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first guest tonight is an

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iconic actor whose career spans four

0:39

decades and is the guest I'm

0:41

looking for. Please welcome Mark

0:43

Hamill. Look at

0:46

that.

0:48

You

0:52

know, it's nice to have

0:54

you here. Oh my gosh, I'm out here

0:56

promoting a movie we're not supposed to talk

0:58

about. We don't have

1:00

to talk about it if you don't want. We don't have to talk about it

1:02

because a lot of people think of you as Luke Skywalker, but

1:05

to me, you will always be Gordon

1:07

Miller from Room Service. You

1:10

saw that. In 1986, you

1:12

were on Broadway at the Roundabout. It was off

1:14

Broadway at the Roundabout Theater. It was directed by Alan

1:16

Arkin. He had all his Second City

1:18

buddies that I had idolized for years,

1:21

Pierre

1:21

Epstein, and I just don't

1:23

want to start in. They were all just fantastic

1:26

actors. I was a senior in college and I had come to New York

1:28

to actually interview to be an intern on David

1:30

Letterman's show. And while I was here,

1:32

a friend of mine was here and said, hey, I can get us jobs as ushers

1:34

for one night for this play if you want to

1:36

go see a play. I said, sure, it'd be fun. And I walk in and you're

1:39

on stage doing the Groucho part. Hilarious.

1:41

Well, that's the thing. The critics all came to the play

1:44

assuming that I was going to play the Midwestern

1:47

innocent playwright. Golly, I've never

1:49

been in the big city before.

1:51

And instead, I was the sleazy Gordon

1:53

Miller. And

1:56

they were shocked. And plus, it didn't look

1:58

anything like me. I had my panties on.

1:59

up to here, I had a half

2:02

jar of pomade in my hair and the brilliant

2:04

teen mustache, and when you look in the mirror you go, that's

2:07

not Mark, that's Gordon Miller. So that's

2:09

what I love about character acting, and in

2:11

voiceover they cast with their

2:13

ears, not their eyes. So you get a

2:15

lot of parts that you'd never get if you were meant

2:18

to be on camera. Well, I mean, many

2:20

have said that you, of all the jokers, yours

2:23

is the greatest of all time. Oh.

2:24

No,

2:25

that's, there was a lot of just, there

2:28

was a recent ranking, there was a recent ranking,

2:30

you came in number one. I have fun.

2:33

I love the joker! Because,

2:37

I mean, to get behind the wheel of that crazy

2:39

car, I mean, you're not in every episode, but when you

2:42

show up, you just create chaos,

2:44

and it's a fantastic cast. Kevin

2:46

Conroy's been my Batman since 92, we're

2:49

celebrating our 25th year, and

2:52

I have my Batman family, I have my Star Wars

2:54

family, and I just can't

2:57

believe how much fun I'm having with

2:59

all this, you guys, I'm telling you, I never expected

3:01

that we'd come back if they did another trilogy,

3:05

that they would bring back our characters,

3:07

and it was really intimidating and scary,

3:09

but I'm really appreciating it now,

3:12

because in your 20s you sort of take it for granted,

3:16

and it's so much more enjoyable now

3:18

than I'm in my early 80s. And

3:21

that's a tip, by the way, if you're gonna fudge your age,

3:24

lie up, because people will say, boy, he

3:26

really looks good for 83. You

3:29

really took care of himself. You look great for 83.

3:31

I do, thank you. Now, can

3:34

I be in your Star Wars family? Because the 13

3:38

year old in me is going insane right

3:40

now, and please forgive,

3:43

this is 40 years coming, this conversation with

3:45

you, because, and I've told people some of this, and I don't know

3:47

if you know this, but three weeks before

3:49

this movie was released anywhere in the country, for whatever

3:52

reason, my hometown of South Carolina, Charles of South Carolina,

3:54

was a test market, and I won

3:57

tickets from WTMA, and I saw

3:59

it before anybody else. Three weeks before I

4:01

and my friends. And how do you explain that

4:04

everything's different now? Yeah. Did

4:06

you guys who were making the film, did

4:09

you know that it was going to really

4:11

change everything? Of course not.

4:14

I thought it was unique in the sense that

4:16

it had great humor. And

4:18

it had such as fantastic as all the

4:20

situation and characters were. It was so

4:23

relatable. I mean, here we risk our

4:25

lives to save the princess. The first thing she complains

4:27

about is, you came in that?

4:29

Aren't you kind of short

4:32

for a stormtrooper? All of that stuff.

4:34

I mean, that was just so relatable

4:36

and human. And

4:40

I knew it wasn't science fiction. I got

4:42

the part from a screen test. I

4:45

didn't read the whole script until they

4:47

said, you're going to be Luke. And I

4:49

still remember the chair I was sitting in

4:51

and where I was when I started reading this

4:53

thing. I got, oh my gosh, this is more

4:55

like Wizard of Oz

4:57

with a gender switch where Luke gets swept

5:00

off into this fantastic adventure. But

5:03

I just couldn't believe my eyes. Because I was

5:05

a fan as a kid. I read Famous

5:07

Monsters magazine. And I built the Monster

5:09

Model kits. I loved Ray Harryhausen and all

5:11

that stuff. I was the biggest enthusiast.

5:14

I remember I'd get really excited and go, Harrison,

5:17

we're a pen dispenser now. And he goes, whatever

5:20

floats your boat.

5:22

I

5:26

said. That's very much like him. I've

5:29

interviewed him. Yeah. Yeah. And then you

5:31

know, that's the perfect sort of,

5:33

I don't know. We just had a chemo. So

5:35

when did you know it was something special?

5:38

Listen, it was so interesting because we went

5:40

off the three of us. I called

5:42

them Harrison and Harry. And we would

5:44

get on the plane. And we went to, I think, Vancouver

5:47

first. And the movie opened while we were

5:49

on tour. And

5:52

by the time we got to Chicago,

5:54

I looked out the window as we landed. And there

5:56

were mobs of people

5:58

at the airport. At the airport. airport. And

6:01

I said, hey, you guys, I think there's somebody famous on the plane.

6:04

And I'm looking around for a celebrity. And

6:06

as we got closer, I went, Carrie,

6:08

there's a little girl out there with your furry

6:10

headphones.

6:12

And Harrison,

6:14

there's a guy with your vest. There were kids out

6:16

there with signs. May the force be with

6:18

you. They were dressed like us. And we were like,

6:20

oh. It was me. Oh.

6:26

It was kind of me. I was one of those

6:28

kids, I was one

6:29

of those kids who like at night when no one was

6:31

around, I would do this.

6:33

Thinking if I could

6:35

just concentrate enough. I still do it at supermarkets.

6:38

Really? Yeah, when the doors open. Well,

6:43

really? Yeah. Well, you know, it's one

6:45

of those things. I mean, I'm

6:48

enjoying, like I say, it's just

6:51

so wonderful to be associated

6:53

with something that makes people so happy. This

6:55

cop stopped me to say, you know how fast

6:57

you were going? I'm so scared of the cops, you

6:59

know, like the mirror glasses in psycho.

7:02

And I

7:03

said, no, officer, you know, I'm always

7:05

really polite. I'm really I'm sorry.

7:07

You try and talk yourself out. He said, well, I'm going

7:09

to let you go without a warning. And which

7:12

light saber do you use in the new movie, Green or

7:14

Blue? And you

7:16

see this 45 year old guy turn

7:18

into an eight year old right before your eyes. Yeah.

7:21

What a what a treat it's. Yeah. Yeah. So

7:23

which color light saber do you use in the movie?

7:26

I know you can't tell us anything. So tell

7:28

us

7:29

everything. In

7:31

the last movie in The Force

7:33

Awakens, like you show up at

7:35

the last minute in there. The most elaborate

7:38

entrance in the history of cinema. It's

7:41

a two and a half hour foreplay. Everybody's

7:44

talking about me for two hours. Yeah. The

7:46

sword of Skywalker is too powerful.

7:48

Skywalker must be stopped. I'm going, oh, good.

7:50

I'm running all this down.

7:52

I remember thinking when

7:54

I got to the scene, I hope everyone seen it.

7:57

But when the lightsaber jiggles in the forest

7:59

and flies.

7:59

out of the snow, I went, oh, baby,

8:02

here I am. Goes to Ray.

8:06

I'm saying she didn't even do any training.

8:08

What's going on here? What is going on there? Because

8:10

she didn't do any training. How could she possibly

8:12

stand up? Fans

8:15

point out you quit your training, young man, so

8:17

don't get so mouthey. That's

8:19

true. The thing is, there were the

8:21

originals, there were the prequels.

8:24

And this is really the next generation. Luke's

8:26

no longer the protagonist. It's Ray,

8:29

played by Daisy Ridley. Wonderful. Yeah,

8:31

and it's not my story anymore. It's just so fun

8:33

to be invited back to the party, especially

8:36

when you didn't think it was going to happen.

8:38

I know you can't clear much up for

8:40

us. But what can we

8:43

infer from the photo

8:45

I'm about to show? Have you seen this at all? So

8:48

Star Wars can sell

8:50

anything. You can sell anything with Star

8:52

Wars, including fruits and vegetables.

8:55

And if you look on

8:57

this photo of Dole products, you've

9:00

got Darth Vader on apples,

9:02

you've got Yoda on grapes, naturally green.

9:05

You've got R2-D2 on head of cauliflower,

9:08

and

9:11

Luke is on a bag of

9:14

iceberg lettuce. Does

9:17

that mean you're going back to the ice planet

9:19

of Hoth? What can

9:21

we discern from you being on iceberg

9:24

lettuce?

9:25

Well, if you go to At Hamill himself,

9:27

he said, shamelessly pandering for more

9:29

followers. You can see my

9:32

tweet about that, because I said, I

9:34

love Star Wars fruits and veggies. I

9:36

think we should all eat healthier. But

9:38

Yoda and Vader had it much

9:41

easier. Who doesn't love grapes and apples? And

9:44

Luke has it tougher, pushing salad. Well,

9:47

you got a bigger star, bigger star for salad, because you

9:49

need a bigger star. And if you're on Star

9:51

Wars, you're on R2-D2, no matter how adorable

9:53

he is on that cover, it's still cauliflower.

9:55

Yeah. I mean, the old

9:57

kid's going to be fooled by that, you know? to

10:00

be M&Ms, not cauliflower. I

10:02

think this means your character dies, and I'll tell you why. Why?

10:04

Because if you eat only iceberg lettuce, you

10:07

will die of malnutrition. It

10:09

has no nutrient and no taste. I got a lot of backlash from people

10:11

who love cauliflower, so please no more hate tweets.

10:16

There are people who hate tweet over cauliflower?

10:18

Yes. No, I'm not kidding.

10:21

They said, what's your problem? Have you ever had

10:23

it roasted with garlic? And I mean,

10:25

it's only a joke. Don't

10:29

take

10:29

me seriously. I'm just another crank

10:32

on Twitter. Listen,

10:41

if you've played the trickster

10:44

and the joker as I have for so many

10:46

years, the upside is nobody

10:48

takes anything you say seriously. And

10:50

that's a good thing, because it's liberating.

10:54

You're a jester. You're there for fun. And

10:57

I'm having so much fun, and

10:59

to me,

11:01

that's the most important thing. I'm

11:03

in the business of escapism, and

11:06

everybody wants to go to Hogwarts

11:09

or to Middle Earth or wherever,

11:13

the land of Oz or to a galaxy far, far away,

11:16

because it's therapeutic. Real life is

11:18

really unpleasant at times,

11:20

and this is a good way for

11:23

you to forget about your problems for

11:25

two hours. So in this case, this is the longest Star

11:27

Wars film. It's 2 and 1, 2 hours, which

11:29

you'll find out in about a week. Quick

11:33

question about escaping. I know. About

11:35

escaping is that do you

11:35

ever wish

11:38

that you could have seen Star Wars? I

11:41

know what you mean, because what happened was when

11:44

I knew it was George Lucas who had done American Graffiti,

11:46

and even from that one scene, I

11:48

said, oh, I can't wait to see this. I would

11:50

have been there first day, first

11:53

show, regardless of who we

11:55

were. Because again, little me totally changed what I

11:58

wanted.

11:59

from my entertainment. So many people

12:02

come to me and say, I became this or that

12:04

because of the film. People in the business, lighting

12:06

people, makeup people. There

12:09

are certain films that just inspire people

12:11

in a way that they can't explain. Has

12:14

the film done that for you? Well, what

12:16

I find more inspiring is

12:18

the reaction of the fans,

12:21

the people that love it. I mean, I

12:24

stipulate that it's not for everybody. Not everybody

12:27

loves Star Wars, but the people who do, I

12:29

call UPFs, ultra passionate

12:32

fans. And they love this thing to

12:34

the point where they relate stories

12:36

of how it got them through their mother's

12:39

illness, or they met their wife

12:41

online, or they, it's

12:43

just, it's become such a fabric

12:45

of their lives. It's

12:47

truly moving. I don't see it on

12:49

a day-to-day basis, but when I go out in public

12:52

or to these celebrations and so

12:54

forth, it's just astonishing how

12:56

passionate they really are. And I

12:58

don't take it for granted. And

13:02

if it weren't for the fans, I wouldn't be sitting

13:04

here talking to Stephen Colbert.

13:09

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13:11

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first guest tonight stars in a little indie

14:32

movie coming out tomorrow. Please

14:35

welcome from Star Wars, the

14:36

Last Jedi, Adam Driver. Good

14:44

to see you again. Good to see you. Good

14:45

to see you. I like the all black. Thanks,

14:47

yeah. It sends a subtle sinister message.

14:51

Is that purposeful? Is this the Kylo Ren

14:53

in public look?

14:54

Sure, yeah. Okay. Why

14:57

not? Why not? This

15:00

is your second Star Wars big

15:03

opening. Do you feel like more

15:05

excitement from fans this time? Is there

15:08

more hype? Is there more energy?

15:10

More anticipation? How would you compare it to last time?

15:12

Yes, but I think it's just because I'm less

15:15

in a coma. The first time it was more,

15:17

it was all a lot, but

15:19

this time I think I have time to breathe a little

15:21

bit. Oh, it was just so much last

15:23

time. You're like, I don't know. I don't know how to receive it. Yeah,

15:26

I have no barometer for what's going on. But

15:28

this time I can look around.

15:31

Do you enjoy this one more? Like this opening more than last

15:33

time? I remember it more. It's

15:37

always good. It's always good to remember things. I

15:39

think so. I mean, the first

15:40

one is always kind of special because

15:42

no one knows what it is. You never forget your first

15:45

one. Sure. Second

15:47

one's just okay. Yeah. Second

15:49

time blues. I noticed something coming out here.

15:51

I hate to point this out because it's, you're

15:53

not hiding the bottom of your shoes. Can you show them the bottom of

15:55

your shoes? Look

15:56

at that. That

16:00

is, that's super special. You could

16:02

literally go paint the town red if you just shuffled.

16:05

Did you know those were red before I showed you? No, I didn't

16:07

know I did. You did? I

16:10

swear, this is a secret Kylo Ren

16:12

outfit right here. Cause that's first

16:14

order right there. Sure. I

16:17

don't know why it said that. You have

16:19

to bleep the host now, I apologize.

16:22

You're a young man, you shouldn't be having me say the salty

16:24

talk with you. How have you been since the last

16:26

time we saw you? What was it about a year since you were on last,

16:28

right? Yeah, I think so.

16:29

Yeah, okay. Third time you've been on, thank you for being

16:32

here. Yeah. Yeah, there's something in between, but

16:34

I can't remember what it was. Something

16:36

changed about the world in the United States and stuff like

16:38

that. Sure. Not entirely sure. No,

16:40

the second thing I came for, I can't remember. First of all,

16:42

it was still a- Oh, you came for Midnight

16:45

Express. Special. Midnight

16:47

Special. Midnight Express is a

16:49

movie about people who got arrested for

16:51

smuggling opium out of hashish

16:54

out of Turkey. You weren't in that one. Same thing. You

16:57

would have been good. You would have been good. Yeah,

17:00

yeah. Mm-hmm,

17:00

yeah. Have

17:03

you seen? Upstage.

17:06

We're all being upstage. Look how shiny. Today,

17:10

I don't understand. How could you,

17:13

did you have someone carry you out here? There's

17:16

no scuff on the bottom of that or anything. I just put them on right

17:18

back there for the first time and walked so you have really clean

17:20

floors, I guess. Yeah, yeah, you

17:22

could eat off these floors. I don't recommend

17:25

it. So have you seen it? Have you

17:27

seen the new movie? What do you think, okay?

17:29

It's really good. I mean, I'm not just saying

17:31

that because I'm in it, but what

17:34

Ryan has done and what the actors are doing in

17:36

Special Effects sound is a really big, not

17:38

like sound is a big thing. Oh, this is a talkie. Yeah,

17:41

right. Everybody's

17:43

speaking in this one and you can hear them. It's

17:46

really great. All around, it's really

17:48

great. Well, I'm really looking forward to it. Now, here's

17:51

the thing.

17:52

We could not get a clip

17:55

of this. Always, like when you

17:57

have somebody come on for a movie, there's a clip. Sure.

18:00

And we, you know, Mark was on, and

18:02

he didn't bring a clip, and you didn't bring a clip. But

18:05

I brought these. Yes, you did. Could

18:08

you help me? Could we act out a clip? Would

18:10

you? Would you? I have, I

18:13

thought maybe we could make our own clip here.

18:17

Would you want to be like this? Sure.

18:19

Sure. Would you like to close up on this? Would

18:21

you like to close up on here?

18:24

OK. Where are you, Kylo

18:26

Ren?

18:27

Here I am. OK.

18:32

Can you believe who my parents

18:34

turned out to be? Wasn't

18:36

it shocking? No, I

18:38

got to go to the bathroom. I'll

18:43

wait.

18:45

I'm done. You

18:48

left your on

18:51

three. Let's say who

18:54

my parents were. One, two,

18:56

three. Stephen Colbert.

18:58

Yeah.

19:01

Yeah.

19:07

And

19:09

it goes in the thing, and it takes a nap. OK.

19:13

And use the force. Right.

19:17

Thank

19:19

you. Do

19:22

you like playing evil? Well,

19:24

I mean, like, yeah. But

19:28

I don't, I mean, this is such an actory thing to say. I

19:30

don't think of him as evil. I think of him as

19:34

someone who thinks he's right, as opposed

19:36

to someone who thinks he's evil. Don't

19:38

all evil people think they're right? Sure,

19:41

but I don't think that they think they're evil. I think they're

19:43

right.

19:44

They think that what they're doing is morally

19:46

justified. So there's no end

19:49

to what they'll do to make sure whatever agenda

19:51

they have is being pushed, I think, in my experience.

19:53

Someone who's just evil, or

19:56

for the sake of it, that

19:58

doesn't seem to have a.

19:59

a shelf life to me. People who I

20:02

find evil or unpredictable or

20:04

scary are always just,

20:06

yeah, they think they're right. They feel like they're

20:08

morally justified to do what they're doing,

20:10

and they're incapable of hearing the other side. And

20:14

people who think that they may

20:17

not be morally justified

20:19

often turn out to be good people because at least

20:21

they examine their conscience. Sure.

20:24

Yeah. If you make time for it, if you don't, for

20:27

whatever reason, then. It's

20:29

a busy time of year, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

20:32

Yeah. Are you, do you think

20:34

you're, do you ever consider, do you consider yourself the hero

20:37

of your own story? Sure, I think he

20:39

does, yeah.

20:40

I mean, you, me and life? No, no, no,

20:42

no. Really? Yeah, I feel like I'm barely hanging

20:44

on. Yeah. I

20:48

feel you.

20:50

I feel you. Yeah. I

20:53

understand you used to be a salesman. Oh,

20:56

oh yeah, yeah, I was. What did you sell? I

20:58

sold vacuum cleaners. Curb, well,

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I can't, can I say the name of the? Sure, why not? Curby

21:03

vacuum cleaners. Curby? Quality.

21:06

Yeah. Not so much.

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But

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maybe I can't say.

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You're quite a salesman. Yeah, I didn't sell any.

21:16

So, that was a door to door? Yeah, oh yeah. Oh,

21:18

no way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Knock, knock, madam, let

21:21

me put some dust on your carpet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like

21:23

these are the tubes that the astronauts are

21:25

using that has no Velcro,

21:27

or you know, when were you selling

21:30

these during the Nixon administration? Ma'am,

21:33

let me introduce you to a product called Tang. So

21:37

really, you go, how long did you do this? I did, well,

21:39

I sold a couple of them. And that, not very

21:41

long, like six months. It was in like

21:43

right after

21:44

high school before I was in the military,

21:46

where I would sell vacuum cleaners, and then I

21:48

was a telemarketer. Well, were you telemarketing?

21:50

A couple of things. One was for a basement

21:53

waterproofing company, where you call

21:55

people and say, you know, is

21:57

your basement leaky?

21:59

We have somebody that'll

22:02

come by and check it out and make it not so damp.

22:06

It all sounds sexual now that I say it out loud.

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I wasn't good at that job either. And I've got a hose I

22:11

could connect to it. Sure, sure. Then

22:13

there's another, there's another, I don't know if

22:15

I can, I'll just say it. Ben Franklin

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Construction was the name. I don't know if it's around anymore. Quality.

22:21

And it was me and this other guy

22:23

who

22:24

was a really angry guy who would always,

22:26

we'd like sell, what was it,

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like it's a construction company. And so we'd call

22:31

and

22:31

offer construction. I don't remember that very

22:33

well. You would just say, would

22:36

you like something constructed? It

22:39

was more, we had like one of these where you're supposed to go

22:41

down. All the cards you had to go down. Yeah, not so

22:43

much the figure thing, but yeah.

22:45

But it would, you know, you'd go down the checklist and you'd

22:47

always ask to speak to the man of the house, which was

22:49

kind of terrible. Yeah, sure.

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It wasn't me. I didn't like that.

22:57

We got them back. Yeah. And yeah, that's

23:00

all I remembered. I would work those kind of three jobs

23:02

on a rotation. I worked the, you know,

23:05

the Kirby vacuum thing whenever I could.

23:07

And then I'd work in the morning for the waterproofing

23:11

company. And then that night I'd work at the Ben

23:13

Franklin Construction because I had no job. I

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wasn't going to college. You know, these things were

23:17

paying like minimum wage. Wow. Yeah. So I was working

23:20

basically 24 hours a day. Did that help? Can

23:22

you translate any of that into acting?

23:25

Like the following a script and? Yeah,

23:28

but mostly this is the failure aspect of

23:30

it, you know? Put

23:32

yourself out there, just shot down. Yeah.

23:35

But sure. I mean, like the

23:37

repetition of it, the improvising,

23:40

but not so much, mostly failure. Well,

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I have no doubt that this

23:46

next one will not be a failure for you. Thank

23:48

you so much for being here. Thank

23:49

you so much. I'm

23:52

going to love it. I love this. Thank

23:54

you very much. Thank

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