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Welcome to Literary License Podcast, retrospective of Batman,

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the animated series, and the new adventures of Batman and Robin,

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where we explore four episodes from the classic 90s television show.

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Hello, welcome to the Literal License Podcast. This is Batman Winkle.

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We're discussing four episodes of Batman. And before we get started, let's find out who's with us. We've got Sean Steffen with us. Hello, Sean.

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Hello, everyone. We've got Joe Randazzo with us. Hello, Joe.

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Hey, everyone. And Vicky Ray. Hello, Vicky. Hi, everybody.

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And I'm your host, Keith Shogun. Before we get started, let's find out what you've been up to.

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Starting with you, Sean, what have you been up to since last time we spoke to you?

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You well since the last time i was here i went to hawaii for two weeks it was

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a lovely lovely time and a great time to get away beautiful weather out there

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food was fantastic and it was a nice,

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recharging of the batteries but since i've been back i signed up for the amca

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list the first month was only a buck so i've been mainly seeing a bunch of movies

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i saw a seven different movies so i'm just going to give you a quick thoughts

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on all of them and if you want to talk about them we We can talk about them.

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I saw Ghostbusters, Frozen Kingdom, or Frozen Empire.

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Yeah, Frozen Empire. I'm getting the two names. Kong Godzilla one's confused too. Ghostbusters Frozen Empire.

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That one, if you like the cartoon, you'll probably like it. I didn't really mind the nostalgia.

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Everyone says, oh, it's just built around nostalgia. I didn't really care about that. I knew what I was getting into with it.

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And it's a loving tribute slash love letter to Dan Aykroyd and his love of paranormal.

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You can tell that this one was really, it's a Dan Aykroyd race dance movie.

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And as he's really the one mentoring the young kids

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so i liked it but i understand if people think oh it's too nostalgic and whatnot

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i completely understand if they don't like the ghostbusters one right yeah it's

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the ghostbusters one it's not it doesn't got wolfgang hard hardened hard finn

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wolfhart yeah he's in it but it's he's kind of relegated to.

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That's the thing it's the majority of the movie takes place

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in the firehouse so it's weird

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it's it's almost a love letter to the firehouse as much as it is

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all things old ghostbusters so that's the

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reason why i felt a lot like the old an old episode of the real

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ghostbusters he spends most of the movie just fucking

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around with slimer who's living in the attic and they

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don't really explain why slimer is free

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and living in the attic but he's free and

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living in the attic and he's just eating all the food and

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he's fucking around with finn wolfhard the entire movie so yeah

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it's i thought it was okay kong godzilla i

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thought it was a fun popcorn movie i but

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nowhere near as good as minus one it's completely god nothing completely different

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animal altogether but i thought it was a fun popcorn movie a lot of fun my grandson

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liked it we had a lot of monsters that was the best part about it lots and lots

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of monsters i knew monsters

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i'll find the monsters who directed it though was it and one guard yeah or yeah

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adam one guard came back to do that one and it was written by the same person who wrote the guest

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and it kind of has a little bit and dan stevens came back for it and dan stevens

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that's a guy only thing i liked in that movie yeah he plays this weird i mean he spends her.

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Ace ventura meets the crocodile hunter a veterinarian

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to the kaijus as he's basically coming in

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with a giant industrial crane yeah it's

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what was the black guy's name again i always forget his name oh i forget his

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name conspiracy theorist character is so much fun i love that guy when they

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did that drop into the like the abyss or whatever he was shitting his pants

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all the way he is way Way more tolerable in this movie than he was in the last one.

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In fact, all the humans.

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He's a lot of fun to watch. The humans, which are usually the most insufferable

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part of all of these movies, with the exception of the of the Godzilla 2012

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or yeah, I think it's 2012. 14. Thank you. With the exception of those people, all the humans have been

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insufferable. They were way toned down this time.

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And I really and I thought that it was a perfect blend of everything that they were doing.

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So I liked it. what i saw immaculate and

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i saw the first omen i'm gonna say them together because

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they cancel each other out they're the exact same fucking movie uh

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it's not even i got angry in

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the theater because joe got pissed at me for taking him to

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go he didn't like

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the movie like all each other up let's make the same movie

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no i i it's it's the lombada effect no

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and the i want to i forget what it was but

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i i think it was like around the 30 minute mark i just turned to

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him i'm like it's the same fucking movie and the

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only difference was at the end first

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omen there's a loving loving tribute to the movie possession as

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as the lead character just has a full-on fucking

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meltdown isabella ajanti style and just

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beautiful to watch so aside from that

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immaculate's definitely the better of the two but yeah that that

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one soon stood out the issue the issue i.

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Had with the first omen is the first omen seems like the version

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where it's like like immaculate like not

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that either movie is subtle no but the

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the first omen seems to feel the need to

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tell you everything that they're showing you yes like

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that and the movie ends up being half an hour longer than immaculate and then

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there isn't there isn't ending that ties it all back together to the first to

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the original omen movie so i don't want to give away too much but does it tie

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it back properly or does it do a half-assed job like the prequels to alien.

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I'm trying to put this in a way where it doesn't spoil the end of the movie

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but i mean basically somebody's got a picture of gregory pack and they're like

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yeah this yeah you're right back Back where you started. Yeah.

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So basically, somebody from the government is getting ready to adopt. Okay, I got it.

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Yeah. I mean, the two movies are both an American girl goes to a convent in Italy.

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They both have a roommate who likes to party a lot.

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They both start having weird dreams. The 1960s, or does it take place now?

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Immaculate takes place now. The first Omen. Yes, the first Omen takes place in the 70s.

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Yeah, like nine months before the Omen begins.

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They both start to figure out that there's some kind of conspiracy going on

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and things aren't all what they see. Like, okay, these are literally the exact same movie.

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Both trying to bring about the Antichrist so that they can inspire populace.

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That's what they're doing. Well, I mean, that's what the Omen is. That's what the Omen is.

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That's what you have to do with the prequel, because that's to explain everything,

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so that way when you go into the Omen, there's no surprises if you've never seen the Omen before.

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Yeah, let's not give it too much, because... I really hate prequels,

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actually. I think prequels really ruin horror franchises.

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Yeah, they can. It depends. They usually do. Well, I mean, if you try to explain

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Freddy Krueger, or you try to explain Michael Myers,

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or you try to explain Jason Voorhees, it takes

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the mystique and everything off out of the out of the whole character that

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being said i did and although i'm

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not an overall fan of the movie i

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did find rob zombies halloween the

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first half more interesting than the remake

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of the second half when you were well the second half was just the original

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movie on fast forward on fast forward it's on 1.5 speed but

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the but the first half when you're going into the origin story

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although i didn't really care for the over for the the origin i thought i'm

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like i didn't really care for the white trash uh serial killer take but i'm

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just like i appreciated what they were doing with it and i found it interesting

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that they were going at least in that direction in a direction it really was

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like rob zombie does rosanne meets michael myers yes yes.

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We're near Lanford, Illinois. So, you know, Haddonfield was near Lanford.

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I remember the hate for that movie being so palpable.

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And then when I rewatched it last year for this podcast, I was like, it's not that bad.

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It didn't really deserve the hate. It didn't deserve that. It's real.

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But I think it's because of Sherry Zombie being in it, to tell you the truth.

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It's why everybody gets mad about it. No, I think the problem basically is, I think the reason why there's hatred for it,

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Even though the beginning of it's interesting And it's an interesting take But

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at the same time It does take away the whole Michael Myers Mystique It's all gone.

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He's just Jeffrey Dahmer

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In six foot form He starts killing

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animals Like a serial killer does When you

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ever watch enough serial killer documentaries They kill the

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animals that's the issue that's the

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issue trying to make a prequel to a horror movie is that it always it always

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ends up being the typical things that lead to somebody becoming a serial killer

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i was going to say yeah freddy's dead when we go into freddy's into the head

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of freddy when the daughter goes and sees his past what is he doing he's smashing

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a hamster with a hammer he's getting beaten and tortured by Alice Cooper. Alice Cooper.

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Of all people. Of all people. Are you ready, boy?

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I thought that was a nice touch, actually, but okay.

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Yeah, but the thing is... I'm going to take everybody in. The thing is, is like...

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You know, I've been watching these documentaries. They're about evil lives here,

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basically. I've been watching that. And I can tell you one thing.

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Sometimes people are just born bad. I'm sorry. Yeah.

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If you take Rob Zombie's Halloween, what would have made him even scarier is

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that if he came from a typical white-collar nuclear family.

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Which is what? The original Halloween? does oh the

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original halloween you don't need a backstory you just know that it's it's

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a well it's a well-off well-to-do family in the suburbs well

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that's what made that's what makes columbine so scary in the

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high school shooting because they come from normal families and that freaks

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everyone out they weren't that not now if they came from like you know some

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really like you know bad family you know you know the alcoholic and they're

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taking you know it comes out of a drug den When you left Watertown,

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though, there was quite a few burglars that came out of our schools.

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You'd be surprised. One of them, I knew one of them real well.

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He pushed me out in front of a car on Gale Street once. I mean,

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he started off killing animals. And then he killed the neighbors. No, but he killed the neighbors next door. Oh, I remember.

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And then you see the picture of

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him in the Watertown Daily Times and him watching him take the bodies out.

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You know, Charlie Padora, he was a fucking wacko, man. and I hated that I find

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that I find what makes killer what makes killers more scary is if you look at

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like let's look at your cast of serial killers per se.

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The most scarier ones are is Ted Bundy because he looks normal.

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Yeah. What makes them scary? The normal ones, the ones, you know,

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the Charles Manson, you're kind of looking, I'm like, he's a,

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how the hell did he pick up women? I know he was so, I guess he was charismatic. I don't get it.

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No, well, the thing is, if you take the life magazine picture of Charlie out

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of the picture, the one that they used on all the thingy and you look at normal

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pictures of Charlie, he wasn't bad looking, but to be honest, well.

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Whenever they show pictures of serial killers, They're always trying to find

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like the worst, the eyes. Well, the, yeah, the picture, the evil picture, but that's why Jeffrey Dahmer.

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Well, that's another reason. That's the reason why Jeffrey Dahmer is.

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Cause you can look at Jeffrey Dahmer and go, I can understand how he was able to pick up people.

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Well, he was a good looking man, actually.

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He wasn't ugly. But that's what, that's what makes them scarier when they're

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nice looking. It makes them scary when they're ugly. You just think, well, of course, I'm not surprised, you know?

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So what else did you see i saw i saw

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late night with the devil which i liked a lot a

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very very solid movie great kind of 70s

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documentary style feel to it behind the curtain of the late night talk show

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as they decide to have a live exorcism on the air and it's it's a lot of fun

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and i love all the cats is that the one where it goes all wacky goes all wacky

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i i've watched all of that I think I watched that. It just came out recently.

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I'm thinking of a different movie. They were doing a live ghost show.

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And then the devil came and everything went to shit. Are you thinking of Ghostwatch, the British one?

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No, it wasn't British. This one is basically like,

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Think of Johnny Carson does in that. Sounds exactly like something I watched a year ago.

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It's, it's, it wasn't out a year ago. It wasn't out a year ago. It only just came out.

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But same premise. And, uh, I, from doing in it, we'd got David. I can never.

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Yes. Malcolm. Del's Malcolm. Okay. Very skinny, gangly voice. He's very tall.

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He's cute, but he's not like, but I want to, And I don't want to not mention

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Paul F. Tompkins as the sidekick.

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Paul F. Tompkins does a fantastic job as the somewhat religious sidekick.

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He plays the Hank Kingsley almost in the way. And you see him like getting very, very nervous.

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The Hank Kingsley, Ed McMahon type that he seemed very, very nervous as this

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thing keeps on progressing and they're keeping the facts from them.

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It's really good one. I saw the ministry of ungentlemanly warfare,

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the new Guy Ritchie movie. Movie i did not expect to like this one

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as much as i did okay because i went into it

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knowing nothing i just knew it was it's april it's mid-april so it's time for

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a nazi killing movie because that's what happened last year with sisu and that's

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what's happening this year with this one it's just time to watch people gratuitously

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kill nazis and god this is a fun movie basically i knew nothing about it i'm

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not going to get too much into it apparently it's based off of a.

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Declassified file from Winston Churchill.

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A team of kind of the first special forces mission as a,

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League of unruly soldiers who can't be controlled go on essentially a suicide

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squad mission into to destroy the supply ships for German U-boats because the

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Americans cannot get past the Atlantic U-boat brigade and join the fight.

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UK is getting the shit kicked out of them. Everyone wants Churchill to resign or surrender.

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And so this is kind of his last ditch effort.

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And henry cavill alan ritson and alex

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pedifer i think is the guy's name and a few others they are

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just gratuitously stabbing and shooting nazis

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for two hours it is a feel-good movie of the year it's so much fun like inglorious

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bastard yes it is it is guy richie's inglorious bastard to the point that till

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schweiger one of my favorite movies till schweiger who played one one of the

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most brutal of the bastards. He actually is in this movie. Oh, he is a very feared Nazi.

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They never really, they're like, everybody, all Nazis are.

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Well, they never really explained why he's so dangerous, but everyone can just

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says, no, there's people to fear. And then everybody fears him.

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He's, he's the fucker. You do not want to, he does horrible shit. Yeah.

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And the beekeeper, in a way, it's just one of those things. Don't get me going

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on the beekeeper. I fucking love that movie.

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His scenes with Elsa Gonzalez, there's this impending sense of dread and doom

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in every single one of them. And I'm just like, and it kind of got me hooked into it more and more.

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But the movie is so gleeful in its Nazi killing.

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It's gleeful. They're just walking through, having a fun time with some silent

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Stoosies. I can't think of anything worse than killing Nazis.

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Sounds like a lot of fun to me, so there you go.

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It ended up being a lot more fun than I thought it would be.

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And the last one that I saw was Abigail.

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And here's what I will say about Abigail. If you have not seen the trailer for

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Abigail, do not watch the trailer for Abigail.

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If you have not seen it. Don't watch the trailer. I did not watch the trailer.

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All you need to know going into the movie, five shady individuals are hired

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by Giancarlo Esposito to kidnap and guard the daughter of a very powerful individual for 24 hours.

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Don't watch the trailer. Don't watch the trailer because part,

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although I'll explain in a minute, Knowing the twist that happens that is given

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away in the trailer will not ruin the movie for you.

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In fact, it probably what got me in the theater to begin with.

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But to experience that in a theater with a crowd or with some people for the

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first time untapped under it, I wish I would have had that. It's just the tone shift that you get.

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It's a lot of fun. Dan Stevens, two for two.

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I am loving Dan Stevens in everything this guy is in. He knows the roles he

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is signing up for, and he knows how to play his parts well.

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This movie is a lot of fun because it's all the people who play the roles.

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They know what they're doing. And yeah, highly, highly recommend that one. So a lot of fun. Yeah.

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Unfortunately, the big twist is given away in the trailer. So twist is given

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away in the trailer. So if you have seen the trailer, you know what I'm talking

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about. It's nothing I'm not spoiling anything. But if you have not seen the trailer and you want a fun night out at the movies,

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check this one out because it is a lot of fun.

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A good, brutal, a good horror comedy.

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That is a real treat.

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Dan Stevens is one of those odd actors because when he plays the queen or he

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was in the queen, he was he was in that he was on a TV series for a while as

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well. Legion. Yeah, he was in Legion. I've been meaning to check that out. now that it's on Disney Plus.

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It's like an X-Men spin-off series from FX where it's not set in the same universe

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but it's a little bit more R-rated, but the problem with it's not a problem but the fascination thing about Dan Stevens is like,

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sexy in the gas, quite nerdy in the Legion but he is really hard to recognize

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and of course he's in Beauty and the Beast again but he kind of walks him and

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every time you see him it's like, he's like Kate Blanchett, the male Kate Blanchett that he'd like,

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because his face keeps changing every time.

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It's kind of, you have to like, by halfway through, you're seeing him in something,

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he's like, oh my god, that's Dan Stephens. It takes you a while to realize it's him.

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It's like, I do like him. He's married to, I can't remember who,

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he's married to somebody. Yeah, I forget who it is too. I'm in with actress.

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I saw her on the red carpet with him. I forgot who it was though.

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He's turning into like a phenomenal actor. Well, he just won,

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I want to say he He just won an award for like consistent like hit movies that he's been in.

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It was like a four for four or something like that. So they gave him like some award and an award show.

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I guess maybe it was just something to get him to come out, but he's,

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he's just one of those guys you can't keep your eyes off of.

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So I highly recommend Abigail. It's a, it's a fun, fun trip.

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And he started off in downtown Abbey. That's what he started off.

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That's what he was in. Okay. Yeah. So, so Joe, what are you up to?

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Too so a lot of the same movies he did i i didn't see ghostbusters i didn't

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see the the league of extraordinary nazi killers or whatever the.

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Well i didn't got richie's inglorious bastard just say that and it's a little

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bit easier we're looking at the glorious bastards but i love immaculate i like the i like the first omen,

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immaculate i agree is a better movie partially because it's half an hour shorter

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also Sydney Sweeney shorter,

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shorter by half an hour there's a lot if you were going to watch one first one

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of them see Immaculate the Omen tax on stuff at the end that I was like okay,

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stretch it out the movie time at this point that being said if Sydney Sweeney

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recreated the scene from Possession like they did in First Omen be the movie of the year but you know,

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I did not Godzilla Kong I fell asleep Yeah,

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Like that bored the shit out of me. My big thing with that is if you're going

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to make the movie completely centered around CGI, at least make the CGI look good.

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That's the thing. The CGI did fall off. It was a lot worse than what it was before.

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And I know that the budget was cut. Well, the budget was shrunk for this one.

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And I think they do as good as Godzilla. Well, the franchise is going through

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this after seeing that this franchise is going through this weird thing.

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Where the first one hit kong skye

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skong skull island decent are they

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gonna like marvel out on us is what i'm wondering king king

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of monsters underperformed then a

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kong godzilla overperformed based on their

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expectations because they expected a drop off and

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it was during the pandemic or it wasn't a pandemic or

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it wasn't okay yeah it was it went to max the

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same day went to theater that's it still did well in

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the theaters enough it didn't made enough money in the in the

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theaters that everyone's just like holy shit all right and then this but

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it made enough money to piss off legendary to where they wanted to end their

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deal with warner brothers well yeah it underperformed into

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the ramax profits i don't blame them for that so now

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apparently they're talking again i don't know it right now

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we're in this whole flux where sony might be buying paramount

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and warner brothers is now can be sold

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as of april 1st so and it's uh

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as my good good friend lloyd kaufman posted the other day david

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zaslav just fight the downturn in warner

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brothers about in a nutshell i saw like in

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50 million dollar payday he got a 50 million dollar

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bonus so he just totally fucked people over yeah yeah that's what he does warner

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took a hit last year and he decided to he decided to pay he decided to give

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himself a bonus of 50 million dollars he was put in charge during the discovery

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merger to basically clean up the books raid stuff.

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Put stuff away get stuff for tax write-offs so he

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can make it more optional maybe line up some more assets in

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there so he can line it up for a sale he's canceled

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a lot of online he's and it's gotten to

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the point where it took a few years as they

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realized oh shit we own that yeah shut that down oh shit we own that i shut

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that down it's gotten to the point where youtube channels that i love they're

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because they're subsidiaries of warner brothers discovery maybe six or seven

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companies deep now they're being shut down yeah i'll miss you funhouse you were great.

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That's kind of a betrayal, it is. I mean, the problem a Godzilla might be facing

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in the future is what superhero movies suffer from.

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Yeah. And the thing is, it's like... Too much.

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Well, it's not too much, but I think what happens basically is that you kind

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of have your Godzilla and your King Kong situation, which is fine.

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Yeah. And as you start adding more and more monsters to the thingy,

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what happens, you end up getting these empty kind of movies that are just based

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on action because they're not able... They're over-egging the pudding. it's a bit like spider-man 3 for

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instance yeah or or or or any

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or any like or any batman film like you look at you know the

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first batman by the time you get to the third batman because they've added too many

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villains and yes there's too much too much is

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getting lost in the mix also they lost with those they lost

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the plot they were at that point it was all about selling toys and making

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money instead of making it just a decent movie with kong godzilla i think that

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they did say if this one did well which it is they they got one more and they

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got one more idea in them But what I told Joe when I left the theater was it

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felt it was a it's the fifth movie in a joint Godzilla Kong franchise.

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It knows exactly what it is. And it felt more like a Toho Godzilla than anything.

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It felt like a man in suit movie. And only instead of man in suit. Yes. It did. It did.

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It's a lot of CGI. It was a lot of CGI. It bothered me too much.

25:25

Was there probably, there probably was destruction.

25:29

Oh my God. The pyramids of Giza. I was like screaming.

25:34

Just said that that could happen already happened with this movie.

25:39

Just already happened with this movie. All these archeological landmarks.

25:43

I was just like, I was like, are you kidding me?

25:45

They destroyed the pyramids. Oh my God. I was like, what the fuck?

25:49

Godzilla is sleeping in the Coliseum of Rome.

25:53

You suddenly get visuals in this thing. I'm just like, God, it's funny. You know what?

25:57

I'm turning my brain off during this. It's the same thing I do when I watch

26:00

a Fast and Furious movie. I turn my brain off. Yeah.

26:02

Unless I'm not getting any, I'm going to have some junk food right now.

26:05

And I'm just going to enjoy some. That's the only way to do it. CGI monsters.

26:11

So basically kong and dogzilla are basically team america basically yes my favorite

26:18

part though there's a great moment when godzilla and kong finally see each other

26:22

face to face and kong all right buddy i wanted to hold up oh shit wait i'm trying

26:29

to tell you something man, the little baby kong is cute but it's not enough to carry,

26:37

baby kong and beats other monsters with

26:40

baby kong isn't he a little bit little baby

26:43

kong whatever he is godzilla gives king kong

26:46

a suplex for god's sakes off of the pyramids it's

26:50

one of those things where i'm just like this is it's i know

26:53

what i'm getting with these movies yeah you know what you're getting into

26:56

if you review any and i love it so kong

26:59

has a millennial well nice yeah yes he

27:03

does might be fine for the for

27:06

the next one for the next one just don't just make it

27:08

not suck yeah and then i'll probably put another one out here's what you do

27:14

to make it if you 30 more dan stevens just crank up the dan stevens factor in

27:18

that and we're good i like the soundtrack to all their movies though they got

27:22

great soundtrack so oh yeah i mean that's That's the name of the game now.

27:27

You take hit songs and you sprinkle them in and you try to get people to forget

27:32

how lousy the movie is. How bad it is. It's fucking terrible.

27:36

Oh, it was entertainment value. It was entertaining.

27:40

I'm not going to say anything about kids liking it. Kids can like it.

27:43

I'm with you guys. I was expecting a little more.

27:47

It was kind of a garbage movie.

27:51

It was a little long too. It was way too long. It was not as long as the last

27:56

one. It was just under two hours. So that I appreciate it. But the last one was good.

28:02

That's true. It doesn't matter how long the movie is if it's good. Yeah. I rewatched it.

28:10

I like this one more than the last one. I gotta be honest. I like this one more than the last one.

28:15

I found the humans to be insufferable. That's the right, wrong opinion.

28:20

No. I found the humans to be insufferable in the last one. I was hoping all

28:24

the humans would die in this one. I don't know about you.

28:28

They weren't as bad this go-round.

28:30

Aside from the little girl and Dan Stevens, they could have all died and that would have been fine.

28:35

I didn't mind Rebecca Hall. Dan Stevens is great in this. I will say that.

28:39

Dan Stevens is fucking great. I think his name is Brian David Tyree or David

28:43

Brian Tyree. It's one of those two.

28:48

He's less annoying as the conspiracy theorist this go around.

28:52

I don't know. I thought the conspiracy theories were pretty funny.

28:55

Now I get a kick out of it. That guy knows what he's talking about.

28:58

No one fucking believes him. Yeah. He's hawking kaiju insurance on his podcast.

29:03

I'm just like, see that's the type of shit that i'm like all right we've reached

29:07

the world building we're like okay these are a daily occur or these are a monthly

29:10

time you could show it could show it destroy everything see i i like that little

29:16

that little sort of world building i like that stuff,

29:19

so i also saw late night with the devil i'm not going to gloss over it like

29:22

sean did late night with the devil is fucking excellent i wanted to save something

29:26

for you go ahead uh it's fucking excellent david dasmalkian's excellent i like the yuri geller type.

29:38

Spoonbender psychic at the beginning that they trot out huh with the little

29:45

girl no no before that this obvious charlatan that they bring out as as a psychic

29:51

who actually who actually has The spirit of whatever I don't want to give away,

29:57

but whatever is in there Contact or speak through him I love that aspect of it Paul F.

30:03

Tompkins, of course, is great Because he's great in everything If you've ever

30:07

seen BoJack Horseman He's Mr. Peanutbutter One of the best characters on that show Because he's just so oblivious

30:15

To everything going on in reality The effects were good The casting was good And it's all, you know.

30:24

This is unfortunately unfortunately or unfortunately

30:27

this is where we are with movies now is that

30:30

you have to is that if it's not something that's an existing

30:33

property you have to make it as cheaply as possible they

30:36

figured out a way to do it but you know all the action takes place basically

30:40

in like a handful of locations but it's mainly the set of a talk show where

30:46

he has this little girl come on who was a survivor of like this horrible event

30:52

and again i'm trying to i'm trying to.

30:54

Keep things kind of vague so she comes on with with her therapist

30:57

i guess is best thing to call a psychologist yeah or

31:00

a psychologist or something like that psychologist yeah

31:04

and you start learning more

31:07

about about this squeaky clean i

31:10

loved my wife image that david das malkian has

31:13

you know he has a wife who in the first

31:16

the first montage of the movie it explains you

31:19

know he he's uh he's on tv he's a successful you

31:22

know successful but he's he's never quite as successful as carson and

31:26

he marries this beautiful wonderful actress she gets

31:29

cancer she gets sick she dies and you

31:32

know he leaves tv for a year or so whatever

31:35

it was it was just a month

31:38

just a month oh don't forget and there's

31:41

there's also this looming specter of this alleged association with a secret

31:47

society yes let's leave let's leave it at that yeah so yeah you kind of start

31:53

to you kind of start to see the the facade of the facade that he built for himself kind of fall apart.

31:59

It's absolutely excellent probably my favorite movie my favorite horror movie

32:04

of the year so far yeah that's fair oh yeah that's fair that's fair it's it's

32:13

that it's abigail and it's immaculate that are just fantastic,

32:17

and obviously Abigail is the other one that is just amazing.

32:23

Like Sean said, the less you know going in, if you can avoid the trailer if

32:27

you haven't seen it already, but I feel like I've seen this trailer in almost

32:31

every movie I went to this year Which trailer, Gale?

32:35

Abigail So yeah, if you see I find it hard to believe that people haven't seen

32:42

the trailer yet, but Vicky says she hasn't so maybe or maybe you just don't remember it and then just go see

32:47

the movie sometimes when I see trailers like if movies are you know that they

32:51

do that in the beginning of the scene I just you know I'm doing something else or,

32:55

If you think you might not have seen the trailer, then don't see it.

32:59

Just go blind into the movie.

33:02

Abigail is fantastic. You're saying the trailer gives too much away, guys?

33:06

It gives away the twist of the movie. There's a mid-movie.

33:11

Well, because they want to get you in the theater. Yeah, because the twist of

33:15

the movie is the most interesting thing in the movie. I openly admit, I don't know if I would have seen the movie had I not known the twist.

33:21

Because that was part of the sell for me. well the first

33:24

if you look at the first trailer it doesn't give the twist away but the

33:27

week the week or two weeks before the film came out they

33:30

gave a new trailer it was a lot of way no the first trailer in theaters uh it

33:34

gave it away i did it give it away okay because i did see one that they didn't

33:38

really give it away but then the second one you do see the the bite happening

33:42

i'm just like oh okay which i don't get me wrong it's a hilarious tone shift for this

33:50

movie and you're either with it or not and i

33:53

have my own and it's one of those things once enough time passes i

33:56

have my own theory of why this movie was made and what

33:59

brought about this movie but it's it kind

34:02

of reminds me it has a template i mean i haven't seen it yet but it kind of

34:04

reminds you the template of like you're next or the

34:07

other one where the kids are breaking into that blind man's

34:11

house and then you have the shift don't don't

34:13

don't breathe or don't breathe ready or not yeah

34:17

ready or not it's a big one yeah you also get a little house on

34:20

haunted hill vibe because uh giancarlo esposito basically

34:23

locks them in the house it's like okay yeah this is locked down for the night

34:29

once i lock this door nobody's getting out till morning and that's that happens

34:34

here so it's got a lot going for it definitely check out abigail if you like sean Sean said,

34:40

if you haven't seen the trailer, don't. Just go in blind.

34:45

It'll be so much more satisfying in the middle.

34:49

What else? Oh, yeah. The Guardian. William Friedkin's The Guardian.

34:55

Yeah, we watched that. I fell asleep. Is that the one where she's in love with a tree?

35:02

Yes. And it is wild. I did not expect any of this.

35:06

I was just like, alright. it's a movie Jenny Agater from Logan's Run is it Jenny

35:10

Agater from Logan's Run no it was Jenny Seagrove Jenny Seagrove that's it yeah

35:16

absolutely wild absolutely insane did not expect it not necessarily good,

35:24

it's one of those movies where I'm like what the fuck was he thinking yeah,

35:28

it felt like an italian horror movie at points like

35:32

this would not have felt out of places like uh an early

35:35

80s dario argento film like phenomenon or

35:38

something like that um it's just

35:41

such a wild such a wild premise you get

35:45

yeah you get she's she's like a tree

35:48

person and the wolves are protecting

35:51

her and the wolves start attacking anybody who sees

35:54

her who either harms her or sees her at one point

35:57

there's a a gang of roving rapists because

36:00

apparently those were a thing in the 80s that tried you

36:03

seen any movie huh have you seen

36:06

any action movie from the 80s right and they all think that's the thing about

36:10

80s villains 80s villains just do it for the love yeah they do it for the love

36:14

of of committing crimes and cocaine and hollering yes whether when they're robbing

36:20

robbing a liquor store killing old ladies or raping women in the park they're like Like, whoa,

36:24

yeah, this is what we were born to do.

36:28

Who's been hollering the whole time? And it's always amazing because they get,

36:31

like, someone who's really into that and getting it.

36:34

And finally, you know, finding their group, finding their appreciation group

36:38

to join together and be able to do this. Yes.

36:41

It's like, we saw people on the internet. How did they meet?

36:44

What are we going to do next? There's an old lady crossing the street. Let's go burn her. Yeah.

36:50

Hit the gas. Yeah. Oh, God.

36:54

It's like every action every action movie the 80s

36:56

has like the death i was wondering how these people

36:59

meet because i mean on the internet you can understand how they meet because you

37:02

can bring people close and shit whatever have your

37:05

little secret group going on but back then what they did to meet in a bar it's

37:09

like oh i'm into raping women so let's go you just bring it up as a joke you

37:18

know i could really go for raping a woman and murdering an old lady right about now oh Oh, you too?

37:24

Let's do it i got my friend fred he can come along as well.

37:30

What should we do for buddy let's go rob liquor stores.

37:34

But that's what that's what these movies face that's what the villains

37:37

of these but yeah this roving gang of rapists it just

37:40

happens to be in the park at the same time as her she gets

37:43

them to chase her into the area where the where the tree thing

37:46

that she belongs to resides and then

37:49

the wolves come out and attack the guys so i'm like oh okay well

37:52

this movie's wild it's not necessarily good but

37:55

there is the baldiness of it that william fridkin's like yeah we're gonna make

38:00

this movie about this about this woman who's who's part tree and she's gonna

38:07

sack you're gonna sacrifice babies to this tree god and she's gonna have wolves

38:12

do her bidding and And I'm like, all right, fuck it. That doesn't sound like any downside to me.

38:18

It's called The Guardian. It came out like 1990. Yeah.

38:22

It runs at its own pace as well, though. There's a lot of slogging going in

38:27

between things, I remember. And it's only 92 minutes, which the fact that it kind of slogs a little. Like, ugh.

38:33

Yeah. So, yeah, there's points where it's like, okay, can we speed this up?

38:37

I get what's going on here. But, yeah, when it's going, it's fun.

38:43

Because it's just so goofy and out there that it just is amazing.

38:49

I think that's it for what I've seen lately that's been like standing out.

38:54

Yeah, I've been helping a lot of people in the area with their auditions for

38:58

Lloyd Kaufman's next movie. So that's been eating up a lot of my time too.

39:04

What about yourself, Vix? What have you been up to?

39:09

Oh, a lot. Lots on my plate for sure. but

39:12

i did see godzilla that was good we

39:15

talked about that i i the kids loved it

39:18

that's all matters to me i was kind of you know the same way the

39:21

boys are over here but i was wanting godzilla zero

39:24

i'm spoiled to that now because it's not ever going to be as good as that so

39:29

i'm gonna get it in my hand that it ain't gonna happen so other than let they

39:34

come up with a new movie which i think they got one in the works but yesterday

39:37

was kind of getting better outside we've been stain and it's been miserable

39:41

the last three days, Keith probably could tell you.

39:44

It's been raining to the point where if I were to build a fucking ark,

39:47

I mean, jeez. Well, Saturday here...

39:51

The thunder and lightning started at six in the morning and it was so loud that it shook the place.

39:59

My cat jumped from the end of the bed to the top of the bed.

40:03

Mike is barking all over the place. And it was like that for the whole day up

40:07

until like nine o'clock at night. It just trained across us all day.

40:10

It was just one of those things. It was just not that. I watched Arsenic and Old Lace because I was bored. So I put on all these old,

40:17

I watched all these old movies. I love Arsenic and Old Lace. i forgot how good that

40:21

was and there was so much shit in it that i miss

40:23

every time and there's something i see every time i

40:26

watch it that i totally missed the first time can't go

40:29

wrong with that movie the only problem i have with arsenic and

40:32

lace and it's not it's not really a problem but i i

40:36

really wish they because boris karloff

40:39

was in the original broadway production right right and i would i

40:42

just wish they put him in the movie because all those jokes i

40:45

never noticed before but they're

40:48

always saying yeah he looks like boris carloff and i

40:51

just can't stop laughing it's like i never noticed that and

40:54

raymond massey does look a little bit like him so you

40:57

can get a lot like him in this because they got him all scarred up you know

41:01

they got him looking you know he's not looking like abraham lincoln like he

41:04

did before yeah but apparently they could they went they wouldn't let release

41:08

boris for from a contract or something He would have been so good in that.

41:15

He eventually did it in a TV version that's on YouTube. I didn't know there

41:19

was a TV version, really. And he does it in the radio play as well that you can get on the Criterion. No shit.

41:27

I just love that old stuff. If you look on YouTube and you look for Arsenic

41:31

and Old Lace 1962, Boris Karloff is playing Jonathan Brewster in that version. It's not nearly as good.

41:39

Well, because the thing is outside of everyone else outside of,

41:44

carrie grant and priscilla lane the

41:47

other ones are all from the broadway production the old ladies and teddy

41:50

are all from the broadway production so was peter

41:52

lorry in the broadway production i think so huh it

41:57

was great that too it was it was just carrie

42:00

grant i mean he was just such a good nut job and they were all

42:02

great nut jobs i don't know i mean it was just it was

42:05

just it's just that great though fast talking carrie grant

42:08

is my favorite carrie grant i love him he's such a nut

42:11

job just the just the looks on his face the close-ups you

42:14

know when they get the goofy close-ups of his face and he's

42:17

extremely good looking as the normal man as well yeah yeah

42:21

very attractive in that movie as well i uh well i watched all eight episodes

42:26

of spiderweb it was free on roku i don't know if anybody's heard that i actually

42:30

liked it christian slater plays the the mean ogre in it and it looks like they're

42:36

definitely setting up for a second season of it But I enjoyed it a lot.

42:40

And then I watched this one I hadn't seen before with Sean Bean.

42:42

Oh, actually, I have insomnia bad today. Sean Bean and Maria Bello. It was called The Dark. It was just like so tragic and sad.

42:52

You know, I love her. I love her ever since I think she was a big driver.

42:56

I think I want to say the first movie I've seen her in.

42:58

That movie was just a great movie.

43:02

I thought it was a great movie. But I love her movies.

43:05

I love anything Sean Bean's in. But other than that, we're just doing doing

43:10

life. Not a whole lot going on. I just put they just put Sean Bean back in the Hitman video game so you can

43:17

have your chance to kill him. No, don't kill Sean. I love him. No, that's his gimmick. He dies and everything.

43:24

To be fair, his character is called the nickname the Undying.

43:28

I'm waiting patiently though, because the guy finally wrote another for the

43:34

Game of Thrones shit. That guy takes forever to write a fucking book.

43:37

But the House of Dragons is finally coming back.

43:41

Finally. You know, so I'm waiting to see how close they're going to keep it to the books.

43:46

Because only the first The first season of Game of Thrones was the only part

43:50

of that whole series that was close to the books.

43:53

Other than that, they just totally went off the rails.

43:56

Well, I mean, how's a dragon? It's going to be interesting.

44:01

They're going to have to tie it into the... Eventually, they're going to have

44:04

to go in that direction, aren't they? They got to. Eventually.

44:09

So, we'll see how this... I'm told I need you. That's all I remember.

44:12

I'm going to tear that one up. lots of incest for all you guys that are into incest this is your show.

44:20

It's a game the whole family can play so yeah ain't good enough for my family

44:25

ain't good enough for yours i think it was at the end of season two i started

44:30

referring to it i'm like yeah so how's your little incest and dragon show i

44:35

didn't think i'd ever watch it but i i bitched the whole

44:39

thing during covet loved it kept up with the

44:42

rest of it so i stopped nothing else to fucking do okay

44:45

i just suffered terribly during that whole thing i for me hitman hitman 2 and

44:53

uh mad max the video game got me through covet but uh mad max mad max the computer

44:58

game was excellent it was a perfect way to get through uh escape from the pandemic

45:02

the rage just the rage yeah.

45:06

What about you, Keith? What have you been doing other than thunderstorms?

45:10

Well, I have to sit there and say I love the thunderstorm.

45:13

I just sat laid in bed and watched TV and had the window.

45:16

I love them as long as the spinny shit. I just watched the lightning and thunder for the whole day.

45:21

I'm glad I had, you know, I was going to go to the flea market on that day,

45:23

so I'm glad I didn't get up. Oh, yeah, I forgot about the flea market.

45:26

It's on today, though. Yeah. I'll do it in a couple of weeks. but other than

45:31

that my watch this fantastic series on max called the

45:34

power of film excellent it's

45:38

like it's like going to a like watching a film course it's

45:41

like and the guy who does it teaches film at columbia and he

45:44

he hosts it and he breaks down each film and the

45:46

reason why they're our favorites and why you know

45:49

and why we like these kind of films and it he

45:52

does a fantastic job he really gets into the the

45:55

interworkings of film and the love of film so i

45:59

would highly suggest just that a film

46:02

on shutter i suggest people watch is baghead horrible title

46:06

but excellent film oh baghead i

46:09

didn't finish watching that i got halfway through it

46:12

really good i mean it's got back to it it's

46:15

english it has this um really good premise and it

46:18

has enough twists and turns that it keeps you engaged and.

46:21

The acting in it is really very well

46:25

done as well so but outside of

46:28

that oh i watched another film on max as well called

46:31

the fear of night where basically he

46:34

has this group of women and these killers show up at

46:37

the door and the one woman's

46:40

fought in iraq and let's just don't say that i didn't see it i thought he really

46:44

you know gets her gets her own back let's sit there and say that you don't want

46:48

to mess with her which was a quite a not was a quite nice thing because she

46:52

wasn't the weak person she was strong from the beginning and And all the girly

46:56

girls around her don't know what to make of her because she's too strong.

46:59

But it's a really interesting film, actually.

47:02

And I saw some A24 films that are on Max, because they're doing an A24.

47:06

There's a whole bunch of them. There's a lot of them I never even heard of.

47:09

I didn't know they had them out. Well, I'm very familiar with their horror stuff.

47:14

This is like, I didn't realize. I mean, just regular films.

47:17

Yeah, like Red Rocket was very good. And I thought,

47:20

so I haven't really been in, I haven't really seen a

47:23

lot of their dramas and they're off becoming a good film

47:26

they're just they just got hopefully they stay stay successful they've

47:29

got a good a good thing going so they're always

47:33

i think whatever happens they'll always be good on the award season

47:36

so yeah friend of mine suggested a movie there's called they come at night and

47:40

i have not seen it yet it's joel edgerton that one didn't we yeah we did that

47:44

oh you guys did that one yeah i've never seen it it's good it's a little unnerving

47:50

yeah well What was kind of weird is that we did it before COVID.

47:54

Yeah, we did. And it was like a year before COVID. And then it was quite weird.

47:58

Then COVID happened. So it was like the whole... It was quite weird because...

48:03

The year before covid we covered like right before covid like a few months before

48:07

covid but we did we covered all these disease films like you know the mask.

48:14

Like oh my god on ourselves yeah that was when i was just like uh an occasional

48:21

an occasional guest on the show before i became a permanent fixture of the show

48:25

so yeah a lot of that stuff i i don't know what you've done before then i i

48:30

just picked out the movies i'm like oh yeah i I can talk about that one.

48:33

Yeah. And then I've been going down the Paul Verhoeven wormhole.

48:38

So I've got seeing all the watch wormhole, the Paul Verhoeven.

48:43

I'm really into, I mean, I like, I'm a huge Paul Verhoeven fan.

48:46

So I like spedders and Turkish delight.

48:49

So I've been watching all the old Dutch films that he did before he went to America.

48:53

And then, you know, of course I watched RoboCop and I saw the remake of RoboCop

48:57

again. Cause I saw it at the movie theaters. Didn't like it. Saw it a second time.

49:01

Still don't like it it's not like the first

49:04

one it's well i mean i

49:06

thought it's the first one if they suffered the life out of it oh i know where

49:10

they went wrong with it the thing is is like keeping the family trying to keep

49:14

the family together was one of the big things that was kind of wrong with it

49:18

the samuel jackson thing in the commenting on it didn't quite work though

49:25

he's fantastic in it, but he doesn't say Samuel L.

49:27

Jackson is a Bill O'Reilly doing his thing. Yeah. It's that doesn't work.

49:31

Cause they've got kind of like it. What is he? Is he getting paid by OCP?

49:35

It's like, I don't know. Yeah. It just felt flat. That was the thing with that. Just felt.

49:42

Though when they take his body apart and then they put it back.

49:45

That was great body horror. I love that. Yeah. That was the one aspect of the movie that still sticks with me.

49:51

And the, and the Swedish actor, I mean, he's not

49:54

bad i kind of feel sorry that you know he kind

49:57

of got lumbered in that so because i think he's not

50:00

a bad actor because he you think he's american he looks

50:03

american you know what i mean but he's not he's part of

50:06

the scars guard not he's not a member of their family but he's a long family

50:11

friend that brigade yeah so he uh he's in the suicides he played rick flag in

50:16

the suicide squad movies he's a decent actor i've seen him in a bunch of stuff

50:20

yeah so so yeah I haven't seen Bernadette yet.

50:24

I have the Blu-ray. I bought it last year, and I'm like, I got to watch it at

50:28

some point. Just have another time. Yeah, Bernadette's good. That's an excellent film. Black Books,

50:33

another good one by him as well. Stuff that he's come out with, now he's gone back when he went back.

50:38

It was very good in the Netherlands. Now he's coming back to America,

50:42

so I'm quite excited about that. And I'm going through the Planet of the Apes series because the 8th is the new

50:47

film, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.

50:50

So yeah, I'm going down my Planet of the Apes wormhole I go down once a year.

50:53

So I'm getting all worked up for the 8th of May. So that's me.

50:58

Music.

51:25

And that brings us to Batman the Animated Series. Our first episode is The Lion and the Unicorn.

51:32

The international terrorist known as Red Claw strikes again and kidnaps Alfred,

51:35

luring him into a trap on his native England.

51:38

Alfred once worked for the British Secret Service and Red Claw has learned he

51:41

was entrusted with the firing code to a hidden long-range missile.

51:46

Batman and Robin have to rescue Alfred before Red Claw learns the firing code

51:50

or else she will use the missile to bring England to its knees.

51:53

Geez so sean what's your thoughts of the line in

51:56

the unicorn this was a very alfred centric episode

51:59

we got to go into the past of alfred a little bit learn about his background

52:03

as a british special forces agent he had it was responsible enough for guarding

52:10

nuclear codes apparently to

52:13

the point that one of his fellow agents is in trouble he drops everything

52:18

immediately and goes flies to england

52:21

to find out what's going on so much so that it

52:23

immediately kind of alerts batman and

52:26

robin a something's not right here he dropped every even if

52:29

something was an emergency he'd still clean up the kitchen before he'd leave

52:33

he did the fact they didn't that was their warning sign so they go to england

52:37

to go find out they find that he's been kidnapped by red claw and red claw is

52:42

a villain that i forget about always it's nothing Nothing really too fancy about Red Claw.

52:47

Which is very much. I'm like Talia. Yeah.

52:50

It's very, very Talia without the backstory, just to, you know, Russian Chinese spy.

52:56

I think I, the way that she's drawn, I don't know exactly where she's from.

53:01

Just, I just assumed with Red Claw communist spy.

53:05

So Kathleen Turner's body. Yeah, pretty much.

53:08

And, and yeah, it's from there.

53:12

It's, you get to, they try to mentally break

53:15

uh alfred and his counterpart to get these codes and

53:18

it's a race against time for batman and robin to go after him didn't joe

53:21

didn't you say he looked like david i was gonna say who knew alfred's cousin

53:26

was david niven cousin in a name only it's it's the espionage parliaments for

53:33

a fellow agent kind of cool that alfred has a badass background so well it's

53:38

it's now experience now they have a whole series about this essentially pennyworth i just did this episode that

53:44

probably spawned pennyworth this year that's what i'm kind of curious about

53:47

is did the uh was this in the comics or was this just something that they added

53:51

for this episode that they said hey well this is in his backstory now let's

53:55

let's dig into this maybe we can do something with this later on so it also

53:58

reminds me of that english film. That's a true story about Benedict Cumberbatch, where basically the mathematician

54:05

where he's trying to get the secret code to break the code breaking.

54:09

They're breaking the code. And it kind of had a little bit of that in there as well. And you're kind of

54:12

going and this is way before that movie came out. So you kind of like, I wonder if this is like spark certain things out,

54:19

you know, later sparked off because Pennyworth basically is just,

54:23

you know, the early days of Alfred.

54:26

And basically this episodes with this episodes is told about Alfred.

54:30

So it's almost like this episode has actually spawned off

54:33

a TV series for DC which is decent

54:36

actually it's up there with the Gotham TV series Gotham

54:39

I still have to check I've seen a couple of things here and there from Pennyworth

54:43

but I haven't really put any investment into it I'll check it out I mean I love

54:47

Gotham I thought that was just kind of like absurd bonkers realm in terms of

54:52

like what you could do with these characters and just like the over the top

54:55

nature of it all so yeah but if something a little bit more grounded that can be fun,

54:59

Now, am I having a fever dream, or did I have a weird fever dream,

55:03

or was there a Batman villain called Tigress that had, like,

55:08

the exact same body shape and look as Red Claw?

55:12

I am going to look up right now. I know of a villain named Tigress.

55:17

I just don't know if it's a Batman. I think it was on this series.

55:20

Why does that sound familiar, though? It does sound familiar.

55:23

I mean, it is a pretty generic name. Well, it's a thing, and it's a very generic name. Tigress. he does have that

55:29

claw mark across his shoulder it looks more like a paw.

55:33

She should have been called the red paw there is a Batman Beyond villain called

55:38

Tigress I'm just gonna say Batman the animated series.

55:43

Well with some Batman Beyond maybe that's where I maybe I saw it that probably

55:49

was like a Batman Beyond is quite interesting because it's so far set in the

55:54

future a lot of the villains are basically kind of spawned off,

56:00

there was a names genetically enhanced

56:03

animal with the name of tigress oh

56:07

yes the one with on catwoman on the island yeah that's the

56:10

one tiger tiger that that was that's what it was okay so it didn't have the

56:14

look of this one maybe i'm just getting the character and spell a t-y-g-r-u-s

56:20

yeah it's spelled difference yeah so yeah yeah yeah that's I remember it was

56:25

Tigress with a T-Y. That's nothing for me anywhere.

56:29

Okay, so never mind. It was the island of Dr. Moreau-ish. Yeah,

56:33

you're thinking of the right name. It's just...

56:36

For some reason, I just... Yeah, that episode was a comeback.

56:41

They did share the same body, I think, because they had that same kind of... Just an animal form.

56:46

Maybe that's why I was a little confused. I was like, wait, wasn't this Tigress?

56:50

They had that hourglass woman and character in Tigress as well.

56:55

There's no ugly women on this. They're not drawn ugly at all.

56:58

Except if you're old, maybe, on here. Yeah, I was going to say,

57:01

the older women are drawn ugly. I mean, everybody's just like you know, hourglass figure.

57:07

And the men are very square. They're jaws.

57:10

That's a fact. And their upper body's very boxy. Yeah.

57:16

But they're so buff, you know. Little bitty ass, big buff top.

57:20

Is that Italian Giorgio Armani look where it's built for a triangle body? Yeah.

57:27

It's like all these guys skip leg day. No, it's not important.

57:31

It's the Italian cut though. If you look at Italian cut clothing,

57:35

you can either wear it or you can't but you have to have that triangle body.

57:38

You have to have the broad shoulders and the narrow waist because they're all cut like that.

57:44

I quite like this episode. I like when you get a backstory and it's It's interesting

57:51

to see the whole history behind Alfred. So you kind of think,

57:56

The only thing that you're not quite sure of is how did he become a butler for

57:59

the Wayne family? Because he was a butler for a long time.

58:02

So it's kind of like, yeah, that's that's the thing that gets me is I'm like,

58:06

so did they intentionally hire somebody as their butler?

58:09

I'm wondering if maybe him watching over Thomas and Martha or maybe him watching

58:15

over Thomas was it was a job, was an op.

58:18

You never know. And maybe this is a very powerful, influential person in Gotham.

58:23

And then maybe he decided you know what i they

58:26

took him in maybe i who knows i mean like

58:29

it's it's always been one of the one of the points of

58:32

contention with me with the with the narrative of thomas wayne is he's this

58:37

big well-to-do very important person but he just happens to be going down that

58:42

that fucking he happens to be going down crime alley the aptly named crime alley

58:47

but with just his wife and kid and no protection so that he could get shot.

58:52

Well, the most thinking of his kid who was scared. He had other things on his

58:57

mind. He wasn't thinking straight. But I'll put one thing about Thomas Wayne that you have to put in have to put in.

59:05

To the theory part of it though whenever you see

59:08

thomas wayne it's through the eyes

59:11

of his son yes yeah it's never it's

59:14

never it's never you're never watching him from afar

59:17

or watching him from someone else's point of view it's always

59:20

from his son and what do we do with our parents if they die or

59:23

what we do with people when they die we kind of glorify them so maybe

59:27

that has a lot to do with it because whenever we see thomas wayne or

59:30

ever hear about thomas wayne or anything like that about you

59:33

know the killing and stuff like this it's always through the eyes

59:36

of bruce wayne yeah every movie is through the eyes

59:39

of bruce wayne every you know animated series through

59:42

the eyes of bruce wayne about his god of

59:45

a father gets you know and the saint of

59:48

a mother gets you know killed in this alley but you don't really know anything

59:52

beyond that really he might i mean he might not have been do they have i mean

59:57

i've known that some of the movies and some some of the the cartoon stuff goes

1:00:00

back into his father's like origin that they don't really ever cover that.

1:00:06

Do they? What? Not really. And the thing is, if you look at Wayne man,

1:00:10

I mean, Wayne technologies and

1:00:12

the Wayne industry there, they got their hands in a lot of ropey stuff.

1:00:18

If you look at, I mean, like industrial wartime, like kind of crap.

1:00:23

I mean, you know, for sure.

1:00:26

If you look at the Batman, you know, You look at Batman Begins and the stuff

1:00:31

that makes Batman Batman and what he has access to.

1:00:34

Now, this is stuff that's supposed to be on the market to sell to international terrorists.

1:00:41

And he's using it for his own thing. So maybe Thomas Wayne is,

1:00:47

you know, I mean, the Batman's kind of going into that whole, that new movie series.

1:00:52

But, you know, maybe Wayne maybe Wayne Industries, which would cause,

1:00:59

maybe that's why Alfred's there, because if they're producing all this war stuff.

1:01:05

That's the thing. Who are profiting off of this? Is it like a Tony Stark thing?

1:01:10

Is he selling tech to people who could be terrorists? You never know. I mean, like it's...

1:01:15

Who is? Make another reappearance in the next movies they're talking about.

1:01:20

If you look at Batman in its early days, we're looking at 1940s so we're looking at post-war. Yeah.

1:01:29

And where does Wayne make his money in? Through war.

1:01:32

That's what you did because if you didn't lose your money in the stock crash,

1:01:37

and you're not poor in the depression and you're making money,

1:01:40

you made your money in the warmongering game. But this is all stuff that's way, way, way too complex to cover on a kid's show.

1:01:47

So, I don't know. Why introduce it in a kid's show at all?

1:01:51

Because I think that it adds a little bit more to Alfred that way maybe later

1:01:55

on you can have him getting a little bit more active with things.

1:02:00

I also think that Batman, you have to remember Remember the anime series started

1:02:04

off as a kid's show, but by this time it's, there was double doubling and watching

1:02:08

it at night because adults had picked up on it. Right. Right.

1:02:12

So, so I think, because if you notice is the, as the stories are quite complex for it. Right.

1:02:18

It seems like it's struggling with its identity. I'm quite surprised.

1:02:22

Cause like, I've never sat and actually watched these like y'all.

1:02:25

And I think the stories are very complex, but I mean, you know,

1:02:29

the stories are very complex, but I mean, at this point, it's definitely struggling with its identity.

1:02:33

We're approaching the end of season three, and I've looked at some of the slides

1:02:38

for volume four because I have my series digitally on Vudu.

1:02:42

I've looked at some of the slides and you can see the drop in animation quality.

1:02:47

So I know the drop is coming. I know what's about to happen.

1:02:51

So I'm enjoying this while I can, but yeah, you can tell you have these a little

1:02:57

bit more adult themed episodes where we're going to talk about a little bit,

1:03:00

and then you have one that's clearly designed at kids.

1:03:04

Yeah, and we will be seeing a shift. I appreciate how they reach out to the

1:03:10

whole audience, though. Just about every episode. They're very good at it. Very good.

1:03:15

I mean, at this time, I think what Batman kind of suffers from is that by this

1:03:20

time, the Justice League starts up. The Superman animated series starts up.

1:03:25

And I think that the team kind of gets stretched a bit thin and it starts showing.

1:03:29

They start putting all their attention to these other things.

1:03:32

Things and then the things kind of drop a little bit batman well the thing another

1:03:36

thing is you'll see that you know it becomes the product of you know what you

1:03:41

get with the partridge family or burking where i'm getting or brady bunch where

1:03:46

they decide to bring in you know cousin oliver, we're gonna get that oliver oh i forgot about

1:03:51

cousin oliver oh my god i forget about cousin oliver or

1:03:55

or gizmo or gizmo and the flintstones you know it's gonna

1:03:57

kind of suffer from that the great kazoo

1:04:02

i love kazoo or scrappy

1:04:06

scrappy do so joe why don't you like scrappy do that was a meme that i saw yesterday

1:04:14

was somebody somebody posted a meme that's that showed scrappy do shaking hands

1:04:18

with ronald reagan i know you guys hate scrappy because he was annoying i hate

1:04:22

him because he shook hands with Ronald Gregg. We are not the same.

1:04:26

Hey, they were both actors, okay?

1:04:32

I liked Scrappy-Doo, though. I was a little kid when Scooby-Doo came out, so I don't know.

1:04:41

Maybe I was still in that age group where I thought Scrappy-Doo was.

1:04:43

I miss cartoons like they used to be back in the 70s and 80s.

1:04:47

I mean, if you watch the Scooby-Doo movies, most of the Scooby-Doo movies Most

1:04:51

of the Scooby-Doo movies that they make now, the animated ones,

1:04:54

are still very similar to those old.

1:04:57

They try anyway to keep with the formula.

1:04:59

I think the thing is that,

1:05:02

I don't know if they do it too much now, but the thing is, you can always tell

1:05:07

when they want to keep ratings going.

1:05:10

It's like, oh, well, we need to go for the kid demographic.

1:05:14

We need to introduce some kind of child or they need to have a baby or whatever.

1:05:20

And it's got, you know... Which one wasn't where Velma was hot and gay? I cannot remember.

1:05:27

It was the last movie that came out. Wasn't the last one? Because that was just a miracle. And then there's the Valma

1:05:33

TV series that kind of sank without a trace.

1:05:37

Well, everybody hate watch to the point that they announced the season two.

1:05:41

See, people don't understand how to protest something like that.

1:05:44

We used to just not watch. Now people watch stuff because they want to hate

1:05:48

it and it gets a second season. So next time, just do what I do. I don't understand that mentality, though.

1:05:53

I don't get it. Hey, everybody's talking about it. Dude, it's the Simpsons thing

1:05:59

where the billboards all come alive during that Halloween episode.

1:06:03

And they're like, to stop the monsters, one, two, three, here's a great new

1:06:05

way that's trouble-free. It's got Paul Anka's guarantee.

1:06:09

Just don't look. Just don't look. Just don't look. And then the billboards all

1:06:14

start to fall over and die. But the thing is, I mean, if you really want people to see your movie and it

1:06:20

sucks, get people to complain about it and everyone to go see it.

1:06:26

I guess that's any, what is it, any publicity is good publicity is what they say.

1:06:31

Well, if you look at any of these movies that basically is like,

1:06:34

oh my God, it's so horrible. Well, let's take Human Centipede. Don't even.

1:06:41

Human Centipede is a good example. The first one fucked me up.

1:06:45

The human centipede is a great example, though, because the first one got all

1:06:48

the infamy just because of how fucked up the premise was.

1:06:51

But the movie itself was not as graphic to the point that Tom Six.

1:06:56

I thought it was extremely disturbing. He said, oh, you think that's what it is? He made a sequel.

1:07:03

What everyone thought and what everyone said his movie was.

1:07:07

That's what he actually did. Okay, so the sequel, the quick version is the first

1:07:13

one, two girls or three people get sewed together, asked a mouth by a mad scientist

1:07:18

in a German- Mad Nazi scientist.

1:07:21

So that's the first one. Second one literally begins with the first one ending

1:07:26

and then it pulls back and it's a black and white movie.

1:07:29

A guy, a nerdy, hunched over, schlubby, gross individual is watching the human

1:07:37

centipede. So in this world, the human centipede is a movie.

1:07:40

He works in a parking garage, and he gets inspired by watching the movie and

1:07:44

says, this is a completely wordless performance, he thinks, I'm going to do this myself.

1:07:53

So he starts picking up a crowbar, and I want to say about 50 minutes of this

1:07:59

movie is him going up to random people in this parking garage,

1:08:03

clunking them over the head with a crowbar, dragging him to a random location

1:08:07

until he has enough people to create a 12-person human centipede.

1:08:11

Well, it's not a centipede, it's a millipede by that point. Millipede at that

1:08:14

point, yeah. But that's what it is, and it's all graphic detail.

1:08:18

Nothing is hidden away from it. It's in black and white because otherwise the

1:08:21

movie can never be released if it was in color, is what he was saying.

1:08:25

And by the third time, by the third one, does he go to a prison?

1:08:28

The third one, both the evil German doctor and the guy from the second one are

1:08:34

hired by Warden Eric Roberts.

1:08:37

Is eric roberts runs a prison and they're

1:08:41

trying to think of new creative ways to feed the

1:08:43

prisoners and deal with population control and prison control so

1:08:47

they hire these mad scientists to come

1:08:50

in and start sewing all the prisoners asked

1:08:53

oh my god i couldn't the first one i thought was that's just

1:08:56

the just just just the premise was so disturbing i

1:08:59

have never watched the other one because i you

1:09:02

know what got me was the feed her part that fucked

1:09:05

me up right there and i have never been able

1:09:08

to watch the other one but the thing is if it didn't have the controversy to

1:09:14

it no one watched it because it's not watching it's not a good movie it's not

1:09:18

but it's it but it's traumatizing though i mean it's got that got top value

1:09:22

definitely as if you remember sean we we were in on the uh,

1:09:28

We were in on the third one early because Robert Zadar was originally supposed

1:09:31

to be the warden, but then he couldn't pass the physical.

1:09:34

Because his knees were too bad at the time, unfortunately, the idea of being

1:09:39

on your knees and whatnot, because they kind of wanted him to... Robert Zadar was supposed to be in the Eric Roberts. He was supposed to be either

1:09:45

in the Eric Roberts part? Well, he said he was the warden.

1:09:49

Are they warden-watching guys like the warden one? No. No, they're not.

1:09:54

A lot of bad action. stuff like

1:09:57

that if it wasn't for the centipede part of it there probably would be

1:10:00

nothing worth watching okay just wondering i just

1:10:03

want to know if i was missing anything and i you know the

1:10:06

idea was he was bobby was going to possibly

1:10:09

be the warden but also was going to be kind of a tribute to

1:10:12

his prisoner character from tango and cash in a

1:10:15

way because oh okay and maniac

1:10:18

cop and maniac cop but he's more he wasn't a prisoner

1:10:22

and maniac cop well yeah he was in the first one i mean

1:10:25

you have to remember also that because they're sequels of course

1:10:28

you have to do everything bigger with each sequel so

1:10:31

they get bigger and bigger and i'm for i luckily the

1:10:35

third one was it grosser did the sequels the second one was the second one was

1:10:40

intentionally done to shock people the third one the third one was like this

1:10:45

meta wankery fest as i think before no it's a met it's a meta wankery fest the

1:10:50

best way i can describe it because it's i think the the before they brought.

1:10:53

In the german doctor and his assistant who's played

1:10:56

by the dude from the second one i want to say they called

1:10:59

in tom six to play himself to

1:11:03

pitch this idea to the warrior and so

1:11:06

i'm like it's the third one kind of reminds me

1:11:09

a lot of reanimator 3 as well the whole prison

1:11:12

thing and it all kind of goes a bit mad at by the end of it so yeah

1:11:15

so much is going on it's really hard to figure out what who's

1:11:18

who and by the end of it so and reanimator

1:11:21

3 was a a bit like that let's set them in the prisons and then they get the

1:11:23

whole prison running around so you got everyone running around you're kind

1:11:26

of like well where the hell's for herbert west through all this yeah

1:11:30

and for some reason he's in like a spanish prison i don't

1:11:33

know i think by that point you'd let herbert was like

1:11:36

brazil like south america or something like that um i think it's no i think

1:11:40

it's spain because it has um okay it has that has that famous spanish um horror

1:11:44

actor in it who does that weird one that's all you see him in like a lot yeah

1:11:48

okay i think it's because that point- Brian news that was actually probably

1:11:53

getting a lot of a lot of money from Spain to make his money.

1:11:55

Music.

1:12:10

Well, this brings us to our next episode, which is Showdown.

1:12:13

Raul Al Ghul storms a retirement home with a society of saddles in order to

1:12:18

take someone with him, leaving only a recording behind.

1:12:21

Batman and Robin take the tape and listen to a tale from Ra's mysterious past

1:12:25

during the 1800s, when he attempted to destroy the fledging railroad and seize

1:12:29

control of the U.S. government. The only person who stood in his way was the renegade bounty hunter Jonah Hex.

1:12:35

How Ra's battle with Hex is tied to his present-day activities

1:12:38

is for batman to discover so joe what are your thoughts of showdown this this

1:12:45

was kind of a this was kind of a weird tonal shift because you know there you

1:12:50

get ra's al ghul at the beginning with his with his goons kind of getting away

1:12:53

and leaving a tape for batman to listen to,

1:12:59

and then and then this whole batman episode is not a batman story no not at

1:13:06

all i was confused It's a Jonah Hex episode. I like the Jonah Hex part, though.

1:13:11

It's only a Batman episode in that he appears at the beginning and the end to bookend it, basically.

1:13:16

I kind of wonder if this is for Jonah. They were seeing how this would do to

1:13:21

rather spin off to a Jonah. It feels like a backdoor pilot more than anything else that they've done.

1:13:27

It definitely was a backdoor pilot. Well, the way they introduced it and put it inside the cartoon like that,

1:13:33

definitely looking for some feedback there, I guess.

1:13:37

I dug it, though. I liked it a lot. It was my favorite episode,

1:13:40

actually. Out of all four episodes, we didn't did.

1:13:43

Well, I know. Whenever Joe watches a race episode, usually he's just like,

1:13:47

it's the same fucking thing every time. They're just trying to get to the Lazarus.

1:13:50

And it felt like the first three minutes, we got that entire episode out of the way.

1:13:56

And then he puts the tape in the tape deck and.

1:13:59

We're being whisked away to a different and a very special episode.

1:14:03

We're going to go to the Old West and we're going to meet some wacky characters.

1:14:08

I didn't know Jonah Hex was a Warner or DC thing. I didn't know that at all.

1:14:14

I have been missing. I've been putting off watching that movie.

1:14:18

I was I was thinking about watching it. A lot of people hated it. I liked it.

1:14:22

That it's making. Well, I'm looking at the case list for it, of course.

1:14:26

The cast list for it is insane. you

1:14:29

got fast spender you got megan a

1:14:32

lot of really great character actors and actors who've

1:14:35

become breakout leads and it was kind of steampunk too

1:14:38

a little bit oh yeah absolutely that the

1:14:41

wild wild west and all that stuff they're very big like a little he kind of

1:14:45

nodded to quite a few of those like wild wild west definitely took a couple

1:14:49

nods at that i thought i i love that when uh i love that when he walks into

1:14:54

the saloon you get the the response it was like that old salsa It's a commercial

1:14:58

from the 90s. New York City? Yeah.

1:15:03

We've got our salsa from New York City. New York City. I thought they don't do those anymore.

1:15:09

Thick and chunky salsa. Ace Bacani. Yeah. That meme's had a resurgence lately for some reason.

1:15:15

Or the commercial's had a resurgence lately through memes.

1:15:18

Oh, it has? Oh, yeah. It's kind of been back in the zeitgeist lately.

1:15:24

But I kind of liked that that was their reaction. was

1:15:27

wow what is this thing yeah um well

1:15:32

i kind of wonder if maybe jonah hex didn't do so well because westerns

1:15:37

don't do that great not not not anymore not at that that that started like western

1:15:43

kind of died in the 70s and this was also around the time that warner brothers

1:15:48

they were trying to release spin-off dc movies to see what would work with outside

1:15:53

of the batman ones like Like they did The Losers,

1:15:55

which I genuinely like that a lot as a movie.

1:15:59

It was a really solid spy graphic novel movie with Chris Evans, Idris Elba.

1:16:06

That wasn't around this time. No, no, around the time of Jonah Hex.

1:16:10

Oh, around the time of Jonah Hex. Around the time of Jonah Hex.

1:16:12

They were trying to- Jonah Hex movie, not the Jonah Hex cartoon.

1:16:14

Not the Jonah Hex cartoon. They were trying to kind of push their different ones.

1:16:18

And yeah, some just- Well, Westerns kind of go through like horror and any other

1:16:23

genre, right but they kind of go through like 80s there was a submergence of

1:16:27

that the 90s a little bit more,

1:16:30

2000 2010s not so much but with the advent yellowstone and the yellowstone franchise.

1:16:38

Taking off like being huge right huge ratings we might be,

1:16:43

It might be a time for like a Jonah Hex kind of thing now. I was going to say,

1:16:47

Costner dropped $20 million of his own money to do like this back-to-back sequel

1:16:52

to this Frontier movie. They've got a new movie coming out, too.

1:16:55

It's called Frontier. Apparently it's going to be a two-parter, possibly even more.

1:17:00

But yeah, all I know is that he wants to come back to Yellowstone.

1:17:04

So clearly he wants to make it. Matthew McConaughey is going to

1:17:09

do a spinoff. He's not going to be Kevin Costner's, you know, character.

1:17:14

So I don't know how they're going to do it. But you know what?

1:17:16

They really need to finish their fucking shit first before they do any more

1:17:20

freaking spinoffs. They need to finish Yellowstone. I will.

1:17:24

Yeah. The thing with the reason why Yellowstone, but the thing you have to remember,

1:17:30

and like the boys, the reason why Yellowstone has a long period in between.

1:17:35

It's because of Kevin Costner's crap with his wife. that had

1:17:38

a lot no it's not just that the thing is it's a

1:17:41

very expensive series to get one

1:17:46

one season it takes 11 months to film nine episodes nine to ten episodes so

1:17:53

what you have is that and then then but the actors you have to remember the

1:17:57

actors are are very much advanced so they go for for then they write the next

1:18:01

season for which takes a year while the actors go off and do what they want to do.

1:18:05

And then they come back because by that time the scripts are all done.

1:18:09

They've got film for another month. Spinoffs instead of finishing. No, but you don't understand about the spinoffs.

1:18:16

The spinoffs don't have any of those actors in it. Yeah.

1:18:19

They're all different periods. Actually, they have some of them in there.

1:18:23

They bring them back as other characters.

1:18:25

So he does use some of the same characters, but yeah, because they're all the

1:18:30

main ones. basically, the spinoff are prequels.

1:18:36

Yeah, the origin story is kind of sort of... Well, they're origin stories.

1:18:39

So what they can do... They're damn good, but jeepers.

1:18:42

But if you notice, what you'll do is you'll get Yellowstone.

1:18:44

And then the next year, you'll get the prequel, the season for the prequel.

1:18:50

And then the following year, you'll get your Yellowstone.

1:18:52

That's how they're doing it because of how long it takes to do it.

1:18:56

No, they just haven't had it in production because there's been a bunch of back whatever drama.

1:19:02

Well, it did suffer from the strike as well. You have to remember that.

1:19:05

That too, and his wife was divorcing Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner wanted... That didn't help.

1:19:11

Well, it's a combination of, and this is just a common thing that I'm noticing

1:19:15

now with a lot of A-list actors from the 80s and 90s who are now transitioning

1:19:19

to becoming television actors. It's a completely different style of grind. And for a longer length of time,

1:19:26

they're away from the house more, they're doing a lot more.

1:19:28

He's away from his wife, and at the same time, he's using $20 million of his

1:19:32

own money to finance these Western films.

1:19:35

That's going to put strain on your marriage. And so a combination,

1:19:39

he's not young anymore. Oh, he's not 70s. Yeah.

1:19:43

70s. Yeah. I thought he was as late sixties. Isn't he late six,

1:19:46

but he's, he's around, he's around the 70 number and he it's,

1:19:51

it's one of those things to push somebody to make him work, you know,

1:19:53

80 hour, a hundred hour weeks. Well, he's got a lot of fire. You get a lot of irons in the fire too. That man always does.

1:20:00

Well, I mean, he, I mean, he was born in 19. I mean, he's 69 years old.

1:20:04

He's going to be 70 this year. Yeah so you know i mean you know

1:20:10

and same thing with like awesome series the same thing like what tulsa king's

1:20:13

as having having the same problem for the

1:20:16

next yeah well because they have to they you

1:20:19

know these actors they're used to doing a movie within like two months now now

1:20:25

they're spending like 10 to 11 months filming these tv series and also with

1:20:29

tulsa king in the case of him it's stallone realizing that i'm not with all

1:20:33

the macho guys on set so when i'm breaking making everybody's balls.

1:20:37

They're taking it personally. That's so, that's the other thing. Yeah.

1:20:42

Well, I mean that, you know, it is kind of hard to sit there and keep shooting

1:20:45

up on Sylvester Stallone to make him look taller than what he is.

1:20:48

Just, I told you about my friend who worked on the, he worked on,

1:20:52

she worked on me about it. He told me, I didn't know that either. Was it called detox?

1:20:58

We're basically. Yeah. Did I tell you this? Yeah.

1:21:02

Basically she worked on that, not detox. The one where they're in the, in the cold,

1:21:06

the winter yeah it's oh yeah it's it's like a

1:21:09

prison in the middle of like i live like alaska or

1:21:11

something like that okay so she worked on that movie and because he

1:21:14

plays a serial killer in this movie basically he

1:21:18

decided that he wanted to do a lot of he wanted to do a lot of research

1:21:21

about killers and serial killers so they had

1:21:24

so basically they had my friend emily because she was working

1:21:27

on the film as a production assistant to go

1:21:29

out and get all this all these books and stuff so she

1:21:32

goes out and buys all these books and she goes okay i got these for mr stallone they

1:21:35

go you can't give it to him and she goes why not they go

1:21:38

it's in his contract that people can only present stuff

1:21:41

to whom who are shorter than him so they had to find a

1:21:44

young teenager to give these books because everyone was

1:21:47

taller than he is he's five five

1:21:50

so there's a loan it's five foot five i'm taller than stallone shit well i think

1:21:58

i mean so they have to they shoot him up if you notice they shoot him up and

1:22:01

he had and he puts lifts in his shoes but that's what's in his contract that

1:22:04

no No one can present anything to the bestest alone unless they are smaller than he is.

1:22:09

They had to find a kid to give them these books during the sheet of detox.

1:22:15

That's great that must be just

1:22:18

such a blow i don't understand i don't know i i guess i

1:22:21

guess i probably feel well whatever but tom cruise

1:22:24

tom cruise had difficulties and well i want no that's what i was gonna say i

1:22:28

was watching which i never saw before i was watching nicole kidman tell i think

1:22:32

it was a david letter for somebody it was a late night show she she just got

1:22:36

divorced from him and he goes well what's it like being divorced from tom cruise

1:22:40

and she goes i don't have i can And where are my high heels again?

1:22:43

I just like, Oh, snap. Well, the reason why the reason why Tom Cruise never did the stat.

1:22:50

Cause Neil Jordan was going to come back and do list that the next movie.

1:22:54

Right. They couldn't get Tom Cruise because Tom Cruise said he was humiliated

1:22:58

when he was walking down streets with Brad Pitt, that they had to dig a ditch for Brad Pitt to walk in.

1:23:05

So him and Tom Cruise would be the same height.

1:23:08

No shit. I didn't know that. Brad Pitt is six foot. He's five foot seven.

1:23:14

That's a bit much. Yeah. And then he goes, you know, and he said that the only

1:23:18

way that he would do the stat, if he could find a cast that were smaller than

1:23:21

him and Neil Jordan's like, I'm not doing that. You know, I don't know why they take, they, they take steps like that because

1:23:27

they put out a hell of a product. Tom Cruise. I don't care what he's done. Because you have a great movie.

1:23:33

But you have, but you have, but the thing is you have image over. I mean, hubris.

1:23:38

Well, I mean, I mean, it's not that different. The same thing happens in action movies all the time.

1:23:43

Well, one of the doctors I work for doesn't go to movies and stuff like this.

1:23:47

And he got a call because Nicole Kidman hurt herself during Eyes Wide Shut.

1:23:53

And so she needed a steroid injection for her knee.

1:23:56

And so he came there and he knocked on their hotel door because they asked for a house call.

1:24:02

And he knocked on the door and he said, this really short midget guy answered the door.

1:24:08

Because he didn't know who they were because he's not in the thing.

1:24:12

And he goes, he let it in. He goes, there's this really tall,

1:24:15

beautiful red-haired woman and he injected her.

1:24:18

And left. And he goes, the little guy was very, very pleasant.

1:24:25

Oh my God, really? He goes, very, very pleasant.

1:24:29

But he goes, apparently they do movies or something like this.

1:24:32

How do you not know who they are? What rock did he crawl out from underneath?

1:24:36

Even if you don't go to the cinema. Yeah, but the thing is, he's a doctor that works like 18 hours a day. And this is his life.

1:24:46

So much so that basically, I mean, his marriage failed because of it,

1:24:50

because it's all about the career. It's all about, and he does research. He does research on new drugs and he does

1:24:55

research on new techniques and operations.

1:24:58

And this is what his life is. So he comes back to the office and he was telling

1:25:01

us a story that going, I go, what was their name?

1:25:04

He goes, well, her name was Cruz, Cruz Kidman, Kidman Cruz, something really stupid.

1:25:10

I mean, Nicole Kidman and he goes, yeah, and he goes, I go, and the short guy goes,

1:25:15

oh, he's short he goes he had he had like an eagle nose i go tom because yeah

1:25:20

that's it i think he's got a new girlfriend that he's fixing to marry i think

1:25:24

i saw some such thing dmz or something,

1:25:27

that's what they do he's a great i mean he's a great actor nothing about his

1:25:30

acting style no no he puts on a hell of a movie i don't know fantastic yeah

1:25:35

but you know if you're alone in your whole career is action movies it's kind

1:25:41

of hard to get behind an action figure who's 5'5".

1:25:44

Well, I get that. We want our action figures to be as tall as... Yeah, unrealistic.

1:25:53

I get it. And even Jauclaw Vendem's not that tall, but in our mind,

1:25:58

we think of him as taller. Even madonna's five foot somebody else who

1:26:03

else did i just is four foot two who the hell that i'm reading about

1:26:06

somebody that's a huge actor i

1:26:09

was an actor god i'll have to find it i'll drive me nuts now

1:26:12

four foot two and no clue that that person was

1:26:15

that small so i mean it's all about image

1:26:18

over a lot of stuff anyway so yeah i

1:26:21

want to mention something about the uh the episode before we

1:26:24

forget or move on i want to the person

1:26:28

who plays the governor in this episode he's actually a very

1:26:30

famous figure in batman history it's played by the

1:26:34

senator you're talking about patrick leahy patrick leahy senator

1:26:37

yeah i saw that he has been a part

1:26:40

of the batman franchise i think this

1:26:43

was his first kind of real thing doing anything lifelong batman fan he was in

1:26:48

batman forever as a background character batman and robin as a background character

1:26:53

usually whenever they're doing the charity balls or he's in the background he

1:26:57

was a wayne board member in both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises.

1:27:02

And he was sitting next to Holly Hunter in Batman v. Superman.

1:27:07

No kidding. Yeah, he was part of the, he got blown up.

1:27:12

I want to get blown up in somebody's movie, god dang it. Quite cool, actually.

1:27:18

That's quite cool. Make a movie so we can get blown up. It's one of those things.

1:27:24

Oh, he's in, and he's in the, he's also in The Dark Knight. night,

1:27:27

he's famously the person that, what's his face?

1:27:31

Heath Ledger puts the knife in his mouth and says, you kind of look like my

1:27:34

father. I hated my father. That's him.

1:27:37

So, I mean, he's been a part of this in the Batman world for a very,

1:27:42

very, very long time, and I think this was his first appearance with them,

1:27:45

doing anything with them. But lifelong Batman fan, former, I don't know if he's still Senator.

1:27:49

I think he may have retired last year. But Senator Petley.

1:27:52

Can you imagine being such a huge fan that you've kind of been in almost every...

1:27:57

Yeah batman from the 90s onwards this is

1:28:00

one of those things hey and maybe maybe it gets you

1:28:03

a little bit of ease when it comes to getting some things you gotta

1:28:06

you got a government hand on on board but you know no he said well patrick lay

1:28:10

he says also he was a president pro temp of the united states senate 2012 to

1:28:16

2015 and from 2021 to 2023 so technically he just retired he just Just retired,

1:28:21

yeah. Doing it for a long time. Yeah. But I love that. I really dug this episode.

1:28:28

You had Malcolm McDowell in it, too. Malcolm McDowell is a guest part.

1:28:31

He's Arcady. What was the last?

1:28:34

But Arcady's something, the target of...

1:28:38

Joda hex of his bounty who has

1:28:41

the connection with rayish al ghul that we find out

1:28:44

that ties everything together with our batman story he turns

1:28:48

out to be raysh al ghul's son see we always

1:28:51

talk about talia and we always talk about nis we don't really talk about the

1:28:55

fact you know he's been around for a while he probably has a lot of kids and

1:28:58

just those are the bright ones or talia and nis al ghul we don't mention the

1:29:03

other ones i'm sure he's been a breeder he's been around The one thing I didn't understand,

1:29:08

maybe Sean can explain to me, that this episode, okay, so it's a cartoon within

1:29:13

a cartoon, a story within a story, but what does this really have to do with Batman?

1:29:17

It kind of eclipsed me a little bit. Well, it's more of a Rache story.

1:29:21

It's going into his backstory a little bit more, telling a story that he's been

1:29:25

around trying to, and the whole story is he was trying to stop the robbery at

1:29:30

the beginning of the show. Right. And that was just a diversion so that he could take his son and take his son

1:29:37

to be with him so that he could die in peace with dignity.

1:29:40

He's been looking, searching for him. He was too power mad and too unstable

1:29:45

for him to take over everything and take over the empire.

1:29:47

Empire so if anything it is more

1:29:51

of it's just a backdoor pilot to a possible jonah heck

1:29:54

show to see if it would work they never came to fruition

1:29:57

nothing ever came to fruition from it but it's also

1:30:00

a way to go into the past of rachel ghoul a little bit more see him as a character

1:30:05

make him a little bit more humanize him in a way can humanizing an immortal

1:30:09

showing that he's he's a father he still is you know he's still thinking of

1:30:13

his kid and he's still willing to do a lot of Even though he's doing all this immoral shit,

1:30:18

he's still thinking at the end, I just want to be with my kid.

1:30:20

You know, it's a little bit more... And also to show that the Society of Shadows

1:30:25

might have been there through all human years.

1:30:27

Yeah, oh, that's the thing. His little steampunk iteration of the Society of

1:30:31

Shadows with their Zeppelin, that they're, you know, his own Hindenburg that

1:30:35

he's setting up over the Old West.

1:30:38

It was a very interesting take on the show.

1:30:42

Music.

1:31:06

Our next episode is Riddler's Reform. Upon his release from Arkham Asylum,

1:31:11

the Riddler becomes an instant celebrity with his own line of toys and games.

1:31:14

Soon he's rich, well-liked, and happy, except for the fact that he never managed

1:31:19

to best Batman in a battle of wits.

1:31:21

Riddling he's still obsessed with beating the Dark Knight, and the obsession

1:31:24

will lead to his downfall. The Riddler lures Batman into a deathtrap puzzle to get rid of the opponent

1:31:30

and end of the riddle games. So, Vix, what's your thoughts of Riddler's reform?

1:31:35

Well, for just like a brief moment, I actually thought that Riddler was going

1:31:40

to try to be on the open up because it was just kind of weird watching him try to be a do-getter.

1:31:46

Batman, obviously, kind of confused, not buying it as well, but kind of probably

1:31:52

cautiously optimistic that maybe something good might come out of it.

1:31:56

I I enjoyed that. I like Riddler. I kind of enjoyed where you had

1:32:00

the two girls. The brunette and the blonde were all over him and stuff.

1:32:04

He's going, oh, somebody's paying attention to me.

1:32:06

It's like he's never had attention before or something.

1:32:09

It was almost like he was a major attention whore in this episode.

1:32:13

You know what I'm saying? He's a nerd for women.

1:32:16

He's a nerd for men. Not that he's voiced by John Glover only enhances that.

1:32:21

Because John Glover is such a ham when it comes to that sort of shit. Oh, he's a massive ham.

1:32:26

I mean, he's really good. I always think Frank Gorshin, though.

1:32:29

So I see the Riddler. I'm just so great. Oh, Gorshin.

1:32:33

To this day, I still think Gorshin is the perfect iteration.

1:32:36

The giggle, the maniacal giggle. The maniacal giggle.

1:32:40

The prancing around and all that. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what's going on

1:32:46

with Batman or Robin in this episode.

1:32:49

Completely robin's just kind of robin's like taking a back seat a little bit

1:32:55

kind of kind of weird because they're calling it the adventures of batman and

1:32:59

robin is that does there are a lot of episodes where robin just seems to be

1:33:03

he's there yeah but he's but it's.

1:33:07

Not like you expect it's not the camaraderie like

1:33:10

i was expecting you know well i

1:33:13

said before four i mean ever since

1:33:16

robin first showed up in this animated series

1:33:19

there's been a lot of detent you know they him and

1:33:22

batman are not the best of friends there's a lot they're really

1:33:26

kind of weird dynamic going on

1:33:29

with them so yeah literally the first episode

1:33:32

we watched today as soon as robin is distracted for

1:33:35

a second batman jumps to the batmobile and drives away without him

1:33:38

and i'm like oh okay yeah it's like what that's what

1:33:41

i'm saying what's the hell with that i mean he totally forgets that

1:33:44

his ward has been left behind he's a young man

1:33:48

i don't think he forgets well i drop it

1:33:50

as annoying as we do work better alone but they

1:33:53

also there's a lot of like weird arguments and

1:33:56

there's this weird there's this weird thing where

1:33:59

they just don't seem to be they're not connecting and i

1:34:02

don't know if that's because they they took the

1:34:05

series and they scanned it out and it's like okay well we

1:34:09

need to have this going on because he's going to show up as nightwing he leaves

1:34:14

the whole batman thing right so do you think that this was in the works when

1:34:18

this i got i got a feeling for because in the next season you know we get he

1:34:22

you know we get the new robin and nightwings there and and then and batman and

1:34:27

nightwing are still fighting. And in the very next episode, there's the way that the dialogue is spoken,

1:34:35

the way that the exchange is between the two. I have to go this one alone.

1:34:39

Because I have to go alone. He's talking about Harvey as more of a friend than

1:34:42

him. And it really kind of dismisses Robin in a way.

1:34:46

When I was a kid watching pro wrestling, whenever a tag team was about to break

1:34:52

up, there were subtle little things being done.

1:34:54

Little dialogue changes, little things.

1:34:57

Just to let the audience know hey something's gonna

1:35:01

happen in maybe a month or two maybe a couple months down the line

1:35:04

but we're teasing the dissension it's that

1:35:06

we're teasing dissension between batman and robin and it's been subtle well-placed

1:35:11

depth charges well i noticed that batman's all over the place in this but like

1:35:15

robin's kind of like a back i was expecting more interaction i guess i was kind

1:35:20

of surprised i love the riddler don't get me wrong i mean he's great in this. It was a fun episode.

1:35:25

I'm just not seeing the camaraderie with the guy.

1:35:28

If you look at Robin as a character within himself, and the way he's been portrayed,

1:35:34

if you look at the 60s, even though he's supposed to be in his 20s, he acts like he's 13.

1:35:41

I get that. But he acts like a 13-year-old. It's kind of bizarre.

1:35:47

Is he supposed to be a teenager? Because I'm under the impression he goes to college.

1:35:51

No, he does go to college. well he's in college in

1:35:54

this one but the thing is and then of course we get the batman and

1:35:56

robin thing which is against when we get to joe schumacher i

1:36:00

think that's kind of a thing that you kind of have to put to the side

1:36:03

a little bit but robin basically is he's

1:36:05

with you know you got the father figure bruce wayne

1:36:09

situation and he comes in as a teenager yeah and now you know now he's in college

1:36:14

and so basically he's breaking you know it's basically like how we break away

1:36:18

from our father and he had this kind of thing and it's like you know it's like

1:36:23

you know he wants to be seen as an adult,

1:36:28

But he's still being seen as a child. So Bruce Wayne still thinks of him as a child.

1:36:33

So Bruce Wayne looks at him like the boy that he adopted, not the son who's now in college.

1:36:40

Right. So that's what's causing a lot of the friction situation.

1:36:43

It's like, well, I can do this now, Bruce. I can do that. I'm a man now.

1:36:47

And Bruce is like, no, you're just a little boy, basically.

1:36:50

And that's where we get this kind of. Well, there's a couple other episodes

1:36:54

where, like, I thought Robin was kind of left in the foreground, you know?

1:36:58

Because Batman doesn't treat him as an equal, he treats him as an inferior. As a sidekick.

1:37:04

Well, I guess I got in my head because of my age when I started. I met Batman and Robin.

1:37:11

It was a dynamic duo, the camaraderie, the brotherhood.

1:37:15

You know. Up until he becomes too old to be the sidekick. He becomes too old.

1:37:21

He wants to be his own man. And it's a bit like your parents sometimes your parents sometimes don't realize

1:37:28

that you're in your 20s or 30s or 40s or 50s they still it's a bit like when

1:37:33

you go home for Christmas, go home for thinking it's like all your brothers and sisters and everything

1:37:39

start reverting back to the way you were when you were all growing up in the same house that is true.

1:37:45

And this is pretty much what's happening and for me even though Robin is not,

1:37:51

For me, I think this works very, very well for me, only because it is true.

1:37:57

Well, I haven't seen any of the Nightwing stuff. Am I going to be happy with

1:38:01

it? Am I going to enjoy the Nightwing stuff like I like this stuff?

1:38:05

The Nightwing stuff, if you really want to experience the Nightwing stuff in

1:38:08

its full, watch the TV series Titans.

1:38:11

That kind of fills in a lot of stuff. I had that on, and I realized I could

1:38:16

not have that on around my face. All those episodes all those episodes are now max now on the DC channel so it

1:38:24

looks good I mean I probably need to I love titans is there a prerequisite before

1:38:32

titans or can I just pick up I know batman you can pick up titans and basically and you'll see.

1:38:38

The friction and everything between batman and robin oh okay maybe I'll start

1:38:43

checking that one out good deal okay,

1:38:46

and you do get in the animated series it's

1:38:49

just that it's more of an undertone i just i guess

1:38:52

when i first started this this part of you know i've never

1:38:54

watched all of these and i just was really kind of shocked that

1:38:58

that is the you know the course that was going i didn't

1:39:01

expect it i mean i i don't hate it at all but i mean

1:39:04

i just didn't expect it i think if they brought i think if

1:39:07

they brought robin in and we saw after robin's origin

1:39:11

story and then we had robin from that

1:39:14

point forward right we probably would have

1:39:17

a different robin in this series but we got robin that's

1:39:20

this happened in the past and we got robin in college and

1:39:23

getting out of you know and that basically he's still he's kind of i think he's

1:39:27

still in college i don't know if he's graduated or not at this point but does

1:39:31

he ever graduate college in any of well when he's in nightwing he by the time

1:39:35

nightwing happens when he turns in nightwing college is over with he's no longer

1:39:38

He's an adult doing his thing.

1:39:42

Well, it gets to the point, basically, where he just leaves Gotham because he

1:39:45

doesn't want anything to do with Batman at all. Oh, no shit. Okay. This sounds intriguing. I'll give it a whirl. So...

1:39:53

I will say one thing about the Riddler, this whole Riddler episode, though.

1:39:57

It reminded me a lot of a storyline that came right out of the Spider-Man 2 video game.

1:40:03

There's a whole side level.

1:40:05

It's kind of an inverse of what they did with this.

1:40:08

Mysterio gets out of jail. Oh, yeah. And he's hired by a toy company to create

1:40:12

a virtual augmented reality thing with his technology.

1:40:16

And throughout in spider-man goes in to check it out and people are getting

1:40:22

hurt and attacked by the simulation so immediately he has to stop him and fight

1:40:26

fight off what's going on and,

1:40:28

throughout the course of the level you start wondering is

1:40:32

this something sinister going on by mysterio or is there

1:40:34

something more at play because he's claiming innocence and and his

1:40:38

whole parole is dependent upon him keeping clear so

1:40:41

why would he mess it and it's it's a it goes in a

1:40:43

a different direction a complete inverse direction of what it

1:40:46

was with this but it was very very similar

1:40:49

to how it was in terms of like just the manipulative nature of like you know

1:40:54

what doesn't matter what you did before we we need this technology and when

1:40:58

it doesn't really matter we can we can market it we can market you are that

1:41:02

they did that in the game for the spider-man game because we do get a riddler

1:41:06

episode where he does have this vr game.

1:41:09

You know, we're oh, yeah, we did get that so it's almost like okay who's copying I mean the riddler.

1:41:17

I mean the thing is the thing about riddler also is that he is it's all about

1:41:21

megalomania You know the thing is it's like he wants to be the best of the best

1:41:25

and he is so in this make megalomaniac.

1:41:29

Headspace that he you know, no matter what he's not going

1:41:32

to be the greatest until he can stump the batman so it's

1:41:35

always going to come down to that and you know so much more that

1:41:38

he will ruin his whole life just to just to

1:41:41

prove his part that he's better the thing that

1:41:44

stands out to me about this episode is you took basically the

1:41:48

penguin's gimmick of constantly trying to

1:41:51

show that you're going straight and you combine it with the joker and

1:41:54

his penchant for you know batman completes me

1:41:57

and i just got to beat the bat and i have to be the one that

1:42:00

outsmarts him and he's got to notice me so it

1:42:03

kind of felt weird because it felt like half a penguin half a

1:42:06

joker episode combined into one for this

1:42:09

one kind of sort of and the thing

1:42:12

is is you know but it kind of also also reminds me reminds me to batman the

1:42:17

dark knight where it's like you know batman because of who you are you're creating

1:42:21

these villains around you if you weren't there it's gotta feel bad for riddler

1:42:25

at the end because he just doesn't understand how bad he is it's obviously got an issue with that,

1:42:32

well it's kind of like you know if Riddler just let it go he'd be okay just

1:42:36

let it go just let it go they never let it go though do they,

1:42:41

no then they have to explain why you know they do that then they end up getting

1:42:45

caught because they shut up like shut up.

1:42:48

They gotta use that that big you know hubris they got to well Riddler just needs

1:42:55

to spend some time with Elsa from Frozen and just let it go laughter.

1:43:00

Music.

1:43:21

Our last episode is Second Chance.

1:43:24

Just before he is to undergo the operation that will restore his face,

1:43:27

Harvey Dent is kidnapped by a mysterious villain.

1:43:30

Batman and Robbins fled up to nab the criminal behind the scheme to abduct the

1:43:35

Dark Knight's old friend. They suspect either the Penguin or Rupert Thorne may be behind the kidnapping,

1:43:40

but after doing their investigation, they come to realize there is an unsuspected

1:43:43

third enemy in the scheme. So, Sean, what are your thoughts of Second Chance? it's a

1:43:48

decent two-faced episode that really kind of furthered his story

1:43:51

he's bruce is setting up a surgery

1:43:54

sets up to pay for his entire surgery to get

1:43:57

fixed up he's on the operating table reminiscing

1:44:01

about times at the half moon club and it

1:44:04

reminded me of charlton heston and waynes

1:44:07

world 2 reminiscing about gordon street but it

1:44:11

was for some reason that's what can't keep kept coming up in

1:44:13

my mind while watching that scene but all of

1:44:17

a sudden while he's on the operating table scalpel's just about to be inserted

1:44:20

whole strip hired goons they bust in they hold him up and they kidnap kidnap

1:44:26

him on the operating table incapacitate batman and robin enough for them to

1:44:31

get away immediately robin is thinking that batman and robin are thinking all right,

1:44:37

who's in his past? Who wants him dead? Rupert Thorne?

1:44:40

Is it, you know, who wants him out of the way? So they start going through,

1:44:44

trying to pluck out what's going on. It was a solid episode. I like Two-Face as a character, and I think it's a very

1:44:52

complex character with the ways that you can go with.

1:44:54

Kind of a tragic figure, isn't he? Yeah, absolutely.

1:44:57

That Batman just mourns and laments the loss of his friendship,

1:45:01

which you always see when you see these two together.

1:45:05

Well, there's also guilt, A major guilt there. I mean, he couldn't save it. So, I mean...

1:45:10

But it does humanize Batman more so than any romance interest he has,

1:45:15

because he really feels bad for his friend.

1:45:18

And you always see that every time Two-Face and him interact in any episode.

1:45:22

Or at least that's what I think. No, he does. But much to the chagrin of Robin,

1:45:27

because at the same time, the way he talks about Harvey, he never would speak to the man who's constantly

1:45:34

by his side fighting crime and who has saved his life hundreds of times.

1:45:39

Of times probably it's completely different thing and maybe

1:45:43

it's it's unspoken i love you like a son i

1:45:46

don't know how to deal with this interaction you're older than

1:45:49

i do do as i say also i you know you're i've kind of been a father figure to

1:45:54

you but you're older than i was when i lost my father i don't know how to be

1:46:00

but that's the part that's the glue that should have kept them together though

1:46:04

is they both lost their parents and that's why i get so what the writers are doing with it.

1:46:10

Well bruce wayne is emotionally stunted anyway that's

1:46:13

the thing yeah yeah i agree with that he's not he's not in touch with

1:46:16

his emotions he's never gonna have a woman in his life for any

1:46:18

amount of time and even the women he has in his life he kind

1:46:21

of treats him like shit he does he's such a misogynist egg

1:46:25

and he's i'm just so surprised but he's a lovable misogynist

1:46:28

i mean if there's such a thing so i mean you

1:46:31

don't hate him for being a misogynist well the

1:46:34

thing is is batman is the person and bruce wayne's like

1:46:36

joe's got that look yeah i was like well the lovable

1:46:40

misogynist pig i literally have

1:46:43

a had a 23 year old uh former co-worker text

1:46:46

me the other day that she misses me and said i love that one of my favorite

1:46:50

people in the world is a middle-aged pervert oh really lovable misogynist pig

1:46:58

uh right here well you know a lot of you are lovable you know this is the way

1:47:03

it is although i i don't think i'm actually misogynist.

1:47:06

No, I doubt you are. Yeah, I'm not a misogynist.

1:47:09

I don't think any... Well, you can be. But you guys are a lot better.

1:47:16

I'm gay i can be because women love me

1:47:19

i'm not a threat i give you a

1:47:22

misogynist because i'm not a threat i don't i don't get

1:47:26

why anyone loves me because i try to be like a like a distant prick but they

1:47:31

everybody fucking loves me for some reason well you're a nice guy you're all

1:47:36

right i try not to be well i mean don't stop you guys got well some people don't

1:47:43

have Okay, you guys are misogynists with conscience.

1:47:48

I actually have to tell her that I referenced her text when this one comes out.

1:47:53

You can use that now. I'm a misogynist with a conscience.

1:47:57

Well, it's got all the bases covered. It's foolproof. Yeah.

1:48:03

I mean, this is quite interesting with the Harvey Dent.

1:48:06

I mean, the weird thing about Harvey Dent, though, is that I love the animated

1:48:10

series and everything like that, And I take it, you know, that's one of the

1:48:15

reasons why we're doing this. But I have to sit there and say, because of the Dark Knight trilogy,

1:48:21

that Harvey Dent kind of bleeds into this a little bit sometimes.

1:48:26

Well, he did a lot in this one, actually. He really is Harvey Dent on one side,

1:48:31

and on the other side, he's, you know. And that's what is quite bizarre about the Dark Knight trilogy.

1:48:37

Trilogy out of all the characters from the

1:48:40

chris nolan films right harvey dent character is

1:48:43

the only one that seems to be bleeding into the animated

1:48:47

series for somebody so when you see harvey dent you see that character from

1:48:51

the dark knight at the same time as the animated series version of him but in

1:48:55

the movie though that doesn't seem like him and batman have any friendship at

1:49:00

all well i guess they do but they do but well the thing is it's a different kind of friendship.

1:49:06

I mean, he's a, he's a two different actors doing that too. Well, you have,

1:49:12

I mean, they're kind of dating his love. Harvey Dent's dating his love interest. Right.

1:49:18

The thing is kind of weird. But the thing is that Harvey Dent was supposed to be good.

1:49:23

And he's supposed to be the good Gotham. And he's going to bring in the new good.

1:49:29

And of course, that happens to him. And he ends up becoming a villain situation.

1:49:34

And then, of course, at the end of the movie, of course, she kind of got you

1:49:38

know him going into exile because to keep harvey dent's good name situation,

1:49:44

so that but this that whole harvey dent thing

1:49:47

kind of bleeds into this but though in the animated series are more front they

1:49:51

are friends they're you know they're there's a longer history than in the thingy

1:49:55

but the whole thing that maybe harvey could have been good and all this other

1:49:59

stuff kind of bleeds the animated series so well that's the tragic part of his

1:50:04

character because Because he was. You know, he's kind of, you know, well, he was a playboy like Bruce.

1:50:08

But he did have a love interest, though, in the beginning, did he not?

1:50:11

He was going to get married with. Well, the Poison Ivy.

1:50:14

Yeah, I was going to say it was Ivy. Yeah, I was going to say it was Ivy.

1:50:17

And he kissed, because he kissed his heart. And she ends up with Harley Quinn,

1:50:20

which I can't wait to get into those. That looks like that's going to be a real hoot.

1:50:24

They're all on Max now, the whole series. Yeah, they're all on Max. Oh, it is?

1:50:28

Because I just love those two. I can't wait to see those. I keep meaning to

1:50:31

start them, but I just never get around to it. It i watched your valentine's day special a couple weeks ago that was a fun

1:50:37

one it was a fun one yeah what's the name of the actor you get the actor from.

1:50:46

Don't you hate that lasso you get the actor from ted lasso oh

1:50:50

yeah who's doing a one-man show

1:50:53

in gotham he they take over his body

1:50:56

and blow him up like really big like all right it's it's

1:50:59

fun oh good it looks like a fun series I mean I have to say the Harley Quinn

1:51:05

in that series is probably the best Harley Quinn you're going to see outside

1:51:09

of the animated series I just love the Harley Quinn stuff I do I just like the

1:51:14

femme fatales they just never get a fair shake,

1:51:18

they're getting it now I mean the Suicide Squad is basically built around her

1:51:25

at this point I can't say anything bad about Suicide Squad movies be absolutely

1:51:30

nothing i don't care who hates them it's just like you will not.

1:51:34

Music.

1:51:58

So I guess what we'll do now is tell us what your favorite episode is out of

1:52:02

this block. Starting with you, Vicki, what's your favorite episode out of this block?

1:52:06

I kind of like the Jonah Hex one. I kind of like the steampunk stuff.

1:52:09

And I really, because I didn't know either that Jonah Hex was part of this universe.

1:52:14

So it was just like, wow, today, years old.

1:52:17

But I thought that one was a lot of fun. I like the Jonah Hex stuff.

1:52:21

I love the movie. I wish they'd do more of it, to tell you the truth.

1:52:24

But I just thought it was a nice little side refresher, something totally different.

1:52:31

I loved it. And what about yourself, Joe? What was your favorite episode out of this block?

1:52:35

I got a feeling that we're going to hear a lot about the Jonah Hex episode because

1:52:40

it was showed out. I love it. Yeah, it gets away from... I mean, a lot of these episodes were not the same thing as usual.

1:52:48

But this one, definitely outside the norm and going completely outside the box.

1:52:54

But I appreciated it for that. And what about yourself, Sean? I probably would have to agree.

1:53:00

Showdown was probably my favorite of the three. It was a great change of pace.

1:53:03

It's great to hear Malcolm McDowell.

1:53:06

Yes, I forgot about that. Anytime I can hear Malcolm McDowell, that's a great thing.

1:53:10

It was fun to do the little Zeppelin chase.

1:53:14

And I liked the book ending with Batman and Rey showing mutual respect to one another.

1:53:19

I think that that was kind of nice to see.

1:53:23

My favorite is Showdown as well. I think it's nice to see it when it kind of

1:53:28

breaks off into something else. Now for something completely different, yeah. Yeah, and they handle it very, very well.

1:53:35

At the same time, it keeps the story moving forward, but at the same time,

1:53:38

you kind of get something different. I still suck. Music.

1:54:08

Well, this brings us back to the end of the Literary License Podcast.

1:54:13

And as part of our Monsters Come and Go month, we will be covering next week

1:54:18

Dark Crystal and the Labyrinth.

1:54:21

And our anthologies will be The House of Drip Blood from 1971 and Asylum from 1972.

1:54:28

Doctors continue with whatever storyline they're on because they're all over

1:54:31

the place. We'll have to pay attention to that one because I'm not quite sure. Sure.

1:54:34

And of course, then we'll break into May, which is dark fantasy month.

1:54:38

We'll be covering the witches by Raul doll and the 1990 film. I love that movie.

1:54:43

And Batman, the animated series will be back with four new episodes with Harley's

1:54:46

holiday lockup, make them laugh and deep freeze.

1:54:50

So it's good night for myself. Good night, Sean.

1:54:52

Good night, everybody. Good night, Joe. Good night, everyone.

1:54:56

Good night, Vix. Good night, everybody. See you next week for dark.

1:54:59

Music.