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It's connection to God. He
3:02
heard my cry.
3:09
Because I was sitting inside because
3:11
I thought he had to move. don't
3:13
wanna move. My
3:20
last time when I poached and I thought red corners
3:22
corner from the tree, they were
3:25
so beautiful. And
3:27
my thought he said, when you see
3:29
a red cardinal, that means change.
3:33
And I said, dear lord, I wonder what the change
3:35
is gonna be. Meet
3:38
Sharon Levine, a lifelong resident
3:40
of Saint James Parish in Louisiana. About
3:44
an hour's drive from New Orleans, St. James'
3:46
nestled into the curves of the Mississippi
3:48
River. This parish, which
3:50
is a Christian word, most other states in the call
3:53
it County, is home to just under
3:55
twenty thousand people. Driving
3:57
along item between New Orleans and Baton
3:59
Rouge you could easily miss Saint James.
4:02
It's camouflaged by Marshland. It's
4:04
green, it's humid, and there's all that
4:06
water in the Mississippi River, bending
4:09
back and forth as far as the eye can
4:11
see. It was here, Sharon
4:13
said God spoke to her.
4:16
Him if you
4:18
want me to sell my home and he said
4:20
no. And I asked me, he want me
4:22
to sell my land. He said no. And
4:24
that's when he told me to like, that
4:27
was the most powerful day of my life.
4:29
And if a sense that I've been doing this work,
4:32
the statistic, he changed something
4:35
inside of me I don't know
4:37
what it is, but he changed something. He's
4:40
in my inner behaving.
4:48
Sharing comes from generations of people
4:50
who have lived off this land. She raised
4:52
all six of her kids here. She taught special
4:54
ed at the local school for almost forty
4:56
years. And today, she
4:58
is a devoted singer in her
5:00
church choir. Sharon's
5:04
connection to this land and
5:06
this community is strong.
5:08
My grandparents lived on this land. They did.
5:11
They raised Turkish Chegg's with the big
5:13
feathers. But I I was a little girl and
5:15
Chegg's was so big and beautiful feathers.
5:17
Chegg's for Thanksgiving. My grandfather
5:20
used the fish in the river right
5:22
over there across this lake. My grandfather was
5:24
fishing shrimp. He picked pecans doing
5:27
pecans season. Over there, we
5:29
had more in the field where my dad
5:31
would plant. She sugar came. And
5:33
on the side of the
5:34
house, we had a garden where we got up in the morning
5:36
at five o'clock. To go pick the butter beans,
5:38
the snap beans, the
5:39
okra. It all sounds so
5:42
good. But when you get off interstate
5:44
and meander through the parishes between
5:46
these cities,
5:48
you start to see, hear, and
5:50
even smell a different story.
5:53
I used to pick the plums all the time. They used
5:55
to be sweet. They were not sweet in the middle.
5:58
Oh, look at entergy. So
6:02
so far we've seen dau, oxycom,
6:05
entergy. This eighty five
6:07
mile stretch between New Orleans and Baton
6:09
Rouge is known as the industrial corridor.
6:13
There are some one hundred and fifty deep
6:15
plants and refineries up and down this part
6:17
of the Mississippi that process oil
6:19
and produce the chemicals that make up
6:21
plastic. And as your dry driving through
6:23
these rural communities. Okay. Is
6:25
that a normal occurrence that you're just driving
6:28
along this highway and this
6:30
huge plume of white smoke.
6:32
It doesn't look like fire. It
6:36
doesn't look isn't
6:38
good. I was just about to roll down
6:40
the window to see if it smelled like, but that's a point.
6:42
Not a good idea.
6:44
Driving along Highway eighteen to Sharon's house
6:46
you feel dwarfed by these massive
6:49
pipes that stretch over
6:51
the roadway like a bridge. They come
6:53
down on the other side practically splitting
6:55
property lines.
6:57
I have never seen industry so
7:00
close to people's homes.
7:02
When we left that night and got back on I
7:04
ten, Those smoke stacks, they
7:06
kept going. They glaring
7:08
high beams from the plants. We watched them
7:10
fade into these distant
7:13
twinkling lights. Mimicking
7:15
a city skyline. In
7:19
two thousand eighteen, Taiwanese based
7:21
Formosa Plastics Corporation put
7:23
in a bid, a big bid. Nine
7:25
point four billion dollars for
7:27
two thousand four hundred acres in Saint
7:29
James
7:30
Parish. What four might you mask,
7:32
the Sunshine Project. Nine
7:35
point four billion dollars to be invested
7:37
by Formosa Petrochemical Corporation
7:41
We don't talk numbers like this very often
7:43
in Louisiana, and the fact that it's gonna happen
7:45
here along the river in St. James
7:47
Parish. It will result
7:49
in unheard of opportunities for
7:51
our citizens and our businesses.
7:54
The Sunshine Project sounds innocuous,
7:56
doesn't it? Well, according
7:58
to a Guardian article, This Sunshine
8:01
project would roughly double
8:03
toxic emissions in its local area.
8:05
And according to environmentalists, release
8:07
up to thirteen metric tons
8:10
of greenhouse gases a year. It
8:12
would be one of Louisiana's largest
8:15
plastic factories pop down
8:17
essentially in Sharon's backyard. Yeah.
8:20
Sure. It would change the character of
8:22
the neighborhood. But according to environmental
8:24
activists who would do a lot more than
8:26
that. We are being slowing at pause
8:28
since the day by the
8:30
chemical companies that operate up
8:32
and down the
8:33
river. In
8:35
the late nineteen eighties, this area was dubbed
8:37
Cancer Alley by local environmental activists.
8:40
Some began calling it Death Alley. They
8:43
claim if you live close to a petrochemical
8:45
facility in this area, you
8:47
might get cancer at a rate that dwarfs
8:50
the national average. So
8:52
why would anyone choose to live here in
8:54
Cancer Alley? I belong
8:56
here. I don't belong somewhere else.
8:58
Why should I give up with my grandparents to
9:00
work for? To let industry come
9:02
and take it. If I leave, like all
9:04
these people, I'm gonna leave behind. I wouldn't
9:06
wanna leave my neighbors here to die. So
9:10
if I have to fight for me and my
9:12
neighbors, I will.
9:18
This is the story of a woman who was nearly
9:20
driven out of her home in Saint James Parish.
9:23
A woman who lost so many friends
9:25
to cancer, she felt she was running out of
9:27
options. Who was she to
9:29
go up against some of the biggest plastic manufacturers
9:32
in the world. What did she
9:35
have other than her faith and her friends?
9:38
Well, as it turns out, that's
9:39
plenty. This is the story of
9:41
how Sharon Levine took on the sunshine
9:44
project.
9:47
What do we want? Yes, miss. What
9:49
do we want now? We are going
9:51
of win. We're not gonna lose. I'm
9:59
your host. Gloria Rivera. Welcome
10:02
to discarded.
10:11
I never would have described myself
10:13
as someone with any connection to
10:15
an eighty five mile strip of land in Louisiana.
10:19
And I bet the same might be true of you.
10:21
I mean, went to New Orleans for Jazz Fest
10:23
once in two thousand three. It was awesome.
10:26
Shut out to the Neville brothers and the gospel
10:29
tent, but that was it. That
10:31
being said, a connection would come.
10:34
It happened on Sunday, April fourteenth
10:36
two thousand nineteen to be exact.
10:39
I was a pretty healthy forty five year old
10:41
woman. Someone would soon tell me I
10:43
had the resting heartbeat of Michael Phelps.
10:45
You know, I haven't fact checked that, but it sounds
10:47
pretty good. Anyway, that Sunday
10:50
I went to a hot yoga less. And
10:52
the last thing I remember thinking is, I
10:55
need to sit down. I
10:57
had two back to back grand mile seizures
11:00
because I had a cancerous
11:02
brain tumor called an oligodendro glioma
11:06
in my left frontal lobe. I
11:08
was told one course of career had an
11:10
average survival rate of ten years.
11:13
In ten years, my youngest child would be
11:15
going to high school. A crappy
11:18
time for mom to die. So
11:21
yeah, I know what it's like
11:23
to have a doctor look at you
11:25
and deliver the news that you have cancer
11:28
and it might kill In
11:31
this four part series, we start with
11:33
how cancer alley came to be and Sharon's
11:36
mission to take on big plastic. We
11:39
examine how we fostered an environment
11:41
in the United States that often puts
11:43
profits over people. We
11:45
will zoom out of Louisiana and learn how
11:48
plastic first entered the home and
11:50
where things took a turn for the worse.
11:52
While the petrochemical industry is looking
11:54
to scale up production, we are
11:56
highlighting the people who are working to
11:58
scale it down and keep it
12:00
that
12:01
way. Classic is
12:03
the nightmare gift that never
12:05
stops giving. Your garbage is coming here,
12:08
and our community is having to breathe
12:10
at
12:10
them. The politicians are selling us
12:12
out to industry.
12:14
The industry is in denial male about
12:16
his responsibility to the environment and
12:18
to us.
12:18
Our planet is at its breaking point.
12:21
We can't put your profit over
12:23
you destroying the planet. Try
12:26
to go through your day without plastic.
12:28
I can't. Plastic is everywhere
12:32
to fully understand impact, we went
12:34
to ground zero in Louisiana where
12:36
plastic and so many other large
12:38
scale industrial products come into
12:40
this
12:40
world. You remember what it was
12:42
like before the first
12:43
For the first plant? Oh, I heard mom and
12:45
them talking. They were saying this a nice thing and
12:47
they were glad. So I was glad because
12:50
they were glad. Right. Sharon
12:52
was a teenager when she learned the first
12:54
plant was coming to her community. She
12:57
says her mom and friends thought that new industry
12:59
meant prosperity for the
13:01
child. It was told it was safe and
13:03
it was told it's gonna bring jobs. Right.
13:22
We met Sharon at her choir rehearsal.
13:24
They practice every Thursday here at Saint
13:27
James Catholic Church. While
13:37
everyone, including me, is
13:39
tired from the work day, It
13:41
does feel like a peaceful release
13:44
just to find my place on a wooden
13:46
pew and let that music
13:48
fill the room with serenity. When
13:58
practice is over, people slowly filter
14:00
out down the aisle. And I ask, can we
14:02
speak to you? It doesn't take long
14:04
for the subject of cancer to come up.
14:07
Do you think do you believe your cancer was
14:09
connected to the living in Cancer
14:11
Alley? I can't say, no, it wasn't.
14:14
Because I'm because I'm not a hundred percent sure
14:16
that it wasn't because where we live. This
14:18
is Mika. She's a cancer survivor,
14:21
and she's the assistant principal at the
14:23
school where Sharon works. Mika
14:25
is warm. She's got this big smile
14:27
on her face, and she's very happy
14:29
to talk to
14:30
us. I love my Paris.
14:32
I love my community. I almost
14:35
says the principal at the school where I graduated
14:37
from. I love my kids here. I love
14:39
the people here. We heard
14:41
about that kind of love for community
14:44
from almost everyone we spoke to.
14:46
I'm choosing
14:47
Natalie. Because I
14:50
just bill Saint James where
14:52
I belong. This is
14:54
where my great grandparents
14:57
lived. My entire family
14:59
both sides were from St. James. This
15:01
is me, so why should I be forced
15:03
to move? Deep
15:06
family ties and service to the community
15:08
are just some of the reasons people
15:10
stay here, but not everyone
15:12
feels like Mika. The reality
15:15
is it's just not that easy to
15:17
pick up and go. Here's Lisa.
15:19
She's more reserved and I
15:21
could hear the burden she lives
15:23
with. In her voice. Well, I would
15:25
love to leave. I I like the
15:27
place where I grew up. I I love to stay
15:30
here, but I would love to get away from the pollution
15:32
as well. If that was possible
15:34
for me to do so. It's
15:36
not possible. And no. And it's,
15:39
you know, more people here are
15:41
older people and it's hard to start
15:43
over at this age.
15:45
Yeah.
15:45
And sometimes I hear a lot of people
15:48
talk about being depressed. Because
15:51
when you think about the conditions here,
15:54
it is depressing. It's
15:57
like we have been cheated out of
15:59
something cheated out
16:01
of what? A good life, a better
16:03
life, and all the other
16:05
opportunities that other people have
16:08
The plants are here, but they
16:11
benefit other people. They come
16:13
and get the jobs
16:14
here, and we have to breathe the air. That's
16:16
just so sad and heartbreaking. They
16:20
have to breathe the air as
16:23
real as cancer alleys. To so
16:25
many Saint James
16:26
locals. A lot of people disagree.
16:29
Calling it cancer alley, death alley,
16:31
industrial corridor or
16:32
even chemical
16:33
corn or whatever you call it
16:35
can be political statement. Back
16:38
in the nineteen eighties, a part of South Louisiana
16:40
gained a nickname that was as brightening
16:42
as it was controversial.
16:44
How can it be cancer alley if the cancer
16:46
rates are not higher than the statewide
16:48
average in that area? You can
16:51
walk up any street or knock
16:53
on any door, and you can ask a question,
16:55
has anybody had in this house
16:58
had cancer? And then it's gonna be yes. We
17:00
have annual health checks
17:02
and all kinds of facilities to make
17:04
sure that we're
17:04
okay. So I'm not sure where the term cancellations
17:07
came from and It's controversial.
17:10
Research is lacking despite residents
17:12
of the area maintaining that they're disproportionately
17:15
impacted by cancer and other health
17:17
problems due to these science. Scientists
17:19
have recently tried to investigate that
17:22
correlation. If you look at any
17:24
map from the EPA, of
17:26
levels of cancer causing pollution. The
17:29
entire area between New Orleans
17:31
and Baton Rouge will light
17:33
up This
17:36
is doctor Kimberly Terrell. She's
17:38
a staff scientist and director of community
17:41
engagement at Tulane's Environmental Law
17:43
Clinic in New Orleans. It
17:45
continually blows my mind that
17:48
all of the pollutants we're talking about are
17:51
chemicals that are known to cause health
17:53
problems. Cancer alley residents
17:55
aren't just worried about
17:56
cancer. The area has seen
17:58
increases in asthma, upper
18:00
respiratory illnesses, and heart disease.
18:03
The state doesn't regulate the
18:05
release of steam into the
18:07
air. It regulates pollutants
18:10
that have established health effects.
18:13
So why is it
18:16
that each community has to prove
18:19
that they are susceptible to health
18:21
problems from exposure to
18:24
pollutants that are known to cause health
18:26
problems. But it's
18:28
not that simple, quite frankly, more
18:30
research needs to be done into whether environmental
18:33
risks equate to actual cases
18:35
of all kinds of
18:36
cancer. For Kim, a scientist
18:38
who led a study that found a link between
18:40
pollution and cancer in Louisiana, while
18:43
she's pretty firm on her view. To
18:45
me, Cancer Alley is a place in Southeast
18:48
Louisiana where communities of
18:50
color are disproportionately burdened
18:52
with air pollution and with cancer.
18:55
Kim's convinced. And I just wanna wind
18:57
back a little to grasp this slow
18:59
but massive heavy industry takeover
19:02
along the Mississippi. I
19:04
talked to a local journalist, Mark Schlevstein,
19:07
an environmental reporter at The Times Picay
19:09
Anne, the New Orleans Advocate, who's been
19:11
working this feat since the eighties. Hi.
19:13
Hi. Hi, Mark. How are you? Pretty good.
19:15
Good. We met Mark
19:18
at his house in New Orleans. This
19:20
is actually his most recent home. His
19:22
last one flooded with nearly fifteen
19:25
feet of water during hurricane Katrina.
19:28
He works out of his home office, Reporting
19:30
awards are displayed on the
19:32
walls, and there's also a white hard
19:34
hat he takes on all his site
19:36
visits. Chemical
19:39
plants were built on the Mississippi River
19:42
because there's free
19:44
water from the Mississippi and
19:46
there's free transportation, but you
19:48
also have easy access to
19:50
salt domes throughout the region.
19:53
That can be mined to make chlorine,
19:56
which is the key ingredient for
19:58
most petrochemicals.
20:00
Ah, petrochemicals. You
20:02
are going to hear this word a lot. It
20:05
simply means chemicals that are made from
20:07
oil and gas. They make
20:09
anything from the building blocks of plastics
20:12
to the chemicals that go into fertilizers. Early
20:15
on in Mark's career, he pulled up
20:17
to the gates of a petrochemical plant
20:19
and asked see the facility. After
20:23
some pushback, he got inside with
20:25
a PR representative leading the tour.
20:28
He says, he saw huge trucks
20:31
dumping liquid waste into pits.
20:34
Inside the pits were aerators, which
20:37
essentially cause the ways to evaporate.
20:40
We were walking around in street clothes
20:42
and the guys who were at the trucks
20:45
were in white suits with helmets
20:48
and masks. And we were
20:50
not feeling well to say the least by
20:53
the time we got
20:53
back. The environmental guy
20:56
who was with me was throwing up at the
20:58
front gate.
20:59
So like I said, hazardous
21:02
chemicals And
21:03
this was just one story. Mark
21:05
told our team from those early days of his
21:07
investigative reporting. One of the chemical
21:10
plants that I looked at they let us
21:12
in and took us around and showed us
21:14
all this stuff, and it was very
21:16
well cleaned up and everything. And
21:18
then as we're walking
21:19
along, we smelled something that smelled
21:22
like maple syrup. Yeah.
21:24
So not rotten eggs. Maple syrup.
21:26
The smell of chemicals comes in
21:28
many flavors.
21:30
I asked the plant manager
21:32
and he said, oh, well, that's the
21:34
pancake place in the community next
21:36
door. As I'm walking back,
21:39
this other worker, who's, like, following
21:41
behind us, laying over my
21:43
shoulders, says, you know that not pancake
21:45
syrup and I say, yeah, I know it's ethylene
21:47
dot chloride. Well ethylene
21:49
dot chloride is a very toxic
21:52
material that's used in making
21:54
plastics. does not like pancakes
21:56
here.
21:58
So the pancake plastic excuse was probably
22:01
fake, but the community next door, now
22:03
that's very real. And it just so
22:05
happens to be a predominantly black
22:07
community that Mark told us had issued
22:09
a number of complaints about the pollution,
22:12
not a pancake factory. At
22:14
this point, it's nineteen eighty eight. Louisiana
22:17
ranks number two in toxic
22:19
emissions behind KSL, and
22:22
the Environmental Protection Agency, the
22:24
EPA, has officially begun
22:26
to require industry to
22:28
track their pollution
22:29
numbers. The result of that was
22:31
two thirds of the emissions in Louisiana disappeared
22:35
over the next fifteen years.
22:38
Wow. Okay. Two thirds, I mean, we're
22:40
getting somewhere, but wait. Mark
22:42
said it was fifteen years. That would place
22:45
us around the early odds. The last
22:47
time I checked, we have moved on
22:49
from the early
22:50
odds, and we still have a big problem
22:52
today. In the last five
22:54
or ten years, the industry,
22:57
both because there are more
22:59
of them, but also because the companies
23:01
themselves have expanded their size
23:04
and have increased the amount of product that
23:06
they're
23:06
producing. Were seeing an increase
23:08
in the total amount of emissions in the state.
23:11
So what happened? And where's the oversight?
23:14
Mark explained what was happening in the seventies
23:16
that planted the seeds of how we got
23:18
here. At that time, governor
23:20
Edwards was in charge of what
23:22
was happening. Both the federal
23:25
and state regulation of environmental
23:27
issues was really fairly new.
23:30
The industry was very interested did
23:32
in how to develop ways
23:34
of disposing of hazardous waste and
23:36
making money off of this
23:38
large amount of chemical plants that were in
23:40
the state.
23:41
Edwin W Edwards, a Democrat.
23:44
He served four times. In fact,
23:46
the only four term governor in Louisiana
23:48
history, and he was oh,
23:50
how can I put this? He was quite the
23:52
character.
23:53
Where did
23:54
you help me? Where
23:56
did we go? In
23:58
nineteen seventy two, Ed in Edwards,
24:01
he was governor of Louisiana at the
24:03
age of forty 40I wanted to be a country
24:05
in Western Salem, but
24:08
only my mother thought I could sing.
24:10
Edwards admitted his wife, Elaine, took
24:12
twenty thousand dollars from lobbyists for
24:14
the Korean rice industry when he was
24:16
in
24:16
congress. We will not know which of us
24:19
is to blame until the trial has been concluded.
24:22
So back in the early nineteen seventies,
24:24
these new regulations meant companies
24:27
producing hazardous waste, had to
24:29
meet new disposal standards.
24:31
Parameters. Sounds pretty
24:33
good to me, but the catch that
24:35
Edwards well, he allowed these
24:37
companies to dump all of their toxic
24:40
waste in Louisiana. And
24:42
I will give you one guest as
24:44
to, I don't know, who
24:46
owned the dumps? There's a term
24:49
for it in Louisiana, Friends
24:51
of Edwards. But those slick
24:53
deals, well, they finally caught
24:55
up with old Edwin Edwards over
24:57
a riverboat casino scandal that
24:59
landed him in prison. Also,
25:01
just to point of clarification here, Edwin
25:03
Edwards is not related to Louisiana's current
25:06
governor John Bell Edwards. Regardless,
25:08
in addition to political corruption, the
25:11
Department of Environmental Quality, the
25:13
DEQ. Well, Mark said they
25:15
seem to be doing the bare minimum. We've
25:17
reached out to the Louisiana DEQ for
25:20
an interview they declined, but did
25:22
answer a few questions, including stating,
25:24
quote, permits are issued in a
25:26
fair and partial process that
25:29
is prescribed by state and federal
25:31
law. If you talk to the Louisiana Department
25:34
of Environmental Quality, what they will
25:36
say is that they are following
25:39
the federal laws that they're required to
25:41
enforce and the state laws
25:43
that determine how they
25:45
are to regulate the industry. The
25:49
result of that is that
25:51
it's rare that companies do
25:54
not get the permits that they need.
26:00
In fact, Mark contributed to a big
26:02
investigative series for ProPublica
26:04
a few years ago. The title of the
26:06
first piece
26:07
was, I've investigated industrial
26:09
pollution for thirty five years. We're
26:11
going backwards. I think the
26:13
fact that we are allowing increases
26:16
in emissions and
26:18
we have seen dramatic improvements
26:21
in ways to reduce emissions. For
26:24
some reason, that dramatic
26:26
improvement is not occurring here.
26:30
That here is Louisiana. That
26:33
here is Cancer Alley. That
26:35
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I wanna see Saint James restored
28:46
to the time when I used to
28:49
visit Saint James as a college
28:51
student back in the early eighties. And
28:53
they essentially had a high school, football
28:56
games was skiing, and that
28:58
now all of that's moving
28:59
away, dying out. Before you know it, it'll
29:01
be a ghost town. Meet
29:04
Michael McLennan, Louisiana NAACP
29:07
state conference president. Michael
29:09
is the kind of guy who brightens any
29:11
room he enters. Michael is just always on
29:13
the go driving from his home in Baton Rouge
29:16
to various activist campaigns and
29:18
events across Louisiana. He
29:20
remembers Saint James, the way it was
29:22
when he visited the area as a
29:24
college student back in the mid
29:26
eighties. We would go there maybe
29:28
a Friday night. You know, there was always a
29:30
club open. And at the time, I might
29:32
have been drinking a little bit and eating
29:34
having a good time and Friday
29:36
night football was
29:37
on. You know, it was good. Okay.
29:40
So Michael's a good storyteller, and his
29:42
eyes just widened with excitement as
29:44
he took us back to the heyday of
29:46
Saint
29:47
James. After the game, Saint
29:49
James probably won, fight a planned arrival,
29:52
we would go out and we would dance and
29:54
drink and their parents would be cooking
29:56
for them and all
29:57
that. Maybe, oh, damn.
29:59
That that I love those stories.
30:01
But I have to be honest. It is really
30:03
hard to imagine that this community where
30:06
you can almost hear a pin drop was
30:08
once so vibrant It's
30:10
as if these companies have slowly
30:13
taken over the whole town
30:15
suffocating
30:16
it.
30:16
You hear about the health issues
30:19
that come along with living close to XI.
30:21
Now let Mo just tell him to move. Michael
30:24
explained that it's just not that easy. After
30:27
years, generations of families
30:29
working for these plants. It's
30:31
really asking someone to sacrifice their
30:33
entire
30:34
livelihood. So
30:35
now it's embedded in the community because they get
30:37
a paycheck on it. And so they don't wanna
30:40
talk about it.
30:42
The phrase I always use is company
30:45
town.
30:45
That's Mark, our environmental journalist again.
30:48
There's a lot of company townish culture
30:51
going on in a lot of these locations.
30:54
Industry can do no wrong. Louisiana's
30:57
Department of Economic Development makes
30:59
a big deal out of announcing that
31:02
new projects are occurring and
31:04
in part it's because of the
31:06
money that's pouring
31:07
in, in various different ways.
31:10
This concept of a company town
31:13
doesn't just happen in Saint James.
31:15
When I think of Saint John, Baptist Parish,
31:17
I think of Marathon as just underwriting
31:19
everything because if you would think that Marathon was
31:22
part of like our official
31:23
government. It just it it blends in with the scenery.
31:26
That's Joe Banner, the co founder and co
31:28
director of the defendant's project. She
31:31
lives in Wallace. It's just down the road from
31:33
Saint James, and she's a fellow campaigner alongside
31:35
Sharon. When Joe says marathon
31:38
She's talking about Marathon Petroleum, one
31:41
of the largest oil refineries in
31:43
the country. They're Garyville refinery
31:45
in St. John Parish right next to St.
31:47
James. Refines over five hundred
31:50
and eighty thousand barrels of
31:52
crude oil per wait for it.
31:55
Day per day. That
31:57
oil can be turned into all kinds
31:59
of things. The gas that goes in
32:01
your car, the asphalt you drive
32:03
on, even the plastic your car
32:05
is made
32:06
of. And it's this
32:08
connection that is unnatural
32:11
but so natural at the same time for this area.
32:13
That you don't even see it. Like, you don't even realize
32:16
when I go to a a public meeting
32:18
and here's marathon given
32:20
backpacks, they're so ingrained in everything.
32:23
Yeah, backpacks. In fact,
32:25
we found this wrap from a
32:27
nineteen eighty nine Dow Chemical
32:30
Educational Video called
32:32
chemistry. Journey to your future.
32:42
Gotta love the eighties. So
32:44
the wrap states at the beginning that
32:47
the video is designed to give
32:49
you a look inside the chemical industry.
32:51
And how that relates to what you are
32:53
learning in the classroom and the
32:55
opportunities available should
32:58
you decide to pursue a career in
33:00
the sciences. And, yes, they
33:02
do provide
33:03
jobs. But not everybody works at
33:05
Marathon and lot of the people who work there aren't
33:07
even from Saint John Parish.
33:09
When it comes to Sharon's fight, her
33:11
own brother, Milton Cayette, worked
33:13
at a plant for almost thirty years.
33:16
When we went to visit him just a mile down
33:18
the road from Sharon, he opened his front
33:20
door in his wheelchair.
33:23
Hi, Milton Ekere Junior. He's
33:26
in Saint James Bay of District,
33:28
and
33:30
I've been here in this house since nineteen
33:32
and he hit four. You can hear there.
33:34
He's got this very gentle way about
33:36
him. He's warm. He's
33:39
older. He's also kind of funny.
33:41
Listen closely because he can be hard to
33:43
understand.
33:45
He is seven and nine. I was hired
33:47
by Phil. Furniture has been
33:49
pushed aside. To make room for Milton
33:51
to maneuver. You have a lot of nice pictures
33:53
in
33:53
here. Mhmm. And how many children do you
33:56
have?
33:56
Two girls and boy.
33:57
Alright. And this is a graduation from
34:00
I
34:00
said they can't, like, high school.
34:01
Oh, wow. Because
34:03
there's my niece out there that could play it
34:05
for too late. Oh, basketball. Oh,
34:07
basketball. Mhmm. Who's this?
34:11
He's my son. He
34:11
looks a lot more serious in his football uniform.
34:14
Yeah. You do. Yeah.
34:15
When you started thinking about,
34:18
is this a safe place because of the pollutants.
34:20
Oh, well, I I thought about it back
34:23
in the ages.
34:24
Back in the ages? When they told me, how they
34:26
call it every year. Cancer alley.
34:28
Is that the first time you heard the phrase cancer
34:30
alley? I heard how many I heard it.
34:32
I got over to the chemical when they
34:34
told me that I didn't think about
34:36
it there because it was a
34:38
good paying
34:39
job. And the
34:41
main thing I was concerned at that time that
34:43
I had a job
34:44
Yeah. I guess I pulled my hand. Yeah.
34:46
Milton was so proud to put food on
34:48
his table for his family, to get
34:51
consistent raises.
34:53
But he lost his wife in two thousand
34:55
one after her second battle
34:57
with breast cancer. Today,
34:59
prostate cancer is just one of
35:01
his many health issues. After
35:04
loyal, if anxious, service
35:06
to a plant for decades, signs
35:08
in support of his sister's fight now
35:10
array his yard. For KSL,
35:12
you're not welcome here. And
35:14
we live on death row. No
35:17
for
35:17
mosa. Before Sharon
35:19
took on for Moses, she definitely had
35:21
doubts.
35:22
If you were wondering, where are we gonna go?
35:24
And that's when he say he's going to come, then I
35:26
say, that's not far enough. And
35:28
then one day, Sharon got a call
35:30
from her daughter while she was teaching in her
35:32
classroom.
35:33
Chanel Chanel called me and
35:35
told me the governor just to
35:37
prove for most of the come in.
35:40
We made multiple attempts to contact the
35:42
governor's office to hear his side but
35:44
our calls and emails went
35:45
unanswered. I was in my classroom.
35:49
And she said, watch it on TV. We're
35:51
trying to watch at all my students.
35:53
Put the TV on for me and I
35:55
saw for myself. They were
35:57
in there celebrating with the people from
35:59
Taiwan and the governor was there too. People
36:01
were happy and rejoicing that
36:04
a new plant was coming to Saint James.
36:07
This is the moment Sharon sat on her
36:09
porch, saw those red cardinals,
36:12
and new Formosa had no home
36:14
in Saint James Parish. If
36:16
we don't win this fight, we're gonna die.
36:20
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39:30
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39:33
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39:35
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39:37
With a new mission in life, Sharon started
39:39
learning as much as she could about what
39:42
she was facing. She read parish
39:44
council papers. She went online
39:46
looking at petrochemical websites. She
39:48
spoke to her neighbors. She even
39:50
joined a local organization called
39:52
help that worked as a voice for the
39:54
community. We asked them to let's
39:56
do a march. So we did a march
39:58
on September eight, twenty
40:01
eighteen. With the help association.
40:03
We had our signs, and
40:05
Shamela and I spoke for the first time in
40:08
public. And the people got government
40:10
names, taking pictures of us. I said, what did they
40:12
do in our life?
40:13
I had no idea this was gonna go further.
40:16
In that moment, Sharon
40:17
saw the power her community had and
40:19
she wanted to push the limits. We
40:22
asked them Let's stop from also.
40:25
They said that they are not that kind of an
40:27
organization. Then they said,
40:30
there's nothing you could do about it. The
40:32
governor approved it. It's a done
40:34
deal. You can't stop it.
40:37
And I said, they're gonna sit up here and don't even try
40:39
to fight. This was a common
40:41
story here. A company comes into
40:44
the neighborhood and sets right up
40:46
often without a
40:47
fight. And we were mad. Near
40:49
Geraldine, Beverly, all of us
40:51
were angry. We were getting the car from the
40:53
help and meeting to go
40:54
home. Geraldine would be fucking Leveen.
40:57
You can start a August eight, and I said, not me.
40:59
I'm not a public speaker, not me, Jeremy.
41:01
But that conversation stuck in Sharon's
41:04
head. The very next day,
41:06
she started organizing meetings in her den,
41:08
just few people and a pot of gumbo
41:10
she had cooked up From those meetings,
41:13
she formed her own organization, Rise
41:16
Saint James. I should also say
41:18
we did reach out to Saint James Parish Council
41:20
asking to find out their role within
41:22
this process and to get their take.
41:25
But despite multiple attempts, the council
41:27
did not respond to our request for
41:29
an interview. All
41:35
this time, she still had her day job working
41:37
as a special education teacher. It
41:40
became too much and Sharon had to
41:42
make a very difficult
41:43
choice.
41:44
I didn't want to quit, but
41:46
I had to quit because I was getting tired
41:49
doing all this work by myself. After
41:52
nearly forty years of teaching, Sharon
41:55
handed in her
41:55
notice. From that point on, Rise
41:58
Saint James had her full attention. But
42:00
this fight, it is so much bigger
42:03
than
42:03
Sharon, than Saint James, than New
42:05
Orleans. It planted its roots in
42:07
this state a long time ago. In
42:10
order to determine when
42:12
Cancer Alley became Cancer Alley, we kind
42:14
of have to go all the way back to
42:16
the original French explorers who
42:18
came up the Mississippi River and
42:20
claimed this area for France.
42:22
So we have to go back to the roots
42:25
of colonialism. And we really
42:27
have to go back to the origins
42:29
of the plantation economy.
42:31
Jane Patton is the campaign manager for plastics
42:34
and petrochemicals at the center for international
42:36
environmental
42:37
law. I am a lifelong Louisiana
42:39
resident. I grew up here one
42:41
of five kids just up the road in Baton
42:43
Rouge and my family goes
42:45
back five generations in New
42:47
Orleans.
42:48
She's worked on plastics and petrochemical issues
42:50
for over a decade. Her goal, reduce
42:53
harm, prevent waste. And it
42:55
will become very apparent that Jane
42:57
is not willing to back down. When
42:59
she speaks, you listen. Louisiana
43:02
is still predicated on
43:04
a plantation economy. On
43:07
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43:09
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43:11
local workers and labor, This is
43:13
something that is not just our economy,
43:16
but our entire political system for
43:18
generations has gone in to reinforcing
43:20
this power structure. Jane reminds
43:22
me of just how deep the
43:24
political and racial roots of Louisiana
43:27
are. You know, what we're seeing is
43:29
that today's Chemical
43:32
Corridor is yesterday's Plantation
43:34
Alley. And we
43:36
are seeing that the political systems
43:39
that allowed horrendous exploitation
43:41
and suffering are still the
43:43
political systems of today. The
43:46
same places suffering most
43:48
today are the very places that endured
43:50
slavery before the civil war. The
43:53
industrial system and the
43:56
white supremacist, frankly, political system
43:58
continued to encroach around them
44:01
and continue to exploit and harm
44:03
them in ways that are today
44:05
protected by law. Okay.
44:08
Let's get into those laws. In
44:10
Louisiana, we actually have some additional,
44:13
quote unquote protections. I'm making air quotes,
44:15
but you can't see them. Around wetlands
44:18
protection because there is so
44:20
much land loss happening in Louisiana and
44:23
because the Mississippi River is such
44:25
an important trade nism for
44:27
the country. Aha. Okay.
44:29
So you remember what Mark said. Industry
44:32
needs water. If you
44:34
are coming from a precautionary principal,
44:36
that the people have a protected
44:38
right to air and water, which by the way,
44:41
we do have an international a
44:43
protected right to clean air and clean
44:45
water. If you are starting from
44:47
that place, you don't assume
44:49
there's gonna be
44:50
harm. You assume that
44:52
it is your job to stop harm
44:54
from happening. Petrochemical companies
44:56
get permits from state and federal authorities
44:58
to pollute its sanctioned levels. But
45:01
Jane says companies pushed the limits.
45:03
My team looked into reports on the EPA
45:06
website and found multiple petrochemical
45:08
facilities around
45:09
St. James do have a history of
45:11
violations. We see that there
45:13
are companies that are allowed to be in violation
45:16
of their permits in
45:19
terms of toxic emissions for
45:21
years on end in some cases.
45:23
With no effort to actually shut
45:26
them down, they pay a nominal fine, the fines
45:28
paid, they keep doing what they're gonna do. Right? We
45:30
see that happening all over Louisiana. Some
45:32
of these plants have been inconsistent violation
45:35
of their clean air act permits for more
45:37
than a decade. And they are still in operation
45:39
every day. Yep, this seems like a
45:41
mess. The other key thing that we see
45:43
happening is that the EPA is actually
45:46
not keeping consistent records of the
45:48
cumulative impact from all
45:50
of these plants. These are
45:52
the levels of all the toxic that
45:55
I would be breathing in that I would be affected
45:57
by. We actually don't have
45:59
that data readily available. In
46:02
Jane's
46:02
view, the EPA is just flat out not doing
46:04
enough. We brought
46:06
this to the EPA and they shared a lengthy
46:09
statement. The EPA did tell
46:11
us that in two thousand eighteen, they released
46:13
the AIR TOXIX Screening Assessment.
46:16
Which tracks air toxins and
46:18
emissions that may pose health risks.
46:20
The state of Louisiana has around forty
46:23
two air monitors for the entire state.
46:26
Okay. Just a quick air monitor 101.
46:28
The Louisiana DEQ is responsible
46:31
for setting up these instruments, which essentially
46:33
detect pollutants in the air for a designated
46:36
spot. For
46:37
example, St. James has one air monitor
46:39
for the whole parish. And when we
46:41
try to push for more air monitoring, the state of Louisiana
46:43
says we can't afford that. And
46:46
so they can afford for millions of people
46:48
to be getting sick, but they can't afford air
46:50
monitors. But wait, let's rewind
46:52
just a little. This doesn't make sense. If
46:54
Louisiana has so much big industry
46:56
that's bringing in jobs and economic wealth
46:59
to the state, where's the money?
47:01
In the early eighties, when oil and
47:03
gas was sort of at its peak, more
47:05
than forty percent of Louisiana
47:07
state revenue came from oil
47:09
and gas. Today, oil
47:12
and gas pays less than five percent
47:14
of Louisiana state
47:15
revenue. We've also lost a
47:17
considerable number of jobs in
47:19
the oil and gas sector in Louisiana. So
47:21
a company like Pharmacist says, hey, it's
47:24
all good. We're gonna bring a lot of jobs
47:26
to the
47:26
area. But in reality, it's more
47:28
complex. What we're not hearing
47:30
is that a lot of the jobs created by these facilities
47:33
are temporary construction jobs. They
47:36
are not long term sustained
47:39
full time pension protected
47:42
jobs. That is not what they are.
47:44
A representative of Formosa's
47:46
Sunshine Project declined our request for an
47:48
interview. They did send us an email. They did
47:50
write. They quote unquote expect one
47:53
thousand two hundred permanent jobs over
47:55
the next eight years are committed to
47:57
hiring locally and
47:58
yes, there will be thousands of construction
48:01
jobs too. State and local politicians
48:04
play a really key role in a lot of
48:06
things around the fossil fuel infrastructure.
48:08
For instance,
48:09
they continue to be the primary bodies
48:11
that give these companies what we call
48:14
the social license to continue to build.
48:16
A lucrative tax break benefiting
48:19
these companies incentivize them
48:21
to come and build in this part of the state.
48:23
So up until twenty sixteen, Louisiana
48:26
had one of the most permissive and
48:28
generous industrial tax exemption
48:30
programs in the country. It was called
48:32
ITEP, literally the industrial tax
48:35
exemption program, ITEP.
48:37
What this program essentially was
48:39
was that it allowed industry
48:43
to be exempt from
48:45
paying local property
48:47
taxes if they
48:50
made capital improvements. So
48:53
basically, if a company said we've built
48:55
this infrastructure or we've made this capital
48:57
improvement to our existing facility. We'd
48:59
like a tax exemption, please, not have
49:01
to pay property taxes. Thank you. And
49:03
on top of
49:04
that, if approved for ITEP, these
49:07
companies didn't have to pay property taxes
49:09
for ten years. That's
49:11
money for communities to thrive. I'm
49:13
talking schools, emergency response,
49:16
and health services. Remember
49:18
Marathon Troleum located in Saint John
49:20
where Joe Banner lives?
49:22
Under the iTech program, Marathon
49:24
was by far the largest benefactor
49:26
from the program one point, they were receiving
49:29
one point five million
49:32
dollars in tax exemptions per
49:35
job. That Marathon created.
49:38
One and a half million dollars per
49:40
job. Tax incentives are set
49:42
up to attract businesses into the area
49:45
with the assumption they will bring jobs
49:47
in economic stimulus. And oftentimes,
49:49
this can be great. These numbers
49:52
Jane is referring to were true up
49:54
until two thousand
49:55
sixteen. That year, the
49:57
newly elected Democratic governor
49:59
gave local authorities the right
50:01
to approve or reject these exemptions
50:04
instead of the state board. When
50:06
marathon was actually forced,
50:08
by the Parish Council in Saint John
50:11
to put all of their the
50:13
property they own in Saint John and they are one of the
50:15
largest landowners in Saint John. When
50:17
they were required by the parish council
50:20
to put that property on the tax rolls,
50:22
the parish's budget almost
50:24
doubled. From one year to the next.
50:27
That is the amount of money that was
50:29
being taken by one
50:31
of the world's largest oil
50:33
and gas companies from the people
50:36
of Saint John to give to their
50:38
shareholders. It was not a drop
50:40
in the bucket for the people of Saint John. That
50:43
money was the world, is
50:45
the world to them, and it was
50:47
nothing to marathon shareholders. But
50:50
it might not stay this way. Now,
50:53
the governor's term is up next year, and he
50:55
can't be reelected, he's term limited. And
50:57
we are almost certainly going to elect a
50:59
Republican governor in twenty
51:01
twenty three because the state of Louisiana is heavily
51:03
gerrymandered. And so what we are
51:05
facing right now is that unless this
51:07
change is protected, under state law,
51:10
the people of Saint John might lose
51:12
half of their budget. So after
51:14
all this doom and gloom, I
51:17
asked Jane the same thing. I've
51:19
asked everyone else, why
51:21
stay here? I am fighting
51:23
for all of us being able to
51:26
hold the thing sacred that we hold sacred,
51:28
which include our ancestors, which include this
51:30
land, which include the clean air and the clean water.
51:33
And that is something that we have to to have
51:35
optimism toward. Because what else do
51:37
we have? We believe this place is magical
51:40
and it's special. And it should
51:42
be enjoyed by people who've been here for five
51:44
and people who've been here for five minutes. And
51:46
it should not be
51:49
further pillaged and ravaged by
51:51
these companies and buy this
51:53
broken
51:54
extractive, harmful political system.
51:56
It just shouldn't. We
52:00
wanted to give you just a glimpse
52:03
into the power struggles in Louisiana.
52:05
Just an idea of what Sharon was
52:08
really up against. She compared
52:10
herself to David fighting alive.
52:13
But the more she gave buoyed
52:15
by knowledge and the strength of her community,
52:18
the stronger she got You
52:21
could argue by now. She's
52:23
the
52:23
goliath.
52:24
I didn't think we would rule on all accounts.
52:27
And that's the part I got to make every
52:29
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