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in the growth space . David's been a long

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to be on his podcast and sit in the

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interview we seat rather than the interviewer

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me talk about the pivotal moments of growth in my journey

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with all that being said , here's me being interviewed by

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my friend , David McGlennen .

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Well , hey , Doug , welcome to the podcast

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man . I am so excited to have

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you here . It's like having a rock star on

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my podcast dude .

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I don't know about that , but it's a great joy . I

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don't I forget how many years it's been now since we've known each

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other , but it's just been such a joy

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to watch you grow and develop and make an impact on so

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many leaders , lives and and I'm one of them Every

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time we meet , I'm always challenged to grow

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and excited , so I can't wait for a conversation

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.

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Yeah , man , me too . I tell you one

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of the reasons why I wanted to have you

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on the podcast . Not only are

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you a leader who I have really admired

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and watched your growth

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, but you're

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just exciting and you have this passion

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for growth and this passion

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for leadership and I just really

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, really love that and I

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would love to know what got

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you interested in personal

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growth and leadership . You

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know back , I know it's been a number of years , but

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what was the catalyst for you ?

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Yeah , it's interesting . You

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know , the first 18 years of my life I didn't live

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intentional at all . I was the kid

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that barely graduated high school , I

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had an under , I think I had a 1.6 GPA

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, had to go to summer school

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every single year just to

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get to the next grade , and really even in middle

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school I had made the determination that I would never really

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amount to anything . I thought I would

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just my dad's a bus driver and there's nothing wrong with that

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. But I just thought , hey , I'll just follow my dad's footsteps

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. And so fast forward

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. My senior year of high school , my

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mom had a rare nerve disease in her legs

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. She ended up passing away and

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you know I won't share the whole story , but through that experience

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Christ came into my life and

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really transformed my life . I met my wife

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and her family , and her family

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was totally different than the one I had grown up in

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. Her dad is the Dean of Admission at Carnegie

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Mellon . He was a leader and

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he really put it , came around me , put his arm

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around me and said Doug , you're a leader , you have potential

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, you're gonna go to college . And

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it was really the first time in my life as a young

4:46

man that anyone had spoken anything like

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that over me and , as

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a result of that relationship , started going to church with

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that family and started interning

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at the church under a man that we I think we

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both know , larry Bettencourt and

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the leadership edge . It was so interesting . You know , I

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didn't even know what an internship was . I really just

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started interning because I thought it would impress

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my wife at the time that I

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was interning at a church . It didn't

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, side note .

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Side note it didn't . That's funny .

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But looking back , I remember

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Larry , as part of the internship

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he would bring in different leaders like yourself from

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the community who were doing great things , and they

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would come and talk to us for 30 to 60

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minutes and he just said , hey , if

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anything that David said resonated with you , you

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should take him out to coffee and

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ask him to mentor you and come with questions . And

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he gave us this whole process and as

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I started listening to different people talk

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, something just went off in me and

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he ended up also giving me a John Maxwell

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CD . I knew we're both Maxwell fans and

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I still remember it was called Standing Tall . It

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was a CD and

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I put it in my CD player and

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it was the first time I ever listened to anything on personal growth

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and I loved the lesson so much that I actually

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transcribed it word for word because

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I didn't know it came with notes . Of course , with Maxwell

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I had notes , but

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after that I called Larry and I said something

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in me just happened give me everything

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you have like this , and I just want to

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grow as much as I can . And so he gave me binders

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full of Maxwell CDs and for probably

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three to five years I would spend two to three

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hours at night to no exaggeration listening

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to leadership development content , and that

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was really the start of the catalyst of my personal

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growth journey .

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Wow , you know . There's something that you

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said that I want to go back

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and revisit for just a second . So

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you're now father-in-law

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, really spoke words

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of life into you and believed

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in you , maybe even before you believed

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in yourself , and I'd love for you to speak

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into that . What was that like for you ? How did that

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feel ?

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Well , yeah , I'll rewind a little bit more in my journey

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, three significant

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moments in my life . One was before I lost my

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mom , my high school principal

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. I got in trouble and

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I think me and my friend were in the office

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for the ten thousandth time and

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he just shook his head at us and he said guys , you're

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in here all the time and I

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guess all I have to say to you is you're both leaders

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and you influence people and

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people follow you and you can

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either use that influence for good or you can

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use that influence for bad , and right now you're using it for bad

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and I would encourage you to use it for good . So

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, technically , he was the first person that

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ever told me I had a potential , how that

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felt . I walked out of that meeting and looked

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at my friend and went can

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you believe this guy thinks we're leaders like I thought

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it was the funniest thing ever , didn't even like give

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it a second thought . But then , as

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I met my father-in-law you know he

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said it and it was a second time and it was just like

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my life was starting

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to turn around . And then the third person

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was Larry , who came into my life and I thought

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, maybe , maybe I do

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have potential , maybe I do have giftings inside

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of me that I never knew I had and maybe

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I can actually do something significant

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with my life . And I think there was still a lot of question

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marks , but it was again . Here we are

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. It's been twenty years since I had those conversations

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and I'm still talking about them , and so I

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always tell leaders you have no idea the impact

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with just a few words of encouragement

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can have , especially on a young person . It can

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literally change the trajectory of their life , and I'm forever

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grateful for all those who have spoken encouragement

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over me .

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Yeah , man . Well , and

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I want to just kind

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of pull out of you for a second , like

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the feeling , part

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of that growth , because you

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know . So let me ask you this it's kind of a silly question

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, but this popped into my head so I'm going to ask

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it . So , when you've

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gone through different growth seasons

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of your life , so when

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you were 18 and you

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made that transition and started to grow

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and transcribe the John Maxwell

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CDs , what

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was that like ? I mean , was it like

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, was it super easy , was it hard

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? What did that feel like ? I think

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and the reason why I ask it is because

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I think that when we talk about growth

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, that everybody thinks it's like

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oh great , let's just listen to

9:03

a CD or listen to a podcast or

9:05

maybe read a book and instantly

9:07

you know hey , we're , you know , we grew

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, you know . But you

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know , you and I both know it doesn't happen that way

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. So I'm just kind of curious , like what it

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felt like for you ?

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Yeah , if we talk about emotion

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, so feeling at one side of it was exhilarating

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. I think , the reason

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growth can even be addicting , dare I say

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, is because there's

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no finish line . There's no

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end to how far we can go , and

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to realize that we can actually grow and become

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more than we were yesterday is

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one of the most exciting things in life . In

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fact , you know I'm mentioning Maxwell a lot , but one

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of his definitions of success is success

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is knowing your purpose in life , growing

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to your maximum potential and sowing

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seeds to benefit others . And that growing

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you know I've heard another quote say

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it this way that growth equals

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happiness . And if you want to be happy

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for the rest of your life , in any area of your life

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, you have to become a growing person . And

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so if you want to happy marriage , have a

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growing marriage . If you want to happy company , have

10:06

a growing company . And I'm 20

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years into this growth journey and I'm still living

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out that exhilarating side . So so

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that's the fun side of it , like the

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vision that you could be more tomorrow than you are today

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. That will keep you energized the rest of your life

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.

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To your other point .

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You know , one of my favorite messages that I preach

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everywhere is faithfulness and

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being faithful . You

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know , as exciting as the exhilarating side

10:31

is that , wow , I could have this bright

10:33

future , that bright future at least

10:35

what you're seeing in your heart maybe 20 years away

10:37

, realistically

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. And I think the younger

10:43

you are , the harder it is to be

10:45

patient . But the older and

10:47

the wiser you get in , the longer you grow

10:49

, the more you recognize I

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don't want to get somewhere ahead

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of , I don't want to get ahead of my skis in one way

10:57

. So I don't want to grow so fast

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that I get to a place that is not sustainable

11:02

in my life . And so growth

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has been a 20 year journey . You know people

11:07

looking me now and say how did you become assistant executive

11:09

director at light of life and how did you build out three

11:11

leadership ? It's like , well , I've been growing

11:14

to you know , for 20 years

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and you know , listening to lessons and

11:18

all that is just part of it . Part of it is actually getting

11:20

real life experience in the arena

11:23

. You know , I think the hard part

11:25

when you start your growth journey is all you have

11:27

to live on is a bunch of theories . And

11:29

that was really challenging for me because I felt like

11:31

I was just a theory person for so long . But

11:33

putting in the practice day in and day out and

11:35

actually getting real world leadership experience

11:38

or real world growth experience , that's

11:40

what's going to actually and , to be honest

11:42

with you , is that's . That's the most exciting

11:44

part of the journey . That exciting part

11:46

of getting to a destination or getting a position

11:49

or getting a certain amount of money , Like that

11:51

excitement , lasts a day or two

11:53

, but it's looking back and

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saying , wow , I can't . I remember

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who I was when I was 18 years old and I can't even

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fathom who I am today

12:02

and where growth has taken me . I think that's the exciting

12:04

part that will keep you going through the hard times .

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Man , yeah , it's so , you

12:09

know it's so good . And I'm so glad that you mentioned

12:11

the . You know just the

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, the , the endurance part of it , because you

12:16

know if you've ever I

12:18

know you have you've run , you've run a marathon

12:21

and you know if you run a marathon like

12:23

you're running a 50 yard dash man , it

12:25

isn't going to go well because you're going to crash and burn

12:27

. And I know the same thing is true

12:30

with leadership , growth and , and you

12:32

know , by , by , you know pacing

12:34

yourself and making sure that you're working

12:37

on the fundamentals . That's

12:40

, that's what it takes and it's so you

12:42

referenced , you know you talked about it being in

12:44

the arena and I know that you're L

12:46

three . One day , was

12:49

it a year ago , that was the theme . Yeah

12:51

, and I love the quote

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and I love the , the

12:55

, the , the quote , and

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from reservoir Roosevelt .

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Yeah .

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Sorry , I just had a blank there for a second . Yeah , and

13:03

because it's like it's

13:05

that or that , that quote

13:08

and being in the arena is is

13:10

like all about rolling up your sleeves , getting

13:12

dirty , getting punched in the face , you

13:15

know , and all those things happen . With leadership

13:17

. It's not , it's not easy and it's messy

13:20

. Man , and and

13:22

and growth , I think just happens so

13:25

little at a time , over and

13:27

over time , at compounds , and I'm

13:30

just so glad that you you talked about that , because

13:32

so oftentimes we

13:35

live in a an instant gratification

13:37

society and so oftentimes

13:40

we want instant gratification , we want instant

13:42

leadership growth , like right now and

13:44

that . But it's not the way it works , right .

13:47

Yeah , you know I am a person of faith

13:49

, as you've probably already come to the conclusion of , but

13:52

I remember I do . I do annual reviews

13:54

. I'm really nerdy about my process . I

13:56

type up at 30 to 40 page report

13:58

at the end of each year . But then at the end

14:00

of every decade I actually do a decade review

14:02

and it was really interesting . When I turned 30

14:05

, I'm 38 now I did

14:07

my decade review and I went through all of my journals and year

14:09

end reports for my twenties and

14:11

as I was spending time getting quiet before the

14:13

God , I just felt like God dealt with my heart inside

14:16

, not with an audible voice and

14:18

I just felt like he spoke to me and said Doug , in your twenties

14:20

I gave you a foundation to build your life on

14:22

. In your thirties I'm going to give

14:24

you something to say , and in your forties

14:26

I'm going to give you a platform to say it . And

14:29

for me , that just really helped me

14:31

have a long view . You

14:33

know , my twenties that's an entire decade . 10 years

14:36

is a really long time , especially when you're living it

14:38

. But to recognize that , hey , an entire

14:40

decade was built on just laying a foundation for

14:42

me to even do anything with my life . And

14:44

you know , in my thirties and I'm not there

14:46

yet , but I'm not at the end yet but you

14:49

know , god said he'd give me something to say

14:51

. And now , on the tail end of this , I'm telling

14:53

people . I don't know if I'd want to have to go through

14:55

what I've had to go through in my thirties

14:57

to have something to say , but

15:00

again , that's all part of growth . Growth can be painful , but I

15:02

think if we can have a long term perspective

15:04

. You know I'm really passionate about I

15:06

have mastermind groups and I'm gathering leaders

15:08

, and for me , my passion point for that is

15:10

I want leaders to make it to their finish line , and

15:13

I had a leader tell me once that he believes only

15:15

about 2% of leaders make it to their finish

15:17

line intact , to doing what they were supposed to

15:19

do with their lives . And so for me it's all about

15:21

longevity , like I hope to be here another 30 , 40

15:23

years , and if that's true , I'm not even halfway

15:26

through my journey . And so if you can play

15:28

the long view and be patient , you'll be shocked

15:30

at how far you can go , and

15:32

in decades .

15:33

Yeah , boy , that's so true . And

15:36

you know something you said just a

15:38

moment ago I got . I just have to tell

15:40

the listeners look , if you , if you need

15:42

a process for a year end review

15:45

, doug is your man , because

15:47

I have borrowed it

15:49

and I've used it and I love it

15:51

because it's helped me to really

15:53

reflect on my year

15:55

and I never I actually hadn't heard you

15:57

talk about , you know , reflecting on the decade and

16:00

I probably need to do that at the end of this year , right

16:02

Come on .

16:04

I would love to see your notes . If you

16:06

do , Please share them with me .

16:08

Yeah , 6060 lessons

16:10

in 60 years maybe or something like that , I don't

16:12

know . But but I

16:15

love the process that you've gone through to

16:17

reflect , because you know we'll

16:20

stay on the theme of John Maxwell quotes , because

16:23

he says that you know , experience

16:25

isn't the best teacher , but evaluated

16:28

experiences , and when

16:30

we think about evaluating our experience

16:32

, that's it's what it takes , and there's

16:34

a lot of leaders that don't take the

16:36

time to downshift and

16:39

just be quiet and and really

16:41

reflect , and so I'm so inspired

16:43

by you and by your process

16:45

and just want to say publicly

16:48

thank you for for sharing that .

16:50

Oh , my pleasure . And again , I can send you a link

16:52

for it in the show notes for your listeners If they want to have

16:54

done podcast lessons on it , as well

16:56

as some templates for you if you're interested in that .

16:59

Yeah , yeah , absolutely . So

17:02

. I want to ask you a question about

17:04

just you know what , what's been

17:06

most impactful for you

17:08

, like in your leadership growth

17:11

? You've you've mentioned podcasts , you've mentioned

17:13

books , you've mentioned

17:15

mentors . So of

17:17

those things , or or something else

17:20

, like what has been most

17:23

impactful for you in just

17:25

your growth journey ?

17:27

Yeah , people aren't going to like this answer , but suffering

17:29

has been a great teacher and

17:32

I don't think anyone wants to hear that . And listen , you know

17:34

. On all the other things I would say you need to be do

17:37

something to grow every day . I'm huge on this Be listening

17:39

to podcasts , read books , mastermind

17:42

groups which again , I could talk about in a bit , but they've been

17:44

probably the greatest source of growth . But

17:46

when I talked about getting in the arena

17:48

, you know I can and we can go into detail

17:51

on any of these , but I can name three specific

17:53

seasons in my leadership journey that were

17:55

the hardest , the hardest seasons that

17:57

I ever went through . But looking back , they

18:00

caused the most growth and you know the

18:02

first one was I went from a leader I

18:04

mentioned Larry Benton court before

18:06

, where he was . He's the greatest in

18:08

culture on earth . So , Doug , you can do

18:10

anything . You're going to be the greatest leader

18:12

here , you know . So I felt like I could conquer

18:14

the world and then , through a series

18:16

of events , I ended up working for another leader in the

18:19

next season of my life where it was the exact

18:21

opposite and I felt like anything

18:23

that Larry had spoken good over me was no

18:25

longer true , I felt like I had no future . I

18:28

felt like it was all facade and and

18:31

I was passive , aggressive , I didn't

18:33

know how to address . You know , having a

18:35

leader above me that I didn't agree with or wanted

18:37

to have hard conversations with , and for

18:39

two years I literally I don't want to say I hated my life

18:41

. That that wouldn't have been true . But as

18:43

far as like a work , being in the arena

18:45

, I did not enjoy that season at all and

18:48

I ended up . I do believe it was God

18:50

, but I ended up transitioning to

18:53

another job and , funny

18:55

enough , you know , they say sometimes that until

18:57

you learn to pass the test , you have to keep taking it . And

19:01

yeah , well , I got into a new season and

19:03

I felt like I had the exact same leader

19:05

and a different body over me , and I'm like you've

19:07

got to be kidding me . But

19:09

through that horrible experience I

19:12

actually tried to get that leader fired at one point

19:14

and I don't want to go into the

19:16

story , but that ended up blowing

19:18

up in my face and I ended up , for the first time

19:20

in my life , having to have a hard conversation

19:22

, and it changed everything

19:25

for me . I would say , prior to that hard conversation

19:27

with my boss , I was passive , aggressive , which

19:29

I think a ton of people in organizations

19:32

are . They never speak up , they don't know how

19:34

to have conversations , so what do they do ? They

19:36

gossip . And I was the king

19:38

of gossip . I loved when people

19:40

came to me complained about a leader , because

19:42

I would just like oh , I got more juice than you and

19:44

you know it just built and it was creating

19:46

such a toxic culture . And

19:49

so from from that point on , I basically determined

19:51

I will no longer gossip . I'll never again

19:53

be passive , aggressive . If I have to

19:55

have a hard conversation , I will have it , and

19:58

I haven't been perfect in that journey , but

20:00

for probably 12 years now I've

20:02

been pretty consistent in it and that changed everything

20:04

. But I have not gone through those two years

20:06

of suffering . Really , I guess it

20:08

would end up being three or four , I don't

20:10

know that I would be the person or the leader I am

20:12

today and , as I share about

20:15

that season , I'm shocked at how many leaders

20:17

let down their garden , say I'm there

20:19

, I don't know how to have conversations

20:21

or leaders being able to draw that out of their

20:23

people , and so that that was huge . And

20:25

then the third one , and again I won't go into details

20:27

, but a few years ago , in 2020

20:29

, I had a mental breakdown At least that's what I say

20:31

I had and when it

20:34

was the hardest season I've ever gone through in my

20:36

life , hope I never have to go do anything like that again

20:38

. But again , who I came out

20:40

as ? On the other side of

20:42

that , you know I

20:44

wouldn't trade for millions of dollars . I'm just so grateful

20:46

for the lessons learned . So I don't

20:48

want to . I don't want to pour suffering on

20:51

everyone listening to this , but I would just say that's why you

20:53

need to be in the arena , because let me say

20:55

that someone told me once they said Doug , let God

20:57

be the architect of your growth , and here's

20:59

what I know and I don't mean to preach , but if

21:01

God's the architect of our growth , god knows

21:04

areas that we need to grow in that we aren't even

21:06

aware of yet . He

21:08

will bring people around you and resources

21:10

around you to forge you in the fire

21:12

, so to speak , to to basically

21:14

cause you to become the person he needs you to be for

21:16

whatever he's called you to do . And so that's

21:19

basically been my posture , my journey of God

21:21

. You're the architect . I want to grow

21:23

. I pray this prayer all the time God develop me

21:25

as quickly and as solidly as possible , as

21:29

fast as I can , but , as I was mentioning before , not

21:31

so fast that I can't sustain who you

21:33

call me to be . And but , as

21:35

I always tell leaders when you pray , that be

21:37

careful because God will answer it and it won't always be

21:39

fun . So , let

21:41

God be the architect of your growth , yeah .

21:44

Well , man , you know , I thank you for sharing

21:46

that , because I think that

21:48

too often we

21:51

forget that we

21:53

have to go through the fire in

21:55

order to be molded , you know , and

21:58

and that those hard times

22:00

are the times that we grow

22:02

the most . I look back on my own personal journey

22:05

and and I know it was the time

22:07

actually , when I moved here

22:09

to western Pennsylvania you

22:11

know I was 40 years old , I had lived my entire

22:14

life in the state of Indiana and

22:17

I picked up my five kids and

22:19

we sold the house that we had

22:21

had built in you know , five

22:23

acres , had beautiful you know beautiful place

22:25

, moved over here and

22:27

started , basically started

22:30

over again , and that

22:32

that that process was a

22:34

really painful process . I had

22:36

lost my dad just prior to that , and

22:38

and so the

22:41

but , as I look back on

22:43

that time , what I want to go through it again ? No

22:45

, definitely not , but

22:47

but I learned so

22:50

much about myself and I

22:52

grew so much through that process

22:55

. So , you know , I just echo

22:57

your , your words , because

22:59

it is through those hard times , through

23:01

those difficult times , you

23:03

know , yes , even suffering times that

23:05

we , we grow the most , and so

23:07

I think that a lot of the leaders

23:10

who are listening . I hope

23:12

they understand that . But

23:14

it's , it's also a part of the

23:16

process that that's

23:19

joyful to you know . In a weird kind

23:21

of a way it's it because when you're going through

23:23

it is it's not fun . But

23:25

I used to have this . I used to have this workout partner

23:27

that used to have this phrase and he'd say you

23:30

know , it doesn't have to be fun to be fun , and

23:32

you know that's usually when you know he was kicking

23:34

my butt on a on a run , or

23:37

you know we were scaling some you know cliff

23:39

or something like that . So but

23:42

but yeah , so thank you for sharing that

23:44

. You mentioned a little

23:46

while ago masterminds , and I know that

23:48

you know L three has as masterminds

23:50

and group . You

23:52

know group , the group process

23:55

, what , what does

23:57

that meant for you , like being in

23:59

a mastermind and growing through

24:01

that mastermind process . What's , what's

24:03

that meant for you and maybe share

24:06

a little bit about , like how you discovered

24:08

that and you know and and

24:10

implemented in your life .

24:12

Yeah , so I mentioned , you know , suffering has

24:14

probably been the greatest cause , but I could have never

24:16

gone through the suffering had I not

24:18

invested in my growth outside of it , and so

24:20

that's why you don't always know

24:23

what you need prepared for , but that's why you consistently

24:25

need to be investing in yourself . Again , back

24:27

to the personal growth . Like you in

24:29

my past , your layer would always tell us you don't see

24:32

it's growth is like your hair you

24:34

don't always get growing month to month , but all of a sudden

24:36

you need a haircut . You don't see

24:38

yourself growing day to day , but eventually

24:40

you wake up and you're like , wow , I can't believe I'm the person

24:43

you , I am today , and so making

24:45

investments in yourself daily will be

24:47

essential , for whenever you go through those hard

24:49

seasons or go to the next level and leadership

24:51

, you don't always see the impact of

24:53

those initially , but when you step into that , you

24:55

all of a sudden say , wow , I'm so

24:57

grateful that I invested all that time in a coach or a mastermind

25:00

group or in podcast , so that

25:02

this is what I would say is as crucial . As far as

25:04

masterminds are concerned , I initially

25:06

heard of them through what most people hear about

25:09

the book thinking grow rich by Napoleon Hill

25:11

, and he basically Andrew

25:13

Carnegie hired him to study the

25:15

, I think , top 500 most wealthiest

25:17

and influential leaders of that time , and one

25:19

of the characteristics he found in all of them

25:21

where they were all in what he called a mastermind alliance

25:24

, and all that meant was they were in

25:26

groups of small groups , usually

25:28

six to 12 leaders that met together on a consistent

25:30

basis in order to help each other grow

25:32

, hold each other accountable and to challenge each other

25:34

. And so when I read that , I thought I want to

25:36

be in that , and I couldn't find

25:38

any groups that I wanted to , that I joined

25:41

that . I felt like hit that the

25:43

way I wanted it to hit . So we started creating

25:45

our own , and so I've been a mastermind groups now for eight

25:47

years , and the way I describe it

25:49

to leaders is

25:51

one of our core values . That out three is

25:53

community , and we believe that no leader

25:55

should ever do life alone but in community . And

25:58

yet I think Henry cloud shared once

26:00

that he believes statistically , 80%

26:02

of leaders , when asked , said

26:04

that they don't have a single person that they

26:06

can actually own . And so

26:09

the reason masterminds are important

26:11

, the way we shared , is we want every

26:13

leader on earth to have a place

26:15

where they're fully known , fully

26:17

loved and fully challenged . So

26:19

let me break that down and then you have a place where

26:21

you have a place where you have a place where you have a place where

26:23

you have a place where you can come and fully be you . You don't have to fake

26:25

it , you don't have to be someone else , you can just bring

26:27

your whole being and then you'll be fully

26:29

loved . You can , you'll be fully

26:31

loved right where you're at is

26:35

. You'll also be fully challenged , and

26:37

so I often say you know , oftentimes

26:40

for me I'm a words of affirmation guy . I

26:42

want to hug in a pat on the back , but often

26:44

what I need is literally a slap in the face

26:46

.

26:47

And we need a . Yeah , we need a place .

26:50

Yeah , like you said your coach , like we

26:52

need people to get in our face and say , doug , you're better

26:54

than this , you can do better than this , you're sharper

26:56

than this , let's go quit being a whiny

26:58

baby . And having

27:00

that is crucial , and why

27:03

mastermind groups that are consistent matters

27:05

. It often takes six months to a year to

27:07

even get to a place where you feel like you could be

27:09

fully known , loved and challenged , and so

27:11

to have groups that meet for

27:13

years where you're consistently having that are

27:15

great . And if you don't know how mastermind

27:18

groups are run , just to break it down , really

27:20

, for us I think the most valuable part is

27:22

two-fold . One is hot seats , so it's an opportunity

27:25

every time you're with a group to share something

27:28

that you're going through . It could be a challenge in your business , it

27:30

could be a challenge in leadership , it could be a challenge at home

27:32

, and you share it . And then , all of a

27:34

sudden , you have 10 to 12 other people who are going to share

27:36

their experiences , their networks

27:38

, their advice and hopefully , you walk

27:40

away with a game plan , and so

27:42

it's been amazing to see what's happened

27:44

in and through our mastermind groups , but they've clearly

27:46

been one of the greatest sources of growth in my life .

27:49

Yeah , man , that's so great . Thank you for

27:51

sharing that . I wholeheartedly

27:53

agree . We

27:56

call them inner circle groups at impact

27:59

leadership , and it's the same

28:01

idea . It's being able to

28:03

be in community with each

28:05

other and get the challenge where we need

28:07

it , but also be loved where we need to be loved as

28:09

well and have people believe in us when

28:12

we need that belief , and I

28:14

so appreciate that . And

28:17

one of the things I wanted to ask

28:19

you is you

28:23

talk to leaders in a

28:25

number of different spaces , number

28:28

of different generations . You've

28:30

got older leaders , you've got younger leaders that

28:33

you talk to . What's a common

28:35

theme that you talk with leaders about ? Like what's

28:37

one thing or maybe a couple of things that

28:40

you tend to be talking to leaders about and

28:43

maybe you would like them to know maybe

28:46

the older leaders to know about the younger leaders

28:48

and the younger leaders to know about the older

28:50

leaders , because you're

28:52

kind of in that middle part of

28:55

the generational spectrum

28:58

.

28:58

Yeah , as far as the gaps , what

29:01

I found and part of the reason we started L3 was

29:03

I recognize I mentioned

29:05

those meetings that we had with Larry where he would ask us

29:07

to ask people out to copy from

29:09

the community . Well , I started doing that . I did that

29:11

for 10 years and I was so grateful

29:14

that I got to spend time with all these leaders who were at

29:16

the end of their life or their end of their career

29:18

and they had all this experience that I could just soak

29:20

up . And what I found was so many

29:22

of them were so hungry to invest in the next

29:24

generation . They don't need another paycheck

29:27

, they don't need more money . They now are

29:29

at the significant stage of their life

29:31

and they just want to make an impact . The problem

29:33

is they don't know how to connect with

29:35

the next generation or to find them

29:37

, and so I don't want to say they're insecure , but

29:39

they're fearful of like , how am I going to find

29:41

young people to mentor ? And then you have young

29:43

leaders who are longing

29:45

to be mentored and longing to be poured into , but they don't

29:47

know how to connect , and so part of what I want to

29:49

do is just try to bridge the gap and what and I

29:52

have an entire process I could share and

29:54

you know I probably had another time for young leaders

29:56

on how to get meetings with senior

29:58

leaders because they want to pour into you . So if

30:01

you're an emerging leader listening to this , I

30:03

would just tell you you would be shocked at who

30:05

would meet with you . In fact , I mentioned

30:07

I did that for 10 years . That's really why I started

30:09

the podcast . All of my peers start saying you

30:11

get to spend time with Dave McGlennon . I can't believe

30:13

that and I'd say I can't promise

30:15

you , but he probably would spend time with you too if he would just

30:18

ask no pressure , dave

30:20

.

30:20

Yeah , right , right .

30:22

But that would be my encouragement to younger leaders and you'd

30:25

be shocked in and I would give you a whole process

30:27

for that . And as far as traits I'm looking

30:29

for , yeah , when I interview senior

30:31

leaders , I just want to know what's important

30:33

and the recurring

30:36

theme . There is less and less Like

30:38

there's not . You know , what's

30:40

really important is just impacting lives . When people

30:42

get to the end of their journey and they just they talk

30:44

about two things that really impacted me as a young leader . One

30:47

I always like to ask you know if

30:49

you could go back and have coffee with yourself at any

30:51

age ? What age would that be and what would

30:53

you tell that version ? And statistically

30:56

I'd probably say 25% , which is pretty big

30:58

percent . On answering that , they said I

31:00

would go back to myself when I was in my young

31:03

emerging leader years and I would just tell them it's

31:06

gonna happen , like it's gonna happen

31:08

. Relax

31:10

, don't put so much pressure on yourself , don't drive

31:12

so hard trying to achieve it . Like everything that's

31:14

in your heart is gonna happen , as we were talking about earlier

31:16

. It's just not gonna happen in your timing

31:18

or the time that you want . And your

31:20

greatest regret will be if you try to go

31:23

there as fast as you can and you literally

31:25

miss every season of your life and all the moments

31:27

that you were intended to enjoy

31:30

at that moment . You missed out on it because you were

31:32

chasing something . So that's been really

31:34

significant to me , because I have

31:36

that personality , to sit down and say

31:38

I don't wanna miss my kids growing up Like

31:41

whoever I wanna be in five years . You're like God

31:43

could do something in one moment and all

31:45

of a sudden all my dreams come true , so like I'm

31:47

gonna trust his clock and timing and enjoy the journey

31:50

along the way . That's been pretty significant

31:52

there .

31:52

Yeah , yeah , I love that Well

31:54

. So I love that you brought up the

31:57

question about having coffee with

31:59

the younger self . So

32:01

I kinda like to turn that

32:03

on you and say what

32:07

age would you have coffee with of your younger

32:09

self , and

32:12

what would you wanna ask and say ?

32:14

Yeah , two answers . This one the one that no

32:16

one wants to hear , but because

32:20

, because of the way my life turned out , I

32:22

wouldn't change anything . So

32:25

but I say like , yeah , I could

32:27

have gone a totally different direction . I could be , my

32:29

life , could be an episode I could . I could not be on the planet

32:31

right now had my life gone one direction

32:34

. So so , that said , I would just say you

32:36

know the things that I would have tried to avoid by telling

32:38

myself them . I would have missed out , going

32:40

back to the suffering . I would have missed out on becoming

32:42

the person that I am today by going through that . So

32:45

that's my , my cliche answer . Hey

32:47

, go through your life , the answer

32:49

. So I was . I was super heavy

32:51

growing up . I weighed , I

32:53

think , 100 pounds of kindergarten , 200 pounds in second grade

32:56

. I just posted a picture recently myself

32:58

in eighth grade , like I was on a

33:00

baseball team they didn't even have a jersey that could fit

33:02

me and

33:04

literally like I spent so much time when I was

33:06

young worrying about like , well

33:08

, girl , ever like me , or

33:10

I ever have a family and be happy , and

33:13

I just wasted so much time worrying . And

33:15

I just want to tell myself same thing . I guess

33:17

I was saying the order leaders say like Doug

33:19

, just be intentional , your life's going to turn off

33:22

fine . Follow God and everything

33:24

else will take care of itself . Oh , and if

33:27

you actually focus on clean eating

33:29

and eating healthy , you can drop this way

33:31

really , really quickly and you actually fall in love with

33:33

exercise . So do that a lot faster

33:35

and things will work out for you . So that's

33:37

what .

33:37

I love myself . I love it Well

33:39

, and I was just listening to your episode with

33:42

Tony Horton on your podcast

33:44

and , man , that was really cool . It

33:46

was really cool and I think that you

33:48

know number one . It's cool that

33:51

you had , you know , tony Horton on your podcast

33:53

. That's , that's number one . But

33:55

that's also a testament to exactly

33:58

what you're talking about , because you

34:00

you reached out to people , you

34:02

you're able to ask them , you

34:05

know , for some time and questions

34:07

, and then all led to the podcast

34:09

and and I think that's really a great lesson

34:11

for emerging leaders . Just , I want to reiterate

34:13

that because , by

34:15

virtue of just reaching out to people , you

34:18

would be surprised at who wants

34:20

to help you , who wants to invest

34:22

a little time and who doesn't love coffee

34:24

.

34:25

Yeah , yeah , and I yeah

34:28

, and I tell people you know , when I encourage people

34:30

on this whole mentoring process one I always

34:32

say make a bucket list of people that you want

34:34

to meet with , and literally no one should be off limits

34:36

. So I made a bucket list years ago . Tony

34:38

Horton was on that list , clint Hurdle

34:40

was on that list , mike Tomlin was on that list , mike Sullivan from

34:42

the penguins was on that like , and John

34:45

Maxwell I've got to meet with . All of those

34:47

people did when I made that bucket list

34:49

that I know my strategy

34:51

and how I was going to get me with them . And

34:53

I just had a dream that man , how awesome would it be to spend

34:55

an hour with some of these people . And then

34:57

I couldn't start with just calling

34:59

my Thomas on like . I had a cell phone . So what did I have

35:01

to do ? You have to start where you're all , where

35:03

you are . My first podcast episode was my

35:05

father-in-law , because I knew him .

35:07

Yeah , yes .

35:08

But you know , one thing leads to another and I

35:11

always tell people great question to ask . Every time

35:13

I'm done meeting with someone or interviewing someone on the podcast

35:15

, I just say , hey , who are one

35:17

or two other people that you think would

35:19

be great for me to spend time with their interview

35:21

, that I can either use your name and

35:24

reaching out to them or that you'd be willing to introduce to me

35:26

? And I'm just shocked and blown

35:28

away by the amount of people that that's led to

35:30

me being able to meet . So just

35:32

dream big and go for it when it comes to meeting people

35:35

, and who knows , maybe you'll be dining with a president

35:37

one day .

35:37

I love it .

35:38

If you want to , we're not going to get political .

35:41

Yeah , yeah , no , I love that . No , that's

35:43

so great , doug , I think , just

35:46

by virtue of putting you know , putting that list

35:49

together and just dreaming big

35:51

. I just love that is so

35:53

good Lesson for me as well

35:55

, as I continue to grow myself

35:58

and grow . You know the people who

36:00

I am interacting with , and

36:02

so as soon as we finish this podcast , I'm probably going

36:04

to ask you that question , hey go

36:06

for it , man , and you've done pretty well , you've done pretty well .

36:08

You've opened up doors for me and my network and

36:10

with Paul Martinelli and things , and so I'm just appreciate

36:13

it .

36:13

Yeah Well , I . It's so cool to be able to

36:16

watch you but also learn

36:18

from you , my friend . Really it's

36:20

been really inspired . You're inspiring and

36:22

I love how process driven you

36:24

are , because that's

36:27

not my tendency and so I've

36:29

been learning that you know kind of . You

36:31

know through through your lens and through you know

36:33

our friendship over the years and it's just

36:35

really been cool to watch

36:37

, watch you in that process

36:40

. So so maybe

36:42

a last question here . So you

36:44

mentioned a bucket list . So who's

36:46

left on your bucket list ? You've met with

36:48

all of these people Tony Horton , john

36:50

Maxwell , you know , clint

36:52

Hurdle , mike Tomlin so

36:54

who's who's ? Who's next on your bucket list

36:56

?

36:57

Oh , you can ask my assistant . The list is long

36:59

. She gets , and every week I

37:01

feel like I dumped 10 more names on her .

37:03

So add some more to it , yeah .

37:05

Jess , if you're listening to this , I'm sorry . Top

37:08

of my list right now and I don't know why . I've just

37:10

admired him for so long as Dave Ramsey , so

37:12

I'm very cool

37:14

. My friend got an interview with him and I think the strategy

37:17

he used was pretty good . So I just have to position

37:20

away for the timing . I've interviewed all the people around him

37:22

, so the seeds are there . I

37:24

just needed to happen . So yeah , he'd be the top .

37:27

Yeah , yeah , I'll just leave that .

37:31

Oh , they'll tell my head , john a cup . I've been trying to get him

37:33

for years . Oh yeah , yeah .

37:35

Oh and right now .

37:36

So , and then there's bucket list people , to be fair

37:39

, that like I think you're out of my league but are on

37:41

my list . So , like Craig Grishow is

37:43

a better one , ed my let would love

37:45

to interview him . Oh my gosh . Yes . Yeah

37:47

, oh yeah , erwin McManus

37:49

has been on my list forever . I'm a huge

37:51

Meyer of his . Yeah , so

37:54

those are the ones that come to the top of my head , but I'd be

37:56

happy to send you my spreadsheet of your

38:00

bucket list .

38:01

No , I love that man . That's so good . So

38:03

, speaking

38:06

of bucket list , so you know , first of all

38:08

, you're a dad . You're a father

38:11

, I mean you're a husband . So

38:14

, thinking about like your life

38:16

as a whole , you know what

38:18

is on your bucket list , like for

38:20

the next season of your life . So

38:22

you're 38 . So , as you get you know

38:24

closer to this , you know this next decade

38:26

, what's on your bucket list , what's next

38:29

for you .

38:29

Yeah , one . I do recommend everyone have a bucket

38:32

list . I've had one for 20

38:34

years and I'm always adding to it , and so

38:36

I think again just having it . You'd be surprised

38:38

of just keeping a list like that in front

38:40

of you , similar to the podcast interviews

38:42

, of how something will come to the

38:44

surface or something will happen , and

38:46

it may not have ever happened that way if you

38:48

hadn't created a bucket list . And just to sign

38:50

a really interesting study . I think it's Lou Holt . If

38:52

you study him , he was in a really depressed

38:55

. He was the hall fame coach from

38:57

Notre Dame . He was in a really

38:59

big season of depression at some point in his life and

39:01

his wife encouraged him to make

39:04

a bucket list and he

39:06

made a list , I think , of 117 things

39:08

and literally was like I want to fly in an Air

39:10

Force jet , I want to meet the president

39:12

, I want to coach a national football team to a

39:14

national championship , and to this

39:16

day I think he's accomplished like 97

39:18

of the 117 things . And he equates

39:21

it all to actually just writing it down

39:23

. So that's cool . That's

39:25

a little bit of background on why you should have one

39:27

. As far as my bucket list , the most

39:29

immediate in this season with

39:31

everything going on , is I've wanted to write a book

39:33

for 22 years , basically

39:35

since I read John Maxwell's book . I'm like I want to do

39:38

this one day . And , as we were just

39:40

talking , I just finished my first draft

39:42

and we could talk about that whole process , which

39:44

took a long time , but but that happened

39:46

. And so now I'm stepping into the publishing

39:48

thing , publishing world , and trying to figure out

39:50

how to navigate that , to get this book into

39:52

the world . And my bucket list

39:55

is to have to be a publisher author

39:57

by 40 . So I have about a year and a half

39:59

to make that happen . Yeah

40:02

, and that's really the next big thing . I think if I can

40:04

launch that that would be great . And then Really

40:07

a lot of my other bucket list . I mean I obviously all the

40:09

travel and experiences . My wife

40:11

and I are big tennis fans . I want to go to all the you , all

40:13

the the big major tournaments . We've

40:15

gone to two of the four . This

40:17

is really nerdy . I have a 25 year timeline

40:20

of all the different trips I want to take and so

40:22

I have that like kind of lined out and so

40:24

have an idea of where

40:26

those will line up . But we'll see , but yeah , that's

40:28

that's so great .

40:30

I like , yeah , publish the book , man

40:32

. So I can't wait to read

40:34

it , man , I'll be , I'll be the first to be

40:36

in line to have you sign it for me , man . Thanks

40:39

, that'd be awesome , that'd be awesome . Well

40:41

, doug , thank you for for sharing

40:44

your heart and your heart for leadership

40:46

and just a little bit about your growth journey . I'm

40:49

really grateful that You've

40:51

you've shared some time with us here today . You

40:53

know , is there anything that

40:56

we didn't talk about that we should

40:58

? I one thing I know that I want to mention to

41:00

to listeners is the the

41:02

L3 one day , because if , if

41:05

anybody is looking for an amazing Conference

41:08

, the L3 one day is an amazing

41:11

one day conference . You know

41:13

all about leadership and I know

41:15

that this year you've got an amazing

41:17

Keynote speaker and I'll

41:19

let you share a little bit about that . But

41:22

, you know , talk a little bit about one

41:24

day and your vision for that .

41:26

Yeah , I guess I , you know , the theme of today's podcast has

41:28

all been about investing yourself . And , david , really

41:30

that's what your whole life and and work is about

41:32

is just investing in your growth , which is

41:35

so vital and so for for

41:37

me and Sure for

41:39

you , we just want to provide opportunities for people

41:41

to grow and so we create a

41:43

conference a few years ago called L3 . One day it's

41:45

gonna be on February 29th 2024

41:48

, right here in Pittsburgh , pennsylvania , and our keynote speakers

41:51

horse Schultz , who's the founder

41:53

of the Ritz Carlton . But that aside

41:55

, I would just say you know , to leave the listeners

41:57

with something you know , our , I tell people

41:59

at our conference every single year I kind of cast this

42:01

vision of you or one idea and

42:04

one connection away from changing your destiny . Yeah

42:07

, and again I'll say that one more time , you were one idea

42:09

and one connection away

42:11

from changing your destiny and that's why you

42:13

know going , getting into mastermind groups or getting

42:15

coaching with someone like David , or

42:17

being in groups or putting yourself in rooms

42:19

with Leaders , you have no idea

42:21

the one piece of content that you'll hear that may

42:23

change everything , the one connection you

42:26

make , that may change everything . But what

42:28

I do know is you don't know what you

42:30

miss out on when you don't take advantage of those things

42:32

. So if you're letting time

42:34

go by in your life , if you know in the past

42:37

year , you can't say that you've invested in coaching

42:39

for yourself , if you can't say that you have a personal

42:41

growth plan where you're consistently , you know , listening

42:43

to podcasts and reading books , if you're not in a mastermind

42:46

group , if you're not going to conferences , you are

42:48

missing out on huge opportunities to

42:50

become more of the person that you were created to be

42:52

, and some of those Opportunities will only

42:54

come when you expose yourself to great ideas

42:57

and great connections through

42:59

things like I just talked about . So that would be my big challenge

43:01

to leave you with is go find your one idea

43:03

, go find your one connection this year and watch what it does

43:05

for you .

43:06

Oh man , doug , I

43:08

love that . That is so great , and thank

43:11

you for sharing all of your wisdom , thank

43:13

you for your passion for growth

43:15

and your passion for leadership , and

43:17

and really thank you for your friendship

43:20

, man . It's been just an amazing

43:22

journey and I'm

43:24

excited to continue it on with you .

43:27

Yeah , likewise , david , and you know I mentioned earlier

43:29

several other voices that have encouraged me throughout the

43:31

way , but you've certainly been one since I've met you . We

43:34

both have similar passions , add value to people

43:36

and you've been that constant source of encouragement

43:38

to tell me to keep going and Making a difference . So

43:40

I just so appreciate who you are and I love

43:42

again watching the work that you're doing . If you're listening

43:44

to this work with David , by the way

43:46

there's lots of ways he could tell you , but

43:49

you won't be , disappointed , he'll take you to the next level

43:51

.

43:51

Thank you so much . I really appreciate

43:54

that while leader .

43:54

Thank you so much for listening to my conversation with Dave

43:56

McGlennon . I hope that you enjoyed it as much as I did

43:59

. You can find ways to connect with me and

44:01

links to everything that I discussed in the Show notes

44:03

at L3 leadership org for slash

44:05

398 and hey , leader . 2024

44:07

is right around the corner and if you want a 10 extra growth

44:10

next year , then I really want to challenge you to either launch

44:12

or join an L3 leadership mastermind group . Mastermind

44:15

groups are simply groups of six to 12 leaders that meet

44:17

together on a consistent basis for at least one

44:19

year in order to help each Other grow , hold

44:21

each other accountable and to do life together . For

44:23

me personally , mastermind groups have been the greatest source

44:25

of growth in my Life over the last eight years , which

44:28

is why I believe everyone needs to be in one . So

44:30

if you're interested in learning more about launching a joining

44:32

a group , go to L3 leadership org , forward

44:34

slash masterminds or email me at Doug Smith

44:36

at L3 leadership org and

44:40

it's always out . Leader . I like to end every episode with a quote

44:42

, and I will quote Henry David Thorough , who said this

44:44

. He said one is not born in the world

44:46

to do everything , but

44:48

to do something , leader , find

44:50

your something and give it everything that you've

44:52

got Well , I hope that this episode encouraged

44:55

you . Know that , my wife Lauren , I love you , we believe

44:57

in you and I say it every episode . But don't quit , keep

44:59

leading . The world desperately needs

45:01

your leadership .