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Hi , this is Chris Hawkins and you're listening to

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the Liverpool Connection podcast . Hi

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everyone , and welcome to the Liverpool Connection

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podcast . I'm your host , dazza , and this

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is my football and music one-on-one

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episodes , where I bring on

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a guest that is into football

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and into music and who better

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than house music legend and

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head of iconic record

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label Junior Boyzone that

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had the likes of Underworld Dust Brothers

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aka Chemical Brothers Express

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2. ? It's Mr Terry Farley

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.

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How are you , mate ? I'm okay

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, thank you , you know , big

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win last night against the Manx , but

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I left early like an idiot

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and I

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missed it , so it's

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a bittersweet day .

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Yeah , well , I want to . We'll

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talk about because you are a chelsea

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supporter . So , uh , please , you know , um

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, everybody go easy on him , um

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. But I want to go back to you

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know your musical roots . Let's start there

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. Like what , what was you know 15

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year old telly listening to in his house

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?

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um , I was , I , I . I

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basically grew up as

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a kid in north kensington , kind

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of not in hill and not in dale around

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there , so the music of the

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streets really was , um

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, tamla , motown

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and reggae . So I , I , I , I

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got into black music and very early

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I . So I got into black music and

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very early I become very much a black music

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snob , as

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I tend to sort of . Whenever

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I tend to get into things , whether that's clothes

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or music or

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whatever it is , I

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tend to sort of go

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in feet first . And

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with reggae , you know , I , I used

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to go to Shepherd's Bush Market and

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hang out on where the reggae shops were

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there and , uh , you know

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, buy , buy at least one record a week

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with my pocket money . And

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, uh , you know , I was , I was into

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like in 19 , sort of what year are

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we looking at 15.

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? So when I was 15

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, yeah , I mean , I had a paper round then so

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I could buy kind of music . I

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think I would say I was like into Big Youth

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and Dennis Brown and Gregory Isaacs

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, but also very

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much like the records coming out of America

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, like Casey

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and the Sunshine Band . Cooling

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the Gang Wild and Peaceful Album

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was kind of an LP

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that kind of opened my mind

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to you know what was really

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modern in music in

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America , you know ?

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what was really

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modern in in music in america and how ? How was you know ? How

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did that go from like ? Did the fanzine

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start first , or

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did the record label come ? Come

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first ? Which ?

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oh , no , no , no , no , the boy , what

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boys own . The fanzine started

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first I

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had been very much into

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the Ends magazine , the

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Liverpool magazine . They even printed a

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couple of my really stupid letters . I

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wrote them and

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Hooten kind of every time I speak

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to him he laughs about it

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and I

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think I was . You know , I wrote a letter

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about what people were wearing at

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Chelsea at that time and

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they printed it and

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I'd always liked fanzines

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and printed stuff and

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you know I bought blues and

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soul magazine religiously , black

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music , religiously , the face , um

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, id , and

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I just thought , oh , we could , you know , we could write

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, we could do one of these for ourselves

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and kind of had a little kind of blueprint

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of I knew what fanzines

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were about . Fanzines were about creating

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a little world of your own and

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you write about what

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you want and what you are and

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if there's enough people who are

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like you , they buy it . And

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you also need to get a few enemies

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. So you need to sort of be able

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to to

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get a few enemies , so you need to sort of be able to uh , find

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people to take the piss out of , basically , and um , you know , we , we followed a blueprint

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that was , you know was very much

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the end , but it was also , uh

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, you know , even sniffing glue

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. You know that was another fanzine . I didn't

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like punk at all but I used to buy

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that , that magazine , because they used to sell it in rough

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trades and I used to , you

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know . So Boys' Home

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wasn't anything new , it was just

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kind of a continuation of

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a tradition really .

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Well , I mean , it's crazy to think . You

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know , obviously

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you started with Andrew Weatherall

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, the governor , you know Simon

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Eccles and Steve Maves

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. I mean , were

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you just all mates Like ? Did

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you all meet at Rough Trade ?

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No , no , we were mates . Andrew and

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Simon lived in Windsor and

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me and Steve lived in Slough and

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lived in Windsor and

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me and Steve lived in Slough and

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basically the M4 goes down the

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middle of the two towns and

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Slough was a pretty kind of it was a very

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, very working class town and it had a terrible reputation

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around that time . But there was a lot of kids in

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Slough who were really really into soul

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music and disco and

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funk . So we

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had a good scene in Slough . But

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the other side of the motorway , once

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you got into Windsor Town Centre , it was a little bit

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kind of . The

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girls were a bit nicer and you

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know , it was a bit safer . You didn't get like

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there's no chance of getting

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nutted on a night out by some

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sort of horrible person . So we

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used to go over there and hang out with Andrew

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, who was really young I mean , I

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was probably like about 21

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and he was probably about 17 then

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and we

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used to hang out in a pub called the adam and eve with

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them which was a bit of a goth

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club , uh , goth club pub

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and we didn't kind of . You know

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you didn't get goths in slough

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but it was quite . It was quite nice and

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you know he was a very clever kid and

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, um , when we decided

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to do the fanzine , you

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know he was the obvious person for me to kind

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of ask , to

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kind of help with the , the logistics

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of it all and how did

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the , the record label then come about

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?

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because I , I know you've , you know

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you and Pete did the Fire

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Island in what 91 , 92

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?

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I don't know about 90 , I mean , but yeah

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, but Junior Boys come

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out , junior Boys Own come . After

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Boys Own Productions , which

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was basically around

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about 89

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90 , I got

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asked by Houghton to

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remix Stepping Stone , the farm , and

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I'd never been in a studio . Andrew got

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asked to go and do Loaded

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. He'd never been in a studio and

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that was just simply because of the parties we

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were doing . We were doing these , you know , the boys'

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own parties and we were getting a lot of like

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a lot of pop people

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coming along , you know , just as punters . You know

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, kevin Rowland used to come , we had Bananarama

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, we had Martin Fry

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from ABC and

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Bobby Gillespie come down

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. I

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think Andrew I'm not sure , I think

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Andrew had been a big Jesus and the Mary

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chain fan and they

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just oh , do you want to remix the record

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? And we were like yeah , we've done a couple of remixes

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. And

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Pete Tong , who

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I had been DJing my

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first ever gigs really as

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a DJ . I was at a club called

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the Raid which was like there

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was nights at the WAG , there was nights in

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film

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studios and warehouse

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parties . So this was like 86 , 87

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. And me

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myself , paul Oakenfold

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and Pete Tong were the three residents

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and Pete

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was . You know , he had the dance side

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at London Records sewn

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up and he said , oh , do you want to do a label ? And we were

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like , oh , oh , okay , what do we have to do

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there ? He goes make a record

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, all right . Okay , here's

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a load of money . You know me , andrew and

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Pete and uh

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, a really good , really good , uh

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, producer Hugo Nicholson , um

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went into a very posh

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studio , uh , in 1989

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, it was about a thousand pound

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a day and , um

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, we made um raise your

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hands , uh , which is the Bocca Juniors

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record . Uh , and

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, yeah , and , and , and that was it

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really . I mean , uh , we , you

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know , I , I , I thought of the name

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managed to spell the , the word Boca

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, wrong on the label , which

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is a kind of running theme with me

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, actually with fanzines . We

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also wrote the first article Well

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, we never . Paul Oakenfold wrote it , but

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he wouldn't let us use his name

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because

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there was a lot of talk about drugs

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in it the very first article

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about that kind of acid-alcine

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amnesia , with Alfredo and

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I , because I used to do the

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layout of the magazine at home with Electroset

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, you know , on a piece of card

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and a piece of white A4 . And

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we would take that to the printer , friend . We

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knew who would actually make like these

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metal plates . And I spelt Balearic

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wrong , haven't

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we all ? You know ? Yeah , but

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not in the headline . The

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headline was Bermondsey goes Balearic . And

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yeah , I mean , you know , spelling

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has never , never , ever been one of my

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pluses

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. So

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, yeah , so we did the . And then it

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was , I mean , the Boys

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Own Productions records

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. You know we put some great records out

11:23

. You know we really did , but it

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it was too early . You

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know that the mondays hadn't kind of

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blown up , the farm hadn't

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really blown up either . Uh

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, and if

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we , I think if we'd come maybe

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a year later after you

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know that kind of whole , and maybe a year

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later after you know that kind of whole scene had been kind

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of , you know , blown up , I think we would have

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had much more success . But we were

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kind of . You know it's always . Someone said

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to me never be the people at the beginning

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, always be the people who come second , because

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they're the people who make money . You

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know , the ones at the beginning , you'll have people talking about you in 20 years' time , but you'll

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be penniless . And the people who

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come second or even third

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, they're the ones who make the money , because

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that's when the majority of the people are

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into that music .

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So where did the change come from then ? From

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Boyzone to Junior Boyzone ?

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Well , we got dropped basically

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by Pete Tong

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because we just wasn't selling

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enough records . We were selling , you know

12:31

, to a very small scene which

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was , you know at that time kind of terms

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, the Balearic Network . You

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know , there was one . There was a club in Liverpool

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which was Cream . In

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its very early stages there

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was most excellent in Manchester

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. There was

12:51

Venus in Nottingham . There

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was , oh , there was a place in Middlesbrough

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. Oh , charlie Chester got involved with

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him . I can't think of the name of it , but that

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was kind of about it really . So

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you know , we were only selling a few thousand

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records and they had put quite

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a lot of money into the idea . So

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we got dropped . But the length

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of our contract meant there was some

13:19

money to keep an office going

13:21

, to keep an

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office going . So

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you know , we decided to sort of do a diffusion range . If you want , john

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Paul Gaultier was doing Junior

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Gaultier at that time , which

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was very popular in London , and we was like oh right , we'll call it Junior Boys

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Own Men , and that

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was the right label at the right time , as

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opposed to our previous

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incarnation being the right label

13:50

at the wrong time .

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I mean Pete Tong must be kicking

13:54

himself , though . You know . I mean

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you go from Boyzone to you're

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just changing a name , really and

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you know , underworld , like I

14:04

said , express 2 , and and then Doss

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Brothers .

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Yeah , it wasn't . I think it wasn't just

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a name Boyzone . The

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records that come out in Boyzone were very kind

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of they were Balearic

14:16

records . You know , there

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was all sorts of records Left , stressed , stump

14:21

, dream it's Over , brilliant , all sorts of records

14:24

Less Stressed , don't Dream it's Over , you know , and and

14:26

, but they , they were kind of Balearic records

14:28

for that time . You

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know , sitting in a field doing

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a pill watching the sun come up , whereas

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Junior Boys' own was about house

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music and

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I think at that time FFR

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, which was the Pete Tong's , the parent

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label , they were a house label . So

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we would have just been like I

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think we would have just got

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lost . It

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was the right time for Junior

14:57

Boyzone .

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Yeah , I mean it's just an iconic label

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. You know it's

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the pinnacle for

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me . Growing up , I

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mean I had the best of both

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worlds , you know , living

15:15

outside of Liverpool and

15:17

then moving over to the States . So

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I knew house music from back home and

15:23

then house music in the States and then

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I actually saw the

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Dust Brothers . Their first appearance

15:30

was in Orlando at

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the DJ's place and

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they're in the outside

15:39

backstage . Icy

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and Josh Wink were inside and

15:44

it was rammed stage

15:47

. Um , icy and josh wink were inside and it was rammed . But outside it was dust brothers

15:49

, basement twins and a lad called dj who from baltimore , and

15:51

that that was actually the first time

15:54

I'd ever heard the

15:56

dust brothers and they just blew

15:59

me away . And then after that I

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was like tracking down every junior

16:03

boy's own truck .

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Yeah , I think what

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happened with them was Andrew was playing a gig in Manchester and he said

16:15

that there was a couple of kids from , like

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you know , the home counties

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come up to him with a cassette and

16:22

said oh

16:25

you know , we're big fans of yours and we've made this record

16:27

. What do you think of it ? And I don't

16:29

know how he'd listen to it , but he'd

16:31

come in the office on Monday

16:33

and said this record's great , you've

16:35

got to release this . And

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yeah , steve asked , you know he said come

16:41

and listen to it , what do you think ? And

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it kind of wasn't really

16:45

my thing . You know , I was I'm kind

16:47

of like an american black

16:50

music house band and

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it wasn't . It wasn't but you could

16:54

tell it was really good and I was

16:56

kind of like well , look , if you and andrew both

16:59

think it's really good

17:01

, you know , uh , let's go with it

17:03

, you and yeah , obviously

17:06

they had to change their name because it was an American

17:09

hip-hop band called the Dust Brothers .

17:12

Yeah , still to this day . Song

17:14

of the Siren the Sabres mix is

17:16

one of my favourites . Yeah

17:18

, it's just from start

17:20

to finish . You know , it's one of those

17:23

where you know , I mean

17:25

I DJ

17:27

as well , but sometimes , you know , this

17:30

generation have got a span

17:33

of like two , three minutes of listening to

17:35

a record . Yeah , yeah , that

17:37

record you just play from start to finish . I

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mean yeah .

17:40

I'm afraid that's TikTok for you . You know that , yeah , it's reducing their attention

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span . Yeah , I'm afraid that's TikTok for you . You

17:45

know that , yeah , reducing their attention

17:47

span . I noticed that

17:49

it's not a new thing . I noticed about

17:51

five years no , about

17:53

eight years ago , me and Pete played in Turin

17:55

and we walked in this club

17:58

and it was really really jumping

18:00

. I was fucking , oh , this is going to be good

18:02

. And

18:05

then , kind of , I noticed that the guy was only playing three minutes of a record

18:07

, four minutes to record . You know , uh

18:09

, and me and Pete , when , when we used

18:12

to play together a lot , we used to play

18:14

records we liked

18:16

and and we would really let them records

18:18

play , you know , some eight , nine

18:20

minute records , uh , and

18:22

it was , you know , for us it was about the flow , uh

18:26

, kind of . You know , I don't really

18:28

like that , taking people on journey stuff

18:31

. It sounds a bit pretentious , but

18:33

if you , you know , if you really like

18:35

a record , you should let it play . And

18:37

we lost the crowd , you know

18:39

we lost it . You know you

18:42

could see that they just wasn't kind of , they

18:48

wasn't there for that kind of vibe . So , um , yeah

18:51

, and it's only getting worse because

18:53

, you know , because of tiktok and

18:55

people's especially younger

18:57

people's attention span yeah

19:00

, well , it seems to be like with with records

19:02

as well .

19:02

You know , like you'd have the , a dub

19:05

plate or a white label and

19:07

I was having a chat with mark xtc

19:10

, uh , yesterday , and

19:12

you know how , when you used to play vinyl

19:15

, um , you get changed spotters , but then

19:17

you'd put like stickers over the actual names

19:20

. You know , these days you

19:22

just you just pick up your phone and

19:24

you start in front of the speaker and

19:26

then it's online

19:28

within you know , 20 minutes

19:31

, and that takes the

19:33

romanticism out of

19:35

the scene a bit . You know , it was always great

19:37

to hear tracks that you've never

19:39

heard before .

19:41

Yeah , yeah , absolutely heard

19:47

before . Yeah , yeah , absolutely , and and that gave the track time to build as well . Um , rather

19:49

than kind of , like you know , I , I I've noticed with myself

19:51

. Actually , you know , I'll probably

19:53

sort of , you know , find I'll

19:56

manage to find at least five or six records

19:58

I really like every week , either

20:00

from a promo or buying them from band

20:02

camp or track sourceels , and

20:04

I'll play them that weekend , but

20:07

by the next

20:09

weekend there's probably only one

20:11

of them records I'm still playing , you know , whereas back

20:13

in the day , if you

20:15

got a test pressing , you know

20:17

there would only be like 20

20:20

people with that test pressing in the

20:22

country and you know

20:24

you could be playing that for three months before that

20:26

record come out and

20:28

, uh , you know , the crowd really got to know

20:31

it , whereas I don't think

20:33

they really do now . I think , you know , I think

20:35

it's , uh , I

20:37

think I think djs

20:39

seem to think that

20:42

, uh , the whole

20:44

, the whole night is more

20:46

about their performance than what

20:48

they play spot

20:51

on .

20:52

I I 100 agree with you . I

20:54

mean , I think you know it . It's

20:58

, it's weird for , especially

21:01

for yourself , you've been in the scene for

21:03

a very long time . I've been in

21:05

the scene for , you know , 40

21:08

years as well , and you

21:10

know times do change . We've got

21:12

to change with the times . But it's

21:15

just hard

21:17

to go to a show now and everybody

21:20

has their phone out instead of

21:22

taking , like back in the day , no

21:24

phones . It's just

21:27

that moment lives in my

21:29

brain . I

21:31

had my crazy times , as everyone

21:34

else has , but you still remember

21:36

, you know ? Yeah , absolutely

21:38

. People seem to think they

21:40

need to capture everything on a phone

21:42

to

21:45

be reminded and I'm like well , you have a

21:47

mind , just take it in

21:49

.

21:52

I mean , there's also a

21:54

kind of trend now with , you

21:56

know , clubs banning phones

21:58

. Certain clubs

22:00

, you know , will tell . But there's also

22:03

, I think I've noticed , especially

22:05

with kind of more , slightly more mature

22:08

crowds , there's a bit of self-policing

22:10

now . You know , people

22:12

get a phone out and hold the phone up

22:14

and you can see people look , you

22:16

know disapproving looks really

22:19

, and they tend to put it back in their pocket

22:21

a bit quickly and you know you

22:28

can be snobbish about all that . But

22:32

it is about the moment , it is about your

22:34

experience , not

22:36

the experience through the lens , isn't

22:40

it ? And it's

22:42

the same with football . When

22:44

you see people and I don't

22:46

know there's a penalty and

22:49

they're old and they're fine , you'll

22:51

be able to watch that on telly and

22:55

you don't need it on

22:57

your phone . It's going to look shit , it's going

22:59

to sound shit . That

23:01

great atmosphere that

23:03

you're going to be in when that penalty goes

23:06

in was going to really transfer

23:08

badly to your phone . You're

23:10

going to go . Oh , I thought it was a lot better

23:12

than that when I was there . Well , it's the same . Do you need a phone to dance ?

23:14

No , I thought it was a lot better than that when I was there . Well , it's the same . Do you need a phone

23:17

to dance ? No , you don't .

23:19

No , you don't .

23:21

But before I want

23:23

to get into Chelsea , you

23:25

know , obviously I think I have to

23:27

need to bring up Underworld

23:30

. You know , getting them onto Junior

23:32

Boyzone . How did that

23:34

come about ? Because you know they

23:36

did learn .

23:37

That was Darren Emerson . Yeah

23:39

, basically it was Darren Emerson . Darren was

23:42

DJing

23:44

at Nicky Holloway's Monday

23:46

night weekly

23:49

party called the Recession Session

23:52

, I believe at the Milk Bar which

23:54

was next to the Astoria on

23:57

Tottenham Court Road and he was

23:59

from Romford and

24:02

he was , you know , he was like 18

24:04

years old , but really

24:07

good DJ , really

24:09

good DJ . He played it . We did

24:11

a party

24:13

down on the coast played

24:19

it . we did a party um down on the coast and I

24:21

remember him , uh , cutting two copies of a treaty by youth for lindy you remember

24:23

that record , yeah , like like with , with all

24:25

the kind of you know um aboriginal

24:28

noises going on , and he was cutting

24:30

from one to another and it just went on forever

24:32

, uh , and I was just like fucking

24:34

hell , who is this kid , you know ? And then

24:36

, and then he he'd

24:39

met the two , you

24:41

know the two guys who were underworld

24:43

. But I'm not sure if they were actually called

24:46

underworld at that time , because I think they've been , they've

24:48

been a you know a

24:50

previous incarnation , um

24:53

, and

24:55

well , I think , maybe just like an electronic

24:57

band , pop band as opposed

24:59

to dance band , and and I

25:02

I believed it kind of . You know he started working

25:04

with them , um , and

25:06

then he came , come into steve

25:08

steve hall , in in the uh

25:11

, junior boys own offices with

25:13

some tapes and , like you know , let's

25:15

have a listen to this . And , you know , steve

25:18

saw the potential and , you

25:22

know , gave them money to go and make some music

25:24

.

25:24

Yeah , yeah , and

25:26

that's some music , you

25:28

know , I mean Rez , cowgirl

25:30

, born , slippy are

25:33

, you know , instilled in , you

25:35

know , electronic music history

25:37

. I mean , it just goes on from there

25:40

. But , um , let's

25:42

get to your , your . Well , one

25:44

of your favorite parts is chelsea

25:46

football club . Um , when

25:50

, when was the first time you went went to

25:52

to stan Bridge ?

25:56

I used to live walking

25:59

distance to Queen's Park Rangers

26:01

ground and all

26:03

my family were Rangers fans and

26:06

I used to get taken to Rangers by

26:08

my dad in this kind of this

26:11

is like about 69

26:14

, 70 . This is like about 69

26:16

, 70

26:18

. And

26:22

he used to put me in a boys' pen in

26:24

the loft dens and we played Chelsea

26:26

. Say we played right , qpr had just won the cup

26:29

. They won the League Cup in 1967

26:31

. They beat West Brom and QPR were in the third division then in 67

26:33

. They beat West Brom and QPR were in the third division . Then you

26:36

know , I mean incredible kind

26:38

of thing

26:40

to do for a third division team

26:42

to win a cup final . And

26:45

there was a testimonial

26:47

for a player called Mick

26:49

Leach , or was it Mike

26:51

Keane One of them ? I think no , maybe Mike Keane

26:54

and QPR

26:56

played Chelsea and

26:58

I was in the boys' pen and

27:01

it was a really nice

27:03

sunny day so I presume it was pre-season

27:06

, maybe about

27:08

1968 . And

27:11

I watched this

27:14

big gang of kids maybe 200

27:16

, 300 , we could walk

27:18

right around the ground back in them days , you know walk

27:21

from what was near Weyand up

27:24

down the sideline into the loft

27:26

and kind of went up the back of the loft and

27:28

the clothes they were wearing . They were all

27:30

in like kind of pastel

27:33

stay press and Ben Shermans

27:36

, dr Martin

27:38

boots , and a lot of them were in shoes

27:40

, you know , like they

27:44

were called Timpsons Royals , but they were like

27:46

wingtips , wingtip

27:54

brogues , and most of these

27:56

kids were like 14 , 15 . And I was about 10

27:58

. And I was like fucking hell , I want to

28:00

be a Chelsea fan . You know , it literally was

28:02

. You know about the

28:04

look and about the clothes , you know

28:07

, and it was like I've got to go to

28:09

Chelsea and it was like no , you can't

28:11

go to Chelsea , you're too young , you're

28:13

not allowed on the bus . Didn't know anyone who

28:15

supported Chelsea . Everyone

28:20

who I knew in that part of London was Queen's Park Rangers

28:22

. So I never went . And then my

28:24

family got moved out to Slough and

28:27

Slough was like a kind of imagine , like

28:29

Runcorn is to Liverpool and Manchester

28:32

, that's what Slough is to like

28:34

West London and

28:36

everyone was Chelsea in Slough . All

28:38

their families had been moved out from Fulham

28:40

and from Battersea

28:43

and it was all Chelsea . And

28:45

you know , once I kind of hit

28:48

13 , I could get a paper round

28:50

and I went

28:52

up to Chelsea and I think the

28:54

first game I went to was

28:57

Bobby

28:59

Charlton's last game and

29:02

I went up to . We got

29:05

in the ground early and it was

29:07

, I mean , I think it was 60,000

29:09

people in the ground that game and

29:11

I just remember being in the shed and it was just like

29:14

a thieving

29:16

mass of teenage testosterone

29:18

and

29:21

you know it was totally different from

29:23

what QPR was like . Qpr was , you

29:25

know , a really kind of passionate , local

29:28

kind of crowd . You

29:30

know loads of kind

29:32

of men , you know grown

29:34

men , very funny blokes , whereas

29:37

Chelsea was just teenager

29:39

rampage . You know it was just

29:41

and I was just

29:44

completely hooked . You know I was completely

29:46

hooked and

29:49

by about 75 , I

29:53

was going to away games as well .

29:55

I was going to away games as well . Yeah , I

29:58

think the away games are much

30:02

better because it's the travelling

30:04

with all your mates that you do , especially

30:07

when you play in Europe

30:09

. But Liverpool and Chelsea I

30:12

think it took us a long time

30:14

to have a big rivalry . You

30:16

know , it wasn't until you know

30:19

.

30:19

Probably , I would say like the ghost

30:22

goal from Luis Garcia

30:24

, where it really I

30:27

would say for a lot of people it might have been the

30:29

82 game in the FA Cup at Chelsea

30:31

. You know when , when

30:34

there was you know it was , was

30:38

it 82 ? It was 82 , yeah , when

30:41

there was quite a lot of you know shenanigans

30:44

going on from very early

30:46

in the morning at Warren Street to very late

30:48

at night at Euston and

30:51

in the way end . I mean it was quite a classic kind

30:54

of game that for

30:57

that era , you know where , like , clothes

30:59

become really important what

31:01

you're wearing . And I

31:06

mean from then , and

31:08

I also think you know it's like there

31:10

was a whole thing about , you know like wasn't

31:12

there , like you know , scousers , manx

31:14

and Cockneys , you know . But

31:20

I think yeah , I think you're right Probably the

31:23

kind of that

31:25

kind of like on the field

31:27

rivalry probably was

31:29

then , because we were awful then we did

31:31

beat you in that game and we also beat

31:34

you in the 78 FA Cup

31:36

game at Chelsea , 4-2

31:40

, I think . But no

31:42

, yeah , it was probably

31:44

then You're right .

31:47

I think with the Mourinho and Benitez

31:50

thing . I mean Mourinho

31:54

back then to me was

31:56

an amazing tactician

31:59

but he also had

32:01

that little quirky sense of humour . I

32:04

think he's lost it a bit . You

32:06

know , back then he was kind of cocky

32:08

with the media and everything he was

32:10

young .

32:11

He was young . We're all cocky when we're young . We're

32:13

all cocky and quirky . He was young

32:15

. We're all cocky when we're young , we're

32:18

all cocky and quirky , and

32:21

you know we all have our best ideas when we're young . You know

32:23

there's still a lot of people at Chelsea . You know , even

32:25

like last night people were , you know

32:27

, when we were 3-2 down and you know

32:29

people were going get

32:33

him out of the club , get Poch out . Get Poch out . You know , get Jose back to the end of

32:35

the season interim manager , which

32:37

I think would be an absolute disaster . But

32:43

you know people still love him at Chelsea

32:46

. You know they still love

32:48

him at Chelsea .

32:49

Well , I mean he won . You know the titles

32:51

for you , yeah , but

32:53

I mean that's modern day football

32:55

. Terry , you know something , something goes wrong

32:57

on the pitch . It's this player's fault

33:00

. You know . Sack the manager , we're

33:02

too quick to . You know , kind

33:05

of I mean you can criticize

33:07

your team , you know , I mean Klopp's

33:10

got it wrong sometimes on on , you know

33:12

bringing subs , on taking players

33:14

off , you can criticize , but then

33:16

when you start like just screaming

33:18

for them to be sacked or

33:20

this player , you know sod

33:23

off , it's

33:25

just like come on lads . You know

33:27

, potts

33:29

, just I mean to me he's a

33:31

fantastic manager . He

33:33

just needs to sort out , like out

33:35

, who his first 11 really

33:37

are . I mean , cole Palmer

33:39

, for me , has saved your season .

33:42

Oh , absolutely Absolutely . And

33:44

if they don't sort it out next season , I

33:48

could see someone probably

33:50

not an English club , because I don't think

33:52

he would go straight away to an English

33:54

club , because I don't think he would go straight away to an

33:57

English club but I could see him leaving . If

33:59

we're this shit next season . I could

34:01

see , you know , bayern

34:04

Munich or Barcelona coming in

34:07

for him and him quite happily going

34:09

.

34:09

You know he hasn't got any , any

34:11

ties with Chelsea , any allegiance , you

34:13

know well , I saw that interview I

34:15

think it was last week and

34:18

it was pitch side , you

34:20

know and they were just like , you know , thank God , chelsea

34:22

have you . And he was just kind of like , yeah

34:25

, you know . Basically , yeah , you

34:27

know , I mean I

34:29

can't believe City , let him go

34:31

. I really can't , because he's

34:33

a fantastic footballer and he looks

34:35

like he's got a good head on his shoulders you

34:37

know mature for his age

34:39

, and I think you know the skies

34:42

, yeah .

34:43

I think . I think basically , you

34:45

know Foden is is 18

34:48

months ahead of him in his development and

34:51

you know he was always going

34:53

to be number one . You know he was always going

34:55

to be number one , you know . And so

34:58

he knew he wasn't going to get , you know , and I

35:00

think they just let him go because you

35:02

know they have Foden who is a better

35:04

player at the moment by far .

35:07

Yeah , he's banging them in and he's probably

35:09

, you know , doing

35:12

help in City because I mean , to me City

35:15

haven't been as good as

35:17

last season . You know , letting

35:20

Mahrez Guggenheim go , I think

35:22

is massive for them , yes

35:24

, but you know what

35:27

were your expectations , like , you

35:29

know , at the start of this season , Like

35:34

realistic , you know what you know what you

35:36

know , what I

35:38

didn't really know .

35:39

Really , I

35:43

think Americans really should

35:45

be kept away from British football

35:48

. American owners , I think

35:50

you know I really really

35:52

really don't . I can't see . You

35:54

know I don't fit in the ones . Liverpool have been

35:58

great . The Arsenal

36:00

, you know they had their American

36:02

owners . I don't know they

36:07

ripped the arse out of a side

36:10

that just won the Champions League and then

36:12

won the World Club title

36:14

. You know , I

36:20

thought we would be top four , right

36:23

, and I thought the first game of the

36:25

season when we played Liverpool and

36:28

we were by far the better side . You

36:30

know all these kids , we

36:32

all thought , wow , here we go , but that

36:34

didn't last long . I

36:39

don't know , you know , I don't know , I

36:41

don't know . I've got no idea what's going to happen

36:43

next year . I

36:46

think they really have to bite

36:48

the bullet and buy some experience

36:50

. You know an experience number

36:53

nine and

36:55

an experience centre half . You

37:00

know we've got centre halves and they're

37:02

children . Really , you know , yeah

37:04

.

37:05

Well , I just think Bowley just went to the supermarket

37:08

and like bought everything . I

37:12

think that's what his problem was and Pochettino should

37:15

have kind of said hold on a minute , I

37:17

don't need all these young players . But

37:21

I just think he went with it and I think

37:23

that's why you are where

37:26

you are at this moment . But

37:28

I mean , you know you're in a

37:30

FA Cup semi-final , I

37:34

mean it is against City , but you

37:36

never know , you know it's a one-off .

37:38

You never know . You know what . You

37:40

know . I didn't give us a chance about beating

37:42

them in Porto either . You know , in the Champions

37:44

League final Didn't give us a

37:46

hope in hell , and

37:49

you know know we pulled it off . But

37:52

then we sold the two players who

37:55

you know , mason Mount and Kai

37:57

Havertz , who you know the creator

37:59

of the goal and the scorer of the goal . You know

38:02

. We flogged both of those off and we bought some

38:04

, like you know , children

38:07

to take their place , and it's just bizarre . You know

38:09

it's bizarre . And you know children to take their place , and it's just bizarre . You

38:12

know it's bizarre .

38:14

And you know , a couple of points with

38:17

that win last night

38:19

, a couple of points from seventh

38:21

, so anything can happen . You

38:23

know , I mean for you , like

38:25

for myself

38:28

, like if Liverpool were in like 10th and were

38:30

only three points behind in 7th , I

38:32

probably would want to

38:34

give Europa Conference League

38:36

a miss . Absolutely

38:39

, absolutely .

38:41

Although it is the only

38:43

club competition we haven't won

38:45

now , yeah , because

38:47

it wasn't there . So maybe you know , maybe

38:51

being the team who's actually , because

38:55

I think it's only man United , liverpool

38:57

and Chelsea isn't it in England

39:00

who have won all the competitions no

39:02

, we haven't won Europa League

39:04

did

39:06

you not ?

39:07

I thought you weren't no , really well , we

39:09

you did . You did a kind of cup winners cup , but Did you not ? I thought

39:11

you weren't no , really Well . You did a kind of it's called the Cup Winners'

39:13

Cup , but Klopp's never won

39:15

Europa League but

39:18

Liverpool have . Yeah

39:21

, when it was called the European

39:23

Cup Winners' Cup . Yeah

39:25

, but not the new Europa League thing

39:28

. We haven't Right ?

39:29

I think the Cup Winners' Cup , Not the new Europa League thing . We

39:31

haven't Right . I think the Europa Cup , I

39:35

think the Cup Winners' Cup . They just got rid of that , though , didn't

39:37

they ? And the Europa League ? Did

39:45

Liverpool not win that with

39:47

Michael Owen in Spain ? Like about when you did a plastic treble

39:49

, didn't you ? Yeah

39:54

, when we beat Alaves , yeah , I think that was .

39:55

I love that .

39:57

Yeah , I think the Europa Cup used

39:59

to be called the

40:02

Bears Cup didn't it ?

40:04

Something like that ? Yeah , but I think Europa

40:06

League .

40:07

Anyway , you're right . I mean

40:09

, you know , I've got no interest

40:11

in a kind of dodgy Thursday night

40:14

trip to Hungary anymore . So

40:16

yeah , I think we'd be better off staying

40:18

out of it .

40:21

I agree , I'd be the same way . But you know it's

40:25

a funny old world where you can

40:27

end up . You know , I'm hoping , you know

40:29

we're we're challenging for the title , you

40:32

know , and hopefully you get your OPA . It's

40:34

a swan song for good old clop , um

40:37

, but yeah , uh , you know

40:39

I . I just think it's been crazy that

40:41

the last cup , three seasons

40:43

between us and and your team , you

40:45

know being in three finals and

40:48

only really scored yeah

40:50

, we only scored one , like

40:52

one goal . Yeah , you

40:54

know it's been . We've always

40:56

had a tough time against Chelsea . You've

40:59

always had our number . I

41:01

remember the 4-4

41:03

at Stamford Bridge . Oh

41:05

, yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , that was insane . It

41:07

was just goal back , goal back

41:10

, goal back .

41:11

There was another good one wasn't there when

41:13

Mark Hughes , and when

41:17

was that ? Were we 2-0 down

41:19

and we ended up beating you 4-2 in

41:22

an FA Cup game ? Yeah , vialli

41:25

, I think , scored . It was a really good Chelsea

41:27

side then . You know , the late 90s

41:29

was a really good Chelsea side then

41:31

you know the late 90s was a really

41:33

good Chelsea side . You

41:36

know we had Vialli , we

41:39

had the centre-half from Frank Leboeuf

41:41

and it was a really , really good side that we

41:45

nearly won the title . I remember we

41:47

I think we had to win the last two games

41:49

or something . I remember we I think we had to win the last

41:52

two games or something and I went to Miami for the Miami

41:54

Music Week conference . You

42:00

know where everyone went and

42:04

we were trying to find . We were trying to find somewhere

42:06

to find . I think Chelsea were playing , chelsea were playing someone's shit

42:09

at home and I was trying to find

42:11

somewhere to watch the game

42:13

. There was no internet and

42:17

I couldn't find anywhere . And I remember we're walking along

42:20

. You know it would be like you

42:22

know we didn't have the mobile phones . It would be like

42:24

maybe when I get back to the hotel I

42:26

can use their phone to ring . You know , ring home

42:29

see what the score was , and

42:31

I'm pretty sure it was Giles Peterson was walking

42:33

along the road and he went oh , you only

42:35

got a draw . It was drawn against Leicester

42:37

, we 2-0 up against Leicester and

42:41

we blew it . We blew it and

42:43

Vialli was . That was right , and Vialli

42:46

was the manager then , and

42:49

Bates , because

42:51

we blew the title , the league title

42:53

that year . He sacked him , which

42:58

was an absolute tragedy

43:03

. And yeah , we

43:06

won the FA Cup twice and the League Cup and the

43:09

European Cup Winners' Cup in that

43:11

little period in the late 90s with

43:13

Viali and Ruud Gullit and

43:17

Di Matteo . Yeah , we had a really good , very

43:19

attractive side to watch , but

43:22

we definitely blew the title . We should

43:24

have won the title in that period

43:26

.

43:27

Well , to me , like you know , baloch

43:29

Drogba . Drogba was one

43:31

of the best footballers I've seen . He

43:34

just had everything you know physicality

43:37

, just technical , just

43:39

absolutely brilliant . I

43:41

think you know another one's Kante Love

43:44

Kante . I wish he , you

43:46

know , would have been 10 years

43:49

younger and we would have Liverpool would have picked

43:51

him up . I

43:54

wish we never had Joe Cole . I'll tell you that

43:56

that was a complete waste of money .

44:03

Yeah , but Joe Cole might

44:05

have been one of Mourinho's failures

44:07

. What he wanted

44:09

Joe Cole to do , instead of sort

44:11

of letting him , you know , express

44:13

himself , you know . So

44:18

you know , yeah , I don't know . I

44:20

mean , I think the Drogba thing might be . It's

44:23

like I remember when Drogba first

44:25

played for Chelsea I think we played Newcastle

44:28

and in the paper

44:30

it had , I mean , I remember the

44:32

reporter saying you know , he was like

44:34

a young boy chasing

44:37

a balloon around a park

44:39

, you know he couldn't , and the Newcastle

44:42

fans were all singing what a Waste of Money , what

44:44

a Waste of Money . And we were all like

44:46

, oh , and Mourinho , I

44:49

think , got interviewed and he said look

44:51

, don't judge Drogba by this season

44:53

. Judge Drogba

44:56

when he leaves Chelsea at the end of his career

44:58

. And

45:00

maybe you know some of them kids at

45:03

Chelsea now . Maybe we

45:06

do that and judge them then . I

45:08

don't know yeah

45:10

, will

45:13

anyone get that sort of time anymore .

45:14

Yeah , I mean , that's the thing , isn't it ? I ? I

45:16

think that's what I'll miss about clop

45:18

. The most is he's giving these

45:20

young kids a chance to

45:22

shine and they've , they've all

45:25

done it . I mean , conor bradley , like

45:27

coming in for trent , like you

45:30

know , t Trent's Trent , you know whether

45:32

people can discuss

45:34

. Like you know , is he a good defender

45:36

. You know what he brings more

45:38

to the team , like the

45:41

team set up for

45:43

Trent to play the way he plays . You know

45:45

, yeah , sure he goes forward . Then , you

45:47

know , then Henderson would come back in that

45:49

space . But

45:53

Conor Bradley , 18 years old , to come in , if he had a bad game I'm

45:56

sure people in the stands would be he's

45:59

too young and blah blah . We've

46:01

got to give these young players a chance

46:04

to shine . Yeah , too

46:07

many people are too judgmental

46:09

too quickly . So

46:12

we've got to . But you know

46:15

what I usually end with Terry

46:17

is I'll ask my musical

46:20

guest ultimate

46:22

headline festival

46:27

for a Friday , saturday

46:29

and a Sundayay day .

46:31

So your headliners for friday , saturday

46:33

, sunday and these are

46:35

people in their prime or now um

46:38

, it's , it's , whether alive or dead .

46:40

You know what ? Who would you ? Okay , yeah

46:42

?

46:43

all right , uh , I would go . I

46:45

would go friday . I

46:48

would go for a kind of funky

46:50

vibe and I would

46:52

go for I'm

46:56

trying to think of the really good bands

46:58

I saw back in the day . I would go for

47:00

the Fatback Band on a Friday night . I

47:03

saw them at the California Ballroom

47:05

in Dunstable in

47:08

1977

47:10

. Ballroom

47:17

in Dunstable in 1977 and it was 5,000 people standing

47:19

up in there and it was like a football ground and and in fact a lot of the kids in there were people

47:21

who went to football and they started chanting

47:23

, bring on the fat back , bring on the

47:25

fat back . And when the band

47:28

come on they look fucking terrified

47:30

because of the reception they got

47:32

. You know it was like crazy , but

47:34

they were a brilliant funk band . So I'd have

47:36

Fatback band on Friday night . Saturday

47:40

night I would have Marvin

47:42

Gaye . I saw him

47:44

at the Royal Albert Hall about

47:47

in the early 80s and

47:49

you you know he is absolute

47:52

class , absolute class . And

47:55

Sunday afternoon

47:57

, big Youth . He

48:00

was someone who I was obsessed

48:02

with and he was a

48:04

real kind of like . During that punk rock

48:06

era all the punks liked Big Youth and

48:10

I wasn't a punk , I've

48:12

always been a soul boy , but you know

48:14

he was great and I saw him in

48:17

a pub in Lewisham about four years

48:19

ago called the Fox and Firkin

48:22

, where they put on reggae bands

48:24

, and there was only about 200

48:26

people in there and he's probably early 70s . And he was

48:29

only about 200 people in there and he's probably early 70s

48:31

and he was fantastic . He

48:33

was absolutely amazing . So

48:36

, yeah , them three .

48:37

Nice , any

48:41

gigs coming up for you ?

48:44

Oh God , yeah , I'm in Brighton

48:46

tomorrow . I've

48:48

got festivals this summer . I've

48:50

got Shindig , which is a really good festival

48:53

down in the West Coast

48:55

. I'm going to Malta

48:58

, croatia , italy

49:01

, ibiza , and

49:07

I might take myself to New York

49:09

. I haven't been to New York for long , so I might just

49:11

go for a little holiday there you

49:13

go .

49:14

Well , you know I live in

49:16

Texas , so , oh

49:18

well , yeah , yeah , I

49:21

would love for you to come here , it

49:23

would you know . Do you still

49:25

do ? Do you do South Park Weekender

49:27

at all ?

49:30

No , me and Pete played there once back

49:32

in the day and

49:34

we didn't go down particularly

49:36

well , to be quite honest with you . At

49:39

that time we were going to New York a lot and we

49:42

were going to a club called the Sound Factory where

49:44

Junior Vasquez was playing , and we

49:46

had become a bit obsessed with that

49:49

kind of hard kind

49:51

of darker sound darker

49:54

gay New York sound . And

49:57

yeah , it didn't work

49:59

in Southport not at all never

50:03

got asked back . I'd love to do it . I mean

50:05

, I heard , you know , I

50:07

heard really good things . Funny

50:10

enough , the Southport Weekender now is in Bognor

50:12

Regis .

50:13

Yeah , they've changed it , yeah .

50:15

Yeah , and I

50:17

knew people who went , you know , like last

50:19

month it was , and they said , you know , Ron

50:21

Trent apparently was absolutely amazing and

50:23

it was a really good event . So

50:26

I would like to go , even if they're not asking

50:28

me to DJ , maybe I'll go along as

50:31

a punter , sit in the deck chair .

50:34

Yeah Well , terry

50:36

, it's been an absolute pleasure . You

50:38

know you are embedded in my

50:40

musical history , what you've

50:43

done for Acid House and house music . You

50:45

know I couldn't thank you any

50:47

more . You know , obviously

50:49

I'm a Liverpool supporter , you're a Chelsea

50:52

supporter , but I really appreciate you

50:54

like coming on and kind of you

50:56

know , giving your

50:58

kind of opinion on . You know what's

51:00

going on in the stands , like . You

51:02

know , like the chants , the

51:06

horrible chanting needs to stop

51:08

. It's just

51:10

, you know it's grown men , it's 50

51:13

, 60-year-old men saying horrible things

51:15

that these young kids are picking

51:17

up on and they're singing it and they don't

51:19

understand what they're really singing

51:22

. That needs to stop . But

51:24

you know I appreciate you

51:26

coming on and you know spending a little time

51:28

with me .

51:30

Okay , no , thank you very much Des .

51:31

Appreciate it . Please , everybody

51:34

like and subscribe , and we'll see you next

51:36

time .

51:49

And

51:57

then , oh so , there's a song on the tide and

52:02

it's a sweet silver song . Oh

52:33

my God For the dream he taught and the hope . Oh

52:42

, oh , we hope , we

52:48

hope , and we hope , oh , oh , oh Bye .