maybe we

30:16

shouldn't attach our votes to this guy.

30:18

Maybe we shouldn't attach the presidency to

30:20

this guy. Maybe that's going to turn

30:22

out badly for the United States, just

30:24

as it's turned out badly for the

30:27

Trump Foundation, the Trump Organization, Trump

30:29

State. The whole Trump empire

30:32

has crashed. The

30:35

pro central is in the process of crashing

30:37

right now. And everyone's like, yeah, maybe this

30:39

guy should be in charge again. Stupid,

30:42

stupid, stupid people need to wise up

30:44

and see the light about this guy

30:47

and cut the tether just like

30:49

Boris Epstein and Rudy

30:51

Giuliani and Mark Meadows and Jenna

30:53

Ellis and all these other losers

30:56

who were too ambitious to see

30:58

how much of a black hole this guy turned

31:00

out to be. I have so many

31:02

thoughts on everything you just said. Sorry.

31:06

I do agree. Bob, my first thought

31:08

is we live in a country where McDonald's

31:11

is our most popular restaurant. Fox

31:14

News is our most popular

31:16

source of journalism and People

31:19

is our most popular magazine. You're

31:21

asking me to be surprised that 80 million

31:24

are still suckered by a

31:27

reality show racist landlord who steals

31:29

from vets. I can't be surprised

31:31

anymore. Ryan

31:36

Seacrest has a gold toilet and Van Gogh sold

31:38

three paintings in his life. The dumbness will never

31:40

shock me anymore, Bob. But here's the thing. When

31:43

you look at the Pennsylvania primary, which happened

31:45

last night and it didn't get a lot

31:47

of coverage, but the big takeaway is that

31:49

Donald Trump is not

31:52

strong in the suburbs.

31:54

He won Pennsylvania last night with 83% of the

31:57

vote. Still,

31:59

we're going to be surprised. More than

32:01

one in seven Republican primary voters cast a

32:03

protest vote against him. At one point, he

32:05

only had two-thirds of the vote and Nikki

32:08

Haley had a third of the vote. Joe

32:10

Biden got 93% of

32:12

the Democratic vote and he's got a protest going

32:14

on against him and people that were voting deliberately

32:16

for Dean what's his face just to try to

32:18

hurt him. Bob, Nikki Haley dropped out

32:20

of the race almost two months ago and she

32:22

got 156,000 votes in Pennsylvania

32:25

yesterday. I bet you Trump is more worried

32:28

about that than anything else that happened today.

32:30

Yeah, on top of that, there was a

32:33

Pennsylvania House race in a district that went

32:35

to Donald Trump by 28 points. The

32:38

Democrat came within 11 points of defeating

32:40

the Republican in that particular district.

32:43

Democrats still lost, mind you, but we're talking

32:45

about a Trump plus 28 district where the

32:48

Democrat ended up coming pretty damn close,

32:51

all things considered, to winning

32:53

in that particular race. I

32:55

think one of the biggest scandals of the

32:57

year, one of the things that we may

32:59

be talking about in November, December, January is

33:02

what the hell is going on with the

33:04

polls? Once again, we're going to be in this

33:06

place going, what are they doing? What

33:09

are they doing wrong specifically? There are lots of

33:11

theories along those lines. I know Dr.

33:15

Tracy Pearson was mentioning that it may

33:18

actually have something to do with undercounting women.

33:21

It may have something to do with not updating

33:23

demographic numbers. I

33:26

mean, it may have something to do with

33:28

the fact that when you have a polling

33:31

model that relies on people answering landline phones

33:34

and a polling model that relies on people answering

33:36

a cell phone when they don't know who the

33:38

caller is, you might

33:40

not be getting the most reliable cross-section of

33:43

the American electorate. You know what I'm saying? Exactly

33:45

right. Yeah, yeah. That's why

33:48

networks and publications keep paying to

33:50

use these polls and to

33:52

partner with these pollsters is

33:55

that they need that kind

33:57

of horse race tension, that kind of drama.

34:00

to feed viewership, to

34:02

feed people clicking

34:04

and sharing and so on, to make sure

34:06

that we're all on the edge of our

34:08

seats and this is somehow going to

34:11

be a thing. And while there may

34:13

be some unnecessary closeness in this race,

34:15

where I know we all look at

34:17

the RCP average or whatever and we

34:20

say, where the hell?

34:22

I mean, even if we were to handicap

34:24

Donald Trump, you knock 10 points off of

34:26

his numbers right now. It's like good lord,

34:28

where are these people coming from? One

34:30

conviction, you can knock five to 10 points

34:32

off guaranteed. But at least we know that

34:34

Donald Trump has got Lara Trump out there

34:36

now as his surrogate to preach unity amongst

34:39

Republicans. And that's a real relief. You know,

34:41

we needed someone to have a cooler head

34:44

and talk about bringing the party together

34:46

with a positive message. I

34:48

think with Lara, he's found it Bob, scorched

34:51

earth really. Not since Carrie Lake

34:53

insulted senior citizen Arizonans who had

34:55

voted for McCain all those years,

34:58

have I seen a Republican have

35:00

a more effective messaging for disaffected

35:02

Republicans? The scorched earth second term.

35:05

What do you make of Lara's

35:07

positive messaging? Well, she is

35:09

among several who are just speaking out loud

35:11

about what Donald Trump plans to do or

35:14

what they at least hope Donald Trump plans

35:16

to do. Although the plans are pretty much

35:19

available to anyone to read

35:22

project 2025 agenda 47, etc.

35:24

But with Lara Trump, she's talking about how Donald

35:26

Trump's going to take office. And

35:28

when he once he does it all bets

35:31

her off, because it's going to

35:33

be scorched earth. I mean, she actually used

35:35

the term scorched earth. And the

35:38

reason she said that you could get away

35:40

with that is because he doesn't have to

35:42

run for reelection again. And obviously,

35:44

we know that based on the 22nd Amendment,

35:46

he can't technically run again in 2020.

35:49

Yet he can't. If he wins. Yeah. And

35:51

then that's the big if he has to win

35:53

first in this year. But if

35:56

he wanted to win a run again in 2020, he

35:58

can't do that because the 22nd Second Amendment, or

36:00

he's just going to ignore all of that

36:02

and stay in office. That's

36:05

our worst nightmare and something

36:07

that I think is a valid concern that we

36:09

all have based on everything that we've read so

36:11

far and everything that we've witnessed from January. I'm

36:13

sorry. I love this. I love

36:16

this. I know this whole thing ends with the last

36:18

scene of Scarface for this guy. This

36:20

talk doesn't scare me. This

36:23

is like sweet music, but go on, please. The

36:26

whole idea is he can do whatever

36:28

he wants because he will no longer

36:30

be accountable to the American voters. That's

36:34

one of the things that will

36:36

provide a buffer

36:38

for him. That's one of the things that will

36:40

allow him to get away with all the things

36:42

that he wants to do. It's crazy to say

36:44

this, John, but his first term, he

36:47

was actually restrained, maybe restrained

36:49

or restrained himself a little bit knowing

36:51

that he had to run again, knowing

36:54

that he needed some sort of support

36:56

from the American people. He

36:58

needed to get to 270 in the Electoral

37:01

College in order to continue

37:03

to serve, or not serve at

37:05

all, continues to reign. In

37:09

that regard, that actually restrained. That always happens in

37:11

the first term. Presidents are always restrained by the

37:13

fact that they have to run again. They don't

37:16

want to go too far, piss off too many

37:18

people. When you're talking

37:20

a second term, combine the

37:22

second term itis that a normal

37:24

president gets with Donald

37:26

Trump and everything he plans to

37:29

do, and it's a toxic combination

37:31

for a second term. Now, how

37:33

are we going to get to that point? I don't know. I think

37:35

they should all brag that it's going to be a

37:37

second term. They should all boast it's going to be

37:39

a scorched earth second term. I think, by the way,

37:41

having an entire campaign based on vengeance is great for

37:43

the Christian vote. I've always found that to be

37:45

the case, but go on, please. Right. Oh,

37:47

yeah. It's going to be one

37:50

of the primary movers of a

37:52

Trump second term is just A

37:54

ridiculous amount of vengeance. They're just going to

37:57

... I Mean, they're talking about Clearinghouse. The

38:00

of the deep state but I

38:02

think. Based. On what we

38:04

witnessed with the first Donald Trump term

38:06

and what preceded what came after. it

38:08

does hopes not really interested in necessarily

38:11

digging into you know, jobs, the an

38:13

essay or anything like that. I think

38:15

to sort of said he's gonna replace

38:17

fifty thousand people. Out of up

38:20

eight hundred thousand person I've ever gets

38:22

a total a job for size of

38:24

federal government. but the details of people's

38:26

a lot of people. But granted I

38:29

think Donald Trump's primary animates the primary.

38:31

A point of his vengeance is gonna

38:33

be all the people who were mean

38:35

to him all along. Anyone who was

38:38

prosecuting him, anyone who was criticizing him

38:40

in the press, anyone who was talking

38:42

about his connections to Russia, etc and

38:44

Vladimir Putin, it's gonna be all those

38:46

people. That's what we're gonna see. And

38:49

I was watching a video. One

38:51

of these. Guys. One of

38:54

these pundits who was on a podcast that

38:56

now I'm I'm blanking on our renown a

38:58

Dead Man Yes, yeah, I know was one

39:00

of America You was on like about once

39:03

a Charlie Kurtz podcast and I was saying

39:05

he, oh yeah yeah, we're totally were going

39:07

for ah, we're We're going for every one

39:09

we're gonna. We're. Gonna, we're gonna

39:11

deport ten million people including anchor babies,

39:14

including their parents, including their grandparents. It'll

39:16

be kids back in cages was talking

39:18

about I think he was being a

39:21

little bits the seizures but I know

39:23

it exists. It sounds like a threat

39:25

more than anything else. I mean tell

39:28

me how detention center is any different

39:30

than concentration camps and as what I'm

39:32

trying to get out as they want

39:35

to have these camps with people there

39:37

deporting that they can concentrate them in

39:39

one area and. A. That is great. It's

39:41

it's release the ultimate solution you know

39:43

the maybe the last a solution they

39:46

have for this problem. Yes I'm Bob.

39:48

Will I still have you eyes the

39:50

tip south down. By. apparently is

39:52

going to sign it i would bet cash

39:54

money on two things one donald trump never

39:56

actually does a day in jail and to

39:58

near his never actually a TikTok ban that

40:01

goes into effect. I cannot imagine Joe

40:03

Biden signing this in an election year

40:05

knowing how unpopular it would be with young people. And

40:07

quite honestly, I've believed for a long time, this is

40:10

Republicans trying to set a trap for this old man

40:12

to walk into. Look at how Donald Trump just flipped

40:14

like a crack house mattress a couple of months ago

40:16

on this issue because of some donor money. What do

40:18

you make of the TikTok ban? Yeah,

40:21

well, I know, and

40:23

as you said, Donald Trump

40:25

flip-flopped on this issue because in his

40:27

final year in office in 2020, when we were

40:30

all focused on the pandemic, Donald Trump signed an

40:32

executive order to ban TikTok, essentially. It was,

40:34

you know, I take that back. It was very

40:36

similar to this legislation that was just passed that

40:40

would have allowed TikTok a certain

40:42

number of months to divest or

40:44

ByteDance would divest TikTok to

40:47

some domestic entity like

40:49

Microsoft or whatever. And

40:51

if they didn't do that, then a ban would

40:53

go into effect. Once that moratorium was

40:55

over, then TikTok would get

40:57

blocked inside the United States. However, I

40:59

do think that there will be a

41:02

buyer, there will be maybe a consortium

41:04

of buyers who will come along and

41:07

rescue it by buying TikTok from

41:10

ByteDance. And so that will separate

41:12

TikTok from the Chinese government. It'll

41:14

separate TikTok from, you know,

41:16

the prying eyes that are looking

41:18

at people's user data allegedly inside

41:21

ByteDance and TikTok. That's the allegation.

41:23

Why not have a law

41:26

protecting people's privacy on all

41:29

of these social media sites? Why only this

41:31

one? You know what I mean? It's why

41:33

I'm so suspect about the whole thing. Well,

41:36

there's some sort of national security threat

41:38

involved in all of this and they're

41:41

not being clear exactly what that is.

41:43

It's kind of vague given the extreme

41:45

action that's been taken. And by the

41:48

way, Joe Biden did sign that ban

41:50

into effect. So again, it's

41:52

not technically a ban yet.

41:55

Right. No, it's not going

41:57

to be shut. Exactly right. So

41:59

there's this. period of time, much

42:01

like Donald Trump's executive order, this

42:04

law will allow ByteDance to

42:07

sell TikTok to a company

42:09

domestically. The thing with

42:12

Donald Trump's action against TikTok is Joe

42:14

Biden overturned that executive order when he

42:17

took office because he wanted

42:19

to take a closer look and see for

42:21

himself what are the national security ramifications of

42:23

this platform. And so he went

42:25

ahead and did that. He had the Commerce Department

42:27

investigate TikTok and look into any

42:29

national security concerns, any FTC

42:33

issues that might have come up and

42:35

also Congress was looking into it

42:37

themselves. And so that's how

42:39

we ended up here. And

42:42

obviously it's not the

42:44

best politics. I think they think it's

42:46

going to be okay, but I don't know. It's touchy.

42:48

Yeah. They found a way to kick the can down

42:51

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45:24

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45:35

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45:37

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45:50

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46:19

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46:23

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46:25

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46:41

to Mike in Michigan on

46:45

line 2 who's been on hold just forever. Mike thank

46:47

you for your patience. You're on progress. A.I.

46:49

Trump that's great. Hey at this day

46:51

A.I. Trump unbelievable. That

46:53

was great. But this

46:57

day in music history 1968 the guy at

46:59

69 years old made number

47:02

one in UK. Who's that? That

47:04

was Ray Charles. It's

47:07

a wonderful world. No

47:10

that was Louis Armstrong. Ray Charles

47:12

wasn't 68 years old in the

47:14

1960s. You're thinking Louis Armstrong. Louis

47:16

Armstrong. I'm sorry. We'll accept

47:18

that answer. Very good. Anyway that's

47:20

crazy. But I was wait

47:22

a second. Louis Armstrong. I saw Ray Charles. He would have

47:25

been 90 by the time I saw him if he was

47:27

that old. Yeah.

47:30

God bless. God bless. Yeah

47:32

I wanted to see if we answer this

47:34

question about when Jesus said He can

47:37

only be saved through me. Yeah. Okay.

47:40

Yeah. And what they thought of that

47:42

I think it's more than just through

47:44

Him as even

47:47

I think there's more to that. Well

47:49

there is a lot more to it. Yeah.

47:51

What do you think there is to it?

47:54

I think it means the walk

47:56

in His walk you know. Yeah.

47:59

I do too. word and

48:02

to become that, okay,

48:04

become what he's talking about, not

48:07

just through him as a

48:09

being, okay, but through

48:12

his teaching. Yeah. And

48:14

anyway. But again, you know

48:16

why people cite this all the time? People cite

48:18

this all the time to argue that non-Christians go to

48:20

hell, that Muslims and

48:22

Hindus and Jews and atheists and

48:24

all the Indians, they're all burning

48:26

in hell for all eternity because

48:29

God and Jesus hate them. And

48:31

this line has been so twisted over the years

48:34

to really, really

48:36

be exclusionary. And

48:41

it's in John 14, right,

48:44

where Jesus says, no one comes to the

48:47

Father but through me. And

48:49

the whole time he's saying, on the way, he's saying

48:52

like, don't let your hearts be troubled.

48:54

You believe in God, believe in me. The Father's house has

48:56

many rooms, which I always took to be about diversity. If

49:00

I go in prayer or a place for you, I'll come back and

49:02

take you to be with me. It's Jesus saying, I'll be with you

49:04

all the time. And he says, no

49:07

one comes to the Father except through me. If

49:09

you really know me, you'll know my Father

49:11

as well. From now on, you do

49:14

know him and have seen him. So my

49:16

question when people bring this up to say

49:18

that only Christians go to heaven, I

49:20

say, well, what does that mean? No one comes to the

49:22

Father except through me. I ask

49:24

my fundamentalist friends, does that

49:27

mean we have to physically pass

49:29

through Jesus's body? Like

49:31

go through his ribcage and

49:34

physically go through his

49:37

physical form to get to God. And

49:40

if that's not the case, then he's speaking

49:43

metaphorically. If you

49:45

really know me, you will know. Well, he died 2,000 years

49:48

before most of us were born, so how could

49:50

we really know him? Oh, he's speaking metaphorically.

49:53

He's not speaking literally. So his

49:55

whole ministry was about love. He

49:58

wasn't a Christian. just like Buddha

50:00

wasn't a Buddhist. Jesus'

50:02

religion was love. And

50:05

when he talks about everything, it is grounded

50:07

through love. You have

50:09

to interpret his scripture through the prism of

50:11

love. That is the new covenant. It is not the

50:13

fire and brimstone God anymore. It is

50:15

the God of acceptance, forgiveness, and compassion.

50:18

That is what right-wing people can't stand about the religion

50:20

they pretend to follow. So when he is saying, no

50:23

one comes to the Father through me, he's saying, if

50:25

you don't love, you

50:28

are not going to get to heaven. And

50:30

I kind of think if there is a heaven, that is

50:32

exactly right. Hey,

50:35

just my favorite scripture is not

50:38

John 3.16 like you see

50:40

on the football games. No, even that

50:42

one. For God so loved the

50:44

world. They forget that one part. Loved the world. Didn't

50:47

just love this one part of the world. Didn't

50:50

just love this one God fan

50:52

club. God so loved the entire

50:54

world. Go ahead. My favorite

50:56

one is right after that, John 3.17. For

51:00

he sent not his son into the

51:02

world to condemn the world. But

51:05

through his son, it may

51:08

be saved. And he

51:10

sent not his son to condemn. And that's

51:13

what a lot of Christians do, condemn

51:15

this and condemn that. Yeah, that's fundamentalism.

51:17

That's not Christians. That's the fundamentalist wing

51:20

of all religions. The

51:22

more conservative, the more extreme conservative anybody

51:24

of any religion is, the more it's

51:26

all about the inferiority and sin and

51:28

condemnation of others. And

51:30

the more liberal a Muslim or a Jew or a Christian you are,

51:33

it doesn't matter the religion. The more it is

51:35

about the welcoming the stranger, caring for the less

51:37

fortunate, being there for other people. I swear to

51:39

God, the extreme conservative Christians, Muslims and

51:42

Jews are the same religion. Women

51:45

second class. Sex is

51:47

bad unless it's for procreation. Other

51:50

religions are inferior. Perpetual victimhood.

51:52

And it's always, always

51:55

about sin, never about healing. That's

51:57

why I don't agree with what they're doing.

52:00

over to Israel against Palestine,

52:02

I mean. I don't either. I

52:04

want Israel to be safe. I want

52:06

Israel to have a neighbor that recognizes their right to

52:08

exist. And I want Palestine to be safe and I

52:10

want Palestine to have control of their own borders and

52:12

be a free independent state. I

52:15

mean, like, and then Israel

52:17

move into Palestine as an emerging

52:19

market and help their economy start.

52:22

I mean, there's just, there's so many nonviolent

52:24

ways this can play out. It's just a

52:26

lot of people who are willing to kill

52:28

for God need to realize that if God

52:30

wanted anyone dead, He'd smite them Himself. It

52:33

appears God wants us to get

52:35

along despite our differences. I

52:37

don't know if you're going to have the

52:39

indigenous folks on tomorrow, but. Yes,

52:42

Simon and Julie will be here. I wonder if

52:44

you could ask them about Buffy St. Marie or

52:46

Grey Owl. We talk about Buffy a lot. Buffy,

52:48

a lot of people's hearts are broken over Buffy,

52:50

including me, because she's been on the show. How

52:53

about Grey Owl? I'll

52:55

talk about Grey Owl. Okay. Or you call in

52:57

and talk about Grey Owl. Yeah,

52:59

I wanted you to ask them about Grey

53:01

Owl and see what, because that was not just

53:04

a movie, it was a true story about

53:06

a British guy who became an American Indian.

53:09

Oh yeah, Pierce Brosnan did it, right? Yeah,

53:11

that's a good movie and it's a

53:13

good story. Listen, why don't you

53:15

call in tomorrow night when Simon and Julie are here and

53:17

you bring it up. I promise I'll put you

53:20

on, okay? Give it a try. Okay.

53:22

All right, man. That's 866-997-4748 is

53:24

our number. Dr.

53:27

Tracy Pearson joins us in just a moment. Rob

53:29

in Orlando on line four. Thank you so much

53:31

for your patience on hold, Rob. You're on SiriusXM.

53:34

Hi, John. Hello. How are you,

53:36

sir? Good, sir. How

53:38

are you? I'm doing well. John,

53:41

I understand you don't like

53:44

Israel. That's not true, sir.

53:46

That's not true at all. When have I ever said that?

53:50

You don't like Netanyahu. I do

53:52

not like Netanyahu and I don't like his policies and

53:54

he hasn't made Israel safer. No. John,

53:58

please. By

54:00

the way, I don't like the leadership of Palestine, I don't

54:02

like the leadership of Iran,

54:05

I don't like the leadership of Russia,

54:07

but I love Palestinian, Iranian, and Russian

54:09

people. It's good. Yes,

54:11

you should. Yeah. And,

54:14

you know, but Hamas

54:18

is terrorist. So ... They

54:21

are. Yes. So who

54:23

cares if they're starving them? It

54:26

doesn't matter. Are the children terrorists, my friend? Are

54:28

the children ... There's 13,000 children that have been

54:30

killed in this. Are the children terrorists? Does

54:34

your pro-life sentiment extend to them? Sure.

54:37

So you're not pro-life when it comes to

54:39

Palestinian civilians? All

54:42

Muslims are terrorists, all of them. That

54:44

is not true, and you don't believe that. I

54:47

do. You don't believe that? Is

54:49

Kareem Abdul Jabbar a terrorist? Is Kareem

54:51

Abdul Jabbar a terrorist, sir? He

54:56

supports a religion that is terrorist. Islam

54:59

is not terrorism. Why don't I

55:02

... Then Christianity is about conquest and

55:04

plunder. I should compare Christianity. Christianity

55:06

is the religion of Hitler and the Crusades. I mean,

55:08

I can play this as well. It's vulgar and offensive,

55:10

and look, you just don't like Muslims. That's fine. You

55:13

don't have to like Muslims, but don't go talking bullshit that

55:15

it's a religion of terrorism. It's

55:17

not. There's Christian terrorists, there's Jewish terrorists, there's Muslim terrorists, and

55:20

you're smart enough to know it. Come on. Hate

55:22

them on your own terms. John,

55:25

there's no such thing as a Christian terrorist.

55:28

Hitler was a Christian. When

55:31

you shoot an abortion clinic doctor,

55:33

you are a Christian terrorist. Yes,

55:35

that's terrorism, dude. Dude,

55:38

terrorism is violence or the threat

55:40

of violence to bring about policy.

55:42

So if you're killing abortion doctors,

55:44

you're a terrorist. Hitler was Christian.

55:46

He said our movement is Christian.

55:48

We can do this all day.

55:50

It is the extreme right wing

55:52

of all the religions that does

55:54

it. I don't think you've had the chance

55:56

to know a lot of liberal Muslims, but if you did,

55:58

you wouldn't feel the way you do. I've been blessed

56:00

to know plenty of liberal and moderate Muslims. So

56:03

I'm not angry with what you're saying because I know

56:05

it's not true. I'm sorry? My

56:08

neighbor is a Muslim. My neighbor is a Muslim. Do you

56:10

call him a terrorist to his face? I

56:13

don't talk to him. Would you

56:15

call him a terrorist to his face? Sure,

56:21

if I ever want to talk to him, but

56:23

I don't want to. Now based on what has

56:25

your neighbor done that makes you feel this way

56:27

about your neighbor? Well,

56:32

John, you don't say

56:34

certain things to some people's faces. What

56:37

has your neighbor done that makes you dislike them so much?

56:39

How has your neighbor treated you? If you're going to be

56:41

racist, John, you've got to be racist and private. Come on,

56:43

you don't have a terrorist. I know, but what has the

56:45

neighbor done that makes you hate them? Serious

56:47

question. What have they done?

56:50

I don't hate him. You don't talk

56:52

to him. You don't

56:55

talk to him. If you're calling a radio

56:57

show to brag that you don't talk to your Muslim

56:59

neighbor, that's a lot of contempt. What have they done?

57:01

How do you even know that he's

57:04

Muslim? Because he

57:06

wears the little turbot thing and he's got a

57:08

long beard. Dude your neighbor

57:10

is Sikh. Oh my God, he's a

57:12

Sikh. Dude, your neighbor is a Sikh, not a

57:14

Muslim? Holy shit. Why do we have to have

57:16

the stupidest racist, Chris? Muslim, Sikh, they're all the

57:18

same thing. Oh, hang up. We're

57:21

done, Rob. Rob, listen, if you're going to be

57:23

a bigot, try not to embarrass the rest of

57:25

us. There's educated bigots out there that deserve a

57:27

better representative for the racism cause than you, please.

57:29

This is the thing about white supremacists, man,

57:32

that always disprove the argument. His

57:34

neighbors are Sikh. Muslims

57:37

don't wear turbans, you racist douchebag. Oh,

57:40

it was going so well too. What a

57:42

cell phone. Thank you, thank you for that. Oh, I

57:44

love it. Can we turn that into a

57:46

promo? Can any part of that be turned into a

57:48

promo? I honestly feel so much better now, Rob. Thank

57:51

you. I always like recoil. I'm not going

57:53

to say this time because I don't hate Rob. I have

57:56

family like Rob, but wow. That was beautiful.

57:58

I just love public embarrassment. We

58:00

have to take a break. I'm so sorry Rob. I would love

58:02

to have you on to create a news

58:04

for you more. Call back anytime sweetie. 866-997-4748 We'll

58:09

be right back with Dr. Tracy Pierce. Welcome

58:24

back. We're at 866-997-4748. We welcome all of our callers,

58:26

even racists

58:30

who can't tell which religion they're

58:32

hating. That was just a beautiful moment.

58:34

It just it hangs in the air like

58:37

the smell of Trump when he leaves

58:39

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welcome back to the show Dr. Tracy Pierce,

59:14

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TV and radio and podcast. He's been quoted

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so blessed to have our airwaves classed up

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every Wednesday by Dr. Tracy. Hello. Hello. Thank

59:31

you for having me. I am always happy

59:34

to be here on Wednesdays because you cheer

59:36

me up. I have to say

59:38

that today was one of those days where I

59:40

wanted to get on top of my house and

59:42

scream. Then I heard your

59:45

last caller and I laughed my

59:47

ass off during the entire call.

59:49

I have to say there are some

59:51

moments of levity with all of this

59:53

even though what he said was absolutely

59:55

abominable. That's the thing about

59:57

racists as wretched and awful and revolting.

1:00:00

fake Christian as their comments may be.

1:00:02

We don't give them enough credit for all

1:00:05

the laughs they provided us over. The Nazis

1:00:07

and the Blues Brothers alone, you know, like

1:00:09

fascists are great for comedy and I'm grateful

1:00:11

for that. Indeed. Muslim

1:00:15

neighbor with the turban and the beard. I just, I

1:00:19

love racists. They're just, they're always so consistent.

1:00:21

This is a man who needs to watch

1:00:24

some W. Kamau

1:00:28

Bell shows where he exposes

1:00:31

you to different people and

1:00:33

cultures, man. He really

1:00:35

needs some Kamau Bell. I'm

1:00:38

sure he can't wait for that. Tracy,

1:00:40

I have to ask, as a concerned bystander, what

1:00:42

was it that put you on the roof of

1:00:44

your house screaming into the abyss this morning? I

1:00:46

mean, you know, it's been a pretty

1:00:48

interesting week so far

1:00:50

and there's been all kinds of sources

1:00:52

of amusement for me, but what is

1:00:55

getting to you today? What's getting to

1:00:57

me today is that, you know, I've

1:00:59

lived a lot of different lives. I

1:01:01

have had a lot of different careers

1:01:03

in my short,

1:01:05

you know, very 20 years old self,

1:01:08

joke, ha ha, but I

1:01:10

have had a lot of different

1:01:13

careers and one of those was

1:01:15

working with university administration in misconduct

1:01:18

cases as

1:01:21

an investigator and

1:01:24

I am livid, absolutely

1:01:27

livid about the discourse that's being

1:01:29

put out there about students and

1:01:31

protesting. Like my family,

1:01:33

my great-grandfather, my grandfather, my

1:01:36

father, all served in the

1:01:38

military and they didn't put their lives

1:01:40

on the line to not have the

1:01:42

right to protest.

1:01:47

I think that if you are

1:01:49

a university president, particularly Carol Folt

1:01:51

over at USC who feels the

1:01:54

need to call in the LAPD

1:01:56

in a full, you know, militarized,

1:01:58

you know, equipment and marches. hundred

1:02:00

or so of these people in to

1:02:03

take care of some people that

1:02:05

are in a confined

1:02:07

area of campus who are

1:02:09

chanting. That says more about

1:02:11

Carol than it says about

1:02:13

those people who are protesting

1:02:16

the use of their tuition

1:02:18

dollars for the war

1:02:20

machine in Israel. And I

1:02:23

think that it's

1:02:25

disgusting and even more disgusting is, you

1:02:28

know, I'm following some reporters and one

1:02:30

of the reporters just

1:02:33

posted that they tried

1:02:35

to talk to LAPD who was arresting these

1:02:37

students and they wouldn't talk to

1:02:39

them because they said it was a USC

1:02:41

DPS operation. And that to

1:02:43

me is the first signal that, you

1:02:47

know, that is an attempt to

1:02:49

avoid liability because in the state

1:02:51

of California, private university students

1:02:53

have a First

1:02:56

Amendment right to freedom of speech in

1:02:58

the same way that public students do

1:03:00

under what's called the Leonard Law. And

1:03:03

so I'm already watching the shifting

1:03:06

of, you know, the finger pointing,

1:03:08

if you will. And

1:03:11

I just I think it is, you

1:03:13

know, they didn't want to have a

1:03:16

big stinking problem when they canceled this

1:03:18

poor, you know, valedictorian speech. They bought

1:03:20

a problem and the problem that they

1:03:22

bought is bigger than the problem than

1:03:25

they perceive to have. And so they

1:03:27

just do they do a lot of

1:03:29

things and universities all across the country

1:03:31

are doing bad things. What happened in

1:03:34

Texas today was bad. What happened in

1:03:36

Columbia was bad the other

1:03:38

day. You don't have to sick

1:03:40

anyone with a gun on your

1:03:42

students. I

1:03:45

have been quoting tonight NYPD chief John

1:03:47

Shell, who told the Columbia student newspaper

1:03:49

last week when they arrested 100 protesters,

1:03:52

the students who were that were arrested

1:03:54

were peaceful, offered no resistance whatsoever and

1:03:56

were saying what they wanted to say

1:03:58

in a peaceful manner. So, what

1:04:00

makes me crazy about this, and you're right,

1:04:03

I also seem to remember from my Constitution

1:04:05

comic book, citizens having

1:04:07

the right to peacefully assemble and petition

1:04:09

the government for redress of grievances. I

1:04:11

seem to remember something about that. What

1:04:14

makes me crazy is the hypocrisy of the Republicans

1:04:16

in the media. On the Republican

1:04:19

side, we have folks who aren't making any

1:04:21

effort whatsoever to get American Jews to like

1:04:23

their platform. You got Donald Trump

1:04:25

who goes attacking American Jews every other day

1:04:27

with dual loyalty. You've got the Candace Owens

1:04:29

praising Hitler, the Charlie Kirks attacking the

1:04:31

Jews and Jewish dollars. You've got

1:04:33

these straight up Hitler fans

1:04:35

like Milo Yiannopoulos and Donald

1:04:38

Trump's Thanksgiving buddies Nick Fuentes and

1:04:40

Kanye West. These are

1:04:42

the people showing up now like Elon Musk

1:04:44

making Twitter a Nazi space, and

1:04:46

they're pretending to be really laser

1:04:49

focused on fighting anti-Semitism. Mike Johnson

1:04:51

didn't go there because he cares

1:04:53

about anti-Semitism. He went there to

1:04:55

try to win back the votes

1:04:57

in support of bigots who don't

1:04:59

like him passing a deal for

1:05:01

Ukraine by wagging his finger at

1:05:03

these swarthy brown people and Muslim lovers

1:05:05

and college students in New York City. Even

1:05:08

worse than him is the mainstream media because

1:05:11

I began the show tonight by talking about how

1:05:13

you've got this response

1:05:15

of Netanyahu where 32,000 civilians are now dead,

1:05:17

half of

1:05:20

them children. They're murdering the World Central Kitchen

1:05:22

workers and they're deliberately using starvation as a

1:05:24

weapon of war and then they bring some

1:05:27

obnoxious college brats protesting it,

1:05:30

not the actual war crimes. The

1:05:33

media is focused on these unseemly

1:05:35

protests of the war crimes. That

1:05:38

to me is the worst part of our media

1:05:40

culture. They

1:05:42

can't come out and cover the plight

1:05:44

of the Palestinian people while still acknowledging

1:05:47

that Hamas are Nazi bastards. They've

1:05:50

got to come out and talk about these awful

1:05:52

people supporting them. That's the closest you'll

1:05:54

get to the truth in most of our corporate media. You

1:05:57

won't get facts. I mean, you won't get facts. about

1:06:00

the party that Netanyahu belongs to,

1:06:02

the terrorist organization that became the

1:06:04

Likud party. You

1:06:09

won't get any information about

1:06:11

the fact that that terrorist

1:06:13

organization, Lehi, now

1:06:16

has a military ribbon named after it,

1:06:18

and they called them the freedom fighters

1:06:20

because their purpose was to create an

1:06:23

Israeli state through terrorism, through violence. And

1:06:25

on top of that, they also had a

1:06:28

weekly or biweekly publication called Hamas.

1:06:31

I'm not kidding. Like I have been spending a

1:06:33

lot of time, oh yes. I have

1:06:35

been spending a lot of time doing a lot of reading. And

1:06:38

I have to say that

1:06:40

the facts, these are facts.

1:06:42

These aren't Dr. Tracy opinions.

1:06:46

These are historical facts. And

1:06:49

when Israel was in the process of being created on

1:06:55

a piece of paper, you

1:06:58

had British ministers being

1:07:00

assassinated. You had the first mediator

1:07:03

to the conflict between

1:07:07

the Arab population and creating

1:07:09

this country. And that

1:07:12

person was assassinated both by Lehi. They

1:07:16

went and they named, all

1:07:20

the other countries were a bit upset about

1:07:22

this. And so what happens is the

1:07:25

country that would become Israel, so I'm just gonna refer

1:07:27

to it as Israel, that

1:07:29

they said, okay, okay, all right, the

1:07:31

deal was pending, okay, okay. So what

1:07:33

we'll do is we'll name them terrorists,

1:07:35

okay? And so they named them terrorists

1:07:37

and they executed a couple people. The

1:07:40

guy who was in charge fled the country.

1:07:43

And then what happened was that guy got

1:07:45

sent a passport after

1:07:47

the ink was dry on the deed to

1:07:49

Israel. They then go and

1:07:52

give Lehi amnesty.

1:07:55

And that guy who fled the

1:07:57

country comes back with this passport.

1:07:59

the court enters the country and

1:08:01

eventually becomes prime minister. Wow.

1:08:05

And and so and he he ends up

1:08:07

helping to form the wicked party. So,

1:08:11

you know, there's so much about this

1:08:13

that when I when I see and

1:08:15

I hear things, I'm

1:08:17

enraged because the

1:08:19

techniques and the rhetorical strategies and

1:08:21

all of these things are being

1:08:23

turned around and used on people

1:08:25

who, you know, the people in

1:08:27

Gaza, they are the most vulnerable

1:08:29

people that exist right now because

1:08:32

when you compare all these populations because

1:08:34

they they literally can't fight back. I

1:08:36

mean, they really can't fight back. They've

1:08:39

all been part of it. They can't get food. Yeah,

1:08:42

exactly. And so it's just infuriating

1:08:44

when I when I see college

1:08:46

students who are responsibly

1:08:48

engaged in protest under

1:08:51

our Constitution, our state

1:08:53

constitutions, under their their

1:08:56

their policies. I mean, when you look at

1:08:58

university policies, tell me what the process is

1:09:00

for them to go protest because people say,

1:09:02

well, they got to follow the policy and

1:09:04

yes, they can name time, manner and place.

1:09:06

Yep, you can. But what's the process that

1:09:09

you have that students can then go apply

1:09:11

for a quote permit like you might do

1:09:13

in Washington, D.C. You can buy it. And

1:09:16

so there's just a lot of manipulation

1:09:20

of infrastructure to prevent

1:09:22

people from advocating for

1:09:24

for the weakest people

1:09:27

and it is, you know, it's the thing

1:09:29

that put me on the roof today. I wanted

1:09:31

to scream as loud as I could

1:09:33

because I couldn't figure out how to manage

1:09:36

the rage that I had over what

1:09:38

was happening. I totally get it. I

1:09:40

mean, and I want to point out once again,

1:09:42

you know, anyone chanting death

1:09:45

to America, anyone who's pro Hamas,

1:09:47

well, they're douchebags and they suck,

1:09:49

but that's still legal to do

1:09:51

in this country under our First

1:09:53

Amendment. If someone is hurting

1:09:55

someone or trying to hurt someone in

1:09:58

any way. Well, then they. subject to

1:10:00

the laws of the city they're in and

1:10:02

they're subject to the rules of their university.

1:10:04

So I have no problem with saying someone

1:10:07

commits an acts of violence or violates the law,

1:10:09

lock them up. Someone breaks the policies of the

1:10:11

university, sanction them, suspend them, expel them, whatever you

1:10:13

want to do. But this

1:10:16

is still for the most part

1:10:18

a largely nonviolent free speech exercise.

1:10:20

It's just that the speech is not altogether

1:10:22

popular. I want to play a quick clip

1:10:24

here from earlier today. This is A6. NSA

1:10:27

chief Jake Sullivan told reporters

1:10:29

that the US is now demanding answers

1:10:32

from Israel this time and I

1:10:34

know demanding answers. Wow! How

1:10:37

powerful. Regarding the mass

1:10:39

graves discovered at two

1:10:42

Gaza hospitals. A6. Well

1:11:01

those reports were deeply disturbing. We have been

1:11:03

in touch at multiple levels with the Israeli

1:11:06

government. We want answers. We want to understand

1:11:08

exactly what happened. You've seen some public commentary

1:11:10

from the IDF on that but we want

1:11:12

to know the specifics of

1:11:14

what the circumstances of this were and

1:11:17

we want to see this thoroughly and

1:11:19

transparently investigated. As we

1:11:21

talk about all this Tracy this is the

1:11:23

day that Joe Biden signed off to send

1:11:25

25 billion more to

1:11:27

Israel to help them slaughter these people

1:11:29

and there's several million in there for

1:11:31

the people being slaughtered. So you know

1:11:33

my math is not great but I

1:11:35

think billions weigh more than millions and

1:11:37

I think we know this is gonna

1:11:39

play out a certain way with more

1:11:41

or less bloody bipartisan

1:11:44

support. Well and I think that

1:11:46

one of the things that I've been saying

1:11:48

all along is that Joe

1:11:50

Biden needed to have that money in

1:11:52

his hands in order to

1:11:55

have some negotiating power.

1:11:58

I don't think so. Just

1:12:00

sent. Here it is. One left. I

1:12:02

think that now I think that

1:12:04

he needs to have that money

1:12:06

in his hands to have some

1:12:08

negotiating power. And I think that his,

1:12:12

you know, again, we

1:12:14

have to be really careful about that money because

1:12:17

a cease fire resolution

1:12:20

was passed by the UN. And

1:12:23

so the Security Council and there's

1:12:25

been allegations. Israel is still under

1:12:27

investigation for war crimes before we

1:12:30

even discovered these mass

1:12:32

graves. And so, you know,

1:12:34

if our resources are being

1:12:37

used to to further those

1:12:39

those unlawful objectives, we

1:12:42

can get into some trouble and

1:12:44

we don't want to do that. And

1:12:46

so I think that that's

1:12:49

important to sort of understand all of

1:12:51

that. I have never I, you know,

1:12:53

in once Israel became fully self sufficient,

1:12:56

I never understood why they needed our money. They've

1:12:58

got more companies on

1:13:00

the net on the NASDAQ than than

1:13:03

any other country in the world. Yeah,

1:13:06

it's like I don't even know how many it's but

1:13:08

it's double digits. And I just I you know, they

1:13:10

have extraordinary technology. I mean, we don't have a dome.

1:13:12

Do we have a dome? I've never heard of a

1:13:14

dome. No, I also just

1:13:16

don't understand. I mean, I get that there

1:13:18

are allies, but I

1:13:21

have never been able to understand why

1:13:23

Israeli lives matter more than Palestinian lives

1:13:25

to me. Well, and are they our allies

1:13:27

when they're they're causing almost World War Three's

1:13:30

with with people in that region? I don't

1:13:32

know. I know

1:13:34

we say they, you know, and I always try

1:13:36

to separate the Netanyahu civilian regime from the Israeli

1:13:38

people. And I think the Israeli people may separate

1:13:40

the Netanyahu regime from the Israeli people very soon.

1:13:42

I want to I do want to get to

1:13:44

the calls and I want to ask you about

1:13:47

gag orders because we should have some levity here.

1:13:49

Let me try it. Even in New Mexico on

1:13:51

line five, Stephen in New Mexico. Thank you so

1:13:53

much for your patience. You're on Sirius XM progress.

1:13:55

Hello. Hi, Stephen. Hi,

1:13:59

nice to meet you, Dr. Tracy I I'm right

1:14:01

there with you girl well

1:14:04

said how you doing brother John I'm happy

1:14:07

you're here man it's all better now what's how are

1:14:09

you feeling I'm doing okay although

1:14:11

I feel a little bit like dr. Tracy

1:14:13

today I I think the students

1:14:15

are getting a bad rap how you doing

1:14:19

Chris well anyway I've

1:14:21

got something to discuss

1:14:26

with you John okay I understand you and

1:14:28

your wife have a really nice place there

1:14:30

in New York okay

1:14:37

God came to me last night John and he told

1:14:39

me I could have your place

1:14:42

okay and I'm gonna hop on

1:14:44

a weekend I can't argue with that I'm

1:14:49

hoping you can have all of your stuff out

1:14:51

by the weekend I do have a 16 gauge

1:14:53

shotgun it can I keep

1:14:56

a little tiny part of the place I've lived in

1:14:58

all these years that I my family and I can

1:15:00

can live in squalor in just so we're not completely

1:15:02

cast out to the elements since we were here first

1:15:05

I think God wants me to have the whole thing that's what

1:15:07

he told not even a little tiny spit a land you sure

1:15:09

there's like parts of the yard I could just you know put

1:15:11

some tarp up and live there I'm God's chosen

1:15:13

person oh right I'm so sorry I keep

1:15:17

forgetting right because I actually think

1:15:19

I'm John's God's chosen person too so I

1:15:21

guess once you do this I'll get to

1:15:23

blow up your children and your children's children and we'll all

1:15:25

argue who's the good guy I

1:15:28

don't know man I think it's all about Zionism they

1:15:31

don't they not only think they're better than the

1:15:33

Palestinians they think they're better than the Americans you

1:15:36

know not all of them think that not all

1:15:38

of them think that you know there's lots of

1:15:41

there's lots of aggressive and moderate Israelis

1:15:43

who are wonderful people and are really

1:15:45

turned off by what they're seeing you

1:15:47

know I'm not talking about them John

1:15:49

and I think there's a difference between

1:15:51

Zionism and Judaism okay I understand

1:15:53

I get what you say I see Zionism

1:15:55

as the

1:15:58

manifest destiny the

1:16:01

whole, you know, God's

1:16:03

chosen people thing, it's

1:16:05

sick and I think it's infecting

1:16:09

our country, the Christian Zionists. Oh,

1:16:11

very much so. Jewish Zionists are

1:16:13

working together to create hell on

1:16:16

earth and... No, no, no,

1:16:18

it's not the Jewish Zionists, no, it

1:16:20

is the American evangelical community that is

1:16:22

not interested in the teachings of Jesus

1:16:24

but they're really high on rapture fiction

1:16:26

and that's why they care about Israel

1:16:28

because they need flaming angry Jesus to

1:16:30

come back in their Bible fanfiction

1:16:32

and kill half the Jews and make

1:16:34

the other half convert. That's the only

1:16:37

reason these folks care about Israel. And

1:16:39

you're describing dispensationalism and the Scofield Bible

1:16:41

and all that, you

1:16:43

know, end-of-the-world stuff. Yeah, the

1:16:45

word rapture doesn't appear in the Bible. What's

1:16:47

that? The word rapture doesn't appear in

1:16:50

the Bible. This is all bullshit that they've concocted in

1:16:52

the century since and again, you

1:16:54

know, this is Christians who think that

1:16:56

God gave them the book of Revelation

1:16:58

and that it's not some guy tripping

1:17:00

his face off in a cave but

1:17:02

actually giving orders about stuff and

1:17:05

so it's the same kind of

1:17:07

corrosive right-wing religion leading to suffering.

1:17:09

Yeah, yeah, and it's closely

1:17:11

related to settler colonialism. It's

1:17:14

all the same thing. I

1:17:16

told you before I've been doing ceremony

1:17:18

with the Lakota for about 25 years

1:17:21

and they turn me on

1:17:23

to a word they use. The

1:17:26

word is... Oh,

1:17:29

what is the word? Wetticom. Wetticom.

1:17:32

Wetticom. And that is their description

1:17:34

of the Western illness that

1:17:37

creates settler colonialism, Zionism,

1:17:41

genocide, racism. They

1:17:44

wrap all of that into that one word

1:17:46

and it's really something

1:17:48

everybody should know. Yeah,

1:17:51

I get it. Yeah, yeah,

1:17:54

but... And then what's the

1:17:56

solution? Is it a... I mean Tracy, is it a two-state solution

1:17:58

or is it... I mean more and more, I don't know. how

1:18:00

you could ever have a two-state solution when you look

1:18:02

at the West Bank. I think it's got to be

1:18:04

a one-state solution that is a democratic state, where there

1:18:06

is no apartheid and there is equality, and

1:18:09

where they have to live side by side. I

1:18:12

think it has to be, and I

1:18:14

understand that this is controversial, but

1:18:17

the one-state solution almost seems

1:18:20

to be the thing that might be able to work.

1:18:25

Because when you think about

1:18:27

how Israel responds to attacks,

1:18:30

historically, what they have chosen to do, and

1:18:32

I can talk about this some more at

1:18:34

another time, but what they choose to do

1:18:36

is fight the battle on the enemy's

1:18:39

territory. And that's why when

1:18:41

you look at the map of the region as it's

1:18:43

changed over time, prior to 48 and after 48, what

1:18:47

you see is that land

1:18:49

disappearing for the Palestinians. And

1:18:52

that is the Cherokee in Georgia. And

1:18:55

that's part of the strategy. Yeah,

1:18:57

and again, you can assume these people are going

1:19:00

to be compliant for the rest of time, Chris.

1:19:03

There's a lot. I don't agree with a

1:19:05

lot of what's being said right now. Tell

1:19:08

me, Chris, weigh in, because I think the Jewish

1:19:10

people are

1:19:13

the most oppressed people in the history of the earth. They

1:19:15

deserve to have a homeland where they are

1:19:17

safe and have neighbors who recognize their right

1:19:20

to exist. And the Palestinian people

1:19:22

deserve the same thing. They deserve to have

1:19:24

their own independence state with control of their

1:19:26

own borders. But please, Chris, please. Neither of

1:19:28

the groups that you just mentioned would

1:19:31

want or ever endorse a one-state

1:19:33

solution. Oh, I know. The

1:19:35

more I look at the geography of the West Bank,

1:19:37

the more I think there's no way you're ever going

1:19:40

to make a second state there. And there could be

1:19:42

a whole region. They're not embracing a two-state solution either.

1:19:45

I know. I just want the other one to disappear.

1:19:48

I know. And the entire region

1:19:50

gets very upset when Western

1:19:52

people want to be in Russia. Oh, listen.

1:19:54

And I'm not imposing anything on Mr. Clown

1:19:56

with a radio show. I'm with you. I

1:19:58

don't have a phone. As far

1:20:00

as the shifting borders goes, I mean,

1:20:03

that all happened after invasions in

1:20:05

which the invading people lost, and

1:20:07

as a concession of war, they

1:20:10

gave up land in a treaty in

1:20:13

67 and 72 and 48. Like,

1:20:18

that's what happened. So, you know,

1:20:20

I have a video to recommend

1:20:22

to you guys. It's called The

1:20:25

Hidden History of Israel. It's a

1:20:27

conversation with a Jewish professor, Avi

1:20:29

Shlaim, someone I've been following for

1:20:31

about 20 years. I used

1:20:34

to write about these things, by the

1:20:36

way. I cut my journalistic teeth writing

1:20:38

about Israel and Palestine, and I started

1:20:40

off with a story about the USS

1:20:42

Liberty, the intelligence ship that was attacked

1:20:44

by the Israelis in 1967. But

1:20:48

Stephen, I mean, I have to ask you, though, do

1:20:50

you agree that the people of Israel deserve to live

1:20:52

in peace and security with neighbors who recognize their right

1:20:54

to exist? I don't think that's asking too much. It's

1:20:57

not, but I want to remind you that

1:20:59

from the river to the sea was

1:21:02

a Zionist probe. I know. They

1:21:04

both said it. I know. I know.

1:21:08

They are committed to

1:21:10

moving the Palestinians off

1:21:13

the land. They think

1:21:15

God has given them. I

1:21:17

have come to believe that some of them are doing that. Absolutely. Tracy,

1:21:19

I'll give you the last word, then we've got to hit our break.

1:21:22

I mean, I'm not against a two-state

1:21:24

solution, but both parties have to be

1:21:27

willing to cooperate. This isn't Ireland and

1:21:29

Northern Ireland. I mean, look,

1:21:31

it took a long time for them to figure

1:21:33

it out. They finally figured it out, and things

1:21:35

are working out. Did I knock on something here?

1:21:37

Okay. No, I agree. I just don't think the I

1:21:39

don't see how the way the settlements are

1:21:42

in the West Bank. I don't see how you would

1:21:44

I mean you would have to have a border that

1:21:46

it was like 500 little circles. You

1:21:49

know, I just recommend it. Okay,

1:21:51

I'll check it out, man. Thank you. So, Dr. Tracy,

1:21:54

here's the question, right? Yesterday, you missed the night of

1:21:56

a thousand pecker jokes, but this

1:21:58

gag order and the violations of the West Bank. of

1:22:00

it. It's really irrefutable

1:22:02

that Donald Trump has violated his gag order

1:22:04

multiple times. The only thing that's up for

1:22:06

debate is why he's doing it. There seems

1:22:08

to be some kind

1:22:11

of strategy related to getting a

1:22:13

mistrial or getting this thing delayed.

1:22:15

But what should we know about gag order

1:22:18

violations? Well, what we're talking

1:22:20

about is contempt. And there's two kinds of

1:22:22

contempt. There's civil contempt and criminal contempt. And

1:22:25

civil contempt is about preventative behavior,

1:22:28

sort of coercing somebody into doing

1:22:30

the right thing. So

1:22:32

for example, you know, your child support, you should pay

1:22:35

child support. You didn't pay child support. We find you

1:22:37

in contempt in a way to

1:22:39

compel somebody to do something. Criminal contempt

1:22:41

is all about punishment. And

1:22:43

so it is about holding

1:22:45

someone accountable and doling out

1:22:47

consequences for misconduct. And

1:22:50

there's sort of two kinds of

1:22:52

criminal contempt. There's indirect and direct

1:22:54

contempt. Direct contempt being something that

1:22:56

the judge personally sees in the

1:22:58

courtroom. Indirect contempt being something that

1:23:00

he doesn't see in the courtroom, but that is

1:23:02

told to him. And so what

1:23:04

we're dealing with here is criminal

1:23:06

contempt that's indirect, and that the

1:23:08

DA has brought a motion to

1:23:10

show cause, which requires that, you

1:23:12

know, they show

1:23:15

cause for... And it's

1:23:17

interesting in New York how they do this. In

1:23:19

other jurisdictions, it would be Donald Trump would have

1:23:21

to show cause for why he was not in

1:23:24

contempt. But here the DA says they've got the

1:23:26

burden. That tells me a lot. That

1:23:28

tells me that they're treating it like a crime,

1:23:31

because contempt is a crime in New York. There's

1:23:33

two ways to get there. One is through the

1:23:36

penal code. The other way is through the judicial

1:23:38

code. And so they have

1:23:40

the same elements to them. But

1:23:43

a judge can find you in contempt of

1:23:45

court. And the two that we've all been

1:23:47

talking about this, there's two ways of dealing

1:23:49

with it. One is payment of a fine.

1:23:52

The other is incarceration. Yes.

1:23:55

Ding, ding, ding.

1:23:57

Incarceration gets fun because there's other things

1:23:59

that he can do. He doesn't just have

1:24:01

to incarcerate him for 30 days. He can incarcerate

1:24:03

him from Monday through Friday and let

1:24:05

him get paid on the weekends. But

1:24:08

he wouldn't want to incarcerate because wouldn't that

1:24:10

slow down the trial? I mean, would it

1:24:12

be more reasonable to

1:24:14

sentence him to jail time but then have a

1:24:16

stay on the jail time until the end of

1:24:18

the trial so he would know he was

1:24:21

going to jail no matter what for contempt and then he

1:24:23

could rack up more miles if he wanted to between now

1:24:25

and then? Yeah, I mean,

1:24:27

I don't think it slows down the trial

1:24:29

at all. In fact, they'll

1:24:31

bring him to

1:24:34

court and put

1:24:37

him in regular

1:24:39

clothes. It just means that

1:24:41

at the end of the day, he goes

1:24:43

off to whatever facility that they're

1:24:45

going to put him in.

1:24:47

So he can't appeal that from what

1:24:49

I understand because the trial has already

1:24:52

started. So it's

1:24:54

not going to slow anything down. There's

1:24:56

already been a jury impaneled. And

1:24:59

a mistrial is when there's something

1:25:01

that's happened that's so incredibly unfair to

1:25:03

the process that would lead somebody to

1:25:07

contend that it was

1:25:09

impacting the outcome. What

1:25:11

do you see happening here? I mean, he

1:25:14

has to do something against this guy and a thousand

1:25:16

bucks of violations are dropping the bucket for Donald Trump.

1:25:18

How do you see it playing out? I've

1:25:20

got two theories. First of all, it's all based on the

1:25:22

fact that in my experience with this stuff, if he was

1:25:24

going to give a fine, he would do it from the

1:25:26

bench. He doesn't need to take

1:25:29

the time to think about it. Okay. So

1:25:31

what he's doing is crafting a very detailed

1:25:33

written order. And there are a couple theories.

1:25:35

I think one of the more likely ones

1:25:37

is that he's going to issue sort of

1:25:39

a springing order, which is he's going to

1:25:42

say that, you know, you're going to

1:25:44

get 30 days in jail suspended. And

1:25:47

if you engage in one more act,

1:25:50

that the law

1:25:53

enforcement is authorized to take you

1:25:56

into custody and to bring

1:25:58

you before me. And

1:26:01

to have a hearing on whether I

1:26:03

should define that you have violated the

1:26:05

terms of the suspension And

1:26:07

if I do then you will go and serve

1:26:10

those 30 days Do you think that's

1:26:12

gonna really happen in this case though? I

1:26:14

think it's a strong possibility I've been

1:26:16

reading the transcripts which you God's love

1:26:19

New York State Courts. I

1:26:21

am so grateful for these transcripts I wish

1:26:23

they were coming out the same day though.

1:26:25

It's a way to tweak it That would

1:26:27

be wonderful, but I've been reading them and

1:26:29

some of them are hilarious And the the

1:26:31

just the way the judge is reacting to

1:26:33

Blanche and Blanche is reacting to the judge

1:26:36

You know, there's he's talking and the judge

1:26:38

asks this question He's like so as far

1:26:40

as the whole distinction between reposts you stated

1:26:42

it's ambiguous You stated you didn't

1:26:45

know but again, I hate to come back to

1:26:47

this, but you're not offering me anything to support

1:26:49

your argument Mr. Blanche, but your

1:26:51

honor the court I'm not done You're

1:26:53

not giving me anything to hang my hat on

1:26:55

to say yeah, you're right, etc. And so on

1:26:57

I mean and it goes on like this I

1:27:00

know it was crazy I mean when the

1:27:03

judge says when the judge says to the

1:27:05

defense lawyer you've presented nothing. That's not a

1:27:07

good sign, right? You're losing all

1:27:09

credibility with the court. That's that's not a good

1:27:11

sign. Is it it's not a good

1:27:13

sign. I That's sort

1:27:15

of a warning it's a still trying to

1:27:18

advocate for your client But

1:27:20

I think that you know, I

1:27:22

have some sympathy for for Blanche

1:27:25

now because he really has nothing And

1:27:27

I've been in that spot where I've

1:27:29

got yes. Go ahead. Yeah, I got

1:27:31

nothing I'm fighting out of a

1:27:33

foxhole trying to keep my client alive.

1:27:36

Oh, he's got something He's got the tattered remains of

1:27:39

his reputation as a former Democrat who decided to cash

1:27:41

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1:27:58

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1:28:00

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1:28:03

you, Quilson Thea. We'll see you tomorrow. Peace.