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Hello friends and welcome back to the

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Liz Moody podcast. I'm your host Liz

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Moody and I'm a bestselling author and

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long-time journalist. This podcast is all about

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helping you live your healthiest, happiest life,

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whether we're learning to identify and deal

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with narcissists, dispelling wellness

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myths from social media, or

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getting science-backed secrets for living

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longer. And yes, those are all real

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episodes and they are linked in the show notes

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if you want to listen. I

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am so excited about this episode.

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I got to sit

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down with the Dr. Michael Gervais,

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one of the world's top performance

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psychologists. He is the host of

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the Finding Mastery podcast, the co-creator

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of the Performance Science Institute at

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USC, and the author of

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the amazing best-selling book, The First Rule

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of Mastery, Stop Worrying About What People

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Think of You. Basically,

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he is called in to help

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the best in the world, whether

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in business, sport, the arts, science,

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when they need to achieve the

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extraordinary. He's been the consulting psychologist

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for Team USA at five different

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Olympic games. He has trained leadership

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teams at the world's largest companies.

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He helped the Seattle Seahawks win

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two Super Bowls by building a

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mindset-based culture. And now he's going

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to help us unlock the secrets

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we need to achieve the success

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we want in our lives, no

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matter what our dreams are. As

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you will hear in the episode, I took

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a little bit of a different approach here.

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Essentially, I dove into all of Dr. Gervais'

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work and I connected some through lines and

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I outlined what I thought he would say

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were five habits that you need to unlock

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success. And then I presented

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them to him and we really

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drilled down on each one. We

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got into any questions, concerns. We

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refined, refined, refined. And

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by the end, we came to a

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very satisfying list, which I hope will

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be helpful to you. This

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conversation has so many incredible

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times. takeaways. And as

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always, we would love to hear your

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thoughts as you're listening. So definitely screenshot

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Michael Gervais. You're also definitely

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are universally applicable. I'm going to

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bounce ideas with to continue exploring these

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topics with. Are you

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excited? I am so excited

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to share this with you. So let's

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jump right into it. Dr.

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Gervais, thank you so much for coming on the

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podcast today. I am excited to be here with you.

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Thank you for having me. I'm such a fan of your

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work. I was just telling you I have a little bit

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of an interesting frame for the episode today

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where I've selected five things that I

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think are the secrets of the world's

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top performers based on

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your work. But you can tell me whether or not

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they're true, whether you disagree, we'll get into questions about

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them. But I want to start off

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by just addressing people who maybe

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want to be successful, but they have no

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idea in what way they would like to

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be successful. If somebody is like, I want

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to achieve a lot, I want to achieve

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more, but I have no idea what direction

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that's in, what would you tell them? Well,

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I love the question. And for

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years, the best

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in the world have helped us swallow

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this pill, which is we need to do

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more. You need to do more. And there's

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a hustle hard mentality that is

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prevalent right now, which I have a reaction to, and

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I'll tell you why. Because

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what's happening right now... is that

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the best in the world are flipping that model. And

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they're saying, no, no, no, it's not about achieving more and

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doing more, it's about being more. So

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the old model was I need to do more

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to be special in some kind of way. And

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the flip that's happening right now, I need

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to be more, be more creative, be more

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present, be more tuned, be more something in

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the present moment, basic is what it reverts

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down to. And then let the

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doing flow from that place. And when you get

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the ordering right, the entire

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experience that you have in life also

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changes. So it's not chasing

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something out there, it's being more tuned and grounded

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in here. And when that happens,

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the way that you express the things that you're

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interested in, whatever that arc of

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success might look like for the person, whether that craft

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is painting or business or

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fill in the blanks. When

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you get the being right, the doing naturally

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makes sense. What if you

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want the outside reward of success and

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you don't feel like the being is

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gonna get you there? Yeah, it's a long way

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to go through life. It's cool, you know,

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there's lots of ways to do life. That's a long

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way to do it though. When I say

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long, I'm not saying wrong, I'm saying a long

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way to go through life where you're

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chasing something that's constantly external

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and fleeting. It is

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a dangerous proposition to the

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good life. Harvard did a 80 year

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study. And that 80 year study,

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which I'm sure you're intimately familiar with, it really

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points to two things for the good life. Connections

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with other people, relationships if you will, and

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then a sense of purpose. And

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so I'm happy to deconstruct more of that, but

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they're not pointing to wealth and riches

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and attention and fame for the quote

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unquote good life. So

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the good life, the reason I'm saying long

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is because when your

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days are hard, they seem long. When

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your days are amazing, they seem like they go

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by quickly. And so if you string

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a bunch of days together that are really hard

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and difficult and long, life feels

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that way as well. The research on

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high performance, is also very clear. So

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in parallel to the study I just mentioned

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from Harvard, we used

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to think that people that were internally

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driven for intrinsic rewards were the ones

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to bet on. Like, yeah, those are

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the ones on the path of mastery.

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And those silly ones that wanted

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the external rewards and were externally

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motivated, oh, that's too

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bad. And I know it sounds like I'm maybe contradicting

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what I just said two minutes ago. But

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the new model is to

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have both intrinsic and extrinsic

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rewards equally high. It's

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okay, Dapham. But when

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they're out of balance and the

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external far outweighs the internal, it

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becomes very difficult to navigate life.

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That makes sense to me because I think about,

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I have friends who have

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wanted to write a novel for years and

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they've written so much and they've tried to

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get it published. And while it's rewarding on

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its own merit for a really long time,

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after a number of years of

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that, it's hard to be like, okay, this is so

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rewarding if nobody wants to read this, nobody wants to

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publish this. So I do think there needs to be

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both. Yeah. And if you

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love the unlocking of graph one to

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graph two or idea A to B,

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like if you love that, that

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trying to stitch it together, because writing

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is hard. It's a really difficult

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thing to do. And if you love

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the way it feels when you get the, ah,

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I know, I got it. That's it.

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That's exactly how I want it. Awesome.

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So that's the internal part. In

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our modern life, though, only living by

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the internal is very difficult because we have to pay

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bills. We have all of these other external

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requirements for living

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well. But I'm just pointing

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to the ratio of the two. Yeah. If you

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can have both, there is

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no reason why the best in the

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world ought not be compensated accordingly. Well,

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and I would argue that our society

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has tipped more towards looking for

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external validation and external rewards.

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100%. Do you have any advice for stuff we

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could do on a daily or regular basis to

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begin to write that balance? When you're not sure

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if you're okay, if you

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don't feel okay in your

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own sense of self, of course

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you would look outside to see if you're

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okay. And that's really what's happened, is

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we've lost our way to know how

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the tuning fork is meant to be, where

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you have a sense of who

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you want to be, the values you want to live

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by, and the purpose that you're driving

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toward. And when you know that clearly,

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and you become your own tuning fork, you

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don't have to look outside. So

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what happens for most of us, because that's hard work.

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I was going to say that, so it's not easy. Yeah,

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and it's hard, but

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it's simple to talk about. The practices

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are simple, but it's hard to

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be consistent with them as you keep going deeper

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within yourself. But when you have that dialed in,

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you don't have to outsource your sense of self

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or wellness to another person. And

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that's what happens for many of us, is that we look

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outside of ourselves to see if we're doing

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okay. And the easiest way to cheat

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that code is if you drive a nice car,

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if you wear a nice watch, if you've got the

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right haircut, and those are all

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fine, they're good. Those are really nice things to

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have. But when it's a primary, it becomes complicated.

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Okay, so what are the practices that can make

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us feel like okay with

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the people that we are? Well, that's,

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we could say lonely work, but it's a loan

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based work. So nobody can really do it for

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you. There are three best

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practices that would support what I'm about

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to say, mindfulness, which is

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going inside and paying attention and

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becoming more aware of how your

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thoughts, your feelings, your

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internal sensations work, being more aware of your

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external world around you as well. But so

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mindfulness is one. The second

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is conversations with people of wisdom, where

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they hold up mirrors, they ask hard questions,

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they look at you and say, is that all

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you have? You know, like conversations with system.

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And then the third is journaling.

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So those are three foundational practices.

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And to answer the question more concretely is

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you want to know what your first principles

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are in life. What

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is your guiding philosophy? What

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is the thing that helps

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be the bellwether for your thoughts, words and

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actions? And when you're very clear about your

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first principles in life, you can go to

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the most rugged,

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hostile, stress-induced, complicated

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environments in the world and

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be you because you're very clear about those

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first principles, those values. And then once you're

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clear, so once you have clarity, the

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second piece is to have the mental skills so

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that you can be about it when

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you're in a stressful environment. And

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from clarity to conviction is what I'm

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talking about. Those people, these

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are my heroes, the ones that are very

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clear about their first principles. They go into

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the den of pressure and they

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can authentically and powerfully be

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about those first principles, even when the world

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around them says, what are you doing? That's

11:04

wrong. You're completely off

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your rocker. And I've got

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a vision of what I think the world could

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look like, this compelling future, this purpose that I'm

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working toward. These are the principles that are guiding

11:15

me. And they've got the mental skills

11:17

tuned to be about it when it's hard. Those

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are the people that I go right on. Okay,

11:22

so just to ground that a little bit, I've

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heard you say that your guiding principle is to

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help the most people as possible live in the

11:28

present moment. Is that still true? There

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you go. Wow, great job, Liz. Thank you.

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Yeah, very calm. So have you

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been faced with challenges where coming back

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to that guiding principle has been helpful?

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You're talking about my

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vision of a better world is

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a place where people are flourishing. And

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so I want to contribute to that. Okay.

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So my purpose in

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alignment with that vision where people are

11:55

flourishing, my purpose is to help people

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live in the present moment more often. Okay. So,

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why is that? Living in the present moment

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is where everything amazing takes place. All the

12:05

hard things to work through, all the celebrations

12:07

and love and it's where high performance is

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expressed. That's my world. Helping people do

12:12

the thing that they want to do at the highest level

12:14

as often as they possibly can. I do

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have to help them live in the

12:18

present moment more often. But that also

12:20

will potentially move to a world where

12:22

people are flourishing. What you're asking though

12:24

is about my values, my personal philosophy.

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My personal philosophy is

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every day is an opportunity to

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create a living masterpiece. So,

12:34

that gets challenged every day for me. If

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that's the first principle in my life that

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every day is an opportunity to create a

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living masterpiece, there are

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so many things that pull me from

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living substandard to that. What's

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an example? Oh, I mean social

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media. Yeah. I am not sure

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that a living masterpiece has much to do with

12:53

the doom scrolling that I can find myself into

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on social. So, that

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would be one. Being irritated with my

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loved ones because I've got things I

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need to get done and the milk

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spills so to speak and then I'm

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quick to temper. That's not

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a living masterpiece for me. So,

13:10

right underneath that first principle, every day

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is an opportunity to create a living

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masterpiece or all the values that are

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in place for me to have a

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living masterpiece. And intolerance,

13:22

inattention to the things that don't really matter, fill

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in the blanks are not part of that. And I'm

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human too. I struggle with them too. How

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can we find our own first principle? So

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personal philosophy, here's the exercise that

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I would suggest if

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you wanted to do it. The first thing is who

13:38

are the folks that really light you up? Who

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are those people that you

13:43

say that person's special? Do you

13:45

have one in mind? The

13:47

first thing that came to mind was the

13:49

people that I get to interview on my

13:51

podcast because getting to have

13:54

these types of deep conversations with people

13:56

who are absolute masters of their field

13:59

feels just like me. like the

14:01

most magical thing in the world. Isn't the most fun

14:03

to sit with folks? This is why I love

14:06

podcasting as well. We've got the F podcasting.

14:27

Yeah, it's really good. Okay, so one

14:29

person that comes to mind, the world doesn't need to know

14:31

him or it could be to make it easy. Yeah. Have

14:33

it be somebody maybe that people do recognize you could go

14:35

either way. Dr. Robert Waldinger, who

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is the author of the

14:40

Harvard study. Yeah, he's amazing. He has

14:42

the most wonderful vibe

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of any person I've ever spoken

14:47

to in my life. Yeah, so

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clear. He's so clear. He's so

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content. I was like, I

14:54

want to turn you into my uncle. I don't think that's possible, but

14:56

I would like to do that. He's so generative.

14:58

Yeah. Okay. So let's say

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Dr. Waldinger, if

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we've got that as an emblem, then

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this is the exercise that we're getting to. And I

15:07

would want you to list like six, seven, eight, if

15:09

you could. Right next

15:11

to their names, just like what we did, you

15:13

write the virtues or the values of the qualities

15:15

that really make them special. And

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if you had Michelle Obama there, you would say

15:19

fill in the blank or whomever it might be.

15:21

Right? Okay. So now you've got

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a whole set of values from the

15:26

people that have animated those. That's

15:28

really important. Then I would say the next

15:30

thing to do is think about the poems,

15:33

think about the lyrics of songs, think about

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the little pithy

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aphorisms that you say to yourself over

15:39

and over again that are

15:41

interesting to you. And then write some of those down

15:43

and you might need to go back to some of

15:45

your favorite albums. Just get some lines down that

15:48

are really cool and inspiring too. And

15:51

then from that, you've got people, you've

15:53

got values that are expressed by them.

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And then you've got these philosophical gems

15:57

that have been important to you. Then

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I say, go find five words

16:02

that really stand out amongst them.

16:04

And maybe it's the words that are repeated the

16:07

most. Maybe it's love or kindness or excellence or

16:09

whatever it might be. Circle those

16:11

words and now you're starting to distill it down. And

16:14

then from those five words and everything

16:16

else that we just described, see if

16:18

you can get something into a paragraph.

16:21

And so what we're doing is creating a personal

16:23

philosophy. And then from that paragraph,

16:25

see if you can get it to 25 words. It's

16:27

like two sentences. And then from that,

16:30

could you get it down to just a handful of

16:32

words that really capture the

16:34

essence of what it is that matters

16:36

to? And then if

16:38

it was just two words or one word, you

16:40

would have all this body of work underneath

16:43

of it that if someone says, wait, your

16:45

philosophy is create a living

16:47

masterpiece. What do you mean? And you go,

16:49

oh, well, let me tell you. And then

16:51

it's underneath there. That took me two

16:54

years to get to my philosophy. You

16:57

could do it in two months. You could do it in two days if

16:59

you were really on it. It just took me

17:01

two years, probably too long to do it. Okay,

17:04

this is maybe not a

17:07

problem other people might have. But

17:10

I would wonder if I sat down, if some of

17:12

the people on my list would be people

17:14

who are getting external rewards, who are

17:17

getting lauded by society at

17:19

this moment, who were rich

17:21

or successful or lived in a really nice house,

17:23

et cetera, et cetera. Are we just

17:25

supposed to remove those people from our

17:27

list? Are there things we can learn about our

17:29

values from external rewards? Yeah, no, I think it's

17:32

cool. Let's make it

17:34

concrete. Okay, let's say Beyonce. Okay, so

17:36

all of the wealth and fame

17:38

that you would imagine. And

17:41

then no problems. That's great. If somebody

17:43

has been recognized by the world

17:46

for their talent, I think

17:48

it's awesome. We don't celebrate, I

17:50

think, what are some of the true geniuses and

17:52

the most creative people and the grittiest stuff of

17:54

them all, single parents.

17:57

They are some of the most creative people on the planet. But

18:00

we don't celebrate them. So the ones that have

18:02

been celebrated, it is not that they're off the

18:04

list, it's just a double click underneath of it

18:07

and say what are the values that they stand

18:09

for. The most dangerous people

18:11

are the ones that present one way and

18:14

then when the earth shakes underneath of them,

18:16

they reveal who they actually are and

18:19

it's totally different. That's not cool. So

18:22

do the honest work up front. This is what

18:24

I'm about. These are the

18:26

people that are incredibly

18:28

inspiring for me because they've stood for it.

18:31

And whether they're recognized or not is not material. Whether

18:34

they're rich or not does not matter. This is what

18:36

they stand for. Those are the

18:38

virtues and values that I want to be able to help

18:41

guide my thoughts, words, and actions. Whether it's

18:43

a nice sunny day or it's a cold

18:45

windy day, I'm going to be about those

18:48

values. Can wealth and

18:50

status ever be values or are those always

18:52

subsets of values? Yeah, those are

18:55

results. You could value money but

18:57

what happens, there's something underneath of

18:59

it that's going to create that

19:02

wealth. And so I would go

19:04

right underneath of it as opposed to that being

19:06

the thing. Okay, I understand. Let's

19:09

talk about goal setting for a second. Do

19:11

you have any advice for goal setting in a way that

19:13

is inspirational but not

19:16

so far off in the future that we're never

19:18

going to achieve it and we're setting ourselves up

19:20

for disappointment? Yeah, I actually don't set

19:22

goals. Yeah, I don't

19:24

use goals. And maybe

19:29

more precise. Two

19:31

things. The science of goal setting

19:33

is actually pretty clear. And I've

19:35

always found it to be a bit taxing for

19:37

me. And so I don't love

19:39

it. I do

19:41

though have clarity about the goals

19:44

that are 100% under my control,

19:46

let's say for this conversation. So

19:49

prior to me doing anything, I do

19:51

snap to a goal that is under

19:53

my control. It's more

19:55

connected to who I want to be

19:57

rather than the external outcome of something.

20:00

So let's be very clear, there's process

20:02

goals, there's performance goals,

20:05

and then there's outcome goals. Then

20:07

you take those three types of goals and

20:09

you can put duration on it. You can

20:11

put immediate, short term, long term.

20:13

And that long term could be horizon

20:15

three type goals, which is like 10

20:18

years. It could be horizon two, which

20:20

is like three to five, or horizon

20:22

one, one year. And you

20:24

can come even further back to the immediacy

20:26

of a goal for today for you. So

20:29

that's kind of the science of goals. And there's an art to

20:32

it as well. You want your goals to be inspirational,

20:34

aspirational, stretchy just enough.

20:37

Only you really know what those

20:40

goals are unless you've got an expert

20:42

coach that really knows you at

20:44

a deep level to know what is challenging and what's not.

20:46

And that's cool to do. And when I

20:48

say coach, I'm talking about sport coaches. In my mind, I was.

20:51

All right. I don't use

20:54

them because they feel mechanical. And

20:56

I feel like I get a little boxed in. The

20:58

science is that it becomes a bit of a

21:01

North Star. It can help support motivation and direction.

21:03

That's what the science would suggest. This

21:06

was six years ago. It was

21:08

the first three years into the podcast, the Finding

21:10

Mastery podcast. I took all the interviews and

21:13

did a factor analysis to understand what were

21:15

the main themes that these best in

21:17

the world talked about. Oh my God, that's so interesting. One

21:21

of the findings was they don't set goals. Super

21:24

interesting. So I always felt weird that

21:27

I'm the one that's not doing what

21:29

I'm supposed to do to be successful according to

21:31

research. What do they do instead? They're

21:34

open. They have an image

21:37

of a better future of something that

21:39

they're working towards. So they've got this

21:41

imagery that they're working from. And

21:43

then they're just committed to that. And it's

21:45

not that they don't value goals, but they

21:48

themselves are not setting and checking goals. That's

21:51

so interesting. It validated me,

21:53

but also

21:55

I want to point to me meaning my

21:58

approach, but I also don't want to... abandoned

22:00

the science here. The science is quite clear. There's

22:03

a rich value in goals. And

22:05

let me not confuse this, but add one more dimension to

22:07

it. Just about if

22:09

there's an athlete listening right now, they'd say,

22:11

what? Before every practice,

22:14

before every game, you hold up three fingers, Mike,

22:16

and I know exactly what I'm supposed to do.

22:18

I'm supposed to say out loud or remind myself

22:20

of the three goals that I've set for myself

22:23

for that practice. I say, yeah. Because

22:26

that's a way to hone in

22:28

on the immediacy of goals that you

22:31

can control right now. So

22:33

those goals are process-based that

22:35

are 100% under your control. And it's only

22:38

up to you whether you're successful or not. And

22:40

they're very immediate. Can you give

22:43

an example of what an outcome-based goal would

22:45

look like? And then what the process-based equivalent

22:47

goal would be? Let's do it in sport

22:49

because it's so concrete. An outcome-based goal is the

22:51

score touchdown. A

22:53

performance-based goal is to aggressively

22:55

run my route. A

22:58

performance-based goal is 12 touches to

23:01

be able to catch 12 footballs if I'm

23:03

a receiver. And a process-based goal

23:06

would be to get in and out of

23:08

my brakes aggressively, to follow the ball all

23:11

the way into my nose, to tuck it

23:13

into my rib cage and run hard. Those

23:15

would be more process-based goals. Performance-based

23:18

goals you can measure, you can

23:20

see, but they're not always in

23:22

your control. You might not get targeted 12 times. You

23:25

might only get targeted 4. So that's why

23:27

that doesn't hold power for me. And whether

23:30

you score or not, there are legitimately

23:32

highly skilled people that are trying to stop

23:34

you from doing that. So

23:36

I personally want, and the people I

23:38

spend time with, I want them to

23:40

be in the most powerful state they

23:42

can be in. And when

23:44

I'm trying to do something that

23:46

is out of my control, I've

23:48

de-leveraged myself. So if

23:51

you're clear in your mindset, if you're clear

23:53

on how you're going to go about your

23:55

performance and it's completely controllable, you've

23:58

just put yourself in a very powerful situation.

24:00

situation or powerful position. Did

24:02

anything else come up in your audit? That

24:05

was the big takeaway. That was the one

24:07

I presented at a conference was that contrary

24:09

to what we would suggest

24:11

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24:13

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24:15

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29:00

let's get into my numbers. Number

29:03

one, I have overcoming fear. Do

29:06

we agree or not agree? What does that mean to you?

29:09

So to me, you work with

29:11

people who do these things

29:13

that feel outside the bounds of

29:16

what my capacity for

29:18

performance is, things that I would self

29:20

limit myself not

29:23

to do. I would say that's too scary. I

29:25

don't want to do that. You seem to work

29:27

with people who are pushing past the bounds of

29:29

what many of the rest of us would hold

29:31

ourselves back from. I like that definition. That's

29:33

not how I would think about the definition

29:36

of overcoming fear. I'm fortunate

29:38

to work with some of the most extraordinary performers

29:41

and doers on the planet. They

29:44

operate with fear. They're scared

29:46

too. Felix Baumgartner jumped from 120,000

29:48

feet, where

29:51

the brightest minds in aerospace said, yeah, we're not

29:53

sure if your arms and legs are going to

29:55

rip off when you pass through a sonic experience.

29:58

Every time I hear you talk about this, so I'm going to do it. I

30:00

have a visceral reaction no matter what you're

30:02

like it makes me want to die hearing

30:04

that somebody did this I think about that

30:06

first of all It's a five and a half hour ascent

30:09

in a balloon that you and your teammates

30:11

built that no one's really built before This

30:13

capsule and balloon and then

30:16

when you pull yourself out

30:18

to the edge where you're

30:21

in an inflated NASA based space

30:24

suit and your feet are hanging

30:26

over the ledge as you're Just

30:29

on the edges of the atmosphere Not

30:33

knowing the brightest minds in the world

30:35

are saying we don't know if you're

30:37

gonna land because gravity is gonna pull you down

30:39

We don't know one if you go into a

30:41

flat spin you would land all

30:43

the blood would run to your head and your feet And

30:46

we don't know if your brain would survive that To

30:49

if you pass through a sonic experience your

30:52

head and torso might be doing the speed of sound

30:54

But the drag on your arms and legs Could

30:57

be transonic and we don't know if you would

30:59

stay intact. Those are just two of the five

31:01

dangerous experiences He

31:04

had fear They're

31:06

not insane But because

31:08

they've trained their mind to be

31:11

critical to be clear And

31:13

I don't mean critical of self meaning to think critically

31:15

to be clear and creative When

31:18

there's all of that pressure in the environment,

31:21

so they have fear They

31:23

understand that if they live inside of

31:25

the boundaries the safe boundaries of fear

31:27

They'll never know if they

31:30

could live the good life according to what

31:32

their imagination holds So

31:34

they push up against their fears And

31:36

this is true for all of us is that

31:38

when we move up against the fear It

31:41

it challenges us to say do you

31:43

have the mental skills to operate in

31:45

this scary environment? And

31:47

if you don't have the mental skills the fear will

31:49

win because the brain is designed to say hey listen

31:51

We need to survive Stay

31:54

away. I want to talk about

31:56

what those mental skills are specifically, but first I

31:58

want to talk about how do we know if

32:00

we should even be trying to overcome a fear? How

32:02

do we know when our fear is genuinely trying to protect

32:04

us versus when it's something we should push

32:06

up against to live the life we want?

32:10

That's a really good question. I don't know if

32:12

anyone has ever asked it that clearly. How

32:15

do we know? I think it's a

32:17

tension between when

32:20

you use your imagination to

32:22

think about how

32:24

you want to live and the life

32:26

that you would want to co-create. The

32:29

goals maybe to go back to

32:31

that earlier idea, like when you

32:33

use your imagination about what you

32:36

really, really, really, really are working

32:38

toward. If they're wildly ambitious, awesome.

32:42

If you can see a pathway

32:44

through it, great. There's going to

32:46

be incredible challenges toward that because

32:48

it's probably hard. It's

32:51

probably pretty difficult if it's stimulating to

32:53

you. We

32:56

do need to understand that our brain is

32:58

trying to keep us alive and threading through

33:00

challenging environments, the brain says, just leave. I

33:03

think you could find another way. Turn them back around.

33:05

This is not worth it. That's what our brain is

33:07

designed to do. If we don't

33:09

train our minds, our brain will win. The

33:13

more familiar you become on pushing up

33:15

against the edge, you become more

33:17

clear about, wait, this is just my brain's response,

33:20

as opposed to, is this

33:22

something I shouldn't be following? The

33:25

more you push up against it, the

33:27

more intimate you know the answer to

33:29

your question that you just asked. We

33:31

can make it even more concrete.

33:34

Sometimes we've got these maladaptive

33:36

fears like ... I have a fear of

33:38

fine. Oh, you do? Yeah. Yeah,

33:40

maladaptive in some respects, right? If you

33:42

want to ... Get anywhere. Or

33:44

do anything that you want to do. Yeah. Yeah.

33:46

So that would be, rationally, you know that most

33:48

people don't die when they get on a plane.

33:51

Yes. Okay. And there's 44,000 flights a day. Oh,

33:54

so you've done them. Interesting enough. Knowledge

33:56

alone does not solve this fear. Yeah.

34:00

all of the other coping skills and mental

34:02

skills training that would allow you to struggle

34:05

through at one level or

34:08

potentially at another level, dissolve all of the

34:10

stressors that you feel from it and be

34:12

completely content and happy. That is possible. So

34:15

in the briefest way,

34:18

if I wanted to be completely content

34:20

and happy with that maladaptive fear, what

34:23

should I do? You gotta do some work now. This

34:25

is actually the same exact work that Felix and I

34:27

did for the Red Bull Stratus program. Because

34:29

he was afraid of the suit, right? That's right.

34:31

And that was a maladaptive fear. He felt

34:33

claustrophobic in the suit he had to wear.

34:36

That's exactly right. Yeah. I don't

34:38

want to say afraid of the suit because it's like he's jumping out of it. Like he's

34:40

clearly a very strong guy. He

34:42

was afraid of the suit. Seems like it's diminutive for

34:44

what he was doing. That's a good word.

34:46

That was the big thing is that he's

34:48

like, look, I'm the strongest, the best at

34:50

what I do, facing fears and

34:53

I'm embarrassed to, he

34:55

was sitting in the airport, this is all public, so I'm not saying anything

34:57

I should say out of code. They

35:00

called the team and said, I'm embarrassed. I'm

35:02

crying like I'm

35:04

surprised that I am and I can't do it, I'm afraid.

35:07

That type of courage though, is what allowed the

35:09

break from to happen. So you say,

35:11

how do I do it? One, saying it out loud,

35:13

like I'm afraid for this. Okay,

35:15

great. Do you want to travel on airplanes?

35:18

And you say, yeah, I do. Okay, great. So now

35:20

we got some tension, all right? Good

35:23

science would suggest, and you've probably heard this, systematic

35:25

desensitization. Have you heard that methodology?

35:28

Go do that work, it will

35:30

change your life. Sit

35:32

with somebody, go through a systematic desensitization to

35:34

the fear response that you have. You

35:37

just might extinguish the fear that you have.

35:39

It would take you about two

35:41

days of deep work. But I fly

35:43

all the time and I'm often

35:45

scared. So aren't

35:47

I systematic desensitizing myself

35:50

by flying all the time? No, that's a good question.

35:52

No would be a good example. Let's do a mouse

35:54

in the kitchen. That idea that

35:57

you see a mouse and all of a sudden you jump on

35:59

a stool. and you got that tension. And

36:02

then the next time you see a mouse, what do you do?

36:04

Jump on a stool and feel that tension. Third

36:06

time you see a mouse, maybe you don't jump on a stool,

36:08

but you just have all that tension. So

36:11

now you see something kind of like a mouse and

36:13

you feel tense. So each

36:16

time that you have a tense response to

36:18

either the thing that's actually there or something

36:20

that looks like the thing that was once

36:22

there, that tense response is training. So

36:25

you're training the stimulus, the

36:27

mouse with tension. So

36:29

each time you fly and it's hard,

36:31

you're actually strengthening the thing that you

36:34

don't want. You're getting better at flying

36:36

with tension. You're getting better at

36:38

flying with fear. You're getting

36:41

better at flying with like ripping your nails

36:43

into the seat. So

36:45

we have to decouple that and get better

36:47

at flying with freedom

36:49

and happiness and whatever, whatever,

36:51

whatever. The intervention there is

36:53

what's called the systematic desensitization. Any good

36:55

psychologist can walk you through it and

36:58

in a couple hours to a couple days, you

37:01

could have the freedom that you want. Okay. I mean, I will

37:03

say the thing that's been most helpful in my fear of

37:05

flying is I haven't framed it

37:07

as my value sentence. I haven't framed as

37:09

my first principles, but it is something like

37:12

I want to live a big, rich, satisfying

37:14

life. There you go. And that's been the

37:16

thing that's gotten me on plane so far.

37:19

Okay. So it's cognitive for you

37:21

that you've got two competing ideas and you

37:23

muster all the strength to say that one's more

37:25

important than my fear response. Awesome. I mean, that's

37:27

probably what makes you great is that you can

37:30

grind it out. That's how I face most of

37:32

my fears. I would say. That's awesome. That's not

37:34

the fullness of it though. Because we are, that's

37:37

like from, if you think about cognitive

37:40

and emotion and that whole

37:42

loop has physiology and physical

37:45

and thinking. Okay. So there's the

37:47

physical response, the physiology response, there's the emotional

37:50

piece and there's the thinking piece. You're

37:52

investing in a strong mind, the thinking piece, and

37:54

then we want to wrap around the other two.

37:57

And then that would be a more complete

37:59

approach. Yes. And I also want

38:01

to leave plenty of

38:03

room open for systematic desensitization.

38:07

Maybe it doesn't work, but there's other good science

38:09

as well. This one holds up really

38:11

well for most people. But each one

38:14

of us are – you

38:16

and I are neither subjects in those

38:18

researchers that found the findings and

38:20

we are not, quote unquote, the average

38:22

person, meaning that I'm not even sure what

38:24

an average person is. We're all unique. We

38:26

need these snowflakes that kind of travel

38:29

around the world in these bodies. I don't

38:31

know how you got your body and how I got my

38:33

body and we're using this made-up language right now. It's

38:36

quite remarkable, this experience of life.

38:39

But there is – the science would suggest that that's a

38:41

good one and there's a handful of other approaches that could

38:43

be good as well. You mentioned developing

38:45

skills for pushing up against

38:47

fear. Are there other skills

38:49

for doing that or is

38:52

that systematic desensitization largely? That's an

38:54

important one. Now,

38:56

let's take what you're doing is that you

38:58

say, I've got this bold future that I'm

39:00

working towards and this ambitious purpose that I've

39:02

got in my life and then you're

39:05

using your mental horsepower to get you

39:07

closer. Awesome. Another way to

39:09

help you is to have teammates, is

39:12

to have your environment and your community

39:14

to see you, to challenge you, to

39:16

support you and to be part of

39:18

it with you. Nobody does it alone.

39:21

Whatever the extraordinary thing is,

39:23

it's too multi-factor, multi-dimensional, too

39:25

complicated by definition like

39:28

we need each other. Who are

39:30

your teammates? Make sure that they

39:32

really understand your

39:35

traumas, micro and massive

39:37

traumas, all of your hurt

39:39

and your dreams and your hopes and your

39:41

ambitions so that when they're part

39:43

of the process with you, they understand you completely.

39:46

I love that. You also talk about the

39:48

difference between having consequential

39:50

and non-consequential environments. So essentially

39:53

environments wherein if we make

39:55

mistakes, they have real consequences

39:57

and then environments where If

40:00

we make mistakes, they're maybe not as big of a deal. And

40:03

I think one of the things that causes

40:05

a lot of fear in people is not

40:07

being able to differentiate between those two things.

40:10

Great insight. Yeah. We

40:13

think that non-consequential environments are consequential

40:15

environments. Great insight. Yeah, very

40:17

cool. Can you speak to the difference between those two

40:19

things and maybe how we can begin to see non-consequential

40:23

environments as non-consequential environments?

40:25

Yeah. It creates such a

40:27

bigger playing field when you're clear about

40:30

the things that are consequential versus

40:32

non-consequential. So let's

40:36

talk about what we're actually working up against. Most

40:38

people can figure this out exactly what we're talking

40:40

about. Like, wait, me going

40:42

on, let's say a podcast, your podcast,

40:44

is it consequential? Well, if my sense

40:47

of identity is co-mingled

40:50

or mired with or

40:53

collapsed on my image,

40:55

if my identity is collapsed on the thing that I do,

40:57

this has great consequence because

40:59

your community is strong and they're listening

41:01

and they're paying attention and it's large.

41:05

So this could be very dangerous for

41:07

me. But if

41:09

my identity and my sense of self

41:12

is not collapsed on how well I articulate

41:14

my thoughts, then

41:17

there's incredible freedom to play,

41:19

to explore. So it's

41:22

decoupling who you are from what you

41:24

do might be one of the greatest

41:26

things that you can do to understand

41:28

the difference between consequence and non-consequence.

41:31

Intellectually you and I know that if I make a mistake, there's

41:34

not a hand grenade under the

41:36

– Oh, there is. I

41:38

just didn't tell you. Yeah, there's not a sniper in the corner. There's

41:41

no physical consequence. We

41:44

could maybe manufacture a scenario

41:46

where if I

41:48

say something that's really offensive to your

41:50

environment or to your community that there's

41:53

some sort of boycott or cancel. I think that's

41:55

always a real threat. But

41:58

it's not something that – is going to serve me

42:00

well to try to manage that. And

42:03

we could also create a scenario that if

42:05

I'm offensive in any ways that people have,

42:08

your community would strike against my

42:10

earning power in the future. Okay, so

42:14

we have to extrapolate just a little bit too far

42:16

for that to materially

42:18

show up in this moment for me. So

42:20

what's consequential is only limited by

42:23

my sense of self. And

42:25

if I can find freedom in me

42:27

being me, then this is not a

42:29

consequence, it's an opportunity. And so

42:32

going from, it's seeing

42:35

something, so every micro moment we

42:37

have, there's

42:39

a filter that is your belief system, let's

42:41

call it a filter. And it influences whether

42:43

you see this moment as an opportunity or

42:45

a threat. And that's kind of

42:47

what we're talking about. So if you

42:50

build up a healthy filter, and

42:52

you can see more moments as an opportunity versus

42:54

a threat, you're gonna be on the winning side

42:56

of this equation. And how

42:58

do you do that is decouple who you are from

43:00

what you do. Because the most

43:03

threatenings are not physical for most of

43:05

us, it is risk to

43:07

identity. And that's where the

43:09

concept of fear of people's opinions, just for

43:11

fun, we called it FOPO, is

43:14

the greatest constrictor of one's

43:16

potential is this chronic management, am

43:19

I okay in the eyes of

43:21

you and others? And when

43:23

I'm managing that, I'm not tuning to

43:25

the actual task at hand. And

43:28

so in sport, as another easy

43:30

analogy, is that it's really hard to

43:32

hit a baseball, let alone if I'm

43:34

thinking about the last ball and trying to focus

43:36

on the current ball, it's not that different than

43:38

the pitcher throwing two balls at the same time

43:40

and me trying to figure out which one to

43:42

focus on to hit. It's very hard to do.

43:46

So our mind can only focus on one thing at a time.

43:49

And if you can decouple the

43:51

management of your self identity from

43:54

the task at hand, it is so much

43:56

easier to live freely. And most

43:58

of us, the writer passage. to be

44:00

an adult in modern times is not clear, but

44:02

I think this is one of them. Okay,

44:05

well I have to ask, how do we do that? One

44:08

just become aware that the first

44:10

is the awareness bit, is that your

44:12

brain, let's go back to another kind of first principle

44:14

we talked about, your brain is designed to survive. The

44:17

greatest threat in modern times is not the

44:19

physical piece, it's the inclusion piece. This is

44:22

not being kicked out of the tribe, essentially. You've

44:24

totally nailed it. And most people understand it.

44:27

That was important 250,000 years ago. For

44:29

literally survival. I think that's something that we

44:31

kind of gloss over sometimes, like you would die

44:34

if you were kicked out of the tribe. That's right. If

44:36

you and I screw up in some kind of way,

44:39

maybe two, three times we screw up. We were responsible

44:41

for something for the tribe's security or health. And

44:43

we screw up with too many times, the elders are like,

44:46

hey, listen, Liz, Mike, you got to go. You're

44:49

out. Now we had to try to fend

44:51

and forge and protect and hunt and gather,

44:53

maybe a couple cousins say, no, you can't,

44:55

we're coming with you. So now we got

44:57

five. It's still too much.

44:59

The wild and the tribes, it's too much.

45:02

So being kicked out, being criticized was

45:04

a near death sentence. Our

45:07

brain hasn't changed that much. And

45:10

modern times have changed a

45:12

lot since 200,000 years ago.

45:15

Like we're barely dealing with fire. Now we've got

45:17

white lights everywhere. So like it's changed a lot.

45:20

But our brain hasn't changed much. So we've got

45:22

this old operating system trying to manage modern times.

45:25

And that old operating system, our brain

45:27

is constantly checking, am I okay? Am

45:29

I okay? Am I okay? In the

45:31

eyes of others. And

45:34

when we're doing that, it's not only exhausting

45:36

from an energy and fuel standpoint, it

45:38

pulls us away from the good life

45:41

because we're just trying to fit in as

45:44

opposed to express artistically something,

45:47

whatever that thing is. So

45:49

how in the moment, in a

45:51

day, in a week, can we

45:53

begin to rewrite that neurological wiring?

45:55

I love it. Okay, so I didn't answer the

45:57

question. So want awareness. Be aware that that's happening. In

46:00

his go from a performance space identity

46:02

which we hints at on ten minutes

46:04

ago to a purpose best I them

46:07

So a performance based identity is I

46:09

am what I do relative to other

46:11

people. So.

46:13

I'm okay as long as I'm better than you. I'm.

46:16

Okay, as long as I'm. As good

46:18

as you. But. As soon as I

46:20

start sliding a little bit, I'm not okay.

46:22

And I mean I meaning my entire Denny's

46:24

Okay. That's. Why?

46:27

The number one fear for

46:29

humans is walking up for

46:31

steps? It's the number

46:33

one. Fear. Because. Those four

46:35

steps lead to the presentation

46:37

platform. Public. Speaking. Yeah,

46:39

it's more than death in which is why, and

46:42

to me, isn't it? It's so crazy to me

46:44

that public speaking it's scary to people than death

46:46

because I'm self. I did that. That's my number

46:48

one other. Sparks things. Affect

46:51

my son who's living the life that.

46:53

Know Yeah, that's Chef. Yeah, you. Don't really

46:56

know what you're capable than that.

46:58

You are loveless because your fears

47:00

taken over. By the way, I

47:02

like I'm like that's my number one fan like I got other

47:04

faced. By a less and less than

47:06

per se you a the is a

47:08

to success and A but imagine your

47:10

fears so strong you as but like

47:13

imagine one person sphere so strong that

47:15

never feel scene because they spend so

47:17

little time being vulnerable with other people.

47:19

So they go through life disconnected, numb.

47:22

Isolated. This is where

47:25

depression and anxiety and and

47:27

suicidality and drug use. The

47:29

severe garden variety. Maladaptive.

47:32

Real experiences that over thirty six

47:34

percent of us are struggling with.

47:36

Ominous. It's more like fifty percent

47:38

of us. Are really struggling.

47:41

And so. In.

47:43

High school. In grade school and

47:46

college I was never given the

47:48

basic psychological tools. Time for good

47:50

life. I was taught how to

47:52

think. I was homeless,

47:54

how to execute pressure packed tests

47:56

as told how to sit down

47:58

and listen to. right? Pretty.

48:01

Well but I was not told how

48:03

to use my mind other than to

48:05

think. But. There's a whole

48:07

bunch of other things like confidence is a

48:09

trainable skill, To say how

48:11

do we do it first has go from

48:13

performance based identity to purpose based. So purpose.

48:17

And I'm gonna go to the mental bit and

48:19

minute purposes like be part of something bigger than

48:22

you. So. When you go on

48:24

stage, you're like most. Look Thank.

48:26

You for being here. I'm

48:28

going to start by sharing something. It's really important to

48:30

me and I hope you can see yourself into cause

48:32

I need help. And. That thing

48:34

is for on the white. Whatever. That

48:36

thing is. And so when your

48:39

purpose based you're a contributor, you need the

48:41

connection with other people's Maybe you can see

48:43

yourself in this and I hope you do.

48:46

And I got a place where

48:48

you're in some kind of way

48:50

so that purpose based diminishes this

48:52

protection of self and amplifies something

48:54

that's far bigger than you. So

48:57

the greats they are: Purpose

48:59

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49:01

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49:03

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54:09

Hmm that's so interesting. Okay. Well FOPO

54:11

is going to be my next one. But for fear,

54:13

can we call it? Operate

54:15

with fear. Can we say that's the

54:17

secret? That's the habit. It's not overcome

54:19

fear but learn to operate with fear

54:21

I'm completely down with that. Okay, we're into that

54:24

one more layer to this is that because I

54:26

kind of intimated I want to get to the

54:28

clarity is that Isaac

54:30

confidence is a trainable skill. So

54:33

you said how do we deal with FOPO fear

54:35

people's opinions? decoupling

54:38

and going from performance based

54:40

or purpose-based But also when you train

54:42

your mind when you know how to

54:44

be confident in any

54:46

environment There's incredible

54:48

freedom. You are no longer Putting

54:51

yourself in a vulnerable position to have other

54:53

people the external world around you be just

54:55

right so that you can be confident And

54:57

that's how most people Go

55:01

through life is that well, I'm

55:03

confident because this environment is

55:05

helping me be confident I'm confident

55:07

when a couple things go my way So

55:10

imagine a basketball player that says I feel

55:13

good after a couple shots going What

55:15

if they never go in? Now

55:18

you're not confident if you're not confident How are they ever going

55:20

to go in and the ordering is wrong?

55:22

The ordering needs to come from yourself first. So

55:25

confidence comes from what you say to yourself period

55:28

That's completely in your control and I can

55:30

go down the list being calm is a

55:32

trainable skill I go down the list of

55:34

other trainable skills that would help you be

55:37

more powerful within your own self

55:39

So you're not abdicating to the

55:42

environment or other people. Am I? Okay, that's the

55:44

work Sneak

55:46

preview confidence is number four. Oh it is

55:50

But can you give us one tip to be calm because

55:52

you said that's a trainable skill so before we leave that

55:54

I want a tip for there, so

55:56

Anything that we can train we can

55:58

get better at that's for first introduce a model

56:01

and then I'll show you how to apply that

56:03

model. So think about a scale from one to

56:06

ten. Ten is the

56:08

most activated you could imagine. A

56:10

nine is like, I think I just threw up

56:12

in my mouth. Like I'm way too nervous for

56:14

this. Okay. A five would be optimal.

56:18

So four, five and six are pretty good, right?

56:20

But a five is the sweet spot, let's say.

56:22

So what's one? Like I'm yawning.

56:24

I'm so bored. Yeah. So

56:26

there's not enough internal activation for

56:29

me to be challenged in

56:31

the right way. But a five is like, I love

56:33

it. Like I've got the right vibe for

56:36

this moment. Okay. So a technical term is

56:38

called activation. And again, a nine

56:40

and a ten is like way too switched on.

56:42

My hands are shaking, my breathing's, whatever,

56:45

all of that's happening and I feel out

56:47

of control on that model. It's called the

56:49

yerksi Dodson model. People want to be nerds

56:51

and look it up. So the

56:53

first order of business is to recognize where you are on

56:55

that scale. And then from that scale, let's

56:57

say you're like, this is a nine. Your

57:00

job is to get to an eight. And then once you're

57:02

at an eight, work to get it to a seven and

57:04

then to get to a six. And now you're in that pocket. It's

57:07

kind of like the porridge is too hot, just right and

57:09

too cold. So four, five and six, the porridge is just

57:11

right. So how do you go? You're going to

57:13

know the answer. How do you go from a nine to an eight?

57:16

I'm going to say breath work. That's it. Yeah.

57:19

Breathing. It's the greatest tool that we

57:21

have to down regulate our

57:23

intensity. If you don't practice

57:25

breathing and you're walking up

57:28

those five, four steps to the

57:30

public speaking stage and then

57:32

you're not practicing breathing, that

57:34

breath is not going to work for you right there because

57:36

you're not skilled at it. So it might

57:39

give you a little bit of a downregulation, but

57:42

it's not going to be the potency that you

57:44

want. So if

57:46

somebody were to train for years on

57:49

breathing and they're at the bottom of

57:51

those stairs and they go, wow, I'm like in an eight

57:53

or nine. I need some breathing. That breathing

57:55

is going to show up in a pretty cool way for them.

57:57

Do you have a favorite breath work practice? Three,

58:00

and I'll use principles first than and

58:02

and then the tactics would be something

58:04

that. He. Would fall on

58:07

and in specific techniques what went

58:09

down stream but note three principles

58:11

would be a breathing practice. The

58:14

down regulate a breathing practice to

58:16

build capacity. And. A breeding

58:18

practice to help focus. So

58:20

box breeding. To. Spare

58:23

parts to every breath. And so he

58:25

did. Four seconds in Hell for seconds,

58:27

Pause for second. Xl for second. pause.

58:30

That helps mostly without us. Down

58:32

Regulation is let's use Up Kittens the

58:35

four seconds and slight pause at the

58:37

top and an eight seconds out. So

58:39

when you're Xl, double your in hell.

58:42

That helps to down regulate. And.

58:44

Somewhere around Twelve Brass for people we

58:46

start to trigger the rest and digest

58:49

system in our body. that he drew

58:51

case Shudder down is no, will there

58:53

be chasing you It's okay. Somewhere around

58:55

Twelve Brass with that type of kids

58:58

and the cadence again it could be

59:00

five seconds and depending on your long

59:02

and rib cage capacity in ten seconds

59:05

out. Or six seconds in

59:07

and twelve. Okay and then towing

59:09

capacity as a different kids. And

59:12

it would be let's go five

59:14

seconds in the she say five second

59:16

pause or hold at the top and

59:19

then ten seconds out. Five

59:21

Second hold. So five,

59:23

five ten five would be that

59:25

type of breathing. And doing that.

59:27

Say ten of those in a

59:29

row. You start to build some

59:31

capacity because you meet yourself. When.

59:34

You feel like you're running out of oxygen. Enough

59:37

for that Breeding will do not only

59:39

you building the capacity between the oxygen

59:41

and carbon dioxide exchange which is really

59:43

going for efficiency. But.

59:46

At that point the seats for breath in.

59:48

You. Like. To bring

59:50

out of breath and this you meet.

59:53

Yourself. are you trying to

59:55

escape are you relaxing and settling

59:57

in are you gripping and fighting

1:00:00

You meet yourself and i meet myself at

1:00:02

the edge of capacity. And

1:00:04

so we want to design our life

1:00:07

everyday just like elite athletes do physically

1:00:09

is we design ourselves to go right up to

1:00:11

our edges. And you and i can

1:00:13

do that we don't have to do it physically you do it emotionally.

1:00:16

Every day and if you don't

1:00:19

do it you're training or getting

1:00:21

or decompensating and so if you're

1:00:23

not training you're getting a little bit worse. I'm

1:00:25

not pointing to a hustle hard i'm pointing

1:00:27

to being very intentional about the things that

1:00:29

you want to get better at i think

1:00:32

most of us could get better emotions. I

1:00:34

think most of us could get better at speaking

1:00:36

to ourselves and backing ourselves our self talk most

1:00:38

of us can use a little breathing training more

1:00:41

calm later i love that

1:00:43

okay so we're gonna say number

1:00:45

one is operating with fear. We've

1:00:48

talked about number two which was overcoming pho

1:00:51

po fear of other people's opinions do

1:00:53

you have anything else that you want to touch on

1:00:55

with overcoming pho po i know you wrote literally an

1:00:57

entire book about it i did it's really fun

1:00:59

to write that it was hard it's a great

1:01:01

but thank you yeah yeah the way that happens

1:01:03

i'm twenty five years in my career and i

1:01:06

never wrote a book really. And

1:01:08

i wrote an article three page article for

1:01:11

harvard business review and they came

1:01:13

back twelve months later and they said. Okay

1:01:16

you touch the nerve you are the

1:01:18

most downloaded article for the last

1:01:21

twelve months let's write a book i was like really

1:01:23

i thought i was alone in this i really thought.

1:01:26

I was the weird one that had this as

1:01:28

a early young person this. Reflexive

1:01:31

need to want to fit in and i was

1:01:34

conforming and contorting in weird ways to

1:01:36

just fit in and like no apparently

1:01:38

our whole community said me too and

1:01:41

so i was called i loved writing it there's

1:01:43

a bit of research in there around what's called

1:01:45

the spotlight effect which i think is really cool

1:01:47

to just understand that that experiment which is

1:01:49

essentially that we think people are

1:01:52

noticing us far more than they're

1:01:54

actually noticing us the most simple

1:01:56

version of it and. When

1:01:58

you recognize that you go home. And my grandmother

1:02:00

was right. My grandfather had her.

1:02:03

Yeah, people are not really paying attention to me. Were

1:02:06

your grandparents telling you that? Totally. Like,

1:02:08

nobody cares about you, Mike? Yeah, basically,

1:02:10

yeah. Get over it. You're

1:02:14

fine, kid. They're

1:02:16

worrying about themselves, not you. My

1:02:19

grandparents were awesome. The Greatest Generation. They had

1:02:21

it right. World War II folks, they had

1:02:23

it right in so many ways. Interesting.

1:02:26

So understand the last kind

1:02:28

of takeaway with FOPO is

1:02:30

understand that you think

1:02:32

other people are noticing you far more than they

1:02:34

actually are, plus everything we've already talked about. I think

1:02:37

that that's pretty cool. OK, let's dive back into confidence,

1:02:39

which is number four, and then we'll come back to number three.

1:02:42

You are not a fan of power poses, right? I'm

1:02:44

not. OK, you're also not a fan of faking it

1:02:46

till you make it. I'm not. Can you talk

1:02:48

to me about why? Sounds

1:02:51

like you are. You like both

1:02:53

of them? Not of power poses. This feels

1:02:55

silly to me. Faking it till you make

1:02:57

it, I am. And I'm curious why

1:02:59

you're not. If I were to say,

1:03:01

hey, I know you're going out to a

1:03:03

big gala, and I've got a fake

1:03:05

Birkin for you, how would

1:03:08

that feel? I think I

1:03:10

would be like, nobody will be able to tell.

1:03:12

That's right. I think that designer bags are silly,

1:03:14

kind of. OK, so it's bad. I

1:03:18

would not spend that much money. I would be.

1:03:20

Designer shoes? No, no, no, no.

1:03:22

Sorry. But I think

1:03:24

I would be like the fake version for

1:03:27

what I'm trying to do, which is ostensibly impress

1:03:29

other people, probably will do the job. So then

1:03:31

I'm like, why not fake it till I can

1:03:33

afford the real version? So where I was pointing to

1:03:35

is I would know it's fake. And I would know

1:03:38

that I'm trying to impress other people. And

1:03:40

I'm saying, fuck that. Sorry

1:03:42

for the crickling that. So if you're faking it

1:03:44

till you're making it, you're looking

1:03:46

for that external validation, not the

1:03:48

internal validation. Yeah. Oh. Yeah.

1:03:52

Points right at the core source for FOPO.

1:03:55

That's so interesting. I know. Maybe you're

1:03:57

going to reorganize the thought. was

1:04:00

your acting as a

1:04:02

performance psychologist, you wouldn't want me faking it. If

1:04:05

I was your tattoo artist, you wouldn't want me faking it.

1:04:07

You'd want to know that I actually am artistic and I

1:04:10

can do it. You wouldn't want your

1:04:12

surgeon or your lawyer. What

1:04:15

about stuff that's not skills-based? So faking it till you

1:04:17

make it comes out a lot in body confidence. I

1:04:19

don't necessarily like how I look, but I'm going to

1:04:21

go out in the world and pretend that I like

1:04:23

how I look. I actually have gotten to a place

1:04:25

where I'm very at peace, but let's say I have

1:04:28

the narrative that I don't like how I look. I'm

1:04:30

going to go out in the world, pretend I like

1:04:32

how I look, and that will train into my brain

1:04:34

acting that way, which will make me more comfortable with

1:04:36

how I look. Yeah. I

1:04:39

would go at it a different way. I'm more

1:04:41

interested in an authentic

1:04:45

relationship with oneself and with others. So I would go

1:04:47

at it a different way. Let's say that I didn't

1:04:49

like the way I feel in my body. I

1:04:52

think very similar to how you just did. If I'm

1:04:54

working with somebody, I would say, let's just work on

1:04:56

that. And when you're out in public, I wouldn't say

1:04:58

fake it. I'd say be you in

1:05:00

that and feel that pain. So

1:05:03

when you're out in the environment, whatever that

1:05:05

social setting is, recognize that that pain is

1:05:08

a lot or it's just

1:05:10

naggingly consistent. Maybe it's not

1:05:13

a lot, but it's just like this small

1:05:15

hum. Feel that pain

1:05:17

and do the work. So

1:05:20

I'm not trying to mask the pain. I'm

1:05:22

not trying to fake any of that. I'm

1:05:24

not a fan of psychological principles that are

1:05:26

masking or faking, nor am I a

1:05:28

fan of knockoff, whatever's that's trying to present a

1:05:30

certain way. One of the worst things a psychologist

1:05:32

can do is have somebody

1:05:34

sit down across them and go, oh, it's

1:05:38

going to be okay. You don't know

1:05:40

that. The best thing a psychologist can do

1:05:42

is say, that looks like that.

1:05:45

You're hurting. Validating. And

1:05:47

they go, yeah, I don't know if

1:05:49

you really understand. Well, help me understand. Let's go deeper

1:05:51

into the pain because once we feel all of that

1:05:53

pain, then that is the impetus

1:05:56

for real change. And when we're constantly trying

1:05:58

to just minimize and we're constantly trying

1:06:00

to drug over or fake over or

1:06:02

drink over or whatever over it, fake

1:06:04

over it that maybe it's an okay

1:06:07

tactic. I don't know. Maybe I'm being

1:06:09

too principle based here

1:06:11

but I tried to fake it for a

1:06:13

long time. It was my

1:06:15

early life and I knew that I

1:06:17

felt like a chocolate Easter

1:06:20

egg bunny. If somebody would poke it just a

1:06:22

little bit, there was nothing on the inside and

1:06:24

I fall into a thousand pieces. And

1:06:27

so I was walking around for so

1:06:29

much of my life scared. So that's

1:06:31

why I have a reaction to the fake thing

1:06:33

because I know it. And

1:06:35

I've had to work really

1:06:37

hard to not continue

1:06:40

life down that path. My parents

1:06:43

were great models for it. Dad

1:06:45

was an alcoholic drug user.

1:06:47

Mom was codependent. So I never really knew what

1:06:50

I was getting. And so

1:06:52

the fake it thing was really easy but

1:06:55

the cost is too much. That's my personal

1:06:57

experience. What are some real ways

1:06:59

that we can build confidence?

1:07:02

Well, one, let me stay on that piece.

1:07:04

Feel the emotional discomfort and pain. Face

1:07:08

your dragon, whatever that thing

1:07:11

is and do it with somebody that is

1:07:13

highly skilled. Do it

1:07:15

with a psychologist. That's all they've studied

1:07:18

and or a minister or a

1:07:20

priest or somebody that is trained and skilled

1:07:22

at it. And like feel

1:07:25

all of that. The

1:07:27

answer will be clear that

1:07:29

you hold the power on how you live

1:07:31

your life. I can give

1:07:34

you an answer about confidence but once you

1:07:36

feel the pain that I'm talking about,

1:07:38

the discomfort of feeling like you're

1:07:40

not okay based on anything other

1:07:42

than who you actually are until

1:07:44

you do that and you put your foot in

1:07:47

the ground or you put your tall tent hole

1:07:49

in the ground, you say, no, no, no, look,

1:07:52

I'm a work in progress and I actually do

1:07:54

want to have this level of fitness or this

1:07:56

type of body structure or whatever. You

1:07:59

got to feel all that pain. Oh, wait, it's so

1:08:01

interesting. I want to linger on that for a

1:08:03

second because it is like by faking

1:08:05

it till we make it, we're saying, I'm not

1:08:09

okay until I find

1:08:11

peace with my body. I'm not okay until

1:08:13

I exhibit this thing that I'm trying to

1:08:15

fake it. And by feeling

1:08:17

that thing, you're saying I'm

1:08:19

okay regardless. Amen. And

1:08:22

I'm also saying I'm a work in

1:08:25

progress. So fake it till you make

1:08:27

it. What does make it mean? Yeah.

1:08:30

So I'm going to show you now that I've

1:08:32

made it. I'm faking it, so I'm completely hollow.

1:08:34

None of this is real. And

1:08:37

I'm going to show you that I've made it. What do

1:08:39

you mean you've made it? Yeah. I

1:08:42

still feel like I'm selling my demo tape out of my trunk.

1:08:44

Like, I never did that.

1:08:46

But like that idea, like I'm still a work

1:08:48

in progress. I'm still trying to figure

1:08:50

out how to be me in

1:08:53

this complicated world. And you're going to show me that

1:08:55

you made it? Come on. I'm

1:08:57

not speaking to you. I'm speaking to all my friends that

1:08:59

are like, I got it together. I don't believe any of

1:09:01

it. So show me that you're a

1:09:03

work in progress and I'm going to be like, yeah,

1:09:05

me too. And what I'm going to do for my loved ones

1:09:07

is I'm going to say, I'm a work

1:09:09

in progress. I'm still trying to figure it out. And

1:09:12

they go, yeah, me too. Now we're working

1:09:14

from the same tall tent pole. So

1:09:18

sorry to go down that narrative. I

1:09:20

don't just say it out of whimsically,

1:09:24

like that's bad science or

1:09:26

that's a whack philosophy. When

1:09:28

I say I am not down with fakity, make it

1:09:30

not, I personally am not down with power

1:09:33

poses. I'll explain that in a minute. I've metabolized

1:09:36

those words and that's why I say them.

1:09:40

Can you give us maybe some type of practice though

1:09:42

that we could do to begin to fill

1:09:45

that confidence after we feel it, after we

1:09:47

accept where we are? Yeah, that's cool. You

1:09:50

can parallel path all of these as well. You could start

1:09:52

with this more simple, less

1:09:55

difficult path, which is when you understand the

1:09:57

mechanics of confidence, confidence only comes from one

1:09:59

place. one place only, which is what you say

1:10:01

to yourself. Now,

1:10:04

if you're going to say to yourself things

1:10:07

that are not believable to you, we're back

1:10:09

to the fake it thing. It's not real. So

1:10:11

what you say to yourself must be grounded. It

1:10:13

has to be true. So this is

1:10:16

why doing that internal alone based work

1:10:19

is really important to become more

1:10:21

aware of the words that you speak

1:10:23

to yourself. That's mindfulness,

1:10:25

conversation with people of wisdom, where we started

1:10:28

and journaling. And

1:10:30

so we want to increase the awareness of

1:10:32

the psychology is invisible. We can't see thoughts,

1:10:34

but we want to increase to our best

1:10:36

ability, the awareness of how we're speaking to

1:10:39

ourselves about ourselves, about our

1:10:41

future, about our past. When

1:10:43

you become more aware of it, you

1:10:45

can navigate and guide your thoughts. And

1:10:48

to make it super simple, step one is

1:10:50

becoming more aware of your thoughts, how you

1:10:52

speaking. Step two is back yourself, coach

1:10:55

yourself, be the greatest

1:10:57

colleague, supporter, champion, whatever

1:10:59

about yourself. And

1:11:01

how do we do that? Is that

1:11:03

self talk comes down to here's the training

1:11:05

of it. I know I'm talking

1:11:07

fast and you and I are going pretty quickly about things. I

1:11:10

built a 15 hour course

1:11:13

that has all of this in here and it's

1:11:15

really good work so that there's at

1:11:17

least a home for this type of training. And

1:11:19

we can put a link to that. Yeah, it's good. I think

1:11:21

it's wonderful. So the thing about that is

1:11:23

that what I asked people

1:11:25

to do, and I'm going to share this in

1:11:27

a story first is be very clear about

1:11:30

the hard things you've done in your life. And

1:11:33

then what do those hard

1:11:35

things in your life give you the right

1:11:38

to say to yourself about yourself? So

1:11:41

I did some early work with a MMA

1:11:43

fighter and I mean, he

1:11:45

was all but 225 pounds, 6% body fat, you know, he

1:11:49

was about six foot one

1:11:52

traps up to his ears, you

1:11:54

know, tattoos crawling up

1:11:57

his neck, cauliflower ears, bald

1:11:59

head. He looked the part and

1:12:02

we were in this small little space in this kind

1:12:04

of corner office and we're doing

1:12:06

some work and I said, I said, what's it like

1:12:09

when you're at your best? He

1:12:11

says, oh, I'm not saying anything to myself. I

1:12:14

go, right, right, right. I knew that,

1:12:16

but I was like, what are you saying to yourself

1:12:18

when you're at your best? I'm

1:12:20

going to give you a quote. I don't want to be at

1:12:22

the cursing gervais here, but so

1:12:24

he looked at me, squares up in my eyes, he says,

1:12:26

oh, I'm a tough motherfucker. I

1:12:29

said, oh, I said, can you back it

1:12:31

up? And he

1:12:33

says, yeah, my last cage fight,

1:12:35

I was in

1:12:37

an end game position. I was being choked out.

1:12:40

I broke the choke hold. I put him on

1:12:42

my shoulder, dragged him across the cage, dumped him

1:12:44

on his back, finished the fight. And he looked

1:12:46

at me and said, Mike, I'm a tough MFR.

1:12:49

I said, you got anything else? And

1:12:51

he looked at me like I was absolutely off my

1:12:54

rocker. And he leans in and he says, yeah,

1:12:57

my dad's ass when I was 15. I'm

1:13:00

a tough MFR. I

1:13:02

don't know what was wrong with me. And I leaned in again and I

1:13:04

said, you got anything else? And

1:13:08

he says, if someone were to ask me one more

1:13:10

question, I just might choke him out. So

1:13:13

he grinned and he looked at me like you got another

1:13:15

question. So the point of that fun story where I was

1:13:17

scared for my life is that he could back it up.

1:13:19

So he knew the language to speak to himself. So

1:13:22

if you want to be confident, it comes from how you speak to

1:13:24

yourself. So he says, when he's

1:13:26

scared, when he's not scared, when he's walking in

1:13:28

the cage, when he's walking into a training environment,

1:13:30

when he's walking into any environment

1:13:32

that he's challenged, he can say, I'm a

1:13:34

tough MFR. And he's

1:13:37

got at least three experiences to back that

1:13:39

up. So I would ask

1:13:41

you or anybody to write down three things

1:13:43

that have been really hard for you. And

1:13:46

then what do those three things give you the right to

1:13:48

say? And then

1:13:50

practice saying that to yourself. That is

1:13:52

so powerful. Yeah, bring that to the

1:13:55

surface. And then find three other things that

1:13:57

have been wonderfully abundant or

1:13:59

whatever. And then what are those three? Honest

1:14:01

experiences that you've been through give you the right to

1:14:03

say. And then bring that to the surface

1:14:05

more often. So that when

1:14:07

you find yourself in a stressful, pressure-packed

1:14:10

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1:14:12

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three is optimism. You

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say that you don't know one world

1:17:55

leader or hyper successful person who doesn't

1:17:57

know the future is going to

1:17:59

be great. They that they don't

1:18:01

fundamentally believe. That if you're is gonna

1:18:03

work out. How

1:18:05

do we do that? I feel like so many

1:18:08

people selling computers is gonna be awesome. The estate

1:18:10

is all. I think that's right.

1:18:12

So optimism or pessimism or psychological

1:18:14

terms. And. What we know

1:18:16

about those two principles is that we are

1:18:18

not necessarily. Can always leave some

1:18:21

room and here for genetics that we don't

1:18:23

understand yet, but for the best way that

1:18:25

we understand optimism, pessimism. It's a lens through

1:18:27

which we view the future. And

1:18:29

were not born with islands. We

1:18:32

learn and develop balance. So.

1:18:35

There's a problem with pessimism, and

1:18:37

there's a problem with optimism. The

1:18:39

problem with optimism is what's called

1:18:41

naive optimism. Taylor. Says hold hands

1:18:44

and run through the minefield. Every could be good. I

1:18:46

don't know what's gonna blow up around us, but it's

1:18:48

gonna work out, don't you think? Naive.

1:18:50

Optimism is very, very dangerous. Naive.

1:18:52

Optimism keeps people in

1:18:55

abusive relationships. House

1:18:58

She's gonna change. I know she embarrasses me every

1:19:00

time we go out. She's gonna change Or she

1:19:02

says she's going to change. When. That

1:19:04

other person hasn't done any work. To.

1:19:06

Be able to back up their words. Super.

1:19:09

Dangerous person isn't as dangerous for obvious reasons

1:19:11

to because we're only finding the things that

1:19:14

are dangerous in our world and thing see.

1:19:16

Seats. On you'll see and we're putting

1:19:19

things together that hang together with some

1:19:21

logic to support that your future is

1:19:23

not gonna work out. And.

1:19:27

Pessimism is learned as a response

1:19:29

to some sort of traumas. Fan.

1:19:33

It's cool. I totally get it. I

1:19:35

respect the traumas that we all go

1:19:38

through and how we carry ourselves from

1:19:40

that. I'm in awe of what so

1:19:42

many of us have to carry. An.

1:19:46

We. Minimize the shit out thing

1:19:48

when we look at social media

1:19:50

like we're not caring things. Know

1:19:52

people are carrying some real stuff

1:19:54

and so I totally get pessimism

1:19:56

as a response to a fan,

1:19:58

the narrative of trauma or a

1:20:00

personal experience set of experiences with

1:20:02

it that we go. hold on.

1:20:06

Now. If you want to

1:20:08

be safe, that is a great strategy. If

1:20:11

you want to be a little sick, It's.

1:20:14

Also, great Jersey. so pessimism keeps

1:20:16

us safe, but also keeps us

1:20:18

in some respects. Because

1:20:21

we're constantly fighting all the things that are wrong. With.

1:20:23

Ourselves and others. And

1:20:26

the research on these two.

1:20:28

It's quite remarkable. grounded, optimistic

1:20:30

people outperform out so live

1:20:32

longer, better health and happiness

1:20:34

like people that know how

1:20:37

to do stress well. And

1:20:40

can see a waste for a good

1:20:42

life in the future. Those to propose:

1:20:44

They stress well. They know how to

1:20:46

work well with stress and I try

1:20:48

to minimize it or or avoid it.

1:20:51

But they're great with stress and they

1:20:53

can see a bright future. Those.

1:20:56

Are two sub capabilities that a really

1:20:58

important to invest in. Could. You

1:21:00

give us one. Thing. We could

1:21:03

do to become more optimistic, especially in

1:21:05

the face as. Think

1:21:07

a lot of us feel like the. World is

1:21:10

just getting worse and scarier and

1:21:12

harder. My. Parents thought that to. My.

1:21:14

Grandparents lot that to the by. Remember

1:21:17

my grandparents saying glad I'm not sixty

1:21:19

now. So much harder and

1:21:21

where you're say that markets. So there's that

1:21:23

idea that because it was different than what

1:21:26

we had that it's worse. There are some

1:21:28

things that are not good with be very

1:21:30

clear as three hundred million people that don't

1:21:32

have running gas electricity. And water.

1:21:35

On the planet offered a million

1:21:37

like. As.

1:21:39

A problem. We're. Eating our planet and

1:21:42

killing our planet as we go us a prompt

1:21:44

the some really complex things that we don't know

1:21:46

how soft okay. So

1:21:48

how can we practice optimism in

1:21:51

the environment in the face of

1:21:53

these very difficult scenarios is the

1:21:55

very simple signs that came out

1:21:57

of University Pennsylvania which is called.

1:22:00

The good things you probably very familiar with

1:22:02

it is at the beginning of the day,

1:22:04

make a commitment to be the researcher of

1:22:06

beauty. The. Researchers Amazing. The researcher of

1:22:08

all things that are really good at the

1:22:10

end of the day. Just write those three

1:22:12

things down. That's. It. One.

1:22:14

Sentence for each and emotion that was part

1:22:16

of that amazing thing that could be as

1:22:19

simple as when we met earlier today and

1:22:21

a way that you shook my hand was

1:22:23

warm and kind and that will be one

1:22:25

of mine. So all put down was a

1:22:28

kind handshake and then apprentices il se warmth.

1:22:31

And so. Doing

1:22:33

that over time helps to wake up

1:22:35

the parts of our brain that say

1:22:37

there's good out there. Because the

1:22:39

brain is designed to find the danger out there. So.

1:22:42

We just want to elicit and

1:22:44

bring forward the other capabilities of

1:22:46

our her amazing Eat Internet ecosystem.

1:22:48

I like that so much more than a

1:22:51

gratitude practice because I find when I just

1:22:53

try to do gratitude practice at the end

1:22:55

of the day I say the same stuff

1:22:57

and like my husband, my cat, my job,

1:22:59

etc etc. And it's nice to start the

1:23:02

day with the detective mindset with the researcher

1:23:04

mindset. See, are looking for those things on

1:23:06

a you're scanning for positivity? Yeah, that's. Good

1:23:08

now to up grade like to go

1:23:10

to the graduate level for gratitude is

1:23:13

you can have the same ones. But.

1:23:15

It's not a box to check. Isn't.

1:23:18

Embodied felt experience.

1:23:21

Do. You gratitude at the under, the beginning of the

1:23:23

and at the end. So mister say you're a

1:23:25

bad road near going through gratitude moment or practice.

1:23:28

Just pick one and try this

1:23:30

for like three weeks sail goes.

1:23:33

Just pick one as an experiment

1:23:35

and just completely seal. The.

1:23:37

Gratitude you have for the health

1:23:39

of harassment or something like and

1:23:41

embody the whole thing. That's a

1:23:43

whole different way of going through.

1:23:45

So I left that okay number

1:23:48

five. I had his living in

1:23:50

the present moment. Give

1:23:52

you that, It's the whole thing. It.

1:23:54

The present moment, as were. High

1:23:57

performance is expressed. wisdom is revealed.

1:24:00

relationships are experienced, you

1:24:02

know, the present moment is where all experience takes

1:24:05

place. And if we can live

1:24:07

in the present moment more often, we end up living

1:24:09

the rich, amazing life. It doesn't mean it's the easy

1:24:11

life. I'm not talking about the easy

1:24:13

life, but the present moment is where

1:24:15

it's at. And our minds are

1:24:17

so busy and so enthralled

1:24:20

with the future dangers and the

1:24:22

past traumas that it's very difficult

1:24:25

to tune right here right now. And

1:24:27

so all of the internal psychological

1:24:30

practices are to help you be here now and

1:24:32

to adjust to the unpredictable, which is a

1:24:34

scary thing, unfolding

1:24:36

unknown. Unpredictable, unfolding

1:24:39

unknown is the qualities of the

1:24:41

present moment. And so if you can

1:24:43

be on time with that

1:24:45

unfolding present moment and you can

1:24:47

navigate your inner experience

1:24:49

with that unfolding present moment, like you're

1:24:51

totally on it. And that's

1:24:54

how the greats do it. You know,

1:24:57

they're here more often. Do you

1:24:59

have a favorite practice to be in the

1:25:01

present moment more often? When

1:25:04

folks want to send an email, send this

1:25:06

full version of this is there's

1:25:08

four things I do every morning. The first thing, and

1:25:10

this all happens when my sheets are still on. So

1:25:13

there's one breath. That's it. So

1:25:16

I'm sending a signal to my brain that

1:25:18

we're going to start calm and

1:25:20

I'm in control. A deep breath? Just

1:25:23

one. Okay. Five seconds in, ten

1:25:25

seconds out. The second

1:25:27

thing is one thought of gratitude. The

1:25:29

embedded gratitude that I just shared with

1:25:31

you. The third is I use my

1:25:33

imagination and I see parts of my

1:25:35

day that I know that I'm going

1:25:37

to be doing and I

1:25:39

use my imagination to see myself

1:25:42

being my very best in those

1:25:44

moments. Okay, so and that takes

1:25:46

like 10, 15, 20 seconds. All of this

1:25:49

happens within 90 seconds. Then to

1:25:51

be present, the fourth thing is I take my sheets off and

1:25:53

I just spend one moment being where my

1:25:56

body is. That's it.

1:25:58

And it feels kind of weird at first. like so

1:26:01

I'm standing next to my bed and I'm just standing there. That's

1:26:04

practicing being present. So

1:26:07

that's a very simple little 90

1:26:09

second practice those four things. And I'm

1:26:11

waking up specific circuitry in my brain

1:26:13

to do that. The second more powerful

1:26:15

way is to practice meditation. What's

1:26:17

your meditation practice? There's two types,

1:26:19

single point and contemplative. And

1:26:22

I spend more time on single point

1:26:24

meditation than contemplative. Is a mantra

1:26:26

meditation single point? It is. Yeah, so

1:26:28

it's repeating over and over. That's what I

1:26:30

do most often. So when your mind wanders,

1:26:33

you're returning back to the single point to the one

1:26:35

thing. And you become

1:26:38

more intimately aware with when you're

1:26:40

distracted and how to speak

1:26:42

to yourself to bring it back. And so

1:26:44

that's one of the great values of

1:26:46

single point meditation. And how long

1:26:48

do you meditate for? Sometimes

1:26:50

it's a minute. I've been practicing about 25

1:26:52

years. Sometimes it's like one minute. Sometimes

1:26:55

it's... Do you have a minimum you try to hit every day? Oh

1:26:57

yeah, one minute. Okay. I love that. Yeah.

1:27:01

I mean, I ebb and flow. Like when

1:27:04

I'm on it, it's like that minute

1:27:06

is amazing. And sometimes it's 20 minutes.

1:27:08

Sometimes it's seven. And

1:27:11

so I ebb and flow with it. And so more

1:27:13

days than not, it's about 15. I

1:27:16

love that. Okay, so my final

1:27:18

list for your approval is...

1:27:21

Thank you for the conversation. Like I loved

1:27:23

how you've created space for me

1:27:25

to just explore with you. And so thank you

1:27:27

for your smile, the kindness in your eyes and

1:27:29

the way that you've created the space. Thank

1:27:32

you. This has been so wonderful for

1:27:34

me. Yeah, ditto. Okay, so

1:27:36

we have operate with fear. We

1:27:39

have overcome FOPO. We

1:27:42

have be optimistic. We

1:27:44

have build your confidence. And we

1:27:46

have live in the present moment. Are

1:27:49

you satisfied? I co-sign all of those.

1:27:51

Yeah. Are we missing anything that's

1:27:53

critical to be

1:27:55

our most successful selves? Yeah,

1:27:59

I think that part... That we talked about

1:28:01

earlier which is no your first principles.

1:28:03

Like that's foundational. Be

1:28:06

clear about a compelling future you're

1:28:08

working toward, so maybe you could collapses

1:28:10

under. Work. Well with the

1:28:12

or maybe you could, but I think that

1:28:14

those are foundational. To. All

1:28:16

humans that is not easy work. So.

1:28:19

I would just maybe awestruck those. I

1:28:21

left that will thank you so much for

1:28:23

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