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They're guys. They do magic. They are the Magic Guys.

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Oh, baby. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 165 of the Magic Guys,

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where we bring our expertise and knowledge and whimsicalness to answer your

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questions, hang out, and be cool people.

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To my left, I have Nick Kay. Welcome to the show, friends.

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And down below, we've got Doug Kahn. Hey, y'all.

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And I'm Josh Nobito. What's up, everyone? Oh, that's the wrong sound tune.

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Oh, well, we're rolling with it now. I don't know. That was fine.

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That's true. The whimsicalness of the rimshot. The rimshot. Close it out.

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Like a magic trick. If you don't say nothing, they don't know. Just roll with it, Josh.

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Just keep going, man. No one will notice. That's true. Yes, and for everything.

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What's up? What's going on with you, Nick? And we were just in a stream.

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This is our second stream today. We're so productive.

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Luckily, it's because Doug led us on his live. Well, I'm over here trying new

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things. I think that's the key to success. Go in places you've never gone before to mine for gold nuggets and such.

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So thank you for joining me on the impromptu vertical live stream.

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We did it. How interesting. For those listening, YouTube offers vertical format

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live streaming now, And we were able to do it in this StreamYard software studio.

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So you can have a professional live stream vertical. That opens up a lot of possibilities.

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I messed up the second stack. I should have had this all nicely stacked there.

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But the potential is strong.

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And even more so, maybe for two people, it's more reasonable.

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And you do like, it's almost an Amigo situation if you want to perform some magic that way.

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And like i was saying pre-show the

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algorithms loving these vertical streams my

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numbers are double and i bet if it's two people doing

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magic it's going to be even higher than that yeah you

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got it i think i was just saying ultimately it's like it's all with the intention

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of just bringing the best possible experience we can to you guys the listeners

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and speaking of the listeners let's have a little hey hey to everyone in the

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chat we have randall tim Tim, Gut Buster Mike, Chris,

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we have Johnny Prentice, Bob Possible,

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our good friend, the Christian magician, Scotty P.

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Drago Tear, you sent in some amazing questions last week. Good to see you guys all here.

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Yeah, nice. It's a good group of magi misfits.

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It's been a pleasure getting to know a lot of these people personally on the Discord and such.

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How wild is Discord? You know, we used to use it in the beginning at the Magic Guys.

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Stopped for a while because, you know, we're older and I'm older and don't use

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Discord. Although I can't say that because Doug is a beast with it.

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I still feel online and don't even understand the full potential of this amazing

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platform. It's crazy out there on the Discord.

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Even in just the last month of us using it, you know, is growing this community so much more.

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And the link to it is in the description if you're interested.

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But it's basically a place we can chat and we have jam sessions in there.

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Fellow magic guys can just go in there at any point and start their own jams, I believe.

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And it's a whole world of fun. But speaking of which, you guys,

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I put a call out in the Discord that send us in some, you know,

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some voice messages of what you're up to. And I love it. every week. People are sending them in now more and more. It's beautiful.

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And this first one comes from Thomas Hadsen again from Sydney, fellow Sydney boy.

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Let's see what Thomas has for us today.

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Hey guys, Thomas from Sydney here. Now my question really briefly for you this

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morning is, how do we feel when spectators touch the magicians during performances?

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Do you guys feel awkward? How How do we get out of that situation?

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Anyway, thank you, guys. Have a wonderful day. Great question,

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Thomas. And you always ask great questions. So thank you so much for sending that through.

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People will touch. They get that. They kind of forget that we're people,

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the audience. You know what I mean? I try to treat it with humor. And what I say politely to folks is I'll go,

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oh, magicians, we're a little like strippers. Looky, no touchy.

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That's a good one. We are like strippers actually. We make like,

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you know, great money in a very short amount of time when we're there.

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I have spent the better part of the better part of 30 years has been spent developing

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the self-defense you see before you for such touching the gut,

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the balding, you know, the scarred face, no problem.

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I gotta tell you, my friends, Chris and Mike who do the naked magician show,

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get it. The worst problems.

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They do a meet and greet where people come and get photos while they're naked.

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They're just literally holding, they're literally just holding a top hat over their junk.

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And by the end of their night, by the end of the photos, their butts are so

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red from women, smacking them to get the photo with them. It's hilarious.

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Man. That's an energy suck too. I bet they go home and just melt after a night like that.

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Given all that energy out and naked.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they, you know, I'm sure in the early days they would use

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that to their advantage though. Like they wouldn't go home.

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Oh yeah. They're not going home alone. Disappointed.

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But certainly, you know, once, once their show matured and it was more of a

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like production show and like serious, then it probably became a little bit more.

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Oh gosh, here we go again. Let me, let me warm up the cheeks.

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But in all seriousness. Is that show coming back to a stage? The naked magicians.

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Yeah. Yeah. Things are in works for them and it, but it might not be actually

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them, but they are still producing that show for sure, but one of the fellows

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works with you in the theater, correct? That's right. Yeah. Christopher Wayne. And it's, it's so funny because you can

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tell the people that come to our show that,

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recognize him from the Naked Magicians. And that's always funny because they're

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always not, they're not always with company that they can tell,

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oh yeah, I've seen him naked doing magic because they're there with their family or whatever.

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It's quite funny. In all seriousness, for me, corporate gigs,

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I don't get like touched too much, but it's always the sleeves.

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It's always is the, they grab, they do a quick bicep squeeze and they do like

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a, this and yeah, my quick line is,

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which I'm sure a million people use is, Hey, touching costs extra,

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but, and then I move on, you know, and it gets a laugh and, and then every now

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and then someone would be like, Oh, we'll pay. I'm like, see me after, you know, just a quick, witted get. What a great line,

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Josh Norbito with the professional wit.

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Love it. Yeah. So essentially it just plays out like I'm, you know, the cards vanished.

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Like, Oh, where'd it go? I'm like, Hey, touching costs extra,

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but it's okay. And then we move on and then they laugh and now we're back into swing of things. Yeah.

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What, what is, is that a, is that a problem with busking?

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Like, I know we talked about heckling last week, but people may be grabbing

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props would be just as annoying. Yeah, for sure. That, you know, and there's the poorly minded children who just

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have no social grace at all that will grab your crap.

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It always amazes me that the parents don't reel

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them in they're just like well there goes billy digging through the

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magician's crap there you go you're like you're not

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going to stop your kid from grabbing my no okay

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then that's what yeah that's what the wands for

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whack that is pretty i love that line where it's like it's not a wand it's a

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stick i'm not a fairy and you so you know my line is this i don't play with

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your stuff you know if it's a kid like that i'd be like hey billy i don't play

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with your stuff you know i try and keep it on their level if it's a youngsters.

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There's my line yeah so i guess i

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guess the takeaway from this is that like treat it with kindness and also

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appreciate a lot of the audiences for the most part always

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need to be educated a lot of people don't know how to experience magic

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or experience theater or anything of that nature so there's

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nothing wrong with talking people how they need

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to be at you know and and and walk them through this

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process of just sort of like looky no touchy or

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hey you know and if they you know like okay okay please please stop

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touching honestly like go go away like even if

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there's nothing wrong with saying like i don't like being touched could you just could you

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not please like you you still have politely and

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then sort of go like not to the point like touch me again i'll cut you like

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you're not going to do that but just there's nothing wrong with educating your

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audience and like i don't know if what you think you know about like theater

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or what you you think about entertainment but like you need to not touch please

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like it's okay to take it to that place and do a trick and ask people to say like oh and then you clap.

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You know, cause I, I, I've got a new line now that I'm doing a lot where I'm

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going like, was your car, the four hearts? Yes. You're going to clap.

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Oh. And they start clapping, you know, like it's cause we've got four hours ago. Yeah.

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And they just dumbstruck, but like you want this reaction. So the,

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the takeaway is educate them and walk them through how they need to behave.

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What about this one? Cause I've had this one and I'm sure you guys have too

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guessing. Cause I've had it inebriated women of age.

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So yeah they're they're maybe the more handsier

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ones yeah yeah yeah the

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mature and motivated are a little bit more handsier and

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yeah yeah good thing you go home with the red butt yeah there's nothing wrong

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with saying to them that you know like hey just i'm glad we're all having a

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great time but politely i need you guys to do this this this as in like don't

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touch me or or please behave yourselves, or I need you to stay in your seats.

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Whatever behavior needs to be corrected, say, I need you to insert corrective

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behavior, or we're going to need to end this interaction.

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Yeah, it gets a little dicey. I hope that helps.

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Good question, though. Good question. Next one we have is from our listener, Seth.

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And I did pre-listen to this. This is partly advice, partly story.

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Let's listen. Hope y'all are doing well. Well, today I've got part gig story,

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part what would you do, I guess.

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I'm going to preface this by saying I keep BWAVE in my wallet set for the Red Jacks.

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Okay, so I was doing a variety show. There's this local variety show where they

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have featured acts, and in between the featured acts, there's like open stage opportunity.

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So I went in to do the open stage stuff, decided to do Invisible Deck.

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The card we eventually landed on was the Jack of Hearts, so I did that reveal.

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And then I was thinking, would it be redundant if I also pulled wave out and

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showed the jack of hearts that way too? Or would that be like even more of a mind blowing situation?

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I decided not to go for it, but I'm wondering if I missed out on an opportunity there. Yeah.

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And also they messaged me afterwards and I'm going to be a featured act this

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week. So that's exciting too. But anyway, cheers.

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Snuck in that little win there. That's why you get out there and get those reps

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in man. And then pretty soon people like you.

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Yeah. Congratulations on winning. That's awesome, man. And that's the main thing. And my, my, my outlook on that

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is with the brainwave thing, the extra reveal, you just got to try it.

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Like we can say all day, what we think the layman will enjoy,

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but I'm often surprised what they enjoy. Sometimes it is the kicker that I wouldn't have thought even makes sense,

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but they do enjoy, or maybe it would have dragged on a little bit.

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I think personally, I think it's a case of you have to actually try it and see if it works.

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So just wait until probably take 10 years for another person to name Jack of

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Hearts when you also have Brainwave in your pocket.

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But yeah, that's my thought. But I think also like a reveal should always get bigger and bigger.

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Like you can't go from a big reveal to a smaller reveal straight after it, I guess is the thing.

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Unless you're David Copperfield. If you're David Copperfield,

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you could do B wave after your show. I've told this story where after the show he's doing B wave.

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I've done lottery predictions on license plates. I've sent you home with a poster

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of the story of your wildest dreams.

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And, you know, I predicted everyone's show experience in an email.

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But when you come see me backstage, it's a one in four.

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It's anti-climactic, Dave. We love you, but I'm going to call you out next time I see you.

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Did I ever get that backstage experience again? Yeah.

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Look, you know, that's the thing is the

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reason why these sort of variety nights and stuff exists is

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because they do give us opportunities to actually try things

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and to fool around and see how far we can push the envelope

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i like the idea of sort of revealing things like

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compounding in such a like a ridiculous way you

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know like i have a i have this routine which i

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retired about a couple years ago now but it was

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like this dick man routine where like it's it's

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a mixture of it's a mixture of confab and this and

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that and the compounds and compounds to the point where it's like not only did

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i predict the correct color match coloring in prediction

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and the confab i also had a comic book that

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predicted everything correctly and not only that i'm wearing the superhero outfit

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like i just keep compounding it again and again again again again so like i

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i like those they're fun for a stage show but give yourself permission to give

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it a try because it's not an awful idea.

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So just, yeah, give yourself permission to give it a, give it a try.

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I thankfully have a lot of outlets here in this part of town where we try things

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all the time and we get feedback from,

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from like professional theater folk who go like, Oh, I like this or maybe mind

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your language here, or maybe say it this way or whatever it might be. So give it a try.

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Here's how I've been doing the prediction. I just put this in my bag last week.

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So you hold up one card and you say, name any card, Nick K, you can do this.

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The four of hearts i do the one we did pre-show.

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The ace of spades i saw that line from

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jb evans no no there it is four hearts it's right there yeah to the three so

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this is an effect that builds suspense gets a little drama has a little blow

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off and now we go to the b wave or the the brain wave and bring it home with something like that.

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This is also, there's also a great way to get someone to name a card,

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which can be a sticky moment in a situation. Sometimes people don't like saying cards, you know, but if you commit yourself

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with one, you know, when they name it, boom.

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Yeah, totally. Yeah. I'll, I'll, um, I'll share a little thing I do is when

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I was learning stack work, I used to have trouble getting to the seven of hearts.

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It was in a, just a weird position. position so what i

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would do in case someone names it at a

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gig is i would just take a card seven of

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hearts i would tear off the indice part and i would put it

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behind the lapel pin of my jacket so when you

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open so i have a like a jacket so

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wait so i have a pin in my jacket spade but if

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i flip it over you can see the other side of

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it and i would have the seven of hearts there so i'm doing

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an effect with the audience is holding the deck but if

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they say seven of hearts i just started going

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that's so interesting because that's also my favorite

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card so much so that i always keep it with me and i

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show it effect over they freak out like i've just done the best thing ever because

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they're none the wiser but by just having it there in case kind of like how

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you just so happen to have the b wave got me out of a lot of sticky situations

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when i was still learning how to work with this particular effect.

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So sometimes you can do that. Just be bold because being bold is where the real

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magic can happen, where stuff will happen that you couldn't actually plan to have happen.

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And being bold is even better. Yeah.

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I don't know. I'm over here thinking you could come out up with a dozen outs around your body. Yeah.

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Equivoke to the high cards. And then now it's any high card.

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Oh, you name that one. Oh, you name that one. Oh, you name that one.

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It's on my glasses. Oh, it's on my watch. It's in my shoe.

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It's in my fly. It's in my pocket, in my wallet, you know? Yep.

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And then you have a little crib sheet. So when they name the card, you're like, oh yeah, it's going to be here.

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Well, didn't Penn and Teller do that? the beach, they had 52 reveals set up

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around the beach. Oh yeah. I love that.

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Yeah. And it works, it works, but so that's something I did anyway.

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So that if, if, if that happened, then I would act like that is the outcome that I was planning for.

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And it gets the, the, it gets the reaction, gets the reaction.

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Thomas Conger, Tommy, we got you here with a speak pipe, my friend.

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Let's see what he's got. Our, our brilliant painting artist. Let's check it out.

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Hey, what's up the magic guys? Long time listener.

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First time caller. Just kidding. I have a question for you guys. This is Thomas Conger.

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I'm planning a trip to Vegas possibly in November. And I'd like to do a trick

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where I would leave like a card somewhere in their house or their studio, wherever we meet at.

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And then when I come back to Cleveland months later or whatever,

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I'll go live on stream with them and I'll perform a trick. and the trick will

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end up, you know, in their house a month later or whatever.

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I was wondering what type of trick that is easy to do that I could possibly

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knock out of the park easily when I do this because this will be my first time

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trying to pull something like this off. So thank you. I appreciate you guys. You guys are awesome. The community is awesome.

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And I hope to produce magic and entertain you guys with what I can do sometime

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in the near future. I'm just working with the kinks of, you know,

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filming and getting a better camera and better lighting and working with all that cool stuff.

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But anyways, thank you, guys. I'm out of here.

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I love it, man. I love it. I love it. All right. I'm sure we all got notes on

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here. So let's go with you first, Nick. Okay. So firstly, thanks for sending through the question. We hung out on the

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discord last week. Super cool guy, Thomas. Thanks for sending that through.

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Now, here's the thing. I would, if they have books, if they have books,

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I would put it in between the pages of a book and remember where I put that

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page 20 or whatever it might be. And then I would try and do an effect like if I was going to do it on a video

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call afterwards or something of that nature, I'd say like I've got something I'm working on it's kind of gnarly let's try

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something fun and then you can like,

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do just a series of forces that lead them down the garden path to choose the

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book so it could be the type of thing where it's like I have my bookshelf here

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I just want you to say stop and they go stop you're right here and you just

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point and you go boom this is the little women you have this book I do have this book that's really cool let's just try something fun.

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I placed a card in here, or you can say like, now let's choose a card.

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They say, stop. I'm going to leave it here on my thing. And then I go like,

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I need two more cards now. Then you force like two tens.

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And it's like, we've add these together. What do we get? 20.

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Terrific. So we have 20 and this.

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So go to page 20 of your book, see what you find, you know, and then it's in there.

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Or you could put it in your book, give it a snap, and then show it's gone.

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Like it's totally vanished from the book. And then go, now look inside your book.

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There's a few ways you can dissect this. I want to do this.

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I want to have a page from their book vanish and appear in my house.

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So now grab a book off your shelf, pick a number, and now that page is in my

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house. Oh, the Pegasus page plot.

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Yes, the Pegasus page. page from holy now

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we're talking something from their house go back

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yeah doug holy and then maybe you

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go both ways i'm curious of your thoughts on the card

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trick josh because i think you do the method i'm thinking of do you have an

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idea for the card trick which card trick of what what plot are we talking about

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like if you preset a card to be revealed like what would be the avenue to take

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to for the reveal gotcha gotcha so thomas mentioned they have lots of comic books.

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So def I love where Nick was going with that, but you could do a one card where

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you sign it and maybe write note on it.

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Like, it's like your sign, like you sign it and then you like,

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you know, enjoy the card or something and you take a photo of it.

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So you remember how to exactly duplicate that again, when you're doing the live

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stream, find somewhere that's yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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Find somewhere it could live and place it there.

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Like find somewhere that isn't accessed a lot. Like, I don't know,

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on top of a statue or, or, or bookcase or something, or you have to be a little

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bit creative, but behind the fridge, I don't know, behind the wall of the fridge.

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So you find the place, but then, yeah, so you can be on stream,

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do a trick with them. And then before you give it to it, be like,

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ah, you know what? You can have this. Let me sign it for you.

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I'm going to post it to you. Write, write a note and then actually,

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you know, what would be better? Yeah. that could be cool or if you plan on filming this

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right and you're saying like we're gonna i'm

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gonna try to capture this on on phone and then you can

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go like you just walk around the house i go when i was at your place you know

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we had really good lighting this place in your study can

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you go sit in your study for a sec perfect and like yeah go

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up against that picture frame that's perfect and then

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you lead them and then you start the recording do the

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whole stick you can have a something or

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other do your vanish right and then you

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can go look at the picture frame behind you and they can look behind the picture

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frame pull one card out and show yeah or you could if you want it to be really

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unseen with the picture frame idea just do angle zero so you're only hiding

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one quarter of a piece that was the idea i had this is what i was waiting for

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someone else to to say now I don't have to say my idea. Yeah.

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Cause then you can be on the stream, have it vanish and then go like,

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say, stop even, oh, what am I pointing to? They are the picture. Okay.

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You'd probably do like a quarter of the card versus just the little bit.

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So make it a little bigger so they could bring it up to the screen and verify.

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Yeah. And one last idea, only because I know Thomas is doing a lot of stuff

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with Rubik's cube right now, Rubik's cubes right now, you could take them a

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Rubik's cube in bottle, but you could have one made Cuban bottle with a,

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sequence that you know how to replicate, give it to them as a gift.

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And then on the, on the stream, you could do some Rubik's cube work and And

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then reveal that you've matched the cube that they have in their house as well. Could be something.

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Or not. And maybe, maybe the corner is inside the cube. They open it up. Yeah.

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Smash the bottle. Quick, quick smash it. You could peel that middle one off,

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right? Isn't that the thing? Yeah. Yeah. True. Or another easy thing is you could gift them a deck of cards

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and there's a good chance they're not going to use it like until you're on the stream anyway.

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Way so you could have something ready to go some kind of routine do as i do

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or something like that or yeah you can cut if you can do something to the to the box to the card.

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You keep it in its factory seals card and put the corner in between the split

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card and it's then you force this one and you have them rip the card in half

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and inside there is a an index of another card? What?

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That's an effect I do, and it's the best idea. It's so easy to do,

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because when you split the card, you don't have to split it all the way.

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You just split it enough to put the card in and split it up again.

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It matches together perfectly every time, because when you do a full split and

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try to align it again, it's just laborious.

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Yeah, baby. Good stuff. I like what's happening.

24:32

I like the Pegasus page idea. I like the,

24:35

Yeah, angle zero, I like the book, and I like, because John Armstrong,

24:41

the reason I mentioned the forged writing,

24:44

John Armstrong does a really cool effect of a sign, he does a card under spectator's

24:49

watch, but then when the effect's over, they go back to the audience,

24:53

he goes, you know what, you can keep this, but let me sign it for you,

24:55

and then he vanishes it again, and then he goes, check under your watch again, and now it's there and signed,

25:01

but doing that from here to the end.

25:05

Colorado did he say or wherever to vegas that's pretty

25:08

dope also don't go in november go in august

25:11

because that's when we're going to be at magic wife yeah well

25:17

the cool thing is thomas that you got a lot of time to work on it we

25:20

do have our community you can lean upon we have our post and

25:23

roast you can talk with us jam with us i'm sure we'll

25:26

talk about this a whole bunch more times before you actually execute it

25:28

and so please like share your thoughts we can hang out

25:31

in discord called we're more than happy to help this i think

25:34

this is going to be a mini story of the magic guys that we follow because

25:38

now we're all like we're all i'm invested now and i

25:40

think we're all going to be invested leading up until this

25:43

point you're gonna

25:46

have to do it but great question thanks for sending it through domus heck

25:50

yeah let's switch gears a little bit because the title

25:52

and thumbnail of this episode was quite funny we

25:56

called it nick please explain i'm scrolling on facebook i

25:59

come across some very funny looking pictures of nick and i'm

26:02

like bro what kind of gigs are you

26:05

getting and you know is this what a professional magician in melbourne

26:07

looks like but of course it's not his everyday type

26:10

of events but yeah do we just show them some footage first or do we let me preface

26:17

this before we begin so i have been performing in a series of shows past week

26:22

called magic sports and effectively what this is it's whose line is it anyway way, but with magic.

26:29

And so we play a series of games for our audience in which we have a whole bunch

26:35

of theater sports-based challenges.

26:38

And so you would have seen, if you looked at the socials surrounding the laneway

26:45

theater where we performed these shows, myself and some other amazing performers

26:50

in really interesting, comparable situations.

26:53

So that's the context of it. So So it's effectively doing improv magic while

27:00

doing improv theater mixed together. So,

27:06

We'll give it more context when we sort of scope out this next bit of footage,

27:09

but that's the base we have to go up. Let's have a look.

27:13

We'll start with a short clip. Yeah, we'll start with this short clip.

27:15

So this just looks, this Nick just looks like a bad-ass doing this,

27:18

but let me just play this and then Nick can explain what's going on.

27:24

Okay. Not that one. That one.

27:33

You know, the radiation is quite high in Melbourne. And so that's actually a

27:37

pretty normal thing to wear those alfoil hats.

27:39

Standard EDC headwear.

27:42

For those listening, what you just saw was me doing a particular type of card

27:46

trick in which my entire face was wrapped up in tinfoil.

27:49

And that was one of the challenges of this particular effect that we had to do.

27:53

Now, in this game, we were challenged to do, it was a duet.

27:58

So I had to perform it alongside another magician, which I was performing alongside

28:01

a good friend, Josh Staley. And we had to do this routine come up

28:06

with a routine that we could do together but both do it blindfolded

28:10

and so we ended up doing a multiple card select

28:13

but entirely yeah it's tough isn't it josh yeah but entirely blindfolded and

28:19

so what we did was we we had four selections which all happened to be the four

28:24

aces they were then put back in the deck shuffled and then we found those those cards.

28:31

So that was quite challenging to do that.

28:36

So entirely blindfolded. I mean, hand to God, I couldn't see a single thing

28:42

or barely breathe out of that mask because they shoved the tinfoil up my nostrils.

28:46

And so what we did was we had the selections done and then And we went taking

28:53

turn on finding each selection for the effect.

28:59

But it's just one of those great challenges. In fact, one of the nights we had

29:02

to do a card trick together, both Josh and I, but I was the right hand and he was the left hand.

29:08

And so we had to perform with our arms around each other, doing a riffle shuffle

29:13

where he was the left and I was the right. And we had to try and do like an entire trick.

29:18

So it's one of the fun games we played. so it's really humbling man like you

29:23

might think you're a great act and all but do magic sports and you're like this

29:26

is very humbling like this is quite a challenge.

29:30

How many Magi are on hand for this event? So there is three of us.

29:35

Depending on each night, we circulate through each magician.

29:38

I was performing, I think in the next clip you'll see, alongside one of the

29:42

greatest guys in Melbourne, I think, who's Liam Jumpitz, or as we call him, LJ.

29:46

And this is all basically created and mediated by the amazing Tim Ellis,

29:51

who has, yeah, who's an amazing creator and basically created the Magic Sports game.

29:58

Game and if you guys ever want to scope it out there is like

30:01

we have some documentation on it and you can actually see what the games

30:04

are like extremely challenging stuff he's been

30:07

doing this for a while now that you mentioned tim's name

30:10

and magic sports i can recall him doing this at

30:12

conventions i guess in the u.s probably 20 years

30:15

ago right is it that yeah yeah it's

30:19

been around a very long time so for example one of the one of the games that

30:22

kind of sparked this is a game called drunk tech and what it

30:25

was based around is if you have a routine that

30:28

you perform to music okay as like

30:30

just purely a music act so think of something beautiful like a like

30:33

a like a hoonjin kim beautiful car

30:36

manipulation which is done to the music and perfectly choreographed then all

30:41

of a sudden you go do the very same act but it's a totally different song and

30:45

now you've got to perform your act to a song you either don't even know or never

30:51

never rehearsed to and you've You've got to do it on the spot with that level of creativity.

30:55

So it's quite fun to do that.

30:58

And that was from Adelaide, The Unusualist.

31:03

What's his name? Oh, Raymond Crowe. Raymond Crowe, yeah.

31:06

So that happened with Raymond Crowe because back in the day, we didn't have CDs and MP3 plays. We had these little cassette tapes.

31:12

And what had happened was Raymond Crowe had done his act and they did the rehearsal.

31:18

But the tech failed to rewind the tape. And as a result, he had to perform the

31:23

very same act to the next song on the tape.

31:27

And that's where drunk was born out of. Yikes. And as a true professional, you keep going. Yeah.

31:34

So this, so let's play the next, let's play the next clip. It's I haven't watched

31:38

it's entirety, but it's a vertical video.

31:41

So you'll still see us in the background, but we'll be muted,

31:44

but I'll leave Nick to decide when to stop the video.

31:48

But so I, we won't play any context. Just know that whatever's happening is

31:53

like improv in the moment. I guess that's the best way to lead into it. Here we go. They're already two

31:58

bags or something, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

32:01

Yeah. Oh, they're lovely. They're lovely, aren't they? I am.

32:04

They're good. They're good. Oh, good. On my lips, they burn more.

32:09

Do you want a drink? One fluffy bunny. Do you want a drink?

32:16

Nothing went in. Nothing went in. Wow, that's lovely. Is that even on? That's showing eyes. Hang on.

32:24

Oh, look at that. My eyes have been cured.

32:27

Would you like a chip? Oh, thank you. Wonderful. Well, you don't have to buy

32:31

more. They've been there. That's spicy, man.

32:40

So what's happening in this effect, guys, is there is this enormous jacket that's

32:44

effectively like four or five sizes too big.

32:47

And what's happening is I'm inside it, but I can't use my arms.

32:51

There is another magician behind me with his arms going through the sleeves

32:57

and performing the effect. And there's a whole bunch of games we play with this.

33:01

In this game, it was called Magic Shop. And I'm basically the Magic Shop owner.

33:06

There was a box full of like random props and then

33:10

tim alice would come in and he would

33:12

say oh what kind of amazing new products do you have and the

33:15

box is just filled with junk like just weird stuff that

33:18

i had to like make up with magic on the spot you know what

33:21

i mean so i'm doing so i'm i'm the voice of this situation

33:24

but behind me is lj with his arms through

33:27

the jacket sleeves performing all the magic and so we're

33:30

working as a team but i'm the one communicating it all what made

33:33

this even more difficult is that tim went out before

33:36

the show and bought these blisteringly hot

33:39

spicy chips i was wondering

33:42

if those were the spicy cheetos they were the spicy ass cheetos and so during

33:48

the whole routine he's shoveling these spicy chips into my mouth while i'm trying

33:54

to perform and be funny and be entertaining all at the same time so it's like

33:59

like one of the really fun creative bits that you do in this.

34:03

So it's a really fun show to be a part of. In fact, one of our listeners,

34:07

Rob was at the show who was kind enough to take all this, all this video.

34:11

Thank you so much for doing that, Rob. We appreciate you.

34:13

He basically just hit me up and said, I had to fly in last minute.

34:16

Is there anything cool going on? And I said, come around.

34:18

So I got him tickets to the show and he, and he scoped it out.

34:21

But one of the most fun things that we do is before the show,

34:24

when the show is actually beginning and we, and what we we do is we have a bucket, a giant bucket.

34:28

And we tell the audience, you can dump items in there.

34:32

And at the end of the show, we're going to need to create a whole new magic

34:36

trick with anything you dump in there. So we did this for every night, but there's one night in particular that was really funny.

34:41

On the last night, we're not allowed to look in the bucket, but three of us

34:45

have to reach in, grab something. And whatever we grab is what we got to perform with. And the last night we We

34:51

had eyebrow cutters, which are tiny little scissors with a comb on them that

34:56

you use to trim the length of your eyebrows. As well as that, there was like the stick of an ice cream, of a Magnum ice cream.

35:04

You know what I'm talking about? Just like a little kind of stick. And then there was also a slap bracelet. Like, you know those stupid things? Sure.

35:12

And then you slap them on your arm and they go, and they snap around your arm?

35:15

Yep. So we had those three items and we had to come up with a routine using those three items.

35:22

So what we came up with was we decided to use the scissors to cut stuff.

35:29

Okay, the scissors, they cut, they do all kinds of stuff. Okay, cool. Let's do a routine where we use a piece of rope to emulate someone's hair.

35:35

And we'd say, all these are beauty products. They're all beauty products. What if you accidentally ever cut your hair and

35:40

wished, oh, I wish I didn't cut it. How could I repair it? And the idea was, is that we cut a piece of rope emulating hair.

35:46

I use the stick like this hair repair cream and I made this cup and I wrote

35:50

hair repair on it, you know, and I just pretend to take out some stuff and then repair the rope.

35:55

And then we did a cut and restored rope based around this whole hair repair idea.

35:59

And then outside of that, we had the slap bracelet. And I was like,

36:02

this isn't a slap bracelet. It's an amazing piece of waxing technology and then

36:07

what i did was i had this slap bracelet and i just sort of

36:09

went around my body like up and down my arms

36:12

and my legs and i was like whenever you're ready just say stop and you go stop

36:16

i go right there and i slap it onto my leg through my pants and then leaving

36:20

this thing in place i pull my pant leg up actually i can show you this it's

36:25

ridiculous i pull my pant leg up and then if you look closely there is you're a sick man nick k,

36:34

there is no hair where the slap band was nice and so using a timing force and

36:41

a slap bracelet i had an exacto knife backstage and i was just trimming my leg hair.

36:48

Weirdo but tell me that's not genius it is genius actually.

36:55

And then the last effect which was really really great idea from from from josh

36:59

was was, you know, the premise was kind of like, have you ever seen someone

37:03

from across the room with like a hair hanging out their nose, just wishing you could cut it?

37:06

Well, this is an amazing piece of technology in which you can actually do that.

37:10

And we'll show you how it's done. So we had somebody hold a piece of paper and

37:13

they're holding a piece of paper, right? And they fold it up and it goes in their hand.

37:16

And then we took the stick from the Magnum and we held it in front of their face.

37:23

And we sort of did this. I want you to imagine that this whole thing is complete,

37:27

like right about here and we need to imagine what flavor this would be on the

37:31

stick can you see a flavor and they go yes i can see a flavor that's the hint

37:35

the method there you can see a flavor wonderful and then that went away and

37:39

it was like you have a flavor in mind terrific what's close and then we're just

37:43

snapping like from afar like this you know like snap snap snap snap snap,

37:47

anyway they go like what flavor did you see in your mind he goes oreo and i

37:50

go wonderful open the piece of paper he opens a piece of paper and all these

37:53

bits fall out of it and and carved into that piece of paper spelt Oreo. Oh, that's cool.

37:59

And this is stuff we're making up on the spot. Let me be clear about that.

38:05

That's like the hardest thing to do really in magic is create effect.

38:09

You know, especially when you started this story, I thought it'd be like magic

38:13

props in a box. But when you start taking totally rando.

38:18

That's how you end up in the dressing room, shaving your leg with an exacto

38:23

knife, you know, you get that mind freak moment.

38:29

Maybe think of Nate Cranzo's moving tan line. You ever see this trick where Nate takes a tan line?

38:34

Great trick. yeah it's a good one yeah yeah i

38:38

don't know why more magicians don't do it when they go on vacation and just

38:40

where they watch a bit higher like it's such a funny idea but it's it's just

38:46

one of those creative things that it's so difficult to do we've done magic routines

38:51

where we've had to like break out in a song or you know like there was one time

38:55

i had to do a magic trick to singing to hallelujah.

39:01

Was it like was it when you were in a band is that

39:04

when it happened oh that's a good call i did used to be in a

39:07

band that was it but so and

39:12

i had i don't remember the lyrics because i made it up on

39:14

the spot but i did this whole bit where instead

39:18

of saying like hallelujah i was like

39:21

i'm gonna fool you i'm gonna

39:24

fool you and and i did this whole thing where

39:26

like a cat ended up in my sock or whatever i made up on the spot but

39:29

it was just one of those things that like it's it's

39:33

so crazy to be open to that but there's there's a

39:36

lot of beauty in it like our good friend don chambers who's performed

39:39

in agt and done you know broadway shows

39:42

and so forth and and has an amazing fringe show which

39:46

i implore you if you haven't seen it it's one of the craziest bits of magic

39:48

you've ever seen there's routines that were

39:51

born out of that like born out

39:54

of doing the magic sports and so

39:57

it sounds like have you seen this wizard wars

40:00

this was on television like they

40:04

stole tim's idea and made a show out of it yeah i

40:07

don't understand why that's 10 bitch about that is he but he's all disgruntled

40:10

they stole my idea put it on tim never

40:15

says that which is so upsetting because I see his

40:18

stuff being stolen all the time and he never

40:21

he never gets bitter about it he's just always he's

40:25

so pure of heart when it comes to magic in fact we should

40:28

I might invite him on the show if it's cool with you guys but he's just.

40:31

Maybe closer to the Melbourne Magic Festival because Tim Ellis.

40:33

Is not only an amazing magician and the creator of magic sports he's.

40:36

Also the director of the Melbourne Magic Festival so

40:40

I might ask him to be part of the show leading up.

40:42

To it but it's it's a brilliant brilliant man and he's just so happy to see

40:49

his magic ideas propagate forward and the thing is i'll talk about things that

40:53

i'm kind of struggling on and tim will just spit out like brilliant ideas and

40:58

i would say to him he's a fizzum award-winning magician is that correct.

41:03

Yeah, so he was the first Australian to take home a FISM. I believe he got second.

41:08

Okay. He was the first Australian.

41:11

The next one was just at the last FISM in which Simon Coronel ended up taking

41:15

out the MicroMagic, which we're extremely proud of him for. He's a brilliant, brilliant dude.

41:21

But Tim is just one of those guys who propagates magic forward in so many facets.

41:26

Tim not only does that, he creates these environments where we can – like the

41:30

magicians at work thing that I made mentioned quite a few times where once a

41:33

month we get together, we go to the art center, we perform for audiences and

41:37

they give us feedback on our act. Like Tim mediated all that. He created all that. And I'm so thankful for a man

41:44

because like, I would hate to think of a world with Tim, not in it.

41:48

Like I I'm terrified to think of what will happen to the Melbourne magic scene.

41:52

Right. The day he doesn't, it is so important for

41:55

a locale to have a strong professional with wisdom them

41:58

and willing to share that stuff it will make or

42:01

break your magic scene in any given locale i know

42:04

across the united states there's some amazing uh

42:07

large metropolises with great magic clubs and

42:11

then you go to another place like new orleans is struggling right now because

42:14

there isn't someone that's really you know not just willing to hold it down

42:20

but also reach out to the youth and foster that community and ingratiate you

42:24

know the new blood yeah a lot of work

42:28

absolutely and for reference the laneway theater is in tim's home like it is

42:33

interesting so tim has an amazing home firstly and anyone has experienced it

42:40

like when you first arrive it's very it's down it's down a laneway which is

42:44

why it's called the laneway theater. It's very well hidden when you find it it's

42:48

kind of exciting you but you're buzzed in you

42:51

walk walk through a graveyard it's in his house but

42:54

it's a graveyard and you go through you walk through a coffin to then enter

42:59

the theater and it's it's amazing theater in his house it's part of the house

43:06

or separate correct i mean you're welcome to look up the laneway theater and

43:09

pop it up on the screen but effectively what it what it what it is is this was tim's rehearsal space,

43:15

and what had happened was tim's a big movie buff and what was happening was

43:20

one of the local musical theaters, cinema, movie theaters was having a makeover

43:25

and they were getting rid of all the chairs there.

43:28

So he took it upon himself to get like 50 chairs and then just brought them all to his home.

43:34

And then he was like, I need some help. I'm like, what do you need,

43:37

dude? And he's like, I'm putting a theater in my home. And so he built these tiered seats, which you'll be able to see.

43:42

So that's the graveyard at the very top of the screen for those who are watching on the YouTube.

43:46

And of course, if you are listening, we'll talk you through it, but.

43:51

Basically built a tiered seating situation put in really comfortable high back chairs,

43:57

which are from the movie theater so you're

44:00

super comfy they got a cup holder and everything and you

44:03

can just sit there and enjoy beautiful bits of magic and that is it like

44:06

that is his oh there's me yeah that's

44:10

his situation there and so it's it's a

44:13

really really really beautiful thing to be a part of so about

44:17

50 seats you say yeah yeah it's

44:20

about part it would seem like parking would be a bit cumbersome for

44:23

this no not at all i mean because it's basically almost it's just just out of

44:28

10 as far as its location within melbourne it's a little place called north

44:31

good and it's effectively suburbia so there's no restriction to parking and

44:36

as well as that there is a tram line that leads right to his like to that location

44:40

it's like literally stops 10 meters in front of his home.

44:43

So it's just such a wonderful thing to be a part of, man.

44:47

Like it's, and Rebel contest to it, you know, who was actually there,

44:50

like no one, it's one of those things that should be doing a lot more things

44:54

than what it is doing, you know? And I feel that if the scene all got behind

44:58

it and really pushed it, it would be. Like I must see locate, you know, I mean, look, there's a show Friday show, Saturday, Wednesday.

45:07

It's seeing it's things are happening and you know, it seems like he keeps it busy.

45:12

Absolutely. This is like, I love seeing, I love seeing places like this.

45:18

It looks like a beautiful little venue. Yes. I mean, I have one of my own one day.

45:23

Yeah. Well, hopefully next year we'll, we'll have you come down and we'll actually

45:28

do a show at the, the mountain magic festival. So what do you think let's go

45:33

i'm ready yeah so

45:37

outside of that i don't know if josh had another more speak pipes or spitballing

45:41

setup do you know i don't know i no one keeps me informed of anything except

45:47

what time to show up well he's just that didn't even happen today it's five

45:51

minutes before the podcast i'm looking for the link to this shenanigans.

45:56

Don't even know where to go welcome back

45:59

just we just explained all the amazing things happening at the laneway theater

46:02

and what was involved with all the magic sports and some of the things we created

46:05

how i had to shave my legs to do something uh to create a wonderful piece of

46:09

magic but i had a question about that coat is that standard bit and someone

46:14

showed the the adult sized,

46:18

magician as or that was all yeah just wait a

46:20

minute you know what i've never asked him where it actually came from but

46:23

it's it's enormous like it's huge and right

46:26

and and so what it's it's it splits at the

46:29

back so the front of it's all sealed in the back is all split so

46:32

once you go in with your arms by your side then somebody

46:35

puts their arms around you and goes through the actual sleeves and then people

46:40

do their their bits like one of the here's one of the funniest things right

46:44

so check this out there's a route there's a routine where i have to like go

46:47

outside and then the the audience make up a trick and the audience said,

46:52

says this, they were like, okay, there's a potato.

46:55

All right. It levitates and then turns into a duck and quacks. Yes.

47:03

And then I sit down in the chair with LJ behind me.

47:08

And he has to, with his hands, try and explain that to me. And I'm trying to

47:11

figure out what he's saying. And the weird thing was, this is what LJ kept saying for potato.

47:16

He kept reaching towards Tim's chest and doing this.

47:20

And I was like, you take a human heart. And I'm like, what the?

47:24

And this was his pantomime for like- Potato.

47:28

For potato. And I'm like, I can't understand it.

47:31

If you make a ball and then wiggle your fingers back

47:34

and forth that doesn't look like a potato to me if you should just

47:37

point it to my head that looks like a potato this not

47:41

this so it's a hard that's

47:44

a hard one potato yeah yeah but i got

47:47

it in the end it was quite hard to get there but like yeah oh yeah

47:50

absolutely and then i had to do this like and then i had to do it to josh and

47:54

i was trying to explain to him like what a saucepan was and you know he's a

47:57

young kid he probably doesn't cook and i couldn't like i'm like saucepan man

47:59

like like pan and it was like ladle spoon i'm like no i'm pointing to the pan

48:04

like it was it was hilarious so it's it's good times yeah,

48:10

i think that's it for us matthew mosley thank you he did send in one as a joke

48:17

it didn't really come through in the audio well enough to really play so i might

48:21

i might leave that one so we can and save it for, for another week, but that's all I speak pipes this week.

48:27

But on the magic sports, like that's a kind of funny thing that could be done,

48:32

you know, at a live magic guys viewing one day, but maybe we just do a different

48:38

variation where it's because it's magicians watching magicians, so we can really,

48:41

you know, do triumph with linking rings or, you know, I dunno,

48:45

just come up with stupid stuff like that.

48:49

And also if you had to shave your legs, how did it feel to like like consciously shave an area that like.

48:55

You don't need to like that has hair, but you have to purposefully shave it off as opposed to us.

49:01

Yeah. These are the hot topics our listeners really want.

49:05

Exactly. Well, I had to do it with an exacto knife. So I had an exacto knife.

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Cause like one thing, whenever you're doing these, these shows,

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like you bring so many props. I got a suitcase and I filled it with everything, like everything,

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you know, because you don't want to just get up there and do like 50 different

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variations of card tricks. You want to do stuff with like bits of fruit so this

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or that and you know and so i was like okay so gotta

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make sure i have double stick tape gotta have an exacto knife gotta have scissors gotta

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have you know whatever i can gotta have thumb tips gotta have sponge gotta have

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like you name it because you never know what's going to happen when it comes

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time to create you know like speaking of like the maker trick no joke one time

49:46

a guy donated his prosthetic leg that's a winner like Like, how's that for an object?

49:52

You want to try to create a trick with a prosthetic leg?

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Have you seen Chris Korn's recent ad? Oh, man.

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I'm going to have to check it out. I don't want to ruin it for anyone who sees it. I'm not going to.

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But he can use that leg. Yeah. By the way, I know the deadline,

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because we're all magicians here, the deadline for auditioning for Penn & Tell's

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Fool Us is in, I think it's in the U.S.,

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in two days time, did you guys, any of you guys submit something or anyone in

50:26

the chat submit something? So I'm going to tell you, I'm going to submit a video today.

50:32

And I just want to start the journey here by just saying that and we'll see

50:35

what happens, but I don't know why you guys aren't, I mean, why wouldn't you

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Doug, you're in the U S or that just doesn't interest you.

50:42

It's some kind of weird procrastination syndrome that prohibits me from getting

50:47

anything done. There's my excuse.

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And Nick, who has lots of creative substance in his veins, who just spoke with

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Brian Saint, who bloody is a direct line to the show. You should already have a trophy, Nick K.

51:02

You have no excuse. That's really kind of you to say, friends.

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But I think it's, you know, the difficulty being myself and performing as often

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as I do is that I don't allow myself enough time to create.

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You know, like I'm so envious of...

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Everyone being able to have the time to play with cameras more

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and do things like that but it's not only just for myself i'm i'm

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managing dozens and dozens of yeah yeah all

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right all right all right yeah yeah i know you're a busy guy you're

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a busy guy i did consider a submission for this for this show and i set about

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filming it at a magic convention and was unhappy with my performance and did

51:38

not submit the footage i think submitting a live performance of an effect is

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a ups your chance of being selected.

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Perhaps, yeah. They literally just want footage of it to see from a producer's point of view.

51:54

But imagine if that's for an audience. And that's kind of what I put my mind to it.

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And I only took one shot at this when I put my mind to it. You know what?

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I'll do it. I actually remember that I do have a video somewhere. Let's go.

52:10

That's what I'm talking about. about i have a if the three of us do it it ups

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our chances to one of us representing the magic guys,

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on the show that's what i'm talking about will you

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shoot some other deadline must do item in the next two days when is it you could

52:28

literally on this stream do an audition and cut that clip and send it to them

52:33

and it would literally be submitted you know actually i thought it would It would be that easy.

52:38

And I phoned it in last year and they were like, they got back to me like this.

52:42

Yeah. You can't phone it in, you know?

52:44

So I sent them a tech talk and they're like, yeah, we're not really looking

52:48

for tech talks. We need two and a half minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. And this is where it led me to be like,

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Oh, I need to film this for a live audience to take my time with it.

52:57

Have you guys, you guys probably haven't seen my coin to glass stuff. I've seen it.

53:02

Yeah. I've seen it with the, yeah, that I've seen. It's good stuff.

53:06

Since you've seen it, Josh, the amount of improvements and ridiculousness that

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goes into achieving that effect now is insane.

53:14

It's, it's really just go in with that Cheetos routine, whatever the hell you

53:18

were doing in that magic sports. Go with that. That'd be great. I could just put tell his arms through this stupid

53:22

jacket and have him do everything. That'd be hilarious. There he is.

53:25

Start shoving Cheetos on his face. Yeah.

53:28

You know what? That actually doesn't sound so bad.

53:32

Okay. So you heard it here first. Nick is going to submit something.

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That's all I wanted to hear was the commitment. There's no trying. Do or do not.

53:42

It's just doing good stuff. Anyway, you know, I'm going to submit something

53:46

could lead to nothing, but it will definitely lead to nothing if I do nothing.

53:49

Thing and alex the magician the great

53:52

female artist that we had on our show two years ago

53:55

just her appearance just uh aired like this

53:58

week so that was very cool to see a full circle moment it's so it's so cool

54:03

to see anything aside from you know a middle-aged white man doing magic you

54:08

know in general let's go true true dad we've held the ruse long enough A bunch of old honoree cusses,

54:17

most of you. And now...

54:21

You know who's developing a cool thing? It's Danny Orlean's daughter,

54:25

Leah Orlean. She's a tiny girl, big show.

54:28

She's building the Mystique Magic Festival, which will embrace female magic

54:34

artists and other artists of, you know... You know...

54:41

Open-minded frames of mind how

54:44

do i say that i'm talking about lgbt and

54:47

you know okay yeah i

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love that man yeah it's like this there we're out here let's embrace it right

54:55

so leah orlean's mystique magic conference coming soon to vegas yeah you know

55:03

like i you know one of my personal favorite favorite female performers would be Carissa Hendricks,

55:09

who does Lucy Darling. Oh, yeah, of course.

55:12

Lucy Darling was born at the Melbourne Magic Festival.

55:18

I've seen her in the advertisement for this Mystique conference,

55:22

so I'm sure she'll be there. Actually, she's a superstar, dude.

55:26

I'm going to write that down. She should be on this show, for sure.

55:29

We should ask her to be part of the show. If nothing but just to inspire more

55:35

folks to get into magic like she is brilliant and

55:38

the amount of work she went into even developing her character and

55:42

even her accent that she performs in it's it's

55:44

the best it's the best thing ever and and i love it

55:47

because she would come back every year to perform at the

55:50

melbourne magic festival but to the point now where she's so enormous that

55:53

she doesn't she's not even able to fit that in her schedule but what

55:56

i love is that like we'll be

56:00

be performing at the gala in which everyone does like a few minute spots and

56:03

then she'll go i'm three years old today because that's

56:06

when like today's my birthday she's like

56:10

today's my birthday and i was like i love that because she quite literally gave

56:14

birth to lucy darling like at the mal magic festival yeah and that's there's

56:18

a great there's a great full show of hers performing at the chicago magic lounge

56:24

the improv magic lounge or something like that Is that what it's called in Chicago? It's on the social.

56:29

Yeah. I remember watching it on YouTube. Amazing.

56:32

Yeah. Like go watch it. The character development in that is just insane.

56:38

Especially when you see footage of her out of character to realize how much

56:43

character she's actually. Reportedly her penguin lecture is a highlight and discusses character development

56:48

in depth. If you're into these things.

56:50

That's it. I think it won an award for one of the lectures of the year or something with penguin. penguin.

56:57

Amazing. Look guys, we're out of time. I can't bloody believe it,

57:00

but we're going to leave you the final word with Nick today.

57:04

Also, we have a new piece of merch coming soon that's in development,

57:10

but I just want to, we just want to tease that a little bit.

57:13

Now that, now that this podcast is three and a half years old,

57:16

we've got a bit of history we can add into the detailing of,

57:20

of stuff we bring out now and keep track of that. But anyway, thank you for watching.

57:24

And Nick's got something else to say first. Also the discord will pop over there. I'll be on there for about a half hour.

57:31

So if you guys want to pop over and say, Hey, come and kick out for a little

57:33

bit. We have some stories that I could have mentioned on air.

57:36

Come over and say hi, where it's not recorded.

57:42

So in the spirit of what's been happening with all the creativity that I've

57:46

been experiencing in the past week doing the magic sports, it's the best lesson

57:51

I learned from that friends is to stay humble and not be afraid to fail.

57:56

Not every game that we play in the sports magic sports game is something you're

58:01

going to absolutely crush. And it's a wonderful thing because some people are so afraid to even try that

58:06

they fail before even giving themselves permission.

58:11

So my advice heading out this week is try it. Don't be afraid to fail.

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And the more times you fail, the closer you get to being awesome.

58:20

So stay awesome, do magic because you love it and do it because you want to

58:24

see folks smile. And that is my final word.

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Thanks for listening. It's time for us to disappear now. Disappear now.

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But we'll see you again on the next episode of the magic guys.