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Hello everyone, I'm very pleased today

2:33

to have with me, mister Pierre Paul

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am. He is the current

2:37

front runner in the race. The

2:39

leadership of the federal conservative

2:41

party of Canada and he is therefore

2:44

a likely candidate. The Prime

2:46

Minister of Canada within the foreseeable

2:48

future within the next few years. The

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Conservatives in Canada have

2:52

served historically alternatively

2:55

to lead Canada, competing with the

2:57

liberals primarily at the federal

2:59

or national. And provincial

3:01

or state level. Though the

3:03

liberals, their primary opponents have been

3:06

more historically successful save

3:08

served more terms. Paulie

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have served as senior cabinet minister

3:13

in Prime Minister Stephen Harper's conservative

3:16

government. Prior to the recent

3:18

election of Justin Trudeau and the Liberals.

3:21

That is served as member of parliament. Seven

3:24

terms. And with that brief introduction,

3:26

I'm going to turn. The discussion

3:28

over to Mr. Probably of who? The

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only thing on little biographical information, so

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we know who he is, and then we'll turn to

3:35

more specific issues, thanks very much

3:37

for agreeing to talk to me today and

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welcome. Thanks

3:42

very much, share doctor Peter some great to be with you.

3:45

So. Will do Jordan and Pierre, how's

3:47

that fine by me know right away we go, so

3:49

let's start who are you

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who are you where'd you come from and how do? You get interested

3:54

in politics and why are you the man for the job

3:56

here, spanky well, I like

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you I'm from now? The order. Although

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further south in, come from Calgary. The

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and and. My folks, you're from

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his gaps one they married

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in seventy seven, moved to Calgary. Where

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they adopted me, was in born

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of a sixteen year old unwed

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mother.

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Whose mother had just died and

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so she was in no position to raise a child.

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That he put me up for adoption, and

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I was blessed to be. Adapted

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by Marlene and on Paulie

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of to teachers from says gaps, one and

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a pretty normal upbringing grew

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up in the eighties and. Like

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I was born in seventy nine, so my early childhood

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was in the eighties. It was kind of

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a brutal time to be homeowner

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or family because they received monstrous

4:44

interest rates are some way early earliest

4:46

memories as child were them.

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Financial stress that my folks were going

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through Ah and lot of people

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are losing their homes and their

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livelihoods at that time are.

4:58

endowed big that made an early

5:00

impression on my Thinking

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or even though at the time I didn't really understand

5:04

what was happening or why was able. Later

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on to look back at that. The grain

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and stress and then try to diagnose

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it. When was old

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enough to understand and.

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dumb and that front of for formulated

5:18

similar political ideologies are

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we can return to that later on but i've been

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i've grew up by middle class

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Couple of bad teachers who got divorced

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when was in my mid tier teams

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and. As your a bounce

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back and forth between mom and dad's place

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throughout my teenage years. The

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University of Calgary.

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Yeah. So would you ever forbidden comic is my

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bf one of my parents, my father is

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a teacher, their my both my parents are from, says

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Gas once they moved Alberta sense?

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Lots of people from scouts, when did I

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got interested in politics at an early age,

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remember that period of inflation because

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well. Well, I might eat my parents,

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my father, and maybe your parents

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did they lose their pensions when the. Grab

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the teach, give the teachers did.

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Mine didn't lose their pensions, we did have to move

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on because I think in retrospect

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that was because of the interest rate hikes week by

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I'm guessing get my folks were not able to

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pay. The mortgage at the higher rates

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and, then we had moved to a smaller place

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and

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Are we to sell her car and get us to

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get down, downgrade, our automobile

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and all of the above just to try

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to our heads above water and

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that would have been guessing around 4 or 83

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84. I'm in that was

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I a really kind of hellish time for in

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Alberta because the central government had.

6:36

The least wicked assault on the energy

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sector called the National Energy Program.

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And simultaneously, the worst

6:44

of the Trudeau socialist years were

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coming to bear on the entire national

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economy, she and twelve percent inflation

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and twelve percent unemployment. Twenty.

6:54

Four percent mortgage rates that's

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real fun for everyone, yes,

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and I'm highest misery index

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in Canadian history that's unemployment plus

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inflation and not was under just his father,

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yes surprise surprise. And here

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we are with the same policies leading to the

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same. Results just

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as there. Dog returns to it's vomit

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in the cell returns to it's meyer, the Burn

7:16

Fool's band, his finger goes wobbling back to the

7:18

fire as Kipling would right. By

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Jam you know it was miserable

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time for lot of people now I was

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blessed because my folks were teachers so

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the ultimate we did lose their livelihoods and.

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god you know we were able to have we are modest

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scuppering i would never call because of poor

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And my folks worked hard to make sure we can

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play hockey and. Enjoy

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life going camping trip, so I'm

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not, yeah, I would not cry poor, but

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yeah, it was up a modest dupree. When

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I'm very proud of and one I'd like to

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pass on to my kids as well.

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How old were you when you got interested

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in politics? What were you like

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in high school? Well, I

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was a scrappy killed.

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Origin and I got if you're a bull shares

8:02

tendinitis my shoulder, which made it

8:04

impossible for me to do

8:06

any amateur wrestling or football

8:09

or any other sports that I enjoy it.

8:11

Then I get home from school and he bored out of my

8:13

skull. My mom used to go

8:15

in a ten progressive conservative

8:17

meetings. In size, what

8:19

do you take me to Wendy's meetings,'cause cause I got nothing

8:21

to do? Then she took me and fell

8:23

in love with a night of started. Reading

8:26

books are all kinds about

8:28

know God you don't lose our physicist

8:31

I still recovering from all and.

8:34

"The war in the world, where are you try to do

8:36

conservatism because that's not a particularly

8:39

what would you say it's not necessarily an attractive

8:41

proposition for the typical young person,

8:43

although?" You know, maybe something could be done about

8:46

that. Though, but what do

8:48

what attracted you to conservative philosophy?

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It was a bit of winding road, I started

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off by reading a lot of left wing.

8:55

Fox and commentary again

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was very, very briefly persuaded

9:00

by that, but then I stumbled on a book

9:02

called "Capitalism and Freedom" Milton

9:05

Friedman. And I

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know. i didn't agree with one hundred percent of what

9:10

he wrote still don't however

9:13

the fundamental logic of the free

9:15

market system The to

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me is inescapable. Okay, what

9:19

is that logic is for, as you're concerned? Why

9:23

they're smart, why is it inescapable? The

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ass.

9:27

In a free and open market, you can't

9:29

get ahead unless you make someone else better

9:31

off. So I use the old,

9:33

the an apple orange had analogy if you

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have an apple. Warning:

9:38

Orange, dive in orange and one an apple and we trade

9:40

were both better off, even though we still have

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an apple and orange between us. It's

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like when you go to a coffee shop.

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And you buy a coffee, you say

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thank you the. Then to the lady

9:52

you gave it to, and then she says, "Not

9:54

you're welcome" That she says, "Thank

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you back" Now why is

9:58

that well the answer is? Because

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each of you has something. As as gain

10:03

something more valuable than you had before.

10:05

You have a cup of coffee that's worth more than

10:08

the to fifty you paid for it. The

10:10

coffee shop as the to fifty and

10:12

why do you think they're free part about is important

10:14

to that's the trade part ways the free part

10:16

important? The as that, the

10:18

only way to guarantee both. People

10:20

sides believe they're better off. Right

10:23

because in uniform in taxation.

10:26

armament forcefully. imposes

10:28

transaction, it is considered to be transaction,

10:31

tax taxes, right you're paying for whole

10:33

plethora of services. That

10:35

you didn't choose it. So even if

10:37

you decided that the cost of your

10:39

tax bill? It's not worth

10:41

the benefit of the government services you have

10:44

to paid anyway. whereas back to the

10:46

coffee shop. You have to

10:48

the if you don't believe the coffee's worth more

10:50

than the money you won't pay off, and if they don't believe the money's

10:52

worth more than the coffee they want, they want

10:54

salad.

10:55

I'm so the only way

10:57

in a market system to make yourself

10:59

at her office should make someone else simultaneously

11:02

better off.

11:03

So why did you know lots

11:05

of young people know today? There

11:08

are not exposed to the ideas that you just put

11:10

forward or they don't find them persuasive.

11:12

Hey. In contrast to what appears

11:14

on the surface to be the more compassionate

11:17

left wing view that characterized frequently

11:19

and sometimes realistically, you know, by

11:22

concern for the working class like our. To

11:24

the NDP, when I was a kid, and at that

11:26

time in Alberta Grant, not Lee ran

11:28

the NDP and he was old union guy

11:30

in some fundamental census or most. Of the people

11:32

he associated with, you know, one day. They

11:34

did have real concern for the working class,

11:37

at least some of them dead, and I would say that was particularly

11:39

true, the leadership not so much the activists.

11:42

But. You know, you were pretty young when

11:44

you came across Friedman, didn't have that

11:47

experience when was say the same age as

11:49

you. Why did you find that persuasive,

11:51

in contrast to the left wing ideas, this

11:54

that are these of socialism, this rooted in this

11:56

hypothetical compassion that seem so attractive

11:58

to kids today?

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Because I didn't see the compassion

12:03

playing itself in India out in any are

12:05

real way, it was at it's a

12:08

catch phrase. But.

12:10

I'm what you got, what it will actually debating

12:13

is not who's more compassionate of there's no

12:15

evidence that people on the socialist last

12:17

or especially generous with their own

12:19

money sure. They like to spend

12:21

other people's money, but what you

12:23

see at is really I with socialism

12:25

is am an animal house

12:28

playing itself out over and over again. You

12:30

know when the? Animal. Farm it's

12:32

usually animal farm playing itself over normally

12:34

definite down and said Daddy a definite

12:37

difference animal farm, ah, you know, the

12:39

pigs didn't say they wanted to take the house. So

12:41

that they could be more comfortable

12:43

and spoiled are they said they were doing

12:45

it to make everyone equal and to remove the

12:47

oppression. Then when the

12:50

when they actually took the house, it basically

12:52

they became the new masters and serve themselves.

12:56

That's what you are, that's what actually happens

12:58

the socialism it doesn't eliminate hierarchy.

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So why did you, why did you buy that

13:03

argument, was it for as a consequence of encountering

13:05

or well as well or? I

13:08

think it's because witnessed it again and

13:10

again. them in a

13:12

as I was a study.

13:14

What actually happens in the

13:16

Socialist's models, it became very clear.

13:19

That the rhetoric

13:21

about? The economic equality never

13:23

actually came to pass was used

13:26

as a tool to mobilize the masses.

13:28

Ultimately the, outcome was

13:31

to give. concentrate

13:33

our more In the hands of

13:35

the political. We'd look

13:37

and government is really am

13:39

legalize force. So

13:41

if you believe in big gonna, you believe in expanding

13:43

force. Relationships force

13:45

always favor of the powerful. And

13:48

in real so, in reality, those who have

13:50

more political power, then benefit from

13:53

bigger government, and those people are all rich.

13:56

Right, they are disproportionately powerful

13:58

in the system and so when. The big

14:00

beast called government gets bigger and more powerful,

14:02

those who have the ability. To

14:05

steer the I that beast are the ones

14:07

we're going to profit from.

14:09

What do you, what do you think it's a success of countries

14:12

like the Scandinavian countries with while

14:14

and the relative success of Canada because there's

14:16

been fairer, solid, socialist influence,

14:19

more the English socialise type than that?

14:21

In a communist drive type, fear socialist

14:23

influence in Canada and it's form some of our

14:25

fundamental institutions, our healthcare system,

14:27

our pension system, fair bit

14:29

Labour legislation. When? You look

14:32

at and then, of course, Scandinavian countries

14:34

small, though they are and margin, as though

14:36

they are, they're quite radically successful

14:38

in function, how so

14:41

what what? What do you make that and the how do you, how

14:43

do you balance that against your emphasis on?

14:46

We'll have more conservative philosophy and

14:48

your support of the. The free

14:50

market possible in some sense.

14:53

Alright, so I'll let let's start with

14:55

it's the Scandinavians I'm in sufficient,

14:57

really uncomfortable facts about the Scandinavian

15:00

countries that the left would not like to talk

15:02

about, like, nor was twenty five percent

15:04

of Norway's economies oil. So

15:08

that's. really tough to grapple with if you're

15:10

a modern socialist I'm

15:13

moving. to the other countries ah sweden

15:16

Welcomes all kinds of free enterprise

15:19

and choice including in the provision of public

15:21

services arm, and

15:23

they have they impact in the in the

15:25

nineties the swedes moved quite dramatically

15:28

to reduce the cost of government And

15:30

open up markets and free enterprise

15:33

it's not as simple as to say that these

15:36

countries are socialistic and therefore successful

15:39

and, yet it was even the day one of the danish

15:41

leaders came to you tube united states and Speaking

15:44

at Harvard and damn, he was

15:46

saying, "You know, he was all the socialist

15:49

kids were expecting him to on his fist in

15:51

the air and" The and champion

15:53

socialism, he said, "No, actually we're

15:55

not socialist country on, and

15:57

so on, he, you know, there's no question"

16:00

They definitely do have a strong

16:02

social safety net I don't have an object to that

16:04

I'm but wouldn't say that they are state

16:06

commanded economies like we're

16:08

seeing Trudeau attempt.

16:11

to adopt here in canada

16:13

So you see this as variation within the free

16:15

market world, right I do is buy

16:17

area like there is between the Democrats and Republicans

16:20

in the U.S., but fundamentally it's a

16:22

free market. Everything is have a question,

16:24

degree.

16:25

I know there's a lot of academic literature

16:28

that show was that Garber

16:30

at the countries with smaller government

16:32

is share of GDP tend to have less

16:34

poverty. Better social

16:37

and economic growth outcomes arm

16:39

and that is true in both the developing world

16:41

and the developed world. I'm so

16:43

I and do believe that

16:46

you can provide solid social

16:48

safety nets. The same time

16:50

as having a powerful free market economy

16:52

that generates the well. To

16:54

find that and safety net.

16:57

Okay, so you got interested in politics

16:59

or were you a popular kid in high school, would

17:01

you say?

17:03

They. are going on there were times when I was interested

17:05

in hanging out being part of the club, but there are

17:07

other times where just didn't care went once

17:09

I" Got involved in politics, couldn't

17:11

care less about job, the social life

17:14

by at high school anymore, and

17:16

how old were you hold you and were you

17:18

would not transition took? Bioterrorism is also

17:20

got your sixteen seventeen now

17:22

like said wasn't. able

17:24

to do any or sports and so i said

17:27

You know, I'm and go do something else, and once

17:29

I took that part of my life took off.

17:32

The remote hours know I'd

17:34

had, like, oh, I've been what my early teens

17:36

I'd been, loved hanging out with my

17:38

friends and playing sports and stuff, but when

17:41

so once found a new passionate, I

17:43

became more focused on that.

17:45

How did that influence your choice of education

17:48

when you went off to university and that was at Cal,

17:50

did you say you ever see Calgary?

17:52

That's right, yes, ah, me I wanted

17:54

to do ab a generalist.

17:57

The Liberal Arts kind of program,

17:59

and so I did. International relations

18:01

were tried some econ. What a history.

18:04

Some strategic study is little bit poly side.

18:07

The'and and yeah. And it was good over

18:10

was good overview, jack of all trades

18:12

kind of. The actual or of arts. And

18:15

it worked well.

18:16

In was that in out in hypothetical

18:19

service of your political ambitions of that

18:21

porter had they catalyzed?

18:24

I don't know that my political ambitions were

18:26

clearly defined at that point,

18:29

I just knew was generally interested in

18:31

politics and that.

18:34

International Relations: We give me an overview

18:36

of almost all parts of

18:38

the pull out of that one conference

18:40

in a political in bar. Did you

18:42

have conception of career path at the time?

18:47

By me, not people don't, you know, they go to take

18:49

a bachelor of arts, they have an interest in I'm an

18:51

I'm not saying that career path in specifying

18:53

one is next year I'm just curious. Then

18:55

to what, how you envisioned your future

18:57

when you are? Pursuing your degree

18:59

and then what happened afterwards?

19:02

I'm trying to remember exactly, but I don't

19:05

think knew exactly what paths was

19:07

going to take, just knew that wanted.

19:09

The fight for certain

19:11

things that I believed him. And

19:14

that would that would probably

19:16

take me into the political theater. Where

19:19

you active and campus politics? Yeah

19:21

was involved with the campus what was then

19:23

that campus progressive. conservatives

19:26

and reform party The and

19:28

involved in the debate club and stuff

19:31

like that we sell place called Speaker's Corner

19:33

is like a three floors.

19:37

As balconies where people could look

19:39

down and some with stand on big stool in the

19:41

middle and shout out of speech and

19:44

they've speaker's corner would meet every Friday.

19:46

And they're be lots of heckling and it

19:48

was just rowdy affair and

19:51

but mostly and about hilarity

19:53

and joking around and giving silly

19:55

ridiculous addresses and,.

19:58

that was of that was the friday The nation we

20:00

go and. Help help you, speeches

20:03

or job centre and seventy or eighty students

20:05

would come in and taken these features, and

20:07

the Imax matter what if we

20:09

had the phone cameras back then

20:11

they'd probably be circulating wildly on

20:13

the Internet right now.

20:15

No doubt, God, what a horrible say, hey, to

20:17

have nothing to do when you're young, recorded

20:19

and never forgotten. Oh, yeah, well,

20:21

you seem to have a sense, you. Or about such

20:23

things, junior kind of viciously satirical

20:25

enough house of commons and so what

20:28

role the as they have any sense of humor plays

20:30

in what you do?

20:32

I think it's important try to remember

20:35

it because.

20:36

Politics

20:38

is a combat sports. The

20:41

bad. There has to be sent

20:43

joy in it as well.

20:46

In the after, make people feel

20:48

good at know the Rabbi Hillel. That

20:51

on people won't always remember what you do

20:54

or what you say, but they'll always remember

20:56

how you made them feel. And

20:58

driving it's important, make people feel good

21:01

or when you're giving a political speech, make them

21:03

for you know, there's tendency to get up and

21:05

through and spell doom and

21:07

gloom all over the room. Like

21:09

I think it's important to make people feel good

21:11

about the moment and also good about the future.

21:14

The end of the most powerful way to you is his

21:17

humor.

21:18

What is very interesting me because you

21:20

got a lot of people coming out your rallies

21:23

and not I should let everyone know who's

21:25

listening. internationally that's not really

21:27

a canadian thing there have been times when

21:29

that's occurred but it's not run of the mill but

21:31

you have lot of people come into your rallies and you've

21:33

been attacked fairly viciously fairly would say by

21:35

the press for the nature of the despicable people

21:38

that you're attracting you're know otherwise

21:40

known as canadians And so.

21:43

Wow, what is it that you're doing this, working

21:45

to attract people and is it related to this

21:47

sense of humor and to and optimism

21:50

that you're projecting despite his some

21:52

of the dire things that might be characterizing

21:54

the Canadian state?

21:55

I

21:57

think it's on. think.

22:00

People weren't are desperate for hope in

22:02

Canada right now.

22:04

These are, these rallies have

22:06

been really emotional about slight.

22:09

People

22:11

come with some incredible

22:13

stories. And I

22:15

do this thing after every speech, I. Like

22:19

myself in front of my sign

22:21

and just let everyone come up one by one and talk

22:23

to me and, don't

22:26

think the political class in this

22:28

country appreciates how much

22:30

suffering there is in Canada right now.

22:34

Now they did get Honk daughter out a lot, you

22:36

know, now it's pretty rough, yeah, because

22:38

they've had mean the political classes at wonderful

22:41

two years. David, at an unbelievable

22:43

amount of power.

22:45

And a tremendous amount of comfort,

22:47

all of their homes have gone up by fifty

22:49

percent in value. In

22:51

their stock portfolios up until recently

22:54

have been inflated and,

22:56

so they sort of looking at down at

22:58

the working class and saying oh what are you complaining

23:00

about isn't as you've never had it so good

23:02

well That's the exact.

23:05

opposite has been true for

23:07

of the working folks you don't own a home

23:10

Your I'm purchasing your he

23:12

like if you didn't have a home before

23:14

twenty nineteen. likelihood

23:16

as you will never own one. Unless and

23:19

until there's a major reduction in housing

23:21

prices. And so you've

23:23

got this whole generation of people of

23:25

young people. Who have concluded

23:27

the bill never be able to afford homes, their thirty two

23:29

years old living in their mom's basement, can imagine

23:31

the psychological impact that has

23:33

on someone's personal security. How

23:35

do you start family so people come to

23:37

my rallies and they're looking for an explanation?

23:41

About why things are that way they are.

23:44

Than looking for some hope about

23:46

how we might make them better. The

23:48

in the situation doesn't make sense to

23:50

people. The coast. I

23:53

wonder what perfect example.

23:56

There is a guy living the south

23:58

end of my writing so far away.

24:00

And he has the same

24:02

job. That his mother has,

24:05

and he had ironically works at the same

24:07

desk, but she worked out when she

24:09

was there. Yeah. He

24:11

was able to buy a house in South

24:13

ottawa Forty years

24:16

ago. That he could not

24:18

even dream of affording today. And

24:21

so, would he say I will say, "How does this make

24:23

sense thought we were supposed to be getting better off

24:25

and now, after forty years, our

24:27

family is far worse off?" And

24:30

I'm stuck in my parent's basement and

24:32

can't get married, can't start a family.

24:35

Hey, I don't even by you don't know where

24:37

my wife is going. So they're caught

24:39

the eye be seen the actual tight slain in

24:41

why this is happening and an offering

24:43

solutions. And they say

24:45

to me that I'm actually giving them a sense of hope.

24:48

That's the number one word I hear from people

24:50

when they come up to me in the land of ships, me feel like

24:52

we have hoping. That's was bringing

24:54

people out. Okay, so. You're

24:57

listening to people one of the things I've learned about.

25:00

The politicians.

25:02

And I know people think that's an oxymoron, but that's

25:04

not acceptable amount of cynicism

25:06

in my estimation. They

25:08

and I think this is really true of preston Manning,

25:10

for example, they're really good at listening.

25:13

And if they live and then people tell them

25:15

what their problems are and so you just focused on

25:18

housing. The housing crisis

25:20

for young people. When you're

25:22

talking to people, individual to individual,

25:24

what starting out your heartstrings and?

25:27

The "and" and making you understand the problems

25:29

apart or housing is a big one, obviously

25:31

what else do you hear and what's really concerning

25:34

you. People feel like

25:36

they've lost control their lives.

25:39

Whether it's the people

25:41

who. I made

25:43

a decision not to get vaccinated for their

25:45

own reasons and. Then.

25:49

Maybe government basically steal their livelihoods.

25:52

Prevent them from getting on an airplane. them

25:54

and forever leaving the country" Them

25:57

or whether it's the you're single. We're

26:00

skipping meals or kids don't have to or.

26:03

You know, the guy can't fill up his tank to

26:05

go and drive and see his parents for one last

26:07

time before they die and. The'and

26:09

and binder bay. Then. People

26:12

feel like they can't make the normal decisions

26:14

that free. Person

26:16

could make in free society.

26:19

The and. There's devastating

26:22

personal consequences to it and

26:24

then what they hear from the government says it will you speak

26:26

out right, they speak out the whole, the protests they

26:29

post, something on mine instead of the

26:31

prime minister saying, "You know what?"

26:33

I know you're suffering, I'm sorry we are going to

26:35

work harder to make your life better. We

26:37

hear you. I feel

26:39

your pain. What he says is. You're

26:42

a nasty, unacceptable.

26:44

Fringe element. An anomaly,

26:47

are we going to seize your bank account?

26:49

And bad bring in the

26:51

emergencies act. We're

26:54

also going to double down on the say

26:56

on the things that have made your life so miserable

26:58

and the first place. The end, so

27:00

people feel like the good are under attack

27:02

from big. Bullying

27:05

government that takes their money and

27:07

tells them what to do and what they see

27:09

and my campaign is that an opportunity

27:11

to take back control of their lives and

27:14

to remove the gatekeeper so that we

27:16

can build affordable housing too.

27:19

I unleash the for the energy

27:21

sectors are working class, can get good jobs

27:23

again to stop the money printing. Bring

27:26

inflation back down so folks

27:28

can afford sings again I'm,

27:30

and that gives them hope that there's actually

27:32

a better day coming and that's why we're

27:35

attracting so many people. So

27:37

why do you think? They say

27:39

so interesting listening to you because.

27:42

You know, your he, your narratives.

27:45

Center around the

27:47

individual. Individuals who make

27:49

up the working class, the working class

27:51

under duress and isn't necessarily.

27:54

them away in that you might. Regard

27:57

as most probable for a conservative. You

28:00

know, and so why is it so I think that's extremely

28:02

interesting and? In his upside down

28:04

world of ours, why is it though do you

28:06

think that people find you?

28:09

Capable of delivering hope and mean

28:12

there's other candidates on the conservative front

28:14

we should talk about out soon, but what

28:16

makes you credible on the home

28:18

front, do you think? In terms of your

28:20

what you're offering and who you are. Because

28:24

speak clear. Plain

28:27

language. That makes sense

28:29

to people. Though.

28:33

You know, I'm a believer in.

28:36

The using simple. Anglo

28:41

saxon words. That.

28:44

The strike right at be. The

28:48

meaning of our that I'm trying to convey. The

28:51

and.

28:52

Though I say things that people for, yeah, that

28:54

actually makes sense. Okay

28:56

what why is it wise inflation running rampant

28:58

in I explained to them in?

29:02

The rapid language. That

29:04

when you print more money, you have more dollars chasing

29:06

fewer goods, it leave it leads to higher prices.

29:09

A blog for Yeah that actually makes sense

29:12

isn't that we were taught in grade school and,

29:15

The explanations they get from everyone else

29:18

or a bunch of convoluted nonsensical.

29:21

The irrational. Excuses.

29:25

And so they, they

29:27

like, no direct blind style,

29:29

not because it's simplistic, but

29:31

because it simply true.

29:34

The what do you like about the political life

29:36

it's a rough life and you take lot of flak,

29:39

I mean it's obviously from

29:41

your bio, and think from the way you comport

29:43

yourself, it's obvious that you've got.

29:45

The the constitution to some degree

29:48

of a fighter. The which is, I think,

29:50

would say something lack some. What

29:52

is it about your, what is it about you

29:54

that attracts you to the political

29:57

on the? In terms of the interpersonal

29:59

domain. Talked about it, it's literally in some sense,

30:01

you know these. And you, you talked a little bit about

30:03

your care for people one on one, but

30:05

you like to listen apparently and like,

30:08

"Why do you care about the?" Ordinary

30:10

people, and why should people believe that you

30:12

care? Well, I think

30:14

that.

30:17

The what bothers me most

30:19

about politics in Canada is that there's a comfortable

30:21

establishment. That sits

30:23

on top. And governs

30:26

for its self. That everyone else

30:28

is expense. And that

30:30

the people who do the nations work. The

30:33

plumber, the attrition, the truck driver.

30:36

The police officer.

30:39

The have almost no share of voice.

30:42

I want to empower

30:45

those people. And guess, empower

30:47

the political establishment. them

30:50

and that's my mission is my purpose.

30:53

And believe in it actually do believe

30:55

in what say I'm a I truly

30:58

believe that would be ideas and the

31:00

political approach that advance our right.

31:03

Though. Having that

31:06

group as? Allows

31:08

me to persevere through. All

31:11

of the nasty nest. The

31:13

and the exhaustion of

31:16

political life. I

31:18

guess if you if you don't believe in it, then it just comes to

31:20

an egotistical vanity private, Jack.

31:22

Of which there are many in politics.

31:26

It it seems to me to be a opera

31:28

pointless life all you're doing is

31:31

trying to advance, try to keep your name

31:33

and the news and in high office as long

31:35

as possible, just to the you can say you were there.

31:38

I think you a cab of killing

31:40

political career, you actually have to have purpose.

31:44

And I do, my purpose is very simply

31:46

want to put people back in charge of their own lives.

31:49

don't want the state to run people's lives

31:51

anymore, want them to be masters or their

31:53

own destiny. Okay, so

31:55

let's drill down into that a little bit so. I

31:58

would ask you to things one. Then.

32:01

You know how uproot a put little

32:03

bit of pro drama in front of it, I watch

32:05

the federal leadership debate.

32:07

In the last election and I thought

32:09

the Conservatives lost before they open their mouths

32:11

because. They. Accepted the diagnosis

32:14

that was brought to the table, there were five topics

32:16

of conversation if remember correctly, and

32:19

two of them were basically progressive talking

32:21

points, no one was truth. And reconciliation

32:24

other was climate change, it was twenty minutes devoted

32:26

to the economy, you know, and thought

32:28

you guys made a big mistake because he left

32:30

the. The like the progress of types

32:33

defined the questions. So I

32:35

would say, as it may be, the diagnosis in some

32:37

sense is more important than the cure, at least you

32:39

know that you know we've got your finger on the problem

32:41

and so when you look at Canada. That

32:44

the moment. Water

32:46

are problems.

32:49

Well, that basically central underlying illness

32:51

is a monstrous growth in

32:53

the power and cost of the state.

32:55

At the expense of the agency

32:58

and freedom of the people. That.

33:00

Is the override know you can I then

33:02

give specific examples of how

33:05

that outposts lead to let let's just take

33:07

was just take monetary policy so

33:10

there's no way? Justin Trudeau could get away

33:12

with spending are all the money

33:14

he has the last two years if he had fuse

33:16

real cash because people would never

33:19

accept the. Many.

33:21

Thousands of dollars of tax increases

33:23

that it would require, so he has

33:26

basically turned our central bank into an hour

33:28

and eighty and machine for

33:30

an hour his spending they created. For

33:32

her billion dollars of new money in two years,

33:35

which has given us a thirty or higher inflation

33:37

and pumped up by boosted, have real estate

33:39

prices by fifty percent.

33:42

How does that compare to previous expense

33:44

expenditures by govern well, it's not even

33:46

there is nuts off the charts on if

33:48

you look at the balance sheet of the Bank of Canada

33:50

during the Harper area even during the great global

33:52

recession?

33:53

There was a minor bump in the assets

33:56

of health, which is represented, which indicates

33:58

that. You know how? Much of

34:00

money it was injecting was right now

34:03

it's shot off the charts, so

34:05

the balance sheet of the central bank is up something

34:08

like three hundred and fifty percent. The

34:10

and all that cash is particularly

34:13

ballooned asset prices in the best, the unspoken.

34:16

Store year of the everyone thinks about consumer

34:18

inflation, which is horrible as it is, then

34:20

there's asset price inflation. What

34:22

that's doing is creating kind of an aristocratic

34:25

economy. People with

34:27

the where the bigger the, as you had or before

34:29

the inflation, the rich or you've become

34:31

after it. The and. It

34:34

is almost like to be housing is attached

34:37

to a balloon as being lifted higher and

34:39

higher up and anybody was not every in the house

34:41

will never be able to grab it get inside

34:43

and. so we're but by the it

34:45

is all the results of this massive

34:48

expansion of money supply And

34:51

eyes so we were basically saying

34:53

transfer of wealth from the have

34:55

nots to the have yachts

34:57

is I like to say. Then. An.

35:01

End and a those in the got the managerial

35:03

class or the CEOs who's

35:05

stocks have been artificially inflated

35:08

and they've been able to give themselves P. B. O. share

35:10

buybacks. With with exceptionally low

35:12

interest rates they can borrow money,

35:15

in and buy back shares which increases

35:17

share value and gives them bonus if the

35:19

adverse folks who own mansions. And, protected

35:23

in neighborhoods that are protected by zoning

35:25

laws against anyone else move again or

35:27

obese people have done exceptionally

35:30

well The over the last two years.

35:33

And yet the people who are doing the nation's

35:35

work are now having their salaries destroyed

35:37

by inflation.

35:39

I'm, you know, and then, at the local level, you have

35:41

municipalities bringing our zoning laws

35:43

that prevent new construction.

35:45

So that you have artists like they're

35:48

visible gates, their gated communities. They're

35:50

invisible gates, maybe the be invisible gator's

35:52

government bureaucracy that prevents constructions,

35:55

we have fewer houses per capita than any country

35:57

and the G seven, even though we have the most land

35:59

of. The lot. So. What

36:02

I'm proposing in both cases, stop.

36:05

Printing money start building houses I'm gonna

36:07

tell the big city. Mayor is that

36:09

if they don't remove their bureaucratic zoning

36:12

rules and let builders bill that I'm going to

36:14

cut back on other infrastructure for. Because

36:17

I think it's gonna be in need, need something that

36:19

drastic to get these gatekeepers

36:21

out of the way and actually build houses

36:24

so that our youth have a place to call home.

36:27

And. Yeah, you know, but it's across the country ironically,

36:29

all of these big government interventions you to

36:31

hurt the most disadvantaged, only immigrants

36:34

come here as doctors and engineers

36:36

what they can't. Work in those fields because occupational

36:38

licensing or protectionism

36:41

on the day, the gatekeepers so I'm

36:43

I want to incentivise provinces to speed

36:45

up recognition of for and credentials so and

36:47

and. Immigrant doctor can actually work as a doctor.

36:50

Then and remove the gatekeepers from our energy

36:52

sectors we can build pipelines and do

36:56

dig for resources and become

36:58

energy self sufficient and.

37:00

then remove then gatekeepers and speech and you know

37:02

all about those are me know what the government now

37:04

pushing New censorship laws

37:07

on the Internet. them and

37:09

I'm I promise very clearly that

37:11

I'm going to get rid of all of those laws. And

37:13

restore our freedom of expression on the Internet,

37:16

so really what see his arm, the need

37:18

to remove the governmental gate keepers

37:21

to restore freedom, let people

37:23

take back control of their lives. So.

37:26

Let's delve into economic policy bit so the

37:28

only C. D. recently predicted. This

37:31

is lovely that. They wanted his autonomy

37:33

will be the worst performing advanced

37:35

the economy. Over twenty to

37:38

twenty thirty. And and three decades

37:40

after now. There

37:43

we are we doing very. "The country not

37:45

only under the liberals, we were doing that great

37:47

out before, under the Conservatives, as

37:50

well, you know, especially compared

37:52

to the U.S. s and many other" And many

37:54

other countries that in some sense or appears

37:56

and so. That's a pretty

37:58

damn gloomy forecast for it. Forty years

38:00

out, we're going to be the worst performing advanced

38:02

economy in the world. So.

38:06

What do you, what, what do you think the Conservatives

38:08

and see bubbly did wrong in the past? You.

38:12

Failed to stave that often, what do you think

38:14

you can do differently and maybe we can make

38:16

sure you're interested in how was a you're interested in deregulation,

38:19

especially when the housing front? I want

38:21

to focus in as we progress through this

38:23

part on energy in particular because that's

38:25

a killer. Topic: For every

38:27

one of the world at the moment, I would say so,

38:30

what are the Conservatives do wrong, what is Canada

38:32

done wrong? What it,

38:34

what have the Liberals done wrong apart from? No

38:37

printing money like mad men and. Then

38:39

instituting these arbitrary rules

38:41

and what do you think you can do differently?

38:44

Right well, I would respectfully

38:47

disagree on the conservative economic track

38:49

record if you look at B. O. Seven Finances

38:51

radio with yes, await own fine financial.

38:54

Crisis, we came through

38:56

better than any of the other G seven countries,

38:59

certainly way better than the Americans we didn't

39:01

have a housing crash here, we didn't have banking

39:04

crisis, we didn't have to pay lot of the single

39:06

bag. We had very

39:08

modest inflation, I don't think it ever

39:10

class for percent. And

39:12

don't think it was above three percent for more than

39:14

one or two quarters in the entire ten year period.

39:17

Harper was around and unemployment stage.

39:20

Relatively low you could buy the average house

39:22

when Harper left off to Canada was four hundred

39:24

and thirty four thousand dollars it's.

39:27

kind of hard to imagine that now i'm

39:29

back I'm on a pass

39:31

for to energy we,

39:34

need to repeal see sixty nine that's

39:36

the bill that makes it effectively impossible

39:38

to build and energy projects in canada

39:41

today Because he

39:43

had as introduced whole series

39:45

of sociological questions,

39:48

that. That'a into the

39:50

am. Process known

39:52

that make sense to nobody knows.

39:56

trudeau said that energy projects

39:58

are ah Gender

40:00

and balances and therefore

40:02

I'm in when if someone applies to build

40:04

one the after right, sociological

40:07

report. On what the what

40:09

the pipeline or? The

40:11

of mine will do our for

40:13

gender relations. War data

40:16

entry in addition to being sort,

40:18

of ridiculous am Pop

40:21

culture'so sociology. sociology A

40:24

editors is massive. The uncertainty

40:27

for investors because they don't really know how

40:29

and why a project will be approved or rejected.

40:32

And they don't have seven years to sit around

40:35

so they'll take their money and invested in other

40:37

parts of the world. That's why

40:39

the projects aren't happening we don't mind lithium

40:41

in Canada even though we have lots of lithium

40:44

in his electric car battery era.

40:46

era you know where but were importing

40:50

Maybe I'm from. china As

40:53

they actually get projects build

40:55

however. They burn coal to

40:57

refine their let the him so ironically.

41:00

We're. Just inducing pollution in other

41:02

countries when we buy electric cars

41:04

that are made Jack the and now who's lithium

41:07

is met by refined in that country

41:09

so we could approval. With the A Mine

41:11

in Canada, we could actually mine the staff refine

41:14

of manufacturing here, we have

41:16

the third biggest supply of oil and planet Earth,

41:18

a we're importing hundred. And thirty thousand

41:20

barrels of overseas oil every day.

41:23

The solution to which is so obvious, that

41:25

is that right next door to the St. John. Board

41:29

where we bring in the porto the

41:31

oil we have St John's Newfoundland

41:34

are is capable. of adding

41:36

another Four. Hundreds thousand

41:38

barrels of Canadian production, which you just approved

41:41

that production, the wicked fan foreign

41:43

oil for overseas oil from Canada

41:45

all together, and that would mean that the

41:47

dollars wouldn't. Be leading our country for overseas

41:50

dictatorships that would be staying here paying

41:52

Canadian wages instead. The

41:54

and natural gas we at one thousand,

41:56

three hundred trillion cubic feet of natural

41:58

gas and.

42:00

Know what you do, you know, you get a natural

42:02

gas onto ship, you have to freeze it

42:04

down to up liquid. What

42:06

do we haven't, General? Or weather?

42:09

You know and. job so

42:11

it takes a whole lot less energy to liquefied

42:14

natural gas in canada yet we have

42:16

is not finally an advantage for cool weather

42:18

finally an advantage [Enda]

42:21

And yet and we have also geographic advantage and

42:23

were the closest point of in North America

42:25

Asia as be see the closest point in

42:27

North America to Europe is his. New Finland,

42:29

so we have shorter shipping distance, less energy

42:32

needed to liquefy gas, and

42:34

yet we haven't can skip seated in

42:36

building single major

42:38

liquefaction facility in Canada

42:41

despite. The fact that and twenty fifteen

42:43

there were about eighteen proposed

42:46

projects so either prove those

42:48

projects we could be bringing hundreds.

42:51

of billions of dollars of an opportunity

42:53

to our people particularly or first nations

42:55

people but it takes getting those

42:57

regulatory gatekeepers out of the way The

43:00

let it happen.

43:01

What makes you think you can take on the

43:03

wall crowd in relationship to such

43:05

thing, so we could say well? Then.

43:08

What

43:10

about the planet, what about the climate crisis

43:12

you're going to turn back the fossil fuels you're going

43:14

to demolish the? The globe in

43:16

the next thirty years we should be moving towards net

43:18

zero, you're going to doom the poor to catastrophe

43:21

while you're pretending to elevate them economically.

43:24

Then you're gonna be like how did to ribbons

43:26

by that crowd and so? Let's

43:29

talk about climate change in the Paris accords

43:31

and all that you we want to promote, you

43:33

want to promote Canadian energy.

43:36

There's a foreign policy reason for doing that, you

43:38

made case for liquefy occasion.

43:40

Like exactly what she Canada's position be

43:42

in relationship to climate change and then

43:44

the development of our energy infrastructure. The

43:48

our resources are not the problem there, the

43:50

solution.

43:51

The, for example, we export are natural

43:53

gas we can displace.

43:56

For and. Coal burning electricity.

43:59

The answer? Energy hungry Asian markets

44:01

are desperate. For non poll

44:04

sources of electricity. They

44:06

need things like natural gas to

44:08

replace it about call with or,

44:10

and that we have that gas we also have

44:12

the biggest supply of civilian grade uranium.

44:15

In the world ratings to sketch one that can be

44:17

used to export to regenerate

44:20

emissions, free pollution free.

44:22

Nuclear energy, we have an over

44:24

abundance of hydroelectricity in manitoba

44:27

and to back that we could be exporting

44:30

to the northern United States to displace their

44:32

coal fired electricity. We

44:34

have we could be using for small, modular

44:36

nuclear reactors. Two

44:39

and decarbonise the electrical grid

44:41

to for the oil sands. And

44:43

guy and we have that

44:45

the ability to do that right here in

44:47

Canada, we have carbon, carbon

44:49

capture and storage. The

44:52

techniques in our problem province

44:54

of Alberta are second to none. There

44:57

are some, you know, why Cap Resources

44:59

a midsize company there. It

45:01

says that the it's actually an hour carbon negative

45:04

company in other words, they bury more carbon.

45:06

The ground and they put into the air. them

45:09

and so we have the technology

45:11

and the resources to do and what we're right now,

45:13

what we're doing is punishing" Our

45:16

own resource sector to the advantage.

45:19

The heavily polluting foreign dictatorships

45:21

with no environmental standards

45:24

are and who use the money to great

45:26

now. And so we would

45:29

be better off to displace their energy

45:31

with our is. "The'and and use

45:33

that as method of chair fighting for the

45:35

environment while and it has to the wellbeing

45:37

of are working class at same time"

45:40

Also, it is optimistic view is true,

45:42

which is a view that basically says, in some

45:44

sense, we can have our cake and share with others

45:46

and needed to right because we can make progress

45:48

on the economic front and on the climate front.

45:52

Are you at the same time and I would

45:54

like to point out that America's third

45:56

A natural gas has not their carbon dioxide

45:58

output substantially? Down over the last fifteen

46:01

years, which is not a statistic you hear

46:03

from this typical environmentalist's types,

46:05

okay, so of with the world could turn to Canadian

46:07

energy and as consequence the net

46:09

caught the net impact on the carbon economy

46:12

would be positive. In in

46:14

meaning, reduce reducing carbon dioxide

46:17

output. And. We could get wealthier

46:19

and doing so, then why in the world aren't

46:21

the liberals already doing this if the if the path

46:24

with forward is so clear and there are concerned?

46:26

About the environment in some genuine

46:28

sense and also let's say secondarily world

46:30

economic matters. Is there something

46:33

wrong with your reasoning that they know

46:35

that's made this impossible, or what, how

46:37

do you understand the fact that this is already

46:39

happening?

46:42

You know it, it is hard to understand, I

46:44

think that job. It goes

46:46

in line to their, their'a detrimental. detrimental

46:49

Policy see more designed to give

46:51

the state more control of the economy.

46:54

Then they are designed to

46:56

deliver environmental out. They

46:59

in the by attacking the energy

47:02

sector. It gives them the ability

47:04

to create more of a command and control

47:06

economy what they believe in. The

47:09

end. Who are redistribute

47:11

wealth? Between industries.

47:14

The towards political friends. In

47:17

in very poor parasitical manner.

47:20

The, but you know we have total.

47:23

Not as our Environment Minister

47:25

right now, stuff and yobo. He

47:28

is bonkers. And

47:30

he he's. against

47:32

nuclear

47:34

If not just oil and gas he would he would get rid

47:36

of nuclear as well so I.

47:38

don't know what would be left you can't call you know

47:40

all you have to do to get electricity

47:42

is put a plugin the walls etc it's

47:45

now did comes did know that kind of or

47:47

know i'm oversaw like oversaw to get here i don't

47:49

know either and yeah

47:52

So why it is quite a mystery to me,

47:54

all of this the fact that I

47:56

could do believe, at least to some

47:59

degree that. "The reality that you put

48:01

forward is actually valid that we

48:03

could have our cake and eat it too", said, certainly

48:05

think the Americans have managed out. They

48:07

turned to fracking and. Don't

48:10

have become a net importer exporter of fossil

48:12

fuel, I can see that that's done the damn world

48:14

one bit of harm and. Well,

48:16

in a situation with Russia is one

48:18

of the things that shows just how foolish we are

48:20

in depending on. Though countries

48:22

other than face standard,

48:25

reliable forward moving. The

48:28

stable. Democracy is like

48:30

Canada. So be

48:32

lovely if that could all. Workers, okay,

48:34

so let's turn away from economic policy just for

48:36

moment, why do you think the press

48:39

in Canada? So

48:42

he likes you to such degree. There

48:44

are there are exceptions to that rule.

48:47

There are exceptions then I can find

48:49

the independent media gives me a fair

48:51

shake but. ah

48:54

and there are some All ama's

48:56

even in the mainstream publications

48:59

that are fair. The'and and reasonable.

49:02

Right, the political media

49:04

in the Parliamentary Press Gallery are

49:06

part of the establish. That

49:09

that assigns me threatening. The guys,

49:11

I'm upsetting the Apple cart. They

49:14

are part of the ecosystem

49:16

of big government.

49:18

I'm they in men being when it comes to the CBC,

49:20

they are big government, their

49:22

entire and budget comes

49:25

from government. The and

49:27

the corporate.

49:28

Only. My mobile or we might want to tell our

49:30

international listeners and the others

49:33

just how big a subsidy the cbc

49:35

gets every year and what the cbc is

49:38

and then we. Can talk about media subsidies,

49:40

general and the collusion between the federal

49:42

government and the Canadian media establishment,

49:45

so they are, we start with CBC, it's one

49:47

point: two billion A. Year he got right in that

49:49

range, yes, one point, two billion to produce negligible

49:52

audience of very, very small

49:54

audience and produce almost

49:56

no original content

49:58

that you couldn't find. Some.

50:00

Morales might, be but what

50:02

this does this creates a massive state

50:04

funded The ecosystem. The

50:07

and. The even the journalist

50:09

who don't work for C.B.C. b c

50:11

"They get these contracts to comment on

50:13

CBC this, they go on these panels

50:16

and they get paid", i'm told three

50:18

four, five hundred bucks a pop to go and offer

50:20

their opinion. Than this,

50:22

so as a result, they all want to regurgitate

50:25

the acceptable state. The

50:27

generated opinion. And

50:30

then the bay area. so

50:32

you basically create The monolithic.

50:35

The ideology and political

50:38

narrative. A. That comes

50:40

from the center of the government and is designed

50:42

to uphold the Trudeau

50:44

government to keep them in power for as long

50:46

as possible and so, yeah, I'm running.

50:49

"Against that, and it is that going to be hard absolutely,

50:51

they're going to do everything they can do to tear me apart"

50:54

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52:42

What do you define the CBC

52:44

Avenue made that claim you, you absolutely

52:47

would do that, yes, even okay, so let me push

52:49

back against out for bit, okay, because

52:52

this is important question to because I'm not very

52:54

fond of the CBC, especially?

52:57

It's managed itself over the last

52:59

decade, let's say I used to watch a lot

53:01

when I was a kid I used listen to cbc Radio

53:03

a lot to, and I thought it was a reasonably

53:05

credible and reliable purveyor of information.

53:08

I think there was those days are long gone. In.

53:11

Any case many conservative

53:13

politicians in Canada have made

53:16

gestures in that direction know,

53:18

and then the people who are gonna come after,

53:20

yeah, going to say, "Well, you know you're" Not a fan

53:23

of Canadian culture and because of the overwhelming

53:25

influence the United States and. "The

53:27

media we need to subsidize Canadian

53:30

journalistic in it and entertainment

53:32

activities because otherwise we'll have nothing at all

53:35

and" Generally, what happens is the

53:37

CBC continues to survive

53:40

regardless of government, so what makes

53:42

you what makes you think you do it? How

53:45

do you think you could survive and this is back

53:47

to that question before rights, how do you

53:49

think you can push back against the wall types

53:51

who are so good at savaging reputation

53:54

and interfering with the kind of? Wow,

53:56

policies that you're trying to put forward. Though.

54:00

The on the cbc there was a time

54:02

when you could make an argument for.

54:04

The market failure you could say,

54:06

what here we are, American culture

54:09

is so massive, a noisy. Then.

54:12

Impeding, if with it is like trying to have an argument

54:14

with marching band. Right, it's just

54:16

so loud and it'll just drowned

54:19

out everything in Canada, but adapt

54:21

that was only the case because.

54:24

The mass of cost of. Ducks

54:26

and distribution. Made

54:29

it very hard for Canadian Challenge.

54:32

weaving get on with the airwaves

54:34

without some assistance but,

54:36

now there are almost

54:39

there are with like the caught the cost of production

54:41

and distribution of culture

54:44

The information and content

54:46

is negligible, I mean, any

54:48

teenager we are. The

54:51

know seven or eight hundred bucks. They

54:53

can use his or her phone. To

54:56

start producing content quarter online,

54:58

of people want to see it. The like

55:01

the already disgraced university professor

55:03

let's have it by. debt

55:06

know it made him look like the reality is

55:08

that Then. You know if you

55:10

had a preview if you were Canadian

55:12

artist in Nineteen Eighty you

55:14

didn't have the capital to compete

55:16

with Hollywood now you'd actually don't

55:18

need lot of capital to. and

55:21

so with free and open internet

55:23

i a anyone can break for as

55:25

long as they have willing audience The

55:28

reason that C.B. b C.'s content

55:30

require subsidy. There's not

55:32

because of some market failure. Because

55:35

it's not appealing to Canadians.

55:38

That gives Canadians are smart

55:40

enough to appreciate it, you know, well, that's

55:42

the narrative writers, it's that you know that,

55:44

and that's the irony about the Canadian media today.

55:46

They think their job. The

55:49

to hold people accountable to

55:51

the government. Rather than the government

55:54

accountable to people. Then

55:56

what about other media subsidies,

55:58

what's your policy on that because of the? Cold

56:00

it in particular, but over the last few years, you

56:02

know. Obviously, print journalists

56:04

have taken a beating from the Internet because

56:07

while for the same breezes you just outlined. I

56:09

mean it. Where do you think? Is

56:11

there a rule for the sub's the of the press

56:13

in Canada? And if there is role,

56:16

what is it and if not what would you

56:18

do?

56:19

Well, I haven't, yeah, leave

56:21

the Trudeau policies are. Definitely

56:24

designed to. They

56:26

basically make the entire media apparatus

56:29

dependent on the good well and. The

56:31

good I'm get a good well of

56:33

the state. They have A. The

56:37

government job bureaucracy that

56:39

determines what is considered to be qualified.

56:42

Journalistic. The company.

56:45

And babe pick and choose

56:47

based. on their own political views

56:49

who then qualifies and therefore gets therefore

56:51

subsidy I think

56:53

this is designed to.

56:56

Again, create more dependency

56:58

on the government and curry more favor

57:01

with the states. Then. haven't

57:03

made an announcement on exactly how I'm going to fix

57:06

that problem, yeah. What have,

57:08

but were guess would say, stay tuned on that,

57:11

will, want to be politicized.

57:14

The that and basically you

57:16

restore the freedom of the class in this country

57:19

again on. by getting the state

57:21

out of it

57:22

There you're at least philosophically opposed

57:25

to the idea of. Let's

57:27

call it government press collusion, cough

57:29

and might take see that part of the problem

57:31

is I think that once you obtain power,

57:34

let's say. The temptation.

57:37

You have the media under your thumb

57:39

in some sense as a consequence of such

57:41

subsidies you can see how that would tempt

57:44

people. Right, I think it's very

57:46

useful to be cognizant of the

57:48

sorts of temptations that do be set

57:51

some once as the. The

57:53

choir, a position of authority and power.

57:55

And this is why want to push hard on the C.B.C.

57:57

issue c because it's a signal issue of decor.

58:00

The dramatic move to defund the CBC

58:02

it because it has been standard

58:04

bearer and some sense of the whole vision

58:06

of Canadian culture. So. That

58:09

would that would send powerful message

58:11

like if they do have such

58:13

an incredibly loyal audience, then

58:16

they can support themselves through their audience,

58:19

like other room institutions, do

58:21

I mean? You know there are.

58:24

There was other journalistic organizations

58:26

that support themselves through subscription

58:28

sponsorship advertising.

58:31

The other means. And I

58:33

think that's what we, what we need to do with

58:35

CBC, if a genuinely have an audience.

58:38

Then they can go get support from their audience, I

58:40

don't, know, there's lots of publications

58:42

to which subscribe, don't ask the taxpayer.

58:44

The pay for my subscription. I

58:47

pay for that of my pocket and watch either

58:50

that or is suffer the advertising. But

58:53

don't expect that other people are going to pay

58:55

for me. Who are consumed

58:58

the media that like, so why should have,

59:00

why should other Canadians be forced to pay? For

59:03

this far left out liberal

59:05

propaganda, that that. Makes

59:07

up most of cbc News coverage. Alright?

59:10

Well, be it'll be interesting to see

59:12

what or who comes that should make guy is

59:14

even more friends on the journalistic front

59:16

self, but you know a joke about. Hundreds yen at a,

59:18

they're not going to be friends, Paris, the way

59:21

that's the thing people say, well, you're going to you, you're picking

59:23

fight with cbc they're gonna come. After

59:25

you in the next election, will they went after Harper,

59:27

they went after sheer, they went after oh, tool

59:30

we found is that by not

59:32

proposing? You define

59:34

them, they're just as vicious or

59:37

as they were, what would otherwise be at campaign

59:39

full time to get Justin Trudeau elected

59:41

Prime Minister even though Harper had

59:44

run ten year government without the funding.

59:46

Oh, yeah, they're going to come out the guns,

59:49

blazing, I know that they would do that even

59:51

if were taking the principled stand on

59:53

be funny.

59:55

Right to showcase, so that's good,

59:57

that's a good point you've got nothing to lose on

59:59

that front. In some sense, so that's problem

1:00:01

with depriving people of there's of

1:00:03

their sport for you, you know? You

1:00:05

can't take anything away, wouldn't there's nothing there to begin

1:00:08

with other literally, okay, so let's say

1:00:10

if you don't mind on? The

1:00:12

turn the trudeau and to sing either

1:00:15

you're too. Wow,

1:00:17

the to people who will you will be facing

1:00:19

off against in some real sense and you

1:00:21

do face off against quite regularly in the house.

1:00:24

What

1:00:26

do you think of Mister Trudeau? Though

1:00:30

I think he's an egomaniac.

1:00:33

The doing everything he does is

1:00:35

comes back to his egomania.

1:00:38

Some even his political ideology,

1:00:40

you really think about his ex, the

1:00:42

ski expansionist stick role of

1:00:44

the state. It

1:00:47

never comes back to. You're

1:00:51

being. An individual. Objective

1:00:54

other than to make him. More

1:00:56

powerful or his legacy. More

1:01:00

a gland. So let me give you two examples,

1:01:02

so he.

1:01:05

If he averaged slash the

1:01:07

amount you can put into a tax free savings account.

1:01:09

Then you simultaneously

1:01:12

increase the amount you were forced to pay into

1:01:14

the state savings plan. Then.

1:01:18

The old multiple pipelines

1:01:21

money invested state money. In

1:01:24

a pipeline. He

1:01:26

kept parent's ability to take care of

1:01:28

their own children by it's by removing taxol

1:01:31

baroness for families the state on parent.

1:01:33

Then he brings in government

1:01:36

program to replace it. So.

1:01:39

What what you're seeing their as you say was that sounds like these

1:01:41

are utterly inconsistent positions in the ASs

1:01:43

know they're not they're all very consistent in

1:01:45

all cases, what he? Does this takes away

1:01:47

the ability of business for individuals,

1:01:50

for families, to do things for themselves, and

1:01:52

it requires they do things for him and for the state?

1:01:55

The and. And and then the

1:01:57

his ideology is always about.

1:02:00

Reading. A pretext.

1:02:03

In order to justify. The

1:02:06

state.

1:02:07

garnering more control over every aspect

1:02:09

of your life, your is how you raise your kids,

1:02:12

how your business functions or what

1:02:14

you see and say on the Internet.

1:02:16

He believes the state has to be everywhere, always,

1:02:18

but that's because as the

1:02:21

as King Louis with, say

1:02:23

later, same one that the state is him.

1:02:26

Well, you know that that's okay so much.

1:02:29

I got a couple of things to throw it out the first

1:02:31

is, you know, I think it's very dangerous thing to attack

1:02:33

the man rather than the ideas. Your

1:02:35

make and eight was a rule of thumb. But

1:02:38

you're making case that in this case

1:02:40

that can't be done because there is A. Personality

1:02:43

trait. That is uniting diverse

1:02:45

policy decisions that isn't it

1:02:47

he single or radiological, even it

1:02:50

is in fact personal and so my sense

1:02:52

of Trudeau. Initially, I was very

1:02:54

upset with it with his decision to run

1:02:56

for Prime Minister because thought. Are

1:02:59

you don't know anything?

1:03:01

And you're attractive and you can

1:03:03

behave well in public and you and you

1:03:05

have a the. The charming facade.

1:03:08

But you don't know anything we're in any real sense

1:03:11

and there's no. There's no indication

1:03:13

that you do, you not particularly well educated

1:03:15

and you're not particularly complex, and this

1:03:17

is actually hard job but worse

1:03:20

than that. The

1:03:22

only reason you even. The Vegas possibility

1:03:24

of succeeding is because you have the same last

1:03:26

name as your father. So,

1:03:28

and any round, and I thought, well, how do you justify

1:03:31

that yourself because? The gap

1:03:33

of knowledge must have been painfully evident

1:03:35

to him. Then. Fact that

1:03:38

the Trudeau name you could you can say, "Well,

1:03:40

you know, the Liberal Party came to me, that is just

1:03:42

because they came to me and there wasn't another

1:03:44

person" That could win or the liberal side

1:03:46

and better or Trudeau Liberal, even

1:03:48

if it's a consequence of family name

1:03:50

than any damn conservative, let's

1:03:53

say, but. No,

1:03:55

saw it as manifestation of are really

1:03:57

profound narcissism, I think a reasonable.

1:04:00

The would have said. I'm not

1:04:02

prepared for this certainly not yet,

1:04:04

and I'm not the man that need that

1:04:06

there needs to be in this position. So.

1:04:10

I don't know what you think photos musings, but

1:04:12

that's how look the Trudeau and certainly haven't seen

1:04:14

anything in the preceding years

1:04:16

that. did abuse me,

1:04:18

have any of those notions.

1:04:21

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victory was definitely not a mirror to products

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one he's probably the least", was added.

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Prime Ministerial candidate

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in our history, the media just glossed

1:04:32

over so much of his why. To

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go straight to do to help him and

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protect him, it's almost like they built

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a protective cocoon. Around

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him and ah and

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you know the teacher he, had He

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had. Dressed up in

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grotesque racist costumes so

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many times he says he by his own

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claim he can't remember them

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all I, mean the average politician

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had done that once it would have been exposed

1:05:01

in that person would have been expelled from politics

1:05:03

altogether. bomb you

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know of but ah you know he

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he'd run or has middle class champion

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even that while he sheltered the millions

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sheltered inherited from his grandfather and attacks

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preferred Find all

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these things would have been front and center

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in the. The public sphere,

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had been anyone other than trudeau. on

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and but he was protected by the media who

1:05:26

still protect him because he really is

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there Ham candidate, he

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represents the political class. The

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establishment in Canada. Those

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who profit off big bloated.

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Iraq or see and regulatory states.

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are Upper Canada, Erica Aristocracy.

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them and he has he's deliveries use delivered

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mightily for that's why they're doing so we'll

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know my boss fight tooth and nail to keep him there.

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Why do you think he?

1:06:00

Was? And still remains attractive

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to a substantial subset of Canadians

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mean people seem to regard him

1:06:07

as charming and caring,

1:06:09

and I think he is charming and it in

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a kind of. shallow sense, but

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it isn't obvious to me at all that he's tearing,

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but he seems to play

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the part and he plays it well enough

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so that" How many people?

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This is true of people all over the world,

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certainly by the. By

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the app. So why do you think that

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is and? The, how do you

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combat that? Yeah, look,

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guy, he is charming, I won't deny that.

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And he's a good looking dude but.

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i don't think he's actually that popular

1:06:41

said people forget today Thirty

1:06:45

two percent of the vote in the last election,

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sixty eight percent of those who cast ballots

1:06:50

voted against him. That's

1:06:52

the lowest I read about the at the lowest

1:06:54

share of vote, have any prime minister? The

1:06:56

in Canadian history and before him,

1:06:59

the record was set. Yeah, I'm

1:07:01

in the previous election, he got thirty three percent

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of the vote on. You never

1:07:05

actually reached the height of the vote share

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that Harper got twenty lab. So

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way we sometimes we think he's

1:07:13

extremely popular guy because of the adulation

1:07:15

he gets from the mainstream media, and

1:07:17

in fact, he's not that popular with ordinary

1:07:19

Canadians what he succeeded in doing

1:07:21

to his credit. His engineering

1:07:23

a very efficient distribution of

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out so that with thirty two percent of the vote

1:07:28

if he got something like forty five

1:07:30

or forty six percent of the seats and.

1:07:33

that is the not need to cross he wins

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lot of them seats with few

1:07:37

votes we win few seats with lots

1:07:39

of else i'm fact the last two elections

1:07:42

conservatives have beat him "The popular

1:07:44

vote we just haven't got them in the right places

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so we need to win that's the change

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we need to make and I believe we will make in the forthcoming

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he's not a bible about my.

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sense to the federal government, what do you? Think about

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Mr. Singh.

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When he Iraq surveys on that radio,

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why to see exist you've already got

1:09:53

an NDP prime minister, a socialist prime

1:09:55

minister in Justin Trudeau? That

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means the Socialist Party has to try to figure

1:09:59

out what. Do with itself and, and

1:10:03

Radio sets of so far drag media

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said well then you'll just support Trudeau and

1:10:07

a coalition and.

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of the problem is when you go back to be lecture electorate

1:10:12

people are going to say well if you are part of the

1:10:14

same problem I had a gentleman,

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Vietnam, I was in soundly and

1:10:18

come back. Like long ndp

1:10:20

supporter. I'm very

1:10:23

upset with our life is the guy was telling me he's had

1:10:25

to reduce his diet to one

1:10:27

meal a day because food is so expensive.

1:10:30

And he was voting for the NDP Italy science,

1:10:33

the NDP formed coalition with Trudeau, the guy

1:10:35

who's caused all the misery. "The can

1:10:37

be very hard for Jag need to go to the people and

1:10:39

claimed that he represents anything other than the true

1:10:41

dopey and status quo" And I think

1:10:43

that in the next election, people will be looking

1:10:45

for a drastic departure from Florida. "Though

1:10:48

I'm Debbie looking for the anti Trudeau, I

1:10:51

do it, so what do you think of him on a personal

1:10:53

front, I mean one of the things that really struck me",

1:10:55

wrote saying, apart from his.

1:10:57

Unconditional support for Trudeau and exactly

1:10:59

the matter you described as that

1:11:01

he seems. The woman. stunningly

1:11:05

Singularly devoid of ideas

1:11:08

I haven't seen anything come out of the

1:11:10

NDP federally. They. Didn't

1:11:12

just woke nonsense that constitutes

1:11:15

a genuine appeal, let's say to

1:11:17

the working class, and I also thought that his

1:11:19

and we can talk about this to his response

1:11:22

to the. Truckers convoy was something remarkable

1:11:24

to behold, because here you had the

1:11:26

party, the putative party of the

1:11:29

oppressed working class. If

1:11:31

anything even. dismissive

1:11:34

of that protest, then the Liberals,

1:11:36

which is really saying something as true as

1:11:38

you pointed out, called the. The sword

1:11:40

units and bigots and claimed

1:11:43

completely falsely. Wait

1:11:45

for to lose of the C.B.C. that

1:11:47

the vast preponderance of the money that

1:11:49

funded that protest had come first from

1:11:51

the bloody Russians and then. From

1:11:54

now, like from the American Republicans

1:11:56

who are apparently, you know, trying to stage

1:11:58

a coup in country they don't even. Then. They

1:12:00

didn't even really on their radar for

1:12:02

reasons that no one's been able to. I

1:12:06

was in the states, you know, for three months, went to

1:12:08

fifty cities in the last three months. And

1:12:11

talk during McEwen a period about Says,

1:12:14

"Keep have kept asking what's going on with Canada

1:12:16

and I said, "Well, you're not gonna believe this,

1:12:18

but our government and our media have told

1:12:21

Canadians that" America.

1:12:24

Harry Republicans basically

1:12:26

tried to stage a coup to

1:12:28

destabilize or democracy, and they

1:12:30

would ask, and this was Democrats and Republicans

1:12:33

alike, they would ask them.

1:12:34

Why

1:12:37

would we do that? What possible

1:12:39

motive if we cared, which we don't

1:12:41

know why in the world would we possibly

1:12:44

wanted destabilize Canada's

1:12:46

democracy? announcer

1:12:48

That is well, I always felt.

1:12:51

The representative Canada in Nazi To

1:12:53

is always felt like was in some sense out of

1:12:55

my mind because couldn't believe that.

1:12:58

could prevent that. Complex

1:13:01

of ideas as a reality

1:13:03

and that there wasn't just something wrong with way I was

1:13:05

looking at the whole situation is so utterly

1:13:08

preposterous. Though. I'll

1:13:11

be back to Mr. Saying he didn't, he didn't support

1:13:13

the truckers and all.

1:13:16

No, in and maybe NDP as abandon

1:13:18

the working class. They

1:13:20

they become another party a be

1:13:22

elite, sir. The institutional

1:13:24

aristocracy. That

1:13:26

they represent Sham. The

1:13:29

those with some. The big salaries

1:13:31

doing managerial work. Yeah,

1:13:34

my many of whom have been able to work from home

1:13:37

with fully protected salaries

1:13:39

and. In arms for the last

1:13:41

two years I'm. just

1:13:43

fine with me there's nothing wrong with that having

1:13:46

that big there's no i don't begrudge anyone for having

1:13:49

Had that good fortune. Like

1:13:51

it's certainly you, if you are such a person.

1:13:54

Then you shouldn't be judging those.

1:13:57

We're protesting because they've lost everything.

1:14:00

Over the last two years. Then you would

1:14:02

think that your the NDP whatever actually

1:14:04

stood for the downtrodden. Like

1:14:07

that is not what they really believe

1:14:09

that goes back to where I was saying earlier like you were saying

1:14:11

shark isn't it isn't

1:14:13

it the last isn't a pool the socialist?

1:14:16

parties that really care about the downtrodden

1:14:18

and the dispatch the answers of course not

1:14:21

that is the rhetoric what they really care

1:14:23

about is about powerful state and anyone who

1:14:25

threatens the state is the enemy

1:14:27

and that's what we saw with jag me sing you saw

1:14:29

group of people were independently raising

1:14:32

their voices for their freedom and he said we can't

1:14:34

have that we're gonna i'm going to eat joined

1:14:36

with freedom and called the bunch horrible names

1:14:38

arm and that's what he did which is exactly

1:14:41

the opposite of what you're supposed to do if

1:14:43

you really care about working class be They

1:14:45

seem.

1:14:46

The the people who purported

1:14:48

to care for the working class,

1:14:50

and this certainly happened with the American Democrats

1:14:53

under Clinton. Seem perfectly

1:14:55

willing to sacrifice the economic

1:14:57

interests of the real working class,

1:14:59

the as people who exist right now to

1:15:01

some hypothetical utopian future

1:15:04

and every time push comes to shove.

1:15:06

The real working class takes a walloping hit

1:15:08

in the name of this hypothetical future

1:15:11

utopia: "You see that on the energy front

1:15:13

we talked about policy there and that's

1:15:15

certainly not only the case in Canada" That's

1:15:18

why it's like, yeah.

1:15:19

To show when he visited our home province

1:15:22

of Alberta. And yeah.

1:15:25

He, he, this is a saw the working

1:15:27

classes in the energy sector.

1:15:30

them and his son,

1:15:32

Ah. Randolph said,

1:15:35

"And" That

1:15:37

these are not sure. Members

1:15:39

of the cultural elite. And

1:15:42

he said Churchill said to his son. Yes,

1:15:45

but the elite are you are, but

1:15:47

the glittering stand that floats upon the river

1:15:50

of production.

1:15:52

Yeah, well, I think maybe that was part

1:15:54

of a backlash against the truckers, you know, because

1:15:56

these real people came out and said. The

1:15:59

or problem here. You guys, year.

1:16:01

The bushes down little too hard and maybe

1:16:03

you could stop do and at your fundamentally

1:16:05

violating our civil liberties and we might

1:16:07

point out that this is in a country that still

1:16:09

does not allow it's citizens

1:16:12

to travel.

1:16:13

Yeah, that's right, and you know the

1:16:15

what, what I think that the real backlash by

1:16:17

the elites against the truckers was up?

1:16:19

This idea that truckers?

1:16:22

I have no business. Going

1:16:24

to Ottawa and raising

1:16:26

their voices. That's that's the idea

1:16:28

that the elites were trying to push back

1:16:30

against, they want they, they think

1:16:32

that's the working classes should

1:16:35

just shut up and pay up. And

1:16:37

let the let the. Then.

1:16:40

The sports. You just a run

1:16:43

things for us and provide,

1:16:46

and we haven't with their, the population should

1:16:48

provide total deference to these. Institutional

1:16:51

elites are to just run our lives

1:16:53

for us and do what we're

1:16:55

told.

1:16:57

Now you stood up for the trucker, so now

1:16:59

you've had some time, it's been a couple of months

1:17:01

you've had some time to consider your position

1:17:03

and the. So can you? The

1:17:06

Army, what you think happened with the truck or

1:17:08

protest and then I'd like to say

1:17:10

Gray into the imposition of the emergencies

1:17:12

our? Which are? You

1:17:14

know, is grist for the mail, let's say in

1:17:17

terms of discussion so. How many

1:17:19

you tell me your response to the truckers

1:17:21

protest and convoy and where you stood

1:17:23

in where you stand?

1:17:25

So I just as said before the

1:17:27

truckers you been arrived on Parliament Hill.

1:17:29

When media ask

1:17:31

me about it. I

1:17:34

support those peaceful law

1:17:36

abiding. Crackers. Who?

1:17:40

Came to Ottawa, ooh? To

1:17:42

peacefully protest for their livelihoods

1:17:45

and liberties. simultaneously

1:17:47

condemn any individuals. Who

1:17:51

broke lies, behave badly or blockaded

1:17:54

critical infrastructure, think it's possible

1:17:56

to hold individually accountable.

1:17:59

Then. That he had bad actors without

1:18:01

a plot painting every single person

1:18:04

with the same brush, if you went to any

1:18:06

for protests that had nine or ten

1:18:08

thousand people, you will find bad actors.

1:18:11

That doesn't mean that all nine or ten thousand

1:18:14

or on our themselves bad actors.

1:18:17

You. Know, for example, I was dying confronted

1:18:19

by a journalist the other day said yes, but

1:18:21

what about those journalists who sure

1:18:23

what about those arms those truckers that were

1:18:26

angry A? Journalist he behaved badly

1:18:28

or have conducted themselves correlate,

1:18:30

how would you say to them or said well as they

1:18:33

should be individually held to account for their behavior,

1:18:35

but you? You said, "Why don't you take some responsibility

1:18:37

for supporting because I said, "Well,

1:18:40

let me ask you this" Then you hold every

1:18:42

single environmentalist personally

1:18:44

responsible for the axe. Wielding

1:18:47

terrorists who went to

1:18:49

the coastal gas link pipeline

1:18:51

construction site and started to trying

1:18:54

to kill. The line workers

1:18:56

is every single person who spoken out against

1:18:58

pipelines take personal responsibility

1:19:01

for with those axe wielding terrorists dead.

1:19:03

The war or that you are, the are the axe wielders

1:19:06

themselves personally responsible and even

1:19:08

I. Would say

1:19:10

no.

1:19:11

You can criticize a pipeline, disagree

1:19:13

with you, you can criticize a pipeline without

1:19:15

taking personal responsibility for the

1:19:17

violence of some eco terrorists you've never

1:19:19

even mass. And so.

1:19:22

I walked around, saw that for the truckers

1:19:24

on probably go by the way those with you most

1:19:26

people weren't actually their, the media depiction

1:19:29

was total nonsense if you

1:19:31

watched it on television, you would think that it was

1:19:33

Armageddon.

1:19:35

Jordan. Every single member

1:19:37

of parliament that with that condemned the truckers

1:19:39

in the House of Commons during the protest had to

1:19:42

walk right through the taco truck recon.

1:19:45

If they were parked right up front, there was no way to get

1:19:47

him the walking through them and not one of them

1:19:49

were prevented from walking through. The

1:19:52

it was peaceful, it was

1:19:54

most of the time sort of a job you might type

1:19:56

celebration. them and.

1:20:00

People came and went to be walked around

1:20:02

on Parliament Hill, members of parliament

1:20:04

of all political stripes walked through the protest

1:20:07

every day without incident. And

1:20:10

yes, they've been worse at some for some businesses

1:20:12

word. The inconvenience. And

1:20:15

lost money, they should be compensated. Like

1:20:18

by and large, it was peaceful

1:20:20

protest. The people

1:20:22

who generally don't get involved in

1:20:24

political activism, their trackers,

1:20:26

they drive rock all day. Yeah,

1:20:28

they have things to do, mad and things, the

1:20:30

any other things. What your why didn't they

1:20:33

all go home after the first week? Gordon,

1:20:35

they had nowhere to go. Because

1:20:38

the government had taken away their jobs,

1:20:40

they weren't allowed to go back to their jobs.

1:20:43

You can imagine true, I just said we're going to lift

1:20:45

the mandate on the truckers they would have fired

1:20:48

up their machines and hit the road

1:20:50

to go back to work. That he took away

1:20:52

their jobs and their livelihoods, no wonder

1:20:54

they stayed there for so long and it was

1:20:56

absolutely unscientific and malicious

1:20:59

lucky. If anyone is a line.

1:21:02

Gonna spread virus is sure, as hell, not

1:21:04

the guy was sitting alone by himself all day

1:21:06

in truck. So

1:21:08

in this was never about. Medical

1:21:10

science, it was about political science, visible

1:21:13

demonizing small minority

1:21:16

or and for political gain, and

1:21:18

I'm proud of the fact that people stood

1:21:21

up and fought for their freedoms in that

1:21:23

job that case.

1:21:25

There is a contempt associate with

1:21:27

that on the liberal in the NDP side

1:21:29

that was really quite striking to see, like really,

1:21:31

quite mind boggling to see and. No.

1:21:34

I the only thing that struck me about the truckers

1:21:36

because talked quite a few of them also publicly

1:21:38

when the protest was occurring and

1:21:41

suggested near the time when they.

1:21:43

Did decide to leave that they should probably

1:21:45

leave because the crazies we're going to

1:21:47

show up and cause trouble, cause I think if you

1:21:49

occupy anything if you protest long enough.

1:21:51

And the people who want to cause

1:21:53

trouble are going to gravitate and think they left

1:21:56

boat exactly when they should. Did

1:21:58

they reached a lot of their goals? I mean, first

1:22:00

of all, they did blow up the Conservative

1:22:03

Party, which hope they did exactly intend

1:22:05

to, but that wasn't nothing. Then.

1:22:07

Also, arm or maybe you disagree

1:22:09

with that interpretation, but also

1:22:12

Canada really started to move on the mandate

1:22:14

front pretty much as the same time the

1:22:16

truckers jumped up and down. About it and so

1:22:18

I thought they did extremely well and also

1:22:21

think the world respond as our way because

1:22:23

that protest became immortal for

1:22:25

similar and peaceful and useful

1:22:28

protests. All across the world. Though.

1:22:31

What do you need, what do you think happened

1:22:33

to the Conservatives in the aftermath of the truckers

1:22:35

protest, my and my be into harsher? No,

1:22:38

look I'd don't know that there are so.

1:22:41

The direct link between the two. Then.

1:22:44

That. think,

1:22:46

yeah.

1:22:49

The by and large the concert

1:22:51

or he was a difficult political challenge

1:22:53

to talk potato for any political party to

1:22:55

manage. Batch

1:22:57

of I can't speak for our everyone

1:22:59

else in the caucus, manage shit or

1:23:01

commented on it, but am happy

1:23:04

with where landed. I'd

1:23:06

why push through the controversy

1:23:09

and stood my ground. And

1:23:12

I'm happy to say that have that my

1:23:14

position on that protest is exactly

1:23:17

the same that was before it even

1:23:19

arrived. In Ottawa. And

1:23:22

believe can defend everything did and

1:23:24

Cetera.

1:23:25

I'm gonna ask you one last question

1:23:27

I'd like to talk to you for about two more hours, but

1:23:29

we can't do that and I want to push

1:23:31

the patience of the viewers listeners

1:23:33

either. Let's talk about

1:23:36

the emergency that. So

1:23:39

what do you have say about that?

1:23:41

Well I. mean it mean it's ironic

1:23:43

that you're true to broaden the emergencies act

1:23:46

Your leg

1:23:49

or the border crossings were cleared

1:23:51

of protest. The only

1:23:54

you know with that the blockage of the border were wrong,

1:23:56

I said so at the time. Then.

1:24:00

Mapping said they had been resolved. By

1:24:03

the time for no actually brought in. The

1:24:05

emergency that. And so

1:24:07

what we effectively have that point was about it. Header:

1:24:11

eleven blocks in downtown Ottawa.

1:24:15

That were blocked by tracks. Now

1:24:18

put this into perspective, emergencies actress

1:24:20

award like a war measures act almost kind

1:24:23

of like martial law. The are lot

1:24:25

like it and we haven't actually done match

1:24:27

in Canada rooted.

1:24:30

in since this law was actually instituted

1:24:32

his father defuse father war measures act

1:24:34

two The cargo. Some.

1:24:38

Terrorist attacks by the five

1:24:41

are radical conduct separatist group has since

1:24:43

that time. You're not gonna even and

1:24:45

nine eleven. When pointy

1:24:47

for twenty five Canadians were killed.

1:24:50

The terrorist attack in New York. Or

1:24:53

when terrorist shot at

1:24:55

soldier at the war monument and then storm

1:24:57

Parliament, spraying bullets around.

1:25:00

In all directions or we didn't

1:25:02

use it then. And

1:25:05

so we we've never really use

1:25:07

this law, you would think that it would be us

1:25:09

in case where there was foreign invasion.

1:25:12

For monstrous terrorist attack. Or

1:25:14

something of that magnitude I'm

1:25:17

fat we never did, and then we

1:25:19

and forget it for this protest, I think

1:25:21

he ultimately. Where's

1:25:23

yeah, I'm just angry that he was

1:25:25

personally facing a political protest?

1:25:28

I didn't want to. The to

1:25:30

face the current the political consequences

1:25:33

of a democratic protest, he also

1:25:35

wanted to be as. A

1:25:38

malicious as possible to deter

1:25:40

any similar protests, so he actually

1:25:42

sees bank account. 'Cause

1:25:44

a lot of people to have fear. That

1:25:46

if they ever donated to the wrong political

1:25:49

cause that the state might freeze

1:25:51

their account and shut them out of business so

1:25:54

am I think there's a lot of Sam Biddle.

1:25:57

fear is fear powerful political tool I

1:25:59

think. That's what he was trying to invoke. With

1:26:02

the use of this act.

1:26:04

So. What do you think should be done about the fact

1:26:06

that he did, in fact, invoke a because this

1:26:08

is major league's suspension, civil liberties

1:26:10

lot this along with? The fact that on vaccinated

1:26:13

Canadian still can't leave the country

1:26:15

or fly within the country take the train.

1:26:17

The I see no excuse whatsoever

1:26:20

for the imposition those restrictions as of now.

1:26:23

It's malicious, nurse. The

1:26:25

eventual nurse, as far as can tell so.

1:26:28

How how is that ever going to be held accountable

1:26:30

when we have what's essentially a coalition

1:26:32

and place?

1:26:34

We always it's gonna be hard, I mean, think it's gonna

1:26:36

have to be voters that wall them to account for we finally

1:26:38

have an election. By to I'm

1:26:41

they will the know they've appointed as someone

1:26:43

who was a former liberal staffer

1:26:45

to be the. To to oversee

1:26:47

the inquiry into the use of the act I,

1:26:50

am i think yeah we need i'm consulting

1:26:52

with scholars legal scholars on

1:26:54

how we can The retail,

1:26:56

the power and limit

1:26:58

the use of the emergency

1:27:01

zach in the future. By

1:27:03

want to be very careful though,

1:27:05

and how I do it because I, you know, this is

1:27:07

an incredibly. Wind

1:27:09

instrument, but if you don't get enough in

1:27:12

times of war of our foreign attacks

1:27:14

or something like that. You can understand

1:27:17

why there might be an occasion where are these powers

1:27:19

might be needed. Then we need,

1:27:21

but do think we need to craft. Rangers

1:27:24

to be act. That will prevent

1:27:26

it from being abused for political purposes

1:27:29

like this again.

1:27:33

So ice said at the beginning, "I would

1:27:35

be mindful of your time and or private conversation

1:27:37

before we started, and we are unfortunately

1:27:39

running out of time and there" At least

1:27:41

twice as many things as we got to that I

1:27:43

would like to get to, and so maybe we can do that the future

1:27:46

so I'd like to give you the opportunity at the end

1:27:48

just. Wow. There

1:27:50

anything we didn't talk about today, that of signal

1:27:52

importance that you would like to bring up

1:27:54

today and close

1:27:56

with the would just say I'm.

1:28:01

You know, I think that we're divided

1:28:03

right now in Canada. The

1:28:06

ass. I'm a deliberate

1:28:08

strategy of divide and conquer. Then.

1:28:11

Governments that want to enhance

1:28:14

their control, they have to turn citizens

1:28:16

against each other.

1:28:17

And they have to make you afraid of your neighbor,

1:28:19

your coworker, your trucker.

1:28:22

Though that you'll turn to the stay for protection.

1:28:24

"Against your fellow citizenry" The

1:28:27

and. That the oldest written about

1:28:29

divide and conquer. The control

1:28:32

it is by it's definite by nature.

1:28:36

The visa of because it's a zero sum

1:28:38

game if one gets more control. Another

1:28:41

must have last. Freedom

1:28:43

me as. Not that it

1:28:45

is be quite the contrary.

1:28:48

If you, your neighbor gets more freedom.

1:28:51

You don't get less freedom, but likelihood is you'll have more

1:28:53

as well. If if your friend

1:28:55

has more freedom of speech, will you'll have freedom of

1:28:57

speech if you are? The emigrant has

1:28:59

the freedom to work as a doctor. Then

1:29:02

you'll have the freedom to have doctor if their local

1:29:04

small businessman has the freedom

1:29:07

to function without red tape.

1:29:09

I then you'll probably have the freedom to biased

1:29:11

products more affordably or your teenager

1:29:13

might get a job if the freedom at

1:29:15

job with. You know, if the

1:29:18

Muslim or Jewish gets more religious freedom,

1:29:20

then the question gets more religious freedom.

1:29:23

And that's why freedom is a unifying.

1:29:26

Principal

1:29:28

it brings people together because it allows

1:29:30

each of them to be masters of their

1:29:32

own destiny without taking anything from each

1:29:35

other we. fight over

1:29:37

control Where if

1:29:39

we fight for freedom? That

1:29:42

is the difference and, am I

1:29:44

believe, we can bind up the nation's

1:29:46

wounds by reinstating be?

1:29:49

In should freedoms that we inherited from

1:29:51

our ancestors. And

1:29:54

so really see my role is quite

1:29:56

an hour and an important one I'm here

1:29:58

simply. The story. Can'a

1:30:00

what we're already belonged to Canadians?

1:30:03

By virtue of their eight hundred year inheritance

1:30:06

of. The English Liberty is going

1:30:08

back to the Magna Carta. I'm

1:30:11

just among the of the common people

1:30:13

who are custodians of that freedom

1:30:15

while we're alive you had been, Burke said, "It's

1:30:17

a contract between the dead the living have yet

1:30:19

to be born" We're ago the

1:30:21

living generation has the duty. To

1:30:25

pass on that inheritance. And

1:30:28

that's what I see myself doing is there

1:30:30

to read a. kindle

1:30:32

that inheritance to pass it onto My

1:30:34

kid and so they can pass it onto their kids.

1:30:38

And I'll pass away and to

1:30:40

the. fade way

1:30:42

into the in the past one day.

1:30:45

Hopefully we'll have secured

1:30:47

the freedom. We inherited

1:30:49

for many more generations to come on that's what

1:30:52

mean when want to get people back control relation

1:30:54

the present, it's also. The

1:30:56

to extended into the future. So

1:31:00

that's my purpose, that's why I'm running, know

1:31:02

people want to support me by it. Here

1:31:05

for PM, dot C. A. The

1:31:07

years that fear for the number four.

1:31:10

The and dossiers how you can sign up, become a member

1:31:12

and do that, and I would be honored as people

1:31:14

support and this enterprise. Mr.

1:31:18

here. Earlier.

1:31:20

Thank you very much for talking with me today,

1:31:22

much appreciated, I hope we get a chance

1:31:24

to continue this conversation or. Many

1:31:27

more things that. It would

1:31:29

be pleasure to jointly bring

1:31:31

to the attention of Canadians. So,

1:31:34

and I would also say thank you for your. think

1:31:37

your courage in allowing me to do this,

1:31:39

you know, I've asked other politicians, including

1:31:41

some on the conservative side, and I've had

1:31:43

some. agree.

1:31:45

The to speak with me, but. Generally,

1:31:48

they seem intimidated by the span

1:31:51

of time that stretches out in front of them or

1:31:53

perhaps. No, not cognizant

1:31:55

fully of the power of you to dialogue,

1:31:58

but Tom. Then.

1:32:02

Well thank you very much for participating

1:32:04

and for talking to me much appreciated

1:32:06

thank you Dr Peterson I really appreciate

1:32:08

your prodigious, work

1:32:10

and the have enjoyed your books

1:32:13

and. look forward to continuing

1:32:15

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