0:01

3 , 2 , 1 , we're live .

0:03

Hello , what up Dylan ?

0:05

Not much . How about you , billy ? Oh , I'm living the dream

0:07

, baby , living the dream , just

0:10

me and Dylan tonight . No , kyle .

0:12

Now I get actual focus

0:15

.

0:15

Yeah , we actually centered the camera on us , Like

0:17

look at how legendary we are . Last

0:21

week was a good week , man . We

0:24

had Godzilla , this Godzilla X

0:26

Kong film come out and

0:28

Dylan and I actually had a chance to go see it . Midnight

0:31

release at 7 pm . You

0:33

know how one does Midnight

0:36

.

0:36

Yeah , I

0:39

really enjoyed it . I'm a huge Kaiju

0:42

giant monster fan and I love

0:44

Godzilla and I

0:46

had a lot of fun with this movie . I think it

0:49

is definitely a silly movie that you kind

0:51

of . You just need to

0:53

go knowing that it's not going to be like , you're

0:57

not going to think about it much , but

1:00

the action in it was great and

1:02

just the monster fights were so

1:04

good . In my opinion . You

1:07

get over . I believe it's over

1:10

50 minutes of monster screen time and

1:14

Kong . It's kind of I would say it's

1:16

more of a Kong-centered film For

1:18

sure , in my opinion , with Godzilla

1:20

making little cameos , but

1:23

Kong really gets to

1:25

show his personality off and then

1:27

Godzilla's just being a beast and it was

1:29

great .

1:30

What did you think of it ? I loved it . I didn't

1:32

expect to love it as much as I did , and

1:35

I had a great time with it . It was so much fun . I

1:38

wasn't actually put off that much by the

1:40

story . I thought it

1:43

didn't interrupt my enjoyment at all . What

1:45

I will say is this movie and

1:47

I think movies really should need

1:50

to get back to this this movie made a statement

1:52

in the first 15 minutes . Oh yeah

1:54

, it came out firing

1:56

and I was like this is going to be an

1:59

insane film . I cannot

2:01

wait to watch this . I'm so happy

2:03

to be here .

2:05

And it starts you off in the action . It's like , boom , you're right there and

2:08

um . I mean , the biggest complaint with all these

2:10

, with all these godzilla movies from the

2:12

um legendaries monster

2:14

verse or um , is that

2:17

they focus too much on the humans , and

2:19

they're I still , they're getting better

2:22

at it , but it's still too

2:24

much in my opinion . Like , just do the

2:26

whole movie , just do Kong and Godzilla

2:28

. Like you showed in

2:31

the movie Kong

2:34

doesn't speak , yeah , but his time

2:37

on the screen I didn't care . I

2:39

was like because they were able to show his emotions

2:42

and kind of like you know him

2:44

with the little monkey and then how you'd walk

2:46

up to the big monkeys , and it was like I didn't

2:48

need anybody to talk for those scenes

2:50

. And so I get that they

2:52

want , for some reason , the actors to be

2:54

in there to explain it , to have like a human plot

2:57

. But I just I didn't need

2:59

it I don't need it .

3:01

Honestly , the cgi was so

3:03

it was spot on . It was . It

3:05

was synonymous like the difference

3:07

in detail between them and and what was real

3:10

? I mean , it was just you couldn't even , you

3:12

couldn't even notice the difference . Um

3:14

, the sound , the audio quality . I mean we saw

3:16

it in imax . I think that should be mentioned because

3:18

, yeah , that I mean it was just

3:20

over the top , perfect in terms

3:22

of , like , the visual and audio fidelity

3:25

. Um , the fight scenes were terms of the visual and audio fidelity . The fight

3:27

scenes were really great . I thought the audio cues

3:29

were great . Godzilla's

3:32

scream was . I felt like they really didn't showcase

3:34

it . It was kind of muted a little

3:36

bit . It was more like it's a roar and not the

3:38

iconic .

3:40

Not the one from the previous movies . I mean

3:42

it is , but it's kind of They've toned it down

3:44

for some reason . I don't know why .

3:47

What's up ? Something Cool Gaming .

3:48

I remember specifically like and I've

3:50

told this story on the podcast before but when I

3:52

went to go see the 2014

3:54

Godzilla the very first one from

3:56

the Monsterverse when Godzilla

3:59

roars in that movie , my

4:01

pants shook Like

4:04

that's how loud and how like they

4:06

cranked that bitch up

4:08

my pants shook for other reasons , yeah but

4:10

this one it's kind of like in

4:12

the background it was on .

4:14

It was like , muddled with more

4:16

of like the other , maybe the music and the

4:18

just like the growl effect . I

4:21

don't know . It wasn't the iconic screech for

4:23

me yeah , and so it didn't take away from

4:25

it , it just I just noticed it . I was like , oh , that's interesting

4:27

. Maybe they're trying to move away from that sound

4:29

in this universe , or I hope

4:32

not .

4:32

I think they're just trying to kind of . The

4:35

one thing they're . My

4:38

one nitpick about godzilla is they're kind

4:40

of going

4:43

a little bit too much in the opposite

4:45

direction of . The complaints in the first film

4:47

were like you know , we didn't see him enough

4:49

and that when

4:52

he did show up he didn't do enough . But

4:54

now he does his

4:56

atomic breath so often . It's

4:59

like on rapid fire , it's like on rapid fire , and in the

5:01

first movie that was a big it was saved

5:03

. It was sick seeing him . You're like , oh

5:05

shit , he's got atomic breath right now

5:07

um , well , let's just so

5:10

.

5:10

Are we going to talk about the negatives , because I think overall

5:12

, we definitely loved it yeah , I would recommend go

5:14

watch . Yes , I guess let's get

5:16

into the negatives .

5:16

Yeah , godzilla spends a whole movie

5:19

charging up and like does

5:21

absolutely nothing with that well , and

5:23

the thing it's like I never felt like in

5:26

the last fight I never felt like either of them

5:28

were in danger . No

5:30

, like if you go like you can go watch

5:32

king of the monsters and you can watch

5:34

the first godzilla and um

5:37

, even kong , you

5:39

can go watch those three other movies , even

5:42

godzilla versus kong , all of those

5:44

movies I felt like one of

5:46

them was in danger , like oh man , they're

5:48

gonna die . This is like what

5:50

are they gonna do ? This one I was like no , they got

5:53

, they got this in the bag .

5:54

They're gonna fucking murder this little monkey

5:56

yeah , they had an enslaved like godzilla

5:59

version .

6:00

I don't know what godzilla ?

6:01

yeah , ice godzilla shima , which

6:03

was absolutely badass

6:05

and I thought that was really cool . But I

6:07

would have figured that she

6:09

would have probably tried to help that

6:13

godzilla and kong a little earlier than like

6:15

until the shackle was broken . I felt like

6:17

that was a little weird .

6:17

It was like it inflicted pain , but she couldn't

6:19

have snapped on him and just froze his ass

6:22

out , or yeah like support it and didn't go

6:24

like so gung-ho into trying

6:26

to fuck up godzilla or whatever well , and exactly

6:28

you said , godzilla powered the whole film

6:30

, like his plot point is

6:32

powering up , like that's his whole changes color

6:35

.

6:35

Yeah , like irradiating

6:37

radiation , just like fully

6:39

charged up and all

6:41

he does is blast the

6:43

like a stormtrooper misses

6:46

everything . Yeah , it's well , let's

6:48

talk about scar , the villain here .

6:50

At no point was I like over

6:52

the top , impressed with his authority

6:55

and strength I thought when he first

6:57

showed up and him and kong fought , I thought that

6:59

was a great introduction .

7:01

But then I slowly was

7:03

like well , how

7:05

is he gonna fight godzilla , mothra and

7:07

kong when kong almost

7:10

pretty much beats him one-on-one

7:12

? Yeah and it's like when kong

7:14

was pretty handicapped .

7:15

It would be different , I guess , in

7:17

my opinion , if they had , if it had been scar

7:20

as the leader and then maybe more warrior

7:22

monkeys or something like

7:24

that way it's a whole army of kongs

7:26

, but no , it's literally just scar

7:28

, like we . There are

7:31

other evil kongs , but they don't fight godzilla

7:33

at all . When godzilla

7:35

joins the fight , it's just scar and shimu and

7:37

that's it . Well , no , actually

7:39

, no , there are in

7:41

the zero gravity fight , but

7:43

they get wiped out easy , yeah

7:46

, and then , like the one , mothra just webs them to the rocks .

7:47

Yeah . And

7:50

then the one Kong

7:52

was going for like part of the army

7:55

was going for baby Kong , yeah

7:57

, and it made no sense . It was like what did he do to

7:59

you ? Yeah , he's like straight

8:01

up just trying to fuck up this little baby . They

8:05

had this intimate moment at the beginning of the movie where they

8:07

kind of give a nod to each other , like yeah , he's , he's

8:09

with me or whatever , and and you know

8:11

, we're , we're gonna be protected and safe because he's

8:13

really strong , or you know , kong is really strong and

8:16

he was like okay , okay . It was like oh okay

8:18

, they're kind of buddies , whatever , there's an understanding . Then

8:20

the next time you see him , he's fucking hunting down

8:22

Baby Kong . You're like , oh okay , he

8:24

betrayed him . I don't know what's happening

8:27

here , but okay .

8:29

Yeah , but like you were saying , though

8:31

, I didn't feel like there's any stakes

8:33

going into the final fight that would make

8:35

Kong or Godzilla Kong . He

8:39

just got a robot arm and then he just

8:41

kicked ass .

8:42

Fully upgraded .

8:43

Yeah , fully upgraded .

8:50

And then Godzilla he didn't need to upgrade .

8:51

He could have whooped their ass normally . Except his aim sucked this movie it did . But I think

8:53

that's that's my complaint of using too much atomic breath . I

8:55

think that needs to be used sparingly , because

8:57

it is cool but it has to , and

8:59

it's too op , but you

9:02

can't just use it like it's a machine gun and

9:04

Godzilla was .

9:06

Yeah , it was kind of wild

9:08

. It was wild , but definitely overall

9:10

I mean it was just one of those that

9:13

you're just it's a spectacle . Yeah

9:15

, it is a spectacle . I mean I loved .

9:18

There were so many good fights in it , like

9:21

the very beginning one with Godzilla

9:23

when he fights the crab thing

9:25

in the town of . Is it

9:27

Rome or Italy or something ?

9:30

I think it is . Yeah , it's Rome , because it's like

9:33

the Coliseum .

9:33

That's such a cool fight . And then the zero

9:36

gravity fight in

9:38

Middle . Earth is awesome In .

9:39

IMAX . I was getting like straight up VR like

9:42

. Disney World style , like thrill ride vibes . I was like whoa , oh

9:44

shit , disney World style thrill ride vibes .

9:46

I was like whoa shit . I'm just

9:48

in a theater and I'm feeling that the Rio

9:50

de Janeiro fight is

9:52

all right , it's a little bit like

9:55

it's one monkey against

9:57

three people and

10:00

he's a skinny monkey , scar . But yeah

10:02

, the

10:04

other complaint I would would say is the people . I

10:07

I just don't care for

10:09

him and I know god

10:11

, I know godzilla can have good , interesting

10:13

characters , because godzilla minus one has

10:16

like a really engaging story

10:18

of the humans . I

10:20

couldn't care less for these guys , especially

10:23

they're making . My one issue is they're

10:25

making jokes every scene .

10:27

It's like they're just trying

10:29

to get one to land and it's like okay . And their

10:31

purpose is to describe what Kong

10:33

is thinking and doing .

10:35

Yeah , they're exposition machines

10:37

.

10:38

I mean when a plot of A point

10:41

of character development is the fact that she got a haircut

10:43

, because you remember she was like fact that she got a haircut , because you

10:45

remember she's like I'm like , oh , I got a shorter hair

10:47

. Oh yeah , they mentioned like three or three times

10:49

. You're like , okay , all right

10:51

, but again , it didn't bother me , like

10:53

it wasn't . Nothing took away . I

10:56

felt like it was appropriately paced . I don't think

10:59

I could , I don't think I would enjoy

11:01

as much a movie of like full kong

11:03

and godzilla . I feel , like I would need some kind

11:05

of commentary .

11:06

Yes , but I what I mean by that is like , right

11:10

, Interesting people like

11:13

have you seen Godzilla minus one ?

11:15

Oh yeah .

11:16

Yeah , I did . You like his story .

11:19

Not really .

11:19

No , okay , well , I did . I thought it was interesting

11:22

, um , but yeah , get

11:25

me more intrigued than wacky

11:29

scientist guy crazy

11:31

podcast guy scientist

11:34

and daughter

11:37

guy

11:40

.

11:40

The guy is like trapper

11:43

, the foremost dentist who

11:45

like replaces a tooth and

11:47

then also just happens to

11:49

have a fully functioning automatic

11:51

, like atomic arm , to

11:53

like fire up and you know , help kong

11:55

out . I was definitely lazy , but

11:57

it was just like good , I don't want

11:59

to hear , I don't want to waste any time collecting

12:02

this , like just keeping the action , yeah

12:04

. So I I appreciated that because I was like I

12:06

don't need a 45 minute dedication

12:08

to them going and then the

12:10

shipping and logistics of getting that down

12:12

there like no , I know well

12:15

, like in my opinion .

12:15

It's already here great I

12:18

did like um godzilla

12:20

versus kong . I like those humans a little

12:22

bit better , like you have alexander

12:25

Skarsgård and then you still

12:27

have the little girl , but

12:29

I thought she was better without

12:32

special powers when she was just like the

12:34

girl that has a connection with Kong because they

12:37

lived on the same island , rather than she has

12:39

psychic powers , and

12:42

so I like that crew and I thought

12:44

that one was more cohesive

12:48

than this one I felt like the little

12:50

girl's character development was strange

12:52

, because it opens the movie and she's like I don't belong

12:54

anywhere , all my people are dead .

12:57

And then she finds her people and then , like her

12:59

and her mom , have like one conversation yeah

13:02

, like you're wherever you go

13:04

, I go .

13:04

Okay , you know it's like a throwaway comment that a parent

13:07

says , then they bring it back as an emotion and then it's like

13:09

the next day they go down and they

13:11

go and like experience all this .

13:12

She finds all her culture . She celebrated

13:15

, like this fucking princess , that she's

13:17

like the prophecy girl and

13:19

she's like no , I want to go back to middle school with you and

13:22

and it's like . I

13:24

don't know about that . You're

13:27

down here with Kong , who you have a huge

13:29

connection with . Why ?

13:31

And she kept asking he's lonely , I want to go

13:33

visit . Yeah , the whole movie . And then she's

13:35

like no , I want to go back to middle school

13:37

, what , what

13:40

? I don't know , man yeah .

13:47

And then like why was the podcast guy there To show the uh , to

13:50

show that some things need to be kept secret ? Because

13:52

he never posted his videos , that's right , so

13:55

don't , you don't need to film everything I

13:57

don't know .

13:58

I don't know , he

14:00

out of all the characters to bring back

14:02

from Godzilla vs Kong

14:04

, not him would

14:06

have been my opinion . You don't need to bring back

14:08

Millie Barg Brown either . Thank

14:10

God , thank .

14:11

God , I think she's been oversaturated

14:13

. I don't know , I'm not sold

14:16

on her as an actress

14:18

. Eleven

14:20

was , I think , a fun character , but it was like Stranger

14:23

Things popped up and then she just is in everything . I'm like , all right , I think a fun character , but it was like Stranger Things popped up and then

14:25

she just is in everything and I'm like , all right , I don't know about this . So

14:28

Godzilla or Kong . Who do I

14:30

prefer ? Yeah , I

14:34

feel like I'm a fan of Kong

14:36

. I feel like Kong has just every advantage

14:38

. He's so mobile and athletic

14:40

and can move so fast , and

14:43

I feel like Godzilla

14:45

, I

14:47

don't know what . I don't really know where his power and

14:49

strength comes from .

14:51

Radiation .

14:52

Well , I get that , but

14:55

like , functionally , just like if you

14:57

look at the physiology , I'm

15:00

putting my money on Kong every day of the week . If

15:02

they're the same size , you know like

15:04

one has mini arms . I know his arms keep

15:06

continually getting bigger and longer . Yeah , his

15:08

arms are now like regular size , but

15:10

like nothing like Kong and he certainly doesn't have the flexibility

15:13

like Kong and I don't

15:16

know , I mean Kong certainly can't swim like

15:19

Godzilla can . But yeah , I'm taking

15:21

Kong all day and I think Kong is fight

15:25

scenes with kong I think are more fun to watch

15:27

. I think it's they're , they're

15:29

you can do more like creative

15:31

shots versus godzilla's

15:34

, like wrestle wrestle , wrestle charging

15:36

. Oh man , oh , slight miss

15:38

, okay , I'm gonna wrestle wrestle charging

15:40

. Oh man , oh , it hit . Oh , you

15:42

know , I don't know . That's kind of my , my feeling

15:44

versus kong you can . I mean he was

15:46

like wall running this one . He was like

15:49

hopping around like you , like you couldn't really

15:51

much more mobile .

15:51

Yeah , athletic I

15:54

um , I

15:56

think I think they could do that with godzilla

15:58

, like not make him mobile , but I think they could

16:00

make his fights more interesting , because if

16:03

you go watch , like the first

16:05

one , um , him

16:07

doing the , the atomic

16:09

breath down the throat , like that was new

16:11

and that was so cool , and they haven't . Really

16:13

it feels

16:16

like they try and revisit it too much , like

16:18

they're like oh , you remember this and it's like , okay , but show

16:20

me like something else . Cool , right , because

16:22

that was I do like how

16:24

Godzilla fights , because he's a

16:27

lot more , he's not as

16:29

mobile , so he has to be very Tactical he has

16:31

to hit hard . Yeah , and

16:33

that's what always makes it fun with his tail , when he just

16:35

whacks people .

16:35

Yep , but again

16:38

it's like there's only one

16:40

real move with that , like tailspin , tailspin

16:42

yeah , tailspin .

16:43

I was sad with the zero gravity . That

16:45

was the perfect chance for them to do the tail slide

16:47

meme dude yes where

16:51

he kicked somebody . That would have been hilarious , I

16:54

bet .

16:54

I bet it was on like I bet

16:56

you they had it edited , yeah , twice

16:58

and they're like it's too too

17:00

on the tongue .

17:01

Yeah , but

17:04

so supposedly

17:06

the director , adam Wingard

17:09

, is the guy who made this one , but he said

17:11

that this one

17:13

was definitely Kong's film , more

17:15

Kong-focused . But if he

17:17

gets the chance to do a sequel , it's going to

17:19

be more Godzilla-focused version of

17:22

this . So I'm down for that . Like

17:24

I would love Godzilla needs version of this . So I'm down for that . Like I would love Godzilla

17:26

needs a solo movie . I think I

17:29

get that they're a good team together , but I kind

17:31

of do miss their solo movies . Like

17:33

I want it to just be Godzilla and just be

17:35

Kong .

17:37

Godzilla is too reckless . I

17:40

mean , he destroys so much public

17:42

property .

17:43

Well , that whole last fight they were just destroying

17:46

.

17:46

Rio Like Rio they were jumping around , rolling

17:49

like . How many people died

17:51

going through that you know Also

17:53

, I like how the subtle mention like there's four titans

17:56

on Earth at any time , like any given time Like

17:58

six .

17:58

There's like six yeah .

18:00

Like Godzilla goes right towards the one that like is

18:02

apparently the greatest energy source

18:04

on planet earth okay

18:06

, sure charges up , just

18:09

sits in his bubble of energy , you

18:11

know absorbing it , and like

18:13

, okay , why didn't you stay in that ?

18:15

I , I it's hard to find like the

18:18

power cap yeah of these beings

18:20

, but and I mean we're I

18:22

hope they get can keep getting crazier

18:24

, because we have we haven't even touched

18:26

really on the aliens and like

18:29

space godzilla , like there's a whole planet

18:31

and they have names of , like they're like

18:33

called zillion or zillions

18:36

or something , zillions I don't know

18:38

there's like a whole race of aliens that godzilla

18:41

goes into . I don't know if we'll ever get

18:43

there , but I

18:45

do hope we at least get Space Godzilla . That'd

18:48

be cool . Space Godzilla is a clone of Godzilla

18:50

.

18:50

I was going to say is that , like Mecha Godzilla

18:52

, mecha Godzilla .

18:53

Kind of he's an alien clone that has

18:55

these huge crystals on his arm

18:57

, on his shoulders

18:59

, and he can fly .

19:00

Who built it ? The alien race ?

19:03

I think I don't know the full history , or is it just like ?

19:05

a rich , scary guy trying to take over .

19:08

No , it's like the alien race got a hold of Godzilla's

19:10

DNA and they make him and him or

19:13

Destoroyah would be cool Like

19:15

some big , big villain would

19:17

be cool Like I loved Ghidorah , he

19:20

was a cool villain . The

19:25

three-headed golden dragon Scar didn't reach that level of coolness

19:27

for me .

19:28

I feel like he could have been , but I felt like

19:30

they did so much time , they

19:32

spent so much time of Kong trying to find

19:35

his people . That was a huge

19:37

chunk in the beginning . And

19:39

then they show him and he comes out and he's kind

19:41

of like , oh , he's got some swag . Oh

19:44

, he hits hard . But it was kind of clear

19:46

until he cheated that he kong , was gonna

19:48

win well , and the thing is is like you

19:51

know that happens kong , kong loses .

19:53

Supposedly godzilla is charging

19:55

up because he knows these monkeys are coming back

19:58

right like he's like piss . He's like I'm gonna

20:00

beat these guys up . One

20:02

he fights scar . In the short

20:04

moment they fight , godzilla obliterates

20:08

him like he tries to throw his little whip .

20:10

Godzilla just catches it and breaks it and

20:12

it's like dude

20:14

didn't even , and it was like

20:16

it took both kong and him to kill him

20:18

the first time and it was like he didn't even have the slave

20:21

ice . Yeah , I don't know

20:23

what . I don't know . It was kind of weird . It was all

20:25

over the place from that perspective .

20:27

But it's amazing how much visuals can carry a friend

20:30

or just like good choreographed

20:33

fights and good motion capture , like

20:35

especially face wise for kong , like

20:37

those scenes like you said , it's

20:39

it's a lot of him looking for his family and

20:41

those scenes they don't really um

20:44

have people talking and like

20:46

explaining his feelings and his thoughts , it's

20:48

just his facial features and now he's expressing

20:50

himself and I love those .

20:52

I thought those were great . Yeah , he's growling with

20:54

the little monkey , little evil monkey

20:57

, that's gonna be my .

20:58

That was probably my favorite part of the film , though and they start hucking

21:01

him around . Yes , weapon because

21:03

the trailers show this little monkey and you're like

21:05

, oh , he's gonna be good , or you're like he's gonna

21:07

be god's little baby . But then

21:09

you learn that he's an evil little monkey and

21:12

godzilla uses him a weapon well

21:14

kong uses it or kong .

21:15

I mean yeah and it just shows you how

21:17

durable these things , these guys are . He's

21:20

just like whack , whack , that whack , whack throws him

21:22

across , and then he's like and

21:24

you're like oh shit , I feel

21:26

immediately bad yeah .

21:28

But that was cool as hell , crazy man . I'm

21:33

glad they aren't making it to PG-13

21:36

too . As far as the fights and the gruesomeness

21:38

, like

21:40

Godzilla , I think in the beginning we

21:42

see a lot of blood Like

21:45

doesn't he hold a monster above him and he

21:47

rips him in half .

21:48

Scar is the homie , Malachi says .

21:50

Scar is the homie .

21:55

He had that lean man .

21:56

He did , walked out .

21:58

He had all the women .

22:00

All the women and he kept the slaves moving rocks

22:03

back and forth .

22:03

He got lazy , he lost his objective

22:06

.

22:07

Muscles were atrophying .

22:08

Did you ever look up and figure out what the heck

22:11

the moving of rocks

22:13

was to signal ?

22:14

They were building a pyramid supposedly . That

22:16

somehow I did not see .

22:19

Was it the volcano itself that they were building

22:21

?

22:21

up they were trying to reach I don't know what

22:24

they were . Online it just said they

22:26

were building a pyramid and I was like , all

22:28

right , I don't know .

22:30

This world looked incredibly unstable . I mean

22:32

, kong found it not that long

22:34

, and he's been down there for how long ? It's the subdermal layer

22:37

of the inner earth , so

22:39

like they were in the subterranean , and then they go in the subterranean

22:42

and then they go into the subterranean of Hollow

22:44

Earth . But in Hollow Earth . Kong could just look

22:47

up and see the portals easily , but

22:49

in subterranean you couldn't see that . But

22:51

all they had to get was to where Kong was

22:53

in Hollow Earth , and then they would have been able to go . Oh

22:55

, that's where you get out .

22:57

Well , supposedly the

22:59

crack didn't show up until recently

23:01

and that's

23:03

why that distress signal was coming out . It's

23:05

because the EWI people knew that

23:07

crack had happened

23:09

. They were saying Godzilla

23:12

come kill these monkeys .

23:16

I thought these people EWI . I

23:19

thought these people had a connection to Kong . Now they got a connection

23:21

to Godzilla .

23:22

They have a connection to the Titans Is

23:26

there a reason .

23:27

They just a connection to Kong . Now they got a connection to Godzilla .

23:29

They have a connection to the Titans Is kind of what I understood . They

23:31

just pray really hard , they got psychic abilities .

23:33

Malachi says no , no , no , no , they were moving rocks from

23:35

one place to the next . They were . That's

23:37

how you keep people busy .

23:40

This is the same strategy that the government takes .

23:42

Keep them under your thumb .

23:43

They're too tired to think . They're too tired to think

23:45

.

23:46

They're too tired to run . What

23:51

a wild movie , so good though I know .

23:54

It's doing good in the box office , so the

23:56

hopes of us getting a sequel are pretty good . I

23:58

would say it beat Dune .

24:01

Let's talk about that .

24:02

That's crazy to me .

24:04

Do you think Dune is affected negatively because

24:06

dune 1 came out at home , because

24:09

covet hit ?

24:10

I couldn't watch it .

24:11

I guess you could watch it .

24:12

Maybe I don't know if theaters were open at that time well

24:14

, tell me this I think dune is a niche like

24:18

I don't think it has , and godzilla is not

24:20

, not as much . I

24:22

think dune is a little more like

24:25

it's a sequel it's a sequel

24:27

and it's a niche of like you have to like

24:29

. You know you have to see the first one and

24:31

then also you have to like this type

24:33

of science fiction

24:35

versus godzilla is like

24:37

godzilla's almost turning into like fast

24:39

seven , you know , like you could

24:41

just go with your family to see it . Totally

24:44

You'd have fun , Dude

24:50

. What if Vin Diesel just shows up and fucking ? That would be

24:52

hilarious Family drive . They had

24:54

a crossover of Godzilla and

24:56

Kong versus the Justice League . Oh

24:59

boy Godzilla killed

25:02

Superman for a little bit , temporarily

25:05

.

25:05

With his breath yeah , okay

25:08

, all right . Well , there you go .

25:10

So Godzilla wins , yeah I think it probably could

25:12

.

25:13

So if I did watch Dune a

25:15

couple days before I went and saw Dune 2 , I

25:17

would have been probably totally lost . At least the

25:19

way I want to watch it , knowing everything

25:21

and how it trickles , I

25:27

would say Dune 2 was better than godzilla con that you've seen it right

25:29

yeah , I know you with me , I would agree .

25:31

I think dune 2 is better , but also I

25:33

I think that lends

25:36

to that like I

25:38

don't know if it'd be that way for everyone . Like

25:40

I said , I think dune is a lot more niche and like

25:42

if you can get

25:44

into Dune , to where you're all about

25:46

the planet Dune

25:48

and you can get into the politics , it's

25:51

a lot of politics . It's a lot of politics , but it's interesting

25:53

when you can turn your brain to

25:56

that , like Game of Thrones right

25:58

, you can get into the political intrigue . It's

26:01

active listening versus passive listening

26:03

, yeah , and

26:06

so I don't think most people can

26:08

get into dune like that . I think it takes a certain

26:10

type of person versus . Godzilla , I think

26:12

, has an easier barrier to entry I

26:15

could see that .

26:16

I could definitely see that . I

26:18

, yeah , I think dune for me still was

26:21

more enjoyable , just because that

26:23

story and I I get

26:25

into really like those stories that have

26:27

a lot of depth to them and yeah , interesting politics

26:30

and stuff .

26:31

You know like shit comes from the lore is amazing

26:34

, like I mean so amazing . The thing

26:36

is is godzilla lore is cool , but in

26:38

this monster verse film it's not . They're

26:41

like they're they're

26:43

giving us little drip feeds of like

26:45

. Oh yeah , by the way , this eewee people that

26:47

you've never heard of . They've been

26:49

best friends with any of the titans and they basically

26:52

are best .

26:52

You know they can talk to them , they send a signal and they

26:54

got better technology okay

26:56

yet they , yet their entire civilization

26:59

perished at one tsunami .

27:01

Yeah , so it's like it was like wait

27:03

huh , it's

27:05

like if they were to go into . They have

27:07

tons of monsters and cool lore

27:10

in godzilla that I I

27:12

know they're just scratching the surface of like they

27:14

could go deep , we could .

27:15

We don't even have jet jaguar do we have

27:17

an origins movie , like with

27:19

the tight , like not godzilla , not kong

27:22

, like an Origins with like

27:24

the Titans and this

27:26

? That would be kind of an interesting movie . And

27:28

it may be it ends

27:30

with you kind of like with it alluding to

27:33

Godzilla and Kong or whatever , but like it

27:35

sets up the EWI people , it sets up the

27:37

Titans and who they are and what

27:39

their connection to Earth is and why they're here . And

27:41

are they aliens , are they not ? That'd

27:43

be kind of an interesting movie .

27:45

I would love that if it was like about

27:47

got

27:49

my brain juice flowing out , you could have the

27:52

movie be like about . It would be

27:54

a little bit of godzilla's origin , along with kong

27:56

of like shows , their parents and

27:58

then how they died and then how they became

28:00

, because godzilla , as far as we know

28:02

, is the last of his kind and

28:05

kong is well , he was until

28:07

he found these , these other monkeys . But it

28:10

would be cool to see the

28:12

great war between the kongs and the godzillas

28:14

that supposedly happened . That we

28:16

learned about in godzilla versus kong is they

28:18

were like they . There was a huge war

28:21

and they all killed each other . I

28:23

would love to see that . That would be cool .

28:25

Yeah , it would .

28:26

Imagine like hundreds of Godzillas

28:28

versus hundreds of King Kongs On their own planet

28:30

.

28:30

So it's like , built for it . You know

28:32

perfect what would that civilization look like

28:34

. What do they hunt ? What do

28:36

they eat ? Yeah eat each other . Holy shit

28:38

, I like that . Isn't the TV show like

28:41

that ? Isn't the TV show like that

28:43

? Malachi-ass , is there a Godzilla TV show

28:45

?

28:45

Yes , well , the TV show is more

28:47

. It's called Monarch . Oh , okay

28:49

, yeah , yeah , I know that and

28:52

it does kind of explore

28:54

the origins , but

28:57

it's more of like I

29:00

don't know . It's more the origins of Monarch itself

29:02

, the monster

29:04

. I don't even know

29:06

what they are , but they watch monsters . They're

29:09

the people who know about Titans besides the EWIs

29:11

. It's kind

29:13

of more the origin of that . I

29:16

only watched a couple episodes . I didn't

29:18

finish it because it was alright . It

29:21

was alright , it

29:23

didn't hook me super fast was

29:26

it the visuals or the storytelling ?

29:28

storytelling yeah , that

29:33

could bite you in the ass , and I was waiting for Kurt Russell

29:35

.

29:36

He didn't show up yet who

29:39

put on this production ?

29:41

HBO Max you

29:44

see , HBO has it figured out too . They got

29:46

a winning model .

29:48

I mean I'll go watch it more probably

29:51

. I just couldn't get into it yet . I'm

29:54

pretty sure it was just about the origins of

29:56

Monarch . Correct me

29:58

if I'm wrong , malachi , if you watched it more of it , but

30:00

I think it was just origins

30:03

of Monarch . But

30:09

I would love to see that ancient king kong versus godzilla fight

30:11

.

30:11

That'd be cool that would be sick dude . Like

30:13

unpower cap , like what if that ? Like

30:16

obviously we've seen godzilla and kong

30:18

get both , get bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger . What if , like

30:20

you just get bigger with age and the ancients

30:22

are just even bigger ? Well , that'd be cool that'd be crazy

30:24

.

30:24

And this is the size of the planet . It's like they . What if you just get ?

30:26

bigger with age and the ancients are just even bigger .

30:27

That'd be cool , that'd be crazy . This is the size of a planet .

30:29

It's like they jump off a planet and the fucking planet

30:31

goes the other way , because they are so

30:33

big , so big , they

30:36

could even do it's on Apple TV , he said .

30:38

Oh , it is Apple TV which

30:41

is weird .

30:42

Which is why it sucks then , Godzilla vs

30:44

Kong .

30:46

Godzilla and Kong are HBO

30:48

Properties

30:50

. Maybe

30:53

, Apple made a deal with HBO

30:55

.

30:57

On Kong Legendary . I guess Legendary is

30:59

who owns Kong .

31:00

And I think Legendary is a WB .

31:03

Maybe they're a primary shareholder in Apple TV

31:05

or something .

31:07

There's always like incestuous all

31:09

that weird stuff , he said he's

31:11

never seen it yeah they

31:15

could even have a human story of like cavemen if

31:18

they want to add humans . I don't think

31:20

you need to .

31:21

I feel like I

31:25

always felt like with Transformers they should have

31:27

done something similar they are .

31:30

That's the newest one that's going to come out . You're

31:32

right , it's on .

31:33

Cybertron , cybertron , you're right

31:35

.

31:35

I feel like it's about time People have been asking for forever .

31:45

Because to me it's kind of okay . But what

31:48

, what , why ?

31:50

um , there's an ancient war on my planet . Exactly

31:52

, we lost .

31:53

Oh so we came here to fuck it all up

31:55

. We're hiding here , so

31:58

now we're gonna get no , I

32:00

would love to see what the budget for this film is

32:02

see okay , but I think

32:04

I would love to see what the budget for this film is .

32:07

See okay . But I think it would probably be easier to justify to shareholders

32:09

Cybertron movie than

32:11

Godzilla , because Cybertron they already talk

32:13

and I

32:15

think shareholders are scared of movies where people

32:17

don't talk .

32:19

I would think so . They

32:22

made a Kong movie years ago where it was

32:24

like it wasn't kong

32:27

, it was that big gorilla

32:29

king kong no with

32:31

jack black no , no , no , no , it

32:33

wasn't that . It was like uh , I'm

32:38

gonna have to look it up kong school island no

32:40

, it was nothing part of this universe . It was just a

32:42

big gorilla and

32:44

he was just . They had to hide him away

32:47

. I don't remember the movie . If anyone in the chat remembers

32:49

this movie .

32:49

It's not King Kong .

32:52

No , I don't think he went by King Kong

32:54

at all . He went by Ben

32:56

, or something like that .

32:58

Oh , that's not King Kong , then I know

33:00

, that's what I'm saying . Okay .

33:01

But they made that movie and it followed

33:03

him around and from what I remember

33:05

, it's been decades , was it Ben

33:07

?

33:08

It might have been , but I know what you're talking about

33:10

now .

33:10

yeah , Because he was big and he was a

33:12

gorilla but it wasn't Kong .

33:14

It wasn't Kong .

33:18

A little on the nose but and

33:21

it followed him around there wasn't much

33:23

talking . And then you remember another

33:25

animal movie , the horse one , spirit

33:28

. You remember that Rampage

33:30

? No , it wasn't Rampage , I don't think . No

33:33

, we'll look it up , I'll look

33:35

it up here . But they made Spirit

33:37

that had no talking and I don't think people

33:39

liked that either . It was like one of those . Oh

33:43

, that was really creative .

33:43

Now let's never talk about it again well see , I think

33:45

was it mighty joe young . Yes

33:48

, mighty joe , and it was like a simple

33:50

name mighty joe

33:53

um , before we get too

33:55

far , I wanted to see if you've noticed

33:57

. Did you notice ? They've never called

34:00

in this new kong godzilla . They've never

34:02

called him King Kong .

34:05

You're right , they don't have the right . He's not a king .

34:07

No , they don't have . It's weird , I don't get

34:09

it .

34:09

So you're saying this is Mighty Joe .

34:11

This is Kong . Oh

34:14

, are they somehow getting away with that ? They can

34:16

call him Kong , but they can't call him King

34:18

Kong , for some weird reason .

34:20

What about ? Can they do the same with the

34:22

Incredible Hulk , do they just

34:24

?

34:24

reference him as the Incredible Hulk every

34:26

single time . I don't know . Amazing

34:28

Hulk .

34:29

It's weird , though right Harambe

34:32

is something cool gaming says yeah , yeah

34:34

. Harambe reincarnated

34:36

.

34:37

Mighty Joe Young had a lot of talking .

34:40

It's been so damn long Because it had Bill

34:42

Paxton , Charlize Theron . Yeah

34:44

, they wouldn't waste those people . When did

34:46

this come out ? 1998

34:49

, man , I remember that film

34:51

. It was such a goofy . It was

34:53

fun though . I liked it . Okay

34:57

, transformers 7 , I guess which is the

34:59

Cybertron movie , I'm assuming

35:01

? I think yes $200

35:04

million budget , which actually today seems

35:06

pretty conservative , considering

35:10

that they've already had movies

35:13

. The Revenge of the Fallen was $400

35:15

million . That was the budget . Yeah

35:19

, we could have had a guest tonight , daniel , you want to come

35:21

on over ? How are we doing , daniel ? Good

35:23

to see you in the chat . We're

35:30

talking about movies and we're talking about transformers now , I guess getting an origin story

35:32

and it'd be cool to bring that to the monster verse and

35:34

just to set up the titans , because I think there is

35:37

and maybe they want to play on that like because

35:39

they they can go a lot more direction . But I

35:41

feel like , at least for someone

35:44

who's not even remotely studied

35:46

into the monster , yeah the , the

35:48

, the origins of the titan . They make no

35:50

sense to me . It's almost like , oh , a

35:53

demon spawns on earth

35:55

and then godzilla goes and kills

35:57

it . Like that is my interpretation of it and I just

35:59

kind of go along with it because

36:01

it looks cool and I guess it doesn't really

36:03

matter maybe

36:06

there isn't dude . This

36:08

monster verse is decades old . They have to

36:10

have some kind of writing on this or

36:12

some history I am .

36:14

I mean , you

36:16

would hope yeah right , but

36:19

maybe for like the the

36:21

the monster verse origin

36:23

story .

36:24

What if you know how they ?

36:25

got into the E we have psychic kinetic

36:27

communication . What

36:30

if they did the monsters psychokinetic

36:33

talk to each other ?

36:35

And then there were subtitles .

36:37

No , it was like voiced by people . Follow

36:41

me .

36:41

What if they gave Kong a little girl's

36:44

voice ? Hello , hey , want

36:46

to be my friend .

36:49

That would be funny .

36:52

That would be so lame . Mothra

36:55

would have to be like a Cate

36:59

Blanchett or something crazy . You know what

37:01

I mean . Like some powerful . Powerful

37:04

saving woman OG you know that's played some badass

37:06

characters . Then they'd have to have like

37:08

a Godzilla could be like Darth

37:10

Vader . You'd have

37:13

to add some effects to Godzilla . I

37:15

feel like , just because he , king

37:17

Kong , doesn't feel like an alien

37:20

, godzilla feels like an alien . So you'd have to add

37:22

something there .

37:22

Yeah .

37:24

Kong could just be like the

37:27

absolute epic Optimus

37:29

Prime style voice .

37:31

You could have Kong

37:33

be .

37:35

Ron Perlman would be perfect .

37:37

As who .

37:38

I'm assuming Kong .

37:39

As Kong or Christopher Judge , the

37:41

guy that did Kratos .

37:43

Oh , perfect , right , Perfect Boy

37:45

.

37:47

Yes , that'd be good . Yeah

37:49

, and for Godzilla you need some

37:52

type of modulator or some type of like

37:55

to make him sound otherworldly . I've

37:57

been smoking for 35 years and now this

38:00

is my voice .

38:00

That would be horrible .

38:01

He's like come on , kong , we

38:03

need to beat up the other guys .

38:07

Kong's like I have to talk like this

38:10

now . Ron

38:12

Perlman would be sick . Actually , I

38:15

feel like Ron Perlman should be in more . He should

38:17

. I feel

38:19

like everything he does is so good . He's got this

38:22

iconic look about him I don't know what it is . I feel like everything he does is so

38:24

good and he's got like this iconic look about him . I don't know what it is . He just looks so masculine

38:26

and and he

38:28

, he was the one that did uh , hellboy , right , he

38:31

was , he was hellboy like . Those are

38:33

so good .

38:35

Um , well from what it's just from his . Maybe he doesn't want

38:37

to do as much as he could , but and , from what

38:39

I know , he is very

38:41

biased to work with Guillermo del Toro .

38:44

Pacific .

38:45

Rim , Guillermo del Toro . All

38:47

the Hellboys , Guillermo del Toro .

38:48

What was he in Pacific Rim ?

38:50

He's the black market dealer .

38:52

Oh shit , you're right . Yeah

38:55

, it's like a cameo almost

38:58

. He's not really in that film .

39:06

He's quite a bit Well because they go to his bunker right to hide , and then he comes

39:08

out and then he gives him some tips , like then he gets eaten . It's like , yeah , like 30

39:10

minutes , I guess , I don't know . You know , technically the uh pacific rim is owned by legendary , I

39:12

would have figured it's the same fucking thing

39:14

, monsterverse monsterverse

39:17

, and what do they call those ? Jaegers

39:20

, that would be cool .

39:22

Although they can't Dude a Yeager

39:24

versus Godzilla , come on .

39:26

Well , the Yeagers are too small , way too

39:28

small . Godzilla's huge .

39:31

They're going to need triple piloted

39:33

Yeagers to handle

39:35

that much power that much brain

39:37

load . Or

39:40

just more badasses that can control . I don't

39:42

really , I don't have faith in that

39:45

to make another good Pacific Rim me neither

39:47

, and I honestly think it's kind of a weird

39:49

concept .

39:50

I love the concept the first film

39:52

is , it's still like top film

39:54

for me . But that second one ruined so

39:56

much , so

39:59

much good faith . The first one had , the first one had flavor

40:01

. That's substance . You know

40:03

, I don't know why guillermo's like nah

40:06

, I don't want to do the second one , I'm

40:09

gonna work on the way of water or whatever , didn't

40:12

he ? He won an award for that . For

40:15

what ? The way of water avatar

40:17

?

40:18

no , he , he he

40:20

made an avatar to a way of

40:22

water isn't that the name of the movie ?

40:23

it's probably called that , but um , there's

40:26

a . There's a movie called the way of water , or

40:29

the way let's see do you know the

40:31

way ?

40:32

how's everybody doing tonight in chat ? What up kyle

40:35

? The shape of water the shape

40:37

of water .

40:37

Yes , and it's like this love story

40:39

between tuning in .

40:40

You're tuning in guys . Give us a like on the stream . It

40:42

really helps the algorithm .

40:43

Yes please do . It's a love story

40:45

between the Black Lagoon

40:47

monster and a girl Like

40:51

a human .

40:51

Okay .

40:52

Like that's a movie and I think it won

40:54

.

40:56

That's the same trope as Beauty and the Beast .

40:58

It is yeah .

40:59

It's been done . It's been perfected

41:01

.

41:04

Let's see .

41:04

Why can't it be a ? What about a boy and a beast

41:06

?

41:07

It was nominated . I don't think it won , but it was

41:09

nominated for Best Picture , best

41:11

Actress , and

41:16

so that's what Guillermo did , instead of

41:18

Pacific Rim 2 .

41:21

So who did too ?

41:22

Some loser .

41:24

Some offbeat . Well , I'll tell

41:26

you , I I thought both of them were watch it

41:28

be adam wincard I

41:31

thought both of them were fine . I

41:33

, I didn't . I didn't walk away from either and go

41:36

. That was amazing . It just

41:38

there's no way that that

41:40

version of Jaeger's

41:42

, Because the problem too was

41:45

that they were always out of money and

41:47

they could never do anything . Really cool .

41:50

And it was always so desperate . Okay , I

41:52

don't know , he did Spartacus and

41:54

that's his claim to fame .

41:56

The TV series Spartacus .

41:57

Yeah , that's it .

41:59

Okay , all right , I

42:01

couldn't get into Spartacus . I know some people who freaking loved it . Okay , all right , I couldn't get into Spartacus . I

42:04

know some people who freaking loved it . I don't

42:06

know , it was just , I don't know . I saw 300

42:09

and I felt like I was good . I

42:12

don't know , I felt like the whole Jaeger thing

42:14

. They were constantly on the verge of shutting

42:16

down the Jaeger program . I want to see

42:18

something fully funded , like

42:21

Jaeger's , ready to go

42:23

.

42:24

And invade their planet . That would have been dope

42:26

Dude , that would be sick Going aggressive . Instead

42:28

they made the second film , and

42:30

now we're never getting there .

42:31

Well , now we know , there's like a hollow earth and

42:33

then the subterranean . What about , like in the oceans

42:36

? Like you know , that's literally

42:38

the same concept as the Meg . Have

42:41

you seen that ? Where they go below

42:43

the Marianas and there's big

42:47

fish down there Big

42:49

octopus , giant squid . We

42:53

gotta go deep Hollow water .

42:55

What's going to be inside of the subterranean

42:57

level of Hollow Earth ?

42:58

Earthlayer

43:02

. Yeah , Inception it's

43:04

gonna be . Yeah , leonardo DiCaprio

43:06

dreaming wow

43:09

, I'm three levels deep man , where

43:13

am I ?

43:15

man , I'm excited , though . I'm

43:17

so happy we're getting these movies

43:20

, cause I just

43:22

can't get enough giant monsters Like fighting

43:24

. It's my favorite and

43:26

I'm eating . Good , we got Godzilla minus

43:29

one , we got this one .

43:32

And apparently , if Transformers Cybertron

43:34

is only going to cost $200 million , maybe this stuff's finally

43:36

getting cheaper . They don't have to spend

43:39

half a billion dollars to make a two-hour

43:41

film .

43:42

And it's going to gonna be watch them throw

43:44

humans in . Somehow they'll be like we're

43:47

gonna have time traveling main characters

43:49

. That way we have our self-insert

43:52

of humans for you it's

43:54

so crazy how much money this

43:56

thing , these things cost I know well

43:59

, and then you look at , like you look at uh

44:01

godzilla x kong right and with the

44:03

budget for that was 135 million

44:05

, I think the one we just watched was 135

44:08

I think that's what I read , yeah , well that's really

44:10

awesome , because godzilla versus kong a

44:13

couple years ago that was 400 million

44:15

really yes , because

44:17

I memed on it on the actual on our

44:19

stream , because I was like do

44:21

movies really cost this much ?

44:23

like are we really spending this much for ?

44:25

for just 135 , yeah

44:28

, 135 135 .

44:29

Look at what the look at . Look at what the last one was

44:31

not the minus one , but the

44:33

the one 470

44:35

million yeah . So

44:38

maybe , maybe we have had like some

44:40

kind of breakthrough where we're finally

44:42

getting a little cheaper . That's like half

44:44

, less than half , that's like a third , and

44:47

I feel like this was higher quality , was

44:51

it , millie Bobby Brown ? Millie Bobby Brown

44:53

, we're going to pay you $170

44:55

million .

44:55

They were the ones that were like .

44:58

That's huge . You're telling me this movie that we

45:00

just watched , this two-hour film

45:02

, costs $135 million . Yeah

45:04

, sign me the fuck up .

45:07

Well then you look at Godzilla Minus One $15

45:09

million and that

45:11

one , yes , you can tell it's lower budget

45:14

, but heck , it looks good . It

45:16

still looks great and

45:19

you can ignore it .

45:21

Something Cool . Gaming says dude . It's crazy how good the

45:23

CGI is in the first few Transformers from

45:25

like 20 years ago . Oh my God

45:27

, we talk about it all the time . That was the first time

45:29

CGI was always a thing

45:32

, first time that I saw it

45:34

where it was like oh my God

45:36

, blew your pants off .

45:37

It was so good .

45:38

When you see that first transition of Optimus Prime

45:40

and all the parts and the oil filter

45:43

flips out and it's all transformed

45:45

, you're like this is incredible

45:47

, we're in the future .

45:55

And then it was followed by Iron man 2008 , which has amazing practical

45:57

and CGI . I'll go back and watch it and I can't tell the difference

45:59

when they're using CGI and not

46:02

. It's amazing .

46:03

That's 20 years ago , man . You yeah , it's amazing , that's 20 years ago , man

46:05

. You're absolutely right , that's 20 years ago so it's .

46:07

It was probably metal was easier , huh , and

46:09

that's why , like iron man and transformers

46:12

looked it's good light on texture

46:14

right versus shiny flesh oh

46:16

dude , flesh like godzilla and kong yeah like

46:18

. That's why godzilla , you

46:21

know , and kong , and even pacific rim a little

46:23

bit , all their fights are at nighttime because

46:25

it's less diffusion

46:27

of light , I think .

46:29

Light is the easiest thing , like you see in video

46:31

games , like in Unreal Engine , how many every

46:33

single update they're getting better with lighting better with lighting

46:36

, better with lighting . It's so hard to

46:38

do .

46:39

You go , look at Godzilla , King of the Monsters . All

46:42

of his fights are obscured by some

46:44

type of weather effect because it makes

46:46

it easier on them . Now

46:49

they must be getting to the point where it's .

46:51

That's insane . Why

46:53

isn't more people talking about that , that

46:56

that two-hour movie basically

46:59

100% CGI of top-notch

47:02

CGI costs one-third of what the

47:04

movie did a few years before that , and the studio must

47:06

be like . Yeah , it

47:08

worked . Proof of concept . Maybe

47:10

this technology is getting , maybe AI

47:12

helped with this , I don't know . I

47:14

just feel like that's a

47:17

significant difference . Yeah

47:19

, dude , that's three . You said it was $470

47:24

. $470 . That's

47:26

like $40 million dollar difference and it's already made

47:29

opening weekend it's already cleared

47:31

it's four .

47:31

Yeah it's already made its nut back . That's crazy

47:34

. Imagine how long it took for godzilla

47:36

versus kong to make its money back we're

47:39

gonna start seeing some crazy shit .

47:41

I mean , if we that's getting down

47:43

, this is like a triple , a production

47:45

now there's like good

47:47

director , decent cat like there was some

47:49

heavy hitting . Casts on there um

47:51

heavy hitting , heavy

47:54

hit .

47:54

That's the right term .

47:55

I don't know some middle hitting middleweight

47:58

maybe lightweight there's , one

48:00

, middle there's . There's like that lady , the lady , the lady

48:02

.

48:02

And then , other than that , they're like but

48:06

the podcaster yeah , could have put

48:08

us in there , man , we could have been in it we could have Viewers

48:11

.

48:11

you guys didn't write in . That's your fault . Be

48:14

sure to like and subscribe . Please Hit that

48:16

bell .

48:16

notification Forward our podcast to Legendary

48:19

and tell us we could be a better

48:21

podcast than yeah , no

48:24

, but like yeah , not some

48:26

heavy hitters .

48:26

I don't know why . I mean , the dennis was pretty , I'm

48:29

kidding he's a famous actor , right I

48:31

didn't in his first movie . Um

48:33

no but , like three

48:36

. That's the difference of 300 .

48:37

You can make this movie two more times well

48:39

, I think I'm like I

48:41

I'm really into um visual

48:44

effects . Artists react with corridor digital

48:46

on youtube and so I watch those videos

48:48

a lot and just seeing the progress

48:50

of of the technology is increasing

48:52

and then I can only imagine like

48:55

you have the movie avatar

48:57

2 , right wave of water and

48:59

the amount of money that they pour

49:01

into that to come up with new technology

49:03

. I'm sure that gets shared easily

49:06

with other companies which we

49:08

benefit from because it makes it cheaper yes

49:10

, like the water effects , they're always consulting

49:13

groups yeah , the water effects , like

49:15

what we have wedded , digital , we

49:17

have , um , uh

49:19

, industrial light and magic , those ilm

49:21

those are the two that I know by name

49:23

like cgi , big

49:26

companies , and I'm sure

49:28

they share they sure they probably

49:30

do have stuff that's like this is only what

49:32

we can offer to your film , um

49:34

, but I'm sure , like water , physics

49:36

and stuff like that , they're like , here you go , open

49:39

source yeah , it's like it

49:41

gets .

49:41

It just becomes known . Yeah , right

49:43

, and now they have I mean they have like all

49:46

these assets on kong at this point so they

49:48

can repurpose them and godzilla and

49:50

godzilla and mothra now and

49:52

like now they can kind of rope that

49:54

in and continue to make . I mean , I

49:56

am blown away that you that this is 135

49:59

million dollars . I we're

50:01

talking if that trend keeps

50:03

up .

50:04

See , that would be good . Matthew McConaughey yeah , I would

50:06

Matthew McConaughey in the next one . What

50:08

?

50:08

if he voices Kong . Come on , Kong Kong

50:10

is just like this hella chill beach bum

50:12

and he's like alright , alright , alright

50:14

.

50:14

He's kind of blonde now . He's kind of a blonde

50:16

Kong .

50:19

Got a little hat on you know . Hey

50:25

, Godzilla , I want to find Kong , a girlfriend man Just cheeked up

50:27

in the hollow earth .

50:28

What about Godzilla ? Godzilla got no family , nothing

50:31

, bro Got nothing , and

50:33

he's just angry spitting flames . Yeah , he's just angry all the time . He's

50:36

like I need to beat another bitch up . That's

50:39

his whole arc . That's his whole

50:41

arc and

50:44

somebody else for me to beat up , I guess .

50:45

Alright , alright alright , come

50:47

on down , let's throw some fists .

50:49

Come on , godzilla .

50:51

Bro , just chill , come with me into the

50:53

hollow earth , you'd be like Zilly Willy have

50:57

nicknames for Godzilla Yo

51:00

Z-Man . Now we good . Come

51:03

down to Hollow Earth with me . Oh , you wanna fight

51:06

If you got .

51:07

Matthew McConaughey as Kong . Who do you

51:09

have as Godzilla in that ?

51:10

duo Jackie Chan . Jackie

51:13

Chan Is Godzilla . Lindsay

51:20

Lohan oh no , lindsay

51:22

.

51:22

Lohan , oh no , lindsay .

51:23

Lohan is Godzilla no

51:26

.

51:26

No , please , no

51:28

, I

51:30

was thinking like you could have Forest Whitaker

51:33

.

51:34

What about , like Stephen Hawking's , like

51:36

text to speech ?

51:37

That's Godzilla , godzilla

51:40

. You

51:43

have somebody totally like . You just have Dwight

51:45

from the Office .

51:46

Dude , that would be so

51:48

just average

51:50

.

51:51

Right , you'd be like it

51:53

would .

51:53

Yeah , I don't know . I don't know man .

51:55

Eddie Murphy . Malachi says Eddie

51:58

Murphy .

52:01

That would be wild . Come on Trek , Is that Dr Dolittle Murphy is ? That would be wild .

52:06

Come on , trek . Is that , dr

52:09

Dolittle ?

52:12

He talks to Godzilla too . Oh , lindsay

52:14

Lohan is his girlfriend . Okay , so it's Kong's girlfriend

52:16

. Okay , so

52:19

like a Black Widow , hulk kind of thing , here she's getting pounded away

52:21

, alright , alright , alright . Boom , boom , boom , boom , boom . So like a Black Widow .

52:23

Hulk kind of thing . Here you got Matthew .

52:23

McConaughey , he's getting pounded away . Alright , alright

52:26

, alright .

52:28

Let's just make full-on porn . Okay

52:31

With

52:33

these movies now .

52:36

Oh shit . Well , you know we're coming up on

52:38

the hour here , but I want to dive into Guild Wars 3 .

52:40

Yes , let's talk about it .

52:42

Alright folks , obviously this is Gilmore . Yes , let's talk about it . All right folks , obviously

52:44

this is a Gilmore's podcast . It's a mass effect podcast

52:46

. We talk about the games that we love

52:48

, the games that have captured us over the years

52:51

of our lives . Um

52:53

, nc soft is a parent

52:55

company for arena net and they

52:57

had a slip up at their shareholder

52:59

meeting . Oh just the worst

53:01

. I

53:04

mean up at their shareholder meeting , oh , just the worst . I mean arena has plagued

53:06

with like the worst marketing ever , um ever , and they just subtly

53:09

dropped the mention that like hey , they're working on

53:11

get worse three and so now

53:13

it's like spun into this whole thing

53:15

and the forums are kind of going wild

53:17

and it's split the audience of like oh great

53:19

and oh no , sad for gilworth's two

53:21

. Uh , I'm

53:24

kind of in the camp of I

53:26

. It doesn't really make sense for them to create a new

53:28

, a new mmo , like a new mmo

53:30

to compete with themselves well , so did

53:32

they confirm it or is it still conjecture

53:36

?

53:36

like did they eventually come out ?

53:38

so that nc soft said , said

53:40

that the statement which is ArenaNet

53:42

is working on a Guild Wars 3 . And

53:45

ArenaNet says they always have

53:47

stakes , you know , stokes in the fire or whatever

53:49

. And they're always like that's , but

53:52

like but . Their comment was it

53:54

was very corporate , like what we're really excited

53:56

to hear about , we're

53:59

still really excited to bring the next couple expansions

54:01

to Guild Wars 2 . So Guild Wars 2 has a

54:03

committed to pipeline for the next few years

54:05

, but we are coming up on the 20th

54:07

anniversary of Guild Wars 1 . And

54:10

we know if you've been a fan

54:12

of the series at all and I know

54:14

of Something Cool Gaming I know you probably remember

54:16

this era . But they diverted like 300

54:19

developers from ArenaNet for like two

54:21

years to go and work on a project this

54:24

is Rytlock , rytlock Grimstone

54:26

and

54:30

then they abandoned it and no one

54:33

ever knew what it was for and they

54:35

said it was another title or whatever new IP

54:37

or whatever . But everyone

54:39

assumed it was like a Guild Wars 3 . So

54:41

here's my thoughts on it . I don't

54:44

think they should come out

54:46

with a Guild Wars 3 because it's

54:48

ultimately just going to compete with their product

54:50

. I think what they should do is come out

54:52

with something new and fresh that

54:55

kind of stands on its own . No , it could be in

54:57

the Guild Wars universe , but make it

54:59

something like a prequel First-person shooter . No

55:03

, it's going to be a fucking

55:05

Diablo Immortal port to

55:07

mobile gaming and just be Gamba

55:10

Guild Wars 7

55:12

. Yeah , that's what they need to do , but no , it would be cool . The

55:15

universe for Guild Wars is amazing . I feel like

55:17

it would be really cool to get a prequel to

55:20

Guild Wars and have

55:22

the origin stories of when the

55:24

char and humans fought . And this

55:26

is the char and uh they're

55:28

evil um , not in guild wars 2 . You're

55:31

, you're , they're your allies . There's like friction

55:33

between them and the humans . Always

55:35

there's like a it's like the turians yeah

55:38

, exactly , and . But

55:40

you kind of like come together to kill dragons

55:42

turians literally . So

55:45

basically , you

55:47

have um , the char

55:49

, uh were always at

55:51

war with the humans and they were trying to like encroach

55:53

on their lands . And then that's what gilward's one

55:55

is all about . Like the char and prophecies

55:58

, at least the char break through the , find

56:00

a way to break through the wall , the Great Northern Wall , and

56:03

invade the Ascalon homelands

56:05

and kill everybody . And so

56:07

Ascalon is displaced and then all these

56:09

Ascalonians are finding their home . So

56:12

is that a PC exclusive game ? Well

56:14

, let's talk about that . So Guild Wars was

56:16

? It was an MMO that competed

56:19

with World of Warcraft . It came out in 2005

56:21

, and then 2006 , and

56:25

then 2007 as well . They had all their expansions

56:27

done by then , and then they came out with Eye

56:30

of the North in 2008

56:33

, maybe , yeah

56:35

, maybe 2008 , 2009 . I don't remember . And

56:39

then Guild Wars 2 came out in 2012

56:41

. So it was pretty quick when they launched these new games and Guild Wars 2 , when it launched , competed directly

56:43

with Guild Wars 2 , came out in 2012 . So it was pretty quick when they launched these new games and Guild Wars 2 , when it launched

56:45

, competed directly with Guild Wars 1 . So

56:47

let's talk about what like is it going to

56:50

be a PC ? There's no way in my mind that

56:52

it's only going to be PC . There's

56:54

zero chance .

56:55

Yeah .

56:56

You cannot launch a title these days and leave

56:58

out that audience of console

57:01

players .

57:02

And especially now with the ability

57:04

of cross-play .

57:05

Yes , and that's what I was just going to say Back

57:08

in the day when you had like you wouldn't want to create

57:10

three instances of your game .

57:12

Yeah , that was hard enough already . You want a ?

57:13

shared community experience . They did it with

57:15

Diablo 4 , which is not an MMO

57:17

by any means , but Guild Wars 1

57:19

wasn't . Guild Wars 1 , people would say , is

57:21

not an MMO , it's an RPG . It's

57:23

an online RPG Because everything is

57:26

instance combat , Like you don't do anything together

57:28

. It just doesn't happen . It's

57:30

like there's no open world , there's

57:33

just towns and hubs . Everything is instance

57:35

. And so I'd like to see them go

57:37

more towards that model and like

57:40

maybe go with prequel towards

57:44

that model and like maybe go with prequel and they kind of have some fun . But

57:46

there's been a lot of discussion online , a lot of ideas of people talking of what is

57:49

and what isn't going to be . Um

57:51

, a lot of people who are saying

57:53

like guild wars 2 combat

57:55

is too difficult , which I

57:58

would say it's not too there

58:00

. It definitely has a high learning curve . But

58:02

the problem is Guild Wars 2 is so bad at letting

58:05

you know that you're bad at the game .

58:07

Oh , okay .

58:08

So bad , so the player base

58:10

just sucks . Generally

58:12

speaking , they're very casual

58:14

because the game is built to be a game that

58:16

you play for two hours a week . It's

58:20

a very casual game . There's no gear

58:22

grind , you never fall behind .

58:24

Like if I were to .

58:25

Just , I haven't bought the last couple expansions . If

58:27

I bought these expansions I'd be right where

58:29

everybody is . I could play the builds

58:31

and do all this stuff , like there's no gear grind

58:33

, it's all achievements , and just kind

58:35

of getting immersed in the gameplay and stuff and that

58:37

high fantasy . So

58:41

I don't know what it'll look like . I

58:43

think they need to kind of go totally creative

58:45

or a remake of Guild

58:47

Wars 1 , which I don't know if I'm really Even

58:49

jazzed about . All

58:52

I know is , whatever they do , I'm going to play Because

58:54

I love the philosophy of the

58:56

studio . So far they've only made Two

58:59

great games , so I imagine their third game is

59:01

going to be great . I mean , they have a track record . They have a 20 year track record of making great games .

59:03

I imagine their third game is going to be great . They have a track record . They have a 20

59:05

year track record of making great games . You

59:07

know who also did right ? Blizzard .

59:10

Bioware how

59:14

many games were good before they sucked Like

59:17

five oh five

59:20

?

59:20

So I got a couple more before

59:23

they're going to , you'll be fine , I'm fine I'm

59:26

fine , I'm curious , something cool gaming .

59:28

I know you're a huge gdub fan . I

59:30

um , if you want to talk in the chat

59:32

of what ? Uh , if you're excited

59:34

for it or not . The announcement hit me

59:36

like crazy because there's been

59:39

at the 15-year

59:41

anniversary of Guild Wars 1 , they

59:48

came out with some new skills and some interesting

59:51

stuff . They came out with a couple

59:53

new skills and some tweaks and they had to add server capacity because

59:55

so many people came flooding back in . Wow

59:57

, wooden Potatoes is a content creator

59:59

for Guild Wars just Guild Wars series and

1:00:03

he did a video on an update where they increased

1:00:05

the LOD , like how far you can see

1:00:07

objects in the distance , and like a quarter

1:00:09

of a million people watched that video , which he usually

1:00:12

gets like 10,000 , 12,000 views . Wow

1:00:14

, a quarter of a million people watched that video . So

1:00:16

, like there's so much energy and love around this

1:00:18

game , people to this day

1:00:20

say that game ruined them for certain

1:00:22

things . The philosophy of that

1:00:24

game there was no , it was just so fantastic

1:00:27

well , it sounds like it's an

1:00:29

old school type of developer of .

1:00:31

They make the game to be fun . Yep versus

1:00:34

how can we monetize ?

1:00:35

this and guild wars 2 is so

1:00:37

different um from guild wars 1

1:00:39

that a lot of the guild wars 1 fan base was let

1:00:42

down yeah , well , like you

1:00:44

, I don't . I don't

1:00:46

know if you were let down , but you definitely like

1:00:48

one more oh yeah , okay , I

1:00:50

still dumped thousands of hours into two , but

1:00:53

um , guild

1:00:55

wars one , I think . I think objectively

1:00:58

, in my opinion , what is a better game

1:01:00

? Um , guild wars two

1:01:02

, like , if you , if you look

1:01:05

at the systems , you can't compare gameplay

1:01:07

. Gameplay . Guild wars 2 , I think , has the greatest

1:01:09

gameplay of any game I've ever played . I will

1:01:12

. I will say that I think guild wars 2

1:01:14

, hands down , has the best gameplay

1:01:16

of any game I've ever played the systems

1:01:18

and the combat , the

1:01:21

animations , the fucking , the mechanics

1:01:23

of it all . It is incredibly deep

1:01:25

, incredibly interested and incredibly immersive

1:01:28

. It is so intuitive not intuitive

1:01:30

, but like , um , I

1:01:33

guess , immersive , yeah , it's just immersive like

1:01:36

there's an evade mechanic that you can dodge everything

1:01:38

in the game and the timing is really tight

1:01:40

, so it feels like it plays like a souls game

1:01:42

almost , and then you get these large scale

1:01:44

battles and stuff like that . But for me , the

1:01:47

open and Guild Wars 2 does a good job of their open

1:01:49

world . They do like cool events and stuff like that . But

1:01:51

I'm not a , I don't really

1:01:53

just like the , I'm not a big fan of like open

1:01:55

world stuff .

1:01:56

I like really good instance

1:01:59

open world can work , but

1:02:01

the world has to be . I've

1:02:04

always liked , if you're going to do open

1:02:06

world , make it smaller but full

1:02:08

of stuff , not

1:02:10

massive .

1:02:12

Well , guild Wars 2 has a

1:02:14

massive open world and it

1:02:16

still has probably an active player

1:02:18

base of 50,000 to 100,000 players

1:02:21

. You'll see people regularly

1:02:23

running through the world and but for

1:02:25

me it's like when there's a world

1:02:27

boss event or a large-scale event going

1:02:29

on and you get 15 , 20 , 30

1:02:31

people all doing the event , your

1:02:34

individual participation starts

1:02:36

to fade . Like they have these

1:02:38

. This event that I always think of

1:02:41

, like it was it's to quaddle the sun list or something like that , and it's such a it was

1:02:43

it's to quaddle the sunless or something like that , and it's

1:02:45

such a cool event . It's this huge dragon

1:02:47

bone dragon boss that lands into this

1:02:49

ocean and shoots out

1:02:51

the shock wave and you have to

1:02:53

like , get these turrets to pin it down

1:02:55

. And then you pin it down , you go and you do damage

1:02:57

and you kill it , you and you get good loot

1:03:00

and it was on like a three-hour

1:03:02

timer or something like that . And but it was such

1:03:04

a big boss and such a large-scale

1:03:06

world event that when

1:03:08

you get to play the game and you're playing

1:03:10

by yourself or

1:03:12

with friends , your individual

1:03:16

participation is

1:03:18

just so muted Because you're like okay , I'm not really

1:03:20

doing anything here . Muted

1:03:24

because you're like , okay , I'm not really doing anything here . Um , you know , I'm like I could

1:03:26

. I can do my perfectly clean rotation or I could spam one , and the

1:03:28

success rate is going to be the same the same you know

1:03:30

so something cool gaming

1:03:32

. Uh , I'm ready for reset , I get burnout , uh

1:03:35

, uh , I got burnout , uh

1:03:38

. After a game

1:03:40

has bunch of expansions , mechanics and skills

1:03:42

, d2 is the same example for me . Okay

1:03:44

, I didn't know , you played Diablo 2 . That's

1:03:48

interesting , did you D2. ? Oh , are

1:03:51

you saying Destiny 2 ? I think you probably

1:03:53

mean Destiny 2 . Because I don't think you

1:03:55

played Diablo yeah .

1:03:58

I can feel that burnt out . I agree , especially

1:04:01

Destiny 2 , the last expansion

1:04:03

that I played , last light or whatever

1:04:06

it was called . I forget already . That's

1:04:08

how much impact it had on me right um

1:04:11

. It just felt like rinse , repeat it

1:04:13

felt like rinse , repeat and it felt like lazy

1:04:15

, not late . Yeah , just

1:04:17

it needs something fresh , new fire

1:04:20

, which I get . I get that something

1:04:22

cool gaming . But do

1:04:25

you think what do you think the

1:04:27

biggest change for guild wars

1:04:29

3 would be like ? What do you think they would ? They

1:04:32

would update . Besides

1:04:38

, if they do console and cross play , what

1:04:40

?

1:04:40

they what they need to do . Arenanet is

1:04:42

amazing at introducing content . That's

1:04:44

fun and they do a good job

1:04:46

. But what they don't , what they fucking

1:04:48

sucked at in Guild Wars 2 is

1:04:51

yeah , he met Destiny 2 . That's what I thought . What

1:04:54

they sucked at is they would introduce this

1:04:56

new concept and then

1:04:58

they would abandon it and move

1:05:00

on to something different . So they came out with a core game and then

1:05:02

they would abandon it and like move on to something different . So they came out with a core game and then they

1:05:05

were like all right , here's the game . We got dungeons

1:05:07

. And then you're like oh cool , we're gonna get more

1:05:09

dungeons . And then they came out with like aether

1:05:11

blade , with like this elite

1:05:13

path . That was like a really tough dungeon . You're like

1:05:15

, oh cool , we're gonna get you know , more dungeons

1:05:17

as time goes on . And there's like this living world dungeons

1:05:19

, normal dungeons .

1:05:20

Yeah , dungeons , normal dungeons .

1:05:21

Yeah , abandoned the dungeons and

1:05:24

then they came out with a thing called like fractals

1:05:26

, which is the same fucking thing , but they have

1:05:28

like a central hub . And then they

1:05:30

added this mechanic called agony , which

1:05:32

you had to have a certain resistance so you couldn't do the highest

1:05:34

tier fractals and it was like dungeons

1:05:36

plus , it was a lot more difficult . And then

1:05:38

they came out with Fractals and then they fucking completely

1:05:41

like abandoned that and they went years without

1:05:43

updating that and moved on to other systems

1:05:45

and it was like okay . And

1:05:50

then so like they don't introduce

1:05:52

any new skills or anything during the base

1:05:54

game and they introduce like the

1:05:56

first expansion comes out and they come out with this new model

1:05:59

Okay , hey , we're going to have new Elita specializations

1:06:01

, and so you're like , oh cool , going

1:06:03

to play the new Elita specializations . So

1:06:08

it's like a new stat line in your class and you go and you play the class , and

1:06:10

then they kind of like they actually stuck with that model

1:06:13

. But then they introduced raids and then they

1:06:15

never supported raids . Like they

1:06:17

dropped like seven

1:06:20

raid wings since

1:06:22

like 2014, . Right

1:06:25

, so like they

1:06:27

came out with four in like the first year

1:06:29

or five in the first year wow

1:06:32

, and then they just completely abandoned because they realized

1:06:34

what percentage of player base because , again

1:06:36

, combat in guild wars 2 is incredibly deep

1:06:39

, but you can also kind of cheese it and

1:06:42

uh and raids were such a high skill

1:06:44

gap that , like a very small

1:06:46

percentage of players ever did them , because

1:06:48

it was very difficult to know you were bad

1:06:50

and all the good players only wanted to play with other

1:06:52

good players because they didn't have time to carry

1:06:54

these pugs through it . So

1:06:56

it was like this weird time

1:06:59

where they would just come out with content and abandon

1:07:01

it and then it just was

1:07:03

silly . It'd probably be a whole new

1:07:05

game . Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 are very different

1:07:07

, so can't tell what

1:07:09

3 would be like . That's what

1:07:11

Something Cool Gaming says . Yeah , I don't know

1:07:13

.

1:07:14

I really don't know what it's going

1:07:16

to be Third person over the shoulder .

1:07:20

Yeah , dude , if they came out with a shooter , that'd be crazy

1:07:22

.

1:07:23

No , not a shooter , just melee combat like

1:07:25

God of War .

1:07:27

That could work . I think , I

1:07:32

mean they actually have like what's called . They have an action mode in guild wars where it

1:07:34

turns the game into that which is really it's

1:07:36

actually pretty cool . Um , it

1:07:38

turns it into like a , like

1:07:41

a first person , uh , you know , like action

1:07:43

. You know it's actually that's

1:07:45

exactly the mode it is . It's kind of interesting

1:07:47

but and some people like you'll all watch

1:07:50

them stream , they play it in that and I'm like , oh my god

1:07:52

, how the fuck do you do that ? Um , because

1:07:54

so much of it is like status effects on the ground and

1:07:56

paying attention yeah , seeing what you have , yeah

1:07:59

so I don't know . I mean I

1:08:02

could go in a million directions . All I know is I'm excited

1:08:04

that arena net needs

1:08:06

a new challenge . They've been kind of fizzizzling

1:08:08

, I guess . Here's another thing

1:08:11

, something cool gaming that we should talk about . Over

1:08:13

the past few years they've had job openings , career

1:08:15

openings on their website , and the hardcore

1:08:18

fans are always checking the job posts to

1:08:20

see what's going on . They've been hiring

1:08:22

Unreal Engine devs for

1:08:24

the last few years now . So their next

1:08:26

project is probably going to be , because they've been basically

1:08:29

dragging

1:08:31

this game engine . They're using the same game

1:08:33

engine from guild wars 1 , um

1:08:35

, they just heavily modified it and

1:08:37

so now they're abandoning that game engine

1:08:39

and developing on unreal engine . So

1:08:42

that's going to be a really fresh

1:08:44

new experience . That'll be cool like

1:08:46

cyberpunk , so it'll

1:08:49

be interesting to see what they

1:08:51

do .

1:08:52

I'm curious I'm I'm a little excited

1:08:54

to at least give

1:08:57

it a try , because I never played one or two . I've only

1:08:59

known about it from billy and um , I

1:09:02

think three would be would be a big enough

1:09:04

deal for me to get it like , like

1:09:06

to , to dive into it and try it out I

1:09:09

don't think you would like gilworth's

1:09:12

two that much .

1:09:13

The story is mid

1:09:17

. Um , it

1:09:19

wasn't like some people really

1:09:21

simp over the story and then other die

1:09:24

hard story fans are like it's pretty average

1:09:26

. I would say it was average . It's

1:09:29

like your typical hero and you're going

1:09:31

and you're a commander of an army and you

1:09:33

go and you save the day , you know , and

1:09:35

that's essentially what you do , and you rally

1:09:37

all these groups together and there you go . It's

1:09:39

a typical story . Um , the

1:09:42

, the story of like the dragons is actually

1:09:44

pretty cool . Like they basically give

1:09:47

the , like the dragons sort

1:09:49

of give it the world

1:09:51

energy , but then , like when you kill them , you

1:09:53

release that energy into the world so it becomes

1:09:55

like even more vibrant and so like

1:09:57

there's like this balance of okay

1:10:00

, but like the the dragons like store this

1:10:02

energy . So like there's this like decision making

1:10:04

that goes going on of like what side

1:10:06

should we be on ? Like what are we doing ? Are we thinking

1:10:08

about this ? and yeah and some of the dragons

1:10:11

are really cool and the like . The fights

1:10:13

are fucking insane . Like there's this fight called dragon

1:10:15

stand and , uh , the

1:10:18

boss , the , the campaign finishes

1:10:20

and you like go inside of a dream

1:10:22

and you like kill the , you kill the elder dragon

1:10:24

. But , like , the real fight is

1:10:27

this open world meta event

1:10:29

and it's actually hell fun . It

1:10:31

splits . It was , it's the first of its kind , it's called

1:10:33

dragon stand and you need like

1:10:35

a full map of people , so I

1:10:38

think like probably a couple hundred players wow

1:10:40

and there's three lanes and you have to split

1:10:42

up the lanes and you have to progress

1:10:44

each lane at the roughly the same time

1:10:46

. And then there's mechanics that you have to do in

1:10:48

time together , so like people are communicating

1:10:51

in chat window , triggers certain things

1:10:53

and do about it , and it's like this all

1:10:55

this might and then you get to this final battle on this

1:10:57

. You're fighting this fucking floating dragon

1:11:00

and there's all these different platforms that he's

1:11:02

eating and destroying and you're flying

1:11:04

to all these different platforms as with

1:11:06

hundreds of people trying to kill this . It

1:11:08

is such an epic battle , it's so

1:11:10

much fun , so you might like that . You probably would

1:11:13

like the combat a lot . The story

1:11:15

would be mid , but like the whole social

1:11:17

element of the game , um , it's

1:11:19

not a game that you could really . You could solo the story

1:11:21

and you could basically solo

1:11:23

all the open world stuff where you're exploring around

1:11:25

. But if you want to do any like the content

1:11:27

in the game , um , it's all

1:11:30

instant space and would require you to meet

1:11:32

up with people .

1:11:33

Um story overhaul is what something

1:11:36

cool gaming says .

1:11:38

Yeah definitely need a story overhaul

1:11:40

. The core was trash expansion

1:11:42

trophies yeah I

1:11:45

don't know that might be a typo , but uh

1:11:47

, trophies , I don't know what that is . But yeah

1:11:50

, the core game was so

1:11:52

basic . But

1:11:54

the expansions the one I'm talking about is the

1:11:57

Heart of Thorns , which totally changed the game

1:11:59

and set the tone but I mean , oh

1:12:01

my god , ArenaNet has just I mean , they

1:12:03

came out with guild halls abandoned

1:12:06

those immediately and we only

1:12:08

got two guild halls . In the first game there's like

1:12:10

40 guild halls . It's

1:12:13

just crazy to me how

1:12:15

much I

1:12:17

just got a message from my old guild leader in Guild Wars

1:12:19

2 that they just killed Ceres , which

1:12:22

is that fight that I was telling you . They spent

1:12:24

53 hours progressing as a team . After

1:12:26

watching the teams who had already did it , they're

1:12:28

like the third team in North America to beat

1:12:30

it . Congrats to them .

1:12:32

Anyway .

1:12:37

I love this series so much , I think you

1:12:39

would like one better , because it is much more RPG

1:12:41

. It is online

1:12:43

RPG and it's much less online

1:12:46

these days because you're

1:12:48

not going to see hundreds of people running around

1:12:51

. But yeah

1:12:53

, if they ever come

1:12:55

out with it , I

1:12:57

will definitely beg

1:13:00

you guys to play with me are there romance options ? No

1:13:05

, no , there's

1:13:07

a lot of like romances going

1:13:09

on , but you're pretty much a solo

1:13:12

writer . Yeah

1:13:14

, um , fuck , there's . You

1:13:16

can get , uh , buy wedding outfits and

1:13:18

get married in the game oh

1:13:20

I'm sure there's probably tons of stories of people

1:13:23

getting married and then meeting in real life , and

1:13:25

then people literally host weddings . Literally

1:13:27

host weddings . Jeez , literally host weddings . There's

1:13:29

like fireworks and stuff . Dude , role-playing is

1:13:32

real in that game .

1:13:34

Yeah , well , yeah , I mean

1:13:36

I'm definitely excited . I

1:13:38

hope they're working on number three because I

1:13:41

feel like at certain times

1:13:43

in certain games it's like if

1:13:46

they get too old it's

1:13:48

harder for me to go back and play

1:13:50

them versus if I played them when they came out's harder for me to go back and play them versus if I played them when they came out

1:13:52

and I want to go back and revisit . That's easier

1:13:54

, but like choosing

1:13:56

an old game to play that's that's

1:13:58

harder for me yeah , well , and

1:14:00

like , again , they've gotten cookie cutter

1:14:02

with their model at this point .

1:14:04

I mean , the game is 12 years old , guild's

1:14:06

two and they

1:14:08

. So every expansion now is like , okay

1:14:12

, they come out with maybe a new fractal . They

1:14:14

come out with , uh , three chapters

1:14:16

, you know , of the story and then

1:14:18

, uh , like a new map or two and and

1:14:20

that's that , you know that's their expansion

1:14:23

, and maybe some new mechanics , mechanics

1:14:25

like new mount , whatever , um

1:14:28

, but you

1:14:30

know it's just like that's what it is now . That's

1:14:32

the game .

1:14:32

Yep , it's not going to evolve beyond

1:14:35

that .

1:14:35

Yeah , so that's why

1:14:37

you need a Guild Wars 3

1:14:39

, or whatever the hell they want to call it . I think calling

1:14:42

it Guild Wars 3 would be a mistake .

1:14:44

So if we started Guild Wars 3 , right me , you and Kyle would 3 be a good

1:14:46

number for the team or would we want more people ? So if we started Guild

1:14:49

Wars 3 , right me , you and Kyle would

1:14:51

3 be a good number for the team , or would

1:14:53

we want more people ? Like , would we want something cool

1:14:55

Gaming like , what's the Five

1:14:57

Five ?

1:14:58

Guild Wars 1 was built around 8-man content

1:15:01

, wow , and

1:15:03

that made for a really interesting dynamic

1:15:06

. They

1:15:08

said themselves that that was too much . Yeah

1:15:12

, I think so . It's tough to get that many people coordinate that many people

1:15:14

, but back in the day , I mean , you would find dozens

1:15:17

of people like waiting to get into a party , and so it

1:15:19

was easy to form , but uh , that's

1:15:21

a lot of people . So then , um

1:15:24

, guild wars 2 is completely balanced around

1:15:26

five man content , except for raids , which is

1:15:28

10 man content do you think they'll keep

1:15:30

five or shorten it I ? think it's gonna be a five 100

1:15:33

not three no

1:15:35

, you , you can do

1:15:37

um . So gilbert's

1:15:39

two . There's no like trinity

1:15:41

of , like you know , tank damage

1:15:44

and then you know , like mage , whatever and healer

1:15:46

, so like everybody's expected to

1:15:48

dodge and sustain on their own . So

1:15:51

like you , everything , like all dungeons

1:15:53

, um , you could easily do with

1:15:55

three people it just takes you a little

1:15:57

longer to kill the stuff , but like in

1:15:59

terms of self-sustain and stuff , yeah , you don't have

1:16:01

like a traditional healer , um

1:16:04

, like healing you , so you don't need that

1:16:06

role . You just're just self-servant . Which

1:16:08

is cool but it also makes people

1:16:10

run really

1:16:12

shitty builds , because they build defensive

1:16:15

. You're just like learn to dodge . Don't

1:16:17

just face , fucking , tank everything . They're

1:16:20

an elementalist . And they sit in water to him

1:16:22

the whole time , just healing themselves . You're like , okay , let's

1:16:25

not , you beat your ass

1:16:27

, I'm in . You beat your ass

1:16:29

. You bet your ass . I'm in what ? You beat your ass , you

1:16:32

bet your ass . Okay , I think that's what he meant

1:16:35

to say . You bet your ass . I'm in on what

1:16:37

a Guild Wars 3 is . I have like 7,000

1:16:39

hours in both games . I know I'm

1:16:41

right there with you , dude , you bet your ass

1:16:43

.

1:16:44

That took a while .

1:16:44

You beat my ass . I was like

1:16:46

when did I beat your ass ? 100%

1:16:52

my ass . I was like when did I beat your ass ? 100 . I think he has more

1:16:54

hours , which is interesting , so he I this is a whole interesting concept

1:16:56

. He is about as casual as casual gets

1:16:58

when it comes to like an online

1:17:00

, like mmo experience . He , he

1:17:03

would play . He plays the game like how I

1:17:05

would imagine you and kyle would play , but

1:17:07

because of how much content there is , he

1:17:09

just stays involved and does all the stuff

1:17:11

, oh , okay . Because they're incredibly

1:17:14

rich with like things to do . I mean just

1:17:17

to do all the dungeons and stuff and like

1:17:19

each dungeon has

1:17:21

like four paths and

1:17:23

there was like 16

1:17:27

dungeons on release or something like that . There was like 80

1:17:29

dungeons total to do . They

1:17:38

release more . There's like geez , 20 different fractals , like 20 different

1:17:40

fractals like which is like a dungeon plus tier . Like you could spend weeks just

1:17:43

learning and playing the new content , like trying

1:17:45

to figure out like when to dodge and stuff

1:17:47

like that or what the mechanic is for

1:17:49

this fight , and blah , blah , blah . Like

1:17:51

it's incredibly rich , but he plays

1:17:53

it so different than I do . Yeah

1:17:55

, he has a ton of achievement points , way more

1:17:58

than me . I have like the most basic

1:18:00

stuff , but I went into like the more extreme versions

1:18:02

of the content , which is like raids

1:18:04

, and he played all like the open world

1:18:06

stuff and and just kind of okay

1:18:08

casually played the story and and

1:18:11

got like all the the cool achievements and

1:18:13

the mounts and what's like when .

1:18:15

That kind of reminds me of when I played destiny

1:18:17

, when I had like my group right , um

1:18:19

, it was funny because you

1:18:21

could always see the difference in our skill set

1:18:23

when you would look at the leaderboards . I

1:18:26

uh , basic strike mission in destiny

1:18:28

, which is you and your team versus cpus

1:18:31

, I would dominate . The leaderboard

1:18:33

meant most kills , most damage . Whatever

1:18:35

we'd go play um any

1:18:38

type of competitive like , um , you

1:18:40

know , pvp , I was dead

1:18:42

last .

1:18:43

I was dead last , middle I was you

1:18:45

could tell .

1:18:45

And then they were on top so you could tell it's like that's

1:18:48

where we specialized in . You

1:18:50

know , it was interesting because it's

1:18:52

like oh wow , so there's

1:18:54

definitely a different skill set for each

1:18:56

one . Oh yeah , and it's weird . It's weird

1:18:59

when you realize that You're like huh .

1:19:00

Or what people value , or what they're like good at

1:19:02

, naturally , and what they're trying to like focus

1:19:05

on . Yeah , and that's the nice thing about

1:19:07

five-man content is you

1:19:09

can't just feed . Your role

1:19:12

is more prominent in a five-man group than it is

1:19:14

an eight-man group or a ten-man group

1:19:16

. You're just that much more important .

1:19:18

Yeah .

1:19:19

Because there's regularly mechanics

1:19:22

where you need to have three people up and they

1:19:24

have to do things within a timely

1:19:26

manner . There's a fractal , it's called

1:19:28

Swamp , and you have to gather

1:19:31

, like this , seed . There's three

1:19:33

locations and once

1:19:36

someone grabs the first seed , the other people have to grab

1:19:38

the seed and you have to make your way back

1:19:40

to deposit them with all within 30 seconds

1:19:42

. All the while , if you touch like any

1:19:44

of the roots or like the swamp , um

1:19:47

, or there's traps all through the swamp they'll

1:19:49

immobilize you and they'll fuck you up . So

1:19:52

, like two people , like if you have a normal five-man

1:19:54

group , two people are just standing there doing nothing , leeching

1:19:56

, and then the three people are busting their ass

1:19:58

to try and carry these seeds back . And

1:20:01

, uh , it was just like the

1:20:03

embarrassment you would get if you failed that mechanic , because

1:20:05

then everybody has to go back out to

1:20:08

the swamp Come on Billy and then do it and you're

1:20:10

like oh fuck , You're like , all right , I'm sweating

1:20:12

, here we go , here we go . So

1:20:14

I like that stuff where

1:20:17

there's

1:20:20

a learning curve , you can easily

1:20:22

kind of straddle around how

1:20:24

to do something . I always love instance

1:20:26

combat , but yeah , it is fascinating

1:20:29

to see how different something

1:20:31

cool gaming and how we played both

1:20:34

games .

1:20:35

Yeah .

1:20:35

Both games . I was a hardcore grinder

1:20:37

farmer . I was always . I

1:20:39

always had a shitload of money . Austin

1:20:42

had no money ever because he was

1:20:44

just farming skins , because he wanted all his characters

1:20:46

to look really pretty , so he was constantly

1:20:48

spending the amount of times I logged

1:20:51

on . He's like dude , can I get a couple platinum

1:20:53

? I need , uh , I need to get this new skin

1:20:56

the amount . It was kind of so funny because

1:20:58

we finally got back on and just to play

1:21:00

here recently and he he

1:21:02

literally cleared out his bank and he's like this is

1:21:05

for all the years that you just like

1:21:07

always hooked it up . He's like here you go take

1:21:09

it all . Like I . I always was taking

1:21:11

money from you because I didn't give a shit

1:21:13

. Like we were best friends at the time , you know .

1:21:15

So we were like you don't care about cosmetics at

1:21:17

all .

1:21:18

I could give a fuck . I just was hoarding cash

1:21:20

you know , and uh , it

1:21:22

was just so funny to see the dichotomy

1:21:24

there because he was like altaholic

1:21:27

, he had like every max

1:21:29

level and he was trying to go through the campaign

1:21:31

and stuff and I was like I'm going to grind this one

1:21:33

character and be the best .

1:21:35

Into the bones . This is like the most ridiculous . Thing

1:21:38

ever so do you think ? In your opinion ? Do you

1:21:40

think Guild Wars went ? Do

1:21:44

you think it's like mainstream

1:21:47

and let me explain what I mean by that . It's

1:21:49

like I feel like balder's

1:21:52

gate 3 took

1:21:54

balder's gate and divinity and

1:21:57

kind of put it in the mainstream eye . Do

1:21:59

you think guild wars was ever in that or

1:22:02

no ? Does that

1:22:04

make sense ? If you talked to a gamer in the 2000s , if you talked to

1:22:06

a gamer in the 2000s

1:22:09

.

1:22:11

yes , they knew what Guild Wars was , but

1:22:13

has it kind of receded

1:22:15

. I feel like if you talk to a young gamer

1:22:17

coming up now , they would have no idea

1:22:19

what Guild Wars is and you

1:22:23

know , as they wouldn't know , like Albion

1:22:25

Online , elder Scrolls Online , black

1:22:28

Desert Online .

1:22:31

A lot of onlines .

1:22:32

In those I never really

1:22:34

yeah , um , but yeah , I feel like it's . You

1:22:36

know , when you think of mmos , you think of wow and

1:22:38

that's it yeah and like I don't think young

1:22:41

people are playing , wow . I think

1:22:43

it's like that's something that you just aged into

1:22:45

, uh . Or I mean you were either

1:22:47

a part of that era and you're still subscribed

1:22:49

now they still have like seven and a half million subscribers , crazy . Or uh mean you were either a part of that era and you're still subscribed

1:22:51

now they still have like 7.5 million subscribers or

1:22:54

you missed that boat . I don't think like

1:22:56

if I talked to a 17 year

1:22:58

old gamer and was like hey , I play Guild . Wars 2

1:23:00

or Guild Wars . They'd be like oh , I don't

1:23:02

.

1:23:02

So maybe that's the benefit of coming out with 3 is

1:23:05

kind of getting it , the console , getting

1:23:08

it out in the mainstream eye again

1:23:10

, of like Baldur's

1:23:12

gate did , like that was huge . I mean , at

1:23:14

one game of the year it was a big explosion

1:23:17

of just of of um publicity

1:23:19

for that game and for that

1:23:22

type of game , like I'm oh

1:23:24

, I can't wait . I know we're gonna get , uh

1:23:26

, balder's gate clones , oh

1:23:29

100 , like now we're gonna get a bunch

1:23:31

of them . So and like with

1:23:33

cyberpunk , cyberpunk did the same thing , um , so I

1:23:35

I think I think

1:23:37

three I hope it'll be like

1:23:39

that because that , and then , especially on unreal , engine

1:23:41

.

1:23:41

Now you've got something there , like you've

1:23:44

got something with the visual fidelity , because gilbert's

1:23:46

two has held up well . I

1:23:49

would say wow has held up really

1:23:51

well because of its art style well , it's cartoonish

1:23:53

, so you can get away with it art style

1:23:55

has held up , because it's like that's

1:23:57

its style , okay , but

1:24:00

gilbert's two just visually , I think

1:24:02

it's definitely looking a little aged more

1:24:04

so in these last couple years , but it's still

1:24:07

like you wouldn't play and go this looks like shit

1:24:09

. Gilbert's one you'd be like , okay

1:24:11

, what the fuck ? But that's just

1:24:13

so old , 20 years old . Uh

1:24:15

, it runs on a shoe nowadays

1:24:17

, um , but like yours too

1:24:19

, you could absolutely , uh , you

1:24:22

know it could still hold its own

1:24:24

in the ring . But now , on unreal engine and

1:24:27

now all these titans of games are coming out

1:24:29

, I , I

1:24:31

think it's kind of right , I think it's prime , I think the market

1:24:33

is primed . You do it if you have a successful

1:24:35

launch and you hit on

1:24:38

all three markets xbox , playstation

1:24:40

, pc and you hit the

1:24:42

ground running and you , you , you tap

1:24:44

into a , a franchise as

1:24:46

beloved as guild wars . I mean we're talking this

1:24:49

thing launched . I mean like 7

1:24:51

million , 10 million people playing

1:24:54

this game at launch . I mean a massive

1:24:57

phenomenon . You might have something

1:24:59

there . So

1:25:02

, like I said the moment

1:25:04

they announced it , I'm pre-ordering it . It's not even

1:25:06

a question . This

1:25:08

is something .

1:25:09

I'll break all my rules for what if they say if it's

1:25:11

live service ?

1:25:12

oh , it has to be live service live

1:25:14

service with a battle pass honestly

1:25:18

, I was thinking about this because some of the

1:25:20

content creators came out . I

1:25:26

don't think it works anymore in this day

1:25:28

and age , uh-huh , but I honestly I

1:25:31

might . For this type of game , I might

1:25:33

prefer a subscription

1:25:36

model . Hmm , and I'll tell you

1:25:38

why . Guild Wars 2

1:25:40

, I was never a fashion guy , but

1:25:42

everything , all the cool fashion stuff was

1:25:44

in the gem store . You had to buy real money

1:25:46

. Okay , and then also in the gem store

1:25:49

. You could just bust

1:25:51

out your credit card and buy infinite gold . You

1:25:53

just buy gold with your credit card , and

1:25:55

I did that because I didn't want to grind . For I

1:25:57

did the math and I was like , okay , I gotta spend

1:26:00

115 hours , you know , grinding

1:26:02

this dungeon or I can

1:26:04

spend ten

1:26:06

dollars . Yeah , you

1:26:08

know , I don't know what do I want to do here . So

1:26:10

it's like that's so easy . I

1:26:13

feel like that's alleviated if you just have a subscription

1:26:15

. Now , the moment you add a subscription , you compete with

1:26:17

wow and it's game over and you lose

1:26:19

. So I don't think it works .

1:26:20

But I don't know , I don't mind a

1:26:22

battle , pass battle pass would be fine , especially

1:26:24

the thing I think that a lot of people like

1:26:26

about battle passes is it's like

1:26:28

a subscription , but it's a lot

1:26:30

more condensed into like you

1:26:33

don't have to , but if you do , you

1:26:35

get these cool bonuses and it's for this short amount

1:26:37

of time yeah like . It's not like you

1:26:40

can like . If you aren't subscribed , you don't get to

1:26:42

play at all . You know it's like wow

1:26:44

, you need a subscription , right 100

1:26:47

, yeah , 15 a month so it's

1:26:49

been that way and that's that's to me that sucks

1:26:52

. I'm like no , I don't want to it

1:26:54

.

1:26:54

It's a barrier to entry for you yeah like you're

1:26:56

, you're , I , I'm same way . I'm not willing to even

1:26:58

try it until it comes to game pass like

1:27:01

that . I just am not paying that money , even

1:27:03

though I totally get its value . It's like , oh

1:27:05

, they're able to provide a

1:27:07

shitload of content because

1:27:10

of that , because Because , they keep getting money in . I'm gatekept

1:27:12

away from that .

1:27:14

Especially I don't know with like , in

1:27:18

regards to WoW and that type of

1:27:20

subscription service , and I think why we're

1:27:23

getting more of the Battle Pass type is the

1:27:25

thing with WoW is I don't even

1:27:27

know if I like the game and I'm going to have to subscribe . I don't even know if I like the game

1:27:29

and I'm going to have to subscribe , like I don't even know if

1:27:31

I'm going to like how it plays . I

1:27:34

know they have free trials and stuff like that that happen

1:27:36

, but I don't want to keep track of that

1:27:38

. Like , oh , this weekend , you

1:27:40

know , I don't know , and

1:27:42

even then it's like I wouldn't . It's like , oh , maybe

1:27:44

there's some other game that I already know I like , yeah

1:27:47

.

1:27:51

I don't know what monetization model

1:27:53

they're going to go with Loot

1:27:57

boxes . I don't even

1:27:59

know what I stand for anymore because I think it all sucks , but

1:28:01

I get why it has to be

1:28:03

. These games cost a lot of money to make . They

1:28:06

just require a lot of time . And I

1:28:09

just it's

1:28:14

how greedy are you going to be ? Um , you know , if if a game like gilbert's

1:28:16

three costs 20 million to make let's

1:28:19

say it costs , I don't know , is that even a

1:28:21

low number ? I feel like that's

1:28:23

low right for an mmo . That I mean . The

1:28:26

average timeline for an mmo to be built is

1:28:28

, they say , seven years . That's

1:28:30

how long it takes to develop that game . Comparing

1:28:35

that to $135 million or $400

1:28:37

million for a two-hour film

1:28:40

, it seems like a

1:28:42

drop in the bucket . I

1:28:46

don't know man . I

1:28:49

don't know what monetization model I want . I

1:28:52

just like the values that this studio

1:28:54

is founded on and they haven't

1:28:56

disappointed me . Yet They've made two banger games

1:28:58

. Alright

1:29:02

, boys , let's hope .

1:29:03

Number three is another banger .

1:29:05

Dude , I am literally . I might take like a month

1:29:08

off work , lose

1:29:10

my life .

1:29:12

We come in next the podcast

1:29:14

, after the game comes out . You're like who

1:29:17

are ? You ? Where am I ? I

1:29:19

haven't seen light in years .

1:29:21

I'm going to send my wife away , like , leave me , I

1:29:24

need to go into my hole Because

1:29:27

I'm still in contact with all my Guild Wars 2 buddies and I

1:29:29

guarantee you that those dudes

1:29:32

are take two weeks off minimum . They

1:29:34

took two weeks off for heart of thorns , which was

1:29:36

the first expansion of guild wars 2 , when

1:29:39

we didn't even know what it was going to be like and it

1:29:41

fucking totally . The

1:29:43

guild wars 2 was dying and then they came out there because they weren't

1:29:45

going to do the expansions model . They didn't like that model

1:29:47

and then they were like fuck it , we have to do something

1:29:49

. Came out with Heart of Thorns and completely revamped

1:29:52

and revitalized the game . It was one

1:29:54

of my favorite expansions . I think I put that as my favorite

1:29:56

expansion all the time . Those

1:30:00

guys took two weeks off , going in blind

1:30:02

. That's how hardcore these

1:30:04

guys are . That's hardcore , I'm telling you Put

1:30:11

probably 200 hours in by the time they went back to work . It's a beautiful thing , Dylan Like

1:30:13

think of the game that you've ever like the

1:30:16

most time you've ever put in a game . They

1:30:19

did that in two weeks and they're just getting started

1:30:21

. My man , Like Asmongold

1:30:24

, has 35,000 hours into World

1:30:27

of Warcraft . 35,000

1:30:30

hours Like a lot of the top content creators 35,000

1:30:32

hours . A lot of the

1:30:34

top content creators in Guild Wars 2 have 25,000-30,000

1:30:38

hours . This is not an uncommon thing . Yeah

1:30:40

, it's like seven hours of playtime , seven

1:30:43

years of playtime . Sorry , that's

1:30:49

24-hour days

1:30:52

days divide this by

1:30:54

365 , so you get years

1:30:56

four

1:30:59

years so four years of of four

1:31:02

years of your waking life that's

1:31:06

in one game .

1:31:07

That's crazy . I mean , but's

1:31:11

like , and it's even hard to wrap around , it's

1:31:13

like you think like , oh yeah , four years he played a

1:31:15

game like especially the content wise , but

1:31:17

it's like , no , that's the amount of hours

1:31:19

he put in . It's not , I played the game

1:31:21

for four years . It's , I played

1:31:24

the game consistently

1:31:27

for four years , actively , actively .

1:31:29

Wow . Well , think about from your perspective of

1:31:31

, like add up how much time

1:31:33

you've played games in your whole life .

1:31:36

I bet you have probably 30,000 hours , you

1:31:39

know . If you added every game you've ever

1:31:41

played One

1:31:43

game .

1:31:43

Think about how much you gain back in

1:31:45

love and cherished memories

1:31:47

. Hey Think about how many games

1:31:49

you've forgotten you've ever played .

1:31:52

Definitely , that would never happen .

1:31:55

I prefer that model . I'm a quality over

1:31:57

quantity guy .

1:32:00

True , it's insane . That's insane

1:32:02

35,000?

1:32:05

.

1:32:06

I have probably roughly 7,000

1:32:09

hours across both games as well , both

1:32:12

games , guild Wars 1 and 2 . I

1:32:14

have 3K hours in Guild Wars 2 . So

1:32:17

10X what I put

1:32:19

in , and then some

1:32:21

12X .

1:32:24

See , I could get into a game , I

1:32:26

could know life , a game like that , but I

1:32:29

have yet to find one that hooks

1:32:31

me that hard , like because

1:32:33

all the games that I get into I've

1:32:36

exhausted all the content , like

1:32:38

it's not that I get bored , it's

1:32:40

that I've done everything like spider-man you

1:32:43

won't exhaust yeah , well , exactly so

1:32:45

. It's like guild wars you won't exhaust

1:32:47

it , right right . But like Spider-Man the games

1:32:49

I'm into I exhaust them and

1:32:52

then it's like I can't do anything else . So

1:32:54

one day , maybe it'll be a single

1:32:56

player game that has unexhaustible

1:32:59

content .

1:33:00

Kyle says he'd rather play many games for

1:33:02

a short period of time than one for an absurd

1:33:04

amount of time 35,000 hours . Kyle

1:33:06

, but as long as you enjoy what you're doing 35,000 hours .

1:33:09

Kyle 35,000 .

1:33:10

Kyle always does this . Have you ever noticed

1:33:12

this ? Like the way he argues , at least when he's in a

1:33:14

good mood and he's not snappy . He's not a

1:33:16

snappy boy . But he does this like

1:33:18

he'll make a statement like

1:33:21

of what he'd rather do , and then

1:33:23

he always softens the blow Like

1:33:26

but you do what makes you happy .

1:33:29

But you know hey man , I know you . That's

1:33:32

your opinion .

1:33:33

Yeah , exactly , he's like I'm just saying what I

1:33:35

like to do . He

1:33:37

always sobs at me . He's always looking out .

1:33:40

I always try to do that when I argue

1:33:42

with you guys about Tally . I'm like but that's your

1:33:44

opinion , you like Tally ? Yeah , yeah , yeah .

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But you do it to be an ass , I do well you guys gang up on me , you guys get so angry about it because

1:33:53

just because I think I'm right doesn't mean you're

1:33:55

wrong see

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but kyle's on vacation doing his that

1:34:02

. He's doing that alpha class , that

1:34:04

18 000 alpha training is and

1:34:07

this is part of the ego , right

1:34:09

, kyle , are you down there doing that , are you ? Are

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you on the beach holding the fucking sledgehammer

1:34:14

.

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Here's the thing . Kyle too me , and you

1:34:16

often agree that billy is wrong .

1:34:19

Oh , yeah , yeah , and that doesn't

1:34:21

. And there's no softening gaslight .

1:34:23

Yeah , yeah , we gaslight

1:34:25

him into believing that he's wrong

1:34:27

.

1:34:27

I'm gonna start everybody in the chat . Uh

1:34:29

, start checking these clips . Uh , for

1:34:32

uh kyle .

1:34:33

Um , he's down in that alpha training class

1:34:35

trying to learn how to be a man , paid

1:34:38

18 grand I imagine , billy

1:34:40

, when we're old one , one time

1:34:42

me and kyle are gonna gaslight you so hard that

1:34:44

it's like it breaks you , that you're like

1:34:46

well , I guess , I

1:34:48

guess so .

1:34:49

You did that with RL Grimes . I

1:34:52

started to believe you . I started

1:34:54

to inherit the malware . It worked

1:34:56

. The gaslighting was so strong . Rl

1:34:59

.

1:34:59

Grimes was your moment . It's like we convince you you murdered

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somebody that would be tough .

1:35:04

That would be an uphill battle .

1:35:05

I don't remember it , but it's like when

1:35:07

we all have dementia .

1:35:09

You're

1:35:12

like Dylan . Where can people find us ?

1:35:13

people can find us on YouTube , instagram , spotify

1:35:15

, any major podcast listening platform

1:35:18

, as well as where we stream

1:35:20

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