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Welcome, welcome, welcome. On today's show, we've got comedian Jamie Lissow.

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You've probably seen him on Gutfeld and then I talked to Rhino Watch and

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let's just say it's a wee bit fiery. Then we're going to talk about

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a balanced budget amendment and so much more. Just stick around. It's a

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fun one all together now, is right? Yes, elebratory airhorns. That's

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right, thank you. Oh my gosh, that's the my favorite cutest thing

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ever. We that being meet Mandy Connell and my right hand man, Anthony

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Rodriguez that we call a rod Yes, indeed, we will take you right

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through three o'clock when Kae Sports will take over and we have a jam packed

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show for you. So let's get to the blog, shall we. You

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can find the blog by going to mandy'sblog dot com. That's mandy'sblog dot com.

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Look for the headline that says rhino Watch, a comedian and a balanced

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budget amendment. Click on that, and here are the head headlines. Let

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me try that again. Here are the headlines you will find within. Okay,

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I'm fine and clipmas. Comedian Jamie Lissow's very funny Colorado rhino watch in

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studio today. We need a balanced budget amendment. Do you have cruiz questions?

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There's a wine walk soon in Fort Collins. The idiots at a area

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turned down a deal. Yes, the protesters are anti jew. Biden woke

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up from his nap and made a statement. Mayor Mike blows off do better

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Denver Flora snags the Denver Gazette endorsement. Richard Holdtorf says Lauren Bober dresses like

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a hooker. Democrats who live in free speech glasshouses shouldn't throw stones. RTD

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is sucking up all the transportation money. What the reclassification of weed means for

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Colorado? Dave Williams demands fiealty and some candidates just say no. If you

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want to drive up Mount Evans. How to run ruin your business in one

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easy tweet, mammograms should start or hang on one second. They just skip

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down for no reason. What just happened? Oh geez, what happened?

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If you want to got that? How to ruin your Okay? Top ten

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items you need to lose weight, A Rod's got a new side gig.

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Mammograms should start at forty. Bill Belichick will be among the roasters. Someone

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made the protester a LARPing video even better, two minute drill want to spend

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the night in the uphouse? The hot dog peddling crime of the century has

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been stopped. A child's nightmare turns out to be real? Do kids need

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multi vitamins? Do you really need that XL warranty they're offering? How does

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the Colorado's road rage compare with other states? Charlie Kirk on Why We Need

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to Talk TGIF is a must read. As always, those are the headlines

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on the blog at Mandy's blog dot com is what is happened? Is the

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band? They're all walking out now? Yeah, yeah, no, they're

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protesting. Oh what are they protesting? Peacefully? Peacefully protesting? Yeah?

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What are they? What are their demands? You had to making the making

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some you No, No, we're not giving you that. No, they're

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what are they asking for? I can't say it on air. It's it's

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not FCC friendly. Stop yelling at me, you guys back on Monday.

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Yep, they're just going to hit happy hour early, That's all it is.

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You've never met a group of people who are more dedicated to proposition that

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it's five o'clock somewhere. Stop it now. They're just being passive aggressive on

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the way out the door. Seriously, that's how the band flips the bird

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right there. That's what they do. This is what we put up with.

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You know what, if we had a budget for a real band,

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this wouldn't be a problem. You didn't mean it. She didn't mean it.

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You're real, You're real, You're I know she's going to be that

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kind of Friday. It's just going to be that kind of Friday. I

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just feel it. You didn't mean it. Guys, I have let's see

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here, I got to add something to the blog. Uh, We've got

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a lot of guests today. We're going to talk to comedians. Comedian Jamie

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Lissau, very funny guy, and he is going to be at Comedy Works

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this weekend. His Saturday early show is already sold out, but there are

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still two more shows with some tickets available. Not a time, so he's

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coming up at twelve thirty. We're going to chit chat with him for a

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minute, and then at one o'clock it's the interview you've all been waiting for.

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A Couple of folks from Rhino Watch are going to be in if you're

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not familiar with Rhino Watch, you're not missing a lot. It is a

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website slash slam book where a select group of people I don't know exactly who

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has decided that they are the decider of who is Republican y enough, and

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so if you're not Republican y enough in their eyes, then they're going to

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put you on the Rhino well of shame. Rhino of course meeting Republican in

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name only, and I'm interested to talk to them. I think what they

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do is ridiculous and counterproductive and it's doing nothing to help Republicans get elected.

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But we are going to talk to two of their members today, So we're

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going to do that at one o'clock and then coming up at two thirty.

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There really is a need. There has to be a balanced budget amendment.

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There must, and even though politicians say they support it, they don't send

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it to the states to vote on. But I've got a guest coming up

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from Americans for Prosperity who has done a deep dive and I mean a deep

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dive on a balanced budget amendment what that would look like, and he's written

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a paper about it. His name is Kurt Couchman. And we'll talk about

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the positives, the negatives, the possible drawbacks, the negative talking points.

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But we are spending ourselves into oblivion. Our debt service now outstrips our military

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spending, and that is unsustainable. And this is what happens every time governments

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go out of control. And we have been growing exponentially since Nixon took us

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off the gold standard and since we went to a fiat currency. Every politician

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seems to want to figure out a way to spend more. So what's happening

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is that we've got to check the politicians because they will not check themselves.

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This is why I am in favor of the current proposition for a Convention of

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States to address the budget and term limits. Those are two things that I

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would like to see sent to the states for ratification, and they could get

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done in a convention of States because they will not get done by Congress.

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They absolutely will not get done by Congress. So we're going to talk to

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Kirk Kuchman about that today. It's going to be a good day. And

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I'm adding I just added the wine Yogi's latest blog posting talking about all the

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fun stuff that's coming up soon. When it comes to Colorado Wines. But

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I'm also going to add a link to buy tickets to the Colorado Wine Walk

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that is coming up in June. And these sell out pretty you know,

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they sell out, and I want you to have the opportunity if you're in

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the Fort Collins area at the Exchange. And there's also one coming up in

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August at the Dairy Block. So they're here in Denver. So there's a

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lot of opportunities to do fun stuff. And I have a lot of this

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and that on the blog that I just thought was super interesting. So we're

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going to get down to that, but we got to start with our daily

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update about the idiots at a area. So yesterday, right as I was

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leaving, Kathy Walker comes in and says, oh my gosh, so we

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have a solution to the situation at the Arairi campus. As a matter of

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fact, Hey, go see if Rob can come in. Go grab Rob

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Dawson because he's been down there and he's got all kinds of a dirt on

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this that we were talking about before the show. So yesterday a group of

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donors got together and said, look, we got fifteen grand and we're going

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to donate it to the Red Cross in Gaza and the West Bank in the

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name of students, students. What it's like Social democrats, students something something,

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democratic, student something something, I don't know, whatever these little communists

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are calling themselves. What is it the Social Democrats? What is it?

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Students for a Democratic Society? Oh? Yes, or commis as I'll call

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them. So, the Students for Democratic Society got the offer yesterday. These

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donors were going to donate fifteen thousand dollars in the name of their organization to

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the Red Cross, with the condition that they pack up their tents and go

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back to protesting in a more organized but less disruptive fashion. Correct, that's

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what the deal was. And what did they say, Rob, Well,

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they rejected it at the top when they got the letter. The leader said

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it was genocidel the offer, Oh genocidyl. So how they're just shouting out

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words now, Rob, they don't even know what they're saying. There's gension.

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They're like, they have tourests and I believe where you're going is one

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of Paul Nelson, the MSU chapter presidents, said, fifty thousand dollars it's

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barely enough to pay for two semesters of classes. How many of you are

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having problems paying for classes? Raise your hands, and everyone's like all of

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us, all of us. And then there is an elder gentleman there.

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He was, I believe, holding well, we know he was fifty five,

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he's fifty five. He was waving a flag the entire time. He's

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like, I'm fifty five and I still have student debt, but obviously not

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a student now, and yet he's out there pretending like he is. Right.

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So it was just the timing of it. I think we were chuckling

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about the the There was some comedic timing there because he said it after the

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murmur died down. Of course this timing was impeccable. But the reality is

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is that I don't believe that the leadership of the A Area campus is going

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to do anything, and the students know it, and they're going to demand,

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demand, demand, Aman, whatever you give them, they're just going

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to ask for more because they don't want to leave. Well, there are

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six demands now, and I don't know, but they all kind of feed

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into the same same of divesting and from corporations. Now, I asked the

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Paul Nelson gentleman the question of the study abroad program in Israel. Both schools

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have come out said they do not directly operate the program, and it too

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is there'supposed to forbid students from going to Israel, right, but they don't

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even offer direct programs. But he said, well, they do business with

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Study of broad companies who do provide trips to Israel. Now Metro State does

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offer I think an affiliate study a broad program to Israel. I did not

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see anything with CU Denver. Israel is one of the countries you could pay.

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And then they were talking about why would a Palestinian student be subject to

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taking part in a study of broad program and then wind up in the occupation

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somehow? Then, but you choose where to go. So I don't understand

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where he was going with that one. But he's just started yelling. They're

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just yelling and shouting, and so do you have any indication from the A

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Area leadership have they responded to this complete rejection to their incredibly reasonable, over

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the top, I think well wishing offer. Well, they said it was

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unfortunate that it was rejected. It was important to note that five pm encampment

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deadline, like except the offer by five pm to get rid of your encampment.

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We'll give them money. They did not say that the five pm was

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a deadline for police are coming at five oh one. They said it was

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only in relation to their But the camp prepared for the event that police showed

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up. They did a drill did they had shields made out of garbage camps.

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But what they did see this one is not as in depth as some

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of the other ones we've seen in terms of supplies, but they do have

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supply tents. So what happened was they practice if they had intruders or police

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or whatever, that they would gather around the supply tent with a human chain.

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Oh they're just worried about their supplies getting taken, right, And then they practice sitting down still linkeding arms. They are off. This is like

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how this is exactly how the Soviet Union trains their elite soldiers. This is

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exactly how the US military trains the Navy seals. Now it's not about you

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know, being a badass, it's about look norms and sitting down in unison.

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These people are they are becoming so quickly a laughingstock and they don't even

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realize it. They they they don't realize it. It's it's apparent that their

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motivation is is pretty strong to stay out there. One woman I talked to

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said, we could take it to graduation if we need. They don't care

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about the people who are being negative you. They don't care. Well, they think they're doing God's work. Need to. If you're fighting genocide,

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then some people need to be inconvenience. That was what another quotes to the

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woman said, said to me, if you see you Denver chapter, I

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believe Gerald Mueller. They're starting to have characters now they're they're the rank and

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file, won't talk to us. Oh so now they have a signed mediately,

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a sign immediate liaison. I tried to talk to one and he's like,

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well, let me talk with immediate liaison. Now we're starting to know

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who they are, and their names are being printed more prominently because they're the

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ones that are holding press conferences. All animals are equal, but some are

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more equal than others. I mean, you know that's not the most clearest

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display of that. I don't know what is so, Like I said,

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has there been any indication from these weak leaders at an area that they are

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actually going to do something or are they going to let people's graduation be canceled.

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There's no timeline. First of all, the graduation for CU Denver, at least we think we researched this properly. Denver Coliseum a rod MSU graduation

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is that also in the Denver Coliseum most of the time, Yes, sometimes

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they do it in that very Oh, sometimes they do it in the qual most of the time, as long as I can the big graduation Spring graduation

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is always the biggest coliseum as long as I can remember. Okay, so may not even be close now, timeline of police showing up if they're not

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cooperating. The only thing that you might want to take a look at is

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Community College of Denver is remote through Sunday, which they probably don't have classes.

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Maybe Saturday classes colisseum for twenty twenty four spring. Yes, keeping in

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mind, does Community College of Denver want to go remote another week? They

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have to, they have to be at finals. There is the end of

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the semester. I did ask the computer science colleague Ma Moot, he's the

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STS chapter president or co chapter president, will SeeU Denver computer science major.

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I said, well, how are your classes going? He's like, well, it's mostly projects and he's graduating in December. The other one that I

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touched is also graduating in December. But they do. But it is the

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end of the term that he he has not very many finals. He has

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more project or stuff that's due. So there's no timeline. Police that there

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is no timeline yet of any There's been nothing about the encampment has to be

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done by a certain point or else where where. There's UH sending law enforcement,

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nothing like that. But if you're going to take a look at the

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fact that Community College of Denver through May fifth is remote, the question is

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do they try and wrap it up before May fifth? I would, if

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I were in charge, first of all, erect an impenetrable fen all the

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way around the quad and refuse to let those people leave. Oh you want

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to camp out, camp out, so turning the tables. It's basically la

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siege. And then say nothing's coming in and out of this fence. Not

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a thing, not a bagel, is going to be hurled over this fence.

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If you guys want to come off the quad to get some food, where are they going to the bathroom? They have two porta potties in one

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corner of the camp. They have a sign that says unisex bathroom pointing in

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the direction. So give them the potties because you don't want them crapping all

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over the quad. But just tell them if you want to come out,

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you're coming out, but you're not coming out, and just lay siege,

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like wrap it up and say there you go. You were talking about the

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document for UCLA with the list of oh God, yes, but there seems

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to be a looser more. Are there bananas on the premises? I did

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not see bananas, but I thought I saw someone having a bagel with butter

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yesterday. And I'm not joking because I looked over there. I was like,

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is that a bagel? I didn't say you're eating Satan donuts? So,

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but some encampments may have different rules. But I did look at that

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and I was like, that's interesting. I did notice sunscreen, but I

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don't know if it's sunscreen or lotion. It's hard to tell. They had

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the banana boat on the but this is the supplies that they have, right

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right, and they are all loaded in these tents. So you know,

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you first you lay siege, then you go in and do a raid,

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and you you rate in the middle of the night, all dressed in black

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and you do a raid and take all of their stuff and then you lay

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siege again. One thing that's just watching the quid to me, that's concerning

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what happens if someone not the police wanted to do something. Now you think

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I'm talking to Rob. I mean, I'm just I'm not suggesting that anyone

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engage in violence, but a siege and a raid, I could be A

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college campus is very open. This is urban, I mean, Arad,

16:51

you know people can walk right up I do. And most importantly over the

16:55

next couple of weeks, I mean the Abs and the Nuggets directly across the

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street at ball I mean there'sn be a lot of foot traffic too. Do

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they have parties on the quad only for bigger of it because they had a

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party, wasn't Don't the teams have parties now before? Yeah, typically they'll

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be they'll be team celebrations, will be all kind of different events right there,

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because it's the main gymnasium right in front of theativity, that whole quad

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area that's more on like the pavement side next to the grass. They have

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all kinds of stuff them. Six months ago we had tan t for the

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Nuggets opening. Yeah, and that was a joyous time. And uh and

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now we're now we're back for something else. But uh, well we we

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don't have a timeline of anything. Now. Remember things are dynamic. It

17:30

could change quickly. We'll see, will monitor. I I have been absolutely

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gobsmacked by the weakness of the leadership. I'm just this is as pathetic a

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display by people allegedly an authority that I've ever seen in my life, Absolutely

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pathetic. They are operating from a position of fear, and I don't understand

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who they fear, but here we are. The one thing to consider.

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The only I would say the positive of of the leadership only is they have

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a lengthy FAQ, which has been helpful for the media because in these situations,

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especially with the social media savviness of the protesters, yea, they are

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putting up a bunch of stuff. That's the other thing I would do.

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Why don't you just bring in a cell signal blocker? Now, just throw

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in a cell signal blocker and then say, great, you're under siege. We're gonna come raid your stuff, and now we've blocked your cell phone signals.

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Depends if that will clear out this camp in ten minutes. Depends on

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if they're prepared for that or not. Well, they are prepared for some

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things. They don't have shields made out of trash cans, so are they

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even really protesting? Just don't mess up my belovedativity a beautiful building. I

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got an email from a regular listener of mine who has a picture of the

18:44

people running with the shields and it says Cantifa, and I laughed for like

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twenty five minutes because it was and someone did an NFL Films matter. I

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got that on the blog today as a matter of fact. Okay, thanks

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Rob, we got to take a break. So that's by the way, the video of the live action role play protesters that I shared yesterday that was

19:02

so hysterical has been made better by someone who did an NFL Films narration for

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it, and it is even funnier today. And that's on the blog.

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We'll be right back. The comedian that many of you may have seen on

19:15

Gutfeld and he's also got many many more more funny things that he's done,

19:19

and he's going to be at Landmarks South this weekend. Jamie Lissa, welcome

19:23

to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. So you are the

19:30

kind of comedian that I like because you do that sort of observational humor and

19:36

a lot of times I find you talk about me in a way, but

19:38

I didn't know it was me until I heard you say it. How how

19:42

did you begin? Yeah, yeah, I don't know it's me. And

19:45

then I'm like, I kind of looking around, like I'm pretty sure he's

19:48

talking about me? How did you? How did you get here? How

19:52

did you start comedy? Was it just you realize that the things you thought

19:55

about life were funnier than everybody else's. Well, that's a good question.

20:02

I honestly wanted to be a comedian since I was a little kid. I

20:07

don't know where the idea came from or where the thought came from. I

20:10

always thought it was kind of funny, but I was never the class clown or anything. And I remember like my other friends, you know, like

20:15

like one of them wanted to be a ninja and the other one wanted to

20:18

be like you know, mine was the only one that was real. I

20:22

think I grew up not knowing it was a real job, no kidding.

20:25

And I remember finding out there like oh yeah, you could actually be a comedian, and I was thinking like wow, that's so crazy. That's like

20:30

one of those little kid jobs. You could actually do it. So I

20:32

just started doing open mics, where you go on stage and try to be

20:36

funny. I think the hardest part about stand up comedy is that it's pretty

20:41

easy to be fine with your friends because you have a built in context.

20:44

Yes, they know who you are, they know what you're like, you

20:47

have all these inside jokes, and when you go on stage, no one

20:49

knows who you are, so you have a very short amount of time to

20:52

convince them that you're funny and sort of like bring them along into into the

20:57

joke and the relatability. It's when are you that about being relatable. I

21:00

started off comedy I was not relatable at all. I did really random jokes

21:06

that I thought were funny, and then one day I think I started talking about how terrible it was to go to the craft store and that just what

21:12

an awful experience that was, And that was the first time I ever felt

21:17

the entire audience relating to what I was saying. Yeah exact, I remember

21:21

sort of like folding that element into my comedy, like how great it does

21:25

Some people have been there, except the one lady in the back that was just super mad because she loves the craft store and she didn't understand why you

21:30

were picking on her. Is that what happened? Yes, I don't care

21:34

about that woman. I'm willing to sacrifice her for the betterment of the crowd.

21:40

Well, what are the things that I've seen you do? In a couple different clips? And I put a dry bar clip on the on the

21:45

blog today that didn't go to college clip where you're talking about, hey,

21:49

who's gone to college? And no one raised their hands. You know,

21:53

you're not afraid to talk about other audiences in front of a for an audience,

22:00

which I find is an interesting approach, like, hey, you guys

22:03

are great, but this last audience sucked and here's why. So I enjoyed

22:07

that. Yeah, it makes me feel SNAr right, Yeah, that's really

22:12

funny. I used to do that more than I do now. But sometimes

22:18

I called attention to the fact that as comedians we oftentimes pick a town that's

22:22

not where we are, right, Like you're sort of like picking on someone

22:26

depending on Warrior geographically. And I got to a point where I would say,

22:30

man, I was like last week I was in, uh, whatever

22:36

city, makes it funny? For you. I started switching it to call

22:41

out the fact that comedians we do kind of sometimes pick on the town that's

22:44

gonna get the biggest laugh. But yeah, I'm not afraid, Mady.

22:48

I'm not afraid to talk about some of the bad shows I've had. Do

22:51

you wanna hear? Uh? Do you wanna hear the worst bombing show I've

22:55

ever had? Absolutely? Who doesn't? Okay, this is this is a

23:00

worst experience I've ever had on stage. I got hired by this college and

23:04

it was in South Carolina or something, and it was in the summer,

23:07

and I got to the show and you're always greeted at the door by these

23:11

student activities people that put on the shows. It's students that are in charge

23:15

of booking the facility and everything and getting the crowd there. And they meet

23:18

me at the door and they say, we have horrible news. This theater

23:23

was packed ten minutes ago. There were eight hundred people in here. It's

23:26

packed, walldewall. The air conditioner broke and it immediately got swelteringly hot and

23:33

it was sweltering and everyone left and they emptied out. There's like twenty die

23:37

hard comedy fans in there. We're so sorry that you still want to do

23:41

a show, And I go, yeah, I'll do a show. I don't care. That's nobody's fault. That's fine. So I get on stage.

23:47

Wherever this was in Carolina, it's like eight o'clock at night. The

23:49

sun just went down. The windows are open because they're trying to get like

23:53

some air flowing and you know, get some kind of ventilation. There's about

23:57

fifteen people in the crowd in every time I tell a joke and it doesn't

24:02

get a really big laugh. I actually hear crickets. It's like actual,

24:11

and I was like, oh my god, this must be where it came

24:14

from. Those people bombing at the beginning of time are on a campfire.

24:18

Is that is fantastic, Absolutely fantastic. Actually I tried to do stand up

24:23

one time and this was I was like twenty and I'm old now, so

24:27

it is. It is not for the faint of heart. It is the

24:30

most unnerving experience I've ever had. And I sit behind a microphone for fifteen

24:34

hours a week. That is just tough because you've got all these blank faces

24:38

looking up at you when you're working on a set and you're trying like trying

24:44

new jokes. What is it like to try, like loft a joke that

24:48

in your mind is hilarious and then get the dull star of the dairy cow

24:52

back. Yeah, it happens, you know, it happens. And I

24:56

think as I got older and I get bored on stage very easily. So

25:00

if I tell a joke. It used to be I would have jokes that

25:03

were ten years old, you know, and I would do them and people

25:07

would last. Somewhere along the line. I think part of it was from

25:10

doing the Gutfeld Show that I do. I write brand new jokes every time

25:14

I'm on, and you do them in front of two and a half million people without ever trying them out like you did them for the first time.

25:21

The beauty of that is, though, just like in radio. I like in radio and on TV, where you kind of decide what's funny. Yeah,

25:26

you're not really asking the audience to respond at that moment. There's like

25:30

a beauty in that if you don't use it. But I think I have

25:33

definitely been there where I've thought a joke was gonna be the funniest thing ever,

25:37

and I have gotten blank stares. But I think as I've been doing

25:41

this for a while. I'm getting better at knowing. I think I got

25:45

one here, I think I got a good one here. I'm getting better

25:48

at knowing what's gonna work and what isn't. Well, there are still those

25:52

times when I'm wrong. Part of the charm of Gutfeld is that so many

25:56

of the jokes just end up with like wanh wah wah wah. But then

26:00

Greg just looks at the camera and is like, sorry, you know,

26:03

we're moving on. How did you get on? How did you get connected

26:06

with Gutfeld? Oh? Man? Good questions. So, but yeah,

26:11

there is an art to bombing. You also have to be very comfortable in

26:14

the silence. I'm very comfortable having a joke now we're going on Gutfeld because

26:18

of what I just kind of said. Do you like I just wrote these jokes. I just wrote eight minutes worth of jokes earlier today and now I'm

26:23

on TV, And so I feel like I should get a little leniency when

26:27

I get out on some people. It's really funny, like they'll go,

26:30

man, you said a joke that was kind of like that two weeks ago,

26:33

and I want to go, dude, I have been on Gutfald ninety

26:36

nine times in the last two years. I'm not that good at math right

26:40

now because I got up to it early. But like one hundred appearances times

26:44

five minutes in appearances, five hundred minutes. Like, I'm just trying my

26:47

best. I'm trying my best out there, some of them marking a land but you gotta take your shots. But I met Gutfeld. I was in

26:53

New York City twenty years ago and he was doing did you ever hear of

26:57

the show Red Eye that got Did you remember that show? Yeah? It

27:03

was a long time agoes on at three in the morning. Not a lot

27:07

of people watched it, but I had a cult following. And so he

27:10

was doing an audition to be on Red Eye. It was a Gotham comedy

27:12

club in New York City, and I was doing the audition and I was

27:15

wearing a white dress shirt, a black suit coat, and black losses.

27:21

Right, So a white dress shirt, black suitcus, black lives and I

27:25

go up, I do my set. I feel like it went pretty good. You didn't even have to be political. They just wanted comedians on.

27:30

And after the show, I was at this bar, this guy tapped her

27:33

on the shoulder and he goes, hey, man, you gotta do my

27:37

show. You're really funny. I'm great. Gutfall like, oh that's great, and I go you thought it was funny and he goes, honestly,

27:42

I had I took a link during your set and missed it. Like,

27:47

okay, why are you having me on the show? And he goes because people keep coming up to me saying that I'm really funny because they think I'm

27:52

you. And he had on a white T shirt, black suit coat,

27:56

and black glasses and that was our That was kind of our first meeting. And he was like, that's enough for me. People are telling me I'm

28:00

funny, and I do think I'm that guy, and so then he put

28:03

me on the very next week. That's hilarious. Now you can see Jamie

28:06

this weekend at Comedy Work South. His early Saturday night show has already sold

28:10

out. But if you can't see him this weekend, he also has a

28:14

new podcast out with his fiance, who is I'm just gonna say, probably

28:18

smarter than you because she's a doctor. I feel like she's probably smarter than

28:22

both of us, but it is. I put a link to it on

28:26

the blog today. If you want to check it out. What is the podcast about? Jamie? Thank you the podcast, And you're absolutely right.

28:33

I think she went to medical school for twelve years, so she has twelve

28:37

years more education than me. Wow. So the podcast is people called with

28:41

questions are afraid to ask, and then we actually answer them. It's actually

28:45

useful medical advice. It can be about anything. It could be about birth

28:49

control, it could be about you know, one guy called the other day

28:53

and he said his son had like lucky underwear because he was winning in football

28:56

and he hadn't changed him in the year, and you know, like,

29:00

what could happen to this kid? And so we give advice about that,

29:03

and then I make jokes and we just did a whole thing on I swear

29:08

it makes me feel like I'm doing a good We do get questions that I

29:11

think people are scared to ask, but there's no it's anonymous. You can

29:14

go on our Twitter page and leave a voice message, and so we play

29:17

the voice message, but we don't say your name, and we answer whatever question. If you got something that looks weird somewhere where you don't want to

29:22

tell anybody about it, we'd be happy to give you our opinion, like

29:26

we like we just talked Ody. We did all episode about birth control and

29:30

about like plan B, you know, and for me, plan B is

29:34

always when the girl ends up sleeping with me, she always have other plans.

29:37

I was the plan B. But then Erica, well, doctor Erica

29:41

will explain, like you know, how to get it if it's expensive,

29:45

how to use insurance, like what's it called? And so it's a it's

29:48

the most fun thing. I swear it's the most fun thing I do right

29:52

now. We're having so much fun. It comes out every week. It

29:56

comes out Wednesday mornings, way late for break. So I'm gonna go ahead

30:00

and cut this interview short. That it's been a joy talking with you.

30:03

I know you're going to enjoy yourself. Head to the zoo. I'm just

30:06

saying, And I will check out your podcast asap. I appreciate you making

30:08

time for me today. I love it. Thank you for the time.

30:12

I have a great rest here after you too. Thanks a lot, Bye

30:15

bye. Denver Police Chief Ron Thomas said Friday that he refused a second request

30:21

from officials at the area campus to clear pro Palestine demonstrators from an encampment after

30:26

police arrested forty five people in a tense sweep of the site last week,

30:30

and said there is currently no legal way for officers to dismantle the demonstration.

30:37

Thomas blamed Araria campus officials for mishandling the aftermath of the mass arrest last week,

30:45

saying that he'd expected the school to collect demonstrators tents to return them in

30:49

a later time, but that the school instead left the tents at the site,

30:55

allowing the demonstrators to quickly rebuild the encampment. Chief says, and as

31:00

you might imagine, they just came in and re erected the tents and we're

31:03

back at square one, at which point areary officials asked us to come back

31:08

and engage in the operation again. And that's when I shut it down and

31:11

said, I'm not doing that again. I'm not going to go in and

31:15

arrest forty now eighty because by this time the crowd has grown significantly larger,

31:19

and I didn't think it was safe, nor did I think it was appropriate

31:22

to go in and do that again. So I shut it down. So

31:26

what are we supposed to do here? I mean, genuinely, what are

31:32

we supposed to do? The protesters are now invincible, They're just going to

31:37

be able to live there forever because the police. It's what it's too scary.

31:44

Now. I recognize that the Denver police department is very, very cautious

31:48

because of everything that happened after the last time they were called in to break

31:52

up a protest and the city of Denver didn't have any of their backs and

31:56

caved to protester lawsuit after protest lawsuit. I get it, but we cannot

32:01

allow chaos to reign in our society because the police are gun shy. And

32:05

I don't mean I want them to shoot them. I mean that rhetorically,

32:07

not literally. That's insane, absolutely insane. It's insane that they didn't take

32:15

the tents down. It's insane that this is where we are and it's just

32:17

going to be this way for the near future. When we get back.

32:21

Two members from Rhino Watch join me in studio next, and I am joined

32:24

in studio by two of the contributors to the Rhino Watch Colorado page. Mark

32:30

Hampton is a steadfast Republican for forty plus years. Together with his wife,

32:35

they founded Parker Conservatives in twenty twenty one. After the rigging of the twenty

32:38

twenty presidential election, a MAGA conservative grassroots organization in Douglas County which rapidly became

32:45

the largest of its kind in the area. Their efforts focus on promoting true

32:50

grassroots conservatives, values and principles. And Julie Hayden, who is well known,

32:54

I'm guessing to my listening audience. She's been in the media here for

32:57

a very long time. She's a three time Emmy Award winning former investigative reporter

33:00

for Fox thirty one and KMGH Channel seven. She and her husband co hosted

33:05

the Chuck and Julie Grassroots Show on KOA on Saturdays and then weekdays on k

33:09

and US Radio. They now have a podcast Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays,

33:14

broadcast live at three to four at chuckanjuli dot com. Guys, welcome to

33:19

the show. Hey, thank you for having me. So I want to

33:21

start out. You know, I don't like what you're doing, so I want to just like start. We'll just cut to the chase right there.

33:25

I want to ask you, and either of you can field these questions,

33:29

either of you can feel, you can both feel the questions whatever I'm asking,

33:31

But I want to know where the definition of the perfect Republican lies.

33:37

What is it? Well, you know, if you take a look at

33:40

the definition rhino itself, it really goes to describe a person who does is

33:47

veering off the path of the Republican platform. And one of the things that

33:52

people don't understand is the platform continually changes. We're going to change right now

33:59

with Dave Williams. I need a platform here in Colorado, and that's upsetting

34:01

a lot of people. But the platform could constantly change is and what we

34:06

what we find is people that end up with the label rhino can't see the

34:10

change or don't want to change. They want to hold fast to something twenty

34:15

years ago. What is it though, that I'm asking for a definition?

34:20

Well, what you're talking about there, Well, definition of a non rhino

34:24

Republican. Non rhino Republican would be somebody who say, supports the Republican presidential

34:30

nominee Donald Trump. Of a non rhino would be somebody who supports the duly

34:37

elected chairperson of the Colorado Republican Party Dave Williams, who supports, as Mark

34:43

said, the party platform, who is not so obsessed with hanging on with

34:46

their fingernails to a little bit of power and money that remain out there that

34:51

they're willing to trash everybody else. What's interesting, Mandy and Mark, you

34:54

hit on this is the rhinos like to pretend that we the grassroots activist,

35:00

the fringe rat goal group, and it's just the opposite. The fringe grass

35:05

roots are no longer fringe. They're the majority of the Republican Party, not

35:08

just in Colorado but across the country. And look at Donald Trump's popularity.

35:12

Do you know the latest Emery Pole Emery University pol has Donald Trump in Colorado

35:16

behind Joe Biden by just four points. Donald Trump is an enormously popular figure

35:22

to the average and the majority of the Republican Party. It's the rhinos who

35:27

say, oh no, he's it's about the people that are in charge.

35:30

Or because I have a feeling that you guys were not thrilled with with KDB

35:36

with Christy Burton Brown, Well, Chuck and Julie supported Christy Burton Brown initially

35:40

and then she became captured. I don't know if I was always part of

35:44

the plan by what I call the anschutz media industrial complex and the donor class.

35:49

Let's see, you're moving the goalposts, and this is where I have

35:51

an issue you you've already said, Oh, it's it's moving, it's flowing,

35:54

it's it's all of these things. But when you move the goalpost to

35:58

say, the people who support leadership are good Republicans, but we supported her,

36:01

but then we didn't, So were you or rhino when you didn't support

36:05

the leadership? You see what I'm saying. There's a lot of shit to

36:08

the rhino, Okay, and I would disagree a little bit. Rhino is

36:12

somebody who I want to know the reactual. I want to know the Republican

36:16

definition, because if you're going to say someone is a Republican in name only,

36:21

that I want to know the definition of what you view as the proper

36:25

role or the proper way to be a Republican because without that, Rhino doesn't

36:30

mean anything. Well, you know what I would say is what I said

36:35

that a Republican in name only is somebody who says, oh, I'm a

36:38

Republican because I like Ronald Reagan and I espouse Ronald Reagan views. But I

36:44

hate Donald Trump, and I hate Dave Williams, and I hate Lauren Bolbert.

36:47

Those are the people, and it's not just the leadership. Those people

36:51

were elected by Republicans. But do you know why they dislike these people?

36:57

If you go back to what I have always thought as a person who grew

37:00

up in my dad was to the right of Rush Limbaugh. I mean,

37:04

he was staunchly conservative. There are things like family values that used to matter.

37:07

There are things like character that used to matter. There are things like

37:13

fiscal responsibility, which if that is part of the Republican platform, now,

37:15

then Donald Trump is a rhino because he was not fiscally conservative at all when

37:20

he was in office. He just exploded the deficit even before COVID happened.

37:23

So there's a lot of different and I'm looking for how to check this.

37:28

Well, what the point is I think in the point of Rhino Watch was

37:31

that the grassroots activists felt a collective group of us, that there was really

37:37

no voice for us, that the media, the websites are controlled either by

37:42

lefties like the Denver Post, or again by like the antshoots industrial media complex.

37:46

Wh've got Colorado politics, Colorado's son complete Colorado. They all what I

37:51

call cross pollinate each other, right, they all go back and forth and

37:53

back and forth, and there was no other side. I'm going to give

37:57

you an example, because I just this morning and I I mean, I

37:59

didn't plan this right this morning in the Colorado Sun. This is the headline

38:02

in the Colorado Sun. Colorado GOP chairman angers candidates. County Republican leaders with

38:08

primary endorsement in Colorado politics. GOP congressional candidate Gave Evans and Stephen Verrella snub

38:15

state party endorsement questionnaire complete Colorado Republicans rejecting state GOP endorsement scheme all wise,

38:22

I mean, no, no, it isn't. They're all lies, Mandy.

38:24

I was at the Assembly. There are handful of county Republican leaders who

38:30

don't like the questionnaire, but hundreds of them voted at the State Assembly for

38:36

it. So those ails are misleading. Complete. We're doing. We're away

38:38

from what I wanted the conversation to be, which is, if you believe

38:44

that Republican ideals and conservative ideals are right for Colorado, you are wasting a

38:47

tremendous amount of time with a very petty, in my opinion, website that

38:52

does nothing to get Republicans elected. Zero. Are you kidding me? Look

38:58

at the candidates. We've got larn Bobert, who's probably going to win You've got Dave Williams, who's probably gonna win. You know, Jave Wims has

39:05

rigged the entire Republican Party for his own game. And I'm glad you mentioned

39:09

that because that was something else they wanted to call you out on. You

39:13

guys all breathlessly interviewed Kelly Maher when she filed the Federal Election Commission complained against

39:17

Dave. Right, Yeah, oh, absolutely, because I think she's right.

39:21

Do you know what you failed to mention the Kelly Mahr and the people

39:23

who helped her file that report are involved with a connected to the Bible Praise

39:29

Pioneer Action Committee. But just a few years ago, Maddie was convicted of

39:32

the worst campaign finance. Your strategy is to smear Kelly, who I call

39:38

a very close personal friend. Yet nothing against Kelly you just did. You

39:42

just smeared her by attacking her, by her, by attaching her to an

39:47

organization she attached herself. She is not attached to that organization. I have

39:52

had a long conversation with Kelly about where she's coming from. Who are her

39:55

lawyers. Her lawyers are the people that are helping her get money to do

39:59

that. But this did not start, because it came from somewhere else. Her lawyers are the ones who set up the original architecture for the Pioneer Action

40:06

Committee that again was fined. Wait but but are you saying that she's the

40:12

same or are you saying she has used the same attorneys. What I'm saying

40:15

is none of you asked her that question. No one asked that question.

40:19

Because attorneys have different clients. They may have a similar situation. But you

40:23

just implied she is attached to an organization that got fined for someone there was

40:27

a spokesperson for the group. She's been a long time establishment spokesperson. People

40:31

move on, Julie, okay, but none of people move on to other

40:34

stuffs. See, you're you're proving my point, Mandy. You don't want

40:37

to hear it. You don't want to say. You know what, Julie, maybe I should have asked her that. But Julie, here's the thing.

40:42

Kelly and I had conversations before she even got this started, so I

40:45

know exactly where she's coming from. I know exactly where her heart is, you know where her rational where's her money, money is, wherever it comes

40:51

from. Because it doesn't matter, she's not guided by that money. No,

40:54

she's not guided by that money. Nothing has changed with Kelly's entire purpose

41:00

since she started this entire thing, nothing has changed. No matter who gives

41:05

her money, nothing has changed. The same goal is to get the craziness

41:10

out of politics, both on the right and the left. Because right now

41:15

we have the leader of the Republican Party has thrown all precedent out the window.

41:20

It is out the window. He has now sent out a questionnaire that is absolutely absurd, asking candidates who they voted for in twenty sixteen and twenty

41:29

seven. Demanding absolute fealty to Donald Trump is a way to get elected in

41:35

Colorado, where he's not even up here. He lost by fourteen points in

41:38

the last election cycle. He four down, four down. He's still down,

41:44

Julie, but he's still the Republicans. Would you either have a Democrat

41:47

in office or a Republican that you may be able to work with but disagree

41:51

on some issues? You mean, like Liz Cheney. Okay, no, she's not running here. As far as I know, ken Buck was better

41:58

than Diana to get Would you argue that, I mean, no, I

42:01

would agree with you on that. Okay, so much? What you're doing

42:05

is all tearing down the people that those who may not agree with everything.

42:09

You tear them down when they may be able to get elected, when otherwise

42:14

people will not. And you can choose safe districts, you can choose the fourth which, by the way, I'm in the fourth and I'm knocking on

42:19

doors for anybody but Lauren Bobert. Anybody? Why because Lauren is, first

42:23

of all, not someone that is representative of the kind of person I want

42:29

representing me in office. Why not? Because I think she's what? I think she's a poor character. What does that mean? It means that she

42:35

groped her date in a in an open theater after she was vaping, and

42:38

then lied about it. That is low character. I mean anybody who ever

42:43

grow up, somebody, as far as you're concerned, in a movie,

42:45

but a member of Congress in a public theater, vaping in a public theater,

42:51

being asked not to, and then lying about it until the video came

42:53

out, that is low character. When you do something wrong, you step

42:58

up and take responsibility for it and say, wow, I'm super embarrassed.

43:01

But she didn't do that, So what do you think about her policies?

43:05

Are the way she goes. Policies are fantastic, but you know what,

43:07

there's other candidates in that race that would do the exact same thing, the

43:10

exact same thing. I just wait, so you're talking about if you know,

43:15

you're talking about character, Let's talk about your friend Debah Flora's character.

43:20

Me. Yeah, you know, she sat in front of multiple groups and

43:23

said, I'm going to go through assembly or I plan that's the new key

43:27

word, I plan to go through assembly. Yeah, and that the last

43:30

minute she says, you know what, I'm not going to go through assembly.

43:35

I've already got my signatures and I don't think I can basically said,

43:39

I don't think I can get ten percent at assembly, because that's all she

43:44

would have had to do is to get that to clear the hurdle. She

43:47

wouldn't even know that that game as that character. What's lying? Yeah,

43:54

basically line you are absolute. Let's just let's just cop to that. Deborah

43:59

Flora lied about going to the Assembly because after careful consideration, she decided that

44:05

she didn't want to deal with a process that was led by Dave Williams.

44:07

I have no problem with you. I mean, I die. That's not quite accurate what she did is she lied in order to get to peak to

44:13

speak in front of groups like Mars. She didn't. She had no intention

44:15

of going through this. Does it matter if you go through the assembly or

44:19

do the other legal process, which is to petition onto the ballot. What's

44:22

the problem with that? We support the state position. The state position is

44:27

is if you want time as well as our county position dCGP is you have

44:30

to go through Assembly or the state. Why because why is that the policy?

44:34

I'm asking that question. We put time into the process and we don't

44:37

want people just thumbing their nose at us. We put in our hard time.

44:43

Nobody pays us to put in time to help run the local GOP,

44:47

and this is our vetting process to get in front of people to tell why

44:52

you should be elected. And they're just saying, you know what, we'll

44:54

just pay somebody and get signatures in front of King Supers. Well, then

44:59

go ballot. Good. Then they have to convince the voters. But they

45:01

start to convince the voters in the primary. You're falling for the Democrat trick

45:06

because the Democrats want to get rid of us. I've been through my local

45:09

caucus. I did it all, I hated it. When I did it.

45:13

I think it is designed to reward party insiders. And I'm not saying

45:16

that party insiders don't deserve some kind of recognition, because I appreciate the fact

45:22

that they are the ones that keep the whole machine going. So I want to make it clear that I'm not denigrating anyone who goes into and works on

45:29

this process, because we need all of those people to make everything work,

45:32

but to create a situation where a vast majority of Republicans cannot participate because they

45:39

either have jobs, they've got kids, They've got all these other responsibilities that

45:44

would prevent them from being a part of this very exclusive click. Like how

45:49

do the Way party for everything? That's not an exclusive click at all.

45:51

I mean, I go to all of our county meetings and if somebody say

45:54

couldn't do it, they could certainly. It is the caucus system, and

45:58

the assembly of system is really what is at the heart of what makes America

46:02

work. It is the neighborhoods. You talk about character, well, who

46:06

knows better somebody's character than their neighbors, right and their friends. It is

46:08

the heart of the American political system. It's the Neighborhood's not the rigal voters

46:13

guide. No, but it's only participated by a fraction, A tiny minuscule

46:17

fraction of registered voters participate in the Assembly. So it's the exact opposite.

46:22

It is a group of people getting together deciding for everyone else who they get

46:28

to vote for. That's the exact opposite of a participatory you know, a

46:32

democracy, which is the cornerstone of our republic. I mean, it's like,

46:37

I get where you're coming from from the people that are doing the work.

46:40

I understand that, and I too would be frustrated. Honestly, I

46:43

would be frustrated if I heard that and then said we're gonna do We're gonna throw this big party and then they're not coming. But the system itself,

46:50

the caucus system itself, is not doable for a vast majority of people.

46:53

Well, it could be, and I think part of it is because again

46:57

a lot of the establishment people and rhinos, when it takes so much physically

47:01

time. We used to do it, We used to do it all the

47:05

time. This new election system in Colorado market you may have your dates better

47:07

than me. It's relatively new, all pushed by Democrats, and it starts

47:13

again with people who know each other, they get together, they have common

47:15

thoughts, common ideas, common family veils, all of that kind of stuff,

47:20

and then they select people who are going to go represent their views. Then and then and it goes up and up and up. Everyone can participate.

47:27

They've just made it. And by they I mean the establishment because they

47:30

don't like it. So in your system where the only way you know about

47:35

somebody is that they have the money to advertise, and the caucus system you

47:37

know about the people because all the candidates come and they talk, and you

47:42

can sit there and ask questions and you can make your own decision. Otherwise,

47:45

the only way you get to decide it's through advertising. You can advertise

47:47

point with money. The sheer amount of time. All of this stuff happens

47:52

back when we were a nine to five society. When people went to work at nine, they got home at five. Maybe they were one income household,

47:59

so there was somebody else gotta keep the fires burning. The complaint I

48:01

get the most about the assembly system is that they don't have time to participate.

48:06

It was one Saturday. Well wait a minute, that's the district.

48:10

Well, you guys, if you want to argue about this, then you

48:14

can bring all the Republicans out, you can just tell them they have time.

48:17

Just tell them they're just whining. They have time. This is my

48:21

point. You guys have created a little cabal that you are deciding who's Republican

48:24

enough and who's not. Christy Burton Brown was Republican enough, then she wasn't.

48:29

Does she even know what she did to become not Republican enough? Yeah, she screwed over the collar out of Republican Party. You never talk about

48:35

this either. You guys all talk about an attack Dave Williams over the financing.

48:38

Do you know Christy Burton Brown. You should read rhinowatch dot com under

48:42

financial scandal. Okay, you'll explain all this to you. Christy Burton Brown

48:45

told the Color Out of the Republican Party before she was leaving that there was

48:49

one hundred thousand dollars in the account, right. Only guess what they found

48:52

out when they got there. It was gone. You know why it was gone because Christy Burton Brown and all those people pay themselves tens of thousands of

48:59

dollars in onus is coming out the door. The other reason it was gone.

49:01

They also took credit cards with them and were continuing to charge on those

49:06

credit cards hundreds of dollars charged with fraud and they are looking into that.

49:09

Did you report that there should be fraud? Well, you know, do

49:13

you have on rhino watch the money that Dave Williams pays himself out of the

49:16

Colorado Republican Party coffers, not the money that they have paid other people that

49:22

are also officers. So the way to not coming in. Oh so it's

49:27

not as much as it was. So that's rhino e not rhino enough.

49:30

No, this is my problems to lead you guys just randomly decide what meets

49:35

the standard or whatnot because the slavish devotion to Donald Trump ignores so much stuff.

49:40

Where he is policy wise, I agree with a lot of it,

49:44

but when we look at some of these squishy areas where he's political about abortion.

49:49

Now, if you don't agree, if you agree a six week abortion

49:52

ban is good, that's not the position that Donald Trump has. So does

49:54

that evolve? Is that not republican? Is it republican? This is why

49:59

I'm looking for a herd definition of where the barriers are, and I'm not

50:01

going to give you one because it is not that simple. Okay, again,

50:05

that's what you guys want to do so, then you can turn it around and twist our words and say ha ha, And that's so I'm not

50:08

going to do that. I am telling you that. But Rhino Watches it's

50:13

a collective of grassroots people who said we don't have a voice and we need

50:16

a voice. And we have been astonished at the reaction that people say,

50:21

please put this up, please put this up. We have contributors all the

50:23

time, some of them want to be anonymous, some of them don't,

50:27

but there was a sense that they did not have a voice. And I

50:30

guess sometimes the way I tell people is if you have to ask what a

50:34

rhino is, and you're probably a rhino because otherwise what you say, mark

50:36

people, no right, that is that is I'm sorry. That is the

50:40

lamest dodge that you could possibly if you if you know, you know,

50:46

we know, we we've scoped it out, we know. Why are you

50:50

so upset about it? Because it's super frustrating that you've got these nebulous guidelines

50:53

that only you guys know, nobody else knows. So no, no,

50:58

you just said, if you know you know, well, I'm asking because

51:00

I don't know, I'm asking for specifics, because there are people on that

51:05

wall of shame that I happen to know are solid, solid conservative people.

51:10

Kelly Maher, Kelly ma come gum pro what else from the antutes media industrial

51:16

comp Oh my god. Oh, I'm talking about policy. I'm talking about

51:20

principles. I'm talking about ideal. Who do you think or why do you

51:23

think Phil Anschute spends so much money because he wants to get his policies and

51:28

his procedures out there. Do you think if Kelly mar decided to that? You know what? Actually, I like Donald Trump and I'm gonna support Donald

51:32

Trump, and I'm gonna go against Iguadams on Donald Trump. Do you think

51:37

she would still be the spokesperson? I don't. Yes, yes I do,

51:40

Actually, I absolutely do. I know Kelly very very very well.

51:45

And it's almost it's laughable to hear you guys sit here and talk about her

51:52

like some machiavellian genius who's that on destroying the Republican Party when rhight a watch

52:00

in its very existence has to be the best gift for the Democratic Party there

52:05

ever was. I'm sure you guys have both read the blueprint, right right?

52:08

Okay, so you've read the blue Where in the blueprint does it say

52:12

and now we create an organization that just attacks for Democrats. Well, let's

52:15

talk about again. All of us answer the question. No where it doesn't

52:19

say that anywhere. And you know what, even the Democrats that are whack

52:22

a doodle crazy are still supported by their party because they understand that numbers are

52:27

power and they'd rather get people selected and then deal with the numbers of the

52:30

battle of the majority. Why don't you guys support David Williamson? Why?

52:34

I think he is a printer. I think he is. You the political

52:37

party you you just said that you should support the person no matter what.

52:44

So I said, why don't you support Dave Williams? And you rattled off all the reasons you don't. I'm not supporting Dave Williams because I don't think

52:50

he should win. Okay, r Democrats win because they support even the whack

52:54

of doodles. They don't endorse in the primaries though, do they? No,

53:00

they don't. Next to Endoor here answering the question, now, you know what, I should have been clear, whoever is in the general election

53:05

get support. But what we're doing in the Republican Party right now by endorsing

53:09

in the primaries is unprecedented. It's unfair. Who even created the questionnaire?

53:15

It was pickets to decide where the quessionaires come in. Almost overwhelmed, almost

53:19

unanimously voted on. I've got those pesky people at the Assembly that you say,

53:22

no one has time to go to. So maybe if people don't like

53:25

the process, they should go to the Assembly. Julie Hayden and Mark Hampton.

53:29

I appreciate you guys coming in today. I'm late for a break. I staunchly disagree with everything you're doing. I mean, I'm sure you're going

53:36

to continue to do it. Put me on the wall. I don't care. I find you. I find that a Republican. Are you I am,

53:39

Yes, I am a Republican, So put me on the wall.

53:43

I don't care how a freaking T shirt maid and fundraise for Kelly Maher's Super

53:45

Pac with it. So I think what you're doing is defeatist. I think

53:50

it is the equivalent of a middle school slam book on the internet. And

53:54

I wish you would stop. I wish you would put your efforts into attacking

53:58

the Democrats that are running this day right now and continuing to run it into

54:01

the ground because you obviously have passion. Maybe you always have fire mentioned that

54:06

to Kelly mar Then, rather than filing an FC complaint against Dave Williams,

54:09

why doesn't she take her super pac money and support the Republican candidates. Oh,

54:13

she will, but that's not what the supervac is for. The supervac is to make sure that the Republican Party is not being taken over in a

54:20

way that benefits one man more than everybody else. And that's what's happening right

54:23

now, benefit the establishment in the Unit Party. Okay, well, agree

54:28

to disagree. I appreciate you guys coming in today. All right, we'll be back. I do like this comment. When did this become the reincarnation

54:34

of the Morton Downey Junior Show. That's a throwback right there that I really

54:37

like it. I've got so many text messages I have to go back and

54:40

open up more in my window, but I want to just share a few

54:44

of them, like this one. Mandy. That segment with Colorado Rhino Watch

54:49

was awesome. Thank you for asking tough questions. I'm Republican and involved with

54:52

my HD and went to Assembly and so many of us are so tired of

54:57

the internal party bickering by them deciding who is Republican enough. There were many

55:02

of us at Assembly who booed Dave and don't like this ideology of theirs.

55:07

Well, apparently not enough, not enough. So there you go. This

55:13

person said, So, what I learned is I'm a Republican if I agree

55:17

with her constantly changing standard, and if I have to ask what that standard

55:22

is, I'm a rhino, got it? So there you go. A

55:25

lot of people are just saying that's such a counterproductive effort and things of that

55:30

nature. So yeah, yeah, anyway, this one, the attitude of

55:36

your guest is exactly the reason that I am no longer a Republican after forty

55:38

years as a solid Reagan Conservative, I won't vote for anyone backed by the

55:44

Dave Williams arm of the party. So if you're apparently Reagan Republicans are bad

55:49

now, and I don't know when that happened. I don't know why we

55:53

shouldn't hang on to the ideals that saw a boom while he was president.

56:00

You know, I don't know, But anyway, we're gonna move on.

56:04

I do appreciate them coming on and having that conversation, but We've got to

56:07

talk about something more fun, and that is this. The Denver Gazette is

56:12

reporting that well, Denver Or Mayor Mike Johnston was on a podcast, the

56:20

City Cast Denver podcast. He was asked by the hosts about the Do Better

56:24

Denver Instagram account. Now, I've talked about Do Better Denver so many times,

56:30

and I follow them and I share a lot of their stuff on Instagram. They show videos of homeless addicts doing what homeless addicts do, walking around

56:39

completely strung out of their mind, sitting on street corners smoking meth or whatever,

56:44

fentanyl or whatever they're smoking out of their little glass pipes. And they

56:50

show this on Do Better Denver, and they have taken to calling Mike Johnston

56:55

meth Caamp Mike, hashtag meth Camp Mike. And they asked about that,

57:01

and Mayor Mike Johnston said he doesn't waste his time with an anonymous social media

57:06

account. He said, I just don't pay attention to those folks. To

57:08

that folk like I'm happy to have talk to real individuals who want to come

57:14

to town halls and have real conversations or want to meet with us folks that

57:17

hide behind anonymous accounts and cast dispersions. It's cast aspersions. Maybe it was

57:22

miss Anyway, without information doesn't bother me or waste my time. So I

57:29

you know, I found that kind of interesting because they have been pretty relentless,

57:37

pretty relentless. Then the Denver Gazette goes on to talk about Johnston,

57:43

saying feedback from them talking about city residents I take very seriously. So if

57:47

I talk to a business owner who's worried about crime and their business, we'll

57:51

get on it right away. Well, that's not happening at South Broadway,

57:55

and Denver Gazette right reminds us that the owner of a bed breakfast on South

58:00

Broadway said that Denver is literally falling into the second ring of hell. We

58:05

are under siege. So there you go. Asked when he feels pressure,

58:12

ask if he feels pressure from influential social media accounts like do Better Denver or

58:15

their followers. He dismissed the notion. No. I think we feel pressure

58:21

to deliver results for Denver Rights, and that's been our commitment. And I

58:24

think when we look at results, you know, we've moved fifteen hundred people

58:28

off the streets into housing. That's what we heard from the White house more

58:31

than any other city in American history has done in this amount of time.

58:37

And yep, ninety five percent of those folks are still successfully housed, he

58:43

continued, But he knows about him, because I guess he didn't answer.

58:45

I'm not familiar with that. I don't know. I have no idea.

58:50

The mayor has been taken a little bit of a beating lately. I actually

58:52

I talked about it earlier last week when he came to speak to the area

58:57

protesters and they called him a fascist, which is so funny. He's honestly

59:02

the worst fascist ever if he's a fascist. But on the blog today,

59:07

Hey, Ronner, you like deep in the Charlie Kirk rabbit hole right now

59:10

because you've given me so much Charlie Kirk baly so Charlie Kirk. I actually

59:16

like Charlie Kirk. But sometimes he goes, he takes that extra step round,

59:21

like pull it back, Charlie, pull it back. You'll get to

59:24

one. You'll get to one where he just he goes a little too far,

59:29

and then you know, trust me, you'll find one if you're deep

59:32

into the Charliekirk rabbit hole. I don't have it. I don't have an

59:36

example, he says something that is a little too outside the balance of what

59:44

you would say his normal discourse is okay, like he pushes the envelope like

59:49

a little too far on an issue, trying to I think, mostly trying

59:51

to make a point. But when you're a conservative, you don't get the

59:55

luxury of being able to use hyperbole to make a point, because then that

1:00:01

one snippet of you saying that one thing out of context is used to make

1:00:06

you a Nazi, you know what I mean. And I always I worry a little bit like Charlie, they're not gonna give the whole context of what

1:00:12

you're saying. But that being said, we have a video today on the

1:00:15

blog where Charlie Kirk is talking to a young skullfull of mush. He steps

1:00:21

up to the microphone and forcefully calls Charlie Kirk a fascist, and Charlie Kirk

1:00:25

just says, what have I done? That's fascist? And the guy literally

1:00:29

was like, eh man, I don't know, I don't know, so

1:00:39

it was it was. It was kind of fun. Charlie Kirk has grown

1:00:44

a lot of trees from how many youngin's he is stumped. Yes, interesting,

1:00:47

we've got to blog today. Yeaheah, we got two on the blog

1:00:52

today. You should watch both of them. They're both buried, very very

1:00:54

good one of them. You know what, when we get back, I'm

1:00:58

gonna play it because it's that good. Talking about why he goes to college

1:01:00

campuses where he knows that a vast majority of the kids disagree with him,

1:01:06

and a kid just basically said why are you here? And the answer is

1:01:09

incredibly good. We'll do that next. If you're not familiar with Charlie Kirk,

1:01:13

he is a young guy. He is incredibly smart, very well versed,

1:01:17

and he spends his time going around to college campuses. Not with the

1:01:22

whatever proved me wrong sign. That's not him, that's Stephen Crowder. But

1:01:25

uh, he does have that prove me wrong? Sign? Does he really?

1:01:29

Yeah? I think so. I think I'm standing behind him. Okay, maybe I thought that was a Stephen Crowder gig, that that was his

1:01:34

thing. But nonetheless, so Charlie Kirk goes to campuses and he stands up

1:01:37

and he talks to students, and sometimes it can be quite confrontational. Warming

1:01:42

a good point. I don't think your referenced. He does do a similar

1:01:45

sign. So like, tell me how I don't do this, but yeah, Charlie has the same one. Okay, there you go. This is

1:01:50

an exchange from a student who had a very specific question for Charlie Kirk.

1:01:55

I'm sorry, I don't I told you any from here who nice to make

1:01:59

you. Okay, I'm going to ask that question a lot. First of

1:02:02

all, that question should not even have to be asked. But when people

1:02:05

stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking. Divorce happens,

1:02:10

when civilizations stop talking, civil war in suits. When you stop having

1:02:14

a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to

1:02:17

want to commit violence against that group. What we as a culture have to

1:02:21

get back to is being I have to have reasonable disagreement where violence is not

1:02:24

an option. I think that's not emotional You know, how is this?

1:02:28

What is emotional violence? By the way, I don't know what that is. It is harm intentionally perfectrad a another person, another human being that is

1:02:36

intentionally for you, not their emotional healthness. Okay, so feelings mean nothing

1:02:38

to me? Isn't why we have the First Amendment to try to push our

1:02:43

boundaries and to hear things that might make you mildly uncomfortable. This doesn't make

1:02:47

them, doesn't make me very uncomfortable as angry. He's absolutely right. That's

1:02:53

why we have to keep talking. You've got to see mercury, bless his

1:02:57

little heart, just bless him, is piercing through all this, like in

1:03:00

your face and stuff. I don't understand the piercing in the face thing.

1:03:07

It just looks painful to me. And like what happens if you're pulling your sweater over your head and it gets caught. I mean what that just sounds

1:03:13

awful, you know. But I'm not a piercing person. No, it's

1:03:17

not a thing I'm gonna do. But Charliekirk is right. These are the

1:03:22

kind of conversations that we need to have. And he's also emotional violence is

1:03:25

not a thing you guys. I mean verbal verbally attacking someone. You can

1:03:34

verbally attack someone, but emotional violence is just another made up word that people

1:03:40

use to to shut down other people. Right, That's what it's all about.

1:03:46

If you say something I don't like, and I say that is emotional

1:03:50

violence. The goal there is to shut down the speech you don't like.

1:03:54

It's why they call everything a hate speech. Or remember We went through a

1:03:58

period not too long ago, several years ago, where we would see all

1:04:02

of these left wingers and you would say something like, Wow, it's a

1:04:05

really nice day today, and they would figure out some way to make that

1:04:10

a racist statement. Yeah, if you're a white supremacist, it's a nice

1:04:14

day, but people of color, they don't have a nice day today.

1:04:17

I mean, it was it was so absurd. This is just another version

1:04:20

of that. So yeah, it's but Charlie Kirk is right, and a

1:04:26

Rod's gonna keep feeding me Charlie Kirk for the for the website, so you'll

1:04:29

be getting more of him. We got to get you some more conservative thinkers.

1:04:33

There's some very interesting people out there in conservative circles to do such an

1:04:38

incredible job of clearly articulating the positives. And I always think, like,

1:04:44

why can't the Republican Party adopt some of those talking points, adopt some of

1:04:49

those strategies to explain why conservative policies are better for the long term for everyone

1:04:59

when you get right down to it. You know, our interview with Doris

1:05:01

Kurns good when yesterday. I'm a big fan of hers, but there's no

1:05:04

doubt that Doris Kurns Goodwin leans to the left, okay, And in her

1:05:08

interview, I thought there was multiple times when she was talking about things that

1:05:12

they quote accomplished in the sixties. I didn't press her because I thought that

1:05:18

would have been rude, and we were talking about her books, and that

1:05:20

was fine. But when you look back at the quote accomplishments of the sixties,

1:05:27

they have us in incredible debt. They have destroyed the nuclear family in

1:05:32

the black community almost completely. They have led us to a place now where

1:05:38

we are so devoid of religion. And I'm not saying that we should have

1:05:42

a theocracy by any stretch of the imagination, but we are so devoid of

1:05:45

religion that children and young people are setting up tents on campus for a sense

1:05:50

of community that they used to get from faith. They did not improve society,

1:05:57

even though they truly and honestly believe that's what they were doing. And

1:06:01

I don't want to go back to the days when we had Jim Crow and

1:06:03

we had separate water fountains. I'm glad about a lot of the things that

1:06:08

happened in the sixties that are a net positive, which the Civil Rights Act

1:06:11

ensuring that everyone in the country is treated equally and we are living up to

1:06:15

the ideals that we put forth in the Constitution. Is really important to me.

1:06:18

But man, I wish we could have people who articulate as well as

1:06:23

Charlie Kirkham some of the other young people that are out there. Now.

1:06:26

When we get back, we got the two minute drill, and then we're

1:06:29

going to have a super nerdy conversation about the balanced budget amendment that must happen

1:06:33

if we are to save the United States of America. I am about to

1:06:36

take you down a list of Disney movies from the nineteen seventies that is going

1:06:41

to warm your heart. I had forgotten about so many of these movies,

1:06:45

and so many of them starred Kurt Russell. And oh he was so dreamy,

1:06:49

dreamt he was. I mean, he's still dreaming. I'm not that

1:06:53

man is aging beautifully. I he is pretty old. Now. I'm not

1:06:58

saying that I'm going to add him to the same level as Tom Sellick,

1:07:03

but he's like, I mean, he's bumping up against me. Have you

1:07:06

seen his son Wyatt pretty handsome? No? I have not very much so,

1:07:10

but Kurt Russell anyway, let me go back and do this I'm just

1:07:14

gonna say some names from the movies of the nineteen seventies and a rod These

1:07:16

were glorious and a vast majority of them, some of them are animated,

1:07:20

but a vast majority of them are live action movies. The Aristocrats, of

1:07:25

course, a phenomenal movie. Then we got to scroll down because some of

1:07:29

these bed knobs and broomsticks, which was half animated, have like The Million

1:07:33

Dollar Duck with seeing Andy Duncan and Dean Jones, the Barefoot Executive. Now

1:07:39

you see him, now you don't, Kurt Russell, Caesar Romero, Joe

1:07:42

Flynn, come on, Jim Beckis who played mister Magoo Snowball Express. When

1:07:47

John bexter inherits a ski resort in the Rocky Mountains, he quits his job

1:07:50

in New York and moves west to run it, only to find his estate

1:07:55

in a state of total dilapidation and Chay Austin Zoos Robin Hood, the original

1:08:00

Robin Hood animated film came out in the seventies. Super Dad, One Little

1:08:04

Indian, The World's Greatest Athlete, another fantastic movie. Herbie Rides Again,

1:08:11

The Castaway Cowboy, The Island at the Top of the World, The Apple

1:08:14

Dumpling Gang, The Strongest Man in the World, also starring Kurt Russell,

1:08:18

Escape to Witch Mountain, The Boy You Talked To Badgers, Gus with the

1:08:23

Donkey, Remember Gus? That was Ed Asner, Don Knotts, The Shaggy

1:08:28

Da another excellent film. Freaky Friday with Jody Foster, No Deposit, No

1:08:33

Return another classic David Niven, Darren McGavin and Don Knots. Oh my gosh,

1:08:39

so many of these good movies. Herbie goes to Monte Carlo, remember

1:08:43

that when he was gonna be in the Monte Carlo Brandt Grand Prix, Pete's Dragon. Oh, They're so the Rescuers. That was such a good movie.

1:08:51

I saw that on my eighth birthday. Literally on my eighth birthday,

1:08:56

we went to the movies. Just fantastic. Candleshoe, another Jodie Foster classic,

1:09:01

The Cat from Out of Space Returned to Which Mountain? Hot Lead,

1:09:04

gold Feet, The Apple Double, The Game Rides Again. Oh my god,

1:09:08

so good you guys. And in nineteen seventy nine the original Muppet movie

1:09:11

comes out. We lived through the Glory Years Jed XH. He lost me

1:09:15

there. We lived through them what? Yeah? The Muppets are. I'm

1:09:18

sorry, wait for last over? There are you? The Muppets are?

1:09:21

What are you? Any Muppets aren't good? I'm sorry? What just not

1:09:26

all the specials? Everything Muppets? No, nope, never been in Muppets.

1:09:30

I don't, I don't. I I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry.

1:09:33

You like that? Not even Animal? You don't even like Animal,

1:09:36

Sam the Eagle, No, Miss Piggy nothing, Kermit. You don't like

1:09:41

Kermit? I mean no, I mean like Kermit, sweetish chef anything?

1:09:44

Is that easy? Being green? You know, I'm about it. But you know the Beaker whatever, Yeah, I mean Beaker doesn't talk much.

1:09:53

He's not the scientist, but he's a perfect kind of example of what the

1:09:56

Muppets are. Kind of there to the people who are sending me nineteen seventies

1:10:00

poor no movies, I'm not reading those on the air. No, we're

1:10:04

not doing that. That is not a thing that's happening. I'm going down

1:10:09

memory lane into my childhood and you're sending me obscenities. That is not nice,

1:10:14

not nice at all. Anyway, when we get back, we got

1:10:18

another guest coming on the show today, and he is from an organization that

1:10:21

Rhino Watch hates so Americans for prosperity, God forbid. We want America to

1:10:28

be prosperous. We're going to talk to Kurt Couchman about a balanced budget amendment.

1:10:31

And this is something that you guys know how I feel like I'm pessimistic

1:10:39

about where we're heading in this country in terms of what's going to happen next

1:10:42

with the enormous debt that we have right now and when what that's going to

1:10:46

do to squeeze out everything else. When our debt service payments get even bigger.

1:10:51

Right now, they outstrip what we spend on military spending. So we

1:10:55

have to balance the budget. We have to do something about the deficit,

1:10:59

and to do it soon, or we're going to suffer the same fate as

1:11:01

all who've gone before us. And the only way to kurtail spending with any

1:11:05

real, you know, merit is to force politicians to live within their means.

1:11:14

And we're going to talk to Kurt Couchman about that next. Keep it right here on KOA. You may have heard the interview with the folks from

1:11:20

the Convention of States talking about the need for a balanced budget amendment. Well,

1:11:24

my next guest is with Americans for Prosperity, and Kurt Couchman has written

1:11:29

a very detailed, very easy to understand paper about the Balance Budget Amendment,

1:11:34

what it looks like, what the drawbacks might be, what some of the

1:11:38

resistance might come from. So I thought i'd bring Kurt on and let him

1:11:41

tell you about it in case you are too lazy to read it yourself,

1:11:44

because let's be real, Kurt, people are lazy. First of all, welcome to the show. Well, thanks so much for having me. So

1:11:50

let's talk about First of all, let's kind of start with why are we

1:11:55

having this conversation. Why are we discussing a balanced budget amendment at all?

1:12:01

We're talking about the balance budget Amendment because Congress is spending and debt binge over

1:12:06

the last couple of years is what has given us high inflation rates, the

1:12:12

highest inflation in forty one years, a very rapid increase in interest rates as

1:12:17

the Federal Reserve tries to combat that inflation. And we're starting to see that

1:12:23

economic growth and opportunity for people is being undermined by the debt burden we're facing.

1:12:29

In addition to that, we're getting ever closer to a debt crisis.

1:12:32

We don't know exactly when it could come. I worry it could come any

1:12:35

time, but we probably have at the most ten to fifteen years before we

1:12:41

get into a crisis, and so people are looking for ways to get the

1:12:45

debt and the spending under control while we still have time and it's not so

1:12:48

painful like it would be under a crisis situation. Well, I want you

1:12:51

to expand on that just for a second, because I think people hear the

1:12:54

words debt crisis or you know, or service our debt and they kind of

1:12:59

have this you know, nebulous like, oh, that sounds bad, But

1:13:02

what does that look like in reality? What are we really talking about if

1:13:05

we hit a debt crisis situation? In reality, it's something we're not going

1:13:12

to see coming. Things will be going along more or less okay like they

1:13:15

are right now, and then something will spook the bond markets, the people

1:13:18

that are buying a federal debt, and then at that point they'll start demanding

1:13:23

higher interest rates on the federal debt in order to buy it, and things

1:13:28

will probably unravel pretty quickly. At that point. It'll be a self fulfilling

1:13:31

negative spiral, a debt interest spiral. What we would expect to see.

1:13:36

Because the United States government is far too big for anyone to bail out,

1:13:41

we would have to pretty quickly gut our defense, our diplomacy. We would

1:13:45

have to massively hike taxes, not just on the ridge, take taxes on

1:13:49

everyone. We would probably have a value added tax, heroal taxes would go

1:13:54

up to make sure that most Social Security and Medicare payments could still be made.

1:13:58

And because the huge economic hit and the contraction, probably we're looking at

1:14:02

broad based income taxes or sear taxes or even a national sales tax to try

1:14:09

for Congress to desperately try to make it up. And that's what we're trying

1:14:13

to avoid. And people need to understand this would be unprecedented in the United

1:14:16

States of America, not unprecedented worldwide. But there's also the threat of hyperinflation

1:14:21

and other negatives that come along with the kind of debt that we have right

1:14:25

now. So let's talk about the reality of getting a balanced budget amendment.

1:14:29

What does that look like in your world? The Constitution is pretty clear about

1:14:35

how a constitutional amendment can be adopted. The way that they've always happened before

1:14:40

is that Congress proposes them. That takes two thirds of their house two thirds

1:14:44

of the Senate to propose an amendment, usually to state legislatures, and then

1:14:47

three fourths of state legislatures approve that language, and that's when it becomes ratified

1:14:53

and part of the Constitution. One time Congress sent an amendment to state convention

1:15:00

for ratification, and that was the repeal of prohibition, because they didn't think

1:15:03

state legislators would actually do it. We haven't seen the Convention of States forout.

1:15:08

That's see other parents for proposing amendments to the Constitution. That starts when

1:15:13

two thirds of state legislatures have applied to Congress to convene a convention, and

1:15:18

then Congress calls the convention, sets the time and place, and the delegates

1:15:23

from the different states come together, probably one vote for state, and if

1:15:28

a majority of states vote to approve one or more amendments, then those would

1:15:32

go out. I think through the method that Congress would specify, although that's

1:15:38

disputed, but probably for the state legislatures to consider as well. So as

1:15:44

a heavy lift, it does require pretty broad bypartisan consensus in order to complete

1:15:48

that process. We haven't had an amendments successfully proposed by Congress in about fifty

1:15:53

years now, but maybe it's fun. Well, let's talk about what you

1:15:58

see are the falls that could loom in a balance budget in it because you

1:16:02

go through them beautifully in this paper. I mean the kind of negative talking

1:16:06

points that might happen, the concerns that those in government might have. What

1:16:11

are some of the limitations that a balanced budget would create potentially? Well,

1:16:18

thank you for the praise on the paper. This all came from back in

1:16:23

twenty ten during the Tea party wave. If I had just finished grad school

1:16:26

in economics, and I was like, I'm gonna look at all the different

1:16:29

balanced budget amendments to see which one's the best one. And then I was

1:16:32

working at a think take at the time, and we can support that one

1:16:34

maybe, And I went and I read hear them, and I was like,

1:16:39

oh my gosh, they have all kinds of problems and that's why they

1:16:42

can't pass. That's why the votes didn't go so well in twenty eleven,

1:16:45

nineteen ninety five or before that as well. The biggest problem is annual balance.

1:16:50

It's such a simple concept to that people think that it's the way that

1:16:54

it must be, but it doesn't actually work. And the reason it doesn't

1:16:57

is because revenue is incredibly volatile. It jumps around from year to year by

1:17:01

double digits sometimes, you know, eighteen nineteen twenty percent from year to year.

1:17:06

You can't try to have program stability and predictability off of that. That's

1:17:11

crazy. And so a lot of the proposals will propose that they balance the

1:17:15

budget every year, and then they also have a whole bunch of other things,

1:17:18

like putting the president's budget in the constitution. There's already too much power

1:17:23

that the executive ranche has claimed that it's properly Congresses, and to codify the

1:17:28

president's budget request, which is currently statutory right, would give the executive ranche

1:17:32

so many more grounds for you surfing more of Congress's power, And the list

1:17:36

goes on. Doing what to keep going on? Well, I want to

1:17:39

kind of get to the point where what has to happen. And I think

1:17:43

part of the problem is that when to your point the zero balance, like

1:17:46

you take in x amount of taxes, you spend the same amount of you

1:17:49

know, that's the same as your outlay. That's when that's easy to understand.

1:17:54

It's simple. It would be easy to get people to vote for that.

1:17:57

But if it doesn't work. If it's too wieldy to actually work in

1:18:01

function. How can we make a simple to understand balance budget amendment. This

1:18:06

solves that problem absolutely. And there's two versions that I think could actually pass

1:18:14

Congress under the right circumstances. One of the Principles based Balance Budget Amendment back

1:18:18

in one hundred and twelve Congress, so this is twenty eleven and twenty twelve.

1:18:21

Actually four Coloradans co sponsor then for a Gardner, doug Lanbourne, Scott

1:18:27

tipped in and Jared Polus if you can believe it. Yeah, And then

1:18:30

that was a little complicated. That takes explanation. I actually had like a

1:18:33

twenty five page slide deck that I would walk people through all the different features.

1:18:39

But the other one is the Principal's based Balance Budget Amendment. It's much

1:18:43

simpler. It's only one hundred worths long. And that one was introduced by

1:18:46

the number that I were after the first one, and that was also where

1:18:51

partisan. The idea is basically, the budget needs to be balanced, but

1:18:56

that can happen over more than one year, therefore making rooms for Congress to

1:19:00

do implementing legislation that fills up all the details and that's a good thing first

1:19:04

in terms of getting the amendment passed, because if there are broad principles when

1:19:10

we can agree on, then it gives members who are maybe a little reluctant,

1:19:13

fewer reasons, like tangible reasons to latch on and say I can't vote

1:19:16

for this. But then also, the country's needs change over time. The

1:19:21

needs that we had in seventeen ninety are vastly different from what they are today.

1:19:28

And when you're thinking about constitutional language, you should assume that it will

1:19:30

last forever, right, not just for the next ten or twenty years whatever.

1:19:35

So what are some of those principles in the principles based Balanced Budget Amendment?

1:19:43

Yeah. The first one is that spending or expenditures of the term and

1:19:45

revenues sell balance, which can happen over more than one year. It says

1:19:50

expenditures because that's the constitutional word, not outlays like most versions, because outlays

1:19:56

are not actually controlled directly by Congress. Congress controls budget authority, and then

1:20:00

whenever the agencies spend the money, that's when it becomes outlets. So that's

1:20:04

principal number one. Principal number two is that Congress can do emergency spending.

1:20:11

You have to have that safety. It takes two thirds of Congress to approve

1:20:15

that emergency spending. You don't want to go above the veto threshold or things

1:20:17

get weird. And then the third principle is that Congress has ten years to

1:20:24

get from ratification whatever the deficit is then to balance, and that balance,

1:20:30

because of some ambiguity in the term payment for debt, it would be full

1:20:33

balance or what's called primary balance, which doesn't count in that interest. Now

1:20:39

that's not enough anymore, but politically that's probably a necessary way station on the

1:20:45

way to something like full balance. So you said that's not enough anymore.

1:20:48

Is that just because our debt is so large and the service on that debt

1:20:51

is so big. Now that's right. The debt burden, the debt hip

1:20:58

by the public is right about as big does our economy. The interest rate

1:21:01

right now is four and a half percent, and so that means that even

1:21:05

if you didn't, even if you balance to the non interest part of the

1:21:11

budget, then it was stabilized it for about a decade or so, and

1:21:14

then the trends would start going up again. So it doesn't solve the problem

1:21:17

for the long term, but it gives you the breathing room to start going

1:21:21

beyond that. Once you get to that point, Kurt, let's just say

1:21:25

fantasy land. We're in fantasy land right now, and we pass that principle

1:21:29

based balance budget, do you foresee that bringing At what point do we move

1:21:34

from deaficis spending and then really start making a real difference in our current debt

1:21:43

Because we're just talking about stopping the bleeding, right we're not even talking about

1:21:47

paying down the debt, which you know, it's so big now that we

1:21:51

can't just expect growth to handle that. At some point we have to be

1:21:57

more aggressive about that, don't you think? Oh? Absolutely? And you

1:22:02

know the Balanced Budget Amendment one of the most important things about it is that

1:22:06

it sets up a narrative because Congress needs to improve its incentive the way that

1:22:12

it budgets like right now, they're actually a lot like Colorado in that the

1:22:17

appropriations bills only cover a portion of spending and another revenue, so they're not

1:22:21

really managing the full budget. That's one of the statutory compliments that we need

1:22:27

to get Congress to budget effectively. And there are others, but that's the

1:22:30

most important one. If we're having a national conversation. There involves two thirds

1:22:35

of at least two thirds of both Houses of Congress voting for a constitutional amendment.

1:22:40

Pretty big deal. And then we have all of the states considering this

1:22:45

proposal. Then that is a national dialogue that expands the opportunity for Congress to

1:22:50

get serious about fixing their budget system, and especially if they think that they're

1:22:55

going to have to balance the budget in some way, shape or form within

1:22:58

the next decade or so. So it really just opens the aperture to figuring

1:23:01

out how to fix Congress in a more holistic way. It's not the BBA

1:23:04

itself entirely, but it's more of a broader flotilla of reforms to get things

1:23:12

back on track. I like your Moxie Kirk Couchman from Americans from Prosperity.

1:23:15

I wish that we could get Congress to listen to you, because I think

1:23:19

you make a lot of sense. But as I said, you know,

1:23:21

I told Kurt off the air, the first time I talked to the Convention

1:23:25

of States people was like two thousand and seven, and I thought they were

1:23:28

kind of crazy. I squared, I mean, and now I think they

1:23:31

may be the only hope for this. I think that we're going to have

1:23:34

to force this on Congress, and it would be nice to be able to

1:23:40

start educating people who might participate in that of what you've got here and what

1:23:45

the options are so we can make it, because if it's too complicated,

1:23:48

you're not going to be able to get it through the states. Right.

1:23:50

It has to be simple enough that people can wrap their heads around it and

1:23:55

understand it, even as they're going to be people demagoguing against it, which

1:23:59

is an there's going to be people that hate this and they're not going to

1:24:01

want it to pass, even though I don't. I don't know what else

1:24:04

we're going to do here, but you know, of course, yeah,

1:24:10

the the Article five Convention of States approach, you know, that's part of

1:24:15

the Constitution that's totally valid. I was skeptical that it could happen, but

1:24:19

there's been some recent research looking at some of the old applications from states and

1:24:26

then I thought, oh, well, they don't all have to do with

1:24:28

a balance budget amendment or fiscal responsibility. But the language of Article five doesn't

1:24:32

require that. It just says when two thirds of states state legislatures have petitioned

1:24:36

in Congress channel can mean a convention, and I don't know what's going to

1:24:41

come of it, but I've heard rumblings that there could be litigation for a

1:24:45

declaratory judgment to force Congress to call a convention under the assertion that that threshold

1:24:50

was met in nineteen seventy nine. Now I'm not claiming that other people are

1:24:55

claiming that, but that's something we're going to be watching very carefully, because

1:24:59

you're right, if if this is happening, we've we've got to be there sharing thoughts and then that'll be able to the people participat into the side how

1:25:05

they want to move forward exactly. Kurt Cauchman, I appreciate your time today.

1:25:10

It's a great paper if you guys want to have just a better understanding.

1:25:14

The paper's not written in like economic ease and you know, a flowery

1:25:20

language that you're not going to be able to easily understand. And I linked

1:25:23

to it on the blog today. Kurt, thanks so much for making time

1:25:26

for us today. Thanks for having me on. All right, that's Kurt

1:25:30

Couchman from Americans from Prosperity. The paper's not very long, it's like eight

1:25:33

or nine pages and it's worth looking at, because we can't just pass something

1:25:41

to the for the sake of passing something that then becomes something that is so

1:25:45

unwieldy that Congress will just ignore it, right. I mean, I'd love

1:25:49

to tell you that our elected officials abide by the Constitution. But our president,

1:25:57

it was told by the Supreme Court that he didn't have the authority to

1:26:00

cancel student debt, keeps doing it anyway. So we've got to make it

1:26:05

so they have to follow along, and that it could work for the federal

1:26:10

budget and for the federal deficit. But we got to do it sooner rather

1:26:13

than later, or we are just screwed, and I mean screwed royally.

1:26:17

Anyway. Ben has joined us in the studio because it's time for his daily

1:26:23

beating. I'm just kidding. I just like that psychological warfare, but every

1:26:27

time it's Okay. I drank my afternoon coffee today, so I'm going to

1:26:30

try to be fast. You know what, I have wanted coffee since I

1:26:34

got here this morning and there was not one single thing in there of coffee,

1:26:39

and I was so mad. I'm bringing my own coffee starting tomorrow.

1:26:43

The sales side has really been doing good things for me. Yeah, they

1:26:46

make some great coffee over there. Where's the coffee? Yeh, in front

1:26:50

of the glass store offices? Shut up, yeah, go check it out.

1:26:55

How come the talent doesn't know where the coffee is? Okay, thank

1:27:00

you, Yes, you're right. And now it's time for the most exciting

1:27:03

segment on the radio of It's God of the day. All right, it's

1:27:09

a Friday edition Above the day. What is our dad joke of the day

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I saw that coming a mile away, like I was looking through a skeleton.

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feel like this is a little bit of gallamofrey, just a little bit of

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galamofrey. Squatulate. To absquatulate is to squat down and then be unable to

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stand back up. I absquatulated while I was pregnant. Noah, dang it.

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My guess would be to make obscure somehow. Oh, that's actually not

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a bad guest word for to flee orond what absquatulate? Absquatulate? You know

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that you have to put that in a newscast now right, sure, the

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next chase that you have and and the perpetrator absquatulated from the scene. I

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dare you, I triple dirty dog, dare you to put that in?

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All right, you're coming on to a good bit of getting him this week.

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And really fancy the weather man is Houston that puts in the lyrics of

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songs. Yes, oh my god, it is hilarious in the country he

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does well, Oh my gosh, it is so freaking funny. I want

1:28:44

that guy to be my weather man, although we love Dave Frasier anyway. What is the mathematical term for football's shape? Isn't it a spear? No,

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it's not, well, kind of, it's ish swear ish. No.

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I've never seen these works before in my life, so you won't have to hate yourself. It is a prolate spheroid speroid. This shape reduces drag

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and allows the football to spin when thrown properly, which stabilizes the ball's flight.

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sphere adjacent. Take no, Tom Brady, you know what I'm gonna

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squatulate away from that that answer. Okay, here, what's our Jeopardy category?

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Then you can't let us down? Millennial? Wait a minute, why

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why is it? Ben? You can't let us down? Why not?

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Mandy? Good luck? Because the category is don't tread on meme? Okay,

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okay, for the utes, know your meme? Dot com says this

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muppet Mandy, who is Kermit no? Is the origin of the all of

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the ties back together. I didn't even see that first. A twenty sixteen

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interview with this Batman actor found him looking sad the internet? What is Kee

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The Internet then made him the meme we deserve. Who was Ben Affleck?

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don't really care to you? It was Melania Trump. I'm back to minus

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about this actor who was Walker Texas Ranger. He counted Norris correct a game,

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Yeah, streak, That's okay. It's a Friday. I have all

1:30:43

weekend to recover from it. But Hayday, Happy Friday to you as well.

1:30:47

On Monday's show, Debora Flora is going to join us, and she

1:30:51

just got an endorsement from the Denver Gazette, so we're going to talk about

1:30:56

that. She is also not and maybe I shouldnt announ this, but I

1:31:00

asked her if she was going to fill out the Republican questionnaire that I even

1:31:03

I didn't even explain the Republican questionnaire that was sent to all these candidates,

1:31:08

and how absolutely inappropriate everything about this is. Well, we're going to talk

1:31:13

to her on Monday, and also we've got Michelle's owner in for her monthly

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visit, and uh, that's it. So tune in on Monday. It's

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going to be a great day, have a great weekend, and it's gonna

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be blair on one day, but the other day is going to be good.

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But Wendy, I think, do we have blair? And then we

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I think we have a blair? I think we have like looking we have

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time? Do we have a blat or I looked this morning. I can't

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remember. I mean maybe like Thursday, Friday. It's Friday. It's Friday

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right now? No, no, no, no, I mean next Thursday,

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Friday. Oh no, when you're supposed to leave it be fine. Doesn't say rain, it'll be fine. Lower temperatures, you'll be fine.

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It's not. It's gonna be fine. You can fly through that, no problem. Tuesdays in advance, I should be okay. You're gonna be a

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okay, You're gonna be perfectly fine. Nothing is going to keep you off

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of your cruise now. I wanted to do some cruise talk today, but

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we got distracted by other stuff. So we'll get that in next week. In the meantime, though, I'm turning the station over to KOA Sports.

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