0:05

It was just after two am on November

0:10

with three boats cast off into

0:12

the icy waters north of San Francisco,

0:15

their destination the abandoned

0:17

federal prison on Alcatraz Island.

0:23

The boats were packed with Native American

0:25

activists intent on season control

0:27

of Alcatraz. Why

0:30

to send a message. Here's

0:33

Geneva Sea boy, she was there

0:35

that night. I think it was

0:37

basic Crea Shane. Hey, these

0:40

are the issues we are faced with. We

0:43

aren't being treated equally. Was

0:46

the beginning of movements to acquire

0:49

things that were taken away on

0:52

Geneva's boat was one of the organizers

0:54

of the protests, the seven year

0:56

old iron worker by the name of Richard

0:58

Oakes. He was

1:02

very charismatic person,

1:05

very intelligent, articulate.

1:08

He had a type of way about

1:10

him, you know, when he wanted

1:13

to relay a message,

1:16

he could get it across and people

1:18

would listen. On his starboard

1:20

side, Richard could see the golden gate

1:22

bridge glowing red against the dark sky.

1:26

Up ahead. Helicopters circled

1:28

the rocky island. Witnesses

1:30

would later report that the prison was

1:32

lit up like a Christmas tree. The

1:35

coach guard was alerted by then. Here

1:38

the you know, circular the

1:40

island and shining their

1:42

spotlights. To

1:44

Richard's surprise, the government security

1:47

forces hung back, allowing the boats

1:49

to land safely. The activists

1:51

gathered in the desolate former residence of

1:53

the prison warden. Someone started

1:56

to play a drum.

1:58

The occupation of our a Traz had

2:00

begun. We are the

2:03

Native Americans, reclaimed this landowners Alcatraz

2:05

Island in the name of all American Indians by writers

2:08

Discovery Real Purchase said

2:10

Alcatraz Island for two and

2:12

glass beats and red cloth. A president

2:14

set by the white man's purchase of a similar island about

2:16

three years ago. Alcatraz

2:19

is a tiny barren rock. The

2:21

prison was crumbling and abandoned. So

2:24

why would Richard, Geneva and the others

2:26

risk their lives to take it freed

2:29

up? I think that's what it

2:31

was. It was freedom, because

2:34

when we were out on the island, we fout

2:36

free. We've spent the last

2:39

seven episodes telling you the history

2:41

of cal X cal Marcus and Louis

2:43

took their long shot idea into the mainstream,

2:46

and how it all came crashing down. Today,

2:50

Calls is trying to rebuild. But

2:52

as you'll hear new developments in

2:54

the Russian scandal and the rupture and

2:56

the friendship between Marcus Ruiz Evans and

2:58

Louis Marinelli can continue to threaten

3:01

the movement's potential. In

3:03

this our season finale, we examine

3:05

the future of Calxit, and we'll ask

3:07

one final question. Could

3:10

calls it really set Californians

3:13

free? As it turns out, the

3:15

answer depends a lot on what you mean by

3:18

free. From

3:20

Interval presents an awfully nice this

3:23

is the last resort I'm shoot

3:25

got Episode eight, Alcatraz.

3:29

Oh, we're

3:38

gonna go file paperwork. We

3:40

we can't have everybody in all

3:43

right. In the years after

3:45

the Russia scandal, Marcus and Lewis

3:47

made multiple attempts to recapture the

3:49

momentum. On Valentine's

3:51

Day, they filed

3:54

for a second Calaxit Ballet initiative,

3:56

What California is following for a divorce from the United

3:58

States? Because talking abouts So

4:00

we're gonna have a vote in May fourth. May

4:03

fourth is also Star Wars Dea and

4:06

so may the forest with us? Uh.

4:08

The initiative was later abandoned. Louis

4:12

announced plans to run for governor of California

4:15

while still living in Russia. Here's

4:18

Connie Marcus mom,

4:21

Louis is out of the country, and yet Louis

4:23

thinks he's going to run for governor of California.

4:25

Ludicrous. So Louis

4:28

then is trying to really get Marcus to

4:30

help manage a lot of

4:32

what Louis needed to get done on the front line.

4:35

He ended his campaign after backlash.

4:41

All along the way. Despite the controversy,

4:44

Marcus stayed loyal to his friend. I

4:47

love him, but he's a rascal. I

4:49

do not regret my friendship with Louis

4:51

Marinelli. I love Louis Marinelli.

4:54

I respect Louis's brain

4:57

when it comes to marketing. I

4:59

believe in second chance. So I'm not

5:01

religious, but I grew up Mexican Catholic and

5:04

the idea of forgiveness and people can turn

5:06

another leaf was beaten into me, uh

5:08

figuratively. In the end,

5:11

this loyalty was not repaid. On

5:13

December fourteen, one, five

5:16

years after reports first emerged

5:18

of his Russian ties, Louis Mayrinelli

5:20

published a blog post declaring that

5:22

cal Exit was dead and he

5:25

was killing it. We asked Lewis

5:27

to read part of his statement for us. It

5:30

is vitally important for millions of rational,

5:33

normal people living in California,

5:36

the state as we know it never becomes an independent

5:38

country. Independence would unbind

5:41

California from the only thing

5:43

that has thus far kept it

5:45

from completely deteriorating into a third

5:47

world communist state. That one

5:49

thing is the United States Constitution. This

5:52

is an aggressive opinion about California,

5:55

coming from a man who founded the California

5:57

Independence Movement and spent the last

5:59

seven year is promoting California exceptionalism

6:02

and making the case for its independence. Lewis

6:05

went on to say that it was time for him to

6:07

make his own exit. He and

6:09

his family were moving out of Russia and

6:12

cutting all ties to California.

6:14

As such, so comes to the end of the California

6:17

Independence Movement, which is hereby ceasing

6:19

all activity. For

6:21

Marcus, who had devoted much of the previous

6:23

decade fighting for Coles, the

6:26

letter wasn't just a shock, it

6:28

was an insult and a betrayal. I

6:31

think he's flipped. I think that's

6:33

a symbol of a man who's had a

6:35

psychotic break because I remember

6:37

the man before. When we first

6:39

started hanging out. He was a English

6:41

teacher for a university

6:44

in San Diego, what happened

6:46

to that guy five years ago? And how did

6:48

he become this guy? I think

6:50

he felt very abused.

6:52

It's like losing your brother. They

6:55

shared all kinds of conversations

6:58

and life and things like that, and

7:00

I think he was just grief stricken. And

7:02

I had to point that out because n

7:04

F he can be your friend, but he

7:07

it's also your enemy. In

7:10

the months after Louis posted his letter, he

7:12

and Marcus became bitterly estranged,

7:15

fighting over control of Yes California's

7:17

social media handles and other issues.

7:20

Louis mocked the Calsan movement

7:22

that he had co founded. He even started

7:24

a new initiative, the Campaign for National

7:27

Partition c NP, possibly

7:30

just to troll the other CNP, the

7:32

California National Party. I

7:34

still wanted to support the general mission

7:36

of a national partition and national

7:39

divorce, and so I decided that Yes California

7:41

would become the state level chapter of

7:43

a new national movement called

7:45

the Campaign for National Partition, which

7:48

also has the abbreviation CMP. It's

7:50

uh well, I would like to confirm

7:53

or deny if that was intentional. By

7:55

the middle of Marcus

7:57

and Louis were no longer on speaking terms.

8:00

Well, Marcus doesn't answer my calls, and

8:02

so that's on him because

8:05

he is going to be upset, uh

8:08

like a little baby. I think that Marcus

8:10

needs some time to get over his frustration

8:14

or whatever. I think that he might come around when

8:16

he realizes that he's not able

8:18

to make progress. He's

8:21

gonna miss the days when Louis

8:23

Marinelli could give him some presentation. The

8:26

fight with Louis was embarrassing and

8:28

a distraction. Marcus

8:30

just wanted to move on. The

8:32

movement is not dead. It's still here.

8:35

We've been investigated multiple times.

8:38

One guy is doing his best

8:40

to burn the whole thing down and burn

8:42

all the crops, but the entire rest

8:44

of the movement doesn't follow him, and so

8:46

we're going through a really nasty divorce. But hundred

8:49

sixty people still believe. But

8:52

then disaster struck again.

9:07

On Tuesday, a federal grand

9:09

jury sitting in Tampa, Florida, returned

9:12

an indictment charging Russian national

9:15

Alexander viktorovich ian

9:18

Off with conspiring to use

9:20

several US persons as

9:22

agents of Russia without

9:24

prior notification to the Attorney

9:27

General. On

9:29

July, the

9:32

Department of Justice announced charges

9:34

against Alexander Janov calls

9:36

it's partner in Russia and the president

9:39

of the anti globalization movement ian

9:41

Off, engaged in a malign

9:44

influenced campaign two

9:46

so discord, spread propaganda,

9:49

and interfere in elections within

9:52

the United States, all of

9:54

which was orchestrated by the Russian

9:57

Federal Security Service known

9:59

as the FSB. By the way,

10:02

the FSB is the Russian equivalent of

10:04

like the CIA, I

10:07

directed and control the activities of

10:09

three US political

10:11

groups, including one right

10:14

here in St. Petersburg, Florida, another

10:17

in Atlanta, Georgia, and a

10:19

third in Sacramento, California.

10:25

We called Marcus after the charges were announced.

10:28

What did this indictment mean exactly? The

10:32

indictment says it's against

10:34

Ianov Russian

10:36

citizens, saying that he consciously

10:39

received direction from the FSP,

10:42

so he was pretending to be a

10:44

nonprofit while secretly

10:47

taking orders from the fs B with

10:50

the intended purpose of destroying

10:53

America. The indictment

10:55

made new allegations about Calgs's

10:58

ties to Russia. That's one

11:00

from cal legs it probably Lewis

11:02

had taken cash from Yanov and

11:04

that this person was taking orders from him

11:06

as well. The indictment says

11:09

that unidentified

11:12

co conspirator six, which

11:14

they seem to suggest as Lewis Marinelli,

11:17

worked for political Group

11:19

three or something. They mean, yes, California.

11:22

To my knowledge, the indictment

11:24

was picked up in major newspapers like the New

11:26

York Times, and just like that

11:29

Cale's it was back in the headlines again,

11:32

but for all the wrong reasons.

11:36

I am in North America

11:38

somewhere. When we reached Louis

11:40

for his reaction, he had left Russia,

11:43

but he didn't want to tell us where he was.

11:46

We asked him, had he taken money

11:48

from Alexander Yanov? Yo

11:51

has given me some money from

11:53

time to time when I asked for

11:55

it, simply because the

11:57

money it was available to

12:00

help support certain causes. And I

12:02

just took the money because someone's

12:04

offering a couple hundred dollars, so who's gonna

12:06

not take a couple hundred dollars. Louis

12:09

says he wasn't working for young Of and

12:11

that the money came with no strings attached,

12:14

But at the same time he was scared.

12:16

He didn't know what yan Of might be capable

12:18

of. There were some jokes that he made

12:20

from time to time along the lines of that you're safe

12:23

in Russia thanks to me or

12:25

something, and so if you analyze

12:27

that context, it might mean that the

12:29

opposite is true. What happens if

12:31

he's no longer in the picture, that you're

12:33

not safe in Russian I felt

12:35

the need to keep him happy, or

12:38

at least feel like I could be of use to him,

12:40

because if I was not and he used

12:42

him, perhaps he could cause trouble

12:44

for me as an American in Russia.

12:47

Louis didn't know if Yanov was a

12:49

Russian spy, and he didn't really

12:51

want to find out. I don't know who

12:53

he is. I never had confirmed

12:56

information that he was an agent

12:58

of the Russian in telligence services. For example,

13:01

if you wanted to cause me problems, I think that he would

13:03

be in a position to do that simply because

13:05

he would have contexts and anybody know somebody,

13:08

and he would be able to do that. According

13:10

to Louis, there was no conspiracy between

13:13

him and the Russian government, and certainly

13:15

not between Russia and Calesa. He

13:18

had just done what he thinks anyone

13:20

in his shoes would do. Take some free

13:22

money and try not to piss off the shady,

13:24

well connected guy who had taken an interest

13:26

in Louis's political activism.

13:29

I was acting as a political activists

13:31

exercise my right to free speech, and

13:33

it didn't require Alexander for

13:36

Russians telling me to do something. I was doing it myself.

13:44

Um, there

13:48

is one side of the story that we haven't

13:50

heard yet, Alexander

13:52

janovs We

13:55

interviewed Alexander Janov several

13:57

times while working on this podcast

14:00

recently in the days after his indictment. Sometimes

14:03

he spoke with us directly and sometimes

14:05

through an interpreter who refers to Yanov

14:07

as Sasha. We wanted

14:10

to know what did he think of the charges

14:12

against him. The

14:15

message to your

14:18

business

14:21

simple, He's very

14:23

sorry and upset that there

14:25

are double standards in USA, and

14:28

as a result, a criminal case was

14:31

opened. Janov claims that it's

14:33

not Russia interfering in US affairs,

14:36

it's the other way around. He says

14:38

he was exposing US propaganda

14:40

operations in Russia and the charges

14:42

against him are retaliation. And

14:45

yes, he did donate a small amount

14:47

of money, maybe five dollars

14:49

to Calsit, but he says he

14:51

gives money to lots of causes he supports.

14:54

For example, Jana says

14:56

that he donated to Joe Biden's

14:58

presidential campaign. Sasha

15:01

also financed the Democratic

15:03

Party, hoping that Biden would be

15:05

more adequate to present than Trump

15:08

two thousand dollars. I'm open

15:10

to the League and the Nations of

15:12

Democracy Party, and we

15:15

really supported the Biden the president

15:17

election. In case you're wondering,

15:20

it's actually illegal for foreigners to

15:22

donate the US political campaigns.

15:24

But in any event, Jana says

15:26

his donations were too small to make a

15:28

difference. You need a lot more

15:31

than five hundred dollars to make collecs

15:33

that happen. Five hundred

15:35

dollars is not enough to separate California

15:38

and to do collect it. And what

15:40

we're discussing today is five

15:43

dollars in a comparison of thousands

15:46

and Marian's dollars from the

15:49

Yes government to Russia's

15:51

foreign agencies, and

15:54

it is crazy. Finally,

15:56

we wanted to know what was his relationship

15:59

with Lewis Marinelli. Were

16:01

they friends? Funny

16:03

enough, Janov says he kept

16:06

this distance from Lewis out of fears

16:08

that he might be working for the FBI.

16:11

Sacha said that they only communicated

16:13

exclusively at Big Dialogue

16:15

cognitions platform, or when

16:18

Lewis wanted to hold some kind

16:20

of events, but since

16:22

Sasha understood that Lewis

16:25

has some connections with FBI

16:27

agents, he didn't help him

16:30

o provide some of systems. It's

16:39

all enough to make your head spin.

16:42

Was Louis and FBI asset is

16:44

Alexander Yanov a Russian spy? We

16:47

may never get the full truth. Janov

16:50

is a Russian citizen living in Russia,

16:53

so it's unlikely that he'll ever be

16:55

brought to trial in the US. But

16:57

at the very least, the whole Weird men

17:00

See story raises a lot of questions,

17:02

not just about the idea of Call Exit,

17:04

but about the judgment and intention

17:07

of its founders. It's hard to

17:09

know what Louis really believes in

17:11

and what his motives are. After

17:13

all, the same guy who said this, I

17:16

mean, I'm a progressive liberal, so

17:18

I supported Bernie Sanders as

17:20

a candidate for president also

17:22

said this the right

17:24

wing conservative, national populist,

17:27

anti establishment, anti globalist.

17:29

I don't want to live in California

17:32

and I don't agree with most of what

17:34

Californians believe in. Was

17:36

Louis just trolling us? The whole time.

17:39

As from Marcus, you have to wonder about

17:41

him too. Why would he stand

17:43

by Louis and by cal Exit

17:46

at such great personal cost? What's

17:48

in it for him? We get that question

17:51

a lot. Is this so that you can become president?

17:53

As we said, it's gonna be up to the California voters, And

17:55

so a lot of people here, clearing myself,

17:57

were said, hey, you know, once we get this in and the vote

18:00

saying we're going to succeed, that will be huge,

18:02

and all of us will be famous, and all of us who were

18:04

in the movement from way back will be like gods.

18:06

And so we could run for office and then we could formerly

18:09

be part of the decision making process coming forward.

18:12

Whatever their motives, Marcus and Louis

18:14

have presided over a cal Exit campaign

18:17

marred by controversy and scandal.

18:19

As a result, some believe their continued

18:22

association with Calxit is holding

18:24

the movement back. Here's

18:26

theos later from the California National

18:29

Party. I've never had as much

18:31

trouble with Marcus as I have had

18:34

with Louis. I think that he means

18:36

well, but he has been led astray. Everything

18:39

to do with Louis made yes California

18:41

toxic. That was the heart

18:43

of all of their tactical mistakes and

18:46

everything that they did wrong and every way that they

18:48

harmed California, that

18:50

they harmed the California independence movement, and that they

18:52

harmed themselves. Alexander

19:01

Janov told us something else,

19:04

something troubling, that

19:06

he wasn't just linking up with secessionists

19:09

like Marcus and Lewis. When

19:11

we first interviewed him before he was

19:13

indicted. He also bragged about

19:15

his relationships with US business

19:17

leaders. You know, I am steak

19:20

Reason, the two big businessman, Peter

19:23

Teal and I read the one article

19:26

about the California

19:29

station to three States. Did

19:31

you catch that name? Janov was

19:33

claiming to have met with a man named

19:36

Peter Teal. You

19:38

know, I am speak Reason, the two

19:40

big businessman Tal.

19:43

We've talked about Till on the show before.

19:46

He's the billionaire investor behind

19:48

the Sea Setting Institute. He's spoken

19:50

positively about Calexit. Meet

19:53

Peter Till, the billionaire's behind

19:55

companies like paink, pal and Pal and Tier, the

19:57

first outside investor in Facebook and

20:00

and Silicon Valley's ultimate contrarian

20:02

thinker. But that's not the whole story.

20:04

On Peter TiO. He's also one

20:07

of the largest political donors in the United

20:09

States. This year, he spent close

20:11

to thirty million dollars in support of

20:14

far right candidates that he hand picked

20:16

for the U. S. Senate. The PayPal co founder

20:18

was one of President Trump's most ardent supporters.

20:21

We know that till has been a patron of the far

20:23

right to meeting with people who have been described

20:26

as ideological architects of

20:28

white nationalism. Peter TiO

20:30

wields enormous influence over the future

20:33

of the country, both through his political

20:35

activities and through the role his business

20:37

plays in our national defense. So

20:40

if he has met with Alexander Yanov, a

20:42

person accused of working with Russian intelligence

20:45

to destabilize the US, he

20:47

raises a big question. Why

20:50

what did they discuss and is there

20:52

more to their connection than just one

20:54

meeting. We haven't been

20:56

able to confirm Janov's claims about

20:59

meeting Peter too, It's not

21:01

for lack of trying. When we asked Teal

21:03

and his reps for comment, our questions

21:05

were ignored. As for Joan Off,

21:07

after his FBI indictment, we asked

21:09

him about Teal again. This

21:12

is what he said

21:17

Okay, so now he cannot

21:19

say who he met because

21:22

there is a criminal case. Now secually

21:24

just will not comment at

21:26

all on his meetings

21:29

with everyone from the

21:32

United States to agerit any

21:34

persecution for these people.

21:41

There's a reason we keep talking about

21:43

Peter Teal on this show, a reason

21:45

that gets to the very heart of the Callex story.

21:49

Back in two thousand nine, Teal published

21:51

an essay to highlight his support for

21:53

the c Setting Institute. It was called

21:56

The Education of a Libertarian. The

21:59

essay contained a number of startling

22:01

and condemnable ideas. For

22:03

example, Teel hoped to become

22:06

immortal, writing quote, I

22:08

stand against the ideology

22:10

of the inevitability of death for

22:12

every individual unquote.

22:15

He lamented the fact that women who

22:17

don't tend to support libertarian ideas

22:20

were provided the right to vote,

22:23

and finally, he wrote this quote,

22:26

I no longer believe that freedom and democracy

22:29

are compatible unquote. You

22:31

might be thinking, how could

22:33

that be. Aren't freedom and democracy

22:37

kind of the same thing. We've been

22:39

exploring the tension between freedom

22:41

and democracy in every episode of this

22:43

podcast. To help us understand

22:45

the distinction, we need to go back

22:47

to November nine and

22:50

the abandoned federal prison on Alcatraz

22:53

Island. On

22:58

November a

23:00

group of Native activists landed

23:02

on Alcatraz. Their goal

23:05

was to reclaim land that had been stolen

23:07

by the federal government. Just

23:09

eighty nine people occupy the island

23:12

at first, but as words spread,

23:14

more and more people arrived. They

23:17

built their own school, healthcare center,

23:20

even a radio station from

23:22

Radio Free Alcatraz and welcoming

23:24

you to Indian Land Alcatraz on behalf

23:27

of the Indians of all Tribes. In

23:29

response, the Coast Guard enacted

23:31

a blockade, trying to stop the supply

23:34

of food and water. But

23:36

it didn't matter right now,

23:38

It doesn't make a difference really what Washington

23:40

does. There is only one way now that Washington can never stop

23:43

this, and it's to come out here with

23:45

armed troops and take us forcibly.

23:47

After here, here's Geneva

23:49

Sea Boy again. She was one of the

23:51

original occupiers of Alcatraz

23:54

Island. When I think about it,

23:56

maybe it could have been jail,

23:58

could have been shot, But at the

24:00

time I didn't even think about those.

24:03

Oh, I just feel of excitement. Geneva

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was excited because they're on

24:08

Alcatraz Island. She was feeling

24:11

something. She had never felt before. We

24:13

didn't worry about being stopped for a

24:16

violation of anything. I

24:18

wasn't worried about where it's going to eat, I wasn't worried about

24:20

where it's going to screep. And everybody

24:23

was so happy and working together. You

24:25

know, it was really nice. So it was freedom

24:28

for Geneva. Freedom was about community,

24:31

not separation. It was not about

24:33

doing whatever she wanted. It was

24:35

about living without persecution.

24:38

Here's Alex Kasnavish, author

24:40

of Sabatistas Rebellion From the

24:42

Grassroots to the Global. We

24:44

heard from him last episode. So

24:47

when the Sapatistas, for example, talk

24:49

about autonomy, they are not talking about

24:51

autonomy and this kind of don't tread on me,

24:54

my personal space, my will, my

24:57

property. They are actually talking

24:59

about autonomy in its most

25:01

sophisticated formation, which is a relational

25:03

form. Because I can't have autonomy, I

25:05

can't rule myself fairly,

25:08

justly, in a dignified way unless I acknowledge

25:10

your right to do so too. So nobody's

25:13

autonomy gets to trump anybody else's.

25:15

We begin with a recognition of mutual

25:18

existence and dignity and

25:20

justice. In the United States,

25:22

however, freedom has historically

25:25

meant something pretty different. The

25:27

word freedom has somehow come to me in

25:29

my right basically to do whatever

25:32

I want free of consequence, so

25:34

long as I have the power to enact

25:36

that. That's a very familiar form of power,

25:38

and it's so familiar I think

25:41

we become accustomed to associating

25:43

it with the only way we can understand power,

25:45

which is a huge mistake. One of the things

25:47

that Spatistas did was to remind us

25:50

that our power actually comes from

25:52

the collective ability to live with

25:55

dignity, to work together, to struggle

25:57

alongside one another. Power is

25:59

only exercise relationally. Freedom

26:02

can't be absolute through this

26:04

lens. The whole notion of cal egsit

26:07

isn't really about freedom, then, is it.

26:09

It's kind of just another fight overpower.

26:12

It's a movement trying to solve our problems by

26:14

avoiding them. It's putting up borders

26:16

between us and our perceived political opponents

26:19

so we no longer have to listen to what they have

26:21

to say. All of this points

26:23

to one conclusion. Changing

26:26

our borders isn't going to solve America's

26:29

divisions. What we need is

26:31

something far more fundamental.

26:49

Greetings, everybody, my name is shoes.

26:51

This got not Martinez. Can

26:53

we get a round of approse for the graduating

26:55

class real quick? This

26:58

past June, I was invited to speak at

27:00

the graduation ceremony of a school in East

27:02

Los Angeles called an International

27:05

University. The school teaches

27:07

the usual subjects like math and science,

27:10

but embedded into the curriculum is another

27:12

concept. Here's how it appears

27:14

on the mission statement written in

27:16

my language nawa ana

27:28

I. In

27:31

English, it translates to quote,

27:34

A student will learn in every deliberation

27:37

to consider the impact of one's decisions

27:39

on the seven generations to come and

27:41

all natural relations end quote.

27:45

One of the world's oldest living democracies

27:47

is the hut Nashoni Confederacy.

27:50

It's a group of tribal nations whose lands

27:52

stretched from Ohio to New York. The

27:55

confederacy originated a concept

27:57

known as the seventh Generation principle, a

28:00

principle that the Anaa School

28:02

continues today. It states

28:04

that the decisions we make today should

28:06

result in a prosperous world seven

28:08

generations into the future. It

28:11

requires us to be accountable in our relationships

28:13

with the land and with each other. And

28:16

I think if you look back through history through any great

28:18

social movements, you can see the change has always

28:20

come from community. One thing that we can all

28:23

really resonate with, especially

28:25

coming from Ana, is getting

28:27

rid of this idea of being self made. I

28:30

think each and every one of us are here today

28:32

because we are community made. I

28:34

know for a fact that I am who I am.

28:37

I've reached the places I've been able to reach. I've

28:39

been able to share the voice that I have because

28:41

of my ancestors, because of

28:44

these teachings that ground me to a

28:46

connection that is deeper than just myself. I

28:49

don't know what the future holds, if

28:52

cals it will ever happen, if

28:54

we'll have a national divorce or civil

28:56

war. What I do believe is

28:59

that replacing unjust systems is

29:01

going to require us to build community,

29:03

not split. Apart from the

29:05

George Floyd protests, to the landback

29:08

movement, to the mutual aid that kept

29:10

communities afloat through the pandemic, everything

29:12

that's pushed us forward these last few years

29:15

has come from people being brave enough to

29:17

imagine a more just world and

29:19

humble enough to build it together.

29:23

The United States was founded as a settler

29:25

republic, granting freedom to white

29:27

men at the expense of democracy

29:29

for all. It's the country that people

29:32

like Peter Teal and Donald Trump are

29:34

working hard to preserve. We've

29:37

seen where that vision of America takes

29:39

us division, inequality,

29:41

violence, and environmental catastrophe.

29:44

Maybe it's time that we follow the examples

29:47

of Geneva, Sea Boy, of the Sabatistas,

29:50

of the Huntershony Confederacy,

29:52

and let a new vision for our future take

29:55

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