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So independent journalist, Karlyn Borisenko,

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infiltrated a socialism conference,

0:36

which was aptly named the Socialism

0:38

Conference. I guess it's one of the biggest conferences where socialists

0:41

gather in the United States. And she went undercover.

0:44

She doesn't identify as a conservative, but she's on

0:46

our side. I would say she's on the right

0:48

versus on the left. She's certainly not a socialist. She

0:51

can describe to you her exact ideology. We agree

0:53

on a lot and we disagree on some stuff, but

0:55

she's a great follow on X. Highly recommend

0:58

you guys follow her there. But she took a

1:00

recording device with her undercover

1:02

at this conference and caught the

1:04

socialists at this conference admitting exactly

1:07

what they want for our country, what

1:09

they want for our families, what they want for

1:11

our children, and how they are trying to sneak

1:14

their ideology and indoctrination

1:16

past even, past us, even

1:19

in states where, for example, it

1:21

is not legal any longer to indoctrinate

1:24

with critical race theory in schools. They have strategies

1:27

and loopholes that they're exploiting to try to get around this.

1:29

So I want to show you some of this footage that she captured

1:31

because it's remarkable. It's

1:34

also a crazy thing to do to go to a socialism

1:36

conference. So guys, follow

1:39

her at carlin.substack.com. But she's

1:41

with me now. Carlin Borisenko, thanks for coming on the show.

1:44

Hey, thanks so much for having me and discussing what is

1:46

a little bit of a crazy topic, if we're honest

1:48

about it.

1:50

This is a crazy topic. So before we even get into

1:52

the clips, I want you to tell me how you

1:54

came up with this idea. And how you pulled

1:56

it off because I would say

1:59

just to be a little...

1:59

that if you line up a bunch of people

2:02

on the right, maybe conservatives, and then you

2:04

line up a bunch of socialists, they

2:06

look a little different, they act a little different, they

2:08

talk a little different. So how did you pull off going

2:10

to this conference without them discovering that you were a

2:12

plant? Yeah, I'm really glad

2:14

you asked because it was actually quite an endeavor.

2:17

About a year ago, I started on my YouTube

2:19

channel just as a gag, this thing called Socialism

2:21

Saturday, where every Saturday on my channel,

2:24

we sit down and we watch real socialist content

2:26

and we talk about it and we have drinks and we make fun of them.

2:28

And it actually started because I realized this socialism

2:31

conference was streaming their keynotes onto

2:33

YouTube Live last year. And it was

2:35

like, ha ha guys, let's make fun of the socialists.

2:38

And then we all kind of became so obsessed with it

2:40

that it became a weekly endeavor and we started

2:42

learning who these real socialist activists were

2:44

and we started learning how to speak socialist because

2:47

even though it sounds like they speak English, they don't really speak

2:49

English, they speak in code so that

2:51

only they can understand. And after a year

2:54

of watching these people once or twice

2:56

a week online, I said, you know what? I

2:58

wanna go into the belly of the beast, I wanna go to the socialism

3:00

conference, I'm ready. I know how to speak socialist,

3:03

I know how to dress like them, I know how to act like them.

3:05

And so I decided to sign up and go. And

3:07

actually, it's funny how I got away with

3:09

it because the socialists were well aware that I

3:11

was streaming their content and they didn't

3:14

like it at all. Like I was one of their public

3:16

enemies. And so I signed up under

3:18

a fake name several months ago.

3:21

And then when it started getting closer to the conference,

3:23

I said, what would happen if I signed

3:25

up under my real name? Would they let me come? Would they

3:28

let me listen to their content? Because I'm not

3:30

disruptive or anything, I just wanted to listen.

3:32

And so I signed up under my real name but also

3:34

had the fake name registration. And then

3:37

two days after they closed online

3:39

registration, they emailed me

3:41

and they preemptively banned me from the conference

3:44

for a code of conduct violation before

3:46

I even left New Hampshire to go. And

3:48

I was like, okay, well, I still have the fake name registration

3:51

so I'm still going. On my way

3:53

to Chicago, I was literally sitting

3:55

in the airport in Boston, I got an email from my

3:57

hotel. They canceled my hotel.

4:00

reservation while I was on the

4:02

way there. So it was like this mad dash where I had

4:04

to find another hotel that was

4:06

near the conference, but I did, and I was

4:09

in a disguise. I had to dye my hair. I got these S

4:11

G W glasses, but the key of it was

4:13

Liz is that

4:14

this

4:15

conference has a mask mandate. And so

4:17

I kind of had like a

4:18

built in disguise where I just

4:20

dressed very non binary and I

4:22

got past all of them.

4:25

That is so first of all, the glasses, it's the same

4:27

glasses you're wearing right now, right? You got those as part

4:29

of your guys. I actually did. I totally

4:31

fit you. I actually like them. I actually

4:34

really liked them too. And I'd been planning on getting these

4:36

glasses for a long time and actually like,

4:38

so I got them a couple of weeks before the conference and I said,

4:40

I'm just not going to wear them publicly before I go

4:42

so that no one will have seen them.

4:46

So what did you do to disguise your appearance? Cause if you've been

4:48

streaming on YouTube and the socialists

4:50

knew you were, you were public enemy number one, they

4:52

would recognize your voice. I mean, you have a distinctive

4:54

voice, I think. Oh, I

4:56

don't know what your face looks like from all these up close videos.

4:58

So what did you do to disguise yourself? Well,

5:00

so I did have to wear a mask the whole time.

5:03

Like, and then, so I was wearing that mask everywhere.

5:05

I did not take that mask off until I got back

5:07

to the hotel room actually. And so I was like one

5:09

of those people walking down the street wearing a mask,

5:11

but you know, the glasses actually really do change

5:13

my appearance. My hair was a different color.

5:16

I styled it in a different way. I was wearing a mask.

5:18

I wore really baggy clothes. So I really

5:21

tried to make myself look like much bigger than I

5:23

actually am in real life because a lot

5:25

of socialists are a lot bigger. It's just the way

5:27

it goes. And so I just kind of like said to

5:29

myself, I didn't really talk to

5:31

anyone. I kind of just like, you know, I came

5:33

in, I sat in their sessions, I had a little

5:36

tiny recording device in my pockets. It's that

5:38

big. And I just sat there and I listened to them. Interesting.

5:42

And were they friendly? Like did they notice that you were

5:44

someone that didn't usually come to their conference? Did they try

5:46

to engage with you? Oh, Oh, they did

5:48

try to engage with me. Oh, they're very friendly. They're, they're

5:50

very nice to people who they think are other socialists.

5:53

Like for sure. I mean, it is actually like, you

5:55

know, you know, like the whole like body positivity

5:57

thing and just like accepting everyone. that

6:00

applies to people who they think are on their side.

6:02

And so they're not gonna like ostracize

6:05

anyone for any reason, as long as they think

6:07

that you have the same politics as they do. Interesting,

6:10

interesting. Okay, so we showed one of these clips

6:13

on the show last week. You released some kind

6:15

of a couple of day last week for a few days

6:17

in a row. We showed the one of Emily

6:19

Drabinski. She's the president of the American Library

6:22

Association talking about using public

6:24

schools and public libraries as sites

6:27

of socialist organizing. It's

6:29

like shocking to hear them say this, but at the same time,

6:31

we shouldn't be surprised because this is what they want to

6:33

do. We're not gonna show that clip again. You guys can go back

6:35

and watch the show last week because I wanna

6:37

get to the clip.

6:39

It's

6:41

called Fugitive Pedagogy. And

6:44

before we play this,

6:45

to give context to people so that

6:47

we know what we're watching and what we're listening

6:49

to, because the recording device, guys, remember, this was

6:52

in her pocket. So you do have to listen

6:54

closely to hear what these voices are saying.

6:56

Totally worth listening to closely. But Carlin,

6:58

can you tell us what we're going to be watching in this

7:00

video? Yeah, I believe we're gonna be

7:02

watching a clip from Jesse Hagopian.

7:05

There are actually several clips about Fugitive Pedagogy.

7:08

So Fugitive Pedagogy was one of the main themes. Yeah, we have

7:10

them both. Oh, cool. So yeah,

7:12

Fugitive Pedagogy was one of the main themes I

7:14

heard over and over and over again at the conference. And

7:16

it's basically this idea that in states

7:18

where they have banned the topic of critical

7:21

race theory, systemic racism, unconscious bias,

7:23

of all that from public schools, what the socialists

7:25

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7:28

from out of state into these classrooms,

7:30

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Okay, so they're and they're teaching each

10:01

other how to do this because this is obviously a loophole.

10:03

They think they won't get caught So let's let's

10:06

take a look at this this first

10:10

All right, thank you everybody I'm just

10:12

gonna go here on the teacher in Seattle and

10:15

I work with black lives matter at school

10:17

and This is an education

10:19

project and we think in school

10:21

so

10:21

I've actually got the zoom

10:24

in and do meetings with classrooms in Florida

10:26

and With some bold teachers

10:29

who invited us into the classroom

10:32

in the tradition of fugitive kind of goji

10:35

You know

10:37

culture band curriculum the

10:42

Rebellion I

10:47

Got the stomach raises on the state where

10:49

it's illegal So

10:51

that Rebellion

10:54

is Inspiring to me and telling

10:56

teacher the my state to do this work if

10:58

they can do it in those conditions, right? So

11:01

I thank you all For the work

11:03

you're doing the way that you're putting up is

11:05

really for all of us

11:08

Because we know what they are

11:10

incubating in Florida

11:12

is about exporting

11:14

it all across the country We've already

11:16

seen that right when Florida banned Asian

11:20

American studies curriculum the

11:22

response was a rebellion for

11:25

ethnic studies all across the country The response

11:27

from the tallest board was okay

11:30

cool. We'll cut everything that you

11:32

wanted out of it So the word

11:34

systemic does not exist in

11:36

AP African-american

11:39

curriculum anymore. That is an

11:41

advanced course. If you can't talk

11:43

about systemic racism You're just lying

11:46

about

11:46

this country, right? They

11:48

are now exporting the don't

11:50

say gay don't say trans Laws

11:53

across the country know that Florida's not

11:55

the only state now, right? So

11:57

they are incubating the spatches over there

12:00

working on ways. One of

12:03

the ways we need to understand what's happening

12:06

right now is to understand how the defeatedness

12:08

to look at the McCarthy era because

12:11

the red scare and the lavender

12:13

scare are the playbooks I think that they're

12:16

drawn from very consciously.

12:19

And the Lavender Scare

12:22

actually more people were fired from

12:24

the federal government for being labeled

12:27

homosexual than even the

12:30

red, even the Congress.

12:36

And

12:40

specifically in Florida,

12:43

the

13:08

history and teach that

13:10

history to young

13:11

people, to our social movements,

13:14

and help us understand the tradition they

13:16

stand in and the one that we stand

13:18

in because what ended the McCarthy

13:20

era and the red scare and the Lavender

13:22

scare was the eruption of the Civil

13:25

Rights movement, the Black Power movement, the

13:27

gay liberation, right? And I'll just

13:29

end by saying that the new law goes

13:32

into place in the

13:33

United States and we

13:36

have a reading book

13:41

in your classroom about race

13:43

or sexuality. You can't face a felony

13:46

in Florida, right? And

13:48

then you're five years

13:50

in jail. Right,

13:53

exactly. And so

13:55

my question just to end is, what

13:57

do we do when the first, do you think they're asking

13:59

for a I want to get on the

14:01

next plane, the first teacher who

14:04

faces a felony for having a wrong book.

14:13

I want to get down there and be in front of that

14:15

school. How do we mobilize our networks

14:17

to get people involved? Okay,

14:23

so fascinating,

14:24

right? Totally fascinating.

14:26

First of all, who

14:28

is this guy? Is he a

14:31

staple in the socialist movement? What does he do?

14:34

What is he organizing? Give us a little background on this individual first

14:36

before we even get to the content of what he's talking about. Yeah,

14:39

Jesse Hagopian is a staple in the socialist

14:41

movement. I was actually just looking at, so this conference

14:43

was put on by Haymarket Books, which is

14:45

one of the key socialist book publishers. Socialists

14:48

have dozens and dozens of book publishers

14:50

that do nothing but churn out socialist books.

14:53

Haymarket Books actually took over from the International

14:55

Socialist Organization, one of the main socialist

14:57

organizers in the country. They had a little scandal a couple of

14:59

years ago, and now they've changed their

15:01

name into Haymarket Books. But Jesse Hagopian presents

15:04

for them all the time. He is a high school

15:06

teacher in Seattle. He works for

15:08

Black Lives Matter in school. So anytime

15:10

you see Black Lives Matter curriculum showing up

15:12

in school, which it's still in schools

15:14

all over the country, that's coming from

15:16

these people. He works for the Zen

15:19

Education Project too, which is overtly

15:21

pushing socialist curriculum in schools. And

15:23

he is just all over the place. He's also involved in something

15:26

called the Tempest Collective, which is a

15:28

radical revolutionary socialist group

15:30

that is a national collective that are

15:32

actively pushing for revolution. And when we say revolution,

15:35

what we mean is the overthrow of

15:37

capitalism. That is always the goal

15:40

of these people. And so Jesse Hagopian

15:42

has actually been on the record in different clips that

15:44

I posted in saying that the purpose

15:46

of pushing Black Lives Matter curriculum and

15:48

anti-racist curriculum into schools is

15:51

explicitly to create a socialist

15:54

world because they are hyper-aware that

15:56

the schools are basically the largest

15:58

audience that they will... ever have, the

16:00

largest captive audience that they will ever have.

16:03

And so that is something that they're hyper focused

16:05

on right now. Well,

16:07

that was one of the interesting things I think that he said.

16:09

He said the way, and this

16:11

is his version of revisionist history, of course, I'm just quoting

16:14

him, but he said that the way that the Red Scare ended was

16:16

the Black liberation movement,

16:18

the Black power movement. And he said, that's going to have to happen

16:21

again. Well, the Black power movement, the

16:23

Black liberation movement, these were violent movements,

16:25

these were revolutionary movements. So it sounds to me like he's

16:27

calling for that again. Oh, absolutely.

16:30

And I'm going to tell you guys to like critical race theory

16:32

hasn't really been talked about in the past like year and

16:34

a half or so, because people have been mostly focused

16:36

on gender ideology. Critical race theory

16:38

is about to make a comeback because

16:41

what's happened in the far left communities is

16:43

that the Black far left communities

16:45

are actually really annoyed that the trans people

16:47

are getting all the attention. And so they're

16:49

riling up around critical race theory. And so that's

16:52

about to start making a major comeback again, we're

16:54

going to see that. But no, I mean, they are

16:56

hyper aware that this is, you know, when you look at

16:58

the black look at the LGBTQ movement

17:00

now, what has actually happened is

17:03

there is a branch of socialism called queer

17:05

Marxism. And I could go on and on about queer

17:07

Marxism for days, but queer Marxists

17:09

have basically hijacked legitimate

17:12

like, you know, groups that were actually like doing

17:14

kind of like normal things like like, you know, we

17:16

might not agree about gay marriage and that sort of thing. But

17:19

but that was like a legitimate problem for a lot of gay people,

17:21

right? Once they got the right to get married,

17:23

what happened is these Marxist group came

17:25

in and hijacked that particular movement

17:28

and used it to push Marxism into the schools

17:30

and through things like gender sexuality

17:32

lines is that sort of thing. So they are actually

17:34

very hyper focused on on, you know,

17:37

pushing that ideology to kids in

17:39

these ways. They have a program called rethinking

17:41

schools where they actually will create

17:43

materials for teachers to use in

17:45

the classroom. I actually have a rethinking

17:47

schools teacher planning textbook that I got

17:50

for like $8 on the internet that lays out

17:52

all the social justice things they want teachers to

17:54

teach. They create entire curriculum for them. And

17:56

I'd say this because a lot of people are focusing

17:59

on the books.

17:59

classroom.

18:01

The teachers don't need books. They're creating

18:03

their own curriculum. They're downloading stuff off the internet.

18:05

They're zooming in other people. And so

18:07

they're finding ways around all of your the

18:10

book stuff, all of the laws, and

18:12

they're not going to stop until they get what they want.

18:16

So

18:16

this fugitive pedagogy thing, when he's

18:18

talking about the fugitive or smuggler

18:20

pedagogy, I think there are two terms for the same

18:22

thing.

18:22

So the teacher, if we're talking about Florida, for

18:25

example, where it's not permitted to talk

18:27

about trans ideology or critical race theory in the classroom,

18:30

the teacher themselves are not allowed to

18:33

speak about that. So is there a loophole

18:35

in the law that allows a teacher that's

18:37

been zoomed in in a different state to do that? Or

18:39

is there just no enforcement mechanism because that teacher

18:42

out of state is outside the reach of Florida

18:44

law enforcement? There's no enforcement

18:46

mechanism for it, because I mean, they can't go arrest

18:49

Jesse Hagopian in Seattle for zooming

18:51

into a classroom, right? And I would actually argue

18:53

that, you know, these laws

18:56

have always been a little bit misguided, because the fact

18:58

of the matter is, is that school boards don't actually

19:00

enforce curriculum in the vast majority of

19:02

states. It's only in Vermont and Connecticut that schools

19:05

school boards actually have oversight over

19:07

curriculum. And so once the classroom

19:09

door closes, teachers can teach whatever

19:11

they want. And so I strongly recommend people,

19:13

you know, go on the social media of your of your

19:16

kids teachers, like look at their Instagram, look at their

19:18

Facebook, look at their Twitter, because if they're

19:20

teaching things, they shouldn't be, chances are

19:22

they're going to be posting it online. And you want to make

19:24

sure you know that. Liz

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So

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I don't know. This is confusing

21:47

to me in a way because would the

21:49

teacher in Florida, this hypothetical teacher that

21:51

zoomed in, a radical teacher, would they not be

21:54

culpable? Would they not be able to be held accountable

21:56

under Florida law because they were the ones that presented

21:58

the Zoom call even if they weren't the teacher? that spoke

22:00

the words on the Zoom call? Or is there

22:02

really no way that this can be enforced? I

22:05

think that that's a really good question. And that's a really

22:07

good question for Ron DeSantis. And I would actually

22:09

like to see his answer to that. Because I don't

22:11

think that this is something that anyone

22:13

has actually planned for, that they were going to Zoom

22:15

in people from out of state. But again, how

22:17

are they going to monitor that? How are they going to enforce

22:19

it? I strongly push for

22:22

the idea of cameras in classrooms a couple of years

22:24

ago. Not that I'm necessarily interested in increasing

22:26

the surveillance state. I think that's bad. But

22:29

the fact of the matter is, if you don't have eyes in those

22:31

classrooms, how are you even going to know what's going

22:33

on? Yeah,

22:36

or what some nonprofits do, especially in the political

22:38

world, maybe this applies in a sense,

22:40

a little bit in a parallel sense. What nonprofits

22:42

do if they're not allowed to talk about political candidates is

22:44

they say, well, official staff members don't talk about political

22:47

candidates. But if we hire a seeker that comes

22:49

on stage and they talk about a political candidate, well, we didn't

22:51

know that in advance. It's not in our control what they

22:53

say. Maybe it's that sort of plausible deniability.

22:56

Okay, I want to go on to the next clip, because we do have a few

22:58

of these that are all, I would say

23:01

equally as shocking. This one, we

23:03

know this. But to hear it

23:05

being spoken out of the mouth of a socialist, I think,

23:07

just helps orient us

23:10

to how to fight back to this. This is a clip, if you could

23:12

explain the context, where they're talking about how education,

23:14

meaning the public school system, should be

23:17

the primary tool used to transform

23:19

a country into a socialist nation. Yeah,

23:22

so this was in a session against confronting the

23:26

backlash against anti-racist education.

23:28

And it just shows that they are hyper-aware

23:31

that education is the key to

23:33

the kingdom. They are going, it's

23:35

a trope, right, to say, they're going after your kids, but

23:37

they're going after your kids. They know

23:39

that this is the key to building their socialist

23:42

world. And they are hyper-aware

23:44

that the right is really focused on books. And

23:47

so I want to emphasize for people, I understand

23:49

why people have been focused on books. I understand there's

23:51

pornographic material in books. But what you need

23:53

to understand is that because the socialists

23:56

know that the conservative right are focused on books,

23:58

they're going over here. So they're going to

24:00

the other side. They're going into policy, they're going

24:02

into curriculum, they're getting into positions of power

24:05

within the administration. And I think that this

24:07

clip is really illustrative of that

24:09

philosophy. Okay,

24:11

let's play this clip. Cause this is them, this

24:13

is the word from their mouth. So I'm gonna wrap up by talking

24:16

about why I think

24:19

this struggle for anti-racist education

24:21

right now should

24:23

be a central whitechen

24:26

gamble against public dra disconnected.

24:29

My mates during that difficult time

24:31

they saw

24:35

that one significant

24:39

thing

24:54

they were doing, that all the parents, that

24:57

all the educators were unionizing. This

25:00

is like a key, this is

25:02

always, should have always been a major

25:04

focus. Some of the most important services

25:07

for the world is the means for

25:09

violence. We have a time that can break

25:11

together millions of public hearings

25:13

and pull together and then come to control. But now,

25:16

as a far-righted man, we're

25:19

number one

25:21

way

25:23

to remove. I think we really

25:25

have to see the urgency of

25:28

focusing our movement.

25:31

I'm really in trouble for

25:34

empty-racist education. I don't know how to do

25:37

it. And by saying that,

25:39

we're meeting the potential

25:42

to get a useful and credible fight back

25:44

to this topic. But the reality is

25:46

there's an incredible fight back happening.

25:49

Whether it's just classroom teachers

25:52

who are refusing

25:53

to lie to students, even

25:55

the lonkers they come to. And

25:57

they're

25:57

doing what's all the fluidness, all the beauty.

26:00

of pedagogy?

26:03

So this, Karlin, I think is really important,

26:05

not because parents aren't aware, not because citizens

26:07

aren't aware that education is being used as indoctrination,

26:10

but because I think a lot of people on

26:12

the right feel that we have

26:14

emerged victorious

26:15

against critical race theory in the classroom because

26:18

parents have taken over school boards because states have

26:20

passed laws banning this in

26:22

the classroom. We feel, oh, this is

26:24

an area of the culture war that we won. We actually did

26:26

it. We eradicated this. And this kind of says,

26:29

oh, wait a second, wait a second. They're

26:31

not giving up. They're actually just doubling down.

26:33

Yeah. I mean, you're absolutely right about that,

26:35

Liz. And this is the thing, again, school

26:38

boards do not actually dictate curriculum in

26:40

the vast majority of states. And I don't think a

26:42

lot of people realize that, but this is also,

26:45

socialists are not going to stop something

26:47

just because a law tells them

26:49

not to do it, right? That's their whole thing. They

26:52

like the struggle. They like going up against

26:54

diversity. And I think, again, they are hyper

26:56

aware that this is their key battleground.

26:59

The battleground that everyone needs to be paying attention

27:01

to are the schools and especially in regards

27:03

to parental rights about what's going on

27:05

in those schools. But this is, you know, what

27:07

I loved about this clip is it was so explicit

27:10

that we are doing anti-racist

27:12

education because we know it's our

27:14

key to building a socialist world. That's

27:17

why they're doing it. Another thing they talked

27:19

about in a different clip that I haven't posted yet is

27:21

all about this idea of teaching truthful history,

27:24

which is what they say they're doing when they're teaching

27:26

critical race theory. And essentially what

27:28

they mean when they say we're teaching the true

27:30

history or accurate history is

27:32

they're teaching a far left interpretation

27:35

of history that's always coming through this

27:37

bias of collective struggle,

27:39

which is how they frame it. And so I

27:42

just, you know, anytime you see Black

27:44

Lives Matter curriculum showing up in schools, anytime

27:46

you see social justice curriculum or

27:48

anti-racist education or any of that, people

27:51

need to be aware that it all leads back

27:53

to this far left political ideology. And

27:56

this is Marxism, this is communism. And

27:58

they're going to the schools because if they can get it, they can get it. your

28:00

kids early enough, they know that it's

28:02

day near impossible to change their minds later.

28:06

It is, which is, it's

28:09

heartbreaking. So some of the language you said they have, they

28:11

said they speak a different language. They're technically speaking

28:13

English, but they have their code words that they use. What

28:15

are some of these code words that people should be on the lookout for?

28:18

Oh, I'm so glad you asked this question. Okay, so

28:20

people need to understand that the four goals

28:23

of the far left are always and forever

28:25

the same. Gain as much power as possible,

28:27

destabilize the system, attack

28:29

capitalism, usher in their Marxist utopia.

28:32

So I want to go through those four real quick because it will

28:34

explain the language gain they're playing. The

28:36

first thing they do is gain power. So they get themselves

28:38

into institutional power positions through getting

28:41

jobs, teachers, administrators, principals,

28:43

superintendents, politicians, what have

28:45

you, so that they can control the system.

28:47

They use the power that they gain in

28:49

order to destabilize the system. That

28:52

means they cause problems. They cause

28:54

problems that cause people pain in

28:56

society, whether that be fiery, but

28:58

mostly peaceful protests or critical

29:00

race theory in the classroom or whatever it is, their

29:03

fundamental goal is always and forever

29:05

to create chaos, to destabilize

29:08

everything that we have built American society on.

29:11

Once they cause problems and destabilize

29:13

things and people are feeling pain based

29:15

on those problems, they say capitalism

29:17

is to blame for all of this. That is

29:20

your big problem. Capitalism

29:22

has caused all of the racist problems in this

29:24

country. It's caused all the gender problems in this country.

29:26

It's caused all the inflation, all the inequality.

29:29

So capitalism is the boogeyman. And then

29:31

once they convince people that capitalism is the boogeyman,

29:33

they say, how about Marxism? How

29:35

about we try something new? And so that's what

29:37

they're doing with every single tactic that they implement.

29:40

So in terms of the language gain that they're

29:42

playing, anytime you hear the word whiteness,

29:45

white supremacy, anti-racism,

29:48

they are not talking about the color of your skin.

29:50

They're talking about capitalism because

29:53

they believe that capitalism is the underlying

29:55

problem to what they call systemic racism

29:58

in this country. systemic

30:00

racism. Capitalism created slavery. And

30:03

so they believe that people who are white

30:05

are the bourgeois. They are the landowners,

30:08

the private property owners. They are the

30:10

CEOs. The number

30:12

one goal of socialists is to abolish private

30:15

property. And that means your house, they don't

30:17

want you on your house. They don't want you to have a kitchen.

30:20

When Joe Biden wanted to get rid of our stoves, that's

30:22

actually a real socialist thing that they're trying to get rid

30:24

of private kitchens. They don't want you to have a car.

30:26

They don't want you to have a business. And

30:29

spoiler alert, your children are considered

30:31

private property too. And they don't want that to

30:33

exist either. So that's a different thing we

30:35

should pick up on in a second. But whiteness

30:38

always means capitalism. This is why we see

30:40

headlines in the Washington Post about multiracial

30:42

whiteness. This is why the Los Angeles Times

30:45

called Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy.

30:47

It's not about skin color at all. So that's a

30:49

trick that they play very, very often

30:51

that people need to be aware of.

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Which I think we've all heard that. I mean, we laugh.

32:46

The Larry Elder example is probably the most apropos

32:48

example. We're like, how can a black man be a white

32:51

supremacist? Remember that those

32:53

five cops, I think it was in Tennessee,

32:55

either early this year or late last year, and

32:57

they essentially beat to death a black man. There were five black

33:00

cops and yet they were told that this was a white supremacist

33:02

violence. And we were like, wait a second. The police chief

33:04

is black. These five cops are black. This was obviously

33:07

an egregious crime beating this guy, but what

33:09

did race have to do with it? And the

33:11

left were not deterred. They were like, no, no, this is an

33:13

institution of white supremacy because the police is supposed

33:16

to protect private property from your person

33:18

to the things that you own. So keep

33:21

an ear out guys for these terms. Okay.

33:23

I want to go to the grooming aspect

33:25

of this. This is really shocking. I think

33:28

this was the most disturbing thing that was recorded.

33:31

Just a heads up to you guys listening, if you have kids in the room,

33:33

you might not want to play this in front

33:35

of them. But this was, and Carlin,

33:38

you can give more context than this, but this is what they were talking about children

33:40

as quote unquote sex workers. I don't even like

33:43

that phrase because it's just a rebrand

33:45

or a euphemism for prostitution

33:47

and pornography. Potato, potato, I

33:50

suppose. But they weren't just talking about this

33:52

for adults where it's bad enough, but

33:55

for children. Can you explain the context

33:57

of this video before we play it? Yeah, absolutely.

33:59

So. if we're going up a session called the politics

34:02

of a childhood and and

34:04

so now i just explained that they do not considered

34:06

children to be the private property of their

34:08

parents they believe socialists

34:10

or a little bit like scientologists in this respect where

34:12

they believe that children are but little

34:14

adults in little body is they can make

34:16

all their own decisions this is why they

34:18

have no problem with kids having gender reassignment

34:21

surgery or anything like that and so this

34:23

was a session talking about the politics

34:25

of how do we liberate children

34:28

from their parents because they

34:30

believe that when children are private property

34:32

of their parents they are quite literally equating

34:34

it to slavery and so that's the context

34:36

of what we're about the here which

34:39

is absolutely bananas okay

34:42

let's play have club every credit for groomers

34:44

children as

34:48

a more

35:20

modern world

35:59

about

36:01

movement for liberation of children

36:03

and how you understand. Just

36:06

to one extent, you're thinking, really, how

36:08

could one that includes living

36:10

right away? It's on the street. Like,

36:12

that's for sure. People

36:14

don't accept. People

36:17

don't expect to survive and cross the character's

36:19

zones and go on the streets.

36:22

Yeah, how are you thinking about that? Are you thinking

36:24

about that? Are you guys...

36:28

Are we just walking through too much trouble to even tell you the address

36:30

that when talking

36:32

about the right to children? Someone took that up there.

36:35

Thank you both. That's

36:37

so disturbing.

36:37

The casual

36:39

way that she asked this question and these phrases, like I

36:41

said, I know that the video... Remember, she had

36:44

this recording device in her pocket, so

36:46

she's undercover. That's why it's a little bit fuzzy. But

36:49

we can pretty clearly hear what she's saying. This

36:51

sex work activist is talking about the,

36:53

quote, right of young people

36:56

in the sex industry. She uses the term

36:58

children's liberation vision.

37:01

I mean, Carlin, this is a deranged

37:03

individual. I have

37:05

to tell you, I heard a lot of shocking things at the socialism conference,

37:08

and I heard this at about 1030 in the morning when

37:10

I hadn't even had my coffee yet, and I was literally

37:13

sitting right next to the woman when she said it, and

37:15

it was probably one of the hardest things of the entire conference

37:18

that I could not react. I couldn't roll my eyes. I couldn't

37:20

look shocked. I just looked down at the floor. I

37:23

was like, no, no, this is not good. But

37:25

what she's talking about is that, I mean, and she

37:28

says it in the clip, you know, some children just

37:30

need to be sex workers because they find themselves

37:32

in desperate situations. So how do we protect the rights

37:34

of those children to be sex workers? And there

37:36

was no pushback. And I kind

37:38

of, you know, I don't want to... It was just, it was

37:41

mind-blowing to me, and I kind

37:43

of sort of understand what she's saying in

37:45

that what she's arguing is

37:47

that children should not be arrested

37:50

for being sex workers, which I do agree with. If

37:53

children get put in that position, they shouldn't be arrested. But

37:55

what was shocking to me is that there

37:57

was no talk of, well, why are they... sex

38:00

workers in the first place? How do we get them out immediately

38:02

of being sex workers? How do we protect them? It

38:05

was it was literally just like, Oh, yeah, I'm

38:07

sure children should be like, no, children should

38:09

not be sex workers. Like, there was nothing

38:11

to that effect. And the answer that she got

38:13

back and the answer was actually from a

38:15

professor at Johns Hopkins University.

38:18

It's this woman named Jules Gil Peterson,

38:20

who is also deeply embedded in

38:22

socialism movements. I've actually got her on tape

38:24

advising college students to self administer

38:27

cross sex hormones, which is a whole other can

38:29

of worms. But I mean, the answer back was,

38:31

if you want to protect the rights of children to be sex workers,

38:34

then just get some people together to help you

38:36

inform a movement. And it's like, no,

38:38

like, this is this is the line

38:40

that you should not cross. But in

38:43

their world, again, children are but little

38:45

adults that can make all their own decisions. And

38:47

I want people to be aware to these attacks

38:49

that you see on parental rights, be

38:52

it that school boards or school

38:54

districts across the country have these policies

38:56

where they are not informing parents

38:59

when their children use different names,

39:01

different gender in the classroom, many different school

39:03

districts have been sued for doing this by parents

39:05

who have their kids socially transitioned

39:08

by the schools because they didn't tell the parents

39:10

what was going on. That all directly

39:12

relates back to the people that we just heard.

39:15

Because the attacks on parental rights are

39:17

coming from these people. If you see op-eds

39:20

in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the

39:22

Spectator, the Atlantic, all attacking

39:24

parental rights for parents, they are always

39:27

written by socialists. I mean, and you can tell based

39:29

on the language that they're using, sometimes they even admit

39:31

that they're socialists. And so, you know, it

39:33

might seem like an abstract clip that people don't

39:35

think has a lot of relevance to their lives. But

39:37

if your child goes to a school in

39:40

which the school policy says that

39:42

they do not have to inform you, if your

39:44

kids are using different names and pronouns, that is

39:46

directly a result of what these people are doing. Parental

39:49

rights have to be the battle

39:51

that we do not give an inch on because

39:54

if they can get it parental rights, then

39:56

they are going to literally use it to try

39:59

to abolish the bylaws. nuclear family,

40:01

which there were sessions about at this conference.

40:05

Right. Well, I actually think that this clip might hit

40:07

home with a lot of parents who watch the show, maybe even

40:10

more than the other ones, because it

40:12

invokes this feeling of panic when

40:15

you think of these radical leftists who

40:17

want to impose evil on your child. And

40:19

right now we at least as parents feel that we have

40:21

a bulwark because we get to make the decisions about our children.

40:24

If we don't want to send them to a public school, we can put them in a private school,

40:26

we can homeschool them. We decide what they watch

40:28

on TV. We decide what they consume on their smartphones.

40:30

We decide who their friends are. We decide what church

40:32

they attend. There's that there's somewhat

40:35

of a security as there should be. And being a parent, knowing

40:37

that you have dominion over your children when they're

40:39

minors. But the idea that leftists

40:42

are I mean, this is the phrase that got me. I have a two and a half year old daughter.

40:45

So I guess as a parent, I'm speaking

40:47

personally, the phrase that got me is

40:49

children's liberation. Children's liberation.

40:51

I mean, not only is that a communist term

40:54

to use the word liberation in that sense, but

40:56

they're actively like, what do they want? Do

40:58

they want parents to still have children

41:00

under our our rooms and

41:03

our homes and just have no decision making power? Do

41:05

they want to actively take children away? Like what's their vision? Oh,

41:08

Liz, you're jumping down the abolish the family

41:10

rabbit hole and abolish the family is probably the most dystopian

41:13

things that socialists want. It's literally written

41:15

into the communist manifesto that they want to

41:17

abolish the biological nuclear family because

41:20

they consider the nuclear family to be the thing

41:22

standing between them and abolishing capitalism.

41:25

And so what socialists want is they

41:27

don't want you to have parental rights at all. They

41:29

want children to be under the collective

41:31

care of the state. There were actually conversations

41:34

at this conference where they were talking about the

41:36

fact that everyone should be a parent to children.

41:39

It's like it's like when Hillary Clinton

41:41

says it takes a village to raise children. Well,

41:43

they quite literally mean that. And there are some socialists.

41:46

I mean, there are books called Full

41:48

Surrogacy Now, Abolish the Biological

41:51

Family that actually get directly to this issue, where

41:54

I think that there are socialists that do want

41:56

to see a world in which children are born

41:58

via surrogacy and distributed

42:00

to families kind of like in The Giver or

42:02

Brave New World or Logan's Run or any

42:05

of those dystopian movies that we've seen,

42:07

those are actually real. I cover them on my

42:09

channel all the time. And in fact, I'm going to

42:11

have a series of clips coming out this week on

42:13

my sub stack from the socialism conference

42:16

that actively shows a pro-abortion

42:18

woman who is also involved in trans

42:21

rights for kids and all sorts of other crazy stuff,

42:24

talking about this explicitly about how their

42:26

stated goal is to get rid of the biological

42:28

family and to create these environments

42:31

where everyone is a parent to children.

42:33

What could possibly go wrong? I

42:37

mean, I can't, I'm

42:39

literally speechless. I mean, oftentimes when we talk about

42:42

what the repercussions or the implications

42:44

of the assault on parental rights, people accuse

42:47

us on the other side, whether this is media figures, whether

42:49

this is elected officials, whether this is leftist

42:51

activists, accuse us of being hyperbolic, like no

42:53

one wants to take away your kids. We just want to make sure that they

42:55

are active members of our democracy, et

42:57

cetera, et cetera, misusing the word democracy

43:00

again, but we can see what they want. They actually want to

43:02

take away our kids. And then they want our children

43:04

to be allowed to be

43:06

engaged in sex work, which is another

43:08

way of saying they want your child to

43:11

be abused by pedophiles. It like,

43:13

it will actually blow your mind. So

43:15

the last clip that I want to show here, if you could get context

43:18

to this, this is a professor from the University

43:20

of Arizona talking about what she

43:22

does through the DEI diversity,

43:24

equity, and inclusion office at

43:26

that university. Who is, who is this first? What's

43:29

her background? Her name is Kristin

43:31

Godfrey. She is the LGBTQIA

43:34

director at the University of Arizona.

43:36

She's responsible for creating all

43:38

sorts of content specifically geared

43:40

towards students at the University of Arizona. And

43:43

she actually is, she's also part of the Tempest collective,

43:45

which is the same collective as Jesse Hagopian, which

43:47

is the radical revolutionary socialist

43:49

collective. She also was involved with

43:52

Maoists at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville,

43:55

before she went to the University of Arizona. So

43:57

she is a hardcore revolutionary

43:59

leftist. And this is her she was getting

44:01

up in the Q&A discussion in one of the

44:03

the panels that I went to Basically asking

44:06

for advice on how to

44:08

get her university to protect her rights to be

44:10

anti-semitic Which was a little weird,

44:12

but that's that's what the context is

44:16

Okay. Well,

44:17

let's let's listen to it if we can if

44:19

we can tolerate it Let's listen to what she's saying because this is happening

44:21

on college campuses

44:29

I

45:00

One of the things is in the room I

45:31

You

45:42

You

45:49

Okay

45:55

Okay, so that one's a little

45:57

bit fuzzy Carlin, but correct me if I'm interpreting

46:00

this, she is asking how

46:03

she can utilize the DEI office

46:05

to protect her anti-Semitism

46:08

that she's teaching to other students on campus. Is that correct?

46:11

Yeah, a little bit. So this

46:13

is, there's so much to break down in this clip. So

46:15

first of all, I mean I think the fact that they,

46:17

so I think she's illustrative of the

46:19

fact that these people try to get themselves

46:21

into positions of institutional power that

46:23

kind of fly under the radar so that

46:25

people don't really know what they're doing every

46:28

day unless they actually are checking in with them.

46:30

And what she's done is she's gotten herself into the position

46:33

of working in the diversity and equity office

46:35

at the University of Arizona taxpayer-funded

46:38

land-grant university to teach students

46:41

a Marxist-based course in

46:43

queer and trans liberation. Anytime

46:46

you hear the term liberation, you're talking

46:48

to a socialist or the term abolition.

46:50

Almost always you're talking to a socialist. And so

46:53

she's actively targeting queer and trans students

46:55

on campus or people who believe they're queer and trans

46:58

to deliver this content through

47:00

the university system. I also found out

47:02

that she wasn't just using the diversity

47:04

office to do it. She was also working within

47:06

the School of Health, so the school that's training doctors

47:09

and nurses and psychiatrists and pharmacists

47:12

out of the University of Arizona are getting

47:14

this content as well. So that's gonna make everyone

47:16

feel great. But bigger picture

47:19

is that, you know, so socialists

47:22

do not like Israel. They do not

47:24

like Israel at all. I mean I know we're all shocked

47:26

based on what we see not bad about Ilhan Omar

47:28

in Congress, but that is pretty indicative

47:30

of what you see at the socialism conference. So what she's

47:32

talking about is that Palestinian students

47:35

on campus were like storing their stuff

47:37

in her office and this allegedly,

47:40

I don't know how truthful this is, made

47:42

the Israeli students mad and

47:44

she said there was violence, which probably just

47:47

means that the Israeli students asked a question

47:49

that she didn't like and she took the side

47:51

of the Palestinian students and then and then

47:53

she was mad that the diversity

47:56

office didn't have her back. And I just think it's

47:58

a little bit,

47:59

it's very

47:59

socialist to go to a conference probably

48:02

paid for by your employer. She

48:04

took a student from the University of Arizona

48:07

to the conference with her, which is

48:09

a little bit suspect in my book, and

48:11

then to complain about your employer

48:14

on the microphone at the conference not protecting

48:16

your right to be anti-Semitic. It was the most

48:18

socialist thing of the entire conference.

48:21

Well, it is. It is. And

48:24

well, fortunately, you caught it on camera. So hopefully her

48:26

employer is aware of this, but it also shows us. I mean, there's

48:28

a DEI office, not only on every college campus,

48:30

but in a growing number of them in high

48:33

schools and on every big

48:35

corporation as a DEI office. I mean, this is in the federal

48:37

government, this is in state governments. This is what

48:39

happens at the DEI office. This is a good place for people

48:41

to begin if they want to conduct

48:44

oversight and actually expose what's happening. So

48:46

you've mentioned a couple of things as the next stage

48:48

of the socialist plan. I mean, you talk about

48:51

critical race theory is going to make a resurgence.

48:53

This assault on parental rights is going to

48:55

become more extreme. What

48:57

else can people expect? What should we watch

48:59

for? I feel oftentimes like

49:02

the conservative movement, I won't even mention the Republican Party

49:04

because I think they do nothing to fight against this.

49:06

But the conservative movement is often playing catch up.

49:09

We often don't anticipate what

49:11

these attacks are going to be until they've already, these

49:13

people have already been embedded in our institutions. They're

49:16

infiltrated. Their curriculum is set.

49:18

They're already at work, you know, trying

49:20

to change our children into revolutionaries. It

49:23

would be nice for a change if we could identify

49:26

what their battle plan is before they've

49:28

actually taken action. You're in

49:30

the midst of this all the time. What are they going to do next?

49:33

Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great question. I want to go back to

49:35

something you just said, though, that people need to look

49:38

into the equity office in their public

49:40

schools. So almost every public school

49:42

district in the country has an equity office

49:44

and the teacher professional development training

49:47

is almost always conducted through the equity

49:49

office. So just go on your public school district website,

49:52

search for equity, you're going to find so much stuff

49:54

that they're doing, you're not even going to know where to start. This

49:56

is something I actually teach parents to learn how to do

49:58

to use publicly available. documentation to

50:01

suss out where the left is infiltrating their school

50:03

district. So that should be task number one, especially

50:06

if you have kids in school. But I would say the biggest

50:08

tip I could give to people is that, and

50:10

for lack of a better term, you need to learn how to speak

50:13

socialist. Because again, these people

50:15

are speaking in a coded language where

50:17

you don't know what they're saying unless

50:20

you know how to speak their language. And this is something

50:22

I do on my YouTube channel every Saturday

50:24

when we sit down and watch socialism content.

50:27

It's kind of like an immersive experience where

50:29

if you go to France, you're going to learn how to speak

50:31

French eventually. If you watch enough socialist content,

50:33

you're going to learn how to speak socialist. And it's

50:35

shocking once you know how to speak socialist

50:38

when you see it show up in the real world. So

50:40

it's something that a member of my community just last

50:43

week said, Karlyna, we had this crazy diversity

50:45

trainer come into the workplace and she started using terms

50:47

like liberation and abolition and struggle

50:50

and I knew she was a socialist because I watched her

50:52

content. And so I think that people

50:54

really do need to make a concerted effort to

50:56

learn how to speak their language because

50:58

language is the common thing that helps us to

51:00

identify them very, very, very quickly.

51:03

Like you said, I think you need to really hold your

51:05

public schools to the fire. Best case scenario

51:08

is honestly get your kids out of public school

51:10

if you can because it's going to be

51:12

very difficult to save the public schools

51:14

with how much they've taken it over. But if you

51:17

can't get your kids out of public school, you need to be there

51:19

for every school board meeting. You need to have all the documentation.

51:22

You need to go on their websites and find what they're

51:24

doing. It is all publicly available information.

51:26

You are entitled to that information. If

51:29

you have questions about how to do FOIA requests,

51:31

I have a class on my website that's available

51:33

for free. It's at activelyunwoke.com.

51:36

You can find that and it'll teach you how to do FOIA

51:38

requests.

51:39

And really just you have to get involved. That's

51:42

the biggest thing because they're not going to relent

51:44

on education. And I think that

51:47

if I were to give some advice to the conservative

51:49

movement, you've got to stop focusing

51:51

so much on books because they know you're

51:53

focusing on books. And so they're going

51:55

into the back door where you're not looking.

51:58

So I understand why the focus is back there. on books,

52:00

I really do, but it's time to move

52:02

to a different strategy where you're looking at curriculum

52:05

and policy documents above the

52:07

books. Well,

52:09

I think this is really insightful because the

52:11

language part is so important. To use

52:13

the example that you gave us earlier, when

52:15

you say socialists use the term whiteness

52:18

or white supremacy, they're actually talking about

52:20

capitalism, they're not talking about race, but

52:23

if we don't recognize

52:25

that the term that they're saying isn't what they're

52:27

actually saying, then we're going to have the wrong argument

52:29

with them. We're actually going to start talking about racial issues

52:31

instead of talking about the economic revolution

52:34

that they're trying to impose on our country. So

52:36

I think that's actually a very, very insightful key

52:40

for a lot of us who are both professionally

52:42

activists in the conservative movement, but

52:44

also people who have become activists

52:46

because their kids are being impacted by this, their parents

52:48

and concerned citizens who don't want our country

52:51

to be taken over. That's great advice. Harlan,

52:53

you have a YouTube channel, you have a sub-stack, you have an

52:55

ex-account, tell everyone where they can find you because

52:57

I know my viewers are going to be obsessed with

52:59

you. They're going to want to follow you immediately. Well,

53:01

I hope they do. I mean, you can find me on my YouTube

53:04

channel. It's just Karlin Borisenko, pop my name

53:06

in there and it'll come right up. I stream every day,

53:08

Monday through Friday and on Saturdays at 6pm

53:10

we do our socialism Saturday. I have a

53:12

sub-stack where I break down the woke left ideology.

53:15

I will break all this down to you in plain English

53:17

and teach you how to see it in the real world. That

53:19

is Karlin, k-a-r-l-y-n

53:21

dot sub-stack dot com. You can follow

53:23

me on x at Dr. Karlin B. I know

53:26

they're all different names, but it's just the way it worked

53:28

out. I do hope to welcome

53:31

new people into the audience and listen.

53:33

Come with an open mind. I'm going to teach you things that

53:35

other people aren't teaching you because a lot

53:37

of people have this wrong. They have the language thing wrong

53:39

and we really need to correct that because

53:42

we cannot defeat them until we understand them.

53:45

That's right. By the way, I'll post a link to your sub-stack

53:48

on all of these channels underneath the episode

53:51

in the description so that people can find that. I'll post it

53:53

on my X account as well. That, of course,

53:55

is formerly known as Twitter. You can find me at Liz underscore

53:57

Wheeler. I'll post it over there so you guys can find it. Karlin,

53:59

thank you for coming. coming on the show. I know you have more of these videos

54:02

still to come. Your investigations are ongoing,

54:04

so we'll have you back soon. Thanks for being

54:06

on the show. Thank you so much for having me.

54:10

All right, guys, make sure that you are subscribed

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54:16

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