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it transformed my life forever , and so Tony was on my

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. Well

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, hey , tony , thank you so much for taking the time

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to do this interview , and if there's

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anyone listening to this that doesn't know who you are , can you just

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give us a brief overview of who you are and what

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you do ?

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Well , I'm a trainer and I'm a writer and I

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do public speaking and motivational

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speaker and I have a supplement

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line and I have a brand new fitness equipment

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line that will be coming out very soon . I've written

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three books . You know I've been in the health

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and wellness industry for a long , long time . I started

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out as somebody who is a personal trainer to a lot of

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celebrities , mostly rock and rollers . I

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kept rock and roll alive from the 60s and

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70s . Thank you very much . You know

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I've been Billy Idol and Tom Petty and Annie Lennox

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, and you know other people you've heard of , maybe Ewan

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McGregor and Bryce Dallas Howard and

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Allison Janney , and some

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movie stars too Sean Connery . Sean

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Connery and Shubh Marine's Don't React

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Well to Bullets . There you go . Thank you very much . Shilin

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McClain , who was part of the only female member

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of the Rat Pack back in the old days . You

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know I'm 61 , so I've been in this industry

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for a long , long , long time . And

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yeah , I guess that's sort of the very , very , very

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short version . I'm somebody who came up with

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. You know , I was , fortunate enough , I was a young actor in a comic

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and did some improv stuff , and so

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I had a lifestyle of trying to become an actor

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, but I was also a fitness trainer , training all these

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celebrities and stuff , and so and

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the two came together when I started working for Nordic

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Track up in Minneapolis

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up there , you know , up there , you know , in

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Minneapolis . So yeah , I was the pulp up there

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in a ball , you know . Anyway , so there's

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my Minneapolis accent . Thank you very much . I'll

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be here all week and

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you know , so I really was getting my chops

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on camera because I was able to walk and chew gum

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at the same time . You know they would hire an actor

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. They didn't know much about exercise science or kinesiology

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. And then you know they have bodybuilder

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types for fitness people . They weren't really spot

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on when it came to being on camera and I

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was able to do that , so that was sort of my break

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in point . And then

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I met a young entrepreneur named Carl Deichler and he

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said I want to do this thing called Great Body Guaranteed

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. Will you do it ? And it was just another gig as far

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as I was concerned . It made some money and

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then it made enough money . So they said , hey , let's do something called

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Power 90 . And I liked that idea . So

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I helped create that . And I

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have a dog here . I might know it's not about that . My

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dog sheds and I can feel his dog here . Either

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that or I have a twitch . I'm not sure what it is . And

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so we did Power 90 and it just changed

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my life forever . I mean it really was . We sold about

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three or four million copies of that , which was incredibly

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unexpected by everyone , even

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us . And then the next thing was P90X

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, which you know I didn't even think that was a good idea . I thought

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it was too extreme . And when he said

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, hey , I'll give you a year to really develop this thing . And so

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I talked Carl and the folks at Beachbody

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into creating this thing which

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we invented eventually called muscle

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confusion , which was really a lot , of variety in fitness

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. You know , making people who lift weights to cardio

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, cardio folks lifting weights , adding in yoga

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, martial arts , all of it . And you know , here

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it is 16 years later and it's still

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not as popular . But you know

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that was really what established me

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. And so you know , now I walk through the airport of

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anywhere and people tap me on the shoulder

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and , much like you , Doug , who lost

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a bunch of weight doing P90X . But

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then since then , you know , I've been still . You know P90X

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X2 , x3 , 22-minute hardcore

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one-on-one series . You know we did

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a lot of incredible products . It

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was a lot of fun . Now I'm with GuyMTV Fitness

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Yoga , a program

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that people are loving , called the Next Level , and

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I'm working with two other companies to develop other fitness

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programs . And you know , this challenge

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, these challenging times that we're in right now , has

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prevented that from happening . But as

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soon as things normalize , air

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quotes , whatever that means , but people can get this

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studio and shoot I hope the next

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two products are out by the end of the year . That would be really

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exciting .

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Yeah , tell us real quick about the Next Level , Like where

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can people find it and what's the premise of the program .

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Well , if you have Verizon , Vios , Amazon

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Prime , Roku I mean almost any

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type of format

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, whether it be cable or satellite you

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know , you just go to GuyMTV Fitness Yoga and

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you check it out it's

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called Next Level and you sign up through

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your cable or satellite provider

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and I believe right

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now on Roku , it's 30 days free

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. Amazon Prime 30

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days free because it just kind of giving people a break

6:47

, which is a really smart idea . Yeah , you

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have this thing that's going on , Just to kind of you can

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pretty much do every workout in the 30 days . There's

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two seasons , season one and two , and

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there's 23 total workouts and

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you can get them all in for free

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, which is pretty cool . But you know , if you

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don't have Roku or Amazon there is

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Verizon and Vios and Spectrum

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and all these other versions of people have , so

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GuyMTV Fitness Yoga

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. It's kind of a mouthful , but that's how you get to it

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.

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Yeah , and we'll throw links in the show notes . Man

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, you've had quite a journey and I'm just

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curious you know , what do you wish people knew about that journey

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that they may not know ? They see everything you're doing now , what

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you did with P90X , what do you

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wish people knew ?

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You know , I think a lot . But they see you in

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this place where you , you know , you're successful

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right and you've reached whatever pinnacle

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of success . I think a lot of people assume that

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you've always had kind of an

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easy go at it , which

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is certainly not the case . You know , I don't think . I mean

7:44

people think , oh , he was probably the captain of the football team

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, you know , and dated the cheerleaders and

7:51

was always a pretty good student and

7:53

was always very ambitious

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, and none of those things are true . You

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know I was a C-minus student with the speech impediment

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. I moved six times in fourth , fifth grade because my father

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was in the military and then he got

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different jobs , we got transferred . So you know

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I was always the smallest kid , the scrawnyest kid

8:08

. The speech impediment , I think , called

8:10

cluttering , didn't help me at all . You know I

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was a target . I was the kid that got his lunch

8:14

when he's told , and shoved in the locker and beat up at the bus

8:17

stop , all that kind of thing . You know what I mean . So

8:19

I was super , super insecure

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and my life was filled with lots

8:23

of fear and trepidation and

8:27

you know . And then I started doing some personal development

8:30

in college . You know I read your

8:33

erroneous zones and , looking out for number one

8:35

, I'm trying to think it's not Zig Ziglar or

8:37

Wayne Dyer , but it was somebody like that and I really

8:39

thought , wow , this is information I never got in school

8:42

. You know what I mean .

8:43

So it was a long and winding road , as

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the Beatles would say .

8:46

For me it did start out very easily

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, but I always had this little voice in my head that said

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you know , life can be a whole lot better . I don't know how to get there

8:52

. And then I just started taking new information

8:54

. You know , I was going to these seminars , these personal

8:56

development seminars , and it was , you

8:58

know , it was above and beyond . It was just how to be a more

9:01

productive , happier human being , because I was

9:03

not in a relationship , I was living in a you

9:05

know a little two bedroom apartment with a view of a convalescent

9:07

home not you know car getting broken

9:09

into . And when I first came out here to LA

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and you know I was , I was

9:13

somebody who was a handyman and a carpenter

9:16

and I was doing mine at the pier . I was a , you

9:18

know , I was a trained mine back in college

9:20

. What is what's going on , doug ? I can't

9:22

, oh , oh , that's just the screen , sorry

9:24

. You know what I mean . And so when I was

9:26

out of money and that was often I'd have to put

9:29

on my outfit , my , my

9:31

mine face , and go down to the pier

9:33

, into UCLA , which

9:35

was nearby , and put the hat down . And it's

9:37

no fun performing for food . It's

9:40

very different than you just got on stage and you're sort of

9:42

entertaining people . It's a different sensation Because

9:44

you're always looking down at your hat going okay , is that enough money

9:46

to go buy some yogurt and Cheerios ? You

9:48

know , then they would live on breakfast , lunch and dinner for three days

9:50

. You know , these were really really

9:52

hard times and it took a long , long time

9:54

. And the lesson in that is , you know , and

9:58

everybody said stop , get , move back

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to the East Coast . What are you doing out there ? You can

10:02

be a great this or that or the other thing . You know you could

10:04

be a restaurant manager , you could . You know you could

10:06

be a salesman or whatever . And

10:08

I just , I just stuck with my vision . You know

10:10

what I mean and I just assumed that at some point

10:13

, even though it took decades

10:15

to get there I mean , you know , making it . I

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didn't . You know , I was out of debt and

10:20

I was . You know , I'm not going to call myself a

10:22

C minus celebrity I was quasi

10:24

famous and successful in my 40s

10:27

. It took . It took . You know , it didn't happen in my

10:29

40s . My this journey started in

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my early 20s . I came out to California in 1981

10:34

. I was 21 years old and

10:36

so it took a long , long , long , long

10:38

time , but I was not to be detoured . I

10:40

was going to continue to fight the good fight and

10:42

I didn't know I was going to end up . You

10:45

know , as a well-known trainer , this

10:48

book had a lot to do with it . It's funny I've been doing a couple

10:50

podcasts when breaking up this book , if you've ever

10:52

read the magic lamp , the magic

10:54

lamp by Keith Ellis . You know

10:56

it just sort of helps you figure out what

10:58

, who you're supposed to be . You know you're supposed to follow your

11:00

passion and it would . You know you it would . There

11:02

were these great lessons in there , like a write down , all the things

11:04

you think you'd be able to do , things Are you interested in , and

11:07

then pit one against the other . You know you make a list

11:09

here and a list here . Do you want to be a jet

11:11

pilot and or a movie star ? Okay , you want

11:13

to be , you want to be , and then you go all the way down and

11:15

eventually you're just stuck with two things and

11:17

it came Out movie star and gym owner . Over

11:21

and over again , you know me , like you know if I had to be , if I

11:23

want to be , you know our famous comedian .

11:25

Whatever in the entertainment , entertainment field or

11:27

in the fitness field , Can

11:34

you , can you talk a little bit about tenacity and pursuing

11:36

your dreams ? Because you stuck with

11:38

it , didn't see success until you were in your 40s

11:40

, but I'm sure there was thousands

11:43

of others that had similar aspirations

11:45

that you did and and Ended up going

11:47

back home and being a restaurant owner or manager

11:50

, like like so many people . Encourage you to do . What

11:52

would you encourage people to do ? Who , who may be

11:55

trying and trying , and trying and trying for years and

11:57

they're still not seeing the traction that

11:59

they want to see ? What would you tell them ?

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Well , you know , typically along the way , almost anybody

12:03

who's trying to pursue their purpose or their passion

12:05

or that

12:07

are , as their French would say , as their raison

12:10

d'etre , as they come into

12:12

roadblocks and the roadblocks are enough to sort

12:14

of kill the journey , so they go back to doing some other you

12:16

know menial job that pays bills . When

12:19

I was an acting , when I was an actor

12:21

, and I had a acting coach , the acting

12:23

coach said you know , I want you all to know , and it was a class

12:25

of 30 plus of us and you would say

12:27

, as much as you all love this , this business

12:30

, it's one of the most brutal in

12:32

the world and you probably know that already because of all the auditions

12:34

you've gone on and all the gigs you never got . You know

12:36

, and that's just the net nature of it , and you're

12:38

here in this class honing

12:40

your skills and I I

12:42

hope the very best for all of you and this is his name is

12:44

Darrell Hickman . He was amazing , a great mentor , and

12:48

that's another thing when it comes to , you know , pursuing your

12:50

dreams , finding mentors , and I'll get to that in a second . But

12:52

, you know , he said to everybody you

12:55

better find a second passion , you

12:57

better find a second one , and you might not love it as

12:59

much as you love this , but you better find it , better be

13:01

something close . And I don't know what that is . And if you don't know

13:03

what that is , then you're gonna , you know , then

13:05

you're gonna flounder , maybe for a long , long time

13:08

. You know You're gonna live in that studio apartment with a few

13:10

of the train station into your 50s Because

13:12

you're pursuing this act , acting career , and all you

13:14

ever got was a , you know , was a sleep

13:17

aid commercial . You know , I mean

13:19

this . The idea is that is to be

13:21

successful and to be happy and to

13:23

be able to afford things and have

13:25

the life that you want . And it might not happen here

13:27

. So you know , what am I ? What am I ? What I tell

13:29

people is , if you keep banging your head against the wall

13:32

, even if you have tremendous

13:34

tenacity and even if you're really organized , and if

13:36

, even if you aren't surround yourself with the right kind of people

13:38

, excuse me and

13:40

Then you better find a second

13:42

thing . So I had my fitness business and I had

13:44

my acting career and I was very fortunate to those

13:46

. Two things came together .

13:48

And it could have been just one or the other .

13:49

I don't know , but I got a combination

13:51

of the two and and

13:53

the other thing is , you know you can't be . You can't be

13:56

the kind of person who

13:58

is overly attached to the outcome

14:00

. Right , you know the past is history

14:03

. The future is a mystery . You got right now , how much you

14:05

know who you're gonna surround yourself with , find

14:07

from . You know , get rid of the chaff in your life

14:09

, get rid of the people who are the naysayers and the finger pointers

14:11

and the ones who aren't really supporting your journey , and

14:14

tell you to do something else , because that becomes very confusing

14:16

. You know what I mean and so that's

14:20

super important and you've got a really

14:22

you know one of the things for me . I had a conversation in a , in

14:25

a podcast , yesterday . You

14:27

know they were asking me like what we're all ? We're

14:30

all the things that you felt that you needed to be

14:32

to be successful . You know and

14:34

it's funny and I'll repeat you

14:36

know authentic , bold , funny , articulate

14:39

, innovative Camera ready . You

14:41

know you got to be ready to get on camera and

14:43

knock it out of the park . You can't be intimidated by

14:45

this little silly piece

14:47

of you know , this lens in front

14:50

of you . You know my industry super

14:52

fit like . There's a lot of people who do this , who are . Remember

14:54

the first time you went through P90x you did the

14:56

program but you didn't eat . Right now you had to do both , you

14:59

know , and expanding

15:01

your vocabulary . Knowing the difference between didactic

15:04

and pedantic , you know I don't know . I

15:06

mean you know you can't be saying um

15:08

and uh and like and bro

15:11

, and you know I say you know too much , but that's

15:13

something . You've got to be encouraging

15:15

and well groomed . Hello , you

15:17

know , you got to be stylish . There's a lot of things I

15:19

mean , honestly , you've

15:22

got it . You've got to be extraordinary

15:24

in your field . You have to stand out Amongst

15:28

the others and those are really really important

15:30

things and you have to work on those things . And for me

15:32

, you know I was going to acting classes , in prop

15:34

classes , doing stand-up comedy , going

15:37

to scene study classes , going to

15:39

the gym five , six days a week and

15:42

showing up at these auditions , getting rejected over

15:44

and , over and over again , and and being

15:46

patience . I think patience is really really

15:48

important and just keeping , you know , your eye

15:50

in the prize . But but you

15:53

got at some point go . Okay , this isn't working . Whatever

15:55

this is , is there a second option ? You

15:58

know what is that second career ? There's

16:00

a great story of a um , of

16:03

a gentleman who I didn't

16:05

know , but a friend of mine knew him and I love this story because

16:08

it just , it's just so pinpoints . You

16:11

know how to be , how to find your , your

16:14

raison d'etre , your purpose . So he was

16:16

a brilliant math guy . You know . I

16:18

mean , he was a great accountant and he got to work with this

16:20

great firm and and that was it really wasn't

16:22

his thing I love . You know he loved mountain

16:24

biking and any kind of biking you just

16:26

love bicycles . You know that was his deal . So

16:28

you know he got

16:30

married and had kids and you know he moved his way up through

16:32

this firm but he's still in a box , you know , amongst

16:34

other people , you know looking at a fake fern

16:37

and you know four walls and

16:39

every Saturday and Sunday , you know he would sneak away

16:41

or he'd ask his wife or bring his kids to the bike

16:43

shop , his local bike shop in his town . And

16:46

he was there so much that the manager said hey

16:48

, you know , you know more than half of my staff , you

16:50

want to , you want to work here , like on a Saturday

16:52

? So , oh my god , oh my god

16:55

, you gotta be amazing , right ? So he goes

16:57

back and his wife was awesome and said well , you're there anyway

16:59

, you might as well get paid to do it , right ? So you

17:01

started working Saturdays . Then sometimes you work Saturdays

17:03

and Sundays anyway , long story short , five

17:06

years later he owned the place . Wow , he

17:08

owned the place right . So you've

17:11

got this thing where you pay the bills and you

17:13

make some money , and it may not be what you want , but

17:15

your hobby could turn into the thing that you

17:17

love and could really change your life forever , and

17:20

that I don't know who knows . That story is Is

17:22

18 20 years old , so

17:24

you know , you might have eight bike shops by

17:27

now .

17:28

Well , that's great . I'm curious . You

17:30

know you talked about the things you thought you had to be or wanted

17:32

to be . Fame wasn't on there , but

17:34

I am curious . I've been watching the

17:36

live has gone rock or I'm sorry , the rock has

17:38

gone live a few times recently and and

17:41

people are saying hey , do you

17:43

like being famous ? Do you hate it ? Do you love

17:45

it ? And I just think it's an interesting question

17:47

. And you know , I know you say you're a c-level

17:49

celebrity , but You're very , very well

17:51

.

17:52

See minus .

17:53

There we go . My apologies , but

17:57

I am curious . What did you learn about

17:59

becoming known or becoming famous ? And uh

18:01

, do you like it ? Do you hate it ? What's

18:04

that ? Like you know what ?

18:04

and all the interviews I've done . This

18:07

is why you're you're good at this . I've

18:09

never been asked that . I'm

18:12

never been asked that and , uh , I

18:14

think I've sometimes Brought

18:16

it up on my own just because it sort of led

18:18

into one part of the question . Um

18:20

, I , I like it 97%

18:23

of the time .

18:25

I mean I I really do .

18:26

I think I was probably a . You know , there's past

18:28

life . I was a politician or something . You know I maybe

18:30

I would any Roosevelt or something when I was , uh

18:32

, you know , in another life . Um

18:35

, because , a , because I had the kind of career

18:37

that is different than maybe , uh

18:39

, a musician or or

18:42

an actor right , because people like that person's

18:44

music or they like their films , um

18:47

, but but what I've been able to do is I , I've

18:49

been able to change people's lives in the process

18:51

of them seeing me and when they I

18:54

don't know what this is . I hope it's not COVID-19

18:56

.

18:59

Um , you heard , you heard it first on that , the

19:02

goner oh yeah , I'll be in intensive care within the

19:04

hour .

19:05

Um , I shouldn't even care about that , but

19:07

um , you know . So that's , that's

19:09

different . People are seeing me five , six

19:11

, seven days a week , for months

19:14

at a time , in years at a time , so

19:17

, and in the process they're changing physically

19:19

, mentally and emotionally , and even spiritually in

19:21

some cases . I would think , and um

19:23

, and that's a different kind of I , I have a greater

19:26

obligation . So I feel like I have a greater

19:28

obligation . When somebody comes up to me and they say to

19:30

me because they don't say to Sean , to , to I

19:33

still , I kind of say you changed my life . Hey

19:35

, billy Crystal , you changed my life

19:37

. I'm hanks . You

19:40

changed my life . You know me no

19:42

but hey , I really like doing that movie , and

19:44

and so I feel very

19:46

compelled To have

19:48

that conversation , to , to engage

19:51

with that person . I mean , I sign every

19:53

autograph , I'll take every selfie

19:55

. You know I never say no , you

19:57

know , except for those few times where I'm . You know , I'm

20:00

rushing through an airport and I'm trying to catch a plane

20:02

, or maybe I'm sitting down in my you know , you

20:04

know my meal and somebody taps me on their shoulder

20:06

and they want to have a conversation . I'm at a restaurant , you

20:09

know . I mean there's a few times where it's not a whole lot of fun

20:11

, but um , but the other part

20:13

of that answer is there's no

20:15

course that

20:17

shows you how to go from total

20:19

obscurity to being recognized

20:22

. There's nothing that you know , I mean . And so

20:24

your character comes

20:26

into play . You know who you are

20:29

as an individual , because so many

20:31

people you know who

20:33

are , they're thriving , they're , they're

20:35

, they're striving for their , their

20:39

purpose , and maybe

20:42

they weren't terribly charismatic

20:45

or friendly to begin with , and

20:47

so now they're thrust into the situation to have to

20:49

engage with people when they don't want to . And

20:52

so there's nothing worse than when you

20:54

finally meet somebody you really admire

20:56

and then they act like a bonehead , and

20:59

I've seen it . I know people in my industry

21:02

and I know people in other industries that just treat the

21:04

public like crap and

21:06

it just blows my mind . I just can't

21:08

. I don't know why they would do

21:10

that , because it's those people that they're coming up to

21:12

say hello . They're allowing them to have

21:14

their lifestyle and they're allowing them

21:16

to be the stars of whatever it is on stage or

21:19

screen , and then they treat them like crap

21:21

. I don't , I've lost my mind

21:23

. So you know , I always feel very , very obligated

21:25

to do it Occasionally it's

21:27

a little hard .

21:28

Yeah , I was going to say what's the 3 , 3 , 1 , 1 , 1.5%

21:31

. You don't like ?

21:32

Yeah , they put people like you know , in the middle of like , truly

21:34

like dude , oh whoa , and

21:37

I hate what might if I hold

21:39

on . You know that kind of thing . Or

21:42

people who are , you

21:45

know they're not stalkers , but but

21:47

they're just . You know , you meet some

21:49

quirky , odd folks

21:51

that you would never meet otherwise , and these

21:53

are the types of people who feel

21:56

like , well , I've seen you in my house every day for months

21:58

and months , and months , so I'm going to , you know , I'm

22:00

going to try to get into my world

22:02

, you know I mean they're trying to . You know

22:04

they're not outside the doors . There's been a couple , but

22:07

but yeah they're just . You know you

22:09

meet some oddballs and and you

22:11

know I'm not trained for how to deal with that . I'm

22:14

cordial and nice and friendly , but you know

22:16

, like people will , like people will

22:18

drop to their knees .

22:20

Are you serious ? Get up , get up . What are

22:23

you doing ?

22:26

You know , because if they've lost 180 pounds or whatever

22:29

it is , it's , it's so transformative

22:31

that they get kind of a

22:34

I don't know what . That complex is called

22:36

hero complex and they , you know , they , they think

22:38

I'm somebody super , super special and I'm

22:40

just a dude struggling like anybody

22:42

else who happened to make something that work . You

22:44

know , I mean so .

22:46

Yeah , talk about that . You know you talked about you

22:48

had to put in decades of work until you really

22:50

took off . What was it like after

22:52

P 90 came out and P 90 X ? Like , was

22:55

it as satisfying as the

22:57

journey to get there , was it a let down

22:59

? And you were like , is this it ? I'm

23:01

just curious how you reacted . To quote

23:03

unquote some people would see as arriving .

23:07

No , I think when you're in the middle of it , that's

23:09

a great . Another great question . Change is good

23:11

, so . So when you're in the middle

23:14

of it and it's going really well and you're

23:16

in your kind of , you're at the very beginning

23:18

of the creative process , all right , so where should this

23:20

work out , and what should we name that ? And

23:22

you know , you're just , it's like a little puzzle . You're

23:24

trying to put the different pieces where they're supposed to go

23:26

and you know you're running

23:28

to some , some problems . And that's why you

23:30

have test groups . Right , you put people through , I

23:33

mean power 90 . The first test group

23:35

was was Carl Deichler and John Condon , the

23:37

president and CEO , and they would

23:39

come on over my little two bedroom apartment and they would work

23:41

out . You know one of the bedrooms and

23:43

you know they would say I don't like that , I don't know that move next

23:45

to that move doesn't really work . And it was a very collaborative

23:47

thing . It's really really fun to kind of brainstorm

23:50

and and you know , having these little skull

23:52

sessions were trying to figure out the

23:54

formula , you know . And then after that , all right

23:56

, well then let's put a big group of different kinds of people in a room

23:58

and see how that works . And then the change

24:00

again Right , oh , you know what I think we need

24:02

. You know that move is too complicated for

24:04

too many people . And then we started thinking about

24:06

well , let's come up with modifiers . You know , and

24:08

a lot of programs prior to mine , there was no

24:10

such thing as modifiers . There was the person

24:13

in front and all the pretty people in the back and

24:15

everybody was perfect , and so anybody looking

24:17

in always felt like , well , I can't

24:19

do that , this is no good for me . It's

24:21

because the production crew

24:23

or the creators didn't understand

24:26

that there are people at all different kinds

24:28

of levels . So I always felt like , ok

24:30

, watch so and so they're going to . You know

24:32

, mellow out here , they're not going to jump as high , they're not

24:34

going to reach as far or whatever

24:36

it is , and keep an eye on them . And if you look at the

24:38

guy in workouts next level there are

24:40

three very distinct

24:43

levels . I mean , we've got cameras on each

24:45

and every one and that way you can really

24:47

all right , I'm going to focus on level one over here , because

24:49

I'm nowhere near level two and three , and

24:51

so we really took it a step farther and

24:54

that process is just a blast

24:56

Right . And then you're in the actual shooting phase

24:58

, which is which is for me , and

25:01

initially I used to get so nervous and so

25:03

freaked out , but then , as I got better

25:05

at it , is like all right here we

25:07

go and you can tell if you look at the original Power 90

25:09

workouts . Hi everybody , tony

25:11

Horton here and we're going to do some great workouts

25:14

, we're going to do some push ups and it's going to be great . And

25:16

then P 90 X . You

25:20

know what I mean . You can really see how I evolve Dog

25:23

hair on my face . There it is , I

25:25

got it . That'll be weird for people

25:27

to watch .

25:29

But , as you can tell , I just do , and

25:31

so that that's .

25:32

And then you know that it's out there and

25:34

then you're holding it right in your hand . You're

25:37

looking at the disk . You're looking at , you know , because there

25:39

were photo shoots and there were discussions about

25:41

the colors and the font , and then adding

25:43

the music , you know , it's like making a movie

25:45

, you know . And then and then

25:47

you know , you kind of roll the dice . I'm not really part

25:49

of the media , part of it , you know . I mean

25:51

you , hopefully you've got enough good footage and

25:54

the folks that are going to , you know , put this out

25:56

in an infomercial . You hope it's going to do pretty

25:58

well . And then Power 90 went up , you know , through the

26:00

roof , and P 90 X went through the roof . And

26:02

you know I'm not going to lie to you . You

26:05

know , when I was , when I was making Power 90

26:07

, I lived in this apartment for

26:09

21 and a half years . Wow

26:13

, the same apartment . The carpets

26:15

when I moved in were the

26:17

same carpets . When I moved out , you

26:19

know , I asked the landlord , I don't know , two dozen times , can

26:22

you know ? No , just will clean them . You

26:24

know what I mean . The carpets went from a carpet

26:27

to basically it looked

26:29

like cement really there's no

26:31

pad left . It was whatever Right

26:33

. And then you know you make something and it does well

26:35

, and these royalty checks come in the mail and

26:38

you pay off . You know you can , you can buy a new

26:40

car and you can pay off all your

26:42

bills and all your visa

26:45

cards and all your other cards

26:47

. You know me , and because I

26:49

had , you know like I don't know how many cards I

26:51

had you know living from

26:53

whatever credit card to credit card and

26:55

and that's amazing , that's

26:58

an amazing feeling . You know , you feel like

27:00

it , you feel like you won the lottery

27:02

or something , and then you know that you don't have

27:04

to . You know what . You start looking at houses , really

27:07

houses . You

27:10

know , whatever , and I didn't , you know , I was because

27:12

Power 90 had done so well that

27:14

I went from a two bedroom apartment and I got to skip a

27:16

couple levels and I , you

27:18

know , I ended up buying a four bedroom home with the view of the Hollywood sign

27:21

, santa Monica , with guest house

27:23

. It was nuts . And

27:27

then the house was empty because , you know , eventually that

27:29

wave came home and then we made P 90

27:32

X and then P 90 X , and then we put furniture

27:34

in the house and not , you know

27:36

. So it's fun , but

27:38

in between , in between , it's kind

27:40

of like OK , let's go , let's

27:42

go , what's the next one ? And you have to kind of wait your turn . That's what

27:44

happened with Beachbody . You know , he hired Autumn

27:47

and Chalene and and Sean

27:49

T , and you've got , you know , and Sige

27:52

, and all of a sudden it was just

27:54

me and and was

27:56

it only

27:58

one ? One other trainer , debbie

28:01

Sebers . We would rotate , so

28:03

we were always working , and then , as is

28:05

the , as the list

28:07

of trainers got longer and longer . You're waiting longer

28:09

. So it's a little frustrating . And you're under contract , right

28:12

, so you're under contract . So it was like in the old days

28:14

in the movies . You know you'll , you'll work , and we

28:16

tell you you can work . You

28:18

know , I kind of want to work now because I like that feeling

28:20

of what we were doing before and I want to do that more often

28:22

. So eventually , you know , it

28:25

was important for me to kind of say hey

28:27

, you know , this has been a great 20 years with Beachbody . I'm

28:29

still an ambassador for the company . I still love

28:31

everything they do . You know I still promote bond

28:33

and I'm doing , you know , promos

28:36

for double time right now during this this , this

28:39

virus situation . So the relationship

28:41

is still rock solid . But I needed to go . I needed to

28:43

. I wanted my own supplement line , I wanted my own fitness

28:45

equipment line . I wanted to do my own . I want

28:47

to do my next batch of workouts . I wanted to work with more

28:49

than one company and so

28:51

now there's much more freedom and still be

28:54

. You know , it's 61 , still pretty fit

28:56

, still doing alright . People

28:58

still want me around . I'm not so old

29:00

, that that I . People

29:02

still don't want me , which is nice .

29:05

More serious question and kind of the last

29:07

person want to ask is in

29:09

2017 you had a pretty big scare . You got diagnosed

29:12

with Ramsey Hunt syndrome and I'm

29:14

just curious can can you just talk about that experience

29:17

and what you learn from that ?

29:21

Well , I recovered to . I wrote yeah

29:23

, absolutely , because that's a critical piece

29:26

of my life puzzle . Yeah

29:28

, you know I mean it's

29:30

stress related . So I shingles in my ear , you

29:33

know I mean , and so there's a lot of nerves in there that

29:35

go into your brain and when you get shingles in your ear it

29:38

can pretty much destroy those nerves . And

29:40

those nerves have everything to do with with vision

29:42

, with hearing , with smell

29:44

, with balance

29:47

, right , and and

29:49

you know it's funny , when you , when you cut yourself in

29:51

your skin , you break a bone or

29:53

or are

29:56

you , you know that those kinds of normal

29:58

natural injuries or your terror

30:01

muscle , you know it's like a four to eight

30:03

week time frame in which things get better

30:05

and nerves are like

30:08

you talk to doctor , never two

30:10

years from now , eight years from now

30:12

. I mean it's just nerves

30:14

just take forever and ever and ever and ever the healing

30:16

process and for a lot of people , when you , when you burn

30:19

out a nerve , it never gets better , and

30:21

so that was really kind of tough

30:23

right . So here I was in

30:26

the stress that was . The stress was probably

30:28

call calls by a combination of two things

30:30

day apart

30:32

. So there was the Vegas shooting and I had some

30:35

friends that were there and they witnessed some really

30:37

crazy , horrible , horrible

30:40

things and they came away unscathed physically

30:43

, certainly not mentally , and so

30:45

I just that event made

30:47

me so angry , just so angry that

30:49

something like that could happen in this country and

30:51

the following day Tom Petty died . I

30:54

mean , I trained Tom for 30 something years and

30:57

he was a good friend . I went

30:59

to birthday parties and hung

31:01

out with him and I went on tour with him and

31:04

I was there for , you know , when his kids were little and growing

31:06

up . You know , and it

31:09

just shattered me the combination and

31:11

I just the combination of being sad and

31:13

angry . And I was

31:15

going through contract negotiations you

31:17

know that in my opinion weren't going very well and

31:19

that was really frustrating . So I was really nervous

31:22

, nervous , I was sad and I was mad

31:24

, and so you

31:26

know what I mean . I chicken pox as a kid , and if you had chicken

31:29

pox as a kid , then it sits there . That virus is sitting there

31:31

and just wait for you to get bummed out . And

31:33

I did , and I just had a massive

31:35

. We were having a party one night , friday night , like

31:38

a little dinner party , and the right side of my head halfway

31:40

through the night just like

31:42

oh my God , what's going on ?

31:44

And it's not something you get a headache .

31:45

It's not like you rushed to the hospital , to

31:47

the ER , and if I had known

31:49

, if I had known , I could have gotten some antivirals

31:51

and probably nipped it in the bud . But a whole

31:54

week went by and so I thought I maybe had that stroke

31:56

. You know , I thought , oh , my God , what's going on

31:58

? So I was going to a physical therapist and

32:00

nobody knew what was going on . And when I went to the , to

32:03

the ER , I literally asked I was in the

32:05

waiting room and I was vomiting because I was

32:07

so nauseous and I was so dizzy

32:09

and everything was out of whack

32:11

. And they looked at me and they didn't

32:13

know and they had to Google it and

32:15

they go oh , you have something called rancy huntsome room . And they looked

32:17

at my ear and they go how long have you had this rash ? I go what

32:19

rash I get this ? You know it shingles

32:22

, it's in your ear , it's in your ear canal

32:24

, anyway . So

32:28

so I was deathly ill for two months , didn't

32:30

get out of bed , didn't eat , lost 25 pounds

32:32

. You know whatever

32:34

kind of rehab or we go into a . I

32:36

think they're called auto rinal laryngologist

32:38

. You know as the throat guy doing all

32:40

these tests and you

32:43

know my these nerves were fried , my balance was out of whack

32:45

. I was incredibly nauseous . I couldn't eat a

32:47

thing . I couldn't , I couldn't drive , I couldn't get

32:49

out of bed except for to eat breakfast

32:51

, lunch and dinner . And I was . I was sleeping , or

32:53

pretending to sleep , or trying to sleep , for 12

32:56

, 13 , 14 , 15 hours at a time

32:58

and it was awful

33:00

. I mean it was awful . You know , several times

33:02

I would just lay in my , my wife's lap and

33:04

just weep . You know I said I cannot

33:07

because it was relentless . You

33:09

know what I mean . You break a bone , you know right

33:11

. If you get a laceration , you

33:13

know whatever . You tear a muscle

33:15

, you know you can kind of semi function

33:17

. This was I can't do anything

33:20

and all I want to do is vomit , and

33:22

the pain is a 12 and

33:25

it lasted for months . You know

33:27

what I mean . So , um

33:30

, and so you know , 20 people like how are we doing

33:32

through this COVID thing ? I'm doing

33:34

pretty good , you know , I mean because I might

33:36

, I might get it . And , um , I

33:38

already know what horrible is right

33:40

. And so everything , every event

33:43

, every travel thing , everything was canceled

33:45

right . So my income , right , thank God

33:47

. I had things on the air , and you know I was . I had a

33:49

contract and I was making money that way , but

33:51

I wasn't able to do anything like

33:54

I was , and so so many things got canceled

33:56

, unfortunately , and uh

33:58

, and and , after

34:00

about two and a half months , I started

34:03

to come out of it so

34:05

slowly and um

34:08

, the that was the end

34:10

. It was October 2017

34:12

. And uh , you know , here it is now , uh

34:14

, it's April 2020 . And I still

34:16

have little uh , trace

34:19

um issues

34:22

, trace issues not the right way to say that , but

34:24

I still suffer from it on occasion . Um

34:27

, the other day , in the middle of the workout , it just

34:29

kicked in Because when I was

34:31

getting better , it was always like on a scale

34:33

of one to 10 to 10 , meaning you know , like it was when I

34:35

first got it . Just horrible , I can't function , I can't

34:38

go to bed . It would , it would kind of pair

34:40

down to a like a , a five

34:42

, six , seven or a or a

34:44

or a or a four , five , six

34:46

. You know what I mean , where I'm

34:48

miserable and I'm dizzy and

34:51

I can kind of drive . You know what

34:53

I mean and I can kind of start to work out again , but

34:56

it was just really uncomfortable

34:58

. And then , um , I had a huge , I

35:00

had a big blood test . To make a long story short , I

35:02

had a blood test and I discovered that I had Epstein

35:05

bar um in conjunction

35:07

with uh , with , you know which so when it's not

35:09

. Ramsey Hunt syndrome anymore . It becomes bilateral

35:11

vestibular hypofunction , which is like

35:13

a form of PTSD . Um

35:15

, a lot of people who are not Iraq and Afghanistan and come

35:18

back with it and it's just a balanced thing . Like they

35:20

got some . They got blown up . You know what I mean . They survived

35:22

. They got blown up and all the nerves

35:24

in their ears cause it's an ear thing and a brain

35:26

thing . And so I was going

35:28

to the same rehab person as people who are coming back from

35:30

from the Middle East and , uh

35:33

, it took a lot of rehab to learn , learn how to walk

35:35

again . I learned how to walk in a straight line

35:37

and I remember my first job about

35:39

six months afterward . It was in Las Vegas

35:41

, and I had to use my , my

35:43

um carry on luggage as a cane

35:45

on wheels to get

35:47

through the lobby and to get to my room , and when

35:49

I was on stage I had to focus to walk

35:51

from the back of the stage to the mic . You

35:54

know what I mean , um , and

35:56

so even now , here it is , I don't know over two years later , and

35:58

I still deal with it and I'm 90 , 97%

36:01

better . But I had this episode

36:03

like out of the blue about

36:06

five days ago where I I

36:08

was like walking in a bang and I fell into a wall

36:10

, you know . So you deal with

36:12

it , man , you deal with it . But what's

36:14

the lesson here ? The lesson

36:16

here is that , uh , you know , I'm in a better place

36:19

than I was and , um , it's something I'm going

36:21

to have to live with for the rest of my life . And

36:23

most of the time I have really

36:25

good days , and occasionally I have some bad

36:27

ones , um , but as

36:29

a 61 year old , I'm fitter than I've ever been

36:32

, probably as a result of this

36:34

thing , you know , and a lot of people who get

36:36

what I get , ramsey , I'm syndrome that turns into

36:38

the bilateral , the particular lack of function uh

36:41

, live in a very secluded , um

36:43

, life . You know what I mean . They

36:45

maybe they can drive again , but there's

36:47

.

36:48

But they don't , they don't . Maybe you know , and I try to tell people

36:50

you got to .

36:51

You got to do 10 times now

36:53

than what you did before . You

36:55

know what I mean . You got to be relentless about your rehab

36:58

, or relentless about your diet , relentless

37:00

about your workouts , you know . Get on a

37:02

slack line , do yoga where you know

37:04

. I do yoga now and I'm , I'm afraid that

37:07

I'm going to be a domino in warrior three

37:09

or half moon pose . You know what I mean

37:11

. It's like I'm still trembling . You

37:13

know if you , I've been doing these um

37:15

Wednesday night plioclasses

37:17

and there's two exercises where you

37:19

do on one foot and you

37:21

know I'm like an 80 year old man , right , it's , it's

37:23

uh , whatever , you know I'm exposing myself

37:26

to folks who are watching me fail

37:28

, and so you know that's relatable

37:30

, because they're probably going through similar things .

37:32

Yeah , Well , thank you for sharing that

37:34

journey .

37:35

Yeah , yeah , yeah yeah .

37:38

Um , with the time that we

37:41

have left , uh , I do want to go into the lightning round

37:43

. Um , I guess just on the health and fitness

37:45

side can you just talk about . I

37:47

guess I'll just leave this really , really wide open

37:49

. But what have you learned about longevity

37:52

? If you could do one more cup for the rest of your life

37:54

, what would you do ? Any any uh

37:56

habits that you share with people ?

37:58

One where I do chest and back every day . If , if

38:00

, if it had value to be every day . I love pull ups and

38:03

push ups , man , I love Ninja courses and ropes

38:05

and peg boards . I just love , you know , I think I was a monkey

38:07

in a past life . I know who knows

38:09

. Uh , I was Teddy Roosevelt and

38:11

a monkey in the past life . I just love that

38:13

. I hate cardio , but I do it because it's probably the most important

38:16

thing next to yoga . Um , yeah

38:18

, you know , because at my age of 61

38:20

, speed , balance and range of motion go first

38:22

, right , so that's why I get my treadmill

38:25

and sprint , that's why I do martial arts , because it's

38:27

fast , you know . And balance , you

38:29

know . Even though I'm not very good at it now , I

38:31

work on it so that it doesn't deteriorate even

38:33

more . Right . And then flexibility . I

38:36

mean you look at old folks , even old folks who train

38:38

. Often they're still doing the same routines

38:40

they did in high school and college . I

38:42

mean that's nuts . You got to expose yourself

38:44

to things that are going to really , really push

38:47

you , you know . And so , uh , you know , that's

38:49

why I still do yoga , that's why I still do cardio

38:51

, that's why I still do , uh , you know martial

38:53

arts stuff and I keep the variety up

38:55

. I don't lift those . I don't lift weights as much as I used to

38:57

because they're rough on my joints . I do body weight

38:59

stuff . You know what I mean , but I do crazy

39:02

body weight stuff . I climb ropes upside down and do

39:04

whatever you know . Um , yeah

39:06

, there you go .

39:08

All right , let's dive into the lightning round . Uh

39:10

, just a bunch of fun questions . What is the best advice

39:12

you've ever received and who gave it to you ?

39:21

Oh man , I

39:23

never had great mentors . The entire time

39:25

the books I read

39:27

were my mentors . So , whether it was Keith Ellis

39:30

or M Scott Peck or Wayne

39:32

Dyer or Gary

39:35

Zukoff or whoever I

39:38

was reading at the time , I'm a collection

39:40

of information over the course of

39:42

decades . I think the

39:44

first person that really changed my perspective

39:47

about exercise and I don't even remember

39:49

his name , which is really too bad which was

39:51

a weightlifting coach that

39:53

I had in college Because

39:56

he was funny and he was relatable and he treated

39:58

us like peers and

40:00

not like just punk kids . I

40:02

really enjoyed his company and I really look forward

40:04

to that class . I wanted to work

40:06

really hard for him because he was just a great guy . That

40:10

was sort of the beginning for me . And then

40:12

those first books , those first person development

40:14

books . I mean I was self-taught mostly

40:16

. You know what I mean . My dad was traveling

40:18

Monday through Friday . You know what I mean . There

40:21

were no coaches or trainers that I had in high

40:23

school or college that I

40:25

really cared for . So

40:28

yeah , that's the answer to that one .

40:30

If you could put a quote on a billboard for everyone to read

40:32

, what would it say ?

40:33

Do your best and forget the rest .

40:36

Love it , I was waiting all the way to interview for that .

40:38

Do whatever it is and your best changes day

40:40

to day , hour to hour , month to month

40:42

, but just you know what I mean . Another

40:46

one is the more you do , the better you get . So

40:48

repetitive , being consistent

40:50

, purpose , plan , accountability , variety

40:53

I write about that in my book . Having

40:56

a plan , having goals , surrounding

40:58

yourself with really good mentors you

41:01

know what I mean . Getting rid of the people in your life I know it's

41:03

hard , that they're just dragging you down

41:05

and you got to do it and you have to have those conversations

41:07

. That's kind of a combination platter , but

41:09

you know , there you go .

41:10

Yeah , best purchase you've made in the last year

41:12

for $100 or less . I'll say that

41:15

one again Done . Best purchase

41:17

you've made in the last year for $100 or less , oh

41:21

my gosh .

41:24

Oh , $100 or less . Okay

41:30

, well , you ready . Toilet

41:33

paper . You all

41:35

and I stocked up on

41:37

because we have these Paragon events here at our house

41:39

. We have like 30 people in from around the world . We

41:41

had to cancel our March one . We've had three

41:43

so far . We had three in 2019

41:45

. We hope to have a couple more here

41:48

in 2020 . But we always like uh-oh , you know , because we're

41:50

going to have a lot of people here . So we get cases

41:52

and cases of toilet paper . Yes

41:54

, haven't had to buy any since .

41:56

That is one answer I've never had before , so thank you . Well

41:58

, it's true , True Is

42:01

there . You've got to hang out with some really cool people in your life

42:03

. Is there anyone on the planet left that you'd like to have lunch

42:05

with ? Who's number one ?

42:07

Stephen Colbert . I

42:09

want to have lunch with Stephen Colbert man , I

42:11

just and Tom Hanks , I

42:14

just want to hang out with Tom Hanks . You

42:16

know what I mean .

42:17

Can you ?

42:17

make that happen ? Is it going to happen ? I don't know man

42:19

. I was supposed to be on Colbert's old

42:21

show on Comedy Central but

42:24

I got bumped or my

42:27

pre-interview sucked , I'm not sure . I

42:29

think I might have embarrassed myself in the pre-interview

42:31

.

42:31

You know what I mean , Because I would .

42:32

You know , I'm just a huge fan and you know

42:34

I think he's spot on . So yeah

42:37

, maybe one of these days , Stephen

42:39

, if you're listening or watching , come on , man

42:41

. I think you're fantastic and I'd be a great

42:43

guest . Let's do it .

42:45

There we go . Maybe this will be the thing that makes it happen

42:47

. Do you listen to podcasts ? And if

42:49

so , do you have a favorite podcast ?

42:51

You know , I don't , I really don't

42:53

, and everybody's asked me to have my own . I

42:55

think I just have too many balls in the air and

42:59

I just Joe Rogan . I've checked out

43:01

his a couple of times because people say , hey , check this one

43:03

out . But I think my new favorite one

43:05

is going to be this guy , Doug Smith .

43:08

Oh , thank you , he's my man

43:10

my new man right there . Yeah

43:12

, thank you , sir . What

43:15

are you passionate about right now ?

43:19

I'm passionate about my supplement line . It's

43:22

really , really . It's been a long haul . It's taken longer

43:24

than I expected , but we've crossed all

43:26

the T's and dotted all the I's . We've made some amazing

43:28

formulas . I'm really proud of them

43:30

. I'm proud about the way the bottles

43:32

look , the photos and

43:35

mostly the contents . You know I mean what

43:37

we've been able to do . We've got two plant-based

43:39

protein powders chocolate

43:41

and vanilla , two-way and these are grass-fed

43:44

Irish cows man , I even met the people from

43:46

Ireland that take care of these cows

43:48

, which is really cool and the combination

43:50

of vitamin D and BCAAs

43:53

and something called HMB . The

43:57

studies are amazing about HMB and

43:59

it really shows that even if you're coming out of surgery or

44:01

something and you're older like me , or even in their

44:03

70s , it can help actually

44:06

create muscle mass

44:08

from not doing anything . You know

44:10

what I mean , and so I've

44:12

noticed a lot of changes in myself because I work out like a maniac

44:14

and there's something called sarcopenia

44:17

, which is , you know , which is this when you're in your

44:19

40s , 50s , 60s and 70s . It's just , you

44:22

know , it's age-related muscle loss . It's just going to happen

44:24

, and we've come up with a formula that's going to kind

44:26

of help slow that or stop that for some people . And

44:28

that's cool , so I'm really I'm really

44:30

, really excited about that and the next level

44:32

workouts with Guy and they're fun , People

44:35

love them . Not everybody knows about them yet you

44:37

know they're still doing beach body

44:39

products that I've done , which is , you know it's fantastic

44:41

too , but those are really , really

44:43

great , and a lot of the original cast members . So

44:45

you know it's fun to do that . I can't wait to do

44:47

some more .

44:48

That's great . So what are some of the unusual habits

44:51

that enable you to be successful ?

44:56

That's a great question . Yeah

44:58

, man , it's just kind of a I

45:01

write everything down , I write everything

45:03

down and I have notes everywhere . I have a notepad in

45:05

my shower . It's waterproof , really

45:07

, yeah , you stick it up on the wall . It's

45:10

got two little and I always get inspiration in the shower

45:12

, of course . I have a pad next to the sink

45:15

where I brush my teeth , where I get ready

45:17

in the morning , right , you know so because I don't want to

45:19

go back into the shower . I write things down . I've got

45:21

notepads in

45:23

different size notepads , things

45:25

written on them , right

45:27

.

45:28

And you know , sean , I love this Notepads everywhere

45:30

. Is she a fan ?

45:31

Yeah , no , no , yeah , because she borrows them all the

45:33

time . She's always she'll drop right

45:35

down , take it on her desk . I mean , literally , look

45:37

at this man . This is all . These

45:40

are all to do things here

45:42

, right , and

45:44

? And so what I do is I go through my lists

45:47

and I cross them out and that's that's a . You

45:49

know , that's a simple habit . Another

45:51

one is , too , is just is

45:54

making sure that I'm dealing with the people in my life

45:57

that work for me . Well

45:59

, you know what I mean . Like everybody's up to speed

46:01

, you know and some . But in the old days when I wasn't

46:03

good at I , wasn't good at managing people , and

46:05

now I'm just checking in all the time . Hey , do we have everything

46:07

lined up ? It's just , you know , because I got a manager

46:10

, sean , it works for me . I have an assistant , I

46:12

have two social media people and then , of course , all

46:14

the people at GuyMTV

46:16

, fit and Yoga , all the people at Golden Hippo

46:19

that are making my , my , my supplement

46:22

line , just making sure that I'm staying on top

46:24

of all that . You know people say what do you do throughout

46:26

the day ? It's just managing those things . I mean , you

46:28

wake up to 50 emails and you

46:30

know 20 texts . That

46:32

takes some time to get through that stuff and before

46:35

you know I would let , I wouldn't

46:37

. I wasn't as good at it . I think I'm better now

46:39

because I made those mistakes . I don't want to make it any more

46:41

.

46:42

Do you have a routine , a morning

46:44

routine , or do you just wake up and check email and texts

46:47

?

46:47

I don't . It depends on the day , because my route , especially

46:50

now , especially now with this virus , you

46:53

know , I would have my early morning workouts and buddies

46:55

of mine would show up and do it , and I'd

46:57

have my afternoon , late afternoon , post

46:59

work not for me because I work at home , but

47:01

I have my friends would finish work and I'd have another group of people

47:03

showing up at six o'clock or six

47:06

30 . And so that's

47:08

all been shattered and now I'm

47:10

falling into my natural rock and roll pattern

47:12

of staying up really

47:14

late and sleeping in right

47:17

and setting up a podcast like this

47:19

at 11 o'clock with you Right

47:21

. So I used to have , you know , I used to have

47:23

eight o'clock in the morning I had

47:25

workouts at seven 30 or or

47:28

, yeah , seven 30 , and then I'd have

47:30

something after that or I'd eat or I'd do a post

47:32

recovery thing . So my pattern is completely

47:34

out of whack right now . But I'm sure once things

47:37

normalize it I'll go back .

47:39

We talked about a bucket list person you'd want to meet with

47:41

. Is there anything on your bucket list left to do

47:43

? What would be like the top thing on

47:45

your bucket list experience ?

47:47

You know I've done a lot of because of the success

47:49

of all these programs I mean , I've gone heli

47:51

scheme , which is was always

47:53

on that list , and then that's , you know

47:56

, something I'll hopefully continue to do . I

48:00

think one of them is is

48:02

to be successful . This next stage is

48:05

to be successful enough to be

48:07

able to buy my wife a little ranch

48:09

in my awesome

48:11

or in Arizona or something you know . I mean have

48:13

a property . I've always wanted

48:15

a property with a stream that runs

48:17

through it and a pond that freezes

48:20

that I can skate on . You

48:22

know what I mean ? A couple of horses out in the field

48:24

for my wife . I don't really ride . I

48:26

mean I do ride but it's not my only thing . But

48:28

just to be able to provide that for my wife , because she works

48:31

so hard for me and she's so amazing and I love her so dearly

48:33

. I just would love to just say , hey , guess

48:35

what ? You know , the vitamins are doing

48:37

great , the equipment line is doing great , all

48:39

these other things are doing great , and

48:41

so I just want to continue to work really , really hard to

48:43

be able to provide that for her .

48:45

I mean we've got a pretty good setup .

48:47

We live up in the hills , we've got incredible views

48:49

. We have a small place

48:51

in Jackson Hole when we want to go there and ski

48:53

, but yeah , my bucket list

48:55

is you know , I've jumped out of airplanes

48:58

, dude , I've been in two jet fighters

49:00

flying upside down all around

49:02

and then , you know , I've been to 62

49:04

military bases around the world . Yeah

49:08

, you know , I just want to ski

49:10

and I want to hang out on my ranch with my wife

49:12

and my bucket list is filled All

49:15

right ?

49:15

Well , hey , we'll push that link out . Yeah , hopefully

49:18

everyone listening to this can help make that

49:20

dream come true . If you could

49:22

go back and have coffee with 20 year old Tony , what

49:24

would you tell him ? 20

49:27

year old Tony .

49:29

I wouldn't give him any advice . I

49:32

would say , dude , just do what you're doing . I'd say

49:34

a little less procrastination , maybe

49:36

, drink a little less beer , smoke

49:40

a little less pot . Really , it's probably

49:42

better off if you'd get off the weed and

49:44

get off the booze . I mean that all happened anyway

49:46

. It happened probably four years

49:48

afterward , you know what I mean . Like I just went , oh

49:50

, I'm working out a lot of next time I think I'm bad , you

49:53

know . I mean I haven't had a drink . I can't . 30 years , 35

49:55

years , I don't know what's been thrown . And

49:58

yeah , you know , I mean

50:00

, would it have sped things up for me a little bit ? No

50:02

, I mean , everything happened , I think , for a reason . And

50:05

you know I was kind of lazy then and I was procrastinating

50:07

then and I was partying too much then and then

50:10

again so was everybody else around me . I

50:13

was able to meet

50:15

enough of the right people , have a decent

50:18

enough work ethic that I could

50:20

kind of begin to sort of make my way

50:22

to where I am now , which

50:24

is pretty great . I mean , do I

50:26

wish I was ? Do I wish I

50:28

had more money in the bank ? Sure , like everybody else , do

50:30

I wish I had that ranch for my wife already . Yeah

50:33

, sure , but you know it

50:36

is what it is and I'm trying to be present , I'm

50:38

trying to be in the moment , I'm trying to work really hard . You

50:41

know what I mean . I've got 22

50:43

failed businesses in the process

50:45

of all this . You know , I had my own

50:47

watches that didn't work , had my own

50:49

sunglasses that didn't work , had my own mouth

50:52

guards that didn't work , had my own

50:54

clothing line four times that

50:56

didn't work . Had six TV

50:58

pilots . None of those took off . You

51:00

know what I mean , and so you know

51:03

what do I . What do you learn from that ? You know , whatever

51:05

Water onto the bridge , move

51:07

on , keep moving . You know what I mean . And

51:09

so is my brand new fitness equipment aligned . It's

51:11

not quite out yet . Is that going to blow

51:14

up ? I don't know , but

51:16

I'm going to keep pursuing it because I'm doing it , you're going for it .

51:19

Yeah , I love that . And

51:21

you know , many years from now , when you're looking back on your life , what

51:23

do you want to be remembered for and what do you want your legacy

51:25

to be ?

51:33

Yeah , that I did everything that I could to help as many people

51:35

as I could . You

51:37

know , I mean like

51:40

your story . Before we started the podcast

51:42

, you were telling me my story and how I was able to change

51:45

your life . You

51:47

know , that's that

51:50

just God . That just fills me

51:52

up . It fills me up , I

51:54

feel like you know , because when I was

51:56

younger , I always everything , I always

51:58

felt like I was coming up short , like all

52:01

the time , every day , like , god

52:03

, was that the best I could do today Was this week worth

52:05

? You know anything , god ? I don't feel like

52:07

I accomplished anything this month . Boy

52:09

1987 sucked , you

52:11

know what I mean . I don't have any of those feelings anymore . I don't

52:13

. I just feel like , wow , I've got an amazing

52:16

wife . I have a beautiful home , I'm

52:19

able to kind of do almost anything I want to do , and

52:22

it was all as a result of being able to help

52:24

people . You know what I mean . It wasn't like I

52:26

was selling , you know , weapons or

52:28

nuclear plutonium

52:33

or whatever , you know , I mean , it was because

52:35

I was helping people . I mean one of the store

52:37

. This one kid contacts me and

52:40

it turns out that this kid

52:42

, a total stranger , is a friend

52:45

of family members of mine . It

52:48

blew my mind . He was out

52:50

of shape , overweight , was in the

52:52

best shape of his life . He was like 80 plus days

52:54

in a P90X and fell off a

52:56

three-story building into an alley

52:58

Because he fell

53:00

over some bricks . It was dark , they didn't have any light , they

53:03

didn't have a building . He broke everything

53:06

Broke his face , eye

53:08

sockets , arms , wrists , fingers

53:11

, ribs , because he landed

53:13

upper body first

53:15

. The only thing he didn't break his legs was the only thing

53:17

. Everything

53:20

else was destroyed . He was

53:22

pronounced dead three times

53:24

. He came in to

53:26

give him his final a

53:29

couple of times , you know , and

53:32

he immediately goes . P90x

53:35

kept me from dying because I talked

53:37

to my surgeons multiple surgeries

53:39

. Later I

53:41

got that note and I had a phone number at the back because he

53:43

contacted me through my website and I called him up . All

53:47

my doctors said if I was in the shape I was in , if

53:50

I didn't have the basic muscular structure

53:52

that I had , I would

53:54

have died on the spot . Come

53:56

on , man , I

53:59

was at death's door . I was a full-blown

54:01

alcoholic drug addict . I

54:04

had OB'd a bunch of times . My

54:06

girl left me , I was out of a job

54:08

. Then some friend of mine introduced me to P90X

54:11

. I became a trainer . I married the woman

54:13

of my dreams and I have three kids , and

54:15

a fitness is part of my life now . Those

54:18

are just two . There are hundreds

54:21

of stories like that .

54:22

Hundreds I collected them .

54:24

I'm going to write a book and just have those stories in

54:26

that book . So , yeah

54:28

, you know , I want to keep doing

54:31

that . I want to do that until like , when are you going to retire

54:33

, retire ? I like my gig , I want

54:35

to keep doing my gig .

54:36

I mean , I'll take more days off .

54:40

So that legacy right there . You know

54:42

, I'm blessed . I'm blessed , Very

54:44

fortunate .

54:46

I'm one of those stories that I told you , so thank you

54:48

for transforming my life . I can't imagine my life without

54:50

you , and is there anything else you want to leave

54:52

our listeners with today ? Gosh

54:56

no , I think we covered a lot .

54:57

Yeah , I mean , usually at the end I have a little sort

54:59

of a you

55:01

know , I'll leave with this , I'll leave with this If

55:04

you feel like you're stuck and you feel like there's a . You're

55:06

not quite where you want to be in your life , whatever , whether

55:09

it's physically , mentally , emotionally , spiritually . You

55:11

know , I mean there's a lot of things that we can do , a lot of things that we

55:14

can read . You know there's a lot of practices

55:17

that we hope will

55:19

alter things and change things . But

55:21

I know that there's . I know there's one thing that's true

55:23

for everyone , it's a universal truth , right ? So

55:26

there's not very many of those , but there's

55:30

two things that we can control for sure , 100%

55:32

what we decide to eat and

55:34

whether we decided to move or not physically on

55:37

a particular day the traffic , the

55:39

weather , your family , whatever the coronavirus

55:41

work . You know , I mean , there's

55:43

so many things that are out of our control and it's those

55:46

things that are out of our control that makes us crazy , that

55:48

creates all this frustration and fear and

55:50

trepidation , right ? So you

55:53

know , it really comes out of brain chemistry , you

55:56

know . And so when you're eating the right kinds of food because

55:58

you know , I had this bilateral vestibular

56:00

hypo function and Epstein bar and

56:02

I dramatically changed my diet

56:04

and that has been suppressed . Like

56:07

the Epstein bar , it's gone . I mean , I had that . It's

56:10

literally . It looks like narcolepsy . You're

56:12

exhausted all the time and

56:14

so diet is huge . You know you are . Do you eat

56:16

? Jack Elaine said that you know half

56:19

a century ago and it's still true . Because

56:21

when you eat right , when you exercise , you

56:23

got to be consistent . It's got to be five to six days a week

56:26

, it can't be three . If you work out two , three

56:28

, four days a week , four is even not enough . You end

56:30

up with what I call exercise bipolar

56:32

disorder , because when you do eat the

56:34

right foods and you exercise consistently

56:36

, you release norepinephrine , dopamine

56:38

, serotonin , brain derived neurotropic

56:41

factor . It's virtual miracle growth

56:43

for the brain . It happens inside your temporal lobe

56:45

, inside your dentate gyruses . It's

56:47

this little tiny thing , it's smaller than your pinky

56:49

finger , and when you exercise , molecules

56:52

and proteins start to vibrate , they come

56:54

together . They change your perspective , improve your

56:56

memory , your cognition , your sex drive . The

56:58

glasses have full . I mean it changes everything

57:00

about your ability to deal

57:03

with all the things that are outside

57:05

of your control , so that you can have a level of productivity

57:08

you never thought you could have , and

57:10

it's purely because you moved your body

57:13

and you made good food choices , because

57:15

everything comes from up

57:17

inside of your noggin and if you're inconsistent

57:19

with those things , then everything

57:22

in your life will be inconsistent . So

57:24

if you want your life , it's not going to go like this . It's

57:28

going to go like this as

57:30

opposed to like

57:33

that right , because

57:35

nobody's getting younger . We're always aging . We're

57:37

always going to go sarcopenia and a lot of other things internal

57:39

organs , brain function . It slows

57:41

down Exercise and diet

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keeps that from happening . I mean , when I'm 91

57:47

, am I going to still be on the slack

57:49

line and on the pegboard ? God

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, I hope so . That's

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it . Move your body , make

57:56

good food choices , especially now , during

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what's going on around the world . I don't

58:01

understand why so many people who are dealing

58:03

with very tough times make really

58:05

bad choices so they can make that situation

58:07

worse . That is , I mean

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, that's how we are right . I mean , as human beings

58:12

, we always have a tendency to take the

58:14

easy road , but if you're willing to put in the time

58:16

and make better choices , you'll

58:19

notice in a week or two or three that

58:21

you're able to deal with this much , much

58:23

better and you'll have a completely different story at the

58:25

end , and I know you want that , so thank you

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so good , tony .

58:28

It was so great to meet you and spend an hour

58:30

with you . This is going to add massive value to our listeners

58:33

. So thank you and thanks again for everything you do . Well , hey

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, leader , thank you so much for listening to my conversation

58:37

with Tony Horton . I hope that you enjoyed it as much as I did

58:39

. You can find ways to connect with him and links

58:41

to everything that we discussed in the show notes at

58:43

l3leadershiporg forward slash 393

58:45

. And , as always , leader , I

58:47

want to challenge you that if you want a 10 extra growth this year

58:49

, then you need to either launch or join an L3 leadership

58:52

mastermind group . Mastermind groups are simply groups

58:54

of six to 12 leaders that meet together for at least one

58:56

year in order to help each other grow , hold each

58:58

other accountable and to do life together . For

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me personally , mastermind groups have been the greatest source of growth

59:02

in my life over the last eight years . So if

59:04

you're interested in learning more about launching a

59:06

joining group , go to L3leadershiporg forward

59:09

slash masterminds or email me at Doug

59:11

Smith and L3leadershiporg . And

59:14

, as always , I like the end of every episode of the quote , and I'll quote

59:16

Jim Rowan today , who said this . He said

59:18

if you really want to do something , you'll find a

59:20

way . If you don't , you'll

59:22

find an excuse . Boom . Well

59:25

, leader , know that my wife Laura and I love you . We believe

59:27

in you and I say it every episode . But don't quit , keep

59:30

leading . The world desperately needs your

59:32

leadership . I'll talk to you next episode .