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As discussed in the last episode . In

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November of 1095 , with Constantinople

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on the verge of a Muslim assault , pope

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Urban II spoke from a platform outside the French city of Clermont and called Christian

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men of the West to rally to the defense of its Eastern

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brothers . Many took the

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cross and answered that call , including

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Bohemond , duke Godfrey and Count

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Raymond of Toulouse . They did so

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to shouts of Deus Vult . By 1097

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, the Crusaders prepared for the first

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major conflict of their long march

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toward Jerusalem . It

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would take two more years for the crusaders

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to reach their final destination in 1099

1:05

. The first major battle the

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crusaders fought in was at Nicaea . This

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campaign consisted mostly of the Prince's

1:12

Crusade and a small detachment

1:14

of Byzantine engineers to help with siege

1:17

works . Nicaea was the

1:19

capital of the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum

1:21

, the Turkish word for Rome , and

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was ruled by Kilij Arslan . After

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defeating the People's Crusade , arslan

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was relatively unconcerned when word

1:30

spread that a Frankish army was approaching . The

1:33

siege of Nicaea began on May 14 , 1097

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. Arslan gathered his army

1:38

and prepared for an assault on Raymond

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of Toulouse and Robert of Flanders' forces

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located just outside the city gates

1:45

. After

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a brutal day of fighting , arslan was surprised

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by the skill of the Franks . As one

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historian said , man for man , his

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Turks were no match for the well-armed Westerners

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on open ground . As another said , the

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Turks came along gleefully , but as many

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as came had their heads cut off by our men

2:03

, who threw the heads of the slain on the

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city of Nicaea . To

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their surprise , and without their consent , alexius

2:18

had sent a contingent to negotiate with Arslan

2:20

. As a result , byzantine

2:23

banners flew over the city and Arslan

2:25

was given an escort to Constantinople

2:27

. The crusaders , sensing a

2:29

great betrayal , were enraged . This

2:31

was only further confirmation to them that

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Alexius and his court were not to be

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trusted . The Gesta Francorum

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said the emperor , who was a fool

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as well as a knave , was ready to injure

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the Franks and obstruct their crusade . On

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June 19 , 1097 , nicaea

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capitulated , so the crusaders marched

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on . They were led by Bohemond

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, the

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Norman of heroic proportions , and his nephew Tancred , as well as Godfrey , lord of Bouillon and descendant

3:01

of Charlemagne and Raymond . The crusaders were then ambushed

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by Arslan and his 30,000 Muslim

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troops near Dorylaim , which

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would be the fiercest of the battles they had yet fought

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. Assaulted by a barrage

3:13

of Muslim arrows and stunned , the

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Westerners fled . Bohemond

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in response sent word to Godfrey

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if they would like to see the beginnings

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of the battle with the Turks . What they

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want is now here , come quickly Regrouping

3:26

. After the initial attack and retreat that

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happened on July 1st , bohemond responded

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by putting all non-combatants at the center

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of his ranks . Women were called

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upon to draw water for the soldiers from a spring

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located within their perimeter . Part

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of the problem for the Turks was they

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thought Bohemond's forces were the entire

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crusader contingent . As such

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, the Muslim forces were alarmed when

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they realized they were being attacked against their

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flank and rear by heavy cavalry

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charges from the remaining crusader

3:55

knights Charged

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to fight bravely as Christians , by priests

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and commanders . The crusading forces

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formed a battle line . Now , writes

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Ibrahim , it was the Muslims' turn

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to become acquainted with Western warfare . Shocked

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and awed by the heavy cavalry charges

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, the Muslims galloped off . Notwithstanding

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their vast numbers , many thousands

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from both sides were slain , end quote

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. Both sides were becoming

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acquainted with the other's fighting style . Muslims

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would send clouds of arrows that blotted out the

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sun , crusaders would mount unstoppable

4:27

cavalry charges , and best the Turks in

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hand-to-hand combat . One historian

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said in hand-to-hand conflict

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, horseman against horseman , foot

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soldier against foot soldier , the Europeans

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and the Byzantines had the better of the Turks

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. End quote . Muslims also

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conceded this point To them . The

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Westerners were fearless knights who formed mountains

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of steel , seen by Muslims as

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descendants of Ad , that is , giants

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or not men at all . They carried

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stout , broad-headed lances or spears

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of tempered steel . Both

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the Turks and Crusaders suffered serious

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losses that day , but the losses on the

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Muslim side were far worse . Eventually

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, the defeat was so thorough that Arslan's men fled in full retreat , were pursued and mown down

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by knights for a full day , and Arslan once again lost his entire

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treasury . As

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they retreated , however , the Turks burned

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everything in sight , leaving little

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provision for the Westerners to feed themselves

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. The Crusaders marched for

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three months unopposed until they reached Antioch

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. On the way , they were met with starvation

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, thirst , disease , exhaustion

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and delirium , as Rodney Stark

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describes it . After resting for two

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days following the battle , the Crusaders

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set out to cross Anatolia on their way to

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Antioch . It was a dreadful march

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. The summer heat was intense

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, there was no water , the wells

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and cisterns built to store rainwater had

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all been destroyed by the Turks . As

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the Gesta tells it , they were passing through

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a land which was deserted , waterless

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and uninhabitable , from which we barely

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emerged or escaped alive , for we

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suffered greatly from hunger and thirst and

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found nothing at all to eat except prickly plants

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. On such food . We survived wretchedly

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enough , but we lost most of our horses"

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. Meanwhile

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, eastern Christians marveled at the sight of

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these foreign titans . Fulker

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writes "it was astonishing to

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see the Eastern Christian natives advance

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towards us with crosses and standards

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, kissing our feet in garments for

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most holy love of God , because

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they had heard there that we would defend them from

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the Turks , under whose yoke they had been oppressed

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for a long time . End quote .

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By October , the Crusaders had besieged

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Antioch At one point during

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the Christian era , antioch was the third

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largest city in the Roman Empire , behind

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only Alexandria and Rome . Since

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then oppressed by its Muslim overlords

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, however , this once great Christian

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city was in a sad state Because

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it was so well fortified . Bohemond

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and the others carefully considered the city's

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weaknesses . Perhaps most importantly

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of all , the local emir had

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converted the Christian cathedral into

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a horse stable and had been enslaving

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or mistreating Christian residents

7:10

. This , as Bohemond rightly

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saw , made Antioch a seedbed

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for potential traitors . In

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October of 1097 , the official

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siege began . Unfortunately for

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the crusaders , their food and supplies grew

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increasingly low , and many died

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of starvation . As Rodney Stark points

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out , emperor Alexius could easily

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have sent ample supplies by sea , but

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did not . The crusaders did receive

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a resupply from 13 Genoese ships

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in November , but supplies were quickly

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consumed and hopes grew desperate

7:42

. As such , many deserted

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, including Peter the Hermit . Bohemond

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sent his nephew , tancred , to bring Peter

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back , and publicly disgraced him

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, though he did let him live . Later

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, a Turkic ruler began beheading

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Christians within the walls and throwing

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their heads at the Frankish forces . Ready

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to return the gesture , bohemond brought

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those Muslims he had captured back to

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the gate of the city where , to terrify

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the citizens who were watching , he ordered

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that they be decapitated and

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their severed heads were launched into the city

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. Eight months into the siege , the

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crusaders were starving and desperate

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. Finally , bohemond

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made a clandestine deal with a Muslim

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tower captain , formerly an Armenian

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Christian who had converted . During persecutions

8:28

, and at night , western forces

8:30

entered the city . As

8:33

Ibrahim writes , the result was

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a bloodbath not unlike those visited

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upon Christian cities throughout Anatolia

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and Armenia at the hands of

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the Turks throughout the preceding decades . One

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eyewitness reported All streets of

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the city , on every side , were full of corpses

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, so that no one could endure to be

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there because of the stench . Nor could

8:53

anyone walk along narrow paths

8:55

of the city except over the corpses

8:57

of the dead End . Quote the

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next day , kirbin Ha , a Turkish

9:02

lord , arrived with 35,000

9:05

reinforcements . As a result , the

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besiegers now became the besieged

9:09

. The crusaders were once again forced

9:11

to eat filth and shoes , and

9:13

many drank the blood of horses . Morale

9:16

reached new , all-time low

9:18

for the men . Was God not on their side

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? Peter the Hermit

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was sent to deliver a scathing indictment

9:26

to the entourage from the Muslim forces

9:28

. In return , the Turks became

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irate . As a result , the knights

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made preparations to ride out and

9:35

meet the Turkish army . Men

9:37

partook of the Eucharist and offered

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themselves to God . Overly

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confident , kerbin Ha idled his

9:43

time away in his tent playing chess . When

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he was informed that the Christian knights , some

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20,000 in number , were advancing

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mightily against his troops , kerbin

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Ha barked at one of his subordinates

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. Didn't you tell me there were few

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Franks and there would never be a fight

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against me ? A wild battle

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ensued . Knights stung by

10:03

barrage after barrage , of arrows bristled

10:06

like porcupines but moved forward

10:08

with ferocity nonetheless . The

10:11

knights held formation and kept in

10:13

order to the point that Muslim forces

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fled in panic . Outnumbered

10:18

, yet triumphant , virtually every medieval

10:21

chronicler said the victory was a miracle

10:23

from God . Were not angelic

10:25

hosts led by St George , patron

10:27

saint of Christian warriors , witnessed

10:30

by many fighting alongside the knights ? One

10:32

chronicler asked According to one

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historian , modern military

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historians have attempted to come up with

10:39

a more rational explanation for the Franks'

10:41

success , but the task is difficult

10:43

. Explanation

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for the Franks' success , but the task is difficult . How did a force as spent and

10:49

starved as the Crusaders manage to overcome a superior , well-fed and

10:51

well-rested adversary ? For

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the rest of the year , the beleaguered Crusaders

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would recover their strength in Antioch

10:58

. Bohemond would

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remain there as governor In early 1099

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, the Crusaders would resume their march

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to the final destination and ultimate

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goal , jerusalem . The

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King's Hall Podcast exists to make self-ruled

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men who rule well and win the

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world .

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Well , gentlemen , welcome to another episode of

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the King's Hall Podcast . I am one of your hosts

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. I'm Eric Kahn , joined by Pastor

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Brian Sauvé and Pastor Dan Burkholder

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. Let's start with Brian , mainly

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because , well , you're the best looking .

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Frenchman we have . I mean , I'm the only

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Frenchman that you have , but I nonetheless compliment

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accepted Compliment accepted .

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You're welcome , Dan Burkholder . Welcome

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to the show . The Norman

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Beaumont .

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We're talking about your people yeah , I , I

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mean , I am bohaman . I am

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bohaman . They thought the guy was a giant

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that's fantastic .

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Well , gentlemen , it's great to be talking about the crusades

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again . I know we started last time , uh

11:56

, talking about the crusades , and really just crusade

11:59

one . But , brian , it's fascinating as we

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look at this , there's really so

12:03

much to cover because it's a big period

12:05

of history . Yep , the Crusades are interesting

12:07

, I find , because , particularly in Crusade one , you just

12:09

have so much information .

12:11

Oh man , yeah , we could go down so many

12:13

rabbit trails in what we just

12:15

flew over . I mean Beaumont

12:17

. One of the reason that reasons he knew

12:19

so much about he was the most

12:21

experienced military leader on this campaign

12:24

, and one reason was because

12:26

he had gone back to our previous season was

12:28

because of his father . He had gone on

12:30

all these military campaigns in the Eastern

12:33

Christian world in his youth

12:35

with his father . So now he's coming back and he knows

12:37

this area and there's just little rabbit

12:39

trails like that down that we could , doors

12:42

we could walk through throughout

12:44

these crusade stories and my

12:46

hope , one of my big hopes in this series , is

12:48

that we just spark the

12:50

thirst for some

12:52

of you listeners to want

12:54

to start learning more about this , because there is so

12:57

much in these stories yeah , it

12:59

really is incredible .

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uh , one of the things that's encouraged me too is

13:02

, uh , you dive into the reading . We've

13:04

seen kind of a spark among other people , really

13:07

in some interesting circles . We've got

13:09

guys like Calvin Robinson interested

13:11

in the Crusades . I think he had been before

13:14

, but , dan , it seems like this is becoming

13:16

part of the conversation for people and

13:18

I want to ask you just kind of broad level

13:20

question about that . You know it's Crusades

13:22

, but also you know the first Christendom .

13:30

Why do you think this is catching fire ? Yeah , that's actually a really good question , and

13:32

I don't necessarily know the exact reason for this . I think some of it is because

13:34

of the Christian nationalism

13:36

discussions and as

13:39

, as people are in engaging on

13:41

social media with men like

13:43

Sulla or like Franco

13:45

and hearing this

13:47

, this idea of a Christian Prince and

13:50

, uh , you know , curiosity

13:53

of our forefathers and what does a Christian

13:55

nation look like but ultimately

13:57

leads down these paths of looking

14:00

at the first Christendom . I think that's part

14:02

of it , and so I would like to take all the

14:04

credit myself right now for

14:06

sparking all of this interest . It's

14:09

really just the King's hall , it's just the King's hall

14:11

.

14:11

No , basically the King's hall .

14:13

Obviously , this is a curiosity for most

14:16

Christians . One of the ways I'll just tell you personally

14:18

how I got there is there's

14:20

one day I'm thinking through this we're

14:22

not pacifists , right , and

14:25

so that must mean that there is a place

14:27

for Christian violence , that is , is

14:30

a justified Christian violence , I don't . I don't mean like

14:32

some revolutionary , unfettered

14:34

you know revolution

14:37

, you know type spirit , but that there

14:39

has to be some category for Christian violence

14:41

that is righteous . And

14:43

so what is that ? Otherwise , we were just

14:45

pacifists . That's where my interest

14:47

suddenly turned to like , well , what did happen

14:49

during the crusades ? And I think it was Ben Garrett

14:51

who was like , hey , you should watch these YouTube videos

14:54

on history of the crusades

14:56

and they're actually not as bad

14:58

as you've probably been taught . And so

15:00

that's that was some couple of years

15:02

ago really sparked my interest

15:05

into the crusades , and I think that I'm

15:07

just probably we're all products of our culture and

15:10

so I'm not some original thinker . None

15:12

of us really are . There is a zeitgeist

15:15

that is predominant amongst , uh

15:17

, I think , the most based Christians right now

15:19

to really have this curiosity

15:21

of Christendom what does a Christian

15:23

nation look like ? What is the way forward ? Because

15:25

you also see the demise , like we're heading

15:28

off the cliff as the government continues

15:30

to to print a trillion dollars $1

15:32

trillion every month , per second and

15:35

well per month it is per month . It's crazy

15:37

. And Biden

15:39

just just proposed a new capital

15:42

gains tax bill that

15:44

would increase cap , increase capital gains taxes

15:47

on the wealthiest people , ie

15:50

the people that take the most risk in

15:52

investing and starting businesses and , you

15:54

know , the most intelligent , and so people like

15:56

Dan people like Dan Berkowitz

15:58

, the most wealthy of men

16:00

. But you see , like , as , as the

16:02

economy continues to tank and as social

16:04

, you know , programs continue to to

16:07

overwhelm the world , social welfare

16:09

, and then they're going to tax those that

16:11

actually produce the most wealth , the most jobs

16:13

, the best ideas , the best innovation . You

16:15

know , that's just one aspect of our culture

16:17

right now . You see that everything's heading

16:19

off the cliff , and so you have to wonder , like , what

16:22

would it look like to actually change ? What

16:24

is it going to take ? Because something has to change

16:27

, it cannot continue this

16:29

direction , and so I

16:31

know that was a long and rambly answer , but I

16:33

think that's really why this has found

16:35

such fertile soil . These ideas of the Chris

16:37

, of Christendom , of the , the crusades

16:40

, uh , what do you actually have to do in

16:42

times with tyrants rule and

16:45

the direction of a whole people is

16:47

that which is off

16:49

a cliff , and we have examples

16:51

, we have many examples of this . We talked

16:53

about Alfred , you know , with yet

16:56

to be England , as

16:58

the people of God were

17:00

being judged for licentious behavior

17:02

and adultery and fornication , and

17:04

even , like we talked at

17:06

Yarmouk , where they thought that they were

17:08

being judged because of cross-dressing and homosexuality

17:11

transgenderism , if you will . And so

17:14

you see this happening and you know , the judgment

17:16

of God is coming . What do we

17:18

have responsibilities to do

17:20

? What ought we do ? And so I think that's

17:22

why this is so popular right now .

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Yeah , that's really helpful . Brian , I want to ask you the same

17:27

question . First , yeah , I was

17:29

recently reading the last battle

17:32

and you know it's funny because

17:34

there's this . You know , the story

17:36

that lewis tells is

17:38

that this dumb little darwin monkey , uh

17:40

, named shift , is telling

17:43

the people they're like , you know they have a

17:45

fake donkey who's dressed as aslan

17:48

and , uh , they're trying to pass

17:50

this off , but one of the things he says , the calamarians , they

17:53

have scimitars and turbans . Okay , who

17:55

do they represent ? Clearly , the muslims

17:57

, no but , in the line

17:59

. It's this propaganda which I found was really interesting

18:01

. And , dan , this is kind of my answer to the question

18:04

is that we have been

18:06

propagandized so long and

18:08

then , once people start to realize that parts

18:11

of it are untrue , that

18:13

they've been told a lie , I think people start

18:15

waking up . So you have again this darwin

18:18

ape monkey and he says

18:20

you know to everybody , tosh

18:23

is aslan , aslan is

18:25

tosh . And I was thinking this is you

18:27

know , 60 years ago

18:29

. But lewis really was on to something . You've

18:32

seen that rhetoric sped up now

18:34

and you know , perhaps on

18:36

steroids , but we're told all the time you

18:38

know that um allah is the same

18:41

as yahweh , same god

18:43

, one religion . And you

18:46

know . You go back , you read the Crusades and you're

18:48

like clearly not . Yeah

18:50

, clearly not the case . So , brian

18:52

, I'll pitch that to you . Why

18:55

do you think this subject matter is resonating

18:58

, taking hold ? Why do people find it so interesting

19:00

?

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Well , we talked in the first

19:03

part in the Crusades in Crusades

19:05

1 , about this idea

19:07

of a global

19:10

globalization

19:12

, pro-globalization , pro-secular

19:15

liberalism kind of contingent

19:19

that is bent on taking over the world

19:21

and imposing their

19:23

utopian ideals and

19:25

their ethic and really their religion on

19:27

all nations . That's

19:29

, that's straightforwardly happening . That's not like a

19:32

conspiracy theory , that's not a tinfoil hat , that's

19:34

like as solid as anything Alex Jones

19:36

has ever said . So I

19:38

mean a hundred percent . A hundred percent . I mean the guy's

19:40

got a good track record for calling stuff . But

19:43

in all seriousness , that really

19:45

is like we know this that there

19:47

is a concerted effort towards

19:50

essentially what is

19:52

a religious utopianism , that

19:54

that is prom down and deracinating every major competitor

19:56

, every

20:08

religious competitor , like Christianity

20:11

and Islam , if they can , if they can syncretize

20:14

both of those and they can say that

20:16

, yeah , roman Catholicism and and

20:19

and Islam and Protestantism

20:21

, these are all really fundamentally the same things in

20:23

Judaism and they all worship fundamentally

20:25

the same God . They have basically the same moral ideals

20:28

. Well , to really to

20:30

promote an idea as asinine as that

20:32

because it's ever it's a completely stupid idea

20:34

, it's just nonsense

20:36

. They make completely opposite claims

20:39

. Their gods are totally different , their moral systems

20:41

are totally different , their aims are totally different . If

20:44

you're going to successfully

20:46

convert the world to your religion

20:48

and subvert all of the competing religions

20:50

to become a non-competing

20:53

, syncretistic mush

20:55

that is malleable in your hand which is

20:57

really what is happening there , with Tash and Aslan

20:59

in Shift and the Calormans

21:01

in the Last Battle well

21:04

, if you want your religion to win , you have to weaken

21:06

all the other ones and turn them into mush

21:08

, and so you have to cut them off from their history so

21:11

that you can make absurd claims like Islam

21:13

and Christianity worship the same God . Well

21:16

, to do that , you have to cut them off from their history , their

21:18

heroes and I mean the Muslims and the Christians

21:20

and make a new kind of Islam and

21:22

a new kind of Christianity that are both

21:24

basically spineless and weak , and that you

21:26

can bend to your purposes . Well

21:29

, what's happening right now is

21:31

that there is a significant

21:33

portion of Islam , the Islamic world

21:35

, that laughs at that idea and

21:37

just says , ah hot , the decadent West , there's no way we're

21:39

going to fall , for that . We're not Christians , we don't worship the same God . In fact , we're going

21:41

to conquer all of your . No way we're going to fall , for that . We're not Christians

21:43

, we don't worship the same God . In

21:46

fact , we're going to conquer all of your lands

21:48

. We're going to invade them via immigration

21:50

and whatever means necessary , because

21:53

that's what our prophet told us to do , and

21:55

so we're going to do that . We're going to take over everything . The

21:57

problem is , the Christians , largely , are giving in

22:00

to these ideas , and have been for some time , so

22:02

they've been essentially

22:05

successfully co-opted by this big

22:07

globalistic push . They've

22:09

allowed themselves to become deracinated and

22:11

cut off from the roots of their faith and

22:14

their history , and so what

22:16

we're seeing is Muslim ascendancy in

22:20

a lot of these formerly Christian lands , which that

22:22

should echo with

22:25

narratives you've heard before . They've

22:27

done this before by the sword . They're doing it now via immigration

22:29

and other mechanisms . And

22:31

so to your question why are Christians now

22:34

, especially

22:36

in the farther right corners of Christianity

22:38

, rediscovering things

22:41

like the Crusades and

22:43

the former glory

22:45

and war-like capacities

22:47

and muscular versions

22:50

of our faith that have existed in history

22:52

? Well , because we need

22:54

to , because if we're not going

22:56

to be overrun and replaced

22:59

and destroyed , we're actually

23:01

going to need to look back and say hang

23:03

on , how did we deal with this in the past ? And

23:06

we find then that you can reconnect to the roots

23:08

and no longer be deracinated

23:10

, you can be rooted and you can rediscover

23:13

the heroes of the faith , and

23:16

you can . You can say no , we're

23:18

not going to give into being

23:21

co-opted by your utopian

23:23

, globalist religious strategy . We're not

23:25

going to worship your false gods . In

23:27

fact , um , we're going to

23:29

do what our forefathers did when they were faced

23:32

with such threats . I

23:34

think that I think that's a big part of it . There's a million

23:36

vectors that this interest comes

23:38

through , um , in the providence of god

23:41

, but yeah but that's , that's my basic

23:43

reading of the landscape , of why these things

23:45

are resurgent today .

23:47

Yeah , I also think it resonates with

23:49

people . I was just doing a day's vaults on

23:51

El Cid . Of course , the Lord

23:53

, the Lord El Sayed as the

23:56

Muslims called him . But it's interesting

23:58

because you look at the Iberian peninsula and

24:01

Spain which , by the way , this

24:06

is same time period as the first crusade . Yeah , um , so 10 eighties into 10 , 99

24:09

, uh , pope urban actually , before calling for the first

24:11

crusade , had called for aid to be sent to

24:13

Spain , and part of the reason why

24:15

was because Ferdinand the great has

24:18

died , alfonso is defeated

24:20

, um , and then you've got

24:23

really two minor kingdoms

24:25

in spain that remain and

24:27

those belong to el cid , and

24:30

somehow he fights against everyone

24:33

, including the african muslims

24:35

who were , I think raymond

24:37

ibrahim says they were what isis aspires

24:39

to be . That's how brutal

24:41

they were . Yeah , as somehow el cid

24:43

fights his entire life , he wipes him

24:45

off of pretty much off of the

24:47

Iberian Peninsula and

24:50

it could be said , at the end of El

24:52

Cid's life , in all the battles

24:54

he fought against the Muslims , the most brutal of all

24:56

Muslims , he never lost a single

24:59

battle . Wow , and

25:04

the Muslim , one of the Muslim emirs , said he said , said , I hate the

25:06

guy , he's a tyrant , but he said , of el sid

25:08

. Of all the precious gifts given to men

25:10

from the almighty , el

25:12

sid perhaps might be one of the greatest , and

25:15

that's from his enemy . So

25:17

check that out . On the day's fault , you

25:19

can get that on patreon only um

25:22

el sid . We've also recently done Richard

25:24

the Lionheart , so

25:27

we're going to go into more depth on a lot of these stories where you simply don't have time to do everything

25:29

in the main show . But , brian , I think you're right , it's

25:31

stuff like that where it inspires you and

25:34

you can look at your own condition and you say , yeah , we're beat back

25:36

and we're outnumbered and

25:38

the odds are stacked against us , but

25:40

there's something in the heart and soul of man that will resonate

25:43

with that , that pitch of masculinity

25:45

. By the way , there's a quote in that episode

25:47

which may be one of the greatest quotes of all time

25:49

. Another Emir said

25:52

of El Cid he was a hard man . No

25:54

way Like did he really His words

25:57

? Wow , not even a twinkle in his

25:59

eye , just his words . It's the hard

26:01

man podcast .

26:06

He words it's the hard man podcast .

26:07

he definitely sung it . He did not say it . That's what he's definitely in english

26:09

.

26:09

Uh , gentlemen , I want to ask you just kind of a preliminary

26:11

question . You know , we've read about antioch

26:13

and nicaea and

26:16

really there's fighting and it's impressive

26:18

all the fighting , but the amount of suffering

26:21

that these guys had to endure , the

26:23

miles that they had to slog Last episode we talked

26:26

about , you know , was like they basically lost a

26:28

person every 35 miles or something . This

26:30

was not an easy journey .

26:32

And I just want 35 people per mile .

26:34

Yeah , wow .

26:34

That's right , 35 people per mile . That's a big difference

26:37

and that's a lot of people .

26:38

That's a lot of people Wow .

26:40

So you know you get into these major battles

26:42

and they're much depleted by the time you get to Jerusalem

26:44

, as we'll read about in just a minute . You

26:47

know just a couple thousand people . It's

26:49

not like hundreds of thousands by

26:51

the end . That's what starts . So I

26:54

just want to ask you just the general tenor of these kind

26:56

of men ? What

27:03

kind of impression does that make on you when you realize you know , starvation , thirst , disease , this

27:05

is really like much soldiering , not actually

27:07

a lot of glory . Most of the

27:09

time it's . It's brutal .

27:11

It shows the , the absurdity

27:13

of the modern revisionist

27:16

narrative , the we hate Christians

27:18

revisionist narrative , that these were just

27:20

men who were bent on going and getting

27:22

lands and wealth and riches and

27:24

, you know , renown and all this

27:26

stuff . I mean , come on

27:28

, these guys largely

27:30

left behind wealth and

27:33

security and they had all the glory they

27:35

wanted , like . These guys were the lords

27:37

of the earth in their land , they were

27:39

the cultural elite , they had the respected

27:41

honor of their nations and

27:44

they were like the way that we look

27:46

at the Navy , seals or special , for I mean

27:48

plus nobility . And

27:51

they left that behind and they were willing to slog

27:53

through the , the haunt of jackals

27:56

in the waterless places

27:58

and unto death . Why

28:01

? Well , because of Christendom

28:04

, because they wanted they had heard of the

28:06

suffering of their brothers and sisters under

28:08

Muslim conquest , because they understood

28:11

the danger . And so one of the first things

28:13

it does for me is it just says what

28:15

a fifth commandment violation for

28:18

us to look back on them and think and

28:21

slander them as

28:23

money grubbers .

28:27

Absurd .

28:28

Yeah , one

28:31

of the things that we'll see after our second story in this episode is that after their subsequent

28:33

victory , that a lot of the men just went

28:35

home . Yeah , so this idea

28:37

that they were there for wealth and lands and everything like that

28:39

, really With like no treasure , I mean no .

28:42

They were broke the . Templars

28:44

were you know , we'll

28:47

get there .

28:48

Two of my favorite stories , by the way . You have a Norman

28:50

punching a Muslim horse in the face and

28:52

killing it and killing the horse and then saying

28:54

give me another horse and send this one back . So

28:57

that's a great story . One of the other things that's really interesting

28:59

I found was that crossbows

29:02

had been I think

29:04

the Pope had made them illegal . You

29:06

were not supposed to use them in warfare on

29:09

the mainland of Europe With Christians yeah , among Christians

29:11

fighting each other . But then when

29:13

the Crusades break out , they're like , crossbows

29:16

allowed now .

29:17

Well , because a crossbow , a soldier

29:19

, could train and be proficient in firing arrow

29:21

after arrow in like two weeks , versus

29:24

these longbow men they had to train

29:26

for months and years . Yeah right

29:28

they had extraordinary strength

29:30

to pull back these huge bows , and

29:32

so they were the . The nobility

29:35

pretty much ruled through

29:37

this technological warfare . The

29:39

crossbows basically brought the peasant masses

29:41

into war , and it

29:43

was blurring the distinction between the nobility

29:46

and the peasants , and so they were like

29:48

no crossbows , which is .

29:49

it's actually funny to me , dan , because in the bow

29:52

hunting world today the crossbows

29:54

are , I mean , vertical and horizontal bow

29:56

people Like there is a

29:58

lot of hatred .

29:59

It's the same thing , I mean . Can

30:01

you imagine ?

30:02

Yeah , longbow people are all the purists . Oh

30:04

, yeah , compound bow . And then when you bring a crossbow

30:06

, they're like it brings the dirty masses into

30:08

hunting . Yeah , it's

30:11

like this equal thing , dan . No comments on that from the , the

30:13

resident hunter .

30:14

I just , I think you just kill all the deer , you

30:17

just kill them all , kill as many as

30:19

you can with a Gatling gun from a helicopter .

30:21

The deer are Muslim .

30:22

Dan , no , they're not that bad . I mean

30:24

, and you eat them . We don't eat Muslims

30:26

. Please tell me we're not going to

30:28

eat any Muslims Actually .

30:30

I have to throw this out Part

30:32

of the El Cid story , like it's a long episode

30:34

.

30:34

Yeah , I know , I want to hear it .

30:36

There's plenty of stuff for people to be , you know

30:38

, to

30:48

whet their appetite of the kind of wet your appetite is . I hope it's not eating muslims and

30:50

wet wetting your appetite it's actually that the muslims may have been eating christians . They were

30:52

eating christians . Yes , I am familiar with that legit . So , yeah , definitely another plug there . Um , one

30:54

of the other things , brian , I want to ask you , uh

30:56

, as our sort of resident expert on

30:58

the miraculous ? The answer is yes the supernatural

31:01

the paranormal . Um

31:03

, I think this is tied together

31:05

with this story that we get from saint george

31:07

and I just want to ask

31:10

you if we should reject this or

31:12

accept this before you answer and

31:15

this part of a bigger discussion . I think we're not only

31:17

trying to re-enchant or to break the

31:19

magic , the dark magic enchantment

31:21

that's over our history in the west , but

31:24

part of what is tied to is this other project we

31:26

have with haunted cosmos , which is every

31:29

single one of the men in this era on the

31:31

christian side believed in a supernatural

31:33

world . Yes , they believed

31:35

in what we would call , quote-unquote , paranormal

31:37

. So why do you think that's

31:39

so important that we we talk about that ? Do you think this is real

31:42

? How do you read something like saint george

31:44

coming to fight

31:46

for his people ? which everybody there they

31:48

were like no , that happened even yeah

31:50

, I think even you know , the muslims were like I'd , they

31:53

had help well , because the battle was like

31:55

there's no way they should have won , humanly

31:58

speaking .

31:59

When you understand like yeah , losing 35

32:01

people , the state they were in when

32:03

they got to fighting , I

32:05

mean I can't imagine fighting

32:08

with , uh like

32:10

100 pounds of armor on horseback

32:12

, hand-to-hand combat . Haven't

32:15

eaten in months really being fully

32:17

healthy , let alone if

32:20

you were starving to death , you

32:22

know , on the verge of physical

32:24

collapse you're eating boots and

32:26

drinking horse blood .

32:28

Yeah , and outnumbered by

32:30

people who are on their home turf and

32:32

then going and winning Well , and

32:34

also like so they lay siege , they

32:38

take the city , then they become the besieged

32:40

and 30,000 freshly

32:43

yeah , like they're fresh Reinforcements

32:46

show up and you beat them and they charge out

32:48

of the city . Right , yeah , and they charge because

32:50

they realize they're like well , yeah , they weren't we

32:52

can't go through another siege .

32:54

They're just gonna die within weeks if

32:56

they try to hold the city

32:58

. That's sieged to be sieged . So

33:01

yeah , and then they all say , I mean , yeah

33:03

, then there was an angelic host led by saint

33:05

george .

33:06

You know the dragon killer and , um

33:08

, you know that they brought us victory I think

33:10

it's also an um interesting because , like

33:12

in 844 in spain

33:15

, they also had , uh , saint james

33:17

. They called him saint james the

33:19

moore slayer , and

33:21

the reason was they were like there was a battle , where

33:24

again you have chroniclers who reported this , but

33:26

they were like , yeah , saint james showed

33:28

up on a white charger and was

33:30

slaughtering muslims left and right in

33:32

this epic battle , and

33:35

so the question

33:37

is what do you do with this ? I mean , yeah , I

33:39

think even me , my , my sensibility

33:41

as a modern is I read that and go well

33:43

of course that's right .

33:44

I mean it's hagiography and

33:46

there's all this embellishment and

33:48

they were really prone to just looking

33:51

for angelic or heavenly signs

33:53

to validate their victory . Because you have to understand

33:55

that in this time this was one of the reasons that

33:57

Constantine probably didn't

33:59

come out as fully Christian

34:01

, like fully supporting Christian , calling

34:03

the Council Nicaea , until he

34:06

had won significant military

34:09

victories . Because military victories

34:11

in that time for a leader was

34:13

what showed people that you were the legitimate

34:16

ruler , because you had the divine assent

34:19

, that winning battles was

34:21

what showed , via the divine

34:23

powers , that you were the

34:25

correct ruler . So Constantine

34:28

had just won significant military victories

34:30

in the 320s and then he kind of came

34:32

, he had the political power at that point to come

34:34

out fully as a Christian . So

34:36

there are dynamics like that at play

34:38

to where , certainly like can

34:41

we look back and see that there are clear

34:43

moments in history where

34:45

people fabricate or at least

34:47

they have a really strong motive

34:50

that we can see for why they would say like , oh

34:52

no , god is the one who validated

34:55

me via this victory . But when I look at

34:57

some of these stories in the Crusades , I

35:00

don't see the same type

35:02

of motives at play , right

35:04

, you think about like they had

35:06

just won this stunning victory . The

35:08

temptation in my mind would be more

35:11

look how great we are , we

35:13

were the strongest , we're the best , we're the baddest

35:15

. Look , we were starving and we still beat these

35:17

Muslims . Look how great our armies

35:20

are , and instead they all

35:22

said no , god supernaturally

35:25

came and we would have lost . We

35:27

had no hope , but God fought

35:29

for us . And I think , before we

35:31

too quickly dismiss these stories as

35:33

fabrications , we have to say

35:35

hang on . Well , I mean , is that ? Is

35:37

there anything in scripture that would forbid us from saying

35:40

that could happen ? Well , no , is there

35:42

anything in scripture that might lead us to say that that's

35:44

a thing that does happen ? Well

35:46

, yeah , that happens in

35:48

the Bible , like where God shows

35:50

up and , for example , strikes , you

35:53

know , tens of thousands of soldiers blind and

35:55

then sends them home , or when armies

35:58

are seen in the heavens for those with eyes to see

36:00

, fighting on behalf of God's people

36:02

. So to me , it

36:04

would make perfect sense that

36:07

this would be something that would be with the grain

36:09

of God's character to do , and

36:11

so I'm not prone

36:14

to assume that my forefathers were

36:16

liars , and

36:18

I have no biblical reason to

36:20

reject it as a possibility and in fact

36:22

have biblical reason to say that's

36:24

more the kind of world that we live in than

36:26

this default materialist

36:29

world where everything's

36:31

just atoms moving . So what

36:33

I'm saying is 100% St George led

36:35

the angelic hosts to the Muslims .

36:37

I was going to say in the words of Ben Garrett we've

36:40

confirmed that it happened . Dan , I want

36:42

to get your take on this . Do you read

36:45

this ? And you say I think St George was there

36:48

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36:52

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41:36

St George was made up

41:38

.

41:39

I'm just I'm trying to , you know , I'm trying to

41:41

prime the poem .

41:42

I know , I know you're trying to make me mad . Actually , if you recall

41:44

from our interview with Dr Ben Merkle , I

41:46

had brought up right next

41:49

to Whitehorse Hill where Alfred fought at

41:51

the Battle of Ashdown . The

41:54

adjacent hill is called

41:56

Dragon Mound , or Dragon

41:58

Hill , I think is what it's called , Whereas

42:01

reported that that's where the dragon

42:03

laid that saint george had

42:05

killed , and it was so large

42:07

it left a mountain anyway

42:09

. So , uh , what do I think

42:11

about this ? Yeah , it's interesting as I read

42:13

these stories , because you'll see this a couple of times

42:15

, like you had mentioned , in the crusades , where

42:17

you have some supernatural event

42:20

happen , where there is somebody fighting alongside

42:22

them or they find like the spear that

42:24

was thrust into the side of christ

42:26

while he was on the cross , uh , things

42:29

like that . And it is difficult

42:31

especially as a protestant , by the way

42:33

to look at icons and relics

42:35

and things like that and immediately your knee-jerk

42:37

reaction is none of that , absolutely

42:40

none of that as a protestant . But

42:43

, like Brian had said , if

42:45

you actually just think in biblical categories

42:47

, what would prevent God

42:50

from sending even if it wasn't St George

42:52

, but sending like a terrible

42:54

angel of death

42:56

to fight with them ? What

42:59

prevents that from happening ? Is there

43:01

something in the new covenant that says that

43:03

where God says like oh , by the way , I'm

43:05

actually not going to intervene anymore , you

43:07

now have the Holy Spirit and so you're enough

43:10

? Like you know , god never

43:12

says , uh , something like

43:14

that . And and so if we believe our

43:16

Bible , then you have to

43:18

come to some conclusion , like if these

43:20

men were not lying which , like

43:22

Brian said , I think there's compelling reason

43:25

through their motives , because there wasn't

43:27

a man who was trying to ascend

43:29

to become a legitimate

43:31

king or something like that . They were

43:33

beleaguered and there's no reason that

43:35

they should have been able to win . And they say

43:37

that there was some supernatural event in

43:39

the form of St George who was killing

43:42

the Mohammedans . I mean

43:44

, I don't have any reason to not

43:46

believe them , and in fact , there is

43:48

probably a part of all of us that we have to

43:50

be a little bit careful of , but I want

43:52

to believe it .

43:53

Yeah , sure , and there is a biblical

43:55

, theological arc that I think is important

43:58

to understand when it comes to

44:00

the angelic and the human in

44:02

the arc of redemptive history . And that's that , it's

44:04

always true . It's always true Eric

44:06

took the words right out of my mouth . Well , it

44:08

is the arc that man

44:11

in Christ is going to

44:13

be made higher than the angels . Yeah

44:15

, and so angels are superintendents

44:18

and they are used by God , particularly

44:21

in the old covenant , aeon , in

44:23

ways that as , as man matures

44:26

, he grows into his own and eventually

44:29

becomes one who judges angels

44:31

. So there's this , you

44:34

see it in Lord of the Rings , actually with

44:37

Gandalf . Gandalf is a Maya . He

44:39

is essentially , to put it

44:41

very ham-fistedly he's kind of like an angelic

44:44

being who's given embodied form in

44:46

Middle Earth to perform certain tasks . There's limitations on his power until he's kind of like an angelic being who's given embodied form in middle earth

44:48

to perform certain tasks . There's limitations on his

44:50

power until he's reincarnated

44:52

after his fight with the Balrog , and then those

44:55

limitations are largely removed . So

44:57

he comes back and he's kind of like an angelic figure

44:59

who leads the men and

45:02

the hobbits , but he leads

45:04

them into full maturity until

45:06

they can rule hobbits

45:09

, but he leads them into full maturity until they can rule , and then he says

45:11

my time has passed . His goal wasn't to enthrone himself as angelic powers

45:13

over the men . In fact

45:15

, that's what you see , with demons ruling

45:17

over the nations prior to christ's

45:20

defeat of the powers on

45:22

the cross , and now we see

45:24

the powers fleeing . However

45:26

, I do so there's an arc where

45:28

man we should expect through history , for

45:31

man in Christ in his maturity , to

45:33

end up taking governing roles in

45:36

God's world . That are the

45:38

roles of maturity , where they don't need

45:40

angelic hosts

45:42

, oversight in the same way , kind of thing . However

45:45

, it would make sense to me in that

45:47

narrative when you would see the

45:50

powers fighting , like where

45:52

a nation that is ruled over by demon gods

45:54

and the

45:56

cross is advancing , that

45:58

you would see the battle of a

46:00

cosmic nature along

46:03

with the battle of flesh and

46:05

blood . And so to me it would

46:07

be consistent , even with that narrative arc Again

46:09

, I don't know but to see that

46:12

there are spiritual battles happening behind

46:14

thrones and dominions and powers , with

46:17

the advance of Christianity to

46:19

go and claim an idolatrous land

46:23

ruled by a demon God . So who's

46:25

to say ? I mean so , who's to say ? I think that

46:27

all plays into how we view these stories and

46:29

and what we need to do is retrain our mind

46:32

this is one of the projects of haunted cosmos and

46:34

of the King's hall is that we're retraining

46:36

our minds to stop thinking

46:38

the way that those globalist

46:41

, um utopian elites

46:43

have tried to train us to think , which

46:46

is anti-supernaturalist and anti-Christian

46:49

, and instead we need to train our minds

46:51

to think truly supernaturally

46:54

, christianly and Christianly

46:56

in all things . So to me , I'm like I look

46:58

at it and go why not

47:00

?

47:00

You know it does make sense , because as you read

47:02

through a lot of these , a lot of the literature

47:05

about the crusades , we

47:08

often conflate time periods , you

47:10

know so . So the crusades happen over

47:12

a very large span of time , and

47:14

so , as you read the narratives

47:16

, the number of people across

47:18

a large span of time that mention

47:20

the muslims being like

47:23

demons or calling them demons

47:25

, yeah , and I think some ways , justly

47:28

because what they're identifying is that no

47:30

human being could act the

47:32

way that some of the Muslims were

47:34

acting and some of the deeds that they

47:36

had done were subhuman

47:39

in nature . Yeah , and I

47:41

so I think I think you're right . What

47:43

we're seeing is is almost like , closer

47:45

to the surface of the material world

47:47

, the supernatural is bleeding

47:50

over , or like spilling over

47:52

into a lot of these events . So it shouldn't

47:54

surprise us that we see saint george that's

47:58

what I think , yeah , no , I think that's great .

48:00

Uh , one of the other things , brian , you mentioned earlier that I just

48:02

want to touch upon real quick is

48:04

, uh , that when guys

48:06

are victorious , when you have a bohemond , it

48:09

, it plays into why he's validated

48:11

as a leader . Yeah , now , obviously some

48:14

of these guys would look to you know a divine

48:16

uh , you know divine right of

48:18

kings , or that that god had ordained it

48:20

. I might agree with him in many cases there

48:22

. Um , but , dan , this , this

48:24

kind of idea that

48:26

you know , even even in our time period , that

48:29

you have to be successful in battles , you

48:31

have to win battles to win

48:33

the hearts of men Um , can you

48:35

think of any modern examples of this , I guess

48:37

, and then like , why is that so important ? Do you agree

48:39

with ?

48:39

it man . Brian , do you have any examples

48:42

off the top of your head ?

48:43

We're nodding your head . Yeah , I

48:53

mean , that is is actually . I did not connect those dots . I'm glad you

48:55

did , because this is there is an element of this was true in pagan uh , what a pagan

48:57

is the wrong word . I mean colloquially , it was the classic mythology

48:59

of rome that they would appeal to their gods

49:02

and their gods would give them victory and

49:04

that would validate a king . So

49:06

there's elements of idolatry there , but it's

49:09

usual . It's latching onto something true

49:11

, which is that we

49:14

ought to follow courage and proven

49:16

mettle and success in

49:18

leadership and fighting the right battles

49:20

. So today you

49:22

see this in . This is a very it

49:24

seems like a silly example when you compare

49:26

it to like the Muslims ruling over the East

49:28

in Antioch and freeing

49:31

people from the rape , rapine

49:33

and murderous rule of Muslims

49:35

, like . So I get that . But when you

49:37

look at some of the battles that are fought today

49:39

in the fronts of

49:41

the fight in Christendom , their

49:44

battles over things like anthropology

49:46

and the

49:48

correct Christian view of human sexuality

49:50

against the enslaving

49:52

, demonic ideologies

49:55

of transgenderism and

49:57

homosexuality

49:59

and gender

50:02

sex roles what what is a man ? What is a ? What

50:04

are they for ? And I think

50:06

what you'll see more and more

50:08

is that people will follow

50:10

courage in these battles

50:12

where it's one of the patriarchy

50:15

. The way that we do is because we really

50:29

believe that , even though some of these are minority views , that

50:32

they are not only correct views , but

50:34

they are essential areas of attack

50:36

by the demonic

50:38

, false gods of the day . They're not doing

50:41

it via swords yet

50:43

. They're doing it via mind

50:46

virus , discipleship , and

50:52

so what we need to do is say no . We need to courageously stand here , win that battle . And what's happening

50:55

is that the men , even of the previous generation

50:57

or two in Christianity that

50:59

were leaders , have not

51:01

stood strong on these fronts and

51:04

they have given way and their institutions

51:06

have been conquered by wokeism and

51:08

other sexual perversions or softness

51:10

on sex roles or things like this , and

51:13

so what they're in the process of doing

51:15

is losing the hearts of

51:17

young Christian men and

51:19

women coming up in the next

51:21

generations who look at them and say , in

51:24

the exact places where you needed to be courageous

51:26

, and

51:28

say , in the exact places where you needed to be courageous , you were soft and political and

51:31

your institutions are cooked . And so what's funny

51:33

is that God will then raise up , some of the

51:35

time , in situations like

51:37

this , leaders that are kind

51:39

of like funny in the sense that we've

51:41

led in some of these conversations or we've had parts

51:44

to play in

51:46

some of these conversations from Ogden . And

51:48

who are we ? We're

51:53

like there's nothing about Ogden

51:56

that you should look to and say we joke that we

51:58

finally have a pastoral candidate with an MDiv

52:00

, like now for the first

52:03

time . And so

52:05

why do people listen to the King's Hall ? I

52:11

hope it's because we were courageous in some of these battles . That were the correct

52:13

battles and unwilling to be

52:15

political or soft on some of those battles .

52:17

Yeah , and sometimes I look at it and I think sometimes it's

52:19

a Twitter battle and

52:22

I know that a lot of people will say , oh that's , that's

52:24

really dumb , but I think in our day it's not . When you go

52:26

into the public sphere and you defend

52:28

female modesty and

52:30

you get attacked by Adidas UK and you

52:32

get attacked by everybody in the world and you stand your

52:34

ground and you defend your principles

52:37

, I think in some ways , like

52:39

that can be , that can feel like

52:41

winning a battle . I think when you

52:43

build a community and it thrives , that is winning a battle . When you build a community and

52:45

it thrives , that is winning a battle

52:47

. I think when you faithfully

52:49

go through changes in the church , as you guys

52:51

have , and you lead your

52:54

people and you faithfully discipline sin

52:56

and you hold strong even

52:58

though people hate you and leave , I

53:00

think those are battles won . And then you

53:03

get to a

53:05

point where more people will say , OK , I'm

53:07

willing to follow you because you fought your battles and you

53:09

won your battles . I love

53:11

this in Judges , chapter 11

53:13

. The elders of Gilead . This

53:15

is after Gideon the elders of Gilead . They come

53:17

to Jephthah and they say we want you to be the head over

53:19

us , we want you to lead . And

53:22

Jephthah said to the elders of Gilead

53:24

this is Judges 11 , verse

53:26

9 , if you bring me home again

53:28

to fight against the Ammonites and the Lord gives

53:30

them over to me , then I will be your head

53:32

, and I think this is that principle

53:35

? of . If you win

53:37

battles , then you

53:39

know there is , as Brian said , there's some

53:42

sense of validation from the Lord , but

53:44

also that if you really

53:47

want people to follow you , I mean this is kind

53:49

of like the guy like say , say , we have a business

53:51

podcast , and we say , oh , follow us for

53:53

all these great tips , and we're like , oh , where's your business

53:55

?

53:56

We don't have one . But yeah , do you have any

53:59

success that you could show us ? Or like

54:01

people would be right Not to listen

54:03

and people the the

54:05

ancient mind was right on

54:08

a level to think like that . There's a level

54:10

where you can become superstitious and

54:13

idolatrous and in

54:15

a similar error to the prosperity gospel , because

54:18

we have righteous men who suffered

54:20

and suffered defeat and setback

54:22

, and it wasn't one to one because God hadn't

54:25

appointed them as a leader and

54:27

it wasn't one-to-one because God hadn't appointed them as a leader . However , it's

54:29

right often for civilizations and a people

54:31

in a church or a family to introspect , to

54:33

look and , before God , say we're

54:35

suffering defeat here . Is

54:37

there sin in the camp ? Is there something

54:40

that we're putting ourselves out

54:42

of the way of God's blessing when

54:44

he tells us do you want to be out of the way of my

54:46

blessing ? Well then , sin in these ways . Okay

54:49

, do you want to be in the way of my blessing ? Then

54:51

, in faith , obey

54:59

my commands . And we're so quick to boil these things down to superstition and

55:01

legalism that sometimes we don't properly weigh God's

55:04

covenantal judging and blessing

55:06

that he's still doing across

55:09

all sorts of domains . He's

55:11

still doing that because his nature didn't change

55:13

.

55:14

Yeah , and I think about the American church and you're like , okay

55:16

, why have we been so culturally irrelevant

55:18

? You ought to go back to your knees in

55:21

prayer and you ought to plead with the Lord

55:23

and say , lord , why ?

55:24

Well , and people say , well , hang on

55:26

, that's just . That's just legalism . We're in Christ

55:29

. Christ won all the blessings and took all of the curse

55:31

, so that that dynamic was prototypical

55:33

, it was a shadow that's been fulfilled in Christ . And I say not

55:36

so fast , read revelation , because

55:38

Christ is the one who walks among

55:40

the lampstands of the seven churches and

55:43

he's the one who still pronounces post-resurrection

55:46

, post-enthronement , he

55:48

pronounces his blessing and curse for obedience

55:50

and disobedience upon the churches in

55:53

Thyatira and in , you know

55:55

, in these various regions

55:57

of the church .

55:59

He's still doing that . Well , it's interesting too , just to point out in Revelation

56:01

. Then , dan , I promise I will get to you .

56:04

Dan keeps trying to talk , and it's just me and Eric , but

56:06

I love this .

56:07

You were talking about angels before , and

56:09

John has given the revelation

56:11

. He says tell the angel of the church . Yeah

56:13

, and

56:18

so you could even think in a modern sense that , like the Moscow's and the Ogden's

56:20

of the world and the Batavia's have an angel of oversight

56:24

for the church . I mean , this

56:26

is in the new Testament , it's in revelation . It's

56:28

not like a crazy idea .

56:30

Yeah . And then people go well , is that a , is that the

56:32

minister , or is it an angelic being ? And I say

56:34

see our previous discussion about the

56:37

biblical theology of the rule of man and angels

56:39

and and there's a case to be made in both

56:41

directions , but certainly God's

56:44

angels are involved- I

56:46

just know that our angel has been disappointed

56:48

. He's so many times looking at us going

56:50

, are you ?

56:52

serious Again .

56:53

He's like I'm out

56:55

here fighting day after day .

56:57

I'm keeping the demons back .

56:59

You got the Mormon demons . They're tough demons

57:01

and then you guys go do that . You

57:04

tweet that he's like looking

57:06

at his phone going . Lord

57:09

, give me patience with these people .

57:10

I just want to pull on that thread that you

57:12

had mentioned about winning

57:15

battles and ascending to leadership

57:17

because of courage and things like that . You

57:19

know and I think you can . You can definitely see some modern

57:21

examples . I think George Washington is

57:24

actually a good example of that . You know

57:26

, fighting the British and everything like that , and he was he

57:28

should have been actually continue .

57:30

Yeah , I agree , I agree

57:32

.

57:32

And then you even have bad examples like George

57:34

W Bush , who his popularity

57:37

after the contrived nine 11 attacks and

57:39

everything like that . Where was

57:41

I not supposed to say that ? I thought this was just generally

57:43

accepted at this point . It is among

57:45

us and then does not

57:47

, even though it has the appearance of courage , does not

57:50

lead with courage . And

57:52

actually you can see this best

57:54

, I think , in smaller spheres

57:57

like the church , to where you

57:59

have examples We've talked about

58:01

them in season one of the King's Hall

58:03

where you have men who start out courageously

58:06

, and I think this is where temptations lie for people

58:08

like us . In

58:10

similar ways , as you look at the Crusades

58:12

, a story that we just told in Antioch , the guys are

58:14

starving . There's like well , what are

58:17

they going to do ? They have to fight or they're going to die . There's really

58:19

not a lot to lose . Same thing for

58:22

men in our situation and

58:28

a lot of ministers that have pastors that have gained a larger platform in

58:31

the past is like what did they have to lose ? They had a small church and they just they fought

58:33

the battles that they needed to fight and they did it courageously

58:35

. And and then , all of a sudden , they gathered

58:37

themselves a larger church and larger

58:39

influence and larger platforms . And

58:42

where does the temptation lie ? Well , it's to rest

58:44

on your laurels . And this is where I think

58:46

you get a lot of the older men who are like

58:48

well , you know , yeah , you think you guys are courageous

58:51

. You know all of you young bucks , all of you zoomers

58:53

out there that are meme posting and stuff like that

58:55

, but I've been fighting this battle since

58:57

the 1970s . You know I've been

58:59

fighting this in the 80s Were you around for

59:01

this ? And the answer

59:03

rightly from a lot of the younger men is like

59:05

well , yeah , but where are you today ? Where

59:08

are you today ? Because the fire and the courage

59:10

that won you the hearts of men , you have

59:12

since abandoned for comfort and

59:14

for ease and you're now resting on

59:17

your laurels . So you once were a

59:19

great warrior of the faith and

59:21

have since . You have retired , but you're

59:23

still filling the position of a courageous

59:25

man and you're just pretending you're a poser

59:27

. But you're still filling the position of a courageous man and you're

59:29

just pretending you're a poser . And so I think that is definitely a temptation

59:31

, not just in in history for kings and but

59:33

also for for men that are in any

59:35

area of authority , including fathers

59:38

. I think it's especially true for fathers

59:40

as well . It's

59:47

, in some ways , it's easy because your decisions are very limited when you have a young family and you

59:49

have an early career and courage doesn't cost as much . But what

59:52

happens when you have a 401k that's

59:54

rather large and you have , you know

59:56

, a high position at a company

59:58

you know and you're known

1:00:01

in these circles , and courage

1:00:03

, you know , comes knocking

1:00:06

and says are you going to actually embrace me or

1:00:08

are you going to reject me ? We saw this in 2020

1:00:10

, 2021 with masks

1:00:13

and vaccines and all that you know , and

1:00:15

it was a really good apocalypse

1:00:17

and unveiling of who is going to be courageous and

1:00:19

stand the test . But the thing is that

1:00:21

was just , that was like training wheels . Right

1:00:23

, that was the first first of many

1:00:26

to come as things continue to devolve

1:00:28

in our culture and in in in

1:00:30

Western , in the Western world , with immigration

1:00:33

and all of the things that are posing threats against us

1:00:35

. Is that that was like the first test

1:00:37

here . Let's let's , let's see how you measure

1:00:39

and then we'll , we'll do the training and

1:00:41

the things that are going to be hard will come , and

1:00:44

so I think that this for all men

1:00:46

in all areas of authority , is to

1:00:48

not rest on your laurels of times that

1:00:50

you were courageous . Don't be like

1:00:52

the overweight 40 year old guy that's still

1:00:54

living as high school , you know , state

1:00:56

championship football team

1:00:58

days and that was a good season , though

1:01:01

it was a good season .

1:01:02

I can throw that ball over the mountain . Yeah

1:01:04

, yeah .

1:01:05

But I mean it's a joke because it's actually

1:01:07

it's true . People do it and people do

1:01:09

it . So it's just a temptation for everyone .

1:01:11

Yeah , I also think for just very practical

1:01:13

, for you know , guy in the pew , blue collar

1:01:15

guy , when you think about courage . Sometimes

1:01:18

courage is saying to your daughter

1:01:20

you're not going to wear that . Sometimes it's saying to your daughter

1:01:22

, yeah , we're actually not

1:01:24

going to buy the new Taylor Swift album , and

1:01:26

I know people think this is crazy , but it's like for

1:01:29

a lot of men who even listen to the show , like

1:01:31

to say something to their wife or daughter about

1:01:33

something like that would cause

1:01:35

a problem totally . And

1:01:37

so I think being courageous even in the little things , uh

1:01:40

, gentlemen , I want to kind of transition

1:01:42

to a question I have about the crusades

1:01:44

for you . I read these and I think

1:01:46

this seems a little Old Testament . They

1:01:49

seem a little barbaric . The crusaders were cutting

1:01:52

off heads . Maybe Karen Armstrong

1:01:54

was right that Jesus was a pacifist

1:01:57

. He was more like Gandhi and

1:01:59

these guys were man , just

1:02:01

brutal . So , brian , let's

1:02:03

start with you . They didn't have a Geneva

1:02:05

Convention back then

1:02:07

. How do we understand this type

1:02:09

of warfare and not be

1:02:12

limp-wristed , effeminate moderns

1:02:14

like so many people are ?

1:02:16

Yeah , so the thing about warfare is that you

1:02:18

win by killing the other people

1:02:20

. One more time , you win wars

1:02:23

by killing people oh interesting . Or

1:02:25

terrifying them into not wanting

1:02:27

to kill you anymore .

1:02:29

That's like a John Madden answer the way you win a football

1:02:31

team game is by scoring more points

1:02:33

than the other team you just have to kill more people

1:02:36

.

1:02:37

But you go , you look at this is . This is a difficult

1:02:39

question . It's one that's actually been wrestled

1:02:41

with throughout the ages of

1:02:43

Christian theology

1:02:46

, politics , culture by such men

1:02:48

as Augustine and just war theory , and

1:02:51

all the way through to the civil war . You can

1:02:53

look at the disagreements that Christian

1:02:56

men had . Stonewall Jackson

1:02:58

, his initial instinct and

1:03:01

conviction as he was a teacher

1:03:03

at a military college and looking at this impending

1:03:05

war , he said the only

1:03:07

way for the South to win is

1:03:09

a black flag war where

1:03:12

we storm the North and we

1:03:14

raise and burn and destroy

1:03:16

until they lose their political will to fight

1:03:18

and capitulate quickly .

1:03:20

And we win fast .

1:03:21

Because he understood that they had far more manufacturing

1:03:24

ability , they had more population

1:03:26

, they had all sorts of advantages strategically

1:03:29

. So the only advantage that he could

1:03:31

reach for militarily if you're going

1:03:33

to fight a war , was to black

1:03:35

flag it , to raise the Jolly Roger and

1:03:37

go . And you can . You can debate

1:03:40

with with Stonewall Jackson about that

1:03:42

, but but he was probably right

1:03:44

in that that was the only way the South could have

1:03:46

won .

1:03:47

And it was merciful .

1:03:48

It was also , in his view , merciful

1:03:50

. He would make that argument that it would have saved

1:03:52

lives . I'm not trying to kill as many people as possible

1:03:54

. I'm actually trying to end a war as quickly and

1:03:56

expeditiously as possible . So

1:03:59

there are tensions that get into the , and this

1:04:02

is why good Christians are going to disagree about some

1:04:04

of these questions . There

1:04:14

are legitimate tensions in wisdom with respect to one principle ramming into another principle . So

1:04:16

you're going . There's the sheer pragmatism of waging a war when you go . If you want to

1:04:18

win , you must fight like this , just

1:04:20

humanly speaking . And

1:04:22

some people are going

1:04:24

to land more on the side of

1:04:26

that sort of persuasion . They're going

1:04:28

to say no , militarily . I

1:04:30

know that you might not have the stomach or political

1:04:32

will for a war like this , but

1:04:35

so , a , don't fight wars if you don't have

1:04:37

to , because this is what wars are like . Make

1:04:40

sure you're waging just wars . But

1:04:42

B , if you want to win , this is how you're going to

1:04:44

have to do it . On the other hand , I think you also

1:04:46

have you

1:04:48

do have men who argue convictionally

1:04:51

from a more covenantal

1:04:53

, supernatural view , where they say no , we

1:04:55

have to fight Christianly , and that

1:04:57

means that

1:04:59

we have to abide by black

1:05:02

flag . War is out . We're not allowed

1:05:04

to do what the nations do when

1:05:06

they wage war , and

1:05:09

I think the truth is going to

1:05:11

take elements of both of those . For

1:05:13

sure and I'm not trying to be limp-wristed

1:05:15

middle of the road but , genuinely speaking

1:05:17

, christians ought not to wage

1:05:19

war via rape . We

1:05:22

shouldn't be sending soldiers out the Christian

1:05:24

forces yeah , go terrorize them by raping

1:05:26

all their women . That's what the nations do . That's how

1:05:28

war has been fought from the beginning . Christians

1:05:30

shouldn't do that . So there are going to be

1:05:32

lines that are going to fall more on

1:05:35

that . We must please the Lord

1:05:37

in how we fight as well , lest

1:05:39

he give us over to our enemies . That's

1:05:41

absolutely part of it . And then there's also

1:05:44

the part , though , where , in terms of political

1:05:46

will and stomach , where you're , you're killing . That

1:05:48

is what war is . It's killing people .

1:05:50

So you can't kill people like

1:05:53

nicely Right , and I

1:05:55

think , because of modern warfare and

1:05:57

our , we've become accustomed to it to

1:05:59

a degree where there is so much distance

1:06:01

between men that are at battle

1:06:03

that it is uncomfortable when you're like , no , this

1:06:05

guy had a cudgel , I mean like it's a big

1:06:08

club and he's brains out . Beat his

1:06:10

brains out , yeah , or they would hack limbs

1:06:12

off or whatever it is . It

1:06:14

is gruesome and it's it's face

1:06:16

to face and I I've obviously

1:06:19

I've never been in that position where

1:06:21

you're you're doing hand to hand combat

1:06:23

with , with edged and blunt weapons of

1:06:26

that nature . But I can't imagine

1:06:28

what it does to a man when the

1:06:30

like , the blood fury is

1:06:33

, is on you and it's . It's different because of the

1:06:35

distance in which which we now fight

1:06:37

our wars , and so it seems cleaner , is

1:06:40

my point . Yeah , it seems like a cleaner

1:06:42

war when you shoot someone or when you drop a

1:06:44

bomb .

1:06:45

It's not , it's not actually it , it's not . You just don't

1:06:47

see it exactly I think

1:06:49

there was something , uh , in this time

1:06:51

period too , that they so

1:06:54

there was an honor in hand-to-hand combat

1:06:56

and you were to fight a certain

1:06:58

way , all that . But I I

1:07:00

think also rodney stark is really helpful here , because

1:07:03

he says , like you know , cutting heads

1:07:05

off and throwing them into the city , what we do have

1:07:07

to give , we can't read our history back

1:07:09

into it . Right , that was

1:07:11

the way that wars were fought . And

1:07:13

so you again to Brian's point . You can

1:07:15

make arguments . Lots of people Augustine

1:07:17

and others had just war theory and people

1:07:20

were always trying to work this out . What's

1:07:22

interesting to me is that modern

1:07:24

warfare it

1:07:27

sort of portrays itself

1:07:29

as like more sanitary . And then you get

1:07:31

to like World War I and II and you're like the barbarism

1:07:33

of modern mechanized

1:07:36

warfare is so much

1:07:38

greater in scale than anything

1:07:40

that was happening here . Oh yeah , it's

1:07:42

just to your point . It's like , well , you

1:07:44

know , we just do it away where you don't see it . You

1:07:46

know , like today , it's like we don't actually

1:07:49

see people being gassed in trenches we

1:07:51

could kill .

1:07:52

But it happened . We could kill 100

1:07:54

million people before sunset

1:07:56

today if we wanted . America

1:07:59

If we had the political will and we decided well

1:08:01

, just nuclear weapons . We could

1:08:03

drop some two-stage , multi-stage

1:08:05

thermonuclear weapons on anywhere

1:08:07

we wanted in the world , with some stealth bombers

1:08:10

or ICBMs , and we could kill 100

1:08:12

million people in fire .

1:08:14

This is actually a really interesting point , though , because Tucker

1:08:16

was recently on Joe Rogan and

1:08:18

Tucker was like are you kidding me ? Like

1:08:22

you know , we're going to talk about the Crusades , right , and we're going to be like

1:08:25

, oh , that was brutal , we shouldn't have done that there

1:08:29

. And we're going to be like oh , that was brutal , shouldn't have done that . There are Americans today who are defending dropping nuclear bombs on civilization , on citizens of Japan , and

1:08:32

Tucker's point was he was like are you kidding me

1:08:34

?

1:08:34

I'm not going to defend that . It was his point . He's

1:08:36

like no , and you know what's funny is that because you have

1:08:38

people on both sides that are actually kind of on our team

1:08:41

, I would say yeah , of the Hir , hiroshima

1:08:43

Nagasaki bombs . This is

1:08:45

the same debate in

1:08:47

principle , by the way , about the people who are

1:08:49

now saying Christians should not

1:08:52

vote for Donald Trump , no matter

1:08:54

what , even though Biden's

1:08:56

the worst president in history his

1:08:58

recent comments on abortion you

1:09:00

can't vote for Donald Trump . So I think what

1:09:02

you're seeing here and

1:09:04

they'll say , because that would displease the Lord

1:09:06

and all you're doing is inviting God's judgment

1:09:08

. If you actually want to put yourself in the way of God's blessing , you

1:09:10

have to fight the war the way that God commands , and

1:09:13

so what you're seeing in that

1:09:15

debate is the same thing as

1:09:17

in these debates . It is the question

1:09:20

of it's

1:09:22

the people who are . I think what you're seeing

1:09:25

is the people who are wired primarily politically versus

1:09:27

the people who are wired primarily theologically

1:09:29

. So you have people operating in different

1:09:31

worlds and they're each bringing the rules

1:09:33

of their world into the other , and

1:09:36

they're in the political sphere and they're thinking

1:09:38

like the theologian , or they're in the theologian

1:09:41

or the politician

1:09:43

thinking in the theologian's world , and it's actually

1:09:45

, I think the first

1:09:47

thing you have to say is that these are very

1:09:50

difficult questions and

1:09:52

one thing we do know is that if we're going to succeed

1:09:55

, we have to have political coalitions

1:09:57

amidst people who disagree

1:09:59

about some of these finer

1:10:02

points in any given application or

1:10:04

another . Because otherwise , in

1:10:08

any given application or another , because otherwise we'll we'll purity spiral

1:10:10

until we have the tiniest factions of like well , what do you ? What do you think about

1:10:13

the atomic bombs ? Well , I was not

1:10:15

okay with those . Okay , good , we're not okay with

1:10:17

those . But what about the firebombing of Dresden ? Okay

1:10:19

, well , we're , we're not okay with those . But what

1:10:21

about the because you , it's not just

1:10:23

the the the nuclear bombs

1:10:25

in Japan , we

1:10:28

firebombed civilians for five years before

1:10:30

that . All the allies did

1:10:32

in Europe and everywhere

1:10:34

, and they did it back . Killing

1:10:36

civilians was just a part of it's the same

1:10:38

kind of idea as doing

1:10:40

what they did in the Crusades . That was the rules

1:10:42

of how war was fought , and just

1:10:45

because you didn't do it doesn't mean the other guy's

1:10:47

not going to do it . So a lot of the time

1:10:49

, the question genuinely , which is difficult

1:10:51

, is that do we

1:10:53

want a war where civilians are being

1:10:55

firebombed , everyone would say no , but

1:10:58

what happens when they start firebombing your civilians

1:11:00

? What are you going to do ? And

1:11:03

a lot of people are like well , we're going to

1:11:05

raise the Jolly Roger , we're going to go Stonewall

1:11:07

Jackson , end this war as quickly as possible , try to save

1:11:09

as many lives as possible , and we're going

1:11:11

to go wage a black flag total

1:11:13

war , a hyper war . That's

1:11:16

what we're going to do , and I

1:11:18

think my point isn't that I know

1:11:20

the answers to all these things . My point is that

1:11:22

it's genuinely a difficult question . It's genuinely a

1:11:25

difficult question and

1:11:27

you have to remember that what

1:11:29

we're talking about are issues of where

1:11:31

intestinal fortitude is

1:11:34

going to be needed because you're

1:11:36

dealing with horrific

1:11:38

, horrific effects of sin in

1:11:40

the world when you get into these subjects

1:11:42

, yeah

1:11:55

, I guess the one thing I would say , dan , interested to get your thoughts

1:11:57

on this .

1:11:57

But there's a lot of people on the right , there's a lot of conservatives

1:11:59

, pro-israel conservatives , and this would be my sort

1:12:01

of thought experiment , for you annihilate a people group

1:12:04

, whether it's Hamas or Hezbollah

1:12:06

or whoever , or just Palestinians

1:12:08

. You're calling for

1:12:10

Israel to destroy an entire people

1:12:12

group or to nuke Iran

1:12:14

or whatever it is , and you have a problem

1:12:17

with the crusades . Yeah , that's

1:12:19

silly . To me it's like hold

1:12:21

on , let's maybe look at some of our

1:12:23

. Let's look that in the mirror .

1:12:25

Well , that's weaponized empathy , though , right , because you're

1:12:27

like oh , you guys were Christians . You say

1:12:29

that you're , you know , you're righteous , you're not supposed to do

1:12:31

these things , but you did all these things , so I'm

1:12:33

not for you . Yep , because you didn't

1:12:36

live up to your own moral standards , misrepresenting

1:12:39

our moral standards .

1:12:41

Yeah , but I guess I'm saying to

1:12:43

the Christians in our camp Right , yeah

1:12:45

, yeah , just like , be willing to evaluate

1:12:47

whether or not , like don't judge them

1:12:50

by a harsher standard than you would have today . For

1:12:52

, yeah , evaluate your priors and you're like

1:12:54

, well , yeah , but it's God's people , it's real Right .

1:12:56

You need to evaluate your prior commitments

1:12:58

and make sure that you're being um

1:13:07

, that you're either a hypocrite or you're incorrect when

1:13:10

you're not acting in

1:13:13

compliance with your own principles . You're either a

1:13:15

hypocrite , you're ignorant or you're incorrect

1:13:17

and your principles were wrong in the first place and you're

1:13:19

right to have the opinion you do today , and

1:13:21

it's your prior commitment that was wrong . So

1:13:24

so I

1:13:26

keep coming to this point . But it's really difficult

1:13:28

, humanly speaking

1:13:30

, to think purely objectively

1:13:33

about a lot of these things , because we don't recognize

1:13:36

the way in which our prior commitments

1:13:38

and assumptions about the moral landscape

1:13:40

are affecting the glasses we're viewing

1:13:42

the world and history through . Like

1:13:45

you actually have to start by saying but what

1:13:47

do I actually believe about war at all

1:13:49

? What

1:13:55

do I actually believe about this issue ? That

1:13:57

I mean because otherwise you're just You're going into the debate with

1:13:59

a bunch of assumptions that you

1:14:01

haven't tested or proven

1:14:03

and you might find out that you actually completely

1:14:05

change your mind .

1:14:06

I'm just wondering if we need to do a season on

1:14:08

the Civil War , world War I , world War II . Oh

1:14:11

boy , absolutely , that's like a

1:14:13

huge .

1:14:14

It would only take us like 75

1:14:16

to 300 . Well , if we don't get , canceled for the Crusades

1:14:19

. I mean yeah .

1:14:19

I mean , come on , let's level up . We're going

1:14:21

to have to start Just Buchanan pill everyone like

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That's great , I'm serious well , gentlemen , we've established

1:14:37

a few things . We've established that St George definitely

1:14:39

was the battle we've

1:14:42

established with his angels we've

1:14:44

established the crusades were 100%

1:14:46

justified in every way . Well , also

1:14:48

, okay , it's

1:14:51

tongue inin-cheek , um , finally

1:14:54

, I want to establish that bohemian was in

1:14:56

fact a giant . Uh , again , brian , we

1:14:58

are leaning on you here .

1:15:00

Yeah , if you do not give me the

1:15:02

thumbs up , green light bohemian

1:15:05

certified giant I will get ben garrett and

1:15:07

he will do it look in the words of anna komnemna

1:15:10

of in her alexiad

1:15:12

of bohamund his

1:15:14

stature was such that he towered

1:15:16

almost a full cubit over the tallest

1:15:18

man you should actually like

1:15:20

. I'm tempted to read this whole like 200

1:15:23

word description that she made of him , because

1:15:26

it is like the description

1:15:28

every single man since hopes to

1:15:30

be . He was slender of waist and flanks , with

1:15:32

broad shoulders and chest , strong in the arms

1:15:34

. Overall he was neither too slender

1:15:37

too , heavily built and fleshy but

1:15:39

perfectly proportioned . One might

1:15:41

say that he conformed to the ideal

1:15:43

of the polyclitos . His

1:15:45

hands were large , he stood a good , firm

1:15:48

stance and his neck and back

1:15:50

were compact , like she thought

1:15:52

about this guy . Clearly

1:15:54

his legs were like ivory towers

1:15:56

. She , she talked . His eyes were light blue

1:15:58

and gave some hint of the man's spirit

1:16:00

and dignity . He breathed freely

1:16:03

through nostrils that were broad , worthy

1:16:05

of his chest , nose breathing , and a fine outlet

1:16:08

for the breath that came in gusts from

1:16:10

his lungs . This

1:16:12

man was like

1:16:14

a Greek God .

1:16:17

Her description is so great

1:16:19

, though it's like she has thought about

1:16:22

every feature . This is what his

1:16:24

deltoids look like .

1:16:25

She was like obsessed .

1:16:26

This is like the physiognomy check

1:16:29

of of all physiognomy

1:16:31

could you imagine when Beaumont's like I heard you wrote

1:16:33

something about me .

1:16:34

She just like blushes the Byzantine

1:16:37

princess but it's funny too , because

1:16:39

Alexius , like , hates Beaumont well , yeah

1:16:41

, because , well , because the thing is , alexius was

1:16:43

a political schemer , and so when you see a strong

1:16:45

leader who's physically perfect , with the

1:16:47

enormous amount of military strategy

1:16:49

, who has the hearts of enormous forces of men marching

1:16:52

in to help you , I mean you might

1:16:54

feel a little threatened . It's like

1:16:56

when the you're the you know the normal

1:16:58

preacher at a church and all of a sudden some

1:17:00

absolutely amazing

1:17:03

preacher comes in like brian

1:17:05

salvation , not me , someone

1:17:07

else comes and preaches and you're like rc sproll

1:17:09

comes and preaches at your church and you kind of feel a little inadequate

1:17:11

and you have a little bit of an instinct to like knock

1:17:14

him down a few yeah , I mean , but he smokes , so

1:17:16

I mean . And then everyone's like , yeah , that makes him better

1:17:18

. He's

1:17:21

ripping heaters . He borrowed a Bible

1:17:23

to preach from and ripped a half a pack of camels

1:17:25

before he went up , you

1:17:31

of camels before he went up . You know . Uh , times have changed .

1:17:33

I mean , there's definitely some like there's some political scheming going

1:17:35

on , but , but , but in all uh seriousness , on bowman

1:17:37

, like is

1:17:39

it possible that giant blood was still

1:17:42

around ?

1:17:44

I mean a cube . It's 18 inches well

1:17:46

, so he's a foot and a half over the nearest

1:17:49

tallest guy . Yeah , he's over six

1:17:51

five . Look , I don't know if he was

1:17:53

technically a giant , but

1:17:57

like that dude was . That dude was a physical specimen

1:17:59

. He was an outlier . He was way on

1:18:01

the right side of the bell curve . I'll

1:18:03

put it that way .

1:18:04

So Dan , we have verified that Beaumont

1:18:06

was in fact giant blood the .

1:18:09

I don't think so . I think it's

1:18:11

just from solid bloodlines from

1:18:13

the giants Nordic folks from the Nordic

1:18:15

Cause they were large when you get your . I

1:18:18

mean , the thing is like the average height of a , of

1:18:22

a Swedish , Norwegian , you know sort of guy is is

1:18:24

high .

1:18:25

Interesting . Especially , with good nutrition , you

1:18:27

give them the amount of protein that that frame

1:18:29

requires . Like dan requires four

1:18:31

to five hundred grams of protein per day

1:18:34

, per meal , per meal so

1:18:37

let's continue this .

1:18:39

People will only be mildly disappointed

1:18:41

in person there was no malformation

1:18:43

from birth .

1:18:44

The skin all over dan's body was very pale

1:18:46

, except except for his face , which was pale

1:18:48

but has some color to it . His hair

1:18:50

was like oh

1:18:52

shoot .

1:18:56

His hair . I'm sorry I can no

1:18:58

longer read Anna's description

1:19:00

of you , but your beard is

1:19:02

luscious .

1:19:03

Thank you , luscious beard .

1:19:14

If you take an Ancestrycom test , does it tell you if you're part , nephilim or ad or giant or you know what

1:19:16

? I don't know , but I I'm not gonna try because I don't want the feds to have my dna

1:19:18

.

1:19:19

seriously interesting let's bring , let's

1:19:21

guys . I think we can all agree bohaman was a giant

1:19:23

. Okay , yeah and uh . We are

1:19:25

going to jump now into another giant of a story

1:19:27

. Yeah , really , the epic

1:19:30

kind of part of crusades , one which

1:19:32

is , uh , jerusalem . Oh

1:19:35

can I ask one last question ? Sure , um

1:19:37

, one of the things that you hear a lot of is

1:19:40

that the crusaders particularly

1:19:42

if you're Eastern Orthodox and I know we

1:19:44

have some Eastern Orthodox listeners so if

1:19:46

you have opinions on this , definitely love

1:19:48

to hear them . But

1:19:51

one of the issues is they're like the crusaders

1:19:53

like late in a later crusade

1:19:55

. They , you know they wrongly captured Constantinople

1:19:58

. Why was how ? Why would they ever do

1:20:00

such a thing ? And Rodney Stark at least

1:20:02

, seems to really paint the picture that

1:20:05

Alexius and the you

1:20:08

know , the future rulers in Constantinople

1:20:10

were less than honorable

1:20:12

toward the crusaders . When

1:20:14

you look at those stories like what Alexius

1:20:16

? Basically they're going to lay

1:20:19

siege to Nicaea he doesn't tell

1:20:21

them , he sends an entourage and

1:20:23

brings the guy in the city back

1:20:25

to Constantinople and then they sort

1:20:27

of capitulate . But do

1:20:30

you , I guess ? Where do you guys land on that

1:20:32

? Do you see problems with Alexius

1:20:34

? Yes , and kind of reasons why there

1:20:36

would be , you know , animosity .

1:20:39

Yeah , I don't want to overplay it , but I do think that

1:20:41

one of the big takeaways

1:20:43

from the Crusades in general , in this period

1:20:45

of time in general , is the

1:20:48

the way that intramural

1:20:50

fighting saps the strength

1:20:53

of Christianity against external

1:20:55

foes . That's a theme that you're going to

1:20:57

see throughout these stories because

1:20:59

it's a human theme . People are not perfect

1:21:01

, movements are not perfect . There's disagreement

1:21:03

. There's it's one of the things

1:21:06

we're hoping to address in

1:21:08

some ways at our upcoming conference in

1:21:10

June , the new Christendom conference building

1:21:14

Christian boroughs . I'm

1:21:16

hoping to ask the panelists this

1:21:18

how do we maintain coalitions across

1:21:21

disagreement , with different

1:21:23

boroughs that are governed according

1:21:25

to different principles and ideas ? Because

1:21:27

this infighting amongst

1:21:29

people who you look at it and go , who

1:21:32

do you want to be in charge ? You could say this

1:21:34

to the byzantines and the westerners , the

1:21:36

muslims or the

1:21:39

other guy right like , even

1:21:41

if , even if I lost some of my , what

1:21:43

I wanted , would I rather be

1:21:45

ruled by the muslims

1:21:48

, not ?

1:21:49

It probably shows you how bad Islam was . That

1:21:51

you know Alexius would send

1:21:53

to the West and say like look , we need

1:21:56

to shore up .

1:21:57

Yeah , we need help , but then he's playing both sides

1:21:59

some of the time . You see this , you know . And

1:22:01

then also in the West and I don't want

1:22:03

to just pick on the East tons of

1:22:05

infighting amongst Christian nations . Like

1:22:08

you said , they had to ban crossbows on

1:22:11

the continent because they were all killing each other

1:22:13

constantly over empires

1:22:16

and realms and nations and power and wealth

1:22:18

and resources and political rivalries

1:22:21

and all sorts of things . And it just shows you

1:22:23

that we're not yet done , like we're not yet

1:22:25

ready for total self-governance

1:22:27

. We haven't reached full maturity of unity

1:22:30

as Christians . We're

1:22:32

not the hobbits coming back to scour

1:22:34

the shire yet we haven't

1:22:36

finished . And one of the ways that

1:22:38

we'll know and that we will growingly know

1:22:40

our maturity is is actually Christians

1:22:43

getting along .

1:22:44

Yeah , I think that's really helpful . We will

1:22:46

jump in now to our final

1:22:48

and closing the assault on Jerusalem

1:22:51

.

1:22:55

On June 7th 1099 , the Crusaders

1:22:58

, much depleted in number and strength , stood

1:23:01

before the walls of Jerusalem . By

1:23:03

then , the Crusader force numbered just 1,300

1:23:06

knights and perhaps 10,000 infantry

1:23:09

. This number was reduced

1:23:11

by roughly two-thirds since

1:23:13

the siege at Nicaea had begun two years

1:23:15

previously . They wept with joy

1:23:17

for having arrived , but yet they remained

1:23:20

so far from accomplishing their mission . They

1:23:23

immediately set about laying siege

1:23:25

to the city , but it didn't give way so

1:23:27

easily . To make matters worse

1:23:29

, the Muslim inhabitants had blocked

1:23:31

and poisoned the wells outside the

1:23:34

city . Then Providence smiled

1:23:36

on the crusaders . Six Christian

1:23:38

ships had arrived from Genoa and

1:23:40

England at the port of Jaffa , about 25

1:23:43

miles away . All six

1:23:45

ships carried food , but , even

1:23:47

more vital for the conquest , they

1:23:49

brought cargos of ropes , nails

1:23:51

and bolts , all necessary

1:23:53

for the construction of siege machines

1:23:56

. By July 14th , the

1:23:58

crusaders had planned to wage an

1:24:00

all-out assault on Jerusalem . Before

1:24:03

they did , a certain man of God called for a

1:24:05

painful regiment of fasting

1:24:07

and continual prayers made in devotion

1:24:09

to God . A priest had received

1:24:12

a vision that promised victory if

1:24:14

the crusaders put an end to their

1:24:16

constant internal dissensions , fasted

1:24:19

and marched around the city , much

1:24:22

as the people of God did at Jericho in the book

1:24:24

of Joshua . The Christian army walked

1:24:26

barefoot around the city while

1:24:28

making loud supplications , crosses

1:24:31

held high , the knights marched around

1:24:33

the walls of Jerusalem . They

1:24:36

next congregated on the Mount of Olives

1:24:38

, where Peter the Hermit preached an impassioned

1:24:41

sermon . Muslims , for

1:24:43

their part , jeered and shot arrows

1:24:45

at the knights . As Raymond Ibrahim

1:24:48

writes , the Muslims spat

1:24:50

on them and did not refrain from

1:24:52

urinating on them in sight of all"

1:24:54

. Christians

1:24:56

who survived would call the Muslim forces

1:24:58

demonic and deranged . Priests

1:25:01

cried out . Think of Christ , who

1:25:04

, until today , has been outlawed and

1:25:06

crucified in this city . When

1:25:09

the final siege took place , miraculously

1:25:12

, godfrey and his men were able

1:25:14

to get their siege tower against the

1:25:16

walls . He stood atop the siege

1:25:18

works , shooting Muslims with his crossbow

1:25:21

. For his part , godfrey's

1:25:23

men told a seemingly impossible

1:25:25

story . They all

1:25:27

had seen him single-handedly hoist

1:25:29

a siege ladder against the walls , an

1:25:32

object that is reported to have weighed

1:25:34

around 800 pounds

1:25:36

. His men breached the

1:25:38

city and opened its gates for the remainder

1:25:40

of the Christian army . Crusaders

1:25:42

wildly stormed the city and massacred

1:25:45

everyone in sight , according to Raymond

1:25:47

Ibrahim , he goes on to write . Heard

1:25:50

everyone in sight . According to Raymond Ibrahim , he goes

1:25:52

on to write . Young

1:25:55

Tancred , who was among the first to enter , hacked his way till he reached the

1:25:57

dome of the rock , a mosque erected high above and looking down on

1:25:59

the sepulcher of Christ and decorated

1:26:02

with the Quran verses denouncing

1:26:04

Christian truths . Its entryway

1:26:06

was firm and inflexible , made of

1:26:08

iron but Tancred harder

1:26:10

than iron , beat it , broke

1:26:12

it and wore it down , and it entered

1:26:15

. He slaughtered his way

1:26:17

into the building until he came face to face

1:26:19

with a strange idol , possibly an

1:26:21

elaborate candelabrum containing

1:26:23

oriental images foreign to the

1:26:25

Frank . Was it a Roman god ? Thought

1:26:28

the bewildered man to the Frank ? Was it a Roman god , thought

1:26:30

the bewildered man . No , it could only be one wicked Muhammad

1:26:32

, evil Muhammad . He cried

1:26:34

while smiting it . If only his companion

1:26:37

were here , now the one to come . At

1:26:39

this moment , my feet would stomp on

1:26:41

both Antichrists . When

1:26:52

the smoke had cleared and the bloodletting subsided at Jerusalem , the surviving crusaders

1:26:54

did what they had abandoned all and endured years of deprivation and disease

1:26:56

to do , that is , they did what must seem amazing

1:26:58

to modern sensibilities they

1:27:00

cleansed and dressed themselves in white , removed

1:27:03

their shoes , held crosses and

1:27:06

going to the sepulcher of the Lord and his

1:27:08

glorious temple , the clerics and

1:27:10

also the laity singing

1:27:12

a new song unto the Lord in

1:27:14

a high-sounding voice of exaltation

1:27:16

and making offerings and most

1:27:18

humble supplications , joyously

1:27:21

visited the holy place , as they

1:27:23

had so long desired to do . Though

1:27:27

deemed most worthy of honor , godfrey

1:27:29

rejected the title of King

1:27:31

of Jerusalem , refusing to wear

1:27:33

a golden crown in the place where Christ

1:27:35

was crowned with thorns , and was instead

1:27:38

coronated Advocate , meaning defender

1:27:40

or guardian of the Holy Sepulchre . The

1:27:43

Syrian and Armenian Christians

1:27:45

who were ejected before Jerusalem's

1:27:47

capture were returned to repopulate

1:27:50

the city . Jews and Muslims were

1:27:52

also later invited back . End

1:27:54

quote the

1:27:57

bloodbath at Jerusalem is the main

1:27:59

point used today to vilify

1:28:01

the efforts of the crusaders . But

1:28:03

, as Rodney Stark points out , there are several

1:28:06

reasons we should be slow to condemn

1:28:08

them . First , muslims

1:28:10

had committed many more and similar

1:28:12

acts of bloodshed . As a result , it

1:28:15

is quite false to say they were more

1:28:17

civilized or tolerant . Dozens

1:28:20

of Muslim massacres of entire cities

1:28:22

have been recorded in the decades

1:28:24

and centuries before Christians recaptured

1:28:26

Jerusalem in 1099 . Second

1:28:29

, we should consider that , under the terms

1:28:31

of siege warfare , if a city

1:28:33

did not surrender before forcing the

1:28:35

attackers to take the city by storm , the

1:28:38

expectation was a total massacre

1:28:40

. Finally , under the terms

1:28:42

of warfare , then , everyone accepted

1:28:45

the notion that to the victor goes

1:28:47

the spoils when a city refused

1:28:49

to settle before the attack , if

1:28:51

it was taken . It was common practice to

1:28:53

loot for treasure . One other

1:28:56

thing that is worth mentioning it is commonly

1:28:58

stated that when Jews fled to their synagogue

1:29:00

, they too were massacred . No

1:29:03

doubt there was a hatred of the Jews among many

1:29:05

of the crusaders , for they had often

1:29:07

sold Christians into slavery under

1:29:09

the Muslims or ratted them out to be killed . But

1:29:12

, as Stark points out , jews

1:29:14

frequently sided with Muslims

1:29:16

and even fought in this

1:29:18

particular army alongside them

1:29:20

. There is no reasonable

1:29:22

reason why , therefore , the

1:29:24

Jews would have been given special treatment

1:29:26

. Rodney Stark's concluding thoughts

1:29:29

on the Crusades are helpful . He writes

1:29:31

what Pope Urban

1:29:33

had begun in the field in Clermont

1:29:35

had now come to pass . God's

1:29:37

battalions had been victorious and

1:29:40

the unbelievers had been driven from

1:29:42

Jerusalem . Almost

1:29:44

immediately , large numbers of Crusaders

1:29:47

began to head for home . After

1:29:49

all , they had been gone much longer

1:29:51

than anyone had expected . Within

1:29:54

several months , the crusader forces remaining

1:29:56

in the Holy Land had fallen to perhaps

1:29:58

no more than 300 knights and

1:30:01

an unknown but not very large

1:30:03

number of foot soldiers . This

1:30:06

was a very dangerous development , for surely

1:30:08

Muslim forces would come again . The

1:30:10

Holy Land remained encircled by a large

1:30:12

Muslim world . Unfortunately

1:30:15

, no plans had been made at the outset

1:30:17

for maintaining a liberated Jerusalem

1:30:20

, because it was thought that the Byzantines

1:30:22

would take the lead . No one believed

1:30:24

that now . Thus , the question

1:30:26

that had been bothering many leading crusaders

1:30:29

for several years was how

1:30:31

can our miraculous achievement be

1:30:34

sustained ?

1:30:41

Well , gentlemen , we've heard of the

1:30:43

capture , the retaking of Jerusalem

1:30:46

, sort of the crescendo of crusade number one of Jerusalem

1:30:48

, sort of the crescendo of crusade number one , Brian

1:30:50

, as you look at this event . Why was

1:30:52

it so pivotal that Jerusalem

1:30:55

was retaken ? For Christendom ?

1:31:01

It seems to me that one of the answers and there's lots of answers that could

1:31:03

be given to that question would be that it was to the crusaders

1:31:06

, at least I think , a validation of

1:31:09

their mission that this

1:31:11

shouldn't have been possible . I mean , they , they

1:31:14

thought on setting out that it was

1:31:16

possible or they wouldn't have gone , they

1:31:18

wouldn't have tried if they thought , well , there's no way we're going

1:31:20

to succeed . But after

1:31:23

all of the trials they went through , after

1:31:25

, at nearly every point , they discovered

1:31:27

as one often does when undertaking a project

1:31:29

that it is much , much more difficult than

1:31:31

they expected and seemingly only possible

1:31:33

through divine intervention . I think what they saw

1:31:36

, I think what they felt when

1:31:38

they succeeded in capturing Jerusalem

1:31:40

, was the Lord is on our side .

1:31:43

You know what's really interesting about this . So remember

1:31:46

, when men would take the cross , the chance of

1:31:48

Deus vault would go out . God

1:31:50

wills it Right . And , and

1:31:52

to Brian's point , it probably at

1:31:54

one point seemed very

1:31:56

challenging to continue . I mean , they're starving

1:31:58

, they're dying of thirst there

1:32:01

. Their opponents , the Muslims , are

1:32:04

well-supplied , well-fortified

1:32:06

and did not have to travel across

1:32:09

the entirety of Eastern Europe , you know , to

1:32:11

get down to Jerusalem , and

1:32:13

so they're coming against , in a

1:32:15

lot of cases , superior numbers who are more

1:32:17

well rested . But it really

1:32:19

does go to show that they

1:32:21

actually believed , that God willed

1:32:23

it , that they were , they

1:32:26

were completely convinced . Otherwise you

1:32:28

would have seen many of them retreating

1:32:30

, that you would have seen many of

1:32:32

these lords giving up or

1:32:35

capitulating or just remaining

1:32:37

, like at Nicaea . You know they

1:32:39

would have just not not continued . But

1:32:41

they so wholeheartedly believed in their mission

1:32:43

that they actually continued to fight

1:32:45

and they won , which , I

1:32:48

think , back to our earlier conversation , was

1:32:50

probably affirmation for their cause , for

1:32:53

what they were trying to do . Yeah , there was

1:32:55

affirmation , for their whole mission is

1:32:57

that they could act . They actually did the thing

1:32:59

. They actually took Jerusalem and

1:33:01

there were supernatural things that seemed to have

1:33:03

happened along the way , so

1:33:06

I think that's why it's important .

1:33:08

Yeah , it's so interesting to me because you have all these stories

1:33:10

in here of , uh , for example

1:33:13

, a certain man of god we're told seeing

1:33:15

a vision and doing the jericho

1:33:17

thing . And you

1:33:20

know , when I first read that I was like , oh , you

1:33:22

know , again modern sensibility is , I was like , oh

1:33:24

, surely that wouldn't have made a difference . But

1:33:27

then it really did and

1:33:29

for whatever reason it inspired the

1:33:31

people . You get to the mount of olives , obviously

1:33:33

a very significant part

1:33:35

of that landscape . Peter

1:33:38

the hermit is preaching this impassioned sermon

1:33:40

. Um , just the picture of

1:33:42

them having arrows shot at them as they're walking

1:33:44

around the city barefoot , that you have . You

1:33:47

have Muslims on the wall urinating on them , and

1:33:49

yet , for all that , it brought

1:33:51

again a miraculous

1:33:53

victory for

1:33:56

Christendom . So I think that's really interesting . One

1:33:58

of the other interesting things , I think is I

1:34:00

think it's easy for Christians , particularly Christian

1:34:02

conservatives today , to read this

1:34:04

story in light of a Zionist lens

1:34:06

which , you see , clearly

1:34:08

in the time period did not exist . So

1:34:11

they're not retaking Jerusalem for the Jews

1:34:13

so that the Jews can have a homeland

1:34:15

, they're retaking it for

1:34:18

Christendom . Yes , they believed it was

1:34:20

a Christian land . They believed it was a Christian

1:34:22

land , and this goes , brian , back to Constantine

1:34:24

, which I think he's the one that

1:34:26

built the church of the Holy sepulcher , yep . So

1:34:29

they valued this place

1:34:31

highly . As you get into some

1:34:33

of the themes , like the destruction of

1:34:35

some of the Jews , this

1:34:38

is maybe where we see some of the messy elements of

1:34:40

siege warfare , with

1:34:43

them being slaughtered . What do you make of

1:34:45

that ? Again , we've talked at

1:34:47

length about some of these stories aren't

1:34:50

as clean cut as we might . It's

1:34:52

probably not like if disney made a movie .

1:34:54

They're probably not going to include certain parts of this if

1:34:57

disney made a movie , the muslims would be the heroes

1:34:59

today . If they if disney or a woman

1:35:01

there would probably there'd be some lesbian

1:35:04

muslim ladies who , like you know , are

1:35:06

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Attention , business owners , attention , business owners . In the wisdom

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