Twenty years ago, chefs were relegated to the back of the house behind closed doors. Since then, reality TV and social media have helped move the job into the public eye. In the final episode of The Makers podcast, chefs Claudette Zepeda and Joe Sasto discuss their experience on Bravo’s Top Chef, how the experience catapulted them into a new career path outside of traditional restaurants, and why newfound celebrity changes what it means to be a chef.

In The Makers, we have conversations with other chefs about how they define their cuisine, approach their craft, and how they see the culinary industry progressing. Listen to the other episodes of The Makers podcast, made in partnership with Maker’s Mark bourbon, by subscribing on your favorite podcast app. Check out chefsfeed.com/makers for more.