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Hi. This is Amy Donaldson, host of

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Dave is an investigative journalist who created

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one of the most popular and thought provoking

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true crime podcasts. Cold.

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This season, he investigates the nineteen

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eighty five disappearance of Sherry Warren,

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a young mother who's trying to rebuild her life

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in the wake of a bad marriage. Trie

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had moved back in with her family, found a great

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job, and was even spending time with

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a new boyfriend. She seemed to be

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genuinely happy for the first time

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in a long time. But on

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a mild October evening after work,

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Sherry said goodbye to her coworkers, left

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the office, and was never heard

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from again. All

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eyes quickly focused on her ex husband

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who she was supposed to meet that night, hit

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history of violence and had previously

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lured another woman into the woods in beat her

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with a tire iron. But

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there was also another man who eventually picked

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the interest of investigators, Sherry's

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new boyfriend, He was a former reserve

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police officer, a man who distributed

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flyers asking for help finding her,

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but who also had a lengthy, dark

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history of sexual violence. Two

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men who profess to care about who

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said at different points that they loved

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her became the prime suspects

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in her disappearance. So why

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hasn't her case been solved? Dave's

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investigation doesn't just turn up evidence

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about what might have happened to Sheree. It

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also reveals how issues between police

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departments could have contributed to the

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case remaining unsolved for decades.

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There is no one better at investigative journalism

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than Dave Collie. But this podcast

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isn't just concerned with what happened, but

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why there has been no justice for Sheree

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or her family. It's a heartbreaking

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and maddening season of one of the best

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True Crime Podcasts out there. I'm

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about to play you a clip from Cold, the

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search for Sherry. While you're listening,

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Rain drizzled over the canyon of the south

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fork of the Ogden River. It patter

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on the canvas top of Heidi Posnines' jeep.

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As she drove up Utah State Highway thirty

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nine on the morning of Friday June fourth

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nineteen seventy one. She

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was on her way to meet the strange man who had

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for weeks been calling her demanding they

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go on a date. I can't see

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it, but I'm doing air quotes. She

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turned right off the highway at entrance to the

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Meadows Campground. Crossed a

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short bridge over the river barely more

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than creek really and stopped

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next to a camper trailer on the far

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side. A pair of sheriff's deputies

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dressed as fishermen stepped out to greet her.

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And I said, what should I do? And he

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said, well, he just pull

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across the street

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and then leave the Jeep part

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like the sideways. You know what I mean? As

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Heidi's describing this to me decades later,

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She's using her hands to show the positions

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of her jeep in the trailer, how

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the deputies told her to park next to them,

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but to reverse out after the collar arrived

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and passed by her position to block

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him from getting back across the bridge to

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the

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road. She

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was the cheese on the mousetrap. Lizette,

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make sure when he comes up, identify,

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make sure that he's the right person.

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Two miles down the can, back in

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the direction of Huntsville, her husband

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John Posnine waited at another

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campground called Magpie. The

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Sheree was with him, along with the deputy

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Albert Bailey. They all watched the

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highway as the clock ticked toward

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the time for Heidi's date to arrive.

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A little after ten AM, a red

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and white half ton pickup truck past

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magpipe going up the canyon toward meadows.

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John Posney saw a logo printed

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on the truck's door and a dummy he

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was driving his debts business

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truck and said Hartman

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Plumbing. And when they drove past

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Magpie, John Seth, he immediately

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knew who it was Hartman Plumbing

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and Heating belonged to a man named Bill

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Hartman. John Newbill.

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They had golfed together at the Oregon golfing

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country club. Bill was also

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a fellow member of The Weber Club.

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The caller had told Heidi he'd seen her at

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The Weber Club. It clicked

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for John he recognized the

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man at the wheel of the pickup as Bill

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Hartman's oldest son, Carrie

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Hartman. The Sheree tried

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to radio the two undercover deputies who were

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with Heidi at Meadows to let them know the collar

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would soon reach them. But the radio

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didn't work in the narrow canyon. Heidi

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had no idea who the young man

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in the pickup truck was when he turned

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off the

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highway, drove across the bridge,

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and stopped next to her jeep.

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No. Because I never paid any attention

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to him before. I didn't notice him before.

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The young man rolled down his window.

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Heidi saw he had brown hair, green

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eyes, and appeared clean-cut like

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a cop or military man. Kind

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of forgettable.

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He said, hi. I can't remember exactly.

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And and then I said, why would you

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pick on an old lady like

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me? Then he made some remark that I

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was six year, pretty year, something,

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you know.

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You're not an old lady at this point though.

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No. Gosh. No. But

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I was way older than he was. I

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already had

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kids, you know, teenagers. So,

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yeah, I was an old lady. Carrie

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Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's thirty

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KSL. And he kept looking at that trailer

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and was getting a little nervous. And

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he said, I'm gonna just

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pull up there. Why don't you follow me up there?

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By up there, Carrie meant farther into the campground

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behind a line of trees out of sight of the

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road. He drove past her up

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around bend, Heidi put

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her jeep in reverse pulled out and blocked the

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narrow road just as the deputies had

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instructed. She then leapt from the

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jeep and rushed into the safety of their trailer.

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The deputies told her to stay put,

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then went to stand next to the Jeep.

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Heidi poured herself cup of coffee

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with shaking hands, listened

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for the sound of the pickup. It had

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returned after a few minutes. Heidi

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peeked out the window as the deputies pulled

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carry out of the truck and placed him under arrest.

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They frisked him, finding a small knife

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in his pocket. Then they tried to

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call their backup down at the Magpie camp ground

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only to discover their radios didn't work in

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the canyon

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either. So the deputies

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piled into Carrie's truck and drove it

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and him down the canyon to meet

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with the sheriff. I stayed while because

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I was all

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nervous. I kids. Whatever

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you I'd had my coffee and then I got Najib

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and I drove down and they were already gone. So

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Only later did Heidi learn from her

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husband, John, what had happened? When Carrie

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had arrived in handcuffs at

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Magpie. John, she told

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me, had turned to the sheriff. He

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says, boy, she would like to smack him in

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the mouth, and he says, well, we looked the other way.

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So they they had him already out

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and tried touched him.

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And he he was embarrassed. He looked down and he

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says, I wish he had a gun and shoot me,

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really? Yeah.

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He said that because he was embarrassed. He

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was ashamed. John Poss

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needing had punched Carrie Hartman in the face,

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while the Sheree and his deputies looked

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the other way. Needless to

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say, this wasn't legal. The

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deputies had then taken Carrie to the Weber County

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jail in Ogden where they'd booked him on suspicion

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of making threatening phone calls. A

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minor, misdemeanor charge,

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that didn't quite match the gravity of

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the whole situation. Carrie

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provided handwritten statement admitting to what

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had happened, I called the lady and

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said, would you meet me at a time and place?

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If not, some harm would come to your husband's

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car and possibly him. That's

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not Carrie's voice, but they are his

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words read by a voice actor.

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Even today, Heidi downplays

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the seriousness of what happened, or

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because he really hadn't done anything other

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than met me. But

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I'm here to tell you, there was something much

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more ominous behind those phone calls.

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Something that makes Heidi's mouth go dry

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and her hands fidget when she really stops

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to think about it. This

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season isn't about Heidi Posnering. As

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I said earlier, it's about the disappearance of

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Sherry Warren, but there's a

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reason we're starting with Heidi

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instead of Sherry. It's because

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Carrie Hartman, the man who tried

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to lure Heidi up that canyon, would

9:38

years later meet a friend

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and woo Sheree Warren.

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Our story begins with a phone call.

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Voice on the phone said I was sexy.

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He had made literally thousands of those types

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calls. He follows the women, gets

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to know them, and then then

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Don't report your body as I found it.

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Everything. There are a lot of missing girls.

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Escalates.

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She was beaten, stabbed until the knife

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broke, and then shot twice in the head.

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Sherry Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen

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eighty five. Her

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friends and families say she's not the type to just

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run away. Sheree wouldn't leave her child.

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No one can say just what happened to

10:22

Sheree. No one's faced charges for

10:24

her disappearance. Not her ex

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husband, Chuck Warren, money

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was a big issue. Chuck,

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who told her If I can't have you nobody's

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going to. I'm

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not Sheree he's boyfriend, Carrie Hartman.

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I remember

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her scene. Be careful with him. Yeah. Too

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disposition. Doctor Jackal, mister

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Hyde, he could be the nicest guy you ever wanted

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me, but he also had that

10:44

sinister side. Hey,

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