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rescue mission turned recovery operation. The lead

0:45

starts right now. Investigators

0:48

all day aboard the ship responsible

0:50

for that catastrophic bridge collapse in

0:52

Baltimore, interviewing the crew, doing inspections

0:54

as the families of six bridge

0:56

workers hold out hope remains will

0:58

be recovered this hour. Transportation Secretary

1:00

Pete Buttigieg, plus the head of

1:03

the Army Corps of Engineers on

1:05

the enormous effect to clear all

1:07

that mangled metal and reopen this

1:09

major East Coast shipping port. Also

1:11

on the lead, seen in St. John King,

1:14

all over the map, this time in the

1:16

battleground and border state of Arizona, how voters

1:18

there feel about President Biden, first Donald Trump,

1:20

as the November election creeps closer on

1:22

the calendar and the shocking

1:25

and very legal discovery hidden

1:27

in crates of avocados. Welcome

1:33

to the lead. I'm Phil Mattingly in

1:35

for Jake Tapper, and we begin with

1:38

that ongoing search and recovery effort in

1:40

Baltimore. Divers battling cold, choppy waters to

1:42

find the bodies of all six people

1:44

who are presumed dead after a cargo

1:46

ship hit and destroyed the Francis Scott

1:48

Key Bridge. Today, CNN is learning more

1:50

about the victims. So far we have

1:52

photos of three of them, all six,

1:54

were working construction on the night of

1:56

the collapse. Their company, Bronner Builders, saying

1:58

they were, quote, hard work. working, wonderful

2:00

people, and now they're gone. That

2:02

company is in the process of putting

2:04

together compensation packages for those devastated

2:07

families. We are also learning

2:09

more about the investigation into how a

2:11

standard journey for the Dali Cargo ship

2:13

turned into disaster. We know that just

2:15

minutes before impact, the ship blacked out.

2:18

In fact, a port worker claims the

2:20

ship had, quote, severe electrical problems while

2:22

docked just two days before it crashed

2:24

into the bridge. In moments, I'll ask

2:26

Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg about that reporting.

2:29

Police have also recovered the ship's data recorder,

2:31

or black box, which could shed more light

2:34

on what went wrong and why. CNN's Brian

2:36

Todd leads us off with the latest on

2:38

the investigation and what we know about the

2:40

victims. Investigators

2:43

say they're going to examine a play-by-play

2:45

breakdown of the moments before a fully

2:47

loaded cargo ship rammed into the Francis

2:50

Scott Key Bridge, killing six people. A

2:52

key piece of evidence, the ship's data

2:54

recorder. We sent that back to our

2:56

lab to evaluate and begin to develop a

2:58

timeline of events that led up to the

3:01

strike on the bridge. National Transportation

3:03

Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy says they'll

3:05

use that data in addition to interviews

3:07

with witnesses. Julie Mitchell works at the

3:09

port. She told CNN affiliate ITN that

3:11

the cargo ship, seen here with its

3:14

lights flickering off moments before the crash,

3:16

was in port for two days. It

3:18

was just some power failures left and

3:20

right. So whenever it

3:22

left port, some of

3:24

us feel like it should have left when it was daylight

3:26

so they could take care and see what issues

3:29

they were having, too. CNN reached out

3:31

to the ship's operator, Synergy Group, for

3:33

response. We haven't heard back. Transportation

3:36

Secretary Pete Buttigieg doesn't expect the

3:38

investigation will change bridge or ship

3:40

design moving forward. Bridge like this

3:42

one, completed in the 1970s, was

3:44

simply not made to withstand a

3:46

direct impact on a critical support

3:49

pier from a vessel that weighs

3:51

about 200 million pounds. Despite

3:53

what Buttigieg says, structural experts like

3:55

Timothy Galarnik say this was all

3:58

avoidable. had

4:00

peer protection. Dolphins or

4:03

peer protections are

4:05

cylindrical structures that are

4:07

constructed in the navigable

4:10

channel upstream and

4:12

downstream from the main piers.

4:15

They are designed intended to be

4:17

struck. At this moment, Buttigieg says

4:19

the major focus is reopening the

4:21

port. We are concerned about the

4:23

local economic impact with some 8,000

4:26

jobs directly associated with port activities. But

4:29

Homendy says the investigation will look at

4:31

what could have kept the bridge from

4:33

coming down. We will look at areas

4:36

that should have been

4:38

in place to prevent this type

4:41

of destruction from

4:43

occurring. The six workers who were killed

4:45

were on the bridge filling potholes at

4:47

the time, including Dorlian Castillo Cabrera from

4:50

Guatemala, who has been working in the

4:52

area for three years and loved his

4:54

job, and 38-year-old Maynor Sandoval from Honduras,

4:56

a father of two. His brother told

4:59

CNN he loved his family. He was

5:01

a loving guy, a happy guy, a

5:03

guy with vision. So far, no bodies

5:06

have been found, but divers are still

5:08

doing dangerous recovery work around the wreckage.

5:10

If those bodies are entrapped in

5:13

the physical structure, what has

5:15

to happen is pieces of

5:17

metal and steel and cement have got to

5:19

be moved. Diver could be dead in a

5:21

matter of seconds and he wouldn't even know

5:23

it. Buttigieg says cleanup crews are working to

5:25

clear out the hundreds of millions of tons

5:27

of wreckage so shipping can resume and the

5:30

bridge can be rebuilt. We know that it

5:32

can't happen overnight and so we're going to

5:34

have to manage the impacts in the meantime.

5:39

Federal officials now say there are 10 ships

5:42

in addition to the Dali that are

5:44

now stuck inside the port of Baltimore.

5:46

They include three bulk carriers, an oil

5:48

and chemical tanker, and a vehicle carrier.

5:51

Officials a short time ago also said

5:53

that all 22 crew members of the

5:55

Dali are still on board the ship

5:57

and are cooperating with investigators. Phil? Breitbart

6:00

Force on the same as Turn. Now

6:02

to Cnn's Tom Four Minutes and Trump's

6:04

you're learning more about how the ship

6:06

size may have contributed to the stress.

6:09

Your fill of brine led into

6:11

this perfectly. While public officials are

6:13

now calling this an accident, some

6:15

engineers are indeed suggesting it may

6:17

have been an accident almost sixty

6:19

years in the making. For. Two

6:22

key reasons: First, the size of

6:24

the ship much of our coverage as

6:26

noted, that the dollies longer than three

6:28

football fields and carries tens of thousands

6:31

of tons of weight. But such monster

6:33

ships. Are. A product of

6:35

just the last couple of decades

6:37

when the Key Bridge was built.

6:40

In nineteen, seventy seven opened up them.

6:42

big cargo ships were generally only big

6:44

enough to handle. Up to

6:46

twenty five hundred shipping containers

6:49

each about twenty feet long.

6:51

Then as worldwide trade blossomed

6:53

and electronics, appliances, furniture, cars

6:55

and other consumer items the

6:57

size of cargo ships exploded,

7:00

bigger, much more powerful heavier

7:02

today's some can carry. End

7:04

times: As. Much as I used

7:06

to carry, the Dali fit somewhere in

7:08

the middle here, toward the higher end,

7:11

and some engineers believe dozens, maybe hundreds

7:13

of bridges. Under which the

7:15

ship's pass over the country have

7:17

not been kept up with that

7:19

technology Well many believe these safety

7:22

experts were talking about said there

7:24

should be senders of some sort

7:26

protective barriers of concrete or steal

7:28

like which received over here around

7:30

this something that will deflect or

7:32

defuse the impact on structures like

7:35

Key Bridge Now. To. Whether or

7:37

not they would actually stop things here if

7:39

they came in and if there were a

7:41

bigger protection down around here. On the bottom

7:43

of to question her as we noted, does

7:45

Secretary Buddha Judge says he doesn't think that

7:47

any bridge could have withstood this correct impact.

7:49

I'm sure field you're going to ask him

7:51

about that in a few minutes. with the

7:53

bottom line is that what a big rallying

7:55

cry as right now to say maybe. this

7:57

bridge could have withstood this impact

8:00

but it didn't really have a chance. You

8:02

know what I'm talking about? First off, the

8:04

pictures in it, it seems crazy to say this, almost don't even get

8:06

to do it justice. You see it in

8:08

person, the scale, the enormity of this ship, and

8:11

what transpired after that contact is

8:14

remarkable. But there's an irony

8:16

here in that consumer demand is what, I

8:18

think, drove the growth of these enormous ships,

8:21

because beyond the immediate human cost of this accident, consumers

8:23

are almost certainly, at least as a second order of

8:25

effect, going to have to pay because of this, right?

8:28

So many consumer goods passed

8:30

through this port, including

8:33

last year 850,000 vehicles,

8:35

cars, light trucks, and so on. If

8:40

this harbor is not reopened

8:42

quickly, the shock of this accident

8:44

could ripple all across the country. Perhaps

8:47

most of all, if you're out there expecting

8:49

to buy a new car anytime soon. Bill?

8:52

Alright, Tom Foreman for us, thank you as always. More

8:54

than 1,000 U.S. Army Corps of Engineer personnel

8:57

now activated to help in the aftermath of

8:59

Baltimore's bridge collapse, a main part of their

9:01

mission, to clear the shipping channel, a critical

9:03

shipping channel at that. With us now to

9:05

discuss all this U.S. Army Corps of Engineers

9:07

commander and chief of engineers, Lieutenant

9:09

General Scott Spellman, we appreciate your time. I

9:12

know there is an enormous amount on

9:14

your plate and the plate of your team right now. Just

9:17

can you explain to people how

9:19

big of an issue this is, the undertaking you

9:21

guys are currently experiencing? Bill, thanks, first of all,

9:23

for having us on the program. On behalf of

9:25

the 38,000 men and women in the Army Corps

9:27

of Engineers, our hearts go out to those who

9:30

have lost loved ones in this terrible accident. As

9:33

Governor Moore said yesterday, John number one is

9:35

returning those loved ones back to their families.

9:37

As the president said, our role in

9:39

the recovery from this tragedy is reopening this

9:41

ship channel, and your team of graphics has

9:43

showed it very well to your viewers. We're

9:46

going to go about this in three steps. The

9:48

first is to get the steel truss out of

9:50

a 700-foot wide by 50-foot

9:53

deep channel. Out

9:55

there on site yesterday, we're back in D.C. today,

9:57

lining up some additional resources that we need. We're

10:00

going to cut those members out

10:03

of that 700-foot channel, and then we're going to

10:05

look at the bottom and see what concrete members

10:07

are down below. When these ships come into Baltimore

10:09

Harbor, there's anywhere between a foot and a foot

10:11

of clearance from the bottom. So any piece of

10:13

concrete, any piece of steel on the bottom is

10:15

just as much of the hazard as that in

10:17

the channel. So that's step one. That's

10:19

going to allow us to get one-way traffic going in and out of the

10:21

port of Baltimore again. The second, we'll

10:23

work very, very closely with the Coast Guard. We've

10:25

got that ship right now is just on the

10:28

lip of the channel. There

10:30

are containers on top of the vessels that

10:32

need to be stabilized. That work will be

10:34

done and supervised by the Coast Guard. We've

10:36

got to lift that truss bridge that's overlaid

10:38

over the top of that vessel, get that

10:41

off so it can be tugged to

10:43

a safe part of the port. That will allow, by

10:45

removing the vessel, that will allow us to reopen to

10:47

two-way traffic. Then, of course, our third step would be

10:49

to take out the remaining 2,900 feet of steel and

10:53

all the associated concrete and roadway that's at the

10:55

river bottom. We're up to this task. We have

10:57

all that we need. To be very

10:59

clear, I don't think anybody questions that at all. It

11:01

was interesting, the Secretary of Transportation

11:03

earlier today speaking at the White House said

11:05

that you guys have been aggressive in getting

11:08

resources and going after resources for what you're going to need. I

11:11

think Sonar has been activated trying to get a full

11:13

sense of the picture there. But what you're describing

11:15

sounds like an enormous undertaking. Do you have any

11:17

sense of how long that would take? We'll know

11:19

more in the next couple of days on duration.

11:22

What you don't see on the

11:24

footage is what's underneath the water

11:26

and the conditions that these divers

11:28

will be working in. A lot

11:30

of sharp, razor-sharp steel that can

11:32

be lethal to our divers and

11:34

certainly their equipment. We have

11:37

a lot of underwater technology and cameras at

11:39

work right now just outlining the

11:41

work ahead. We've got to figure out how we're going

11:43

to cut those members, how we're going to lift them out of

11:45

the channel safely. I

11:47

know that you guys are looking forward, and this isn't

11:49

as much of a look-back responsibility at this point, but

11:52

when you look, given your guys' expertise, when you look

11:54

at what happened from the crash

11:56

to just how quickly the bridge collapsed, do

11:59

you feel like there was anything that could have been done

12:01

in terms of the design that would have prevented

12:03

something like this. So I'm today responsible for maintaining

12:05

577 federal

12:08

navigation channels across 1200 ports in

12:11

the United States. This is one of

12:13

them. I think as the National Transportation

12:15

Safety Board continues their investigation, we're gonna

12:17

learn things that we should consider doing

12:20

differently in the years ahead. What do

12:22

you draw on in terms of past experiences

12:24

or past efforts that you've been involved with

12:26

that you can utilize here? Yeah, this is

12:28

a very delicate operation for us. Obviously we're

12:30

dealing with the loss of loved ones and

12:32

it's not lost on us that we're dealing

12:34

with a very similar situation. There have been

12:36

for months now in the ongoing wildfire recovery

12:38

on the island of Maui. Very

12:41

similar circumstances. We wanna be sensitive to

12:44

those families, but lean ahead in all

12:46

the hours that we have to

12:48

lean ahead for the important work that we have ahead

12:50

of us. You mentioned the divers, the conditions right now.

12:52

Obviously it's been raining in the area, cold

12:55

waters, choppy waters. How

12:57

does that complicate this process? Yeah, so we've

12:59

all seen steel construction going up, a multi-story

13:01

steel construction. And if you're familiar with that,

13:03

it's very methodical. It goes up member by

13:06

member, but now we're dealing

13:08

with a five-story structure that's below water,

13:10

right? So very, very dark. You've mentioned

13:12

cold and these are not

13:14

clean members. So a lot of jagged steel

13:16

below us, a lot of twisted rebar and

13:18

heavy concrete, they're gonna be working amongst all

13:20

of that. Very, very dangerous conditions. Yeah, we're

13:23

certainly thinking about you and your personnel as

13:25

you go through what is a significant

13:27

undertaking. Lieutenant General Scott Spelman, we appreciate your time, sir.

13:29

Thank you very much. Thank you. And

13:31

up next, the most pressing issue for

13:33

the Biden administration as the Ford operation

13:35

continues. I'll ask Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg

13:37

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calls it a breakthrough treatment needed for

13:48

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We are back with the latest international

14:34

leave the devastating bridge collapse in Baltimore

14:36

right now. The wreckage still blocks a

14:38

key channel into Baltimore's normally very busy

14:40

ports and is no specific timeline for

14:43

to reopen. This. Impact supply chains

14:45

tens of thousands of workers ultimately.

14:47

Family's. Livelihood. That means the entire

14:49

city of Baltimore will remain under

14:51

a state of emergency for the

14:54

foreseeable future. And

14:56

the turns out of Sector of Transportation

14:58

p Buddha's is mister Sector. We appreciate

15:01

your time for savers busy time for

15:03

you. When you were in Baltimore yesterday

15:05

we were up there as well as

15:07

suits and constellation of federal state local

15:09

officials and entities that are now hard

15:11

at work When you look forward when

15:13

you feel like is the biggest issue

15:15

a deity is dealing with right now

15:17

for I was very impressed with the

15:19

coordination that I saw state County how

15:21

of Federal or we saw the Army

15:23

Corps of Engineers Coastguard as he has.

15:26

See. That we just mentioned, so many different

15:28

players are working together. From a transportation

15:30

department perspective, it really comes down to

15:32

four. Thanks. I guess average back up.

15:34

I have Maryland's in their work to

15:36

do that or us number one number

15:38

too hot. In the meantime, make sure

15:40

that said, the traffic impact can be

15:42

dealt with number three, the support back

15:44

open a number four. In the meantime,

15:46

make sure that the supply chain of

15:48

has can be dealt with and without

15:51

work underway on all of those are

15:53

Just moments ago we received an emergency

15:55

relief fund and requests. From the state of

15:57

Maryland Us the first are some of the possible for us

15:59

to the. funds to help them

16:01

in their rebuilding efforts. Also this afternoon,

16:03

our Federal Highways team is working with

16:06

them to start looking at design and

16:08

procurement. Meanwhile, on the port front, that's

16:10

really the most acute short-term concern, especially

16:12

for the workers who are impacted. About

16:15

$2 million a day in wages depend

16:18

on the work that goes on in

16:20

that port. And while it is not

16:22

the largest container port in the U.S.,

16:24

it is the busiest vehicle port. And

16:26

getting cargos diverted to other ports up

16:28

and down the eastern seaboard will be

16:30

possible, but it will not be simple.

16:32

I'll be convening different players across the

16:34

shipping sector and supply chains tomorrow to

16:36

try to get a better sense of

16:38

their data, their plans, and their concerns,

16:40

and how we can help them.

16:43

Your point about it not being simple is actually one that

16:45

I wanted to ask you about. These ports,

16:47

are they prepared? Are they capable

16:49

of taking the incoming loads that

16:51

will be headed their way now? Are there things that they're

16:53

going to need to do to change their operations

16:56

in order to deal with that? We

16:59

are getting early indications that would suggest

17:01

that many of them have some additional

17:03

capacity that they could surge to

17:06

absorb and accommodate the cargo that's

17:08

being diverted, but it really shifts

17:10

from one type of cargo to

17:12

another. Containers are pretty standardized, but

17:14

this is actually an important port

17:17

for sugar shipments. There are not a lot

17:19

of terminals that can take sugar, so

17:21

we're looking at what alternatives there are there.

17:23

So it's really going to vary product by

17:25

product. Those are exactly the kind of issues

17:27

that our new multimodal freight office is

17:30

dealing with. This is an office that was

17:32

actually yet another thing created by

17:34

President Biden's infrastructure law. It's not a

17:36

piece of physical infrastructure, it's

17:39

a piece of administrative infrastructure that can help

17:41

us better coordinate those players. It's coming in

17:43

really handy at a time like this. You

17:46

mentioned the types of cargo that goes in and out

17:48

of this port. There, I think, are 4,700

17:50

cargo containers on the Dali. There are ships

17:52

that are still in port right now until

17:54

it reopens. Are those goods all going to

17:57

be recovered and transferred out, or are some

17:59

of them lost? The simpler. I

18:01

can see through these goods that are on

18:03

the ship itself. As for the rest,

18:05

there were a number of ships that are

18:08

were inside other the port or inside

18:10

of the bridge as that happened and they're

18:12

not going anywhere until that channel can

18:14

safely be clear. So the task is and

18:16

to offload that cargo transferred overland, get

18:18

it to another court. As you can imagine

18:20

a complicated operation the ones as well

18:22

underway Right now, you mention that the first

18:25

requests had come in just over the

18:27

course into the last couple of hours. Madison

18:29

is. there are parts of money. The Dc

18:31

has access to that they can tap into pretty

18:34

quickly. How quickly will the Federal government be able

18:36

to respond and start deploying some of them on.

18:39

My session is to get his first

18:41

requested process immediately and starts those dollars

18:43

flowing even a nice earliest days or

18:45

their senses the can be associated with

18:48

the design planning engineering. Other things you

18:50

need to go are instigating the average

18:52

restored and we will make sure as.

18:54

The president has directed sets

18:56

of financing and administrative. Issues

18:59

are not a barrier for getting that done

19:01

quickly. Me: do I have resources sensitive to

19:03

work right away? If we need more we

19:05

will the first congress and was a know

19:07

what we think is needed to that point

19:09

about Bears you have a sense of regulations

19:12

that you will need to try and seen

19:14

bypass or go around in order to speed

19:16

up the process. Saw A to tell you

19:18

the So we're not going to allow red

19:20

tape to present any unnecessary barrier for getting

19:22

this done. This is federal tax payer money.

19:25

Obviously it has to be spent within some

19:27

massive very strict or our checks. Balances and

19:29

position to make sure that it has spent well. but

19:31

we're not going to wow that to be something the

19:33

slows down the process was going to hurry up and

19:35

get it right the first time. In

19:37

terms of cost Us Secretary of Treasury jedi

19:39

on earlier today she believes that at least

19:41

in part insurance would be utilized here to

19:43

cover some of this financing presents a yes

19:46

or a federal government cover. Everything you have

19:48

any sense right now as if insurance famous

19:50

will be coming. worse is in the weeks

19:52

and months ahead or if you are sex,

19:54

there's going to find us on this. Well,

19:56

it's too soon to see what all of

19:59

this liability. There will be, although that's

20:01

another piece of what's the second, the investigations

20:03

that law enforcement and and here he are

20:05

pursuing right now. What I will say is

20:08

of course any private party that bears responsibility,

20:10

he and his accountable or will have to

20:12

be held liable. We just can't wait for

20:14

that process to play out to get the

20:17

sun's out that are going to get his

20:19

fridge back up in court reopened. So what

20:21

you know course I will respect to that

20:23

kind of accountability when the time com. But

20:25

in the meantime we're going to make sure

20:28

that those federal resources also together of. Friends

20:30

are so that nothing unnecessarily delays the roadway

20:32

back to normal. Workers are counting on as

20:34

he blew our depend on his shipments when

20:36

they realize it or not they're counting on

20:38

it and about thirty thousand vehicle the say

20:41

to go over that bridge or they're counting

20:43

on us doing everything in our power to

20:45

get them back to normal. It will not

20:47

be quick and and will not be easy

20:49

of over committed to do it as long

20:51

as effects yes the Hague A critical points

20:53

on all the thrusters Curse Transportation Secretary He

20:55

put his his psyche surfers on. And

21:01

upon sixteen and seventeen, while he's been all

21:03

over the map, Hear what voters in Arizona

21:05

are telling him about the Twenty Twenty Four

21:07

matchup between present Been and Donald Trump and

21:10

what's driving decisions in this border and battleground?

21:12

Say this next. Quarterback

21:17

in our twenty twenty four lead. Here's the

21:20

headlines you may have seen about the border

21:22

over the past week of a political system

21:24

failed to solve the border crisis more than

21:27

one hundred migrants breakthrough razor wire, not down

21:29

guards as the illegally cross El Paso border

21:31

in while seen. Biden. Administration

21:33

accused of ignoring the border crisis

21:35

real life threats. These are the

21:37

national takes about what border states

21:39

face, but people who actually live

21:41

near the border feel are John

21:44

King with Arizona and ask them.

21:47

Again, was veteran Melissa Core Darrow

21:49

voted for Trump or twenty Twenty.

21:51

I was a small business owner at

21:53

the time, put era work for a

21:56

conservation nonprofit now and will not vote

21:58

for Trump again. Reproductive Rights. You

22:00

know, as someone who. Weighs

22:03

a brief. Sexually assaulted. I

22:05

had the the up to

22:07

make that decision on terminating

22:09

a pregnancy. I

22:11

can imagine in future use the com that

22:14

happens to me again or to somebody else

22:16

them not having that's. Likely biden, but

22:18

courtier will study third party options.

22:21

You know, my biggest my biggest issue

22:23

of Biden is that the palisades assume

22:26

that you know you fight for clear

22:28

trans by pods immigrant. Access

22:30

to Go. Veteran. Been

22:32

deported. Access for veterans of a while

22:34

there has received you know then also

22:36

used to sit care of before getting

22:39

sober. At. That at that rate. Ray

22:41

Flores is no fan of Biden or

22:43

Trump thinks both are tool to be

22:46

President's at this juncture. they both had

22:48

for years and I'm just eight years.

22:50

More frustrating than I was before. more

22:53

as one cel. Charles the family business

22:55

for a hundred and two years, Tucson

22:57

landmark famous for Connie sector and the

22:59

city Kansas. What he says: immigration paralysis

23:02

hurts business minister process for working with

23:04

the amazing you've your technology company in

23:06

getting into near you give them integrated

23:08

and think it's a work visa. Why

23:11

should I be? Or do that with a show? Or

23:13

with a really good waiter. The

23:15

immigration conversations has to be difference

23:17

in places at or near the border.

23:19

More polite, more nuanced, focused on solutions

23:21

not slogans. The hello it's a unique

23:24

situation where you have to countries that

23:26

create a community and actually from issue

23:28

he beneficial for both countries. Walk through

23:31

the Nogales border crossing in the

23:33

first business you see is Quarries Bridal

23:35

shop. Of in Korea is

23:37

fine with the wall, but didn't like it

23:39

when Trump added the razor wire. He bristles

23:42

when the former president talks about the border

23:44

and Mexicans. We've. Always depended on

23:46

on our Mexican neighbors to support

23:49

our local economy. The

23:53

Giants jersey now from New York and

23:55

the decade. I came down to

23:57

D C. Usually weeds in your office and talk

23:59

about the. Details of what you picked up. you

24:01

ran away to New York so damn it I'm gonna

24:03

do it anyway. Our lives, health of the city it's

24:05

I've always struck by your pieces about the difference to

24:07

the contrast between where voters on the ground. Think.

24:10

And say vs maybe what's be reporter

24:12

a national level on this issue specifically.

24:14

Why? Do you think there is very different national

24:17

perception than what you seem to be hearing? From.

24:19

The people on the ground. Or because a lot

24:21

of the people doing the yelling on this issue

24:23

or don't spend enough time with the people who

24:26

actually live it every day. I sister fact of

24:28

life. Ah look, Evan Korea decides the and the

24:30

peace there. He's a democrat, he's a Biden voter,

24:32

but he's also somebody whose families had a business

24:34

for seventy seven years. steps from the Mexican border.

24:37

Ask him his favorite restaurant. Okay, it's a foot

24:39

few blocks away in Mexico, you go through the

24:41

border speed people are used to going back and

24:43

forth day to day. The Americans and the Mexicans

24:46

who either live and sometimes work in the United

24:48

States are just come to the United States to

24:50

buy. A wedding dress right up the street from

24:52

Korea is David West of where it's herpes a

24:54

Republican David More he makes his amazing him a

24:57

cowboy boots I'll get your per why go back

24:59

to visit and fell off season republicans his months

25:01

from Mexico So when he hears Trump say immigrants

25:03

poison our blood it's is hippies repulsed by it's

25:06

by itself looks. They say it's a crisis. they

25:08

want more as Evan Korea, a democrat wants more

25:10

border patrol. He doesn't mind the wall, he just

25:12

hates the razor wire. He thinks it's just ridiculous

25:14

looking at on the American side. So what good

25:17

does it do? Business is bad to look at

25:19

the window but they say crisis. They want

25:21

help, They want more border patrol. but they

25:23

just say the rhetoric they hear from both

25:25

liberals and Trump. Or. As alarmist at

25:27

if you say you know know border patrol their

25:29

mean people. As a know we need that help.

25:32

It's basically so they want people have adult conversations

25:34

and good to a rooms and figure it out

25:36

and they'd love to give them advice. they just

25:38

say they don't come. Yeah. A wildly

25:40

divergent from the. Political. Messaging

25:42

versus the actual policies assessor. this point it's

25:44

run around a little bit of we've We

25:46

both cover the White House at the very

25:48

tiny Bruce have the scars probably to show

25:51

for my time there when you look at

25:53

the current inhabitant of the White House pulls

25:55

right Now see, the elections can be incredibly

25:57

close. So close Former President Obama is warning

25:59

close. It's an all hands on

26:01

deck moment for Democrats Tomorrow present by

26:03

will join forces with Obama for present

26:05

Brooklyn for fundraising events Radio City Music

26:07

Hall whole. Do you think Biden? It

26:09

is kind of the critical surrogates the

26:11

have preferred Obama is the critical surrogate

26:13

provide and particularly with the sub groups

26:15

of the Democratic Coalition that seem to

26:17

be soft right now for you make

26:20

a key point at the end, their

26:22

subgroups subgroup. So that's why the former

26:24

President is correct in saying it's an

26:26

all hands on deck moment. Now if

26:28

you're twenty five now, you were What.

26:31

Fifteen sixteen when Obama left office or seventeen or

26:33

eighteen when Obama tops of and seven half years

26:35

since he left. So Joe Biden you'd from with

26:37

young voters. they used to be a big party

26:40

Obama Coalition the youngest voters now don't really remember

26:42

Barack Obama, but can he help? Of course he

26:44

can't stay. As energy as a campaigner could put

26:46

people in a room and our travels for the

26:48

things we have noticed dramatically is that's our job,

26:51

has a. Enthusiasm. Problem among

26:53

African American cel: Barack Obama has historic black turnout

26:55

in two thousand and eight actually dropped a little

26:57

bits and twenty twelve, but there's no question he

26:59

can help out with black Americans in the Democratic

27:01

base who are disillusioned. Some some of it's personal

27:03

to biden. some of us just were exhausted from

27:06

cove it and then came in place since we

27:08

don't see Washington doing anything that helps us. So

27:10

I brewed the all hands on deck. How much

27:12

can Obama himself bring in your to in my

27:14

travels fill? You probably heard this when you traveled

27:16

to have a lot of democrats say we prefer

27:19

with will take them but we prefer myself. Yes

27:22

are always viewed. I think over the course

27:24

the last couple cycles is the real most

27:26

valuable surrogates are uninterested Else I think he

27:28

referred yourself as a twenty year old by

27:30

is so like you were saying that at

27:32

least to some degree. which seems right back

27:34

since you know when in your travels become

27:36

so clear how many people don't want this

27:38

rematch that they're getting. whether they like it

27:40

or not or whatever is necessary says otherwise.

27:42

We just sort of voter who spoke to

27:44

in Arizona say that they look at the

27:46

third parties. One man in Texas so frustrated

27:48

his legally changed his name to quote literally

27:50

anybody else. But and in the city's running

27:53

for president would probably do pretty well in

27:55

polls are obviously literally. anybody else probably isn't

27:57

going to be the next preserve with us.

28:00

Parties right now. The the numbers and we're time

28:02

of this book of weeks ago. You're looking to

28:04

the swing states, this er, sticky numbers and their

28:06

lasting a lot longer. I think people expected. Are

28:09

there are several states if you look at twenty

28:11

sixteen to twenty twenty were history has told us.

28:13

Other mean it'll plantoid forty four. But it's really

28:15

hard for Donald Trump to get the fifty percent.

28:17

Ah, if you look at all that all the

28:19

data available to you there's not majority support. the

28:21

Trump ism, but he could get forty six and

28:23

he can get forty seven and we know we

28:25

can get to forty eight. It's of the third

28:27

party candidates are drawing the votes. Ask Hillary Clinton

28:30

about Michigan, Wisconsin, and Twenty sixteenth or they can

28:32

have an impact. That was interesting today. Adults from

28:34

put out a say that about Robert Kennedy Jr.

28:36

At the end he said i'm glad he's running

28:38

at the. Beginning he attacked him or so

28:40

he tells a Tell ya most people think

28:42

Kennedy hurts Biden Five Talk to voters. Vote

28:44

for Trump. Enjoy! sixty who like Kennedy. So

28:46

I think both county to try to say

28:48

no. The third party candidates could have a

28:50

big impact in there trying to figure out

28:52

just how and just where it will vary

28:54

state by state. Years and professor was plowed

28:57

John King were to be looking out for

28:59

your full all over the map. Report on

29:01

Anderson Cooper. Three sixes tonight at Easter. we

29:03

always procedure timer friend too soon and Q.

29:05

and of that's what it's really

29:07

like on the grounds and gaza

29:09

person slows down to deliver a

29:12

see how the goodwill mrs for

29:14

the to a dangerous place for

29:16

food stay with us. And

29:20

our world lead a heartbreaking story shown and

29:23

away only see and and can. unfathomable suffering

29:25

and hunger and Gaza has led many to

29:27

risk their lives for their families, some swimming

29:29

into the ocean to recover a drop from

29:32

the sky. A. Message of distributing

29:34

lifesaving. It is neither safe. Nor.

29:36

Effective but one of the only ways for

29:38

the world to help the starving people of

29:41

Gaza. Israel continues to block some of the

29:43

land process seen instrument across. It brings us

29:45

this report first must one of yours. What

29:47

you're about to see is very important. Is.

29:50

Also very hard to watch. And

29:55

see. Scored a plane and eight begins

29:57

to drop. The. Run as. If

30:00

they can. If the rush of

30:03

people so desperate so hungry for

30:05

would do anything to feed their

30:07

children now on the brink of

30:10

starvation. Is is

30:12

what survival in Gaza has come

30:14

to. Fighting for food, that little

30:16

bit of aid that makes it

30:18

into the north where man made.

30:20

Famine now looms. People

30:23

cheese parachutes of fell into these

30:25

trophy voters. His desperation to

30:27

drive them into the sea. Floor

30:30

that to see next is disturbing.

30:33

It's the reality of a war

30:35

growing more cool by the day.

30:37

the fact that the city's most

30:39

with boxes as Americans. Issue from the

30:41

threatens: each. Others

30:43

doesn't make it out alive. Our

30:45

people. Gather around the skin for your body of

30:47

a man who. Drowned point to reach

30:49

that age. Twelve people drowned according to

30:52

paramedics assume about was is thought to

30:54

parachute spell into the water up with

30:56

some it says that people want to

30:59

eat that he went into the water

31:01

and drowned. the current was so strong

31:03

of but he didn't know how to

31:06

swim. It's what you. Do when you

31:08

have nothing left to lose V it

31:10

Buddy Buddy and that the man goes

31:13

in swimming to get food for his

31:15

children. He returns dead. This man says

31:17

bring us a to the Land Cross

31:20

since our children are dying We are

31:22

dying. What are you doing? Well as

31:24

the world the world has been piling

31:27

up lifesaving aid. Into trucks stuck

31:29

at land crossings, seemingly powerless.

31:31

In the face of Israel's the six

31:33

used of using starvation as a weapon

31:36

in this war, a. Charge into now

31:38

was in the international community to

31:40

resort to dropping eight from the

31:43

sky. Several countries carried out angel

31:45

on this day deliveries that have

31:47

been criticized for being ineffective, insufficient

31:50

on unsafe. For

31:53

earlier this month a number iraq

31:56

disaster when parish failed in a

31:58

packages came crashing down. Permanently

32:00

find people. To

32:04

was just testing humanities and many

32:06

say this is what failure looks

32:09

like. To

32:12

Monaco Nazi Cnn London. As.

32:16

I said jamal of that very powerful

32:18

piece. I had what could be released

32:20

for millions of people dealing with the

32:22

agony of Ptsd, a therapy that essentially

32:24

replace your trauma back in black and

32:26

white. To. Military veterans who say

32:29

it works as that's. At

32:35

some point in their lives according to

32:37

be a seven percent of veterans what

32:39

spirits posttraumatic stress and fifteen percent veterans

32:41

went to Iraq and Afghanistan experience posttraumatic

32:44

stress and just the last year. For.

32:46

Jake Tapper shows us are new therapy called

32:48

the Reconsolidation of Traumatic Memories are are T

32:51

M is being used to try and help

32:53

them. Black and White. I

32:56

was born and raised in Hell's Kitchen. He

33:00

urged to be tough but tag

33:02

please I to Vietnam you find

33:05

that your it is tough issues

33:07

which might marino would spend sixty

33:09

years of his life battling what

33:12

he calls. The. Demons: a

33:14

rifleman during the Vietnam War.

33:16

Marino like many veterans, return

33:19

to the U S. with

33:21

post traumatic stress. I started

33:23

having nightmares flashbacks and he

33:25

knew what was. Years

33:28

later I heard something about

33:30

post Traumatic Stress Disorder and

33:33

the symptoms as has. To.

33:35

Systems. Are when

33:37

I have the Aids in know what

33:39

it was, doesn't really have a therapy

33:42

for it. Last year Marina was introduced

33:44

the Doctor Frank Burke, a Phd who

33:46

has dedicated his entire career to trying

33:48

to help people with post traumatic stress.

33:51

After Nine Eleven, Doctor Burke was on

33:53

the ground a New York City treating

33:55

World Trade Center survivors. Today he's

33:57

the founder of a cutting edge therapy called. The

34:00

Reconsolidation of Chromatic Memories

34:02

Protocol or are T

34:04

M. This. Is the breakthrough.

34:07

Treatment. For Ptsd that we've

34:09

needed for the last seventy five

34:11

years, this thing is almost too

34:13

good to be believed. Work

34:17

estimates that he is treated three thousand

34:20

people and trained more than three hundred

34:22

licensed therapist and the procedure on the.

34:26

Here's how Archie and Works: A

34:28

person imagines himself or herself inside

34:30

a movie theater, re watching the

34:32

traumatic event in black and white.

34:35

The goal is to make the core

34:37

aspects of the memory. Like. The

34:40

color, the vividness, Less

34:42

harmful for a person the memory

34:44

as being process while the person

34:46

is relax. It's separates.

34:49

The traumatic ceiling from the

34:51

memory. Another bonus. Doctor Burke

34:53

says the therapy can be

34:55

completed in only a few

34:57

days and it can all

34:59

be done online. Had a

35:01

movie. Isn't come on

35:03

and exit therapy for decades. He is

35:06

a semi and five days the seems

35:08

are gonna go way. No.

35:11

Way. And. The

35:13

demons were gone. No

35:17

more nightmares. Not.

35:20

One. Unlike

35:22

prolonged exposure therapy which is

35:24

commonly used to treat veterans

35:26

but can be painful to

35:29

relive the trauma leading to

35:31

high dropout rates are T

35:33

M's movie theater based approach.

35:35

Seems. Promising! I have done

35:38

cognitive behavioral therapy, had done

35:40

cognitive processing therapy in I've

35:42

done he Mdr. And

35:45

they didn't work. He works.

35:47

The problem is is that

35:49

veterans as a sovereign bonds

35:51

solace mean you're going to

35:54

one and sank up on

35:56

good until I wasn't a

35:58

sword. just saw. Turner

36:00

was a cannon crew member in the Iraq War

36:02

In Two Thousand and Four. What? Made

36:04

you try our team. Because.

36:06

I was stuck. Sometimes. The

36:08

census pop in your head like a

36:11

flashback a known and what do you

36:13

do now when when it pops in

36:15

your have. Just pops in my

36:17

a lot less. None of

36:19

this goes away. Or

36:22

I don't think out every rid of it.

36:25

But. You can deal with a better like a deal with

36:27

it better than that. point. Right

36:30

now, the Veteran's Administration offers a

36:32

number of evidence based therapies for

36:34

posttraumatic stress. The V A says

36:36

the knowledge about our teams effectiveness

36:39

is still evolving. The Be A

36:41

also says the protocols results quote

36:43

are promising, but it is not

36:45

recognized as an evidence based treatment

36:48

for Ptsd in any of the

36:50

five current practice guidelines. V.

36:52

A provides veterans who experience

36:54

Ptsd with proven effective, patient

36:56

centered treatment options. Advocates for

36:59

our to and protocol suggested.

37:01

V A is dragging it's

37:03

heels. The Cia has never. Posted

37:05

Rpm on it's merits. Past

37:08

it. But. Don't say that

37:11

there's not. Enough research because you

37:13

are exactly. The institutions in a

37:15

position. To fund that research, Doctor

37:17

Burke's clients a veterans could benefit

37:19

from the protocol. Today.

37:22

Therapy for this? Yea,

37:25

My penis or take it

37:27

has since he's in cities.

37:29

So a new therapies out

37:31

here that work. Jake Tapper

37:34

seen in Washington. The

37:37

Uniformed Services University has been working on

37:39

a study about our team for but

37:41

the last four years. Hopefully when those

37:43

results are published later this year, more

37:45

will be known about the protocols effectiveness.

37:47

Always important to note of you or anyone

37:49

else you know a struggling with posttraumatic stress.

37:52

You can text or call nine a day

37:54

for help. We. Back in a

37:56

moment. And

37:59

this is an answer. They are leads around

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the world. Fulton County District Attorney Pawnee

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well as says yes she will give

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House Republicans access to documents related to

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her case against former President Donald Trump.

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make sure this moved here in

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the way a prostitute and Trump

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and his allies for Hopkins ask

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to the doctor should have learned

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to once again it's a language

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before we go and important updates.

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