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1:25

everybody, welcome to a special bonus edition

1:27

of the major wrestling figure podcast I

1:30

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1:32

of course joined by the illustrious hosts

1:34

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1:37

Well, I'm here always ready

1:39

Matt Cardona Brian the

1:42

most professional wrestler Brian Myers. What's up everybody? But

1:44

we got a big very yesterday big

1:46

guest a big get my guess I

1:48

got a turn It's the

1:50

return Mr. Darren

1:53

Ravel the very controversial

1:55

in our in our

1:57

collecting world. I love you. So I don't know what the controversy

1:59

is about Listen I you want 50

2:01

per say as wrestlers you want more

2:03

than 50% of people to hate you

2:07

There's my guy Heat

2:12

I am not it listen the worst thing you

2:14

can have is for you to

2:16

be right down the middle these days That

2:18

means you're irrelevant. You're not making

2:20

money and no one cares about you. Well, I'll tell

2:22

you that that's the name of my game The

2:30

first return guest on the show. I

2:33

get out of here. Yeah, we're not

2:35

we're not typically a guest podcast Definitive

2:38

interview podcast That's

2:42

cuz I bring it and well I will prove

2:44

it again tonight. Yes. I mean we had to

2:46

have you on We're gonna talk about the Tom

2:48

Brady controversy You know, we brought

2:50

it up. We we mentioned you last week I

2:52

figured we got to have you on instead of

2:54

trying to put words in your mouth at power

2:56

prison You said let's just let's just talk about

2:58

it. Maybe if you can give everyone who hasn't

3:01

listened Maybe they don't know kind of catch up

3:03

then catch up on the speed in your in your

3:05

view in your terms So

3:09

Everyone is at fault here. Okay,

3:11

because what happened is fanatics

3:14

Obviously, I think Tom Brady will make

3:16

about five million dollars this year from

3:18

fanatics Which is the most any athlete

3:20

has made in a single year from

3:23

from assigning from

3:25

signing exclusive deals now Fanatics

3:28

has an exclusive but you know

3:30

every once in a while Tom. We don't want to

3:32

bother you We're gonna look the other way now.

3:35

Why would they do this? well because Tom's got other

3:37

business and we're not gonna stop him from doing other

3:39

business and in October of 2023

3:42

when he went to Mexico He

3:44

did this deal where he was speaking and

3:46

then they said alright, let's throw in a

3:48

hundred autographs and a hundred pictures now

3:51

in Mexico the autograph

3:53

says I Found out

3:55

where autographs on hats and useless things and

3:58

little trinkets in this in there that so

4:00

they were not worried about it. But

4:02

then what happened was when

4:04

he does this motivational speech

4:06

in Miami, half

4:09

the tickets were sold or

4:11

half the VIP tickets were

4:13

sold to, or this

4:15

guy was a partner of the main

4:18

guy and he goes out to

4:20

the memorabilia hounds and he goes out to

4:22

the Boston guys who

4:24

have all the great Brady stuff and says,

4:26

hey, Fanatics is going to charge you

4:28

$10,000 to put it on

4:30

a game news item. They have Brady sign a game news

4:32

item. For

4:35

$3,600, you get the speech, a photo,

4:37

and an auto. Now,

4:39

so that's the opportunist part

4:41

here where these guys

4:43

know that it's not exactly

4:46

kosher. OK, let's call a spade

4:48

a spade here. It's not exactly

4:50

kosher what's going on. And

4:54

so Tom does his speech

4:57

and he takes the photo. And then

4:59

he goes and he does the whole autograph thing.

5:01

He walks in the room. No one is in

5:03

there. And he does, hey, settle down.

5:08

He's talking to you, Broski. So

5:11

he's just like, he

5:14

sees these items. And to be honest with

5:16

you, he definitely wasn't

5:18

expecting it, right? Like these items, I

5:20

think he knows what they are, the

5:22

way that they're labeled. You guys know

5:25

when you sign stuff. You know what

5:27

is yours, what you use, what's special.

5:29

It's not special. Come on. Come on,

5:32

OK? So he sees

5:34

this stuff. And I think immediately he's like,

5:36

well, I got a contract to sign 100

5:38

autos. I should just do it. So

5:41

part of me is not, I

5:43

don't think Tom is like, oh,

5:46

let's F these guys. Let's scribble.

5:48

Let's be tornado Tom and go

5:50

through all these things and destroy

5:52

game use stuff. I don't think that

5:54

was his intention. He probably should have

5:57

taken a breath and said. I'm

6:00

not going to say this. This is

6:02

not the spirit of the contract that

6:04

I signed. Right. Um, I was supposed

6:06

to sign a couple things and now

6:08

these guys from Boston have come. And

6:10

so I think, you know,

6:12

show that he ruined some items. These

6:15

guys are angry and you

6:17

know, Tom's getting a blitz gone, which,

6:19

you know, there, there's definitely some fault

6:21

there. There's a lot of fault to

6:24

the conference and there's some faults

6:26

of the collectors. They, they knew they were

6:28

taking a chance. So let's not act like

6:30

you weren't taking a chance. Yeah.

6:33

I think, uh, we, we, we said, all right

6:35

up to bat, he either signs them all correctly

6:37

or doesn't sign them at all. Yes.

6:39

You know, but also these fans,

6:42

they're innocent in the sense that their items are

6:44

ruined, but they knew, they knew

6:46

they were getting involved in this little too good

6:48

to be true here. Yes. But on

6:51

the flip side, you just said Tom knew the value of

6:53

these items. I think Tom did know the value. So for

6:55

him to not take his time and give it a nice

6:57

signature on something that he knows is all borderline

7:00

irreplaceable is the conscious

7:02

decision that he made. Yeah. Yeah.

7:04

Again, again, I do think you guys

7:06

know, uh, people come

7:09

to you, people come to stars and

7:11

a lot of what you do is

7:13

situational. The hundred percent fan, the fan

7:16

complains that you were a jerk off.

7:18

Well, guess what? You just came from

7:20

somewhere else and it's like, you

7:23

know, they're analyzing it is like, this is

7:25

their one time meeting you. It

7:27

can't be a hundred percent every time. And,

7:30

and so, uh, you know, I think he

7:32

was coming off a speech. I

7:34

think he really believed this, the speech was the

7:36

main act. That's what I said. Yeah.

7:38

Yeah. And so he's in

7:41

the moment and I think he's quickly

7:43

surprised and then he makes a bad

7:45

decision and I'm not, you

7:47

know, collectors are like, you're supposed to

7:49

protect us. You cover collecting and I'm

7:52

trying to just call it as it is.

7:54

Like they spoke to fanatics and they said

7:56

game use items are 10,000. This

7:58

is 3,600. So, um, and

8:01

then, you know, there's never a guarantee that

8:03

things are going to work out. Everyone wants

8:05

to autograph everything. Alan Iverson took the Alan

8:07

Iverson Ray Allen debut that I had with

8:10

ticket, which is not easy to get, and

8:12

he like tested the pen on it. She's

8:16

about, and then they call and

8:18

it's literally the only NBA

8:20

debut where two hall of famers debuted

8:22

in the same. Cool. And

8:24

they called me. They're like, Hey, what'd

8:26

you pay for the ticket? I'm like, but

8:29

I waited at two years, like, and I got

8:31

it a long time ago. What would you pay

8:33

300? But yeah, but what is it? What's

8:36

the worth? Right. Like, you know, and

8:38

now it's destroyed and we have to take it out

8:40

of the population. So, um, yeah,

8:42

so, so when you autograph, it's always

8:45

a, it's always a crap shoot. So

8:48

how much is a Tom Brady autograph? Like if he

8:50

was just putting it on an eight by 10, like

8:52

let's say if you bought three, $3,600 for the, for

8:54

the thing. Now

8:57

the group of addicts and eight by 10 might

8:59

be eight, eight 99. And

9:02

that's with no decimal plate. Okay.

9:05

Okay. So that is, that is

9:07

definitely cheaper than $3,600. If

9:09

you want to get an assignment on it. Yeah. But

9:11

then if you want to get an assignment on a

9:13

ticket now it's 5,000. Holy

9:16

smoke game, game use 10,000. Wow.

9:20

So there was some tickets here. There was

9:22

game used items, but were there

9:24

also some things that he flat out

9:26

did not sign like some cards? He

9:28

didn't sign cards because that expressly says

9:31

he had in his fanatics deal. He

9:33

can never sign cards. And I'm sure

9:35

fanatics had don't sign cards. I'm

9:37

sure he said that. What's not lucky.

9:40

Those guys lucked out. Yeah.

9:42

Right. Imagine he made the face, the rookie or something.

9:47

And it's just an interesting topic because there's

9:49

so many opinions and none of us are

9:51

right. Right. It's all our opinions, you know,

9:53

and I could, you know, at the airport,

9:55

we were telling the story last week. If

9:57

I'm at the airport and some quote unquote

9:59

fan is shoving. something to my face. They're

10:01

getting a tornado mat autograph. You know what I'm

10:03

saying? They are. But if they're coming at us

10:05

and signing and they're paying, they're looking at me

10:07

eye to eye. Now, of course, I'm taking my

10:10

time. But let me show you the one autograph

10:12

I didn't ask for. That's

10:18

great. Listen,

10:20

says, fuck you, Johnny Johnny

10:23

Manziel. Because

10:25

I was I was trying I almost got

10:27

I only got him ineligible for a half

10:29

a quarter after his Heisman season. He is

10:32

perpetually angry at me. So that's that's what

10:38

that's the one I didn't ask for. So but that's probably

10:40

worth more than fine helmet, right?

10:43

Well, this is a this is a one of

10:45

one day. That's what I'm saying. And I

10:47

feel like this Brady situation has a similar, you

10:49

know, what if to it like, yeah, autographs

10:53

are tough. I that's

10:55

why I enjoy, you know, collecting the

10:57

autographs of dead people, you know, it

11:01

helps, you know, nothing's ever going to happen to

11:03

them. No, you know, they're dead. You

11:05

talk about all the time, the importance

11:07

of a historical situation historical

11:10

night. Could these

11:12

tornado Tom items be worth money?

11:15

No, you don't think so? Don't think that this

11:17

will turn into some kind of like, Oh, remember

11:19

the tornado Tom? No, you have something from that?

11:21

Let's you know, I don't think it's gonna go.

11:23

No, no, no way. No way. I

11:26

do feel like it's already lost some steam. You

11:28

know, I kind of wonder what's

11:30

what's next. Like people are like,

11:33

is Tom gonna like, have

11:35

a make good? Are

11:37

these guys gonna sue? Who are

11:40

they suing? Like, suing the conference,

11:42

right? I was selling them was

11:44

kind of like an offshoot wasn't

11:46

official. Like, I don't know. They

11:49

have messages or something with that guy saying, hey, come to

11:52

this and pay 3600 and get whatever

11:54

you want signed, I'll guarantee it. They definitely

11:56

have messages. I'm

11:59

not justifying this. bit, but if you

12:01

look at the ad, right, this is in

12:03

Miami, Florida, correct? Like the number is like

12:05

a Mexico phone number. Doesn't that like scream

12:07

like red flag? Right? Like come see this

12:09

Tom Brady, price too good to be true.

12:11

Oh, by the way, the number is a 54543.

12:15

It has too many numbers, right? Right.

12:19

There's a little red flag. These, these

12:21

customers, these fans knew they were kind

12:23

of walking that fine tightrope,

12:25

you know, like it was a risk. Yes,

12:28

it was a paid 3600 bucks. What do you think

12:33

he should have done in this way?

12:35

Walked away, walked away, walked away. And

12:37

then not, this is not, this is

12:39

not the spirit of what I signed.

12:41

I was, I was going to do

12:43

a hundred autographs and it,

12:45

this is not a separate signing. This

12:48

is not a paid signing. I,

12:50

I'm with you, Darren. Yeah,

12:52

this was a speech plus

12:54

a couple extras on some

12:57

hats and pennants and

12:59

trinkets, not anything from

13:01

a Superbowl. I feel

13:04

like it should have been like a headshot

13:06

eight by ten, not even like a NFL,

13:08

but you know, like an unlicensed speech. Yeah.

13:10

Yeah. And you

13:13

think those guys would have got their money. You think that

13:15

it's fair for those guys, 3600 bucks, you

13:17

get an eight by 10, the photo and they wouldn't

13:19

have, they wouldn't have participated. That's

13:21

the whole gig. They were getting

13:23

a deal. They were just getting

13:25

a deal. Got it. Here. Let

13:28

me tell you. So they would have been pissed off either way.

13:30

Uh, what do we got here, Darren? That is

13:32

the best George Washington in the world. What's

13:36

that on? It's

13:38

from 1799, uh,

13:41

two months before he died. So what is it on?

13:44

It's on an envelope. Now

13:47

from 1773 to

13:52

I think 1873, if you

13:54

got a dignitary to sign your envelope,

13:56

you did not have to pay postage.

13:59

So some guy. I was like, yeah, George, George,

14:01

sign the envelope. So I don't have

14:03

to pay one cent

14:05

postage to mail this to

14:07

Captain Abraham Shepherd. All

14:10

that handwriting is unbelievable on that page.

14:12

You wanna see all that handwriting? So

14:17

this is actually, look at this handwriting.

14:19

This handwriting is stupid. You

14:22

can cut this if you want, but this

14:25

is- That's great stuff. All right, so this

14:27

is, so in 1790, this

14:30

guy named William Bell got

14:33

bad salt in the harbor.

14:36

And he was like, I'm not paying taxes

14:38

on this shit. Are you kidding me? I

14:40

can't even sell it. So

14:42

they're like, you must go to Hamilton. And

14:45

here comes Alexander Hamilton. Sir,

14:48

I have received your letters of

14:50

the 20th instant. In closing one

14:52

to you from Mr. William Bell

14:54

of the same date, the certificates

14:56

mentioned in the letters was not

14:58

found in your enclosure. I

15:00

am always disposed to exercise the discretion

15:02

that may be vested in me by

15:04

the laws for the reasonable benefit of

15:06

the fair traders in cases and under

15:08

circumstances that admit a relief from me.

15:11

Considerable difficulty occurs in the present

15:13

instance, wherein I am called to

15:15

authorize an allowance without any precise

15:17

fact to direct me. If

15:20

the salt were on board or if

15:22

the proportion of foreign matter had been

15:24

ascertained at the time of landing, I

15:27

now have something to govern my opinion.

15:30

But at this late

15:32

day, everything rests on mere

15:34

conjecture. Now

15:37

I lost my place. That appears to me

15:39

to create this intentional impediment. And the more

15:41

so because the legislature has been very particular

15:44

in directing the mode to be persuaded with

15:46

allowances for damages, drawbacks, or any abatement of

15:48

duty is permitted. Like, can you imagine, by

15:50

the way, there's not any white out. I

15:52

know they didn't have that at the time.

15:55

There's literally not a mistake here. And he messed

15:57

up. And he's writing with

15:59

a... a feather, a

16:02

freaking feather. Could this difficulty

16:04

be surmounted, the case would still remain embarrassed

16:06

by questions of this kind, whether the souls

16:08

could be considered as damage during the voyage,

16:10

which circumstances requisite

16:12

to obtaining an allowance. Upon consideration of

16:14

all circumstances attending this case, I am

16:16

not satisfied that it is in my

16:19

power. I

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17:50

authorize an allowance to Mr.

17:52

Bell. Damn. Hold

17:55

on. I can't

17:57

even. Okay. With respect.

18:00

respect your obedient servant Alexander

18:03

Hamilton. And

18:05

this is a slab right here. That

18:07

sounded like a broken bad hearty promo. Two,

18:12

where do you get something like that? So

18:16

pretty much what happens is someone makes

18:19

a mistake. Like their great grandfather had

18:21

it and they kept it in perfect

18:23

condition. And then they're like, yeah,

18:25

no, I hear you buy. And I'm like, yeah,

18:27

how much you charging me? And

18:29

they're like 6,500 bucks. And

18:31

I'm like, yeah, let's go. Like,

18:33

well, they think they don't know it's worth

18:35

75 grand, but like, you

18:38

know, Jesus, you know, or

18:41

the best Thomas Edison in the

18:43

world right there. Look at that umbrella. Wow.

18:46

That's really cool actually. Now

18:49

do you have this stuff like on display? I know

18:51

this stuff I do on display. What are you just

18:53

gonna ask? No, I do not have, everyone asks this.

18:56

They're like, do you have like, you

18:59

know, like where do you display all

19:01

this stuff? The really, really valuable stuff

19:03

is like, you know, I pulled this for

19:05

you guys. I'm not, you

19:08

have a man cave with this stuff.

19:10

No, I don't have $10 million worth

19:13

of stuff in a man

19:15

cave, you know, but. And

19:18

these are like investments, right? Everything

19:21

is in it. Yes, I have 20% of

19:23

my money in collectibles. I love that. And

19:26

the reason that you did that is because we

19:29

were talking to. I have a, so I have an advantage. I

19:34

have a arbitrage game, which

19:36

is that there's way too

19:39

many collectibles being auctioned. Most

19:41

of these people don't know what

19:43

they are. The descriptions are bad.

19:45

They're in the wrong auction houses.

19:47

They go off at the wrong

19:49

times. And so

19:52

unlike the stock market where they're

19:55

like, oh, you invested in a

19:57

company and they beat earnings, but it didn't beat the

19:59

whistle. number so the stock is down. It's like,

20:02

what? That's the it's like you you

20:04

won but you didn't really win like so I

20:06

don't think that game is there. I mean this

20:09

game I can I can just torch I

20:11

can torch people and I think now

20:14

it's fair in your favor. There

20:16

you there right there is an issue

20:18

which is that if I'm in person,

20:21

it's it's much like being a wrestling

20:23

character. If I'm in person and I'm

20:25

Darren Revell and people see my face,

20:28

I have to give you a fair offer because

20:31

I am a spokesman for the

20:33

hobby. You know, I got people

20:35

into collecting and so it's

20:38

technically I can't like rip you off

20:40

but I if I'm NU Wildcat 99

20:42

on eBay, right, you know,

20:45

then then all the game is

20:47

off. Yeah, I feel again in

20:50

my case, I call myself the Michael Jordan of

20:52

wrestling for your collection. I have like the best

20:54

high end stuff. So it's a double edged sword

20:56

because people come to me, right? Cuz they they

20:58

they seek me out with the stuff but also

21:01

nine times out of ten, they're

21:03

trying to jack the price of all me. Of

21:05

course. Right. So like I don't feel bad if

21:07

we get a seal every once in a while.

21:10

It's all your game of the game. The game

21:12

like I'm never gonna oh no, that's too low.

21:14

Let me give you more money. What? No way.

21:16

I will tell you what does happen which is

21:19

unfortunate which is that once you

21:21

have to send it to me, I don't

21:23

have a fake name to send it to so

21:25

like 3% of the time people

21:28

see Darren Ravel and they're like, oh ****

21:30

I made a mistake. It's

21:33

not coming to you like in all the

21:35

life or they'll be listed like

21:37

they'll relist it and be like, okay, I

21:39

figured it out. Now I figured it out.

21:41

You know, like you know, you need to

21:43

come on. You even I have a fake

21:45

name on eBay. My name is a fake

21:47

name too. Yeah, you gotta. Yeah, we still

21:49

we still got a lot of good pieces.

21:51

You wanna see a couple wrestling

21:53

pieces? Absolutely. Sure. Real quick. I'm about

21:55

the historical piece before you move on.

21:58

Now these would change. ideally

22:01

among a community of people that

22:04

collect historical pieces, you hope, right? And

22:07

then do they always end up in a museum

22:09

or is there just too many of these letters

22:11

and you could display them on them? It

22:14

depends. There's less and less ending

22:16

up in museums because people are willing to

22:18

pay more. And when

22:20

you – so I own

22:23

a document that has 12 Martin Luther King

22:26

signatures on it. And

22:29

I offered it to the Smithsonian, and

22:32

the Smithsonian said, we will only put

22:34

it on display if you donate it

22:36

to us. And

22:39

I'm like, what? I thought we were supposed

22:41

to be educating children. Like I thought there

22:43

was like some like aspirational, educational like, no,

22:45

no, it's all – I'm going to give

22:47

it to you so that you – yeah,

22:50

okay. That's why I have – so what

22:52

would you have gotten out of it? You

22:54

would have got like a rental deal where

22:56

they pay you like monthly rent? No, they

22:58

won't rent it. I have

23:00

to sell it for zero dollars to them.

23:03

But you were seeking a rental

23:05

deal? I wanted – I didn't

23:07

want to have to pay for the insurance. I

23:10

didn't want to have to pay for the storage. And

23:12

I thought it would be nice to display it. And

23:16

that deal really doesn't exist at the

23:19

high end of museums. So everyone who

23:21

says like, oh, you have

23:23

this great stuff, it should be in a museum. F museums?

23:26

Like no. No. So

23:30

you know, but sometimes

23:32

it's just like – so I have a

23:34

John Hancock signed lottery ticket that

23:37

they – to rebuild Fenial Hall in

23:39

Boston. And I know I'm

23:41

the sixth owner because I have the

23:44

whole tracing of – it

23:46

came from Charles Hancock, his cousin.

23:49

And then his cousin Charles Hancock gave

23:51

it to this woman named Winthrop G.

23:53

Ray who in 1861 was

23:56

collecting autographs. You

23:58

know what I mean? It goes way back – I'm

24:00

right ahead of the game. This goes way

24:02

back and people are always like, well, there

24:04

aren't any fake Lincoln autographs. They were

24:06

faking Lincoln's in 1890. You

24:09

know, like, you know, like, you know, think

24:11

about, you got to, you know, you gotta

24:13

be careful, but it's, it's, uh, it's

24:16

a, it's a, it's a really fun game.

24:18

And every once in a while, when I

24:20

get sick of a piece, like I had,

24:22

I had Shaq's college ID, his LSU college

24:24

ID for three years and you know, then,

24:26

then I, I, I owned it. I will

24:28

not, I will not. I don't know

24:30

if I showed this last time. I will, I will

24:32

not be selling this unless I get some

24:35

really well,

24:39

I can't even read it. On earth

24:42

is that what's the first name?

24:44

I can't, I can't say it's a little blurry on our

24:46

end. Okay. Hefner comma

24:49

you. Oh, God. Those

24:51

are you have to, there's dick pills. No,

24:55

I agree. I

24:58

add 50 milligrams, one

25:00

tablet, one hour

25:02

prior sex and

25:05

increase to two tablets daily

25:07

maximum, but it's not slab

25:09

down. It's not slab. It's

25:11

not, it's not signed. I was going to

25:13

put blue, blue, jelly bellies in it. But

25:15

like, that's like an example

25:17

of like an auction now screwing up. Crystal

25:20

is ex-wife is having this

25:22

auction and all of it is like stupid

25:24

jewelry and furniture. And at the end, it's

25:27

this one, it says estimate a thousand dollars.

25:29

And I'm like, excuse

25:31

me, a thousand dollars

25:33

for the greatest conversation piece of

25:35

old time. What

25:39

am I missing here? Right. You

25:42

know, so, so, but it's, it's, it's always

25:44

like, you know, you, it's, you always have

25:47

to try to find the next thing. Like

25:49

what's the net, what's the next thing? Have

25:52

you ever, you talk about things. There's going to

25:54

be Broski selling a blue chew packets on what?

25:56

Oh, man. He's already done that. Oh,

25:58

yeah. That's what that is. Blue, you

26:01

know, blue chew. It's like the, uh, you never

26:03

heard blue chew. No. Oh,

26:05

we got to get you hooked up there. Yeah.

26:07

You code major. You just go to the agent. They kept the

26:09

set. The

26:11

chewable Viagra. Chewable Viagra. The

26:14

last time we had you on the show, you

26:16

like, if we go back, if we can roll

26:18

the footage, you literally blew my mind on the

26:20

show, cause we were talking about the LJN wrestlers

26:22

and you were telling me to invest in guys

26:24

like whole Kogan, I'm like, no, everyone has Hogan.

26:26

We got to get the guys like Haku and

26:28

warlord. You're like, no, you got to get

26:30

the guys. People grew up on their favorites

26:32

and it totally, it was like an epiphany.

26:35

Because you're, you're thinking about in your mind,

26:37

you're one of one. You,

26:39

you know, you, you got to get the

26:41

ones that no one had. And, but there,

26:43

there, there is a, there's a balance there,

26:45

right? There's a balance between,

26:47

you know, like no one opens Kamala

26:50

or whatever it is. Like there's

26:52

definitely a balance between, you know,

26:55

there's still only 150 unopened,

26:57

opened Hogan's, right? You know,

26:59

when Hogan passes, like that's,

27:01

that's the item that's

27:04

the item we all played with and, you know,

27:06

now you're, you know, they did, they haven't gone

27:08

up as much as I thought, but I think

27:11

that's because, you know, they're kind of

27:13

holding it 2,500, they're really good ones,

27:15

but I think that's a, I still

27:17

have five. So I'm still holding. Wow.

27:20

I'm still looking for, I've been looking for one

27:22

since that conversation, but I'm very picky because I

27:25

want a high grade and I want to do

27:27

the stand and then if yours, the gray stand,

27:30

they were in the very first run and it

27:32

didn't last long. I have, this is the best

27:34

one I have. It's an 85. And

27:38

that's a five guys on the back of five back.

27:41

This is actually an eight back. Oh, eight back.

27:43

Okay. I do have a five. I do have

27:45

a five back too. And then I have a,

27:47

I have a signed snuck up, which is pretty

27:50

cool. That is cool. Um, yeah,

27:53

but I, but pretty much all, and then I have a,

27:55

I have a chic back here. This is a, I don't

27:57

know what this one is. This is a, but this one.

28:00

This is a 75. I

28:02

mean, the stickers are just

28:04

the toys, the toys backwards are

28:06

rough. Yes. It's just so good.

28:09

The cable. I

28:12

thought about I want to do an

28:14

article ranking the stickers. Oh,

28:16

yeah. Out of which one

28:18

like KB target like the old like

28:20

what's the what's the stickers that you

28:22

need that you want if you could

28:24

if you want the stickers. I recently

28:27

bought the entire Hasbro collection. I said

28:29

the set after the LJN. I got

28:31

them all in the package not graded

28:33

or anything, but I had a rule if it

28:35

had a Toys R Us or KB sticker, I

28:37

would count it. But if it had like a

28:39

Kmart or you know, mom and pop store, I'm

28:41

like, no, I got to replace this. Right. I

28:44

don't want this in my collection. Right. Because it

28:46

was on it came on sale or something like

28:48

that. Right. Right. Like that Toys R Us, like

28:50

that orange sticker. Oh, man. Yeah.

28:52

I just hate when it's over like the

28:54

talent's face or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

28:56

Hot. That's rough. So I think I think

28:58

one of the next big things is rookie

29:01

magazines. So the first time

29:03

someone appeared on a cover. So

29:05

I wanted to share a couple with you so

29:08

that you could and then I'll bring

29:10

in the wrestling stuff. Sure. Sure. So

29:13

so this is the first time Kurt Russell

29:15

appeared on a cover. Kurt

29:18

Russell. Wow. Okay.

29:21

We got the first time Rod Stewart

29:24

appeared on a cover. These are

29:27

rookie magazine covers. That what you call it. It's

29:29

basically it's basically I mean, this

29:31

kind of kind of feels creepy,

29:34

but Mick Jagger. Wow.

29:36

Wow. So all right. So

29:38

we got a couple of these, you

29:40

know, little little Goldie

29:42

Hawn action here. Oh, wow. Now,

29:46

are you going to get these graded eventually?

29:48

I'll get them graded. I'm waiting for

29:50

for how about how about Robert De Niro?

29:53

Look at this thing. Oh, wow. Holy crap.

29:55

Yeah. So and then

29:57

I'm going to get I'm going to show you a couple good ones.

30:00

All right, so this is the

30:03

first time The Rock

30:05

appeared on a national non-wrestling

30:08

cover. Oh, yeah.

30:11

Oh, I remember that. Of course,

30:13

yeah. It's a

30:15

great one. Yeah. Although I will

30:18

tell you, I do it. As a TV guide, by the way, for

30:20

people listening. A TV guide. Oh, yeah. I

30:22

was literally going to ask you, what about TV guides? Yeah,

30:24

and then this is pretty much his greatest autograph of all

30:26

time. To

30:29

the student of the

30:31

month. Who's got

30:33

the great work, The Rock. When

30:37

I saw this, I was like, oh my God,

30:39

this is amazing. Man, he didn't sound like it

30:41

all these days. No, it's

30:43

very useful. His autograph's coming more and

30:45

more thought after. So we got

30:47

that. We have the Rock

30:50

debut ticket right here. So

30:53

we got a couple of rock things.

30:56

The Rock sacks Charlie

30:59

Ward, his most substantive

31:01

college moment. Very difficult.

31:04

I love how they put that on this lab. The

31:06

Wisconsin sacks Charlie Ward. And it's

31:08

always great on the back. Free

31:11

blockbuster video rental. Okay,

31:16

so now I'm going to get you to

31:18

the magazines. So

31:21

there's two that I want to show you. The

31:25

Arnold debut. Oh,

31:28

now you're speaking my language. Look

31:30

at that tomorrow. Tomorrow's

31:32

man. Is that like

31:34

a... No,

31:36

it is a straight magazine. All

31:39

right. The International

31:42

Magazine for Bodybuilding. All

31:44

right. Okay, and then this took

31:47

a long time to find. I had to

31:49

find Hulk's first cover. This

31:52

was a tough one. It

31:54

is hilarious. Oh

31:58

my God. So

32:00

the best part about it is, so my

32:02

favorite cover of all time is

32:04

this local Chicago cover in 1984

32:06

that says, will

32:09

Michael Jordan make it in

32:11

Chicago? And

32:14

I'm like, that's so good. That's so

32:16

good. OK, so this one is,

32:18

is Fred

32:21

Blossie ruining Hulk Hogan's

32:23

career? Oh, for sure. Oh, that's

32:25

cool. It wasn't like 82, 83.

32:28

What's beyond that? October

32:30

1980. Oh,

32:33

wow. It's like before

32:35

Japan. Yeah, damn. So

32:37

in the corner, it has like these,

32:41

it's like the weird

32:43

apartment wrestling, violent

32:45

beauties. Wow. Like,

32:49

so how did you just do research to figure that

32:51

out? Like, how did you come to this? Basically,

32:54

what I'm doing on all of these I

32:56

look at Wikipedia and timelines, and

32:58

I'm like, what could be the

33:01

earliest? And then I just keep

33:03

searching back and back. So I

33:05

will on eBay or whatever. So

33:07

I'll do 1979, 1980

33:09

to see when I could find something.

33:11

And most of the time, I'll

33:15

buy it. And then sometimes I'll see something

33:17

where it's earlier and I'll buy it. Guess

33:19

what? I mean, that one cost $100,

33:21

but most of these things are $20. The

33:23

market has to mature on it. I

33:27

could take flyers on all these things. Right,

33:29

for sure. So

33:32

last time we talked, we talked

33:34

extensively about ticket stubs and

33:36

stuff, which I think at the time were

33:38

very undervalued. They've since exploded since

33:40

what was that, three years ago that we

33:43

talked about it? Exploded, yes. But then also,

33:45

especially post-COVID, it doesn't

33:47

exist anymore. So what are your thoughts on

33:49

that? Is that just something where what you

33:52

have is going to? I

33:54

feel bad because I wish we could continue

33:56

doing this. Yeah. Trying to work with teams,

33:58

and this is like me as. kind of

34:00

like an ambassador and trying to like save

34:02

things. I'm trying to work with teams to

34:05

tell them, Hey, why don't you're

34:07

the Chicago Cubs? Why don't you just

34:09

say it costs $350 to print out

34:12

tickets? Give us

34:14

$350. We'll print you a sheet before the season.

34:18

And it's the first time you're going to the

34:21

game with your nephew or kid, rip it out.

34:23

You have one, right? You

34:25

know, because the the issue is, the

34:28

issue is that if the

34:30

ticket is not printed at the

34:33

time of like, you

34:35

can't print it after like right, yes, they will

34:37

be like, No, no, no, it's garbage. In fact,

34:39

you can see sometimes on the Ticketmaster, it will

34:41

give you like the true date and the date

34:44

they printed it is later than the date of

34:46

the game, you can't do that. So,

34:48

so it's, yeah,

34:51

I mean, I'm hoping that more and

34:53

more teams do it because there's so

34:55

many reasons like, it's

34:57

almost like the the the free food on

35:00

airlines, you're like, I hate the free food.

35:02

I hate the free food. And then the

35:04

food is not free anymore. And you're like,

35:06

it was so good. I want it. You

35:08

don't know you had close gun, right? What?

35:11

Why aren't I entitled to get a free

35:13

ticket? Like I want them. I want them

35:15

on memento. I do have a, since we

35:17

have movie, the only the modern day ticket, the

35:19

only chance you have is maybe a conference. I

35:21

think people still print out so

35:24

this is this is this

35:26

is Peter McAllister's ticket from home alone.

35:28

Get the fuck out of here. So

35:31

yeah, we can.

35:34

And then inside we have Kevin's

35:36

boarding pass. And that that's screen

35:38

use like for the movie. This

35:41

one is not screen. Hold on. Hold on.

35:43

We'll get it. We'll get a screen. We'll

35:45

get a screen. You want to screen use

35:47

something? Sure. Let's see

35:49

here. Okay, I'm gonna get

35:52

you a spring use something.

35:56

Never know what Darren Revell is gonna show you

35:58

the major Yeah, we

36:00

got we

36:02

got Dennis Quaid's helmet from any

36:05

given Signed

36:11

and signed Is

36:13

unsigned it does say inside Dennis Quaid movie

36:15

worn any given Sunday I have a letter

36:17

that came with it now if

36:19

you had Dennis Quaid sign that would you

36:21

have him sign as the character or Dennis?

36:23

Quaid probably Dennis Quaid and then the characters

36:25

name script. Yeah, this is one of the

36:27

greatest of all time Kids

36:31

glasses from Jerry Maguire. Oh,

36:33

that is really cool

36:36

That oh my god And

36:39

you did you who put that together like that? He

36:44

went to Michael's we gotta Yeah,

36:47

you know, it's not like I have a wife

36:49

and three kids yeah Let's

36:52

go back to the ticket shows for

36:54

a second. I just purchased this it's

36:56

a stone cold Steve Austin. He's a

36:58

six-time WWF WWE champion

37:00

all Ticket

37:03

subs from the night. He won the title

37:05

all signed by Steve Austin all PSA graded

37:07

Oh, is that like a six-lot thing? That

37:09

was this lot? Now

37:16

also is to show how much of a new buy-amp

37:18

to stuff like this I've never Bit

37:21

on golden before. Yep, so I had no

37:23

idea about although Bidding

37:26

yeah, well the buyers fees afterwards. Holy shit.

37:28

It's like $2,000 extra. It's 20 It's

37:32

20% plus the insurance plus the

37:34

shipping Holy

37:36

fuck. I didn't know

37:38

that either. I've never messed with old ones when you are When

37:42

yeah, then you then you buy an

37:44

item for 143 thousand it becomes a

37:46

hundred sixty one thousand. Yeah Oh

37:50

my god I feel

37:52

like golden that too popular now because of

37:54

that show and yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you get

37:57

like a real yeah I'm

38:00

still all over tickets. I just

38:05

acquired this one. The

38:08

premiere of Tommy Boy. No. That rules. You

38:11

just got, you know,

38:14

you gotta keep looking around and

38:16

you know, seeing uh hold

38:18

on. We got we got one. We got a good one

38:20

here. You can't miss

38:23

this one. Alright. This is the

38:27

man ticket from the attic

38:29

there. Just these boxing

38:31

tickets of the 30s are

38:33

just cool man. Yeah. I

38:35

still I still greatly love tickets. You

38:38

know, I really do. Yeah. It's so

38:40

cool of art. There are pieces.

38:42

Oh, I gotta show you my new. It's a momento

38:44

too though which is such a shame that you

38:47

can't have it anymore. I gotta show you

38:49

my latest uh my latest pickup.

38:52

It's the uh it's the rooming

38:55

list from the dream team in Barcelona.

38:57

The only copy

38:59

left and thank god Christian Leitner ran out

39:01

of money and had to sell it to me. Jesus.

39:04

That's really cool. Look at Jordan and

39:06

Pippin are rooming next to each other.

39:10

Malone and Stockton are next to each other. It's

39:12

like real. It's like really cute. You know, I

39:14

wonder if they had a joining door, you know,

39:16

joining rooms. I wonder. Oh, Jesus. Um

39:19

so last time that we talked, you also

39:22

talked a lot about physical media um being

39:24

something on the on the horizon and I

39:26

think you were buying video games or something

39:28

maybe at the time as talking about Mario.

39:31

I was buying VHS is that's a market

39:33

that didn't turn out. Um I

39:35

I think there were more hoarders

39:37

and more sealed VHS is that

39:39

you could imagine but you

39:41

know, I mean you still you know to

39:44

get the to get the originals. I I

39:46

still think they're so cool. I

39:48

I think so as well. So the

39:50

VHS is still are really cheap. So even

39:52

if you now that now they got she

39:55

I mean, I don't know.

39:57

It's funny. Pete Davidson went on uh

40:00

Yeah. And he goes, and I bought

40:02

them all up. And I'm like, am I

40:04

the original character that you're playing right now?

40:07

Because I was the one who did that, not

40:09

you. I

40:11

feel like there's a lot of popular

40:13

movies that are still going for a lot of money, maybe not

40:16

as much as they were, but you can't get

40:18

like an original Rocky or

40:20

Ghostbusters, like the first edition. You can't

40:22

get that. I

40:24

bought so many Rockies,

40:26

and there were still too many of them. I

40:29

see. There were too many of them. I

40:32

guess it was like... But still video and

40:34

stuff exploded. Still video games are going crazy.

40:37

They're going crazy. I actually

40:40

bought the nicest

40:42

NBA Jam in the world for $5,000, and

40:45

I actually sold it for What?

40:51

Yeah. It was a good turn. It was a

40:53

good turn. Yeah, don't shake. Do

40:57

you think that that is worth more than

40:59

$77,000 now, or is it a reason? It

41:01

could be, but listen, you have to know

41:03

when to take money off the table, and

41:05

normally when you're in 15X

41:07

land, you're an idiot. Yeah, that's right. I

41:11

think last time we talked, you used the term pig-ish.

41:13

Yeah, pig-ish, yeah. Yeah, I keep that in the back

41:15

of my mind about... Yeah, you got it. You got

41:18

to really figure it out. I

41:23

see. So you're kind of looking at that

41:25

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41:30

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had that with the rock bumblebee card. I

43:08

don't know if you guys remember that. Right, that was

43:10

like in COVID that was B card. Yeah, in COVID

43:13

that was the card. And I bought it

43:15

for 750 bucks and I sold it for 17,000 and it turned out

43:17

to be pretty much

43:19

the height. But

43:23

it hurt to get rid of it. Now I have

43:26

bought something and then a day later bought it back.

43:30

Sold and bought?

43:32

Oh, God. Yeah,

43:34

I sold a

43:38

Jeff Bezos copy of

43:40

Time Magazine and

43:43

maybe like four or five days later, he stepped

43:46

down as CEO of Amazon. And I was like,

43:49

oh, God, he's going to go

43:51

from private plane to private island.

43:54

He never has to show up at

43:56

a meeting like his auto is going

43:58

to be impossible. I'm like, I

44:01

gotta buy that back. So that happened.

44:04

That, you know. What

44:06

did that cost you? Probably

44:08

another three. It was a three grand mistake. Not

44:10

something crazy. Insanely bad,

44:12

but yeah. But the wife

44:14

didn't know about it. But anyway, yeah.

44:18

Have you ever... Now,

44:20

what's your strategy? Do you see something that you have that's

44:22

going down or it's not as valuable? Do you try to

44:24

get out of people? You have to go

44:26

and unload it. I mean, that's something that

44:28

people are really bad at doing in this industry. You

44:30

gotta remember, if something's going down or

44:32

it doesn't turn out, like, you

44:35

can make money on the next opportunity.

44:38

But if it goes to zero, you're not doing

44:40

anything. So you have to figure out, like, okay,

44:42

what's next? I gotta eat it. You

44:44

have to eat it. You can't just go down with the ship.

44:47

So I've done that

44:49

before. It's

44:51

just part of... You're

44:53

not gonna hit everything. And if you make a

44:55

lot of money because you've made great bets, you're

44:58

gonna lose. You step into the VHS game

45:00

and you put 25 grand in to be ahead, and

45:02

then you lose. You

45:04

gotta be willing to lose like a man. That's what it is.

45:07

Right. I agree with that. Yeah, I mean, that's the name

45:09

of the game I agree with. You gotta invest in yourself.

45:13

Well, I did get into the VHS game, but I think

45:15

I'm only in 70 bucks. Okay.

45:18

And I think you're more like for your personal... I

45:20

just bought my favorite movies and displayed them. Yeah.

45:24

And then also, Dan, you're trying to figure out, and

45:26

we're all guessing here, like, what could

45:28

possibly be the next thing? And like, it's a gamble,

45:30

right? So you win some, you lose some. Like, I'm

45:32

always trying to figure out with wrestling figures, like, what

45:34

could possibly be next, right? Like, you

45:37

know what I do, Matt? You know what I do? I

45:41

buy one or two things in a category and

45:43

ask people, what do you think? And

45:46

I look for someone to say, who isn't

45:48

even in a collecting, wow. Like,

45:51

that's how I got into historical,

45:53

because like, once I bought like,

45:55

the Alexander Hamilton, people were

45:57

like, holy crap, that's on me. unreal

45:59

and it's like this person is not

46:01

a collecting person. So it's like, if

46:04

that person is saying something, I should just go deep

46:06

in and then you have to, and then you have

46:08

to hone your strategy. Okay, if I'm going to collect

46:10

more historical people, what

46:13

is the impetus for someone to buy historical?

46:15

Okay, let's figure this out. And you really

46:17

have to figure it out. And I figured

46:19

it out. 2026 is the 250th anniversary

46:21

of America. There's

46:24

gonna be a lot of talks. I'm gonna

46:26

put myself on the today show. And

46:30

as I walk off the set, I'm

46:32

gonna sell it all. Yeah. I

46:35

mean, it's so simple. We really

46:37

think about it. That's also the

46:39

beauty of what you're doing because you have no

46:41

sentimental attachment to this stuff. You're in it for

46:43

the pure investment. That's

46:46

not true. That's not true. I'm willing. In

46:48

certain cases. I'm willing to part from it,

46:52

but I think I do have

46:54

things that I enjoy and

46:56

I've sucked the life out of it and it's time

46:58

to move on. For

47:01

sure. It's like a lot of like- And

47:03

in a lot of ways, I'm renting stories

47:06

because I buy something, it's

47:08

good for my brand. Oh,

47:13

this is the thing Darren had. Yeah,

47:15

I've sucked it all out. I said

47:17

been associated. I'm amortizing the

47:20

cost to my brand. It becomes part of

47:22

me, part of my story, part of my

47:24

legend, and then I move on. Right. And

47:27

it might be worth more money since you had it. It

47:30

could be. If we could get PSA to slab the

47:32

rovelle, it could be worth less. Yeah.

47:35

That's just behind it, I guess, right? Yeah,

47:37

yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's all, it's so

47:39

fun. It's

47:42

so fun and

47:44

it's great when you have a seal

47:46

and you know, I remember when

47:48

I bought the largest Warren Buffett signature in

47:50

the world and I stole it and I

47:53

just went downstairs and poured a scotch and

47:55

turned on the fireplace and I'm like, God,

47:58

life is good. I just. I

48:00

just stole that thing and bought it

48:02

for 7200, got an offer for 1.75 million, said no.

48:09

How much time do you devote to this? Like

48:11

a day just cruising the eBay app like a

48:13

psychopath or like? Well, I do it

48:15

as my job. So, you know, we have to, uh,

48:18

I'm, I'm, it's probably an hour and a

48:20

half a day. I'm, I'm looking at things.

48:23

Not bad at all. But the good,

48:25

the good part about it is I'm

48:28

not doing like modern NBA where like

48:30

something goes wrong. I'm not doing modern

48:33

baseball where Mike Trout tears

48:35

his body off. Well, and

48:37

then our last stupid talk,

48:40

I, my first investment was a slab

48:43

Mike Trout debut PSA 10 tickets, tickets

48:45

dub. And he has not been

48:47

healthy since I bought this thing. Just

48:50

waiting to get rid of it. But he's, he

48:53

hasn't been Mike Trout since that

48:55

talk. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah.

48:59

Darren. I mean, thank you for giving us this time. I

49:01

mean, I think we're going to bring you in every once

49:03

in a while when someone fucks something up and we're going

49:06

to need some, uh, your expertise. Cause I think you think

49:08

like us, you know, we're always looking for the next thing.

49:10

Like there's one thing that I'm,

49:12

I shouldn't even be saying it, but I'll

49:14

say it anyway, like I still think there's

49:16

going to be eventually like rookie wrestling figures,

49:19

like there's nothing right now. Why has that

49:21

not been done? I just think

49:23

people don't care about it. And right now, like

49:25

let's say for instance, they're not looking at it

49:27

like that. Right. Like when you're saying rookie, you're

49:29

saying in original outfits. In

49:34

a way, I'm just saying like the first

49:36

release of a rock figure ever. Right. Like,

49:38

you would get that on eBay

49:41

right now. Like 20, 25, like this would

49:43

be the time to stock up on them

49:45

and like, well, and you never know, but

49:47

it's like, it's all a gamble. Or just

49:49

keep buying that rock figure. It's

49:51

pretty hard to find in like a mint. So

49:53

if you think I have that, did that come

49:55

with a ladder, a yellow ladder? No,

49:57

no. It's, it's one of the. Early

50:00

ones that's not yeah, that's not the first

50:02

one bring that I gotta bring that because

50:04

I have I have that signed by him

50:06

Oh, well that changed my period rocket. I

50:08

that I that I bought for 300 bucks

50:12

Yeah Yeah Yeah,

50:15

before you go, you know last time you

50:18

gave us the two tips there was there

50:20

was VHS's and video games video games worked

50:23

What what's the what should we look we be

50:25

looking at now? Oh

50:29

Man well the the one

50:31

thing that people are Really

50:33

excited about now. I can at least tell

50:35

you is these type 1 photos. I Don't

50:39

know if you've heard about them. So Type

50:41

1 photos are published from

50:43

the original negative within

50:47

two years of of that

50:49

picture being taken So

50:51

that's a group Well,

50:54

there's guys at PSA who look at the color

50:56

of the paper often it's written on the back

50:59

It was in a newspaper these have not

51:01

hit wrestling yet I have not seen a

51:04

whole lot of wrestling type 1

51:06

photos now There's a couple issues

51:08

one. They don't have population reports.

51:10

So people in general are uncomfortable

51:12

with it because it's like, okay

51:14

Here's a type 1. Oh, you

51:16

know the first time they played the whole

51:18

Kogan intro or whatever, right? But we

51:21

don't know whether if there's five or twenty of

51:23

them and we don't you know, we don't know

51:25

like who knows and

51:28

so a lot of these things

51:30

are going for big money when they were at like

51:33

$50 $100 Slabbed by PSA.

51:35

So that's actually just something

51:38

to look for Just

51:40

to see these like age old

51:42

photos 70s 80s pretty much to 85

51:46

89 maybe We're

51:50

just like newspaper photos and on the

51:52

back it has like all the

51:54

writings God, let me see if I can let

51:56

me see if I can show if we have

51:59

if we have one here. Let's see.

52:01

So that would be

52:03

like if I

52:36

see. I see. And so a Jordan rookie

52:38

one sold for 175,000. There's

52:42

been there was a really cool one

52:44

that sold this weekend for 15,000 of

52:47

Jordan stretching the first time he was with the

52:49

Bulls. But

52:52

yes, the type one. Oh, I think this might

52:54

be a type one. Yeah, here. So

52:57

on the back, you see like

52:59

all these like notations of like

53:01

what it is. It has a

53:03

stamp. You know, there's all these

53:05

like cool little things that that

53:07

on the back, you know, it kind

53:09

of makes it interesting. Now, the

53:11

question becomes as this gets more

53:13

and more valuable, are people going

53:15

to start faking this stuff? Sure.

53:17

Like anything else. Yeah,

53:19

of course. Where they take it where they try

53:21

to get period paper, where they try to stamp

53:23

it. Yeah, I mean, that the challenge will be

53:26

there. So I think I think type one photos

53:28

are at least interesting. Well,

53:31

Meltzer's got all the wrestling ones, right? Like the

53:33

magazine guys, anybody who's running the magazines in the

53:35

80s, where the guy's taking the pictures at ringside

53:37

as well. Yeah. And then I still I still

53:39

think Beatles are

53:44

undervalued. I you know,

53:46

I mean, I hate to say this, but two of them are alive.

53:49

If you didn't know. And I just

53:51

I just think there's a ton of

53:53

autos. And for me,

53:55

if it's not on anything special, I don't

53:57

think I should be paying the The

54:00

rate for Beatles auto is maybe seven thousand

54:02

right now for all of them And

54:05

I think that's a lot of money for but if you

54:07

can get unique things Um

54:10

Beatles, uh, I still think there's

54:12

a way to run there Damn.

54:15

Well, Darren, thank you for for coming on the

54:17

show. Hopefully it won't be another three years before

54:19

you have beyond Hopefully someone else fucks

54:21

up or we could talk about the tornado. Tom was

54:23

just too Doesn't know Maybe

54:27

you fuck up. This is a great man.

54:29

We need to bring an expert. So we

54:31

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